Wedge Scouting Report: Maurice Hurst, Michigan

It’s not all fun and games being an intergalactic agent.  You make quite a few enemies when you threaten the entire existence of everyone on the planet.

And sometimes – you even get caught and have to accept whatever the local punishment is for your crimes…

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Like that pesky Sarlacc Pit…

OUCH!!! (turning to an alien poking him in the back with a spear) Okay already…I’m moving…I’m moving!

Having to jump into the Sarlacc Pit is one of those uncomfortable realities you have to accept – kind of like when the Dolphins released Ndamukong Suh.  Having to look at defensive tackles in this draft is sort of like rotting in a belly for 100 years for some of us.  But we have to accept it.

So let’s take a look at Maurice Hurst:

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The Positives:  So offense you want to snap the ball and run your play…well Hurst is going to be in the backfield before you know it, so look out.  Hurst is a penetrator and was one of the most disruptive forces in college football in 2017.  That’s his game – once the ball is snapped Hurst demonstrates the type of initial quickness to get in the backfield to kill the play before it gets started.

In three years at Michigan, Hurst gathered 13.5 sacks including 5 and 5.5 over the last tow years.  He also had 32 tackles for a loss in his career surpassing 10 in each of the last tow years.

Hurst is very good against the run and against the pass.  He gets immediate penetration right up the middle.  That’s the kind of pressure a team can use against a team like the Patriots.

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The Negatives:  Far be it from this stringbean alien to call some one that is 280 pounds light, but that is undersized for an NFL defensive tackle.  Because he is undersized, Hurst is one of the few prospects scouts appear to universally agree about.  Almost everyone says he’s a 3 technique defensive tackle in an NFL 4-3.  Hurst did some play some nose tackle at Michigan and occasionally he was overpowered, so most people don’t project he will hold up very well in the NFL at NT.

Hurst was excused from the NFL Combine with a medical red flag.  Its a heart condition that cam up during his freshman year at Michigan, so its not a surprise to Hurst, but it might hurt his stock.  Hurst has since been cleared to play in the NFL and recently had a very good performance at Michigan’s pro day.

His favorite team growing up was the Patriots – so yuk.

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The Alien Dust:  That heart condition might be a blessing in disguise for a team like the Dolphins.  You might recall a heart condition caused Star Lotulelei to drop a few years ago in the draft.  Lotulelei has had a pretty good NFL career so far despite the draft day drop.  Lotulelei was a more highly coveted prospect that Hurst is.  So I wonder, will this projected first rounder drop into the 2nd round?  If he does – he’s a steal in the 2nd round.

I mentioned his favorite team was the Patriots.  That’s because his mom was a Patriots cheerleader.  His father, who he has never met, was a defensive back for the Patriots who wore the number 37.  That’s why Hurst wears the number 73, the inverse of 37.  Doesn’t sound like a great relationship there.

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Maurice Hurst is this year draft’s version of The Sarlacc Pitt

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You can watch his highlights here

 

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817 Responses to Wedge Scouting Report: Maurice Hurst, Michigan

  1. mf13ss says:
    March 27, 2018 at 8:43 pm
    And according to Spotrac, the best ‘OUT’ for the Rams ridding themselves of Brockers is ’19.
    Seems Brockers is staying put in LA this year.

    ++++++++++++++++++++
    and that’s what I figured. I jumped on Armando’s suggestion that Brocker’s could be traded because of his cap hit but when Suh was being seen as the NT then it wouldn’t make sense since they would need Brocker’s to play along side of him.

    we always complain about how national sports media knows nothing about our team and this is a similar example; Armando failing to see what’s going on

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      Armando in not national, but I think he is too busy trying to be some kind of a star in his own right so he constantly degrades the team management.

  2. There’s only 1 guy I’m good with moving up for and that’s Rosen. He’s the one guy in this draft who is our franchise qb going forward. Smart kid, excellent football I.Q. and has the ability to challenge Tannehill and make him expendable right out of the gate and the ability to transform the offense with him at the qb position.

  3. ElephantRider says:

    The 7-1 stretch with RT17 as starting QB in 2016 he threw 13 TDs and 5 INT. I don’t know where you get your stats from.
    Ajayi did not rush over a 100 yards in the final 5 games of that 7-1 stretch.

  4. I can’t believe Suh is happy playing NT in a 3-4. Wasn’t the narrative about switching to a 3-4 in Miami always about Suh not wanting to play NT?

  5. ElephantRider says:

    I’m neither a Tannehater or Tannelover. I think he gets unfair criticism at times and isn’t a horrible QB. He needs to up his game and I’m sure he knows the clock is ticking. The whole team needs to step it up.

  6. naplesfan2010 says:

    Just for once, I’d like to see a season play out with all our guys performing at about 90% of max talent across the board. No hurricanes, no skipping bye weeks, no pitiful OL or bunch of bums at DB or TE or anywhere, no coaches or #3 picks on drugs, no massive injuries wiping out whole positions, no wack jobs at HC, GM, LB, etc. no bullying scandals, nothing but straight up football.

    This franchise needs to get its feet on the ground and get some traction, see who our best players really are, replace the rest and then build on that.

    and FAST I mean.

  7. Rockphin says:

    So now I know what a catch is!

    According to the rule change and or clarification here is what a catch is

    1. Control
    2. Two feet down or another body part
    3. A football move such as
    A third step, reaching or extending for the goal line
    Or the ability to perform such an act

    Okay I’m really not sure what a catch is

    That last part throws me

  8. wyoming85 says:

    MF13 you could always read the books?

    • wyoming85 says:

      I know it’s an old school concept!
      But if it makes you feel any better I don’t actually buy the physical books anymore I read them on my Kindle, or online! 😉

  9. sb7mvp says:

    Mike E. says:
    March 27, 2018 at 7:16 pm

    I don’t see us as SB bound this year, or even deep playoff contenders, so I have no problem getting our QB, and then building around that QB in the next few drafts.

    Tim Knight says:
    March 27, 2018 at 7:23 pm
    Nobody saw that with the Eagles off of 7-9 either. Sometimes a season is special. It’s not like we have no talent. We also don’t know who we’ll have after the draft. Things change quickly in this league.
    ___________________________
    Mike,
    This is why the FO needs to be honest as well as the posters on this board. If we want to see playoffs this year and future years after this one, trading up for a QB this year is going to keep that from happening. However, if they are willing to take a step back this year and look for the next 10 years then yes, go for it.

    Tim,
    Comparing the Eagles to this team is pretty intellectually dishonest though. Our team has been in constant turmoil since the beginning of the salary cap era and they have been perennially successful. From the FO, to the coaching, to the roster they are superior. You can’t honestly look at the two teams and our two situations and make a comparison for hope in regards to trading up for a QB this year and say in the same breath that it’s possible we’ll have a special year like the Eagles did last year. Can it happen? Yeah, anything is pretty much possible, but it’s not realistic.

  10. ocalarob says:

    would anyone like to give up our 1st…2nd and 4th…and probably a mid rnd selection next year for Mayfield???

  11. sb7mvp says:

    professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:

    March 28, 2018 at 5:37 am

    go look again. 3 td’s, 3 int’s in 4 of those 7 wins which he so masterfully played
    ____

    There’s more to playing QB than just throwing TD’s in order to get victories and you know this. Also, don’t strawman my response like you did with ER. You’re still cherry picking stats in order to give a biased look at Tannehill. You didn’t want to draft him, we get it. Pretty much everyone here knows what he is and what he isn’t. There’s no need to take things people are saying and hyperbolize them so you can argue against it.

  12. How am I cherry picking? 4 of 7 is a majority of games and in the one loss everyone seems to want to ignore he threw 1 td and 3 ints. Look at the TEN game before that stretch. Or doesn’t it fit the narrative.

  13. The Flying Pig says:

    I don’t understand Suh at NT either

    I find it hard to beleive he signed with the Rams tonplay NT

  14. ElephantRider says:

    Like SB7 said… we all know what RT17 is and isn’t. The way he was playing before the injury shows to me that he’s capable of being a really good QB. Will he consistently put it together? We’ll find out.

    • Mike E. says:

      That’s the thing. I think even the people here who are willing to give Tannehill the time of day realize his ceiling isn’t much higher than the way he played the last 9 games of the ’16 season. On the other hand, I have no problem getting a QB this year, even trading up for one, because we’re in a great spot with Tannehill contract wise. We have him under contract so he can play while our young QB learns the NFL. In 2 years, if our QB is ready, or even next year, if it’s clear that Tanny isn’t the guy, and the new QB is, we can either try to trade Tanny, or just cut him. I don’t see losing an extra 1st RD pick, and maybe another 3rd RD pick this year and next year, destroying our team. It would be ideal if say if Mayfield was the QB we want if he just fell to #11, but I’m not sure that M-T-P can control himself and take a chance on that happening, and I actually get it. If you see the QB you want, get him. It makes more sense than trading 3 picks for DT3 or LC3 in my mind

  15. Mike E. says:

    SB – You think Tim is being intellectually dishonest? Is it possible, or more likely he’s just being dishonest? 😉

  16. pheloniusphish says:

    Dan Marino had a game against Dallas where he threw 0 TD aside 5 INT. Guess they should have cut him then.

    • pheloniusphish says:

      That was 1999. They could have really saved themselves heartache if they would have cut him in 1987 after he threw 0 TD and 3 INT against Buffalo. Obviously a sign of things to come.

  17. pheloniusphish says:

    Then there was that Montana guy in ‘94 – 0 TD and 3 INT against the Rams. What a loser!

  18. Ken says:

    I can’t believe we are debating Tannehill this much. The last time he played we were a playoff bound team and he had a QBR over 90. He didn’t play last year and we were 6-10 and his replacement had a QBR in the 70s.

  19. Mike E. says:

    I can’t believe it’s opening day for MLB tomorrow! Crazy!

