Wedge Scouting Report: Maurice Hurst, Michigan

It’s not all fun and games being an intergalactic agent.  You make quite a few enemies when you threaten the entire existence of everyone on the planet.

And sometimes – you even get caught and have to accept whatever the local punishment is for your crimes…

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Like that pesky Sarlacc Pit…

OUCH!!! (turning to an alien poking him in the back with a spear) Okay already…I’m moving…I’m moving!

Having to jump into the Sarlacc Pit is one of those uncomfortable realities you have to accept – kind of like when the Dolphins released Ndamukong Suh.  Having to look at defensive tackles in this draft is sort of like rotting in a belly for 100 years for some of us.  But we have to accept it.

So let’s take a look at Maurice Hurst:

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The Positives:  So offense you want to snap the ball and run your play…well Hurst is going to be in the backfield before you know it, so look out.  Hurst is a penetrator and was one of the most disruptive forces in college football in 2017.  That’s his game – once the ball is snapped Hurst demonstrates the type of initial quickness to get in the backfield to kill the play before it gets started.

In three years at Michigan, Hurst gathered 13.5 sacks including 5 and 5.5 over the last tow years.  He also had 32 tackles for a loss in his career surpassing 10 in each of the last tow years.

Hurst is very good against the run and against the pass.  He gets immediate penetration right up the middle.  That’s the kind of pressure a team can use against a team like the Patriots.

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The Negatives:  Far be it from this stringbean alien to call some one that is 280 pounds light, but that is undersized for an NFL defensive tackle.  Because he is undersized, Hurst is one of the few prospects scouts appear to universally agree about.  Almost everyone says he’s a 3 technique defensive tackle in an NFL 4-3.  Hurst did some play some nose tackle at Michigan and occasionally he was overpowered, so most people don’t project he will hold up very well in the NFL at NT.

Hurst was excused from the NFL Combine with a medical red flag.  Its a heart condition that cam up during his freshman year at Michigan, so its not a surprise to Hurst, but it might hurt his stock.  Hurst has since been cleared to play in the NFL and recently had a very good performance at Michigan’s pro day.

His favorite team growing up was the Patriots – so yuk.

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The Alien Dust:  That heart condition might be a blessing in disguise for a team like the Dolphins.  You might recall a heart condition caused Star Lotulelei to drop a few years ago in the draft.  Lotulelei has had a pretty good NFL career so far despite the draft day drop.  Lotulelei was a more highly coveted prospect that Hurst is.  So I wonder, will this projected first rounder drop into the 2nd round?  If he does – he’s a steal in the 2nd round.

I mentioned his favorite team was the Patriots.  That’s because his mom was a Patriots cheerleader.  His father, who he has never met, was a defensive back for the Patriots who wore the number 37.  That’s why Hurst wears the number 73, the inverse of 37.  Doesn’t sound like a great relationship there.

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Maurice Hurst is this year draft’s version of The Sarlacc Pitt

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You can watch his highlights here

 

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817 Responses to Wedge Scouting Report: Maurice Hurst, Michigan

  1. Only QB I would trade up for is Rosen. Darnold’s probably going #1. Rosen is the best qb in this draft. The fact that a qb can throw a ball 80 yds is immaterial if he can’t hit a wr at 10 yds with an accurate pass and Mayfield is a fuggin douchebag.

  2. ocalarob says:

    I’m against trading up, I think most of the QBs taken in the 1st 10 picks do not have top 10 talent, what that means is the real talent will slide to 11, I hope at least 4 qbs are taken, that would mean we get top 7 or 8 talent at 11.

  3. I read today the Broncos had issues coaching Mayfield at the Senior Bowl and aren’t interested in him at #5 but there’s people who think WE should trade up and take him. LMAO!!

    • D says:

      So thats the Broncos evaluation, so far the Dolphins evaluation seems positive. Again, they will know if it is or isnt a guy tey want, the issue isnt the who do we believe is the right guy, its who they do and at what cost do they feel he is worth it.

