It’s not all fun and games being an intergalactic agent. You make quite a few enemies when you threaten the entire existence of everyone on the planet.
And sometimes – you even get caught and have to accept whatever the local punishment is for your crimes…
Like that pesky Sarlacc Pit…
OUCH!!! (turning to an alien poking him in the back with a spear) Okay already…I’m moving…I’m moving!
Having to jump into the Sarlacc Pit is one of those uncomfortable realities you have to accept – kind of like when the Dolphins released Ndamukong Suh. Having to look at defensive tackles in this draft is sort of like rotting in a belly for 100 years for some of us. But we have to accept it.
So let’s take a look at Maurice Hurst:
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The Positives: So offense you want to snap the ball and run your play…well Hurst is going to be in the backfield before you know it, so look out. Hurst is a penetrator and was one of the most disruptive forces in college football in 2017. That’s his game – once the ball is snapped Hurst demonstrates the type of initial quickness to get in the backfield to kill the play before it gets started.
In three years at Michigan, Hurst gathered 13.5 sacks including 5 and 5.5 over the last tow years. He also had 32 tackles for a loss in his career surpassing 10 in each of the last tow years.
Hurst is very good against the run and against the pass. He gets immediate penetration right up the middle. That’s the kind of pressure a team can use against a team like the Patriots.
The Negatives: Far be it from this stringbean alien to call some one that is 280 pounds light, but that is undersized for an NFL defensive tackle. Because he is undersized, Hurst is one of the few prospects scouts appear to universally agree about. Almost everyone says he’s a 3 technique defensive tackle in an NFL 4-3. Hurst did some play some nose tackle at Michigan and occasionally he was overpowered, so most people don’t project he will hold up very well in the NFL at NT.
Hurst was excused from the NFL Combine with a medical red flag. Its a heart condition that cam up during his freshman year at Michigan, so its not a surprise to Hurst, but it might hurt his stock. Hurst has since been cleared to play in the NFL and recently had a very good performance at Michigan’s pro day.
His favorite team growing up was the Patriots – so yuk.
The Alien Dust: That heart condition might be a blessing in disguise for a team like the Dolphins. You might recall a heart condition caused Star Lotulelei to drop a few years ago in the draft. Lotulelei has had a pretty good NFL career so far despite the draft day drop. Lotulelei was a more highly coveted prospect that Hurst is. So I wonder, will this projected first rounder drop into the 2nd round? If he does – he’s a steal in the 2nd round.
I mentioned his favorite team was the Patriots. That’s because his mom was a Patriots cheerleader. His father, who he has never met, was a defensive back for the Patriots who wore the number 37. That’s why Hurst wears the number 73, the inverse of 37. Doesn’t sound like a great relationship there.
Maurice Hurst is this year draft’s version of The Sarlacc Pitt
You can watch his highlights here
Finsmob Unleashed 
mf13ss says:
March 27, 2018 at 8:43 pm
And according to Spotrac, the best ‘OUT’ for the Rams ridding themselves of Brockers is ’19.
Seems Brockers is staying put in LA this year.
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and that’s what I figured. I jumped on Armando’s suggestion that Brocker’s could be traded because of his cap hit but when Suh was being seen as the NT then it wouldn’t make sense since they would need Brocker’s to play along side of him.
we always complain about how national sports media knows nothing about our team and this is a similar example; Armando failing to see what’s going on
Armando in not national, but I think he is too busy trying to be some kind of a star in his own right so he constantly degrades the team management.
There’s only 1 guy I’m good with moving up for and that’s Rosen. He’s the one guy in this draft who is our franchise qb going forward. Smart kid, excellent football I.Q. and has the ability to challenge Tannehill and make him expendable right out of the gate and the ability to transform the offense with him at the qb position.
The 7-1 stretch with RT17 as starting QB in 2016 he threw 13 TDs and 5 INT. I don’t know where you get your stats from.
Ajayi did not rush over a 100 yards in the final 5 games of that 7-1 stretch.
go look again. 3 td’s, 3 int’s in 4 of those 7 wins which he so masterfully played
Ok so cherry pick….where was the awesome run game in 5 of those wins?
Point is he’s capable of doing it. Consistency is the only issue left.
In the last 4 of those wins he was 10TD and 2INT all without a 100yd rusher.
I can’t believe Suh is happy playing NT in a 3-4. Wasn’t the narrative about switching to a 3-4 in Miami always about Suh not wanting to play NT?
I thought Suh flatly refused to play NT.
I’m neither a Tannehater or Tannelover. I think he gets unfair criticism at times and isn’t a horrible QB. He needs to up his game and I’m sure he knows the clock is ticking. The whole team needs to step it up.
Just for once, I’d like to see a season play out with all our guys performing at about 90% of max talent across the board. No hurricanes, no skipping bye weeks, no pitiful OL or bunch of bums at DB or TE or anywhere, no coaches or #3 picks on drugs, no massive injuries wiping out whole positions, no wack jobs at HC, GM, LB, etc. no bullying scandals, nothing but straight up football.
