Wedge Scouting Report: Maurice Hurst, Michigan

It’s not all fun and games being an intergalactic agent.  You make quite a few enemies when you threaten the entire existence of everyone on the planet.

And sometimes – you even get caught and have to accept whatever the local punishment is for your crimes…

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Like that pesky Sarlacc Pit…

OUCH!!! (turning to an alien poking him in the back with a spear) Okay already…I’m moving…I’m moving!

Having to jump into the Sarlacc Pit is one of those uncomfortable realities you have to accept – kind of like when the Dolphins released Ndamukong Suh.  Having to look at defensive tackles in this draft is sort of like rotting in a belly for 100 years for some of us.  But we have to accept it.

So let’s take a look at Maurice Hurst:

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The Positives:  So offense you want to snap the ball and run your play…well Hurst is going to be in the backfield before you know it, so look out.  Hurst is a penetrator and was one of the most disruptive forces in college football in 2017.  That’s his game – once the ball is snapped Hurst demonstrates the type of initial quickness to get in the backfield to kill the play before it gets started.

In three years at Michigan, Hurst gathered 13.5 sacks including 5 and 5.5 over the last tow years.  He also had 32 tackles for a loss in his career surpassing 10 in each of the last tow years.

Hurst is very good against the run and against the pass.  He gets immediate penetration right up the middle.  That’s the kind of pressure a team can use against a team like the Patriots.

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The Negatives:  Far be it from this stringbean alien to call some one that is 280 pounds light, but that is undersized for an NFL defensive tackle.  Because he is undersized, Hurst is one of the few prospects scouts appear to universally agree about.  Almost everyone says he’s a 3 technique defensive tackle in an NFL 4-3.  Hurst did some play some nose tackle at Michigan and occasionally he was overpowered, so most people don’t project he will hold up very well in the NFL at NT.

Hurst was excused from the NFL Combine with a medical red flag.  Its a heart condition that cam up during his freshman year at Michigan, so its not a surprise to Hurst, but it might hurt his stock.  Hurst has since been cleared to play in the NFL and recently had a very good performance at Michigan’s pro day.

His favorite team growing up was the Patriots – so yuk.

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The Alien Dust:  That heart condition might be a blessing in disguise for a team like the Dolphins.  You might recall a heart condition caused Star Lotulelei to drop a few years ago in the draft.  Lotulelei has had a pretty good NFL career so far despite the draft day drop.  Lotulelei was a more highly coveted prospect that Hurst is.  So I wonder, will this projected first rounder drop into the 2nd round?  If he does – he’s a steal in the 2nd round.

I mentioned his favorite team was the Patriots.  That’s because his mom was a Patriots cheerleader.  His father, who he has never met, was a defensive back for the Patriots who wore the number 37.  That’s why Hurst wears the number 73, the inverse of 37.  Doesn’t sound like a great relationship there.

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Maurice Hurst is this year draft’s version of The Sarlacc Pitt

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You can watch his highlights here

 

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817 Responses to Wedge Scouting Report: Maurice Hurst, Michigan

  1. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    I’ve gotta think that we’re at LEAST going to kick the tires on a trade for Michael Brockers, and it will probably involve Andre Branch. And just as we’re likely to sign Robert Quinn to a new contract after trading for him, so can the Rams in trading for Branch.

    This trade makes SO much sense for both sides.

  2. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    Ken,

    On the serious tip, I hope all is going as well as can be for ya, bud. My prayers continue for ya, nightly, and I KNOW that you’re going to *SMASH* this puny c-word!
    #HulkKenStrong

  3. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    I have a bald eagle that hunts the POND behind my condo, believe it.

    The beak, crown and feet give them away. Even as very young dark birds.

    I’ve never seen a golden. I heard they are enormous.

    I rescued a coopers hawk in my neighborhood at work last year. He was gonna take a pigeon, but hit the top power line wire and broke a wing. It was scary catching him. (he was out in the street)

    Really cool you have a healthy baldy.

    • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

      BEAUTIFUL pic! I’ve got a few of them around my house here in PA… true beauty in nature!

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Wow!!! I had a coopers hawk in one my neighbors back yards with a stream bathing last year. I didn’t know what it was right away but looked it up and it was a cooper hawk. They are known to be able to fly threw thick forestation and snatch birds out of the air. I saw some raptor take a small bird one time as well but it looked smaller than a coopers and I think it was a falcon. I also saw an owl one night. Where there is prey there are predators.