      • don’t you think people communicate with one another? with Joseph having a connection to Gase, if he saw something while coaching Mayfield to say he wouldn’t take him at #5 don’t you think that would come up in a conversation? And you know Gase was probably picking his brain?

      • D says:

        Sure i would expect that, and yet we still met with him for a private visit and workout and have shown a lot of interest in him. Call it a smokescreen if ya want, but we dont normally play little games like that. We have consistently drafted the guys we have had the most meetings with, so i thin the interest is real and i think they like him for whatever reasons they have. Also maybe the information about the Broncos not being interested in him is smokescreen lol, who knows its a wonky time of year, but im just going off what im seeing our FO doing and nothing else.

  4. D says:

    Im hoping we dont have to trade up, but realistically we might, it kind of depends on what the Broncos and Giants do. I feel pretty certain, just depending on the Browns, the giants are going to take Barkley or Chubb, im pretty confident we can count them out, The broncos im not that confident in, but if Mayfield is there, and Lou is as confident in the Broncos not liking him, then he should fall to 11 and we wouldnt have to trade up. Still i want them to get their guy. If they hate Darnold, even if he is there at 11 and people are shocked as hell he dropped that far, dont take him, he isnt the guy you wanted. If the guy you want costs too much to make that move (by their judgement, not ours) then dont make that move. If they have a couple of guys they like equally play it by ear, maybe one falls. If you feel you need to trade up and the price is right DO IT. There is nothing wrong with our team doing what it takes to get the people they feel makes our team better and to feel any different is to be putting your armchair QB opinions above the professionals that do this for a living.

  5. D says:

    Incidentally Lou i do agree there is a possibility we could take Ridley, i think its unlikely because my guess is others are on the board higher and there is definately going to be stud talent for us no matter what position we draft at, but Ridley is one of those stud players. Id be just fine with that selection but i cant really bet most others here would not lol.

    • I think there’s a strong possibility as well. Don’t know if he’d be the pick but can’t rule him out because Gase is an offensive coach and he wants to get his guys and put them where he needs them on offense. He’s not a defensive guy and we already had a defense heavy draft a year ago.

      So, despite the emphasis on offensive line and wr in FA I don’t think we can rule it out. I won’t be disappointed or pissed if a player like Smith, Edmunds or Fitz is there and we take one of them over Ridley if he’s there too. I will be pissed, however, if we go Vea out of need over Ridley because we need to score points as much as we need to do anything else.

      • D says:

        I think out DT situation is pretty solid, im not worried about it. Its not as dominant now but again, i dont think its weak either. This also is a deep DT group. There are some really solid guys projecting as 6th rounders. I mean im seeing Justin Jones projected in the 6th and he is a pretty studly DT prospect. His buddy Hill is no slouch either. In fact i think this year i recognize more 6-7th round projection names from players i thought looked pretty good when watching tapes than any year i have before.

  6. ElephantRider says:

    Who said RT17 was the sole reason for the 7-1 stretch? Anyone? Nope.
    Can’t say he played well though….
    I get the narrative.

  7. D says:

    I think the philosophy of blow it up is over done. Our team showed this year you can turn over the roster and leave yourself in a relatively stable place. You may have to rely more on a team of players contributing instead of getting big performances from a few, but football as a team sport is built for that. So we really did kind of blow up our team, and yet we really didnt either, we simply fixed a problem and if we get solid contributions from all of our guys we probably play better than even 2016. 2016 we had more of an identity to our team and in 2017 we had none of that, we played like a bunch of individuals who werent on the same page and were all pulling in different directions.

  8. mf13ss says:

    Guys, it’s THIS simple…

    Ajayi made Tannehill’s job that much easier (8 in-the-box), and Tannehill made Ajayi’s job that much easier by having developed his deep-passing. That’s what HAPPENS(!) when an Offense has a formidable 1-2 punch (run & pass)… or shall I say, CHEMISTRY!