This franchise needs to get its feet on the ground and get some traction, see who our best players really are, replace the rest and then build on that.
and FAST I mean.
So now I know what a catch is!
According to the rule change and or clarification here is what a catch is
1. Control
2. Two feet down or another body part
3. A football move such as
A third step, reaching or extending for the goal line
Or the ability to perform such an act
Okay I’m really not sure what a catch is
That last part throws me
They went back to a football move. Like it used to be.
MF13 you could always read the books?
I know it’s an old school concept!
But if it makes you feel any better I don’t actually buy the physical books anymore I read them on my Kindle, or online! 😉
Mike E. says:
March 27, 2018 at 7:16 pm
I don’t see us as SB bound this year, or even deep playoff contenders, so I have no problem getting our QB, and then building around that QB in the next few drafts.
Tim Knight says:
March 27, 2018 at 7:23 pm
Nobody saw that with the Eagles off of 7-9 either. Sometimes a season is special. It’s not like we have no talent. We also don’t know who we’ll have after the draft. Things change quickly in this league.
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Mike,
This is why the FO needs to be honest as well as the posters on this board. If we want to see playoffs this year and future years after this one, trading up for a QB this year is going to keep that from happening. However, if they are willing to take a step back this year and look for the next 10 years then yes, go for it.
Tim,
Comparing the Eagles to this team is pretty intellectually dishonest though. Our team has been in constant turmoil since the beginning of the salary cap era and they have been perennially successful. From the FO, to the coaching, to the roster they are superior. You can’t honestly look at the two teams and our two situations and make a comparison for hope in regards to trading up for a QB this year and say in the same breath that it’s possible we’ll have a special year like the Eagles did last year. Can it happen? Yeah, anything is pretty much possible, but it’s not realistic.
would anyone like to give up our 1st…2nd and 4th…and probably a mid rnd selection next year for Mayfield???
No!
professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
March 28, 2018 at 5:37 am
go look again. 3 td’s, 3 int’s in 4 of those 7 wins which he so masterfully played
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There’s more to playing QB than just throwing TD’s in order to get victories and you know this. Also, don’t strawman my response like you did with ER. You’re still cherry picking stats in order to give a biased look at Tannehill. You didn’t want to draft him, we get it. Pretty much everyone here knows what he is and what he isn’t. There’s no need to take things people are saying and hyperbolize them so you can argue against it.
C’mon man…if you take hyperbole away, half the content of the board disappears!
How am I cherry picking? 4 of 7 is a majority of games and in the one loss everyone seems to want to ignore he threw 1 td and 3 ints. Look at the TEN game before that stretch. Or doesn’t it fit the narrative.
When was last time anybody on this team showed up against Baltimore?
And you just changed what you said earlier…..
I included that loss in the 7-1 stretch stats. You threw that out to choose 3 wins. I gave you the last 4 wins he played numbers.
He played very good ball for 4 of the last 5 weeks he was playing. I’ll take that stretch all year.
I said in 4 of the 7 games we won. Read
I don’t understand Suh at NT either
I find it hard to beleive he signed with the Rams tonplay NT
Like SB7 said… we all know what RT17 is and isn’t. The way he was playing before the injury shows to me that he’s capable of being a really good QB. Will he consistently put it together? We’ll find out.
That’s the thing. I think even the people here who are willing to give Tannehill the time of day realize his ceiling isn’t much higher than the way he played the last 9 games of the ’16 season. On the other hand, I have no problem getting a QB this year, even trading up for one, because we’re in a great spot with Tannehill contract wise. We have him under contract so he can play while our young QB learns the NFL. In 2 years, if our QB is ready, or even next year, if it’s clear that Tanny isn’t the guy, and the new QB is, we can either try to trade Tanny, or just cut him. I don’t see losing an extra 1st RD pick, and maybe another 3rd RD pick this year and next year, destroying our team. It would be ideal if say if Mayfield was the QB we want if he just fell to #11, but I’m not sure that M-T-P can control himself and take a chance on that happening, and I actually get it. If you see the QB you want, get him. It makes more sense than trading 3 picks for DT3 or LC3 in my mind
SB – You think Tim is being intellectually dishonest? Is it possible, or more likely he’s just being dishonest? 😉
Maybe there’s a pickle jar involved.
Dan Marino had a game against Dallas where he threw 0 TD aside 5 INT. Guess they should have cut him then.
That was 1999. They could have really saved themselves heartache if they would have cut him in 1987 after he threw 0 TD and 3 INT against Buffalo. Obviously a sign of things to come.
Then there was that Montana guy in ‘94 – 0 TD and 3 INT against the Rams. What a loser!