  20. wyoming85 says:

    Don’t tell The Pig about this guy!

  21. wyoming85 says:

  22. wyoming85 says:

  23. sb7mvp says:

    Cespedes

  24. wyoming85 says:

    You’ll never guess!

  25. Tim Knight says:

    sb7, I was talking about the Eagles in recent years, not since the FA period started. They were not a good team in 2016 and then they were in 2017. That’s all I was saying.

    • sb7mvp says:

      Right, but they weren’t a good team the year they traded up for a QB, which is what the context of the discussion was about. There was also more to their success than just a QB change and getting lucky. The FO and coaching staff had well thought out and executed plans. Ours hasn’t.

      • Tim Knight says:

        The season hasn’t happened yet. We have never seen the current team play yet. We don’t know who we drafted yet. Let’s also see where Tannehill is at. All I’m saying is it’s possible.

        I also pointed out that it wasn’t just about the Eagles getting Wentz. They had one of those seasons where it all comes together.

  26. Rockphin says:

    When this mock started and Mayfield fell to 11 I thought well this is going to fuck up my whole draft. Then my targets stayed on the board WAY past when they should have. Into the next round even. I would be tickled to pissing myself if this could happen.

    YOUR TEAM
    MIAMI DOLPHINS
    YOUR PICKS
    1: R1P11 QB BAKER MAYFIELD OKLAHOMA
    2: R2P10 G BILLY PRICE OHIO STATE
    3: R3P9 TE DALLAS GOEDERT SOUTH DAKOTA STATE
    4: R4P23 LB SHAQUEM GRIFFIN CENTRAL FLORIDA
    5: R4P31 RB KALEN BALLAGE ARIZONA STATE
    6: R6P35 K EDDY PINIERO FLORIDA
    7: R7P9 FB DIMITRI FLOWERS OKLAHOMA
    8: R7P11 S GODWIN IGWEBUIKE NORTHWESTERN

  27. Rockphin says:

    ocalarob says:
    March 28, 2018 at 7:56 am
    would anyone like to give up our 1st…2nd and 4th…and probably a mid rnd selection next year for Mayfield???

    Reply
    wyoming85 says:
    March 28, 2018 at 8:21 am
    No!

    Reply

    Wyoming85, you left something out. Not just no, but F**K NO!

  28. Rockphin says:

    Ok, who predicted that Jax would be playing in the AFC conference game last year? anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

    Yes, Miami CAN make the Superbowl this year. Every season teams drop out that made it the year before and teams that were bottom feeders move up 10 wins. SOOOO much of the game is luck and / or match ups. A safety has a bad day and gives up a TD that seals a game, or a ref calls a penalty or doesn’t call a penalty, or the ball bounces funny. Too much chance goes into every game to say we can’t win the superbowl this year.

  29. Rockphin says:

    Mark freakin Sanchez made it to two AFC championships. Ryan Freaking Tannehill certainly can!

  30. I didn’t cherry pick. I SAID in 4 of the 7 games that people claim Tannehill WON for us he played less than stellar.

  31. And Tim started it when he brought up the 7-1 stretch and made the claim it was because of Tannehill’s play

    • Tim Knight says:

      I said he helped us do that, not that it was all him. I never give the QB all the credit. He played well, efficient, not great. It’s a fact, not an opinion, it happened. He had one bad game during that stretch against the Ravens but so did the entire team, we got our asses kicked 38-6.

  32. ocalarob says:

    Well, for all you wanting to move up and get Mayfield, that’s what it will take.
    ________________________________________________________

    Rockphin says:
    March 28, 2018 at 10:55 am
    ocalarob says:
    March 28, 2018 at 7:56 am
    would anyone like to give up our 1st…2nd and 4th…and probably a mid rnd selection next year for Mayfield???

    Reply
    wyoming85 says:
    March 28, 2018 at 8:21 am
    No!

    Reply

    Wyoming85, you left something out. Not just no, but F**K NO!

    • Tim Knight says:

      It depends on where we need to go to trade up. I think you need to get to no less than 6 and that’s going to be more expensive than what is listed here. More like a 1 and 2 this year and next year.

  33. ocalarob says:

    It will take more than Tannehill dropping back like the statue of liberty with her dress up to have offensive success, it will take a consistent running game where D’s will have to game plan to stop the run diverting resources from pass pro, then Tannehill might look sharp.

    Drake is not that back, Gore is if he can stay healthy at his age

    • Mike E. says:

      I expect us to draft a RB in this draft that will help as well. We can’t just go forth with those 2 (Drake and Gore), and whoever else we have on the roster, like Senorise Perry or Brandon Radcliff

    • Rockphin says:

      You are wrong on many levels in this post Rob.

      First, you are reverting back to Henne days. Tannehill doesn’t drop back like a statue, his is actually (statistically) better on the move.

      Drake IS that kind of back as he showed after he took over last year. You are so far off base about Defenses having to game plan for Ajayi. That is a fantasy in your head. It never happened. He had THREE great games. Two against buffalo. The rest of the year he was mediocre. He reverted to mediocre the beginning of this year.

  34. Rockphin says:

    in 2016 the dolphins had a new coach, new OC, new offensive system with new offensive terminology that very few on the offense were familiar with and it took several games to get up to speed. after a while it clicked and the team INCLUDING Tannehill started playing well. It WAS NOT Ajayi only as some have tried to postulate. Ajayi had THREE great games. the rest were average to below average. Tannehill was part

    • Tim Knight says:

      This debate is tiresome. Perception trumps reality.

      We’ll just have to see what kind of team we are in 2018. Not what the psychics say, what actually happens. 🙂

  35. sb7mvp says:

    You guys keep ignoring key facts that went into the success of other teams when they had good years following bad ones. Like I said before, it’s possible, but it’s not probable. Let’s live in reality.

    • sb7mvp says:

      Also, I have this discussion with the same people every 2-3 years.

    • Tim Knight says:

      It’s possible but not probable? Why not? You have no idea what the 2018 team will look like.

      Everyone focuses on this offseason and the draft. There are a bunch of other players on the team that can have breakout seasons. That’s just as important as anything we do this offseason.

  36. wyoming85 says:

  37. BailBondMike says:

    Any talk about trading up for a QB should be considered insanity. We have a serviceable QB with a revamped OL and a ton of weapons and likely to add more with a TE or 2 and another RB. To trade up for one is just plain crazy. White, Ferguson and Falk can be taken in the mid rounds. If they take Mayfield at 11 and Nelson or Raq were there, I will be pissed!

  38. Rockphin says:

    When Raekwon goes to the probowl this year….

  39. wyoming85 says:

  40. wyoming85 says:

    • D says:

      Thats kinda the way the Patriots did with Garopolo this time of year last year. Just put something stupid out there and said if you are dumb enough make the deal and if not stfu and lets quiet down this noise.

  41. D says:

    SB7 i know what you are saying about trading up and trading away draft capitol but loss of even a first in a future draft isnt that big of a deal. If we were taling about giving up 3 future firsts or something crazy, sure i completely agree with that, but if there is a reasonable price on that trade up, i dont see there being a reason not to do it if you are finding a potential franchise player.

    IMO Allen is that type of guy, Mayfield maybe be as well, Rosen too. Im not as high on the latter two as i am on Allen but people in the know seem to be, so im just going off what seems to be their opinion of it. Its hard to say what kind of damage it will do to us until we know what kind of damage we are talking about.

    I guess im assuming we wouldn’t do it unless it was reasonable, maybe you are assuming MTP will sell the farm. I guess a couple questions i have to gauge why you have that opinion is what do you think the offer would have to be to move up, and what do you think is too much to give up to get a guy who our coaches believe is “the guy”.

  42. D says:

    BBMike, no offense but how is it insanity to trade up, if thats what it takes, to get the player you want. Outside looking in, we dont have a clue how much the team values a certain player, we only perceive what we feel like is just compensation. If they make the deal then by definition he was worth it, and it wouldnt be an insane deal because teams do it all the time in the same position we are in. Hell the Chiefs did it just last year. You do what need to to get the player you want, there are no insane moves, there are just moves that dont work out as planned and hindsight makes them look like insane moves.

    • D says:

      I dont really think i have seen too many “insane” trade ups, outside maybe the RG3 one, which to me wasnt so much the trade up that was insane but the 3 firsts they gave up to make that move. Philly’s trade up wasnt crazy to me, Chicagos was borderline just because that was way too much to move up one flippin spot lol. KC’s wasn’t insane to me. None of those really screamed insanity and it wouldn’t scream insanity to me if we did it this year.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        A lot of people defended the RG3 trade up at the time

        “If you think it’s your guy then you have to go for it”

        I hear the same about the Dolphins trading up now
        And that’s why I don’t want to trade up…lol

      • D says:

        Im not against them trading up, but i also know what a logical compensation is for that move, those guys for sure know what the logical compensation for that move would be, so if it isnt one of those well we went WAY outside logical compensation then i cant see it being a bad move. Not to get a QB that you really believe in.

  43. Rockphin says:

    I keep seeing reference to MTP. Is that short for Mikey Trady Pants?

  44. Tim Knight says:

    I remember Su’a Cravens being in a lot of mock simulators on here. I wonder why Washington moved on fro him?

  45. Rockphin says:

    Trade up? NO! Trade back and get more picks? YES..

  46. wyoming85 says:

    My guess he is going to need a job soon?

    • wyoming85 says:

  47. Rockphin says:

    We are DOOMED! DOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMEEEED!!

    There is no way any of the 64 players currently on the roster, who’s average age is 25.85 years old can possible get any better.

  48. Rockphin says:

    we only have 8 players on the roster who are 30 or older. Cam Wake is the oldest at 36. Oh, wait Denney is 39. DAMN! we better draft a LS! I will modify my upcoming mocks…..

  49. D says:

    Tim Knight says:
    March 27, 2018 at 8:57 pm

    D, any team looking to get into the top 6 outside of the top 10 is going to get fleeced.