    • D says:

      Its beyond that, we got contributions from every phase of the team. I remember our ST’s during that time was playing lights out, our OL was healthy and gelled, there were lots of things clicking.

    • and Tannehill may benefit this year from the combination of Drake and Gore in the run game and the addition of a guy like Amendola because of his ability to get open.

      I think we’re going to get a really good look at what he’s capable of or incapable of doing this season considering we’re supposed to be spreading the ball around a lot more.

      • D says:

        I think that 2016 surge bought him the chance to prove it next year, but again, this should be well into where we know everything there is to know about his future potential and we are still wondering. Does this year just have to qualify as decent or does he really have to show massive improvement for us to be encouraged?

  9. mf13ss says:

  10. D says:

    SB7 i agree with you there arent a lot of confidence builders in the WR group. Stills has been decent, but not nearly a WR you know is going to get you 60-80YPG average and 8TD’s, Parker, i mean you think you know he is capable if really big games but the only consistent thing is he has gotten hurt each year and missed games. Grant just started getting involved in the offense but we have no clue what his contribution level will be. Wilson had a career year that was less than Landry’s worst year, so i dont think you can be confident he jumps up to beyond what he has ever done before, and Amedola is often hurt and most likely on the decline. Yeah there isnt a ton of confidence to be had there.

  11. mf13ss says:

    D says:
    March 28, 2018 at 5:10 pm
    Its beyond that, we got contributions from every phase of the team. I remember our ST’s during that time was playing lights out, our OL was healthy and gelled, there were lots of things clicking.
    ———
    Gase has fired most of our quality ST players, and we have a new interior O-Line that needs to gel.

    • D says:

      I was talking about 2016…. i know we aren’t in the same place right now.

      • mf13ss says:

        Correct… we’re talking about 2017. We suddenly have a vacuum in terms of quality ST players… one of the three keys to the game.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Who did he fire?

      • mf13ss says:

        By “fire”, I’m talking about not re-signing players who were STUD ST players by us. Two come to mind off the top of my head: Michael Thomas and Neville Hewitt.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Thomas was an excellent STs player who became a UFA and he went elsewhere like hundreds of other players do every year. Hewitt wasn’t a core STs guy last year.

        “On September 2, 2017, Hewitt was waived by the Dolphins. On October 9, 2017, he was re-signed to the Dolphins’ practice squad. He was promoted to the active roster on November 22, 2017.”

  12. D says:

    They are describing Gase’s feelings toward M<ayfield as a bromance lol.

    "Gase added: “I think Baker’s personality is something that’s infectious to other guys. I think there’s a competitiveness that you want to see. You can tell he doesn’t want to lose at anything he’s doing. It doesn’t matter if it’s football, I don’t know what else he could possibly be doing. Whatever it is, he wants to win. As a coach, you always love guys like that. You want to be around them. That gives you a little bit more. You want to make sure you do more for that guy to put him in that situation. When you get that kind of energy from guys, it’s fun to be around. I’ve enjoyed the amount of time we’ve been able to spend with him.”

  13. mf13ss says:

    CLEARLY, Gase isn’t about consistency or ‘gel-time’.

    • pheloniusphish says:

      Geez Dude…Maybe you should take your experience managing ‘alpha-males’, building consistency, and evaluating ST studs to Miami and apply for Gase’s job. May as well take Tannenbaum’s, too.

      You are obviously in the “Front Office Can Do Nothing Right/Doofus Brigade” camp.

  14. pheloniusphish says:

    wyoming85 says:
    March 28, 2018 at 2:59 pm
    I personally don’t see a QB worth trading up for!
    But I could have a broken Jr GM Decoder ring ?
    ________________________________________
    It’s okay Wyo…you can always get another one out of your next box of Cracker Jacks.