  4. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    Golden eagles are really bad ass

  5. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    After we put our cat down last year we got a Maltese pup who is 9 months and about 6.5 pounds. I was worried about hawks but now the eagles are more of a concern. I’m trying to pound this into my wife and daughter’s heads that letting her on the deck without watching her like you would a toddler, might be a really bad day someday. Forget that we lost a dog, think about what she went through.

  6. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    March 26, 2018 at 8:47 pm
    …I’m trying to pound this into my wife…
    ————–
    WHOA! LOL 😆 😉

  7. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    OK, going to go watch the pilot of Krypton on SYFY now.

  8. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    as raptors go the Harpy Eagle is the most enormous and terrifying

  9. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    There’s only ONE flying creature that puts ALL of the others to shame. This mofo has a wingspan larger than the famed ‘Stratolaunch’, and I do believe that resident blogger Bat devised it…

  10. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    The Branch for Brockers trade is interesting. The Rams only have two DEs currently.

    • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

      EXACTLY!

      Prof Lou came up with trying to trade for Brockers, I added Branch as the compensation.

      • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

        IMO, that’s how this blog should WORK! Working together for the common good… instead of foolish disrespect for one another for original ideas.

  11. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    M13, the trade makes so much sense from a monetary and void standpoint for both teams. Good work dudes!

  12. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    One day my wife comes into the kitchen and says there is a bird that seemed to fly into the ground right in front of our driveway and it’s flopping around right now.

    So I go out and see it’s a pigeon, and it is just flopping around. I kinda look around, and I see on the other side of the street an SUV, and there is a big fucking hawk perched on the rear end roof, and it is watching the pigeon intently.

    After a couple of minutes, it swoops over to the pigeon, lands on it, and starts viciously shredding it apart with its claws, feathers flying everywhere, killing it pretty quick. After a minute or two some of the neighborhood bluejays start dive bombing the hawk, so it grabs the pigeon and takes off.

    My neighbor came over (he’d been taking pictures) and told me it was a Cooper’s hawk and it had knocked the pigeon out of the sky. It was one of the most intense natural things I’ve ever seen. A totally, bad-ass, majestic bird.

  13. rich0322's avatar rich0322 says:

    Yea, I have to agree. I would like that trade too.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      It sets up:
      LDE Hayes/Wake/Malveaux
      RDE Quinn/Harris/Malveaux

      Anthony can also be used as an edge rusher from a 2-pt. He has the size and speed to do it – saw a few glimpses of it last year.

  14. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    Thank you, Tim and Rgs!

    Now I’m going to have to pay Prof Lou a royalty fee of sorts… 🙂

  15. ElephantRider's avatar ElephantRider says:

    I see eagles take rabbits all the time here. It’s pretty awesome to see.

    • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

      RABBIT HAWKS!!!

      • ElephantRider's avatar ElephantRider says:

        The only thing I like about winter is when the river freezes. There is usually an open spot on it and there will always be a collection of eagles circling above it. Pretty cool to see.

      • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

        Nice! Pretty much the same here where I’m at, only I don’t like going outdoors when it’s below 60 degrees, LOL

        Now let’s find some BALL HAWKS!!!

      • ElephantRider's avatar ElephantRider says:

        Lol. Agreed, but I can’t hide for 8 months! Lol

        Would be nice to get a HAWK here. Fingers crossed

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Back in the day I used to drive for a living and when traveling on I84 in NYS I saw red tails take rabbits and other small animals all the time in the median split of the highway – usually like 150 feet wide with trees, bushes, brush etc. It’s bitter sweet, feel bad for the prey because it’s a violent death, but also that’s how predators survive. Nature!

      The same highway where I saw deer pulverized by vehicles mainly tractor-trailers. Ugh!

  16. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Sometimes when I patrol the skies – I swoop down like a predator too

    But for pizza or chocolate…

  17. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Suh chose a chance to win. Good for him. The Rams are a good team.

  18. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Just realized the Rams play a 3-4 under Wade Phillips. How does he use Donald and Suh? Remember Quinn played OLB last year. How does Branch fit?

  19. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Dolphins show interest in Chubb and Michel

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Drake and a good young back with Gore in the group is good stuff. I think there will be a lot of emphasis with the running game, play-action vertical, and yes the WR/RB screen game.

  20. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:
  21. I can’t take credit for the Brockers for Branch thing. Armando brought up the idea that the team is still looking to make a trade to fill a void or voids they still have and put Branch out there as a possible trade piece because of his cap hit. Then when Suh was signed he said Brockers was the odd man out in L.A. with his cap hit as a backup.

  22. and the thing is, would the Rams really want Branch as compensation? He’s undersized as a 3-4 DE.