I can’t believe we are debating Tannehill this much. The last time he played we were a playoff bound team and he had a QBR over 90. He didn’t play last year and we were 6-10 and his replacement had a QBR in the 70s.
Uhm… How long have you been on this board? Lol
LOL. Just some times the circular nature of the argument just gets to me
LOL
Gotta bitch about something until they screw up the draft! Lol
I can’t believe it’s opening day for MLB tomorrow! Crazy!
SB – You know what that means . . . . right? lol
Don’t tell The Pig about this guy!
https://twitter.com/fadde/status/978981356624429056
https://twitter.com/PhinsComNews/status/978965359935016961
that’s my kicker!
Cespedes
Yes!!! 🙂
You’ll never guess!
sb7, I was talking about the Eagles in recent years, not since the FA period started. They were not a good team in 2016 and then they were in 2017. That’s all I was saying.
Right, but they weren’t a good team the year they traded up for a QB, which is what the context of the discussion was about. There was also more to their success than just a QB change and getting lucky. The FO and coaching staff had well thought out and executed plans. Ours hasn’t.
The season hasn’t happened yet. We have never seen the current team play yet. We don’t know who we drafted yet. Let’s also see where Tannehill is at. All I’m saying is it’s possible.
I also pointed out that it wasn’t just about the Eagles getting Wentz. They had one of those seasons where it all comes together.
When this mock started and Mayfield fell to 11 I thought well this is going to fuck up my whole draft. Then my targets stayed on the board WAY past when they should have. Into the next round even. I would be tickled to pissing myself if this could happen.
YOUR TEAM
MIAMI DOLPHINS
YOUR PICKS
1: R1P11 QB BAKER MAYFIELD OKLAHOMA
2: R2P10 G BILLY PRICE OHIO STATE
3: R3P9 TE DALLAS GOEDERT SOUTH DAKOTA STATE
4: R4P23 LB SHAQUEM GRIFFIN CENTRAL FLORIDA
5: R4P31 RB KALEN BALLAGE ARIZONA STATE
6: R6P35 K EDDY PINIERO FLORIDA
7: R7P9 FB DIMITRI FLOWERS OKLAHOMA
8: R7P11 S GODWIN IGWEBUIKE NORTHWESTERN
of course I picked a LB with only one hand….
ocalarob says:
March 28, 2018 at 7:56 am
would anyone like to give up our 1st…2nd and 4th…and probably a mid rnd selection next year for Mayfield???
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wyoming85 says:
March 28, 2018 at 8:21 am
No!
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Wyoming85, you left something out. Not just no, but F**K NO!
Ok, who predicted that Jax would be playing in the AFC conference game last year? anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
Yes, Miami CAN make the Superbowl this year. Every season teams drop out that made it the year before and teams that were bottom feeders move up 10 wins. SOOOO much of the game is luck and / or match ups. A safety has a bad day and gives up a TD that seals a game, or a ref calls a penalty or doesn’t call a penalty, or the ball bounces funny. Too much chance goes into every game to say we can’t win the superbowl this year.
But that’s the point. We need a complete team with an elite D because we have average qb play like JAX
Mark freakin Sanchez made it to two AFC championships. Ryan Freaking Tannehill certainly can!
Well Ryan hasn’t played in a game in over a year so he probably forgot what football was. No way he can get his career back on track, it’s just not possible. 😉
Odds are against him
I didn’t cherry pick. I SAID in 4 of the 7 games that people claim Tannehill WON for us he played less than stellar.
so you are saying he played stellar in three games? That is more than you have ever admitted about him!
And Tim started it when he brought up the 7-1 stretch and made the claim it was because of Tannehill’s play
I said he helped us do that, not that it was all him. I never give the QB all the credit. He played well, efficient, not great. It’s a fact, not an opinion, it happened. He had one bad game during that stretch against the Ravens but so did the entire team, we got our asses kicked 38-6.
Well, for all you wanting to move up and get Mayfield, that’s what it will take.
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Rockphin says:
March 28, 2018 at 10:55 am
ocalarob says:
March 28, 2018 at 7:56 am
would anyone like to give up our 1st…2nd and 4th…and probably a mid rnd selection next year for Mayfield???
Reply
wyoming85 says:
March 28, 2018 at 8:21 am
No!
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Wyoming85, you left something out. Not just no, but F**K NO!
It depends on where we need to go to trade up. I think you need to get to no less than 6 and that’s going to be more expensive than what is listed here. More like a 1 and 2 this year and next year.
It will take more than Tannehill dropping back like the statue of liberty with her dress up to have offensive success, it will take a consistent running game where D’s will have to game plan to stop the run diverting resources from pass pro, then Tannehill might look sharp.
Drake is not that back, Gore is if he can stay healthy at his age
I expect us to draft a RB in this draft that will help as well. We can’t just go forth with those 2 (Drake and Gore), and whoever else we have on the roster, like Senorise Perry or Brandon Radcliff
Perry might remain as the 4th because he’s good on STs.