  15. Tim Knight says:

    FYI, it’s reported there is some bad blood between Gase and Elway. Maybe because Peyton wanted to keep Gase when they fired Fox for Kubiak and/or Gase trying to sign C.J. Anderson. So if we’re looking at #5 to trade up, it’s not going to be a friendly deal. LOL

    That said, all this talk about trading up for a QB or not, or take him at #11 or maybe a QB in another round is just throwing ideas out there. I hope this doesn’t turn into everyone getting pissed at each other because it’s just discussing the topic. None of us control what’s going to happen anyway. 🙂

  16. mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    March 28, 2018 at 5:52 pm
    Gase doesn’t like hot heads who are more concerned about themselves than team.
    ————-
    Translation: ‘I’M (Gase) the only hot head allowed on my team’

    Gase had better get over his damned self (ie: Josh McDaniels)

  17. The Flying Pig says:

    Every OL prospect in the country should watch this video and take notes

  18. Tim Knight says:

    Lou, based on your view that Tannehill wasn’t a big part of that 7-1 streak basically is saying nobody was, it was just an easy schedule and the opponents just played poorly and that’s it. LOL

    Come on, man. Give credit where credit is due. Nobody said he shredded teams, but he played very efficient and made some big throws.

  19. wyoming85 says:

  20. Tim Knight says:

    M13, simmer down man. You’re doing a lot of accusing and speculation about this and that. I just came back to the board after stepping out and you’re telling me “It already became stupid, and you know it.”

    No I don’t! But I saw the potential for it building up. I haven’t read every post in detail.

    • mf13ss says:

      I was referring STRICTLY to the Tannehater and Tannelover crowd, man. Nothing more and nothing less.

      • mf13ss says:

        … and as it pertains to the QB position (trading up, staying put, or drafting one after the 1st round).

      • Tim Knight says:

        Sigh… more labels that aren’t really labels as you say. Let’s just keep it real. What the team is doing right or wrong is one thing, a few dozen of us saying what we think is another. It’s just a football discussion.

  21. mf13ss says:

    wyoming85 says:
    March 28, 2018 at 5:59 pm
    I”M Gase and do we really want Captain Frat Boy on the team?
    ———–
    That’s why Gase is likely on a very short leash this year.

    We all saw Tony Sparano go from rookie HC with a majestic playoff berth, to absolute crud shortly thereafter.

  22. wyoming85 says:

    I’m just not a fan of Mayfield!

    HIs actions shout RED flags at me!

    I very well could be wrong!

    Like I said my jr gm decoder ring is broken!

  23. Randy says:

    I have said before that I’m not sure i’d want to trade up to get a QB either. My point simply is that I probably wouldn’t have an issue with them if they did trade up. While i get the question marks on this group, I think people are shorting these QBs a little.
    ***
    I think both Darnold and Rosen have serious potential. I wouldn’t be surprised if either of them became really good QBs. After that, I can see some drop off, but lots of people think Allen has a lot of potential too. I’m a little less sold on him, but I get the potential. I think Mayfield is more than just a small, rah-rah guy who is a Manziel waiting to happen. I think he too has potential to be a top 10 QB…but nothing about him really jumps off the screen at me. He looks like a risk, and i’m not sure the payoff will be there. Then, there are 2-3 other guys who could end up being long term starters.
    ***
    I think this is a very strong QB class with possibly 2 very high end guys at the top and a handful of other potential starters. That’s pretty good….and you all know I hate QBs. Lol If they decide going after one of them is worth it…fine….I could live with it. I get going for a QB. It costs a lot, but they don’t simply fall in your lap very damn often. Acting like none of these guys is worth it is confusing to me…it’s just a matter of how much you’re willing to give up to go get him.

  24. Tim Knight says:

    Oh yeah and Gase also kept his foot on the pedal when we blew out Denver last year 35-9. LOL

  25. D says:

    D says:
    March 28, 2018 at 6:46 pm

    I dont think that Denver would trade anyways, they are sitting in a perfect spot to take Nelson. QB or not im pretty sure they dont trade out of that spot.