  23. I’m leaning more towards Parker going to the Rams for Brockers rather than Branch. Branch has no value to them as he’s an undersized DE in their scheme. He doesn’t fit. Parker, on the other hand, is much more valuable because their wr corps has nobody other than Woods. I can’t count Austin because he’s not much of a wr. More of a return guy.

  24. naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

    Parker for Brockers would be good for our team, but then we’d need to draft Ridley for real.
    I’d still prefer going with Roquan or Tremaine or Rashaan Evans in the first round and getting Chark, or Ateman or Cobbs for our “Big.” Chark is good because he’s tall AND fast and could be a WR1 a la Randy Moss.

  25. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    I went to the dump the other day and saw about 50 bald eagles rummaging along with buzzards

    • pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

      Yeah Bald Eagles are opportunists. They’ll hunt, scavenge, and steal from other raptors….whatever it takes to eat.

  26. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Rob – Sorry to hear you’re down in the dumps. Ba-dum-bum!

  27. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

  28. And here’s another thing. If Suh is listed as the nose the Rams still need Brockers to play DE.

  29. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Suh wasn’t the nose here, that was Chris Foerster

  30. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

  31. sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

    Mike E. says:

    March 27, 2018 at 8:45 am

    Suh wasn’t the nose here, that was Chris Foerster
    __________

    HA!

  32. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      If I hear one more belicheat comparison or patriot was comparison I’m going to jump out the window

      Buying into the attitude of the team or the standard set holds a lot more weight of that team is winning

      Belicheat can say to players do you want to win, bc this is what it takes
      But most players know there will be opportunities for the same thing the Dolphins will offer from other teams

      I just hate this cliche about the patriot way blah blah blah
      The patriots have had some serious offfilex issues over the years
      I find it hard to beleive that their lockeroom has a a harmonious place and if other teams copy that blue print they will win just like the patriots have

  33. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Kinda seems like a waste to play Suh at NT

  34. pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Suh retired next year. Certainly doesn’t need money and never struck me as a guy who was playing for the love of the game.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      I just thought of that today also. He takes a shot with the Rams at championship and if not, would not be surprised to see him walk away. He’s already involved in other business ventures.

  35. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

  36. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    2nd time I’ve seen us trading up for Mayfield, the other one was on NFL.com. It’s gaining steam, for what that’s worth . . .

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2018-nfl-mock-draft-bears-move-up-for-o-lineman-dolphins-steal-baker-mayfield-from-broncos/

  37. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

  38. Randy's avatar Randy says:

    I thought Gase got rid of all the “alpha dogs”? If we still have some, where were they last year when all the BS was going down? What a line of crap. Some new guy we just signed is gonna come in and be an immediate locker room leader? That says volumes about the lack of leadership we’ve had for years.

    • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

      It’s pretty obvious we didn’t have he right ones. Gotta keep trying, so that’s what he’s doing.

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      The glaring omission in his statement is sometimes lack of leadership flows from the top

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        I don’t agree Piggy – That’s why coaches, managers always bring their own guys in, to help them control the locker room. You have to at least give him a chance, he was dealing with someone else’s players. Let’s see how things work out. I get you didn’t like some of the moves he made, but instead of just assuming he’s weak and sucks because we had a bad season, why not just wait to see how things shake out?

      • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

        I don’t think you are wrong Mie

        It’s just not what I’m saying
        I used the word “sometimes” for a reason
        I’m not calling him weak

        But that the thing – they identified lack of leadership as a problem and addrssed it

        If it doesn’t work – then what?
        I think we know that answer if that happens: the problem runs deeper than the players. Time will tell. But I’m not willing to assume that some of the people on top aren’t making former players scapegoats

        Also – there is nothing that Gase can do to explain how the lack of leadership with the players is responsible for what happened with forester last off-season

        Are the new Alpha’s going to stop a coach from embarrassing himself by announcing to the world that he’s about to go into a coaches meeting high in cocaine?

        Besides Forester, I blame Gase for missing what his assistant coaches are up to

        The dialogue about leaders in the lack of leaders in the lockerooom holds a lot more weight of there wasn’t an utter lack of leadership with the coaches last offseason. And Forrster is Exhibit A

  39. sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

    There’s a difference between an alpha dog and a lone wolf. Just because someone is a leader in the locker room doesn’t mean they are a good one. Of course, I’m speaking generally here, not specifically on the players we let go. Pretty much anyone cut or traded was primarily for financial reasons. Anything extra more than likely helped the decision.

  40. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

  41. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Well he’s not boring!

  42. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

  43. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Just because s guy is a hot head and wants the ball all the time does not make them alphas or leaders. I wouldn’t consider OBJ that either. Like sb7 said, sometimes they’re lone wolves.

    • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

      If OBJ was that the Giants wouldn’t even consider unloading him, but the guy is off the hook with himself, and authority means absolutely nothing to him, and to some extent, Landry was like that too, although he’s not the superstar OBJ is.

  44. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Mike, I agree with your point about bringing in your own guys. Remember when Jimmy Johnson became HC, he cleaned house from day one.

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      And then coaches with a broken relationship with Marino and left us with Dave Wannstedt

      I mean you are right, coaches being their own guys in and if I was a coach I would too. You have to win or lose your way

      But let’s not pretend this is a defense to bad decision that coaches make. Bringing in your own guys isn’t unusual. It also doesn’t always lead to good results.

      THere were good part to JJ like Zach Thomas and JT. the irony is parcels chased both those guys out bc they weren’t his guys

      I think people are a little frustrated by that merry- go-round. Most of the time you don’t see it in year 3 of a coaches career either

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        Piggy – I missed what you were saying. Who’s Forester?

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Well Gase didn’t change much year one. Year two he added a lot of new players. This offseason was more about money vs. production. Ajayi was a different situation.

        A lot of teams had turnover this offseason, even successful teams like the Eagles, Rams and Jags. The Seahawks have also been doing quite a bit of turnover.

      • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

        I’m not really upset at the moves Tim
        I generally like them especially on the OL

        I tell to think they are motivated by $ too
        But that’s one reason I really don’t love Gase’ quote about alphas

        I really not a fan of the culture change, leadership rhetoric I hear occasionally

  45. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Piggy – Never mind, you were talking about our resident nose, Chris Foerster. I gotcha. I don’t know how much blame you can throw on Gase for not knowing, it’s not like the guy had a history, so he probably wasn’t looking for any trouble from him.

  46. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

  47. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

  48. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Mike E

    I meant Foerster

  49. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Yes Mike
    I meant the Toucan

    Can we blame Gase? (Piggy shrugs)

    But I’m a little hesitant to treat a change of players in the lockeroom who won’t put up with anything as some kind of fix, when an assistant coach was doing cocaine in the Dolphins facility before meetings – which no one put a stop to until it went viral

    It kind of sounds like the players are being held to a Higher standard than the coaches
    So as I say not as I do is not my favorite kind of leadership

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      I don’t think anyone knew what Foerster was doing until he got exposed.

      In the big scheme of things, the only thing that matters with all of this change is wins and losses. If you win it worked, if you lose you’ll be replaced.

      • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

        I kind of want to see Gase say “the buck stops here” instead of pleading ignorance or blaming players.

  50. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Again
    As a whole unlike most of the moves despite losing some of my favorite players

    In terms of money – the moves make sense

    But the last thing I want to hear is Gase start talking about alphas in the lockeroom
    I hate that rhetoric from a guy I’m not sure has shown leadership himself

  51. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Meh

    • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

      We have enough chaff, we need the meat and potatoes, or if we have it my way, the filet mignon

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      I don’t know how he played for the raiders but he was a solid prospect
      Considering how badly we need TEs maybe he would be a nice pick up

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        He didn’t do much with the Raiders. I kinda lump him together with Virgil Green, similar prospects. I don’t Green signed anywhere yet, so both are available,

      • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

        Just looking at his stats now

        Looks like his first two years he was around 30 catches over 300 yards
        but last season was a colossal slump

        Not a bad player to help fill out the roster before the draft
        not a solution either

  52. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    I stopped reading power polls
    Offseason polls are the dumbest

  53. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Piggy – I just don’t want any pickups before the draft to give them the sense that TE is no longer a priority. That’s my biggest fear.

  54. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    LOL, so let me guess we’re now the worst team in the league because Landry, Suh and Pouncey are no longer on the team. Well done ESPN, you’re so insightful.

  55. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    WTF???????????

  56. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

  57. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    if we want mayfield i dont think it’s necessary to trade down, i’m thinking he’s a mid to late rnd 1st

  58. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    ORob, I think there is a good chance some team does trade up for Mayfield.

    • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

      with 3 QBs gone chubb and Barkley that leaves 5 picks before he gets to us, and Jackson may go in front of him. a lot of talen in the top 10, trading down will be tough, i hear Denver wants to move down.
      not so sure he wont be there at 11

  59. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    i’m loving these QB’s going in the early first, that means some serious talent in other areas will slide

  60. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

  61. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Ryan Tannehill has been medically cleared to participate in offseason activities starting in April and May.

  62. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    Lumped Keepernick in with RG3, Tebow and Manziel. Still thinks he will be in a camp this summer.

