Wedge Scouting Report: Harold Landry, Boston College

 

It’s not all fun and games  all the time destroying lifeforms across the universe.  Sometimes, the photon bomb you unleash doesn’t do the job – and there are still useless lifeforms left on the planet.

Well that’s when you bust out the planet grinder for the finishing touches

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It’s like a great pass rusher finishing off an offense – Harold Landry can finish off an offense.

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The Positives:  Let’s start with Landry’s very impressive 2016 season, 16.5 sacks, 22 tackles for a loss and one interception.  Landry wreaked havoc in the ACC in 2016.  Some scouts will argue that Landry is the 2nd best pass rusher in the 2018 draft after Chubb.

 Landry kills offensive tackles with an explosive first step.  His initial burst rivals some of the NFL’s best pass rushers.  He gets around the tackle, turns his hips at the QB and closes quickly.  He’s got a non-stop motor and makes a lot of effort plays as well.

He’s also very good against the run – making him one of the nation’s most disruptive defenders.

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The Negatives:  Size.   Landry projects as a 4-3 DE in the NFL, but for his size.  At Boston College, Landry played with his hand in the ground most of the time, but it seems like a lot of scouts are calling him an OLB giving Landry the tweener moniker.

Landry actually did drop in coverage at Boston College so he can play OLB in a 3-4 defense but in a 4-3, where he might be more comfortable, to play DE, he might have to put on a little weight without sacrificing his speed.

Landry only played in 8 games last year and was nowhere as productive as he was in 2016 (only 5 sacks).

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The Alien Dust:   Pass rushers are like jello – there is always room for them.  This athletic pass rusher reminds me a lot of Cameron Wake.  And that might be who he replaces if the Dolphins draft him.

In my opinion, if the Dolphins want to focus on defense for a second year in a row, a pick like Landry in the first round makes a lot of sense.  The Dolphins would have their young bookend pass rushers in place for the next few years with a move like that.

If you can’t build your OL in the draft, maybe you can draft guys who destroy other OLs.

NCAA Football: Central Michigan at Boston College

Whether his team is down by 20 or up by 20 he is playing hard.  This guy is a finisher.  That is why Landry is like the Planet Grinder.

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640 Responses to Wedge Scouting Report: Harold Landry, Boston College

  1. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    We going to a 3-4 defense?

  2. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Watchin the FAT guys run!

  3. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    I don’t know if he’ll pan out in the NFL?
    But he’s definitely go HEART!

    • son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

      He fuckin did 20 man

      More than Jonelle Martin
      More than Orlando Brown
      More than you can believe
      Not enough for himself, that’s why you draft him.

  4. rich0322's avatar rich0322 says:

    You can’t measure heart. At the very least you have a ST ace in Griffin.

  5. BailBondMike's avatar BailBondMike says:

    Naples, Glad you brought up ND TE Durham Smythe yesterday. I had mentioned him a few months ago. With him, you get a brand new Fasano. He actually has really good hands as well. Ran a 4.81 which is a little slower than Fasano but you get a smart blocking TE with great size.

    • rich0322's avatar rich0322 says:

      I agree, I think his hands get over looked because he was more of a blocker in ND’s offense.

      Also, I think Fasano is a pretty good comparison.

  6. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    So you want to get rid of one Landry and bring another in? Is that it? lol

  7. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    Pig — great info on Harold Landry (you guys are my draft education). Guessing the Quinn signing rained on our changes of taking him but am curious why this guy wears #7 (and #8 in couple of the pics). Is he a former QB?

  8. BailBondMike's avatar BailBondMike says:

    Was surprised at a few of the TE’s 40 times. Thought Ian Thomas was projected to be the fastest followed by Gesicki (in the 4.6’s). Gesicki really surprised me going sub 4.6 and was really happy to see Hurst go sub 4.7. Until I see some pro-day #’s my fav TE’s are:

    Hurst
    Gesicki
    Goedert
    Andrews (Blocking ability?)

  9. BailBondMike's avatar BailBondMike says:

    ND TE Durham Smythe vs LSU last year. He’s #80. On 1 or 2 plays they highlight #82 by mistake. I really like the way he holds his blocks until the play is over.

  10. sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

    Nobody from Notre Dame
    Nobody from Penn State
    Nobody from Alabama

  11. rich0322's avatar rich0322 says:

    Speaking of Alabama, Da’Ron Payne looks good today. …quick feet.

  12. rich0322's avatar rich0322 says:

    B.J. Hill is killing it too.