  26. D says:

    Ken says:
    March 28, 2018 at 6:29 pm

    His actions don’t bother but I don’t think he has the athletic measurables to be elite at the next level
    ———————————
    I think its you and i that like Allen the best, but with Myfield id be ok with the selection. I think given what Gase is saying he wants to do at the position Mayfield would work. He isnt the best QB for any system but, again going off Gase’s limited but specific discussion about his offensive concepts, it sounds to me that he would be a fit. I would be ok with Rosen as well, im just not a fan at all of Darnold. I dislike his personality even more than Mayfield. I do think Mayfield has a little something extra though, that quote Gase had about Mayfield kind of sums up what i feel about him. I think he has a competitive fire that’s a bit stronger than the rest of these guys so there is definitely something to work with and i think definitely something that is unique enough to justify both a selection at 11 or even a trade up. Again, Gase knows best what he is willing to give up to get him so ill just leave the trade up or not discussion TBD.

    On a personal note though, Allen is the only on i personally feel is worth trading up for.

  27. Rockphin says:

    D says:
    March 28, 2018 at 3:36 pm

    So you freak out if he feels so confident in a guy that he trades up….do you really trust his decisions then?
    Reply

    In reality it isn’t that important to me so I wouldn’t freak out either way, but it’s against what I feel is responsible team management and the odds of success so I will argue against it. The Miami Dolphins are an emotional escape for me but at the end of the day their record doesn’t really have any direct effect on the quality of my life.

    Cam Cameron was going to win the next one every freakin week until he did.

    I will root for anyone they trot out there and then come and bitch about or defend them on here (WHOMEVER “they” are)

    I just don’t see the evidence that in the last decade having a first round QB has made the difference. What the evidence has shown me more is that continuity and building a program has lead to success.

    Getting the right program in place and finally developing players in it is the most important thing.

    There is NOT ONE of the QB’s on that list I posted above that would have lifted any of the Dolphins TEAMS in the last 10 years to a championship..

    Not one.

    There wont be on in the future either.

    • Tim Knight says:

      What supports your theory is Foles was a backup, Keenum was a backup who took the reins and ran with it, and Bortles who most people don’t think is very good even as a former 1st rd pick. All 4 championship teams were solid overall. The Pats are always different and aren’t we tired of saying that? LOL

    • D says:

      I really mean you no disrespect Rock, i just cant follow your logic. I dont fault you your opinion on it, but i do feel i have offered up plenty of evidence to show the importance of doing whatever it takes to add the players you want for your team, especially at QB regardless of the strategy (trade up, trade back, stay put).

      You have to be smart with what you spend because you can certainly hurt the team in the long run, but this discussion shouldnt include that because we dont know whats the right move, we dont know what move they will make and we dont know what it will cost them.

      You just have to have some faith in them to get it right and like you said, who gives a fuck if they mess up, its a team i love but its not going to wreck my life if they traded our first round picks for the next 20 years, im still going to be excited that maybe the pick they got will have a profound affect on our team.

  28. Rockphin says:

    I never said it was stupid to take a QB in the first (if that was addressed to me Mike) I even said if Gase took one at 11 I would approve. I just think it is so wasteful in a league with the Cap to waste young cheep players and depend so much on free agency. Throwing away draft capital (more scratch off tickets, better odds winning) for low percentage gambles is a waste IMO. You need to build and keep building and building through the draft, 7-10 players per year, mostly lower round picks is not enough to do it successfully unless your track record is excellent and you are very lucky without throwing away.

    I liked Carroo. I HATED the trade.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I didn’t mind the trade, I’m disappointed in Carroo. 😉

    • D says:

      You trust Gase or not? If you do then you cant not trust what they do to get his players. Gase wanted Caroo, gase and the FO felt like it was worth the rade, boom trade happens, and we get the player. Lament all you want over the trade but its over and done with, at that point in time it made sense to them and now it loos like a waste, you hit and you miss, you learn from both so next time hopefully you have less misses and more hits. Its simple as that.