    How dare he!?? Those are all great QB’s there are guys on here that said so. again and again and again. (while at the same time bashing our QB) YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE! I DON’T need to point you out.

    • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

      I know who wanted kaperdick!!!!!

      • Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

        but do you remember who insisted that Tebew was great? He defended Manziel and rooted for him?

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      I admit I was high on the upside of RGIII but that wasn’t at the cost of bashing our own QB because Tannehill wasn’t our QB yet, he was in the same draft. 😉

      I was not big on Kaepernick, and no way on Tebow and Manziel.

  63. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Honestly – Kaepernick did so much more than RGIII, Tebow and Manziel combined, but he screwed himself socially with his campaign, whatever it was. If he didn’t do that, he’d likely be either starting or competing for a starting job somewhere.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      RGIII had a very good rookie season and then it all went down hill for all sorts of reasons – health, lack of leadership, lost the locker room and shit like that.

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        He did, but Kaep had a few good seasons, and he still has better than a 2:1 ratio of TD:INT’s, 72TD’s – 30 INT’s close to a 60% comp pct, 12.000 yards passing along w/ 2300 YDS rushing and another 13 TD’s.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        I’m not comparing the two.

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      It’s a combination of football and social commentary keeping him out of the league

      So many people argue it’s juat one thing

      He’s a decent qbs to take a chance with on your roster based on football

      But you are not just hoping he returns to old form and improves which may not happen
      You are taking in a weekly controversy that’s not about football at all

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Owners don’t want to lose fans because of him, and coaches don’t want distractions with their QB. They want to focus on football and Kaepernick is not focused on football.

  64. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    Tim Knight says:
    March 27, 2018 at 3:01 pm
    Then there are women who are evil………………..

    Tim, you are just NOW finding this out? LOL

  65. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Seriously – How many guys with stats even close to Kaep’s are unable to get a QB job in the NFL? There’s a lot of drek out there where he could be, if he wasn’t an asshole.

  66. pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

    Rock – I have two as well. And I’m pretty much perfect so it must have been them.

  67. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    Once we’re through this offseason, Kaep’s name should finally stop coming up. No team is going to keep him into the season, and I’ll be amazed if he even gets a shot in camp. It would just flat out alienate too many fans.

    He chose to be the face of the kneeling movement. Not having a job in professional football was the price. If he was a stud at the position he could do both, but he isn’t. There really isn’t much more to say on him.

    • D's avatar D says:

      LeSean McCoy said it best (paraphrasing) The NFL will put up with the circus around a player if the player is good enough to warrant it. Simple fact is Kaep isnt that good.

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        Yep! It’s business, pure and simple. He would have been given backup opportunities just like all the rest of these QB retreads, but not at the cost of fans and money.

  68. D's avatar D says:

    Randy says:
    March 27, 2018 at 11:23 am

    I thought Gase got rid of all the “alpha dogs”? If we still have some, where were they last year when all the BS was going down? What a line of crap. Some new guy we just signed is gonna come in and be an immediate locker room leader? That says volumes about the lack of leadership we’ve had for years
    —————————————-
    Theres alpha dog traits and then there is pack leader traits. They aren’t necessarily the same but some of the overlap. I think that might be part of his problem is he is looking for alphas and expecting them to all also be leaders, and unfortunately its not going to be the case a majority of times.

  69. D's avatar D says:

    His stats really arent that good. He did have a really great season and a sort of good one, but other than that he has been awful. He has no touch on his passes (they lost a chance at a superbowl mostly because of that). He cant read a defense for shit and like a lot of option style QB’s, he needs a team to be built around him completely to be successful. He isnt a plug and play QB in most sstems and he isnt even a good backup option in most systems. Combine that with the bullshit surrounding him and its not hard to determine why he doesnt have a job.

    • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

      My point was purely football, without the sideshow. He’s better than at least 10 QB’s that are either backups or vying for starting jobs. He has talent, that’s undeniable. It’s really a pointless discussion though, because he’ll never play in the NFL again because of how he’s perceived now.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        He also attempted to sue the owners for collusion. Yeah that will get you signed. LOL

      • Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

        If he was good enough to start he’d be playing!
        He’s not so he ain’t!

        If your a back up better not ride around with clowns! 😉

  70. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Just BACK AWAY from the trade up for Mayfield talk!
    Calmly turn around and join us over at the BPA Bar and Grill!

  71. son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

    Boy, Gase really attached himself to Tannehill.

    I didn’t listen to the whole thing but why in the world is Gase throwing McDonald under the bus. Why is saying anything about a guy who’s under contract besides professing his love for Tannehill?