  13. rich0322's avatar rich0322 says:

    It’s a pretty good group of DTs overall.

  14. rich0322's avatar rich0322 says:

    Chubb 4.66, Davenport 4.61 …both impressive.

  15. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Good I hope they both go top 10!!!!!!!!

  16. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    Make me a member of the Shaq Griffin fan club……we do worse on a day 3 pick.
    —————————-
    There are few ways to quantify the awesomeness of former UCF linebacker Shaq Griffin. The reigning AAC Defensive Player of the Year has exceeded every expectation on the field. Now the 22-year-old amputee has blown away NFL scouts off the field, too.

    While going through drills at the NFL Combine, Griffin rattled off 20 reps of 225 pounds on the bench press with just one hand. Griffin was allowed to use a prosthetic attached to the bar in order to grip it, but that was just to help with balance.

  17. rich0322's avatar rich0322 says:

    Official- Chubb 4.65, Davenport 4.58

  18. Bucky Brooks comp for Mayfield is Keenum and says he’s not the type of an who will transform a franchise but can be a starter on a complete team

  19. rich0322's avatar rich0322 says:

    We know why these guys play defense. …watching them try and catch the ball is painful. Lol.

  20. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Who will be fast @ LB’r

  21. rich0322's avatar rich0322 says:

    Holy Shit!!!! …Griffin!!!!

  22. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    4.3MF8!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  23. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

  24. rich0322's avatar rich0322 says:

    Roquan Smith 4.52

  25. son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

    Griffin is blowing this bitch up

  26. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Disappointing!
    LEONARD, DARIUS
    South Carolina St.
    LB 4.70 u

  27. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    This is impressive!

  28. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Griffin is 6’1 227. Pretty darn light if you axe me. Doesn’t sound like a starter to me, more of a ST’s and backup guy. Any idea what RD he’ll go?

  29. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Man LB’s hammy’s are dropping like fly’s out there!

  30. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    The Griffin story is awesome.

    Most feel H. Landry is best suited as a 3-4 OLB at the next level.

  31. Watching the Combine I have to say there’s no guy, to me, that changed what I thought of them beforehand.

  32. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    H. Landry looks really smooth and fluid so a transition to 3-4 OLB should be easy for him. Sometimes DEs are a little too stiff to make the transition.

  33. BailBondMike's avatar BailBondMike says:

    Wyoming, that is impressive (surprised me) for Lorenzo Carter at 6’5″. I posted to TIm yesterday about him being a freak athlete and 5 star recruit but those abilities didn’t start showing until the last season. I read somewhere that he is stiff in coverage but with his height and wingspan he could probably get away with that. Also, most of the tape I watched showed him playing DE when they are in a 4-3 set. Perfect example was his tape against Alabama where he played DE almost the whole game. It could be due to UGA having a lot of good LB’s, I don’t know. He sure is a freak athlete.

  34. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 11: Nelson, Quenton, OG, Notre Dame (A+)
    Round 2 Pick 10: Andrews, Mark, TE, Oklahoma (A)
    Round 3 Pick 9: Guice, Derrius, RB, LSU (A+)
    Round 4 Pick 11: Warner, Fred, OLB, Brigham Young (A)
    Round 4 Pick 30: Bates III, Jessie, FS, Wake Forest (A)
    Round 6 Pick 9: Benkert, Kurt, QB, Virginia (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 5: Bozeman, Bradley, C, Alabama (A)
    Round 7 Pick 11: Scott, Jaleel, WR, New Mexico State (A+)

  35. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    What’s crazy about DT Harrison Phillips flipping up 42 reps is that the dude has arms like an OT, 34″. That’s damn impressive!

  36. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    11: R1P11
    LB TREMAINE EDMUNDS
    VIRGINIA TECH
    42: R2P10
    TE DALLAS GOEDERT
    SOUTH DAKOTA STATE
    73: R3P9
    C FRANK RAGNOW
    ARKANSAS
    130: R4P30
    RB ROYCE FREEMAN
    OREGON
    198: R6P24
    C SCOTT QUESSENBERRY
    UCLA
    223: R7P5
    QB TANNER LEE
    NEBRASKA
    229: R7P11
    TE MARCUS BAUGH
    OHIO STATE

    • naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

      Excellent draft.
      I see you have only 1 pick in the 4th.
      We all need to change to that, although it might come back in a Landry deal.
      I really think we should get more than that though. unless we just swap places within a round to a better pick.