  29. Ken says:

    D:
    I am definitely high on Allen. His athleticism is off the charts. I like Rozen a lot too

    • Tim Knight says:

      I think Allen in time could be a scary QB. I don’t think he’ll be great early on though. Elway actually wasn’t an efficient QB early on either, but he pulled close games out. The Broncos were a good overall team when he joined them, the Orange Crush etc., until they played the NFC. LOL

      • D says:

        I think he has a 2 year cook timer in a best case scenario, which we could provide. I think he could be a take over next year kind of guy, but for sure 2 years with Gase and Tanny in the QB room with him and i think we could have one hell of a prospect.

  30. Rockphin says:

    My argument isn’t against taking a first round QB. My argument is it will more than likely be a waste of draft picks to move up to get one. 2-3 out of the last 22 first round QB’s taken are elite. I will bet you my fucking house that ALL FOUR of the “top QB’s” this year will not be stars. I will go further and bet you most of them will not. So go ahead and trade up for one and be FORCED to go free agent for another position again and again. Either other teams cast offs or guys who make too much.

  31. Rockphin says:

    We have a first round QB D that’s what I’m saying. We have a top 10 first round QB. (Both sides of the isle can spin that how they like and it still makes my point)

    • D says:

      I know, but again, so you dont take one until he is gone or you add a guy and worst Case scenario you wind up with two guys you could see as your starter, you either keep rolling with Tanny and trade the other or vice versa, then you are getting draft capitol back, so again, its hard to say your losing anything, you are giving yourself options and your creating a really nice next man up scenario.

  32. Rockphin says:

    So Mike, what I think I’m reading from you is it is better to give up 3-4 first and second round picks for the chance that someone might beat out Tannehill because you could probably get a 3 or even 2nd round pick for T-hill at that point?

    Which of those 22 QBs above would have changed the course of this franchise over the last 10 years? Which one? Would trading 6 years worth of 1st round picks for Tom Brady or Aaron Rogers 8 years again have changed this team to the perennial superbowl team?

    • Mike E. says:

      Nah man, if you read what I wrote, I said this year’s RD1 and RD 3 or 4, and next year’s RD1. It’s not that huge a haul. Tim was the one that said what if Tannehill plays great this season , what do you do? I told him what you could do, and that really would be the ideal situation. Believe me, I’m a Tannefan, I want him to succeed, but I also understand why it could benefit our team in the long run if we draft a QB for our future. I don’t know what to expect from Tanny, I hope for the best, and if he can play like he did in ’16, we’re in great shape.

  33. Mike E. says:

    Rock

    Look at this list, and tell me how many of these guys were indispensable . . .

    There aren’t too many my friend, so if we have to give one up to get a QB, I’m cool with it. Our 3rd picks may be worse, we have whiffed on a ton of those too.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Miami_Dolphins_first-round_draft_picks

    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/mia/draft.htm

  34. Rockphin says:

    Rob, I’m just in a lawyer type arguing mood, LOL soooo

    I see your points, but I will counter point that Drake had superior YAC than Ajayi did with the dolphins last year.

    One of the main reasons Ajayi is gone is because of his negative / 0 yard plays.

    I agree that Tannehill plays much better when the offense is balanced. He is VERY good at play action so the run game is important. There has to be a threat of the run for PA to succeed.

    this last one is just a jab

    Having 8 in the box cannot possibly help Tannehill because everyone knows he can’t throw down field and lives off the dink and dunk and if the box is crowded it just makes the short passing game that much harder…..

    😉

  35. sb7mvp says:

    It’s not Mike E. Tradey Pants?

  36. mf13ss says:

    So let me get this right… LOL

    At least HALF of this board is going to be PIZZED OFF, regardless of what we do with our 1st round selection!