  72. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    I don’t care if we trade up and get our QB, I don’t. When you get your guy, and he becomes a star, the extra 1st RD pick doesn’t seem like such a big deal. How many 1st RD picks have we really hit on anyway?

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      I would prefer we continue to build the entire team with this draft and not give up too much for a potential franchise QB who won’t start right away. If they do so be it, but I’d be surprised if we did. I see us targeting a QB in 2-4 rounds. If RT doesn’t play well or has a setback with the knee, we can go all in for a QB next year.

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        I would prefer that CLE just let us swap spots because they like our colors, but that ain’t happening. Just get the QB, the rest will happen in due time

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        We don’t know that we’re all in on any of these QBs to do that though. A lot of it is just speculation. If one of them drops and it’s not going to take a lot to trade up I can see that, but I don’t think we can get inside of 5. CLE has a chance to get their QB and another impact player at #4, and DEN will have a shot at a QB at #5 too.

        A lot of this depends on what the Giants do at #2. Do they want to stay there, or are they willing to trade down?

  73. sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

    The front office needs to be realistic about where this team is currently at right now. I don’t think we can afford to trade up for a QB this year while giving up picks next year and still expect to be competitive.

    • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

      By competitive, do you mean better than 8-8?

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      I think we can be competitive right now with some good fortune like not a ton of injuries to key players. But to get to the next level, I think we need to address multiple positions in this draft and hopefully add 2-3 impact players and some better depth. That said we also need young players from the last two drafts to step up and make a difference. We have a lot of young potential. We need to start seeing it come to fruition consistency.

  74. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    I don’t see us as SB bound this year, or even deep playoff contenders, so I have no problem getting our QB, and then building around that QB in the next few drafts.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Nobody saw that with the Eagles off of 7-9 either. Sometimes a season is special. It’s not like we have no talent. We also don’t know who we’ll have after the draft. Things change quickly in this league.

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        That’s true, we might hit on a few picks, and if they contribute well, anything is possible.

  75. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Tim

    Yeah, I have no idea if we really like a QB or not, but if we do I’m more than fine going to get that QB. I don’t mean giving up 3 1st RD picks, this years 2nd RD, next years 2nd RD, no need to do that for ANY of the QB’s in this draft, but this years 1st and 3rd, and then next years 1 seems reasonable.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      It seems like it would take more than that because we’d likely have to get to at least #6. Oh no that’s the spot Tannenbaum got Sanchez at in a trade up. LOL

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        Not only did they trade up to #6, but drafted a QB who wears #6.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        That’s a fuckin omen. LOL

        But they did go to 2 AFC championship games and I’d sign up for that right now. The only thing is if Tannehill is healthy and plays well, it won’t be the rookie.

  76. son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

    We have Tannehill who is more entrenched than Ross himself, Osweiller and Fales so no we aren’t SB contenders.

  77. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Tim

    Nobody saw it with the Eagles, but what did the Eagles do the year before nobody saw it? 🙂

    • son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

      Something we won’t do this year. Our starter is back. Weeeeee

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        Don’t be so sure. It could happen, I believe that

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Yep the guy who played real well during a 7-1 run that lead to a 9-2 finish in 2016. What people forget is we lost a lot of players down the stretch that year. We went into the playoffs on fumes.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Look at the pieces though, they weren’t loaded with special talent everywhere. Yes Wentz was a big deal but they won it all without him. They had a special season. Like the Falcons the year before but they blew it.

      When you look at our roster and say okay, if these players have good years and some have their best years, we could easily go far. It has to happen though. The potential is there, I really believe that. But things don’t always go smoothly for our team as we know so it’s hard to fathom it happening. LOL

      • naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

        We need to draft a TE who will get us 500 yds and 5 TDs.
        That would make us so much better on offense.
        We need to average one more TD per game.

  78. olddolphan's avatar olddolphan says:

    SOO-OOO ESPN says the Dolphins now rank #32 in the NFL Power Poll, just behind #30 Cleveland and #31 Indianapolis. Guess they’re not overwhelmed with the additions of 32 year old Amendola and 34 year old Gore. Well how about that??? At least Ross saved several million bucks by dumping Suh, Landry and Ajayi. –Out with the young and in with the older seems to be the “now” philosophy of the “DOOFUS BRIGADE.”
    —————–
    Mike E; I burst out laughing when you said up the page that no one’s expecting us to win the division or compete for the Super Bowl. You might have added “no one’s expecting Trump to divorce his wife and marry Stormy Daniels either!” One is about as likely as the other!
    —————–
    IF Ross is SERIOUS about re-starting this franchise, the first thing he needs to do is SELL THE TEAM AND RETURN FULL TIME TO NEW YORK CITY. Since THAT won’t happen, firing T-Bomb and Grier would be steps 2 and 3. A competent GM and head of scouting are essential assets that winning teams have and losing teams don’t have. DON’T see Ross changing ANY MEMBERS of the spectacularly awful “DOOFUS BRIGADE” this season, so ESPN’s evaluation of Miami’s overall roster strength may be closer to the truth than ANY of us want to admit. Hopefully, Tannehill and several other members of our team who got knocked out last year will come back strong and spearhead a return to a .500 season. But we’ll need LOTS OF HELP from the draft to get to .500. —And we aren’t there, yet.