    Let’s say we love Mayfield and trade up to #2. What do you think that will cost?
    What do you think that will cost at #4?
    I doubt Denver trades down. I think they stay put or trade up for a QB.
    What do you think that will cost at #6?

    My guess would be minimum, the obvious swap of a 1st this year along with a 2nd, and a 1st and 2nd next year. For a QB who won’t be penciled in as a starter in 2018 and is unproven, on a team that is constructed to compete this year. It doesn’t make sense to me.

    You don’t sign vet players if you’re starting over. Trading up for a QB says Ryan we don’t believe in you. Drafting a QB with a pick does not.
    ——————————————————–
    Sorry just responding to that. I think this is at the core of the trade up debate, ie what we think will take in compensation.

    I think it will take a swap of 1sts, next years 1 and maybe as much as a second this year, which would technically be giving them more in trade value than we are getting, but such comes with the price of a pick that’s in demand. I dont see it being what you are saying and it doesnt matter if he doesn’t take a snap this year, see the Chief and Mahomes, that’s close to what im thinking and its close to what i feel would be our scenario with the QB we drafted. Its a smart move to do things before you need them, not wait until its a situation where you are up Shit Creek with only your hands for paddles.

    I think you are too protective of Tanny, if he is the competition beast you say him to be it doesnt matter when they take a QB, if they take him at 11 or at 6 it doesnt send any different message. The message is clear, we got a guy who is going to give you competition for the starting spot, stay on your game. Signing a vet player when we dont have anything behind Tanny doesnt say oh no we arent going to draft a QB in the first or we arent trading up, it just says we have a backup plan, we also dont have to trade up, but we still could. There is a lot of assuming going on, and these moves to me dont offer clarity on our path for this drat, not even close. Its just as indeterminable as it was before we signed Osweiler.

    • Tim Knight says:

      It has nothing to do with protecting Tannehill, it’s the trade up compensation I’d be concerned with. I’m all for drafting a QB and if one we like falls to #11 I have no problem taking him.

      • D says:

        Why would oyu have a problem with trading up? If thats a guy our FO and coaches want, why is it a problem?

      • D says:

        And i mentioned the protecting Tanny because you said “Trading up for a QB says Ryan we don’t believe in you.” So it seemed to me you are concenred with what that moves does to his confidence, ie we need to protect him from that.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Giving up too much compensation for one guy who may not impact our team this year or even next year. It would effect our ability to add impact players at other positions that we could really use.

        If we do trade up, I’ll deal with it. LOL

  50. Rockphin says:

    I can’t answer for Tim, on why he wouldn’t trade up, but for me it’s a numbers thing. The more picks you have the higher percentage of getting some right. If you trade away all your good picks for one player who you THINK has potential you are lowering your odds by a yuge amount. YUGE.

  51. pheloniusphish says:

    I think that the value of draft picks is way overrated given the low success rate of the players picked.

  52. Randy says:

    It’s likely that this coaching staff and FO have to win now to keep their jobs. I think that’s why they signed vet guys in FA. I think that’s why we’ll see them make draft day decisions based on the short term too. Winning 5 years from now does them no good.
    ***
    And, just my opinion on drafting QBs, but if you never take a chance and go after one…you’ll probably never get one worth keeping. Typically, great QBs don’t just fall in your lap on draft day unless you’re drafting in the to 3. Most teams have to make moves to go get one. Going after a QB in round one this year isn’t going to hamstring the franchise for a decade. And, if it works, nobody will give a shit how many draft picks you had to give up to get one.

  53. Rockphin says:

    None of the QB’s in this draft (or any draft for that matter) are GUARANTEED to be better than Tannehill, this year or in the future. Why trade away your best chance to get good players (I.e. more tries at it)

  54. Rockphin says:

    It would effect our ability to add impact players at other positions that we could really use.

    I agree, similar to the wasteful contract given to Suh limited our ability to keep / get impactful free agents.

  55. sb7mvp says:

    Tim Knight says:

    March 28, 2018 at 1:56 pm

    Giving up too much compensation for one guy who may not impact our team this year or even next year. It would effect our ability to add impact players at other positions that we could really use.
    ___
    lol. I basically said this for the last two pages and you argued against it.

    • Tim Knight says:

      No I did not. I have never said I’m for trading up for one of these QBs. You’re thinking of someone else.

  56. Tim Knight says:

    D, you can’t trade up for a QB – give up a lot of compensation and not play the guy for two years. Meaning if the team believes in Tannehill like they say they do, a trade like this contradicts that. So let’s say RT plays well in 2018 and we have a good season. He’s going to be the starter in 2019 so now that rookie QB sits again? Or do we look to trade him and hope the new QB steps in seamlessly and we continue our winning ways? You got things rolling and then you possibly stopped that progress. Also in that scenario, you don’t have top picks in 2019 either to get better. That’s a risky proposition.

  57. Randy says:

    Rock,
    Ya can’t win if you don’t play! Lol

  58. pheloniusphish says:

    If you don’t swing for the fence, you will never get to the fence.

    • Rockphin says:

      that is wrong as well. Just swing it the right way every time and you will make it to the fence. If you try to crush the ball every pitch you will strike out way more than you will hit it over the fence. EVERY TIME

  59. Rockphin says:

    Which of these guys, or how many of them would you trade away next years first round pick and this years 2nd round pick for?

    Jameis Winston, Florida State, Buccaneers

    2. Marcus Mariota, Oregon, Titans

    3. Blake Bortles, Central Florida, Jaguars

    22. Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M, Browns

    32. Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville, Vikings

    16. EJ Manuel, Florida State, Bills

    1. Andrew Luck, Stanford, Colts

    2. Robert Griffin III, Baylor, Redskins

    8. Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M, Dolphins

    22. Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State, Browns

    1. Cam Newton, Auburn, Panthers

    8. Jake Locker, Washington, Titans

    10. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, Jaguars

    12. Christian Ponder, Florida State, Vikings

    1. Sam Bradford, Oklahoma, Rams

    25. Tim Tebow, Florida, Broncos

    1. Matthew Stafford, Georgia, Lions

    5. Mark Sanchez, USC, Jets

    17. Josh Freeman, Kansas State, Buccaneers

    3. Matt Ryan, Boston College, Falcons

    18. Joe Flacco, Delaware, Ravens

    1. JaMarcus Russell, LSU, Raiders

    22. Brady Quinn, Notre Dame, Browns

    • wyoming85 says:

      1 Luck

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I agree
        Maybe Matt Ryan which is painful for me to say given the Jake Long pick
        That’s the only one worth it
        Winston, Stafford, Tannehill, Newton are next up
        And imo they are only worth a first rounder

        The way people ratiolize the value of picks is bullshit
        There are so many misses and so many players that aren’t really much better than the next pick or 10 picks later

  60. wyoming85 says:

    • D says:

      Completely agree with this, there is no certainty of anything IMO and thats a sign of a pretty good off season so far because we could go in a ton of different direction from trade ups to trade backs to stay puts and we could select any number of different positions and could have any number of different draft strategies because of flexibility. Onpaper right now we have a solid base team to build around.

      Thats basically what i have been getting at, all these we cant do this and we shouldnt do thats, in some other years sure there were obvious things we had to do, not so much this year. Its a wait and see for me because ive tried to piece togher what i thinks best and/or what i think they will do and ones strategy is about as good as another. I just want them to get the players they want.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I can tell he is missing the receiver in that pick

      What are the odds? I say it’s about 44% chance of being a miss 😛

  61. D says:

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 11: Mayfield, Baker, QB, Oklahoma (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 10: Wynn, Isaiah, OG, Georgia (A)
    Round 3 Pick 9: Chubb, Nick, RB, Georgia (A+)
    Round 4 Pick 23: Schultz, Dalton, TE, Stanford (A+)
    Round 4 Pick 30: Leonard, Darius, OLB/ILB, South Carolina State (A+)
    Round 6 Pick 35: Jones, Justin, DT, North Carolina State (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 5: Pineiro, Eddy, K, Florida (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 11: Webb, Damon, SS, Ohio State (A+)

  62. mf13ss says:

  63. The Flying Pig says:

    If you are not reading this post at this moment, you aren’t reading it right now

    • D says:

      If you are reading it you are both currently reading it and for the words before this one you have also formally read it and for the words after this one you will soon be reading it.

  64. Rockphin says:

    My Answer to my question above is NONE! (some others might say Luck or Newton, but they haven’t been “Great” the whole time since they were drafted either. .

    of 23 first round QB’s above how many are “Franchise” guys?

    • Tim Knight says:

      A franchise QB is a guy you’re committed to. You might mean elite?

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Matt Ryan has had the best career in that group

      Let that sink in…

      Oh Parcells, fuck you

    • D says:

      At the time they were drafted, a bunch of them….. Mr hindsight… btw ya left out a bunch too, Aaron Rogers, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Troy Aikman, Dan Marino, John Elway, Jim Kelley,

      All 3 of last years 1st round QB’s played pretty well and look to have have promising careers ahead, all 3 will be starting this year.All but one of the first rounders last year made the playoffs with their team, one lead their team to a Superbowl (though it was finished off by a different QB). The two from the year before have been starters from day 1, neither are setting records but their teams still consider them their franchise guy. Bridgewater is the only good one from 2014, and had it not been for a brutal injury he could be on a playoff team himself.

      I mean you can paint this how ya feel but i think there is plenty of indication that you get what you pay for with a 1st round QB. Its no more a guarantee than any other pick in the first, but again, there are a lot of success stories too.

  65. Rockphin says:

    How many SB’s has Luck won Wyoming? Is he still the same player after 1 1/2 years of not playing and blowing out his throwing shoulder? Should the Colts be drafting his replacement this year like the Dolphins should be?