You are wrong on many levels in this post Rob.
First, you are reverting back to Henne days. Tannehill doesn’t drop back like a statue, his is actually (statistically) better on the move.
Drake IS that kind of back as he showed after he took over last year. You are so far off base about Defenses having to game plan for Ajayi. That is a fantasy in your head. It never happened. He had THREE great games. Two against buffalo. The rest of the year he was mediocre. He reverted to mediocre the beginning of this year.
Ba-Da-Boom
in 2016 the dolphins had a new coach, new OC, new offensive system with new offensive terminology that very few on the offense were familiar with and it took several games to get up to speed. after a while it clicked and the team INCLUDING Tannehill started playing well. It WAS NOT Ajayi only as some have tried to postulate. Ajayi had THREE great games. the rest were average to below average. Tannehill was part
This debate is tiresome. Perception trumps reality.
We’ll just have to see what kind of team we are in 2018. Not what the psychics say, what actually happens. 🙂
You guys keep ignoring key facts that went into the success of other teams when they had good years following bad ones. Like I said before, it’s possible, but it’s not probable. Let’s live in reality.
Also, I have this discussion with the same people every 2-3 years.
on one of these days you will be wrong! LOL 😉
It’s possible but not probable? Why not? You have no idea what the 2018 team will look like.
Everyone focuses on this offseason and the draft. There are a bunch of other players on the team that can have breakout seasons. That’s just as important as anything we do this offseason.
Any talk about trading up for a QB should be considered insanity. We have a serviceable QB with a revamped OL and a ton of weapons and likely to add more with a TE or 2 and another RB. To trade up for one is just plain crazy. White, Ferguson and Falk can be taken in the mid rounds. If they take Mayfield at 11 and Nelson or Raq were there, I will be pissed!
When Raekwon goes to the probowl this year….
Weren’t there a bunch of peeps here who liked Cravens?
On this board? Yes. Denver was pretty much the only person in strong contention for him this off season. Washington was going to cut him at one point.
Thats kinda the way the Patriots did with Garopolo this time of year last year. Just put something stupid out there and said if you are dumb enough make the deal and if not stfu and lets quiet down this noise.
SB7 i know what you are saying about trading up and trading away draft capitol but loss of even a first in a future draft isnt that big of a deal. If we were taling about giving up 3 future firsts or something crazy, sure i completely agree with that, but if there is a reasonable price on that trade up, i dont see there being a reason not to do it if you are finding a potential franchise player.
IMO Allen is that type of guy, Mayfield maybe be as well, Rosen too. Im not as high on the latter two as i am on Allen but people in the know seem to be, so im just going off what seems to be their opinion of it. Its hard to say what kind of damage it will do to us until we know what kind of damage we are talking about.
I guess im assuming we wouldn’t do it unless it was reasonable, maybe you are assuming MTP will sell the farm. I guess a couple questions i have to gauge why you have that opinion is what do you think the offer would have to be to move up, and what do you think is too much to give up to get a guy who our coaches believe is “the guy”.
BBMike, no offense but how is it insanity to trade up, if thats what it takes, to get the player you want. Outside looking in, we dont have a clue how much the team values a certain player, we only perceive what we feel like is just compensation. If they make the deal then by definition he was worth it, and it wouldnt be an insane deal because teams do it all the time in the same position we are in. Hell the Chiefs did it just last year. You do what need to to get the player you want, there are no insane moves, there are just moves that dont work out as planned and hindsight makes them look like insane moves.
I dont really think i have seen too many “insane” trade ups, outside maybe the RG3 one, which to me wasnt so much the trade up that was insane but the 3 firsts they gave up to make that move. Philly’s trade up wasnt crazy to me, Chicagos was borderline just because that was way too much to move up one flippin spot lol. KC’s wasn’t insane to me. None of those really screamed insanity and it wouldn’t scream insanity to me if we did it this year.
A lot of people defended the RG3 trade up at the time
“If you think it’s your guy then you have to go for it”
I hear the same about the Dolphins trading up now
And that’s why I don’t want to trade up…lol
Im not against them trading up, but i also know what a logical compensation is for that move, those guys for sure know what the logical compensation for that move would be, so if it isnt one of those well we went WAY outside logical compensation then i cant see it being a bad move. Not to get a QB that you really believe in.
I keep seeing reference to MTP. Is that short for Mikey Trady Pants?
I remember Su’a Cravens being in a lot of mock simulators on here. I wonder why Washington moved on fro him?
Trade up? NO! Trade back and get more picks? YES..
Some tidbits from Gase.
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article207027879.html
My guess he is going to need a job soon?
We are DOOMED! DOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMEEEED!!