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      A low ranking in an offseason power ranking means nothing except the talking heads don’t like our moves

      • olddolphan's avatar olddolphan says:

        The “TALKING Heads” aren’t the only ones who don’t like our moves, Piggy. Several dedicated season ticket holders are sick of what Ross has done to this franchise.

  79. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

  80. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    I hope we do draft a QB this year. I believe T-hill can be good enough to be top 10. He’s done it for stretches, but I don’t want to be without a good QB. This franchise screwed the pooch a long time ago when they didn’t have someone behind Marino or any time since.

    My greatest (football) hope is that we take a guy and actually develop him. I mean, come on man, This Guy!!? Fuck you universe!

  81. D's avatar D says:

    IMO if we trade up, unless we just solidly fuck ourselves the way the Redskins did going up got RG3, im not worried about a future 1st. If he is our guy go get him, if he isnt dont reach just because we are pseudo desperate.

    You cant second guess the guys who own the picks and who are going to lose their jobs if they continually miss on those picks. They have a lot riding on it so they will act out of the conviction they have that they are right about the decision. Im not saying that decision will be right, not saying they always hit on their picks, we miss, everyone misses, but there is no, well if they do this its the right decision and if they do that its the wrong decision “so sayeth me”. There is only the decision they will make and we probably wont know for sure what that will be until late April when the pick is called in.

    Im really not sweating it, i really see no scenario where i feel we will obliterate ourselves trading up trading back or staying put. I see us selecting a exciting new player no matter how it turns out.

    • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

      That’s how I feel

    • D's avatar D says:

      Oh and faith in THill doesnt play into the pick IMO, i can have tons of faith in him, i can say his is our QB forevah….forevah evah? Im still drafting Mayfield if i feel he is my guy. All faith in Tanny does is make it so you dont have to feel pressured to move up, or pressured to take a first rounder, it doesnt remove the logic in taking a guy you have faith in as a starter and a guy who at least pushes Tanny and gives us a reallygreat next man up scenario.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      I’m not sweating it either. Gase recently said I would love to add a QB but are we taking one just to do it. My issue it’s not going to be just a 1st next year. Unless a QB we like falls a bit, it’s not going to be cheap to move up to say #6. If these 4 QBs are all that, they will all go top 6, maybe 5.

      • D's avatar D says:

        Depends on the scenario, if we have competition, yeah its going to be expensive, but i could see a next years first and a this years 3rd or a next years 2nd and a this years 2nd and a 4th. 5 spots isn’t a mountain of cost, its definitely not 2 future 1sts if thats what your thinking. I think max its a this year 2nd and a next years first. KC moved WAY up last year to the Bills spot and took Mahomes for what was a this years 3rd and next years 1st, and i think they got some change back from the Bills too so that third was a probaby more on par with an early 4th.

  82. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    I choose to believe in Gase for another year.

    GO DOLPHINS!!

    • naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

      me too
      Not having a bye week was a real detriment to us last yr.

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      I’m not ready to bend the knee

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      10-6 and the playoffs never happened in 2016 and somehow it seems people are treating Tannehill like he had something to with the 2017 season other than being hurt. We never even got to see our 2nd rd pick MLB McMillan play MLB. 2017 was a shit season. It has no bearing on 2018 because the circumstances and some new personnel along with some new coaches has nothing to do with it.

      It must suck going into a season even pre-draft hating everything. Football is a real-time sport with no pre-determined results other than knowing some teams are really good. Other than that, there is always a changing of the guard in the playoff scenario and some good teams have off years. Happens every year.

      I agree, go Gase and go Dolphins!!! 🙂

  83. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    my only satisfaction about NE getting Brady in the 6th round and his becoming one of the “best of all time” is that He and Belicheat will most certainly spend eternity in hell. That’s what happens when you sell your soul to the Devil.

  84. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    ———–
    So Rams’ GM Les Snead confirms that Suh will play NT in their 3-4, with Aaron Donald and Brock (Michael Brockers) playing DEs.

    • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

      And according to Spotrac, the best ‘OUT’ for the Rams ridding themselves of Brockers is ’19.