  66. When I think about the prospect of taking Mayfield it actually makes me like the idea of Tannehill starting

  67. Randy says:

    Any one of these top 4-5 QBs has just as much potential as Tannehill coming out of college, so saying they aren’t “sure things” is kind of ridiculous and pointless. Rarely, if ever, is any QB a sure thing coming out of college, but you still gotta draft one sooner or later. I get it. Some think Tannehill can win games. Personally, I don’t think we will ever compete for a championship with him at QB, so I have no problem trying to find a better QB. If you think he can, then you probably have no desire to give up picks to draft another one.
    ***
    If we are sticking with Tannehill for the long haul, then we damn well better start drafting/building a whole lot better defense. Even in what some around here consider a good year for Tannehill in 2016, we were still middle of the pack in scoring offense. Around 17th if I remember correctly. That sort of scoring isn’t gonna win championships unless you have a phenomenal defense.

    • pheloniusphish says:

      I think Tannehill can win a championship and I still wouldn’t mind a high pick QB. And if they believe in a guy enough to move up, so be it. I’ve said it before, at worst Tannehill plays better or the same and remains the starter. At best they get an elite QB.

  68. Rockphin says:

    Only one of the guys on my list above has a superbowl ring…..

    • D says:

      So you cherry picked then? Wentz has a ring. Also, you left off a ton of guy like Brees and Rogers, both have rings both are 1st rounders. Peyton manning was a 1st rounder he has 2 rings. Eli Manning has two rings and he was a 1st rounder. Ben Roethlisberger, 3 rings.

      • D says:

        Go look at the guys appearing in the playoffs almost every year and see what round the QB they had was taken in, and for the love of god done bring up the 6th rounder Brady discussion, because you know as well as i do that shit does not happen very often. Infact go look at the round the QB’s who have played in the superbowl have been from historically. You cannot have this argument.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I don’t think those guys met the criteria of what he was saying. You would trade up for the guys you mentioned.

  69. wyoming85 says:

    • Tim Knight says:

      Yeah I read he’s a guy who’s gonna be valued as a guy who can lineup somewhere on the OL not necessarily LT.

  70. wyoming85 says:

  71. D says:

    “Are we taking a guy just to take a guy? I mean I’d love to add a quarterback as much as anybody else but at the same time, I want it to be the right guy for us.” —- Gase

    This is why trading up or trading back or staying still makes no damn difference, if its the right guy they should make whatever move they feel is right.

    Who here really is going to flip their shit if we trade up and take a guy, and would it depend on the guy they took? There is a lot that is answer by that question.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I always just go with the flow because none of us control anything. But as fans we discuss what we would or wouldn’t do. To me trading up for a QB when you’re committed to a guy already doesn’t make much sense. If they fall to you, great, that’s one pick. I’m very surprised that all of a sudden giving away multiple high picks is no biggie to some of you now. When we trade mid picks to move up people lose their shit!!! Like a 4th to move up in the 2nd to get Howard, or the Carroo trade.

      Trading a future 1st and multiple 2nd’s is risky business when you’re building your team to compete now.

      All this debate is about is some are cool with going for it, and some don’t think this is the right time. There is no right or wrong answer.

  72. Rockphin says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    March 28, 2018 at 2:26 pm
    Matt Ryan has had the best career in that group

    Let that sink in…

    Flacco is the only one with a ring.

    Just goes to show the falseness of people perceptions regarding needing a first round QB to win a SB.

  73. wyoming85 says:

    That’s a new angle?

  74. Rockphin says:

    D, I didn’t go back through the entire history of the draft! I only went back 10 years. I thought 10 years was a pretty fucking good sample size! I was’t cherry picking. I left out rookies because their isn’t enough information back for most of them. (Although first reaction seems it was a pretty good draft) Wetz has a ring because of the back up QB. he didn’t win a superbowl.

  75. Rockphin says:

    And Brees wasn’t a first round pick, so thanks again for helping MY argument. 😉

  76. wyoming85 says:

  77. wyoming85 says:

    I personally don’t see a QB worth trading up for!
    But I could have a broken Jr GM Decoder ring ?

  78. wyoming85 says:

    11: R1P11 G QUENTIN NELSON. NOTRE DAME
    42: R2P10 WR CALVIN RIDLEY, ALABAMA
    73: R3P9 TE HAYDEN HURST, S. CAROLINA
    123: R4P23 LB DARIUS LEONARD, S. CAROLINA ST.
    131: R4P31 QB MIKE WHITE, WESTERN KENTUCKY

  79. Rockphin says:

    So, D, which of those guys is worth trading away your multiple high picks for? what is the percentage over the last 10 years of “elite” QB’s taken in the first round?

    There have been MORE QB’s taken after the first round to have won superbowls than there have been first rounders. Check that stat…..

    • D says:

      Superbowl LII Brady & Wentz (1st round) because i cannot see how you can say they get here without the way he was playing before he got hurt.

      Superbowl LI Matt Ryan (1st round) vs Brady 6th

      Superbowl L Peyton Manning (1st) vs Cam Newton (1st)

      Superbowl XLIX Brady 6th vs Wilson 3rd — neither 1sts

      Superbowl XLVIII Wilson 3rd vs Manning (1st)

      Superbowl XLVII Flacco (1st) vs Kaepernick (1st)

      Superbowl XLVI Eli Manning 1st vs Brady 6th

      Superbowl XLV Aaron Rogers 1st vs Ben Roethlisberger 1st

      Superbowl XLIV Brees (sorry i thought he was last pick in the 1st not 1st pick in the 2nd) vs Peyton Manning 1st

      Superbowl XLIII Roethlisberger 1st vs Warner UDFA

      Superbowl XLII Eli Manning 1st vs Brady 6th

      Superbowl XLI Peyton Manning 1st vs Rex Grossman 1st

      Superbowl XL Ben Reothlisberger 1st vs Matt Hasselbeck 6th

      Superbowl Donovan McNabb 1st vs Tom Brady 6th

      ——————————————————————————
      Just how many of these do you see where there wasnt a 1st round QB involved in the Superbowl? 1 Also if you look at it objectively, you see that the repeat offenders on the list, ie the guys who are winding up in the superbowl the most, outside the freakzoid deflatgate long inappropriate mouth kisser of young boys they are the 1st round QB’s. I mean if you were on to something with your list then no one would bother taking a QB first, there wouldnt be year after year after year of 1st round QB’s being selected. Im sorry man, there is no justification to your argument. Im not saying you cant get a good QB in later rounds, but the great ones generally come from the first.

  80. mf13ss says:

    So I see we’re back to discussing Tannehill through the frames of both Tanne-lovers and Tanne-haters. The more things change, the more things stay the same! LOL

    • Tim Knight says:

      It’s not about love or hate with Tannehill, those are your labels. It’s about the situation of the team and how it’s being being constructed. If the team is committed to Tannehill for 2018 at the least, do you think trading multiple high draft picks for one of these QBs makes sense? I do not.

  81. Rockphin says:

    I’m not discussing Tannehill. I discussing wasting draft equity to move up for low percentage gambles. The whole draft is a gamble. Maximize your odds is my argument. Don’t throw away picks for someone who MOST LIKELY will not make “THE” difference. as my list of the last 10 years of first round QB’s shows. Only one has a ring and he is not universally considered Elite. One could argue that NONE of the first round QB’s listed are Elite.

  82. mf13ss says:

    Tim and Rockphin,

    To address you BOTH above… NO, I can’t see trading up for a QB this year. We’ve too many other holes to fill via the Draft (building).

    What’s more, IF Gase is the ‘QB whisperer’ that we’ve all been told, we’ll have major success drafting a mid-round QB.

    Do NOT sleep on Logan Woodside.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Except for TE, I don’t think we have many holes. We just want more talent to create more competition and depth that results in a better team.

      We can line up and play right now and be competitive IMO. But with a draft still in our future, we can be even better. Giving up high draft compensation for a guy who won’t be starting seems dumb.

      If we were not all in with Tannehill, it would be another story. But if that was the case and you were unsure if you could land this new promising QB but you’re going to try, you don’t trade for Quinn, bring back Hayes and add Frank Gore. You move on from more vet salaries, go young and go total rebuild. But we’re not doing that. The approach the FO has taken does not match trading up for a QB.

      • mf13ss says:

        Give me our TE either in the late-1st or early-2nd. That’s not too difficult to do… especially if we trade around like MTP* does.

  83. mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    March 28, 2018 at 3:09 pm
    It’s not about love or hate with Tannehill, those are your labels…
    ————-
    “Label” is such a strong word for it, as it implies one thing or the other. I think you’ve got me 100% WRONG, being I’m in the middle of a HARD RIGHT or HARD LEFT.

    I’m in the middle as it concerns Tannehill, as I witness MUCH fiction from both sides of the so-called ‘aisle’… and I think YOU see it too. As such, I’m not ‘labeling’… I’m just calling it as I see it, Bro.

    • Tim Knight says:

      My opinion that Tannehill is not the shit QB some others think he is does not mean I love him or think he’s great. I think he’s better than a lot of people give him credit for. There is much more hate for the guy than love. Most of us here who support Tannehill aren’t extreme about him. The ones who dislike him are. That’s what I see. But it doesn’t matter anyway, all that matters is what the team thinks of him.

  84. Rockphin says:

    But I will repeat myself. If Gase decides he wants to take one of the QB’s available at #11. I will not freak out like my Avatar. I’m not afraid of getting competition for Tannehill I just believe in taking BPA and drafting as many players as possible rather than signing them through FA.

    I believe we MUST take a QB this year in the draft. I just don’t feel the desperation of some of the haters on here to get rid of a good player that they hate for irrational reasons.

  85. mf13ss says:

  86. Mike E. says:

    Look at the QB’s who were in the playoffs last year, and then explain to me how taking a QB in RD 1 is stupid, even if you have to trade up. It’s NOT stupid to trade up, but as with any other pick, you might be wrong in your assessment of that player, and how fast they will be ready to play, and how quickly they can change your teams fortunes. Great QB play can do that, but everything else has to work too in order get great QB play.