    • Tim Knight says:

      Nope! I will adapt because what’s the point in living in the past, it’s over. 🙂

      Like when baseball teams protest a game. Yeah that always means something. LOL

    • wyoming85 says:

      Nope.
      Just don’t see the value in trading up!
      But that is JMHO

  37. Tim Knight says:

    All of this is on Gase. It’s been put together by Ross that MTP lol and Grier go get the players Gase wants. It’s that simple. He’s the HC and the leader of the football team. If his way works we’ll all be high fiving and having a good time. If it flops he’ll get fired at some point and who knows what the nest phase will be. Try to see some light at the end of the tunnel, I mean geez we do have talent to work with. This team is going to be quite different than the 2017 team and it’s not just because of who we moved on from. Much of this team has been assembled over the last 2-3 years. That’s usually Randy’s time frame. LOL

  38. Rockphin says:

    Ken says:
    March 28, 2018 at 6:29 pm

    His actions don’t bother but I don’t think he has the athletic measurables to be elite at the next level
    Reply

    Either do Brees or Brady.

    • Ken says:

      Disagree. Brees in particular has a much better arm. Brady is significantly taller with a bigger frame.

      • Rockphin says:

        yeah but brady has never been physically dominant I think the edge both those players have is their minds. Rogers too in a way, but he is physically dominant.

  39. Rockphin says:

    D says:
    March 28, 2018 at 7:16 pm

    You trust Gase or not?

    I’m on the fence with Gase but going to give him the benefit of the doubt another season. Do I have faith in Tannenbum. Fuck no. He traded up for Butt-fumble and then gave him a big extension.

  40. Rockphin says:

    you hit and you miss, you learn from both so next time hopefully you have less misses and more hits. Its simple as that.

    more picks better odds of hitting.

    simple as that

  41. wyoming85 says:

    Where the fuck am I?????????
    Did a guy named Randy just say something good about the QB position?????????

    BIZZARO WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  42. Rockphin says:

    What were those? Prairie dogs? That was hilarious.

  43. Rockphin says:

    LOL @ mike e’s argument that we suck at picking 2nd, 3rd & 4th round guys so it’s not a waste to trade those picks away.

    At least HALF of this board is going to be PIZZED OFF, regardless of what we do with our 1st round selection!
    Reply

    Damn RIght MF!! LOL

  44. ocalarob says:

    Marlins are going all the way this year!

  45. Tim,
    That’s exactly my point. When you have everything going well with the team, the offensive line is run blocking and pass blocking well, when the rb’s are running the ball well, when special teams is doing it’s job and the defense is doing what it’s supposed to be doing you only need a qb to be “efficient”.

    You don’t need a qb to be elite. So, there’s any number of guys who fit that description. You don’t need to pay a guy upwards of $15-20M/ yr or more for being “efficient” and you probably don’t even need to draft a guy in the first rd for that.

    You get a defense that’s top ten and surround your qb with skill players and give him an o-line that can do it’s job and you’re qb is just a guy.

    • ocalarob says:

      Phil Simms?

    • Tim Knight says:

      Yes, but Tannehill’s athleticism is elite and so is his ability to roll and throw. Put him in the right offense like Alex Smith and he will prosper. He’s more talented than Smith. It took Smith a lot of years to find his game. Let’s see if Tannehill trends where he left off or does he take a step back. That will set the tone for 2019. It is what it is. The team is committed to Tannehill regardless of what we do in the draft. I’m rolling with that direction is all.

      It’s not like there will never be another QB available the next few years. Nobody is even sold on this QB class. They’re just ranking them down the wire. There has never been a consensus about these guys. Buyer beware.

      I’d feel better reaching in the 2nd for a QB you like over trading a lot of draft compensation for any of the 4 top QBs. But that’s just me. I would trade down, reach a bit for a TE getting an extra pick or two, and reach for a QB in the 2nd over a 1st rd trade up. We still have a 3rd and two 4ths to address other positions.

      A trade down in the 1st for extra picks helps alleviate “the reach” because of extra compensation. Reaching for a QB in the 2nd is not a killer.