  37. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    11: R1P11
    G QUENTON NELSON
    NOTRE DAME
    42: R2P10
    RB NICK CHUBB
    GEORGIA
    73: R3P9
    TE MIKE GESICKI
    PENN STATE
    130: R4P30
    QB MIKE WHITE
    WESTERN KENTUCKY
    198: R6P24
    C BRADLEY BOZEMAN
    ALABAMA
    223: R7P5
    LB MIKE MCCRAY
    MICHIGAN
    229: R7P11
    TE MARCUS BAUGH
    OHIO STATE

  38. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Other than Nelson, I don’t really have a favorite prospect for us at #11. I don’t think we’ll land Nelson at #11 so I’m more excited about who we do end up taking.

    Gut feeling, not your favorite who do you think we select?

  39. BailBondMike's avatar BailBondMike says:

    Wyoming, I like one of your picks I think on your previous mock. OG Tony Adams of NCState. They have some good OL. One never gave up a sack his whole college career and the other only gave up 1. Adams is one of the two. He could be a late round steal, IMO. Not sure if any of the NCState OL were at the combine.

  40. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    The good thing for us is this is a good draft for interior OL and pass catching TEs. We need one of each by the 3rd rd. I don’t think the best ones are going to fall past that.

  41. ElephantRider's avatar ElephantRider says:

    My gut says Phins won’t be picking @11…
    Don’t know up or down, but Tradebaum gonna move.

  42. ElephantRider's avatar ElephantRider says:

    Yep.

  43. Post Combine mocks are going to be interesting. Edmunds pretty much solidified himself as a top 10 pick so he’s not going to be there at #11.

    If anything, based on the cap situation as it stands we may be looking for a DT in the 1st and our pick may end up being Payne.

  44. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Lou – Just 2 QB’s? Allen and Rosen?

  45. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    I hear ya Lou, none of us know, but like you said you’d be shocked if more than 2 go before #11, I’d be shocked if at least 3, maybe even 4 don’t go before #11. QB desperate teams don’t want to be seen as foolish waiting for the 2nd tier QB’s, like Mason Rudolph, Mike White, Lamar Jackson and Luke Faulk.

  46. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Eagles are going to release Vinny Curry – I’d bet they asked if Dolphins were interested before cutting him

  47. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Maybe the Dolphins take Vea at #11, and trade Suh. That would make Lou happy.

  48. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    I kind of think these are our top options
    Nelson
    Edmunds
    Smith
    Mayfield

    In that order

    And there is a good chance all 4 are gone by 11

  49. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    I wouldn’t mind if we drafted OL Connor Williams at #11. He could be moved to G and also give us an option at T. He’s been listed in the top 15 in various mocks so he’s not a reach and it’s a need position.

    • naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

      Or Will Hernandez or Isaiah Wynn, whichever the FO likes better.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Yeah true. The talent level does seem to be muddled after 8 or 9 prospects counting some QBs. Take the BPA on your board regardless of what the vertical mocks suggest. They’re all over the place anyway proving that it’s muddled.

  50. naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

    LOL
    ProfLou Post-Combine Mock 1.0:
    1. CLE-Barkley
    2. NYG-Rosen
    3. IND-Chubb
    4. CLE-Darnold
    5. DEN-Allen
    6. NYJ- Mayfield
    7. TB-Nelson
    8. CHI-Fitzpatrick
    9. SF- Edmunds
    10. OAK- Smith
    11. MIA- Sloppy Seconds

    This is why we need to trade Landry to da bears. So we can get Edmunds or Smith.
    But both Oaktown and the 9ers could use Landry and just moving in front of Oak might be enough to get Smith.

    Or trade down with a team that needs a WR or OT and get their 3rd.

  51. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Here’s my top 10 with not exact QB prospects from the top 4 and how we can land Nelson. 🙂
    1. CLE – QB?
    2. NYG – Barkley (Giants get back to northeast football with a northeast back)
    3. IND – Chubb
    4. CLE – Fitzpatrick
    5. DEN – QB?
    6. NYJ – QB?
    7. TB – Ward
    8. CHI – Ridley
    9. SF – Edmunds
    10. OAK – Smith
    11. MIA – Nelson

  52. Stay tuned. Latest is Tannehill could be on the move.

  53. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

  54. naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

    If it goes as Lou above says, @ R1P11
    I’d like to reinsert Rashaan Evans the Alabama LB at 6’3 234.
    NFL.com says
    “Build like new breed of NFL linebackers. Possesses good length and great speed. Premium athlete with plus agility, range and explosiveness.” and a ton more good stuff.

    • naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

      Or be bold and take Leighton vander Esch @ 6’4 256 … he was Mountain West DPOY and MVP of his league championship game AND MVP of his bowl game.
      He’s tall enough, fast enough, heavy enough, smart enough, and tough enough to cover TEs. He ran a 4.65 40 and jumped 39.5.
      NFL.com says:
      “Big, long and athletic. Has history of achievement with dominant performances and state titles in two sports in high school. Former basketball standout with fluid hips and smooth movement around the field. Very talented in coverage.”

  55. naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

    Saquon is the best player in the draft this year.

  56. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    If the buzz is true that CLE likes Mayfield, they will likely be able to get him at #4 taking Barkley #1.

    • If CLE is still CLE they would take Mayfield but if they’re no longer CLE they would never take him over Darnold.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Mayfield showed he has pop in his arm. Can he be a Drew Brees type who is not fast or a runner, but they are mobile within the pocket to improv and buy more time? I think Mayfield is on the rise more than dropping. I could see him going early top 10 or mid teens depending on what teams are doing. There is no definitive top 10.

      • When I watched Mayfield’s tape the comp I settled on was Keenum and Buck Brooks kind of confirmed it for me when he said the same thing during the Combine.

        I’m sorry. Case Keenum may have had a good run with the Vikes this year but you don’t take him at the top half of the first rd. You just don’t.

    • naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

      If Cleveland is smart, they take Saquon 1st and Darnold 4th (or Rosen or Allen).

  57. The team is in the hole $10M with their cap. Just traded for a DE that put them there. Moves need to be made. Maybe we’re not making all the moves I outlined in my blog but I gotta believe we’re going to be losing one to two of the following: Tannehill, Wake, Suh.

    James could be re-signed at a lower cap hit. It’s possible Pouncey becomes a cap casualty instead of someone else but something is going to happen before the end of this week with these guys and I doubt we’re talking restructuring.

    This team is going to be making some moves.

    • naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

      I think they start by cutting either Timmons or Thomas or both as their first move. (I hope they start by cutting Thomas.) I also think Landry is gone, so that Tag cap hit is off the board as soon as they can get a trade done.

    • sorry, we’re actually $18M in the hole right now.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Landry being traded, Timmons, Thomas and some others being released will clear up some cap. We won’t have a ton of cap space, but maybe about $20M to make some FA moves and then draft.

      To me getting some guys back healthy and the coaches focusing on fundamentals and chemistry is as important as any players we add. We were a very undisciplined and unorganized looking team too often last year. There were reasons for that, but it spread throughout the entire team. Gase has to clean that shit up.

  58. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    Something keeps telling me that we’re going to target a CB early. And remember, we brought Vontae in for a visit a week ago.

    I wouldn’t sleep on Tarvarus McFadden, FSU…

    • I think they’re going to gut some of what we’ve got and start somewhat from scratch and just run with it. If they truly want to have as close to a complete team as possible before the draft the best thing to do is make some trades for some key additions, clear up some cap for some others in free agency and then fill it in with the draft.

    • naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

      I love McFadden and i think he might rise some, but I think we can get him in the 3rd. We pick 9th in that round .

  59. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Mayfield has a better arm from what I’ve seen than Keenum.

    Keenum reminds me of Pennington light. Smart, competitive and makes good decisions but the physical ability is vulnerable.

    Not sure what Mayfield will be but he is intriguing.

    • I’m just saying that when I watched the coverage and heard Brooks say what I was thinking I was kind of blown away. I thought everyone out there thought Mayfield was a bona fide, top rated prospect who would be the franchise guy for years to come but he gave his comp and went on to say that he doesn’t see him as the guy who transforms a franchise but needs to have a team around him and then he’ll do okay.

      He doesn’t see him being one of those upper echelon qb’s who can put a team on his back.

  60. naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

    I still think OG and TE are desperate needs and RB is not far behind. If we took the BPA at those three positions in the 1st 3 rounds, we significantly improve.

    Waiting till 4th round for a RB is a possibility in this year’s draft, but to get a starting OG we must pick one in the 1st or 2nd and to get a receiving TE with starter ability, we must get him in the 2nd or 3rd..