    • D says:

      None of the assertions being made hold water, look at my list below and you see a 1st round QB has led a team to the superbowl every year except one. I looked at the list going even further back and it doesnt change and most the time its a 1st round QB vs a 1st round QB.

      • Mike E. says:

        Yeah man, it’s silly talk. The odds of finding a great QB in the rounds other than the first RD significantly drop each round. Sure, some gems can be found, but those gems can be found at any position, so what’s the big deal with trading up?

  87. D says:

    Superbowl LII Brady & Wentz (1st round) because i cannot see how you can say they get here without the way he was playing before he got hurt.

    Superbowl LI Matt Ryan (1st round) vs Brady 6th

    Superbowl L Peyton Manning (1st) vs Cam Newton (1st)

    Superbowl XLIX Brady 6th vs Wilson 3rd — neither 1sts

    Superbowl XLVIII Wilson 3rd vs Manning (1st)

    Superbowl XLVII Flacco (1st) vs Kaepernick (1st)

    Superbowl XLVI Eli Manning 1st vs Brady 6th

    Superbowl XLV Aaron Rogers 1st vs Ben Roethlisberger 1st

    Superbowl XLIV Brees (sorry i thought he was last pick in the 1st not 1st pick in the 2nd) vs Peyton Manning 1st

    Superbowl XLIII Roethlisberger 1st vs Warner UDFA

    Superbowl XLII Eli Manning 1st vs Brady 6th

    Superbowl XLI Peyton Manning 1st vs Rex Grossman 1st

    Superbowl XL Ben Reothlisberger 1st vs Matt Hasselbeck 6th

    Superbowl Donovan McNabb 1st vs Tom Brady 6th

    ——————————————————————————
    Just how many of these do you see where there wasnt a 1st round QB involved in the Superbowl? 1 Also if you look at it objectively, you see that the repeat offenders on the list, ie the guys who are winding up in the superbowl the most, outside the freakzoid deflatgate long inappropriate mouth kisser of young boys they are the 1st round QB’s. I mean if you were on to something with your list then no one would bother taking a QB first, there wouldnt be year after year after year of 1st round QB’s being selected. Im sorry man, there is no justification to your argument. Im not saying you cant get a good QB in later rounds, but the great ones generally come from the first.

  88. Mike E. says:

    Pardon me for laughing at the people who are saying we have to draft a QB, and we should take one at #11, but we shouldn’t trade up. We fucking traded up picks for a DE, for a RB, for a DT, but we can’t trade up for a QB? Nonsense! I get that it’s mostly because YOU think that none of the QB’s are worth it, but the scouts and FO for our team may feel differently, and if they do, they have my blessing to go get that QB.

  89. sb7mvp says:

    We need a TE or two
    We need a WR
    We need a RB
    We need an OG
    We need a DT
    We need a FS
    We need a QB
    We need another LB

    • Tim Knight says:

      No we don’t. LOL

    • D says:

      Thats part of the reason we cant miss with our picks lol

    • Mike E. says:

      Do we really need a WR? I’d say you’d like one more than need one. We do need a RB, and we do need a DT, and we need an OG or OT to develop. I don’t see FS as a must have, I’d like to see a season of Jones and T.J. first before drafting a S early. We need a LB, and I think we need a QB too

      • The Flying Pig says:

        On paper no we don’t need a WR

        But if 2018 Parker is like 2015-2017 Parker
        We might be saying to ourselves that we need a WR in 2019

        Without Landry, there are question marks as to the production the unit can bring

    • wyoming85 says:

      I don’t see a need for WR?
      If I had to make a priority list it would be
      TE
      LB
      RB
      DT
      FS, QB, OG, CB

  90. Tim Knight says:

    Mike, not all of us said don’t draft a QB in the 1st rd. Trading up to where we likely have to get to land one of the 4 is going to be expensive for us. The Jets traded three 2nd rd picks to move from 6 to 3. What do you think 11 to say 5 or 6 will be? Get ready to not see a 2nd this year, and a 1st and 2nd at the least next year for a guy who will not start the season as a starter. If you’re cool with that, okay. And what if Tannehill has a great season? Do we sit that QB for a 2nd season without a 1st and 2nd to get even better? Or do we trade Tannehill and go with unproven the following season? That’s where I’m coming from.

    • Mike E. says:

      No doubt you make a sacrifice to move up, but the important thing is getting the QB. You ask what happens if Tannehill does great? That’s a fantastic problem to have, and like the Chiefs with Alex Smith, we can cash right back in by trading Tannehill if they believe the guy we moved up for is the real deal, because Tannehill will be 31 next season, and if you believe in the young guy, and Tannehill had a great season, you can get back some of the picks you just gave up. That’s what you do. He would be an easy guy to trade with his current salary, we could probably get a nice haul.

  91. wyoming85 says:

  92. BailBondMike says:

    D, the reason is because I don’t see any QB’s worth trading up for. To me, none of the top 3 QB’s after Allen impress me much more than the ones who will be there in the 3rd and 4th round. Allen will probably be the first one gone so that is why I will be pissed if we traded up for one of the others. In this situation, I think the best move is to stay put and take who falls to you. If one of the top 4 QB’s falls to 11 and they take then so be it. I can live with that. We are not a team without a QB like the others who have been trading up to get one. I dont see the reason to trade up for one. I think if you checked every single one of my mocks, I have drafted a QB anywhere from round 2 to round 6 so I do see the need to get one but not in a trade up.

  93. ocalarob says:

    Rock you’re all right in my book but i don’t think you grasp the situation,

    if you want to look at stats don’t cherry pick, look at the stats, Ajayi gained 1270 yards rushing and we went to the playoffs, those are the stats. that doesn’t tell the whole story though as to why we had success.

    Ajayi may have regressed a little in other games but he was still getting the carries, this meant that teams had to step up and stop him.
    Drake is not that kind of back, sure Drake will break a few but he’s not consistent enough to move the sticks on a regular basis due to the type of RB he is, he’s upright, he out hustles and out runs people he doesn’t run them over. when he gets stuffed we get in predictable situations.

    there’s one stat that Ajayi soared over Drake and that is he lead us to the playoffs, He makes Tannehill look great because we are more balanced of an offense with a rb like Ajayi vs Drake,

    loading the box gives tanny more room to work.

    why do you think they signed a RB like Gore? Gore is/was a freak’n stud, way better than Ajayi i just hope his age isn’t a factor.

    Tannehill has his issues, he has been inaccurate deep, he stands back there like a statue and has no pocket presence whatsoever, I’m not making this shit up, it is well known,

    Tanny is at his best when he rolls right.

    I hope Gase can help Tanny with some of his issues, he seemed to play well in 16 thanks to Ajayi’s success.
    JMO
    _______________________________________________

    Rockphin says:
    March 28, 2018 at 11:35 am
    You are wrong on many levels in this post Rob.

    First, you are reverting back to Henne days. Tannehill doesn’t drop back like a statue, his is actually (statistically) better on the move.

    Drake IS that kind of back as he showed after he took over last year. You are so far off base about Defenses having to game plan for Ajayi. That is a fantasy in your head. It never happened. He had THREE great games. Two against buffalo. The rest of the year he was mediocre. He reverted to mediocre the beginning of this year.
    Reply
    pheloniusphish says:
    March 28, 2018 at 12:51 pm
    Ba-Da-Boom

  94. I don’t follow the logic of what we don’t need and why we don’t need it. Philly traded for Bradford and, granted, they did it when Kelly was there but they had their starting qb and they traded up to draft a quarterback.

    So, to me, it doesn’t matter if it appears that you don’t need players at a certain position on paper. If there’s a player there that is that good and you want to take him you take him. I don’t care that we look like we’re good at wr on paper. Parker hasn’t panned out to this point. We’ve got Amendola as a one year rental. Wilson is good but he’s not great. Round it out with Stills, Grant and a few young guys who haven’t seen the field much or at all.

    Do you take a wr at #11 if Smith or Edmunds is there? Well, if it’s Ridley it’s debatable. Are those other two the BPA compared to Ridley? Maybe. Maybe not. The team would have a tough choice in my opinion because you’ve got to score points on offense and both of those guys could be elite players at LB.

    So, I don’t think pure #’s mean anything when it comes to taking a player. We have a bigger need at TE but would you pass on Smith or Edmunds for Gesicki or Andrews? I think not.

  95. sb7mvp says:

    For those who are saying we don’t need a WR, take a look at our corps and tell me who you 100% trust to be consistently contributing throughout the season. I count one. How many have the probability to be here next year? I have no clue.

  96. There is no cherry picking of stats from that 7-1 run. There were multiple reasons why we won some of those games last season. KR for a td. Pick 6 to put it away. Two really great games rushing and another good running performance. However, Tannehill didn’t have anything to do with winning most of those games. Get real already.

    You’re dead wrong on this one

    • ElephantRider says:

      You’re dead wrong

      Cherry pick away.

      You don’t mention his 130 and 124 rating against SF and AZ while Ajayi rushed for under 50yds in both those wins.

      • ElephantRider says:

        You bring up pick 6 to win the SD game? He had 2TDs, O INT and 130 rating in that one.

        Ok. I get your point now.

      • Who gives a flying fig what Ajayi did in those games? I’m not talking about Ajayi. I’m talking about Tannehill. You and others seem to think he was the reason for that 7-1 stretch and you are wrong

      • Yeah, my point is Tannehill didn’t play any better in ’16 than he played in any other season leading up to ’16 but, for some reason, some people saw this halo light up over his head and he became some kind of frckin Avenger

    • ElephantRider says:

      Well you just accounted wins to Ajayi so yeah, I think you’re talking about Ajayi

  97. mf13ss says:

  98. mf13ss says:

  99. Mike E. says:

    Tim – To answer your 9 of 10 weren’t top 10, it all depends on how the draft shapes up. This one appears to have a lot of QB needy teams, and really 4 prospects that have separated themselves from the rest. At least 3 of the teams in the top 5 are going to draft a QB, Browns, Jets (Maybe Giants), (Maybe Broncos), and then of course there’s the Bills and Cards, who may move up. Logic dictates that someone may move up to get the last of the 4, if 3 go top 5 by teams picking in the top 5. Just the way it works out.