  46. Rockphin says:

    Ok, caught up to the bottom of the blog and have no one left to argue with. BBL

    Nogtih all

  47. Rockphin says:

    In parting, while searching for depressed robot I came across this

  48. ocalarob says:

    Lou, i don’t think a “manager QB” is what Gase is trying to do, I think Gase wants to slam the football down the throats of opposing D’s, he’s very offensive minded and it wouldn’t surprise me if he took Ridley

    • I don’t think it’s what he wants to do either. The qb in his system is going to need to make quick decisions and get that ball out quickly and it’s going to be interesting to see how well the offense is executed this season. I agree that he wants to slam the football down the throats of opposing D’s. I said before that I don’t think he wants to score 25 ppg or even 27 ppg; he wants to score 40 ppg.

  49. Rockphin says:

    Taking 1st round QB = Good
    Trading away multiple draft picks to do it = Bad

    That is all.

  50. ocalarob says:

    If it flops he’ll get fired at some point and who knows what the nest phase will be. Try to see some light at the end of the tunnel
    ____________________________________

    taking the above comments into consideration……… somehow i’m not seeing the light??

  51. Rockphin says:

    My question is this…..and I’m serious this is a very important question…..

    IF (now I know it’s hard to imagine things so far out of reality) IF the Dolphins hadn’t drafted Thill and somehow acquired Nick Foles would Lou skip everywhere he went 24/7

  52. Mike E. says:

    M – There’s always those that want this player or that player, but it seems like no one really loses their shit over it, as far as our 1st pick. If we stay put and take a LB or DT, or S, I don’t think most people will be upset. If we trade up to get a QB, some will be stoked, some will be pissed, and others won’t be sure. If we stay at #11 and take a QB, I think most people will be happy, as long as it;s one of the top 4.

  53. Mike E. says:

    LOL @ SB – Nope, not Mike E Tradey Pants. 🙂

  54. Tim Knight says:

    ORob, look at our current roster and think about how many games these guys have played together. It’s not many. We have no idea what the 2018 53 man will look like or perform like. That should be the fun in it. The prior same group was 6-10, 10-6 and 6-10.

    I think we will be better for sure than we were last year. I mean playoffs. For lots of reasons.

  55. ElephantRider says:

    Which half of the board will I be?

    I’ll let everyone know in a couple years

  56. ElephantRider says:

    Going to be a long month til draft….

  57. Tim Knight says:

    For me Kilgore 8th has a body of work that shows he’s a solid center.
    Sitton 11th is the best guard we’ve had in years.
    The vet Larsen 9th vs. the young Davis 2nd is good competition.
    Tunsil as a young LT in his 3rd season.
    James still a young RT in his 5th season.

    Then besides depth maybe some other guys surprise. It looks solid on paper.

    New OL coach and a somewhat new group of players. Hope for the best. It’s won’t be exactly the same. 😉

    • ElephantRider says:

      Line definitely improved as far as starters are concerned. Just having your C practice with the team is a huge plus. Sitton should also improve Tunsil. Just a matter of health now.

  58. Tim Knight says:

    My own mock, not a simulator.
    Rd 1 Pick 11 (11) DT Vita Vea
    Rd 2 Pick 10 (42) TE Mike Gesicki
    Rd 3 Pick 9 (73) RB Sony Michel
    Rd 4a Pick 23 (123) QB Kyle Lauletta
    Rd 4b Pick 31 (131) C/G Scott Quessenberry
    Rd 6 Pick 35 (209) LB Jack Cichy
    Rd 7a Pick 9 (227) FS Sean Chandler
    Rd 7b Pick 11 (229) OT KC McDermott

  59. herdfan says:

    One thing is for sure. Gase is making this a team of ‘his guys’. Can’t blame him to want that. They don’t win and he’s going to be out of a job eventually. So we’ll see how he does with the team he puts together.

  60. ElephantRider says:

    Stuck getting no sleep to watch Phins v stej replay on NFLN

    Oh well. At least we are going to win!

  61. I’m actually beginning to really like the idea of a Ridley/Michel 1st & 2nd rd. However, tough to say if Michel would be around when we pick in the 2nd

    • D says:

      I think he is the second best back in the draft, i think he is more than likely going to go mid to late first, i think Guice is the one that will fall to the second. So maybe Ridley/Guice

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