There is no way any of the 64 players currently on the roster, who’s average age is 25.85 years old can possible get any better.
we only have 8 players on the roster who are 30 or older. Cam Wake is the oldest at 36. Oh, wait Denney is 39. DAMN! we better draft a LS! I will modify my upcoming mocks…..
Tim Knight says:
March 27, 2018 at 8:57 pm
D, any team looking to get into the top 6 outside of the top 10 is going to get fleeced.
Let’s say we love Mayfield and trade up to #2. What do you think that will cost?
What do you think that will cost at #4?
I doubt Denver trades down. I think they stay put or trade up for a QB.
What do you think that will cost at #6?
My guess would be minimum, the obvious swap of a 1st this year along with a 2nd, and a 1st and 2nd next year. For a QB who won’t be penciled in as a starter in 2018 and is unproven, on a team that is constructed to compete this year. It doesn’t make sense to me.
You don’t sign vet players if you’re starting over. Trading up for a QB says Ryan we don’t believe in you. Drafting a QB with a pick does not.
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Sorry just responding to that. I think this is at the core of the trade up debate, ie what we think will take in compensation.
I think it will take a swap of 1sts, next years 1 and maybe as much as a second this year, which would technically be giving them more in trade value than we are getting, but such comes with the price of a pick that’s in demand. I dont see it being what you are saying and it doesnt matter if he doesn’t take a snap this year, see the Chief and Mahomes, that’s close to what im thinking and its close to what i feel would be our scenario with the QB we drafted. Its a smart move to do things before you need them, not wait until its a situation where you are up Shit Creek with only your hands for paddles.
I think you are too protective of Tanny, if he is the competition beast you say him to be it doesnt matter when they take a QB, if they take him at 11 or at 6 it doesnt send any different message. The message is clear, we got a guy who is going to give you competition for the starting spot, stay on your game. Signing a vet player when we dont have anything behind Tanny doesnt say oh no we arent going to draft a QB in the first or we arent trading up, it just says we have a backup plan, we also dont have to trade up, but we still could. There is a lot of assuming going on, and these moves to me dont offer clarity on our path for this drat, not even close. Its just as indeterminable as it was before we signed Osweiler.
It has nothing to do with protecting Tannehill, it’s the trade up compensation I’d be concerned with. I’m all for drafting a QB and if one we like falls to #11 I have no problem taking him.
Why would oyu have a problem with trading up? If thats a guy our FO and coaches want, why is it a problem?
And i mentioned the protecting Tanny because you said “Trading up for a QB says Ryan we don’t believe in you.” So it seemed to me you are concenred with what that moves does to his confidence, ie we need to protect him from that.
Giving up too much compensation for one guy who may not impact our team this year or even next year. It would effect our ability to add impact players at other positions that we could really use.
If we do trade up, I’ll deal with it. LOL
I can’t answer for Tim, on why he wouldn’t trade up, but for me it’s a numbers thing. The more picks you have the higher percentage of getting some right. If you trade away all your good picks for one player who you THINK has potential you are lowering your odds by a yuge amount. YUGE.
I think that the value of draft picks is way overrated given the low success rate of the players picked.
It’s likely that this coaching staff and FO have to win now to keep their jobs. I think that’s why they signed vet guys in FA. I think that’s why we’ll see them make draft day decisions based on the short term too. Winning 5 years from now does them no good.
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And, just my opinion on drafting QBs, but if you never take a chance and go after one…you’ll probably never get one worth keeping. Typically, great QBs don’t just fall in your lap on draft day unless you’re drafting in the to 3. Most teams have to make moves to go get one. Going after a QB in round one this year isn’t going to hamstring the franchise for a decade. And, if it works, nobody will give a shit how many draft picks you had to give up to get one.
but it is a very low percentage bet. MOST do not become “franchise” players.
Do you split 10’s when the dealer is showing a 10?
would you double down on 14?
None of the QB’s in this draft (or any draft for that matter) are GUARANTEED to be better than Tannehill, this year or in the future. Why trade away your best chance to get good players (I.e. more tries at it)
It would effect our ability to add impact players at other positions that we could really use.
I agree, similar to the wasteful contract given to Suh limited our ability to keep / get impactful free agents.
Tim Knight says:
March 28, 2018 at 1:56 pm
Giving up too much compensation for one guy who may not impact our team this year or even next year. It would effect our ability to add impact players at other positions that we could really use.
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lol. I basically said this for the last two pages and you argued against it.
No I did not. I have never said I’m for trading up for one of these QBs. You’re thinking of someone else.
D, you can’t trade up for a QB – give up a lot of compensation and not play the guy for two years. Meaning if the team believes in Tannehill like they say they do, a trade like this contradicts that. So let’s say RT plays well in 2018 and we have a good season. He’s going to be the starter in 2019 so now that rookie QB sits again? Or do we look to trade him and hope the new QB steps in seamlessly and we continue our winning ways? You got things rolling and then you possibly stopped that progress. Also in that scenario, you don’t have top picks in 2019 either to get better. That’s a risky proposition.