    • D says:

      The difference in value between 11th and 6th (which is what most believe secures us at least one of the top 4) shows to be 450, which is pick 55, or a 2nd round selection. So it could be as little as that, a swap of our firsts and giving them our second. I personally feel there is going to be some competition and there is going to be demand on our part as they know we likely are moving up to get a QB, so fleeced a little, sure. I cant see it being 2 firsts and 2 seconds though.

      The chiefs last year traded from 27th all the way to 10th, a 620 value difference and they gave up a next years first and a that year’s 3rd. Thats kind of where i am in what i think we would have to give up and i consider that being voluntarily fleece just because they will have leverage to get that out of us. I dont see why everyone thinks we will have to give them our first born to get a 5 position move up.

      • Mike E. says:

        I said earlier our 1st and 3rd this year, and our 1st next year, and maybe a 4th or 5th if we need to sweeten the pot a little.

  100. Only QB I would trade up for is Rosen. Darnold’s probably going #1. Rosen is the best qb in this draft. The fact that a qb can throw a ball 80 yds is immaterial if he can’t hit a wr at 10 yds with an accurate pass and Mayfield is a fuggin douchebag.

  101. ocalarob says:

    I’m against trading up, I think most of the QBs taken in the 1st 10 picks do not have top 10 talent, what that means is the real talent will slide to 11, I hope at least 4 qbs are taken, that would mean we get top 7 or 8 talent at 11.

  102. I read today the Broncos had issues coaching Mayfield at the Senior Bowl and aren’t interested in him at #5 but there’s people who think WE should trade up and take him. LMAO!!

    • D says:

      So thats the Broncos evaluation, so far the Dolphins evaluation seems positive. Again, they will know if it is or isnt a guy tey want, the issue isnt the who do we believe is the right guy, its who they do and at what cost do they feel he is worth it.

      • don’t you think people communicate with one another? with Joseph having a connection to Gase, if he saw something while coaching Mayfield to say he wouldn’t take him at #5 don’t you think that would come up in a conversation? And you know Gase was probably picking his brain?

      • D says:

        Sure i would expect that, and yet we still met with him for a private visit and workout and have shown a lot of interest in him. Call it a smokescreen if ya want, but we dont normally play little games like that. We have consistently drafted the guys we have had the most meetings with, so i thin the interest is real and i think they like him for whatever reasons they have. Also maybe the information about the Broncos not being interested in him is smokescreen lol, who knows its a wonky time of year, but im just going off what im seeing our FO doing and nothing else.

  103. D says:

    Im hoping we dont have to trade up, but realistically we might, it kind of depends on what the Broncos and Giants do. I feel pretty certain, just depending on the Browns, the giants are going to take Barkley or Chubb, im pretty confident we can count them out, The broncos im not that confident in, but if Mayfield is there, and Lou is as confident in the Broncos not liking him, then he should fall to 11 and we wouldnt have to trade up. Still i want them to get their guy. If they hate Darnold, even if he is there at 11 and people are shocked as hell he dropped that far, dont take him, he isnt the guy you wanted. If the guy you want costs too much to make that move (by their judgement, not ours) then dont make that move. If they have a couple of guys they like equally play it by ear, maybe one falls. If you feel you need to trade up and the price is right DO IT. There is nothing wrong with our team doing what it takes to get the people they feel makes our team better and to feel any different is to be putting your armchair QB opinions above the professionals that do this for a living.

  104. D says:

    Incidentally Lou i do agree there is a possibility we could take Ridley, i think its unlikely because my guess is others are on the board higher and there is definately going to be stud talent for us no matter what position we draft at, but Ridley is one of those stud players. Id be just fine with that selection but i cant really bet most others here would not lol.

    • I think there’s a strong possibility as well. Don’t know if he’d be the pick but can’t rule him out because Gase is an offensive coach and he wants to get his guys and put them where he needs them on offense. He’s not a defensive guy and we already had a defense heavy draft a year ago.

      So, despite the emphasis on offensive line and wr in FA I don’t think we can rule it out. I won’t be disappointed or pissed if a player like Smith, Edmunds or Fitz is there and we take one of them over Ridley if he’s there too. I will be pissed, however, if we go Vea out of need over Ridley because we need to score points as much as we need to do anything else.

      • D says:

        I think out DT situation is pretty solid, im not worried about it. Its not as dominant now but again, i dont think its weak either. This also is a deep DT group. There are some really solid guys projecting as 6th rounders. I mean im seeing Justin Jones projected in the 6th and he is a pretty studly DT prospect. His buddy Hill is no slouch either. In fact i think this year i recognize more 6-7th round projection names from players i thought looked pretty good when watching tapes than any year i have before.

  105. ElephantRider says:

    Who said RT17 was the sole reason for the 7-1 stretch? Anyone? Nope.
    Can’t say he played well though….
    I get the narrative.

  106. D says:

    I think the philosophy of blow it up is over done. Our team showed this year you can turn over the roster and leave yourself in a relatively stable place. You may have to rely more on a team of players contributing instead of getting big performances from a few, but football as a team sport is built for that. So we really did kind of blow up our team, and yet we really didnt either, we simply fixed a problem and if we get solid contributions from all of our guys we probably play better than even 2016. 2016 we had more of an identity to our team and in 2017 we had none of that, we played like a bunch of individuals who werent on the same page and were all pulling in different directions.

  107. mf13ss says:

    Guys, it’s THIS simple…

    Ajayi made Tannehill’s job that much easier (8 in-the-box), and Tannehill made Ajayi’s job that much easier by having developed his deep-passing. That’s what HAPPENS(!) when an Offense has a formidable 1-2 punch (run & pass)… or shall I say, CHEMISTRY!

    • D says:

      Its beyond that, we got contributions from every phase of the team. I remember our ST’s during that time was playing lights out, our OL was healthy and gelled, there were lots of things clicking.

    • and Tannehill may benefit this year from the combination of Drake and Gore in the run game and the addition of a guy like Amendola because of his ability to get open.

      I think we’re going to get a really good look at what he’s capable of or incapable of doing this season considering we’re supposed to be spreading the ball around a lot more.

      • D says:

        I think that 2016 surge bought him the chance to prove it next year, but again, this should be well into where we know everything there is to know about his future potential and we are still wondering. Does this year just have to qualify as decent or does he really have to show massive improvement for us to be encouraged?

  108. mf13ss says:

  109. D says:

    SB7 i agree with you there arent a lot of confidence builders in the WR group. Stills has been decent, but not nearly a WR you know is going to get you 60-80YPG average and 8TD’s, Parker, i mean you think you know he is capable if really big games but the only consistent thing is he has gotten hurt each year and missed games. Grant just started getting involved in the offense but we have no clue what his contribution level will be. Wilson had a career year that was less than Landry’s worst year, so i dont think you can be confident he jumps up to beyond what he has ever done before, and Amedola is often hurt and most likely on the decline. Yeah there isnt a ton of confidence to be had there.

  110. mf13ss says:

    D says:
    March 28, 2018 at 5:10 pm
    Its beyond that, we got contributions from every phase of the team. I remember our ST’s during that time was playing lights out, our OL was healthy and gelled, there were lots of things clicking.
    ———
    Gase has fired most of our quality ST players, and we have a new interior O-Line that needs to gel.

    • D says:

      I was talking about 2016…. i know we aren’t in the same place right now.

      • mf13ss says:

        Correct… we’re talking about 2017. We suddenly have a vacuum in terms of quality ST players… one of the three keys to the game.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Who did he fire?

      • mf13ss says:

        By “fire”, I’m talking about not re-signing players who were STUD ST players by us. Two come to mind off the top of my head: Michael Thomas and Neville Hewitt.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Thomas was an excellent STs player who became a UFA and he went elsewhere like hundreds of other players do every year. Hewitt wasn’t a core STs guy last year.

        “On September 2, 2017, Hewitt was waived by the Dolphins. On October 9, 2017, he was re-signed to the Dolphins’ practice squad. He was promoted to the active roster on November 22, 2017.”

  111. D says:

    They are describing Gase’s feelings toward M<ayfield as a bromance lol.

    "Gase added: “I think Baker’s personality is something that’s infectious to other guys. I think there’s a competitiveness that you want to see. You can tell he doesn’t want to lose at anything he’s doing. It doesn’t matter if it’s football, I don’t know what else he could possibly be doing. Whatever it is, he wants to win. As a coach, you always love guys like that. You want to be around them. That gives you a little bit more. You want to make sure you do more for that guy to put him in that situation. When you get that kind of energy from guys, it’s fun to be around. I’ve enjoyed the amount of time we’ve been able to spend with him.”

  112. mf13ss says:

    CLEARLY, Gase isn’t about consistency or ‘gel-time’.

    • pheloniusphish says:

      Geez Dude…Maybe you should take your experience managing ‘alpha-males’, building consistency, and evaluating ST studs to Miami and apply for Gase’s job. May as well take Tannenbaum’s, too.

      You are obviously in the “Front Office Can Do Nothing Right/Doofus Brigade” camp.

  113. pheloniusphish says:

    wyoming85 says:
    March 28, 2018 at 2:59 pm
    I personally don’t see a QB worth trading up for!
    But I could have a broken Jr GM Decoder ring ?
    ________________________________________
    It’s okay Wyo…you can always get another one out of your next box of Cracker Jacks.