  61. After acquiring Quinn I really think Wake is going to be traded. Can’t see them hanging on to him with his cap hit at his age despite what he did sack wise last season. I think they probably feel they can still get some good value for him if they do it now and it helps them out. It’s like trading in a vehicle before the mileage gets too high so you can still get some good trade in value on it.

    Beyond that, I really do NOT see Tannehill being here this season. I think we’re going to at least try and trade him and sign someone who will be a cheaper option. Face it. If we had the chance to sign someone like Bridgewater, who is younger, even coming off his own knee injury why wouldn’t we do it? Tannehill isn’t going to give us anything better than what Bridgewater would and Teddy is going to be a lot cheaper option for us.

    He already said he’d be more than happy to sign a one or two year prove it deal with someone just to get the opportunity to play somewhere and show what he could do.

    I’m not saying he’s the guy we would go after, I’m just saying that it doesn’t make sense to keep him around if we could trade him for something and sign a qb who’s going to be cheaper because we’re not going anywhere with him anyway.

    And then I can see them making the big move into the top 5 to get their guy. The NFL is about winning now and instant satisfaction. It’s not about “trusting the process” and trying to build a team like I advocate for. So, when the team is doing what it’s done under it’s new head coach and you can throw all the injury stuff out the window, the team isn’t going to just sit there without doing something to make itself competitive as quickly as possible.

    So, IMO, get ready for the ride because it’s going to be interesting.

  62. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    It’s funny, Tannehill is being treated as if he fell of the flat earth and knowledge of how his knee injury went down is a mystery. People are speaking about him as if he was part of this last season. Let’s all rein it back in a little bit. Add a QB to RT, not release or trade him and start from zero with wishful thinking that you can find a #1 and #2. That’s not what Ross hired this trio for. It’s not how the team is being built.

    This team is going to try and compete for the playoffs and beyond in 2018. You don’t trade for Quinn blowing anything up. Watch what’s happening with the team and react to it, instead of fantasy scenarios. Makes no sense.

    • Tim
      You can blow things up and get better in the process. If they can add some key players by trading some of the guys we’ve got and in free agency by freeing up cap space then blowing things up isn’t throwing in the towel.

      Take my scenario, for instance, if you were to trade Tannehill and get his cap saving and turn around and sign Bridgewater you’re no worse at the qb position than you were before and you’ve saved a lot of money that can be used to sign at least one key addition elsewhere.

      If you do thinks smart you aren’t really blowing things up. Maybe Wake can be traded for someone who can help somewhere else now that Quinn is on the team. Again, adding a player at another position who can help and maybe even some cap savings to be used elsewhere.

      So, I don’t see it as blowing it up.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        You’ve said blow it up many times in your scenarios. I think trading Wake would be not only wrong because he can still play, but also a PR problem. Every addition does not mean subtraction. This team believes in a strong DL and depth for a rotation. Look at what we’ve done since 2015. With the exception of Wake and Fede, every other DL has been acquired since 2015.

        Gase has wanted to cut down on Wake’s snaps since he got here and use him as a pass rush specialist. Except his offense has not lived up to their part of the deal. We usually keep 9-10 DL and use 8-10 on game day depending on opponent. I see Quinn as an addition/upgrade, not a replacement.

  63. naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

    Who in history is Mayfield like? Very hard to find a comparison. Is he most like Joe Namath?

    • Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

      Flutie? maybe?

      • yeah, Flutie would be a better comparison than Namath. Namath was a much better qb with a much stronger arm.

      • naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

        Flutie is a good call, but Namath was not so much good as he was loud. Even in his finest moment, despite predicting the famous 16-7 upset victory, the point is, the score was 16-7.

        In the moment Joe Namath is most known for, it was the New York Jets defense that won the game. Namath threw for 202 yards and had a 83.3 QB rating. That’s it. He didn’t throw a touchdown.

        But beyond that, a look at his overall numbers dwarf his hype even further.

        Namath completed just 50.1 percent of his passes for his career. He had a 65.5 QB rating. He threw 220 interceptions to his 173 touchdowns. He had a record of 62-63. He led the league in interceptions four times, and touchdowns just once, with 19.

        cbleacherreport.com/articles/524778-the-50-most-overrated-qbs-in-nfl-history

  64. naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

    Lou I know what you are saying about Tannehill, but after Gase and the team players and the FO and the fans saw how hard it was for a new guy, even one with ties to Gase, to come in and learn the offense and the personnel, i just can’t see cutting Tannehill.

    We literally have no one else.