Rock,
Ya can’t win if you don’t play! Lol
Stop it
If you don’t swing for the fence, you will never get to the fence.
that is wrong as well. Just swing it the right way every time and you will make it to the fence. If you try to crush the ball every pitch you will strike out way more than you will hit it over the fence. EVERY TIME
Which of these guys, or how many of them would you trade away next years first round pick and this years 2nd round pick for?
Jameis Winston, Florida State, Buccaneers
2. Marcus Mariota, Oregon, Titans
3. Blake Bortles, Central Florida, Jaguars
22. Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M, Browns
32. Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville, Vikings
16. EJ Manuel, Florida State, Bills
1. Andrew Luck, Stanford, Colts
2. Robert Griffin III, Baylor, Redskins
8. Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M, Dolphins
22. Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State, Browns
1. Cam Newton, Auburn, Panthers
8. Jake Locker, Washington, Titans
10. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, Jaguars
12. Christian Ponder, Florida State, Vikings
1. Sam Bradford, Oklahoma, Rams
25. Tim Tebow, Florida, Broncos
1. Matthew Stafford, Georgia, Lions
5. Mark Sanchez, USC, Jets
17. Josh Freeman, Kansas State, Buccaneers
3. Matt Ryan, Boston College, Falcons
18. Joe Flacco, Delaware, Ravens
1. JaMarcus Russell, LSU, Raiders
22. Brady Quinn, Notre Dame, Browns
1 Luck
I agree
Maybe Matt Ryan which is painful for me to say given the Jake Long pick
That’s the only one worth it
Winston, Stafford, Tannehill, Newton are next up
And imo they are only worth a first rounder
The way people ratiolize the value of picks is bullshit
There are so many misses and so many players that aren’t really much better than the next pick or 10 picks later
https://twitter.com/PhinsComNews/status/979058687024271362
Completely agree with this, there is no certainty of anything IMO and thats a sign of a pretty good off season so far because we could go in a ton of different direction from trade ups to trade backs to stay puts and we could select any number of different positions and could have any number of different draft strategies because of flexibility. Onpaper right now we have a solid base team to build around.
Thats basically what i have been getting at, all these we cant do this and we shouldnt do thats, in some other years sure there were obvious things we had to do, not so much this year. Its a wait and see for me because ive tried to piece togher what i thinks best and/or what i think they will do and ones strategy is about as good as another. I just want them to get the players they want.
I can tell he is missing the receiver in that pick
What are the odds? I say it’s about 44% chance of being a miss 😛
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 11: Mayfield, Baker, QB, Oklahoma (A-)
Round 2 Pick 10: Wynn, Isaiah, OG, Georgia (A)
Round 3 Pick 9: Chubb, Nick, RB, Georgia (A+)
Round 4 Pick 23: Schultz, Dalton, TE, Stanford (A+)
Round 4 Pick 30: Leonard, Darius, OLB/ILB, South Carolina State (A+)
Round 6 Pick 35: Jones, Justin, DT, North Carolina State (A+)
Round 7 Pick 5: Pineiro, Eddy, K, Florida (A+)
Round 7 Pick 11: Webb, Damon, SS, Ohio State (A+)
Meh, at least you got my kicker. LOL
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My Answer to my question above is NONE! (some others might say Luck or Newton, but they haven’t been “Great” the whole time since they were drafted either. .
of 23 first round QB’s above how many are “Franchise” guys?
A franchise QB is a guy you’re committed to. You might mean elite?
Matt Ryan has had the best career in that group
Let that sink in…
Oh Parcells, fuck you
Flacco too. Lots of playoff games and a championship.
But Flacco is kinda….eh…
You know…not so good IMO
At the time they were drafted, a bunch of them….. Mr hindsight… btw ya left out a bunch too, Aaron Rogers, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Troy Aikman, Dan Marino, John Elway, Jim Kelley,
All 3 of last years 1st round QB’s played pretty well and look to have have promising careers ahead, all 3 will be starting this year.All but one of the first rounders last year made the playoffs with their team, one lead their team to a Superbowl (though it was finished off by a different QB). The two from the year before have been starters from day 1, neither are setting records but their teams still consider them their franchise guy. Bridgewater is the only good one from 2014, and had it not been for a brutal injury he could be on a playoff team himself.
I mean you can paint this how ya feel but i think there is plenty of indication that you get what you pay for with a 1st round QB. Its no more a guarantee than any other pick in the first, but again, there are a lot of success stories too.
How many SB’s has Luck won Wyoming? Is he still the same player after 1 1/2 years of not playing and blowing out his throwing shoulder? Should the Colts be drafting his replacement this year like the Dolphins should be?
Don’t make me Marino you!