      Seems Brockers is staying put in LA this year.

  85. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    March 27, 2018 at 8:31 pm

    I’m not ready to bend the knee

    I am! I am!!

  86. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    D, any team looking to get into the top 6 outside of the top 10 is going to get fleeced.

    Let’s say we love Mayfield and trade up to #2. What do you think that will cost?
    What do you think that will cost at #4?
    I doubt Denver trades down. I think they stay put or trade up for a QB.
    What do you think that will cost at #6?

    My guess would be minimum, the obvious swap of a 1st this year along with a 2nd, and a 1st and 2nd next year. For a QB who won’t be penciled in as a starter in 2018 and is unproven, on a team that is constructed to compete this year. It doesn’t make sense to me.

    You don’t sign vet players if you’re starting over. Trading up for a QB says Ryan we don’t believe in you. Drafting a QB with a pick does not.

  87. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

  88. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Son

    Don’t tell me you don’t watch GOT?

  89. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    I’m actually jealous of you both

    You can watch it for the first time and not know anything’s coming

    • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

      I’m not a big television viewer. Yeah, I’ll watch the nightly news, maybe Jeopardy, or something informative about history or science… but aside from that, I don’t watch TV. But of COURSE(!), I’m watching football when it’s football season.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      I love the production but it lost me. So I guess I’m out. I’ll still check it out but not like I must know what happens. It’s gotten to the point where anything can happen and it got boring for me. It’s dragging on with mundane BS for me. Get to the good stuff, it’s not a book, it’s a short series. Screenplay and novel are different. LOL

      • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

        Have you been watching since season 1

        When did you stop watching?

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Yes, too much time with that fuckin sparrow guy and all the weird relationships. I think it’s too drawn out for a 9 show series.

  90. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    • naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

      He’s my first choice in the first round for us, just a little ahead of Tremaine because Edmunds is so young. I also like Rashaan Evans at the position.

      • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

        Yeah, man! I think if we stay put @ R1P11 and Roquan is there for the taking, I’d take him in a heartbeat.

  91. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    March 27, 2018 at 9:31 pm
    Start from the beginning
    ———-
    Noted! Thanks for the advice, Pig.

  92. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    For me we have to add a talented TE, it’s time. Then we need another OL, DT and LB along with a developmental QB. Adding a 3rd Safety would be great, but I don’t see that as paramount unless he’s a top dog.

    RB to me could be a mass competition behind Drake/Gore. As in we draft a RB or two along the way, and/or add UDFAs.

    There are good players on this team sans the ones we moved on from. Too much is being made of it. We now suck because with all of those players we went 6-10, so we must be worse in 2018. LOL

  93. ElephantRider's avatar ElephantRider says:

    Count me as 3. Have never seen any GOT.

  94. rich0322's avatar rich0322 says:

    I’m really warming up to taking Roquan Smith/Justin Reid with the first 2 picks to help with pass coverage. That’s if both are available when we pick. Then trade back into the 2nd round to grab our TE, using a 3rd & 4th. We can use the rest our day 3 picks for DT, OL, RB and a developmental QB.

    • ElephantRider's avatar ElephantRider says:

      Defense needs help. The debate is thst they drafted defense last year so this year is offense. I don’t know…but I think they need more help on defense. They were terrible and yeah the offense didn’t help much, but the defense had plenty of blown opportunities.

      • ElephantRider's avatar ElephantRider says:

        Say what you want, but the fact they lost their starting QB weighs heavy on the offense. With RT17 coming back I just think the offense is already better than last year while the defense needs more.

  95. ElephantRider's avatar ElephantRider says:

    http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article206960344.html

    Need more than “luck” with Parker. Would be nice to be able to move him. Throw him in a draft day trade. I don’t think anyone will notice he’s gone. I sure won’t

  96. Tim,
    On the other hand, why are people treating Tannehill like he had something to do with the 2016 season. People keep bringing up that 7-1 stretch and saying it was because he played so well but in four of those 7 games he threw a combined 3 td’s, 3 int’s including 1 td and 3 int’s vs BAL. So what exactly did he do that was so great? He played just like he always did.

    The difference between ’16 and ’17 was the lack of production from the run game; especially where scoring td’s was concerned. Why that’s being ignored I don’t know.

    I do agree that we build for one more year instead of moving up to get a qb. I’d rather go with Benkert and see if he can challenge Tannehill and use the other picks to continue to build. IMO, this is the equivalent of Philly’s 7-9 season; this year. Next year, to me, is the year we take the next step; the year after we make the changes, acquire some key additions and then add to it the following year.

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