    Only way that works is if we then trade up to #1-4 and pick … whom? What QB is ready to take us to the playoffs as a rookie? We could take Mayfield at #11, but that is betting the entire season on a wildman. And if he sucks, we become Cleveland, drafting a QB every year in round 1.

    If we play Tannehill and improve the OL, TE, RB and LB in the first 4 rounds, that should be enough to get us into the playoffs. In the 6th we take a back-up QB or in the 4th if we must or if we get a good pick for Jarvis.

    Then we seek out the weak links and do that again next year, even if QB is one of those.

    • I didn’t say cut him. I said trade him to clear some cap to use to acquire at least one key addition, maybe on the o-line, and also get something for Tannehill.

      Plus, like I said, and I’m just throwing this out there but with a guy like Bridgewater available in free agency who would be cheaper and wouldn’t be a drop off in talent at the qb position why would you keep Tannehill around?

      You’re getting at least the same play from the qb position you got before if not a bit of an upgrade and at a much cheaper price. If you then use the cap savings to sign at least one addition to the offensive line that’s an upgrade you’ve gotten better.

      Plus, the qb issue this past season wasn’t about Cutler not being able to fill Tannehill’s shoes it was about Cutler not being here during any of the offseason workouts to have time to develop chemistry with anyone on offense. So, yes, he knew the system but he didn’t get that chemistry down until part way thru the season. And, if you look at what he did it was pretty close to what Tannehill put up in ’16.

  65. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

  66. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Marino has always been compared to Namath. Mayfield is nothing like either.

    Mayfield to me is in the Brees category. Flutie was a much more dangerous scrambler and runner than Mayfield will ever be. Mayfield isn’t 5-9 185 though either. LOL

  67. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Naples, knee injuries back in the 60’s were devastating to players. Namath was an elite talent who played much of his career getting pummeled and under the knife. He was an athletic and mobile QB with a big arm before all that happened. The stigma for him that he is overrated is because he became one of the biggest celebrity sports figures ever. His stats don’t add up in this era for many reasons. However he was the first QB in NFL history to throw for 4,000 yards.

  68. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    On second thought Mayfield’s game is nothing like Bree’s!

  69. naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

    So who is Mayfield like?
    He’s nothing like the surgical Brees, the heroic Wilson, or the scrambling demon Flutie.
    He is not a cannon arm like Favre.
    Mayfield is not a noodle arm, though.

    • Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

      Actually Mayfield scrambles a lot!

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        He won’t get away with it in the NFL. Brees learned that early. Scrambling to run is one thing, looking to find another passing lane is another. Brees learned his best choice was passing.

  70. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    I see that Lance Zierlein’s comparison for Baker Mayfield is Doug Flutie
    https://www.nfl.com/prospects/baker-mayfield?id=32462018-0002-5600-63bc-195cdc34bdb5

  71. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    As for me, I think Mayfield is more like Russell Wilson than anyone else.

  72. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

  73. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Brees wasn’t the player he has been for the last 10 years when he was drafted in 2001. Remember the Chargers decided to replace him in 2004 drafting Eli #1 and then the trade for Rivers #4? But he held onto the job for two more seasons before suffering a shoulder injury in his UFA year that bothered Saban too much to sign him in 2006 and the rest is history. LOL

    Not sure how Mayfield isn’t anything like Brees when they both play in a similar system and their stature and physical ability is similar. I’m not saying Mayfield will have Brees career, that’s elite stuff.

    I’m getting cut down here but Namath comparisons were made. LOL

  74. Randy's avatar Randy says:

    Namath was a very good QB who struggled with injuries and played hurt a lot. QBs in this day and age don’t get hit once their whole careers like Namath and others used to get hit constantly. He was a tough gamer who could pass and run….until his knees were trashed. It was just a different world back then.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Yep! He was one of the best college players of all time and many coaches said as much. He was great NFL QB as well but too banged up for a great longevity career. There is a 30/30 or something like that about him. Watch it. It tells the story of his career. When I was a kid the Namath #12 was everywhere. That wasn’t the case because he was not that good. LOL

  75. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Tim I say they don’t remind me of each other by their play on the field?

    Naples asked.
    I answered?

    It is JMHO 😉

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      My response was to Naples based on his comments. Not looking for a fight, just expressing what I thought were bad comparisons.

  76. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
    March 4, 2018 at 8:51 pm
    well, we see where it goes but if someone with the “sauces” is accurate it is what it means.
    ————
    If the news was that BIG and/or noteworthy, it would be breaking all over the place this evening. I’m left to assume that little Peter is just plugging a speculation piece for tomorrow morning by stirring the pot with “Uh-oh”.