When I think about the prospect of taking Mayfield it actually makes me like the idea of Tannehill starting
See I knew I would agree with Lou eventually! 😉
Any one of these top 4-5 QBs has just as much potential as Tannehill coming out of college, so saying they aren’t “sure things” is kind of ridiculous and pointless. Rarely, if ever, is any QB a sure thing coming out of college, but you still gotta draft one sooner or later. I get it. Some think Tannehill can win games. Personally, I don’t think we will ever compete for a championship with him at QB, so I have no problem trying to find a better QB. If you think he can, then you probably have no desire to give up picks to draft another one.
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If we are sticking with Tannehill for the long haul, then we damn well better start drafting/building a whole lot better defense. Even in what some around here consider a good year for Tannehill in 2016, we were still middle of the pack in scoring offense. Around 17th if I remember correctly. That sort of scoring isn’t gonna win championships unless you have a phenomenal defense.
I think Tannehill can win a championship and I still wouldn’t mind a high pick QB. And if they believe in a guy enough to move up, so be it. I’ve said it before, at worst Tannehill plays better or the same and remains the starter. At best they get an elite QB.
Only one of the guys on my list above has a superbowl ring…..
So you cherry picked then? Wentz has a ring. Also, you left off a ton of guy like Brees and Rogers, both have rings both are 1st rounders. Peyton manning was a 1st rounder he has 2 rings. Eli Manning has two rings and he was a 1st rounder. Ben Roethlisberger, 3 rings.
Go look at the guys appearing in the playoffs almost every year and see what round the QB they had was taken in, and for the love of god done bring up the 6th rounder Brady discussion, because you know as well as i do that shit does not happen very often. Infact go look at the round the QB’s who have played in the superbowl have been from historically. You cannot have this argument.
I don’t think those guys met the criteria of what he was saying. You would trade up for the guys you mentioned.
Yeah I read he’s a guy who’s gonna be valued as a guy who can lineup somewhere on the OL not necessarily LT.
“Are we taking a guy just to take a guy? I mean I’d love to add a quarterback as much as anybody else but at the same time, I want it to be the right guy for us.” —- Gase
This is why trading up or trading back or staying still makes no damn difference, if its the right guy they should make whatever move they feel is right.
Who here really is going to flip their shit if we trade up and take a guy, and would it depend on the guy they took? There is a lot that is answer by that question.
I always just go with the flow because none of us control anything. But as fans we discuss what we would or wouldn’t do. To me trading up for a QB when you’re committed to a guy already doesn’t make much sense. If they fall to you, great, that’s one pick. I’m very surprised that all of a sudden giving away multiple high picks is no biggie to some of you now. When we trade mid picks to move up people lose their shit!!! Like a 4th to move up in the 2nd to get Howard, or the Carroo trade.
Trading a future 1st and multiple 2nd’s is risky business when you’re building your team to compete now.
All this debate is about is some are cool with going for it, and some don’t think this is the right time. There is no right or wrong answer.
The Flying Pig says:
March 28, 2018 at 2:26 pm
Matt Ryan has had the best career in that group
Let that sink in…
Flacco is the only one with a ring.
Just goes to show the falseness of people perceptions regarding needing a first round QB to win a SB.
I’m going to quote WY
Don’t make me Marino you
That’s a new angle?
D, I didn’t go back through the entire history of the draft! I only went back 10 years. I thought 10 years was a pretty fucking good sample size! I was’t cherry picking. I left out rookies because their isn’t enough information back for most of them. (Although first reaction seems it was a pretty good draft) Wetz has a ring because of the back up QB. he didn’t win a superbowl.
And Brees wasn’t a first round pick, so thanks again for helping MY argument. 😉
he was the 32nd pick, but he was the first pick of the second round….
I personally don’t see a QB worth trading up for!
But I could have a broken Jr GM Decoder ring ?
11: R1P11 G QUENTIN NELSON. NOTRE DAME
42: R2P10 WR CALVIN RIDLEY, ALABAMA
73: R3P9 TE HAYDEN HURST, S. CAROLINA
123: R4P23 LB DARIUS LEONARD, S. CAROLINA ST.
131: R4P31 QB MIKE WHITE, WESTERN KENTUCKY
Did you give up after the 4th round?
Meh
It’s a safety , CB, DL!
So, D, which of those guys is worth trading away your multiple high picks for? what is the percentage over the last 10 years of “elite” QB’s taken in the first round?
There have been MORE QB’s taken after the first round to have won superbowls than there have been first rounders. Check that stat…..
Superbowl LII Brady & Wentz (1st round) because i cannot see how you can say they get here without the way he was playing before he got hurt.