  114. Tim Knight says:

    FYI, it’s reported there is some bad blood between Gase and Elway. Maybe because Peyton wanted to keep Gase when they fired Fox for Kubiak and/or Gase trying to sign C.J. Anderson. So if we’re looking at #5 to trade up, it’s not going to be a friendly deal. LOL

    That said, all this talk about trading up for a QB or not, or take him at #11 or maybe a QB in another round is just throwing ideas out there. I hope this doesn’t turn into everyone getting pissed at each other because it’s just discussing the topic. None of us control what’s going to happen anyway. 🙂

  115. mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    March 28, 2018 at 5:52 pm
    Gase doesn’t like hot heads who are more concerned about themselves than team.
    ————-
    Translation: ‘I’M (Gase) the only hot head allowed on my team’

    Gase had better get over his damned self (ie: Josh McDaniels)

  116. The Flying Pig says:

    Every OL prospect in the country should watch this video and take notes

  117. Tim Knight says:

    Lou, based on your view that Tannehill wasn’t a big part of that 7-1 streak basically is saying nobody was, it was just an easy schedule and the opponents just played poorly and that’s it. LOL

    Come on, man. Give credit where credit is due. Nobody said he shredded teams, but he played very efficient and made some big throws.

  118. wyoming85 says:

  119. Tim Knight says:

    M13, simmer down man. You’re doing a lot of accusing and speculation about this and that. I just came back to the board after stepping out and you’re telling me “It already became stupid, and you know it.”

    No I don’t! But I saw the potential for it building up. I haven’t read every post in detail.

    • mf13ss says:

      I was referring STRICTLY to the Tannehater and Tannelover crowd, man. Nothing more and nothing less.

      • mf13ss says:

        … and as it pertains to the QB position (trading up, staying put, or drafting one after the 1st round).

      • Tim Knight says:

        Sigh… more labels that aren’t really labels as you say. Let’s just keep it real. What the team is doing right or wrong is one thing, a few dozen of us saying what we think is another. It’s just a football discussion.

  120. mf13ss says:

    wyoming85 says:
    March 28, 2018 at 5:59 pm
    I”M Gase and do we really want Captain Frat Boy on the team?
    ———–
    That’s why Gase is likely on a very short leash this year.

    We all saw Tony Sparano go from rookie HC with a majestic playoff berth, to absolute crud shortly thereafter.

  121. wyoming85 says:

    I’m just not a fan of Mayfield!

    HIs actions shout RED flags at me!

    I very well could be wrong!

    Like I said my jr gm decoder ring is broken!

  122. Randy says:

    I have said before that I’m not sure i’d want to trade up to get a QB either. My point simply is that I probably wouldn’t have an issue with them if they did trade up. While i get the question marks on this group, I think people are shorting these QBs a little.
    ***
    I think both Darnold and Rosen have serious potential. I wouldn’t be surprised if either of them became really good QBs. After that, I can see some drop off, but lots of people think Allen has a lot of potential too. I’m a little less sold on him, but I get the potential. I think Mayfield is more than just a small, rah-rah guy who is a Manziel waiting to happen. I think he too has potential to be a top 10 QB…but nothing about him really jumps off the screen at me. He looks like a risk, and i’m not sure the payoff will be there. Then, there are 2-3 other guys who could end up being long term starters.
    ***
    I think this is a very strong QB class with possibly 2 very high end guys at the top and a handful of other potential starters. That’s pretty good….and you all know I hate QBs. Lol If they decide going after one of them is worth it…fine….I could live with it. I get going for a QB. It costs a lot, but they don’t simply fall in your lap very damn often. Acting like none of these guys is worth it is confusing to me…it’s just a matter of how much you’re willing to give up to go get him.

  123. Tim Knight says:

    Oh yeah and Gase also kept his foot on the pedal when we blew out Denver last year 35-9. LOL

  124. D says:

    D says:
    March 28, 2018 at 6:46 pm

    I dont think that Denver would trade anyways, they are sitting in a perfect spot to take Nelson. QB or not im pretty sure they dont trade out of that spot.

  125. D says:

    Ken says:
    March 28, 2018 at 6:29 pm

    His actions don’t bother but I don’t think he has the athletic measurables to be elite at the next level
    ———————————
    I think its you and i that like Allen the best, but with Myfield id be ok with the selection. I think given what Gase is saying he wants to do at the position Mayfield would work. He isnt the best QB for any system but, again going off Gase’s limited but specific discussion about his offensive concepts, it sounds to me that he would be a fit. I would be ok with Rosen as well, im just not a fan at all of Darnold. I dislike his personality even more than Mayfield. I do think Mayfield has a little something extra though, that quote Gase had about Mayfield kind of sums up what i feel about him. I think he has a competitive fire that’s a bit stronger than the rest of these guys so there is definitely something to work with and i think definitely something that is unique enough to justify both a selection at 11 or even a trade up. Again, Gase knows best what he is willing to give up to get him so ill just leave the trade up or not discussion TBD.

    On a personal note though, Allen is the only on i personally feel is worth trading up for.

  126. Rockphin says:

    D says:
    March 28, 2018 at 3:36 pm

    So you freak out if he feels so confident in a guy that he trades up….do you really trust his decisions then?
    Reply

    In reality it isn’t that important to me so I wouldn’t freak out either way, but it’s against what I feel is responsible team management and the odds of success so I will argue against it. The Miami Dolphins are an emotional escape for me but at the end of the day their record doesn’t really have any direct effect on the quality of my life.

    Cam Cameron was going to win the next one every freakin week until he did.

    I will root for anyone they trot out there and then come and bitch about or defend them on here (WHOMEVER “they” are)

    I just don’t see the evidence that in the last decade having a first round QB has made the difference. What the evidence has shown me more is that continuity and building a program has lead to success.

    Getting the right program in place and finally developing players in it is the most important thing.

    There is NOT ONE of the QB’s on that list I posted above that would have lifted any of the Dolphins TEAMS in the last 10 years to a championship..

    Not one.

    There wont be on in the future either.

    • Tim Knight says:

      What supports your theory is Foles was a backup, Keenum was a backup who took the reins and ran with it, and Bortles who most people don’t think is very good even as a former 1st rd pick. All 4 championship teams were solid overall. The Pats are always different and aren’t we tired of saying that? LOL

    • D says:

      I really mean you no disrespect Rock, i just cant follow your logic. I dont fault you your opinion on it, but i do feel i have offered up plenty of evidence to show the importance of doing whatever it takes to add the players you want for your team, especially at QB regardless of the strategy (trade up, trade back, stay put).

      You have to be smart with what you spend because you can certainly hurt the team in the long run, but this discussion shouldnt include that because we dont know whats the right move, we dont know what move they will make and we dont know what it will cost them.

      You just have to have some faith in them to get it right and like you said, who gives a fuck if they mess up, its a team i love but its not going to wreck my life if they traded our first round picks for the next 20 years, im still going to be excited that maybe the pick they got will have a profound affect on our team.

  127. Rockphin says:

    I never said it was stupid to take a QB in the first (if that was addressed to me Mike) I even said if Gase took one at 11 I would approve. I just think it is so wasteful in a league with the Cap to waste young cheep players and depend so much on free agency. Throwing away draft capital (more scratch off tickets, better odds winning) for low percentage gambles is a waste IMO. You need to build and keep building and building through the draft, 7-10 players per year, mostly lower round picks is not enough to do it successfully unless your track record is excellent and you are very lucky without throwing away.

    I liked Carroo. I HATED the trade.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I didn’t mind the trade, I’m disappointed in Carroo. 😉

    • D says:

      You trust Gase or not? If you do then you cant not trust what they do to get his players. Gase wanted Caroo, gase and the FO felt like it was worth the rade, boom trade happens, and we get the player. Lament all you want over the trade but its over and done with, at that point in time it made sense to them and now it loos like a waste, you hit and you miss, you learn from both so next time hopefully you have less misses and more hits. Its simple as that.

  128. Ken says:

    D:
    I am definitely high on Allen. His athleticism is off the charts. I like Rozen a lot too

    • Tim Knight says:

      I think Allen in time could be a scary QB. I don’t think he’ll be great early on though. Elway actually wasn’t an efficient QB early on either, but he pulled close games out. The Broncos were a good overall team when he joined them, the Orange Crush etc., until they played the NFC. LOL

      • D says:

        I think he has a 2 year cook timer in a best case scenario, which we could provide. I think he could be a take over next year kind of guy, but for sure 2 years with Gase and Tanny in the QB room with him and i think we could have one hell of a prospect.

  129. Rockphin says:

    My argument isn’t against taking a first round QB. My argument is it will more than likely be a waste of draft picks to move up to get one. 2-3 out of the last 22 first round QB’s taken are elite. I will bet you my fucking house that ALL FOUR of the “top QB’s” this year will not be stars. I will go further and bet you most of them will not. So go ahead and trade up for one and be FORCED to go free agent for another position again and again. Either other teams cast offs or guys who make too much.

  130. Rockphin says:

    We have a first round QB D that’s what I’m saying. We have a top 10 first round QB. (Both sides of the isle can spin that how they like and it still makes my point)

    • D says:

      I know, but again, so you dont take one until he is gone or you add a guy and worst Case scenario you wind up with two guys you could see as your starter, you either keep rolling with Tanny and trade the other or vice versa, then you are getting draft capitol back, so again, its hard to say your losing anything, you are giving yourself options and your creating a really nice next man up scenario.

  131. Rockphin says:

    So Mike, what I think I’m reading from you is it is better to give up 3-4 first and second round picks for the chance that someone might beat out Tannehill because you could probably get a 3 or even 2nd round pick for T-hill at that point?

    Which of those 22 QBs above would have changed the course of this franchise over the last 10 years? Which one? Would trading 6 years worth of 1st round picks for Tom Brady or Aaron Rogers 8 years again have changed this team to the perennial superbowl team?