  77. Randy's avatar Randy says:

    Maybe he meant “Uh-oh, Tannehill” because his nookie blanket Landry just got traded. 🤨

  78. Tim,
    put it this way. IF Tannehill is the starter this season I’ll be watching Eagles games on Sunday. I would rather watch a team with a real quarterback than watch a team that has a quarterback I can’t get excited about; whether I’m a fan or not.

  79. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    I would accept a trade with CHI swapping 1st round picks and a 5th for Landry. It all comes down to what team wants to pay him big money. The compensation is not going to be mind blowing.

  80. naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

    By comparing Mayfield to Namath i did not feel that i was downgrading Namath.
    Both are brash, outspoken, partiers, had great college careers.
    Both are known for getting the job done at a very high level.
    Both are more popular with teammates and their coaches than opposing team’s sportswriters and prudes in the public.

    I don’t think it’s a bad comparison and don’t know why it struck a nerve.
    It’s not like I compared him to Manziel.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      It’s not a big deal. Just thought it was off. Until Marino, Namath was known for the quickest release.

  81. naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

    “Mayfield is a feisty underdog, and his quick release is a thing of beauty, so I get the appeal. ”
    the Denver Post (sounds like Namath)
    “Mayfield is adept at making quick reads off the snap and getting the ball out of his hands. He has a quick release and is not afraid to fit the ball into a tight window. He may be a bit erratic at times…”
    The Viking Age (sounds like Namath)

  82. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

  83. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Wouldn’t you think there would be more interest in Jarvis by now? Is it more of a FA technicality?

    • https://twitter.com/BrownsScout/status/970443115566960642

      when you read the part at the bottom of this piece about Landry I think this may be the way a lot of teams feel about it. I’m sorry, but only Phins fans think he’s irreplaceable and that he’s a great wr. these same comments keep coming up over and over again about his ypc avg and that he’s not a game changer; from others in the league.

      so, if you’re a team looking for a slot wr are you giving up the money & the pick or are you going after Jordan Matthews, who’s a cheaper alternative and you won’t need to give up a pick to get him?

      • Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

        The comments section sounds just like this Blog!
        Half – Smokescreen
        Half – Ya let me get some napkins

  84. ElephantRider's avatar ElephantRider says:

    Have fun watching Philly Lou.

    GO PHINS

  85. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    ————
    So much for “Uh-oh, Tannehill”. More and mere speculation.

  86. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    From the article M just posted . . .
    • ​​Just Joshing. Cute, embarrassing moment for a nice kid and good prospect. Wyoming QB Josh Allen, excited to meet a Hall of Fame quarterback during his meeting with the Dolphins, called Dan Marino “Mr. Elway.” Oops.

  87. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Imagine if the Dolphins were using misdirection, sending signals out that they are definitely drafting a 1st RD QB? This would be so unlike the Dolphins, and you’d have to say they have succeeded, right?

    • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

      IF that’s the intention (smokescreen that we want a 1st round QB), I’d say it looks like we want someone to trade up to R1P11… perhaps the Cardinals.

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        Or they could be hiding their intentions of trying to get a different player, hard to say for sure.

  88. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    Figure only positions we could possibly take at #11 are LB, DB, OG, OT, TE and QB. When it comes to the draft you guys know so much more about who is available…..any of those positions where there wouldn’t be a possible prospect that high?

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Best player on our board.

    • rich0322's avatar rich0322 says:

      I don’t think a TE will go in the top 15.

      • rich0322's avatar rich0322 says:

        Guys I like that we have “a chance” at getting.

        Nelson (OG), McGlinchey (OT), Ward (CB), Edmunds (LB), Smith (LB), James (S)

        …Barkley & Fitzpatrick we have no shot at unless we move up.

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        Thanks RGs. Combine is when I start paying attention, and you are helping me do so. Seems McGlinchey will go off the list if we either keep James or sign a FA OT….but heck we could get a FA G also.

      • rich0322's avatar rich0322 says:

        Yea, if we keep James then McGlinchey gets crossed off.

      • rich0322's avatar rich0322 says:

        IMO, you can’t have enough quality OL, DL, or DBs. Those are the position I look for first in the 1st. They would be my priority positions.

        They not to say if a special guy falls at another position I wouldn’t take him.

      • rich0322's avatar rich0322 says:

        *That’s not to say…

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        Good rule of thumb, but just don’t see DT (4 strong) or DE (after getting Quinn) in our draft future unless a trade is involved.

  89. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    Interesting what Landry put out. Whether with us or another team, seems the guaranteed money is most important to him.
    ———————————————–

    “The team decides to exercise the franchise tag. I’m considering not playing on it. The franchise tag is not a good deal for me.”

    “In my case, I played four years. And you get another year basically of not signing me to a long-term deal. So in that year, anything can happen. You look at guys like Ryan Shazier, who might not have opportunity to play again. He’s fighting a battle to just walk again. I’m at the point where taking care of my family is the most important to me. I’ve put my body on the line for years. I’ve sacrificed my time. I’ve sacrificed my life to make sure that I have this opportunity.”

  90. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    rgs – You’re a better man than me if you understand. a 4 year deal at $13.5M per, say with only $30M guaranteed, that doesn’t take care of his family? I find that shit so annoying, and I love Landry, but even the damn $16M this season takes care of his family. Not that no one in his family will ever have to work again, but please, my entire family together won’t make $16M in our lifetime, so no, I don’t understand any of that

    • rich0322's avatar rich0322 says:

      No, I understand that he wants a long term deal vs one year with a risk of injury.

      I don’t think any of us can relate to the money.

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        We offered him a 4YR $54M deal with $30M guaranteed, if the report was accurate, but that wasn’t enough, which is why we’re at we’re at. My problem with Landry is if a trade doesn’t get worked out for him because no one wants to pay him more than that, that he becomes a little bitch and sticks it to the team somehow. We gave him a very good offer, but it wasn’t good enough, which means he’s not going to be happy taking that or less.

  91. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Stanger – It’s always the guaranteed money, the contract numbers mean nothing if you aren’t getting it. He wanted at least $35M guaranteed if I recall correctly, and I think we offered $30M. Honestly, I hate hearing that shit, it just makes me angry. No one can ever say we didn’t offer him a fair contract, it’s on LANDRY, and his dildo agent to get it done, not us. I’m getting closer to hoping he gets traded.

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      It at least is an insight into where his mind is. And I can’t blame him all that much. Get how much money the $16 mil is, but given his position if you can more you try too. Not like Warren Buffet doesn’t make the best deals he can at mind-blowing numbers. Only thing do blame him for is talk of not signing the tag and not playing for that huge chunk of change and acting as if he is a victim. But seems he has backed off that.

    • pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

      Never trust a hobbit agent.

  92. pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

    Hey all you Jersey girls….stay warm this week and remember shoveling snow cause heart attacks.

  93. pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

    I still see Landry to the Bears, although there are now 5 teams interested in him, including the Ravens.

  94. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Phelon – Weather in my area calls for 3-5″ of snow on Wed

  95. rich0322's avatar rich0322 says:

    Honestly, I’m just not going to get worked up over Landry. If we keep him, great. If not, then we move on hopefully with decent compensation.

    I’m more worried about getting better in the trenches. …on both sides of the ball.

  96. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    I don’t know if anybody here has said it or if it’s out there… but I think it’s a really bad year to be drafting an OT; the top of the crop all have warts. If I’m the GM, there’s no way I’m even thinking about drafting an OT @ R1P11 as it pertains to BPA.

    If the idea is to replace James at RT, I believe we can wait until day 3 of the Draft on a rising prospect (Joseph Noteboom, for example). And remember… we got quality RT play from Jesse Davis down the stretch of last season. I don’t believe we need to address OT early… JMO.

    • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

      And IMO, we ideally would re-sign James to a cap-friendly contract extension.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Davis was at RG and Young was at RT down the stretch and they both played pretty well. Part of the reason the team is mulling over what to do about James.

      • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

        Ah, yes… Sam Young was at RT. He did really play well! Thanks for the correction.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        The team also likes Eric Smith who could be a sleeper. We have other tackles in the hopper as well in Zach Sterup and Sean Hickey. Not sure what their projection is though.

    • rich0322's avatar rich0322 says:

      Oh, I agree OT is very weak overall this year.

  97. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    This is a draft that I could see happening (*Jarvis Landry for a 2nd rounder)…

    R1- Baker Mayfield
    R2- DJ Chark
    *R2- Mike Gesicki
    R3- Frank Ragnow
    R4- Royce Freeman
    6- Toby Weathersby
    7- Skai Moore
    7- Christian Campbell

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