    • Mike E. says:

      Nah man, if you read what I wrote, I said this year’s RD1 and RD 3 or 4, and next year’s RD1. It’s not that huge a haul. Tim was the one that said what if Tannehill plays great this season , what do you do? I told him what you could do, and that really would be the ideal situation. Believe me, I’m a Tannefan, I want him to succeed, but I also understand why it could benefit our team in the long run if we draft a QB for our future. I don’t know what to expect from Tanny, I hope for the best, and if he can play like he did in ’16, we’re in great shape.

  132. Mike E. says:

    Rock

    Look at this list, and tell me how many of these guys were indispensable . . .

    There aren’t too many my friend, so if we have to give one up to get a QB, I’m cool with it. Our 3rd picks may be worse, we have whiffed on a ton of those too.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Miami_Dolphins_first-round_draft_picks

    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/mia/draft.htm

  133. Rockphin says:

    Rob, I’m just in a lawyer type arguing mood, LOL soooo

    I see your points, but I will counter point that Drake had superior YAC than Ajayi did with the dolphins last year.

    One of the main reasons Ajayi is gone is because of his negative / 0 yard plays.

    I agree that Tannehill plays much better when the offense is balanced. He is VERY good at play action so the run game is important. There has to be a threat of the run for PA to succeed.

    this last one is just a jab

    Having 8 in the box cannot possibly help Tannehill because everyone knows he can’t throw down field and lives off the dink and dunk and if the box is crowded it just makes the short passing game that much harder…..

    😉

  134. sb7mvp says:

    It’s not Mike E. Tradey Pants?

  135. mf13ss says:

    So let me get this right… LOL

    At least HALF of this board is going to be PIZZED OFF, regardless of what we do with our 1st round selection!

    • Tim Knight says:

      Nope! I will adapt because what’s the point in living in the past, it’s over. 🙂

      Like when baseball teams protest a game. Yeah that always means something. LOL

    • wyoming85 says:

      Nope.
      Just don’t see the value in trading up!
      But that is JMHO

  136. Tim Knight says:

    All of this is on Gase. It’s been put together by Ross that MTP lol and Grier go get the players Gase wants. It’s that simple. He’s the HC and the leader of the football team. If his way works we’ll all be high fiving and having a good time. If it flops he’ll get fired at some point and who knows what the nest phase will be. Try to see some light at the end of the tunnel, I mean geez we do have talent to work with. This team is going to be quite different than the 2017 team and it’s not just because of who we moved on from. Much of this team has been assembled over the last 2-3 years. That’s usually Randy’s time frame. LOL

  137. Rockphin says:

    Ken says:
    March 28, 2018 at 6:29 pm

    His actions don’t bother but I don’t think he has the athletic measurables to be elite at the next level
    Reply

    Either do Brees or Brady.

    • Ken says:

      Disagree. Brees in particular has a much better arm. Brady is significantly taller with a bigger frame.

      • Rockphin says:

        yeah but brady has never been physically dominant I think the edge both those players have is their minds. Rogers too in a way, but he is physically dominant.

  138. Rockphin says:

    D says:
    March 28, 2018 at 7:16 pm

    You trust Gase or not?

    I’m on the fence with Gase but going to give him the benefit of the doubt another season. Do I have faith in Tannenbum. Fuck no. He traded up for Butt-fumble and then gave him a big extension.

  139. Rockphin says:

    you hit and you miss, you learn from both so next time hopefully you have less misses and more hits. Its simple as that.

    more picks better odds of hitting.

    simple as that

  140. wyoming85 says:

    Where the fuck am I?????????
    Did a guy named Randy just say something good about the QB position?????????

    BIZZARO WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  141. Rockphin says:

    What were those? Prairie dogs? That was hilarious.

  142. Rockphin says:

    LOL @ mike e’s argument that we suck at picking 2nd, 3rd & 4th round guys so it’s not a waste to trade those picks away.

    At least HALF of this board is going to be PIZZED OFF, regardless of what we do with our 1st round selection!
    Reply

    Damn RIght MF!! LOL

  143. ocalarob says:

    Marlins are going all the way this year!

  144. Tim,
    That’s exactly my point. When you have everything going well with the team, the offensive line is run blocking and pass blocking well, when the rb’s are running the ball well, when special teams is doing it’s job and the defense is doing what it’s supposed to be doing you only need a qb to be “efficient”.

    You don’t need a qb to be elite. So, there’s any number of guys who fit that description. You don’t need to pay a guy upwards of $15-20M/ yr or more for being “efficient” and you probably don’t even need to draft a guy in the first rd for that.

    You get a defense that’s top ten and surround your qb with skill players and give him an o-line that can do it’s job and you’re qb is just a guy.

    • ocalarob says:

      Phil Simms?

    • Tim Knight says:

      Yes, but Tannehill’s athleticism is elite and so is his ability to roll and throw. Put him in the right offense like Alex Smith and he will prosper. He’s more talented than Smith. It took Smith a lot of years to find his game. Let’s see if Tannehill trends where he left off or does he take a step back. That will set the tone for 2019. It is what it is. The team is committed to Tannehill regardless of what we do in the draft. I’m rolling with that direction is all.

      It’s not like there will never be another QB available the next few years. Nobody is even sold on this QB class. They’re just ranking them down the wire. There has never been a consensus about these guys. Buyer beware.

      I’d feel better reaching in the 2nd for a QB you like over trading a lot of draft compensation for any of the 4 top QBs. But that’s just me. I would trade down, reach a bit for a TE getting an extra pick or two, and reach for a QB in the 2nd over a 1st rd trade up. We still have a 3rd and two 4ths to address other positions.

      A trade down in the 1st for extra picks helps alleviate “the reach” because of extra compensation. Reaching for a QB in the 2nd is not a killer.

  145. Rockphin says:

    Ok, caught up to the bottom of the blog and have no one left to argue with. BBL

    Nogtih all

  146. Rockphin says:

    In parting, while searching for depressed robot I came across this

  147. ocalarob says:

    Lou, i don’t think a “manager QB” is what Gase is trying to do, I think Gase wants to slam the football down the throats of opposing D’s, he’s very offensive minded and it wouldn’t surprise me if he took Ridley

    • I don’t think it’s what he wants to do either. The qb in his system is going to need to make quick decisions and get that ball out quickly and it’s going to be interesting to see how well the offense is executed this season. I agree that he wants to slam the football down the throats of opposing D’s. I said before that I don’t think he wants to score 25 ppg or even 27 ppg; he wants to score 40 ppg.

  148. Rockphin says:

    Taking 1st round QB = Good
    Trading away multiple draft picks to do it = Bad

    That is all.

  149. ocalarob says:

    If it flops he’ll get fired at some point and who knows what the nest phase will be. Try to see some light at the end of the tunnel
    ____________________________________

    taking the above comments into consideration……… somehow i’m not seeing the light??

  150. Rockphin says:

    My question is this…..and I’m serious this is a very important question…..

    IF (now I know it’s hard to imagine things so far out of reality) IF the Dolphins hadn’t drafted Thill and somehow acquired Nick Foles would Lou skip everywhere he went 24/7

  151. Mike E. says:

    M – There’s always those that want this player or that player, but it seems like no one really loses their shit over it, as far as our 1st pick. If we stay put and take a LB or DT, or S, I don’t think most people will be upset. If we trade up to get a QB, some will be stoked, some will be pissed, and others won’t be sure. If we stay at #11 and take a QB, I think most people will be happy, as long as it;s one of the top 4.

  152. Mike E. says:

    LOL @ SB – Nope, not Mike E Tradey Pants. 🙂

  153. Tim Knight says:

    ORob, look at our current roster and think about how many games these guys have played together. It’s not many. We have no idea what the 2018 53 man will look like or perform like. That should be the fun in it. The prior same group was 6-10, 10-6 and 6-10.

    I think we will be better for sure than we were last year. I mean playoffs. For lots of reasons.

  154. ElephantRider says:

    Which half of the board will I be?

    I’ll let everyone know in a couple years

  155. ElephantRider says:

    Going to be a long month til draft….

  156. Tim Knight says:

    For me Kilgore 8th has a body of work that shows he’s a solid center.
    Sitton 11th is the best guard we’ve had in years.
    The vet Larsen 9th vs. the young Davis 2nd is good competition.
    Tunsil as a young LT in his 3rd season.
    James still a young RT in his 5th season.

    Then besides depth maybe some other guys surprise. It looks solid on paper.

    New OL coach and a somewhat new group of players. Hope for the best. It’s won’t be exactly the same. 😉

    • ElephantRider says:

      Line definitely improved as far as starters are concerned. Just having your C practice with the team is a huge plus. Sitton should also improve Tunsil. Just a matter of health now.

  157. Tim Knight says:

    My own mock, not a simulator.
    Rd 1 Pick 11 (11) DT Vita Vea
    Rd 2 Pick 10 (42) TE Mike Gesicki
    Rd 3 Pick 9 (73) RB Sony Michel
    Rd 4a Pick 23 (123) QB Kyle Lauletta
    Rd 4b Pick 31 (131) C/G Scott Quessenberry
    Rd 6 Pick 35 (209) LB Jack Cichy
    Rd 7a Pick 9 (227) FS Sean Chandler
    Rd 7b Pick 11 (229) OT KC McDermott

  158. herdfan says:

    One thing is for sure. Gase is making this a team of ‘his guys’. Can’t blame him to want that. They don’t win and he’s going to be out of a job eventually. So we’ll see how he does with the team he puts together.

  159. ElephantRider says:

    Stuck getting no sleep to watch Phins v stej replay on NFLN

    Oh well. At least we are going to win!

  160. I’m actually beginning to really like the idea of a Ridley/Michel 1st & 2nd rd. However, tough to say if Michel would be around when we pick in the 2nd

    • D says:

      I think he is the second best back in the draft, i think he is more than likely going to go mid to late first, i think Guice is the one that will fall to the second. So maybe Ridley/Guice

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