Superbowl LI Matt Ryan (1st round) vs Brady 6th
Superbowl L Peyton Manning (1st) vs Cam Newton (1st)
Superbowl XLIX Brady 6th vs Wilson 3rd — neither 1sts
Superbowl XLVIII Wilson 3rd vs Manning (1st)
Superbowl XLVII Flacco (1st) vs Kaepernick (1st)
Superbowl XLVI Eli Manning 1st vs Brady 6th
Superbowl XLV Aaron Rogers 1st vs Ben Roethlisberger 1st
Superbowl XLIV Brees (sorry i thought he was last pick in the 1st not 1st pick in the 2nd) vs Peyton Manning 1st
Superbowl XLIII Roethlisberger 1st vs Warner UDFA
Superbowl XLII Eli Manning 1st vs Brady 6th
Superbowl XLI Peyton Manning 1st vs Rex Grossman 1st
Superbowl XL Ben Reothlisberger 1st vs Matt Hasselbeck 6th
Superbowl Donovan McNabb 1st vs Tom Brady 6th
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Just how many of these do you see where there wasnt a 1st round QB involved in the Superbowl? 1 Also if you look at it objectively, you see that the repeat offenders on the list, ie the guys who are winding up in the superbowl the most, outside the freakzoid deflatgate long inappropriate mouth kisser of young boys they are the 1st round QB’s. I mean if you were on to something with your list then no one would bother taking a QB first, there wouldnt be year after year after year of 1st round QB’s being selected. Im sorry man, there is no justification to your argument. Im not saying you cant get a good QB in later rounds, but the great ones generally come from the first.
So I see we’re back to discussing Tannehill through the frames of both Tanne-lovers and Tanne-haters. The more things change, the more things stay the same! LOL
It’s not about love or hate with Tannehill, those are your labels. It’s about the situation of the team and how it’s being being constructed. If the team is committed to Tannehill for 2018 at the least, do you think trading multiple high draft picks for one of these QBs makes sense? I do not.
I’m not discussing Tannehill. I discussing wasting draft equity to move up for low percentage gambles. The whole draft is a gamble. Maximize your odds is my argument. Don’t throw away picks for someone who MOST LIKELY will not make “THE” difference. as my list of the last 10 years of first round QB’s shows. Only one has a ring and he is not universally considered Elite. One could argue that NONE of the first round QB’s listed are Elite.
sorry last 11 years minus last year….
Tim and Rockphin,
To address you BOTH above… NO, I can’t see trading up for a QB this year. We’ve too many other holes to fill via the Draft (building).
What’s more, IF Gase is the ‘QB whisperer’ that we’ve all been told, we’ll have major success drafting a mid-round QB.
Do NOT sleep on Logan Woodside.
Except for TE, I don’t think we have many holes. We just want more talent to create more competition and depth that results in a better team.
We can line up and play right now and be competitive IMO. But with a draft still in our future, we can be even better. Giving up high draft compensation for a guy who won’t be starting seems dumb.
If we were not all in with Tannehill, it would be another story. But if that was the case and you were unsure if you could land this new promising QB but you’re going to try, you don’t trade for Quinn, bring back Hayes and add Frank Gore. You move on from more vet salaries, go young and go total rebuild. But we’re not doing that. The approach the FO has taken does not match trading up for a QB.
Give me our TE either in the late-1st or early-2nd. That’s not too difficult to do… especially if we trade around like MTP* does.
Tim Knight says:
March 28, 2018 at 3:09 pm
It’s not about love or hate with Tannehill, those are your labels…
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“Label” is such a strong word for it, as it implies one thing or the other. I think you’ve got me 100% WRONG, being I’m in the middle of a HARD RIGHT or HARD LEFT.
I’m in the middle as it concerns Tannehill, as I witness MUCH fiction from both sides of the so-called ‘aisle’… and I think YOU see it too. As such, I’m not ‘labeling’… I’m just calling it as I see it, Bro.
My opinion that Tannehill is not the shit QB some others think he is does not mean I love him or think he’s great. I think he’s better than a lot of people give him credit for. There is much more hate for the guy than love. Most of us here who support Tannehill aren’t extreme about him. The ones who dislike him are. That’s what I see. But it doesn’t matter anyway, all that matters is what the team thinks of him.
But I will repeat myself. If Gase decides he wants to take one of the QB’s available at #11. I will not freak out like my Avatar. I’m not afraid of getting competition for Tannehill I just believe in taking BPA and drafting as many players as possible rather than signing them through FA.
I believe we MUST take a QB this year in the draft. I just don’t feel the desperation of some of the haters on here to get rid of a good player that they hate for irrational reasons.
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So you freak out if he feels so confident in a guy that he trades up….do you really trust his decisions then?
Look at the QB’s who were in the playoffs last year, and then explain to me how taking a QB in RD 1 is stupid, even if you have to trade up. It’s NOT stupid to trade up, but as with any other pick, you might be wrong in your assessment of that player, and how fast they will be ready to play, and how quickly they can change your teams fortunes. Great QB play can do that, but everything else has to work too in order get great QB play.
None of the assertions being made hold water, look at my list below and you see a 1st round QB has led a team to the superbowl every year except one. I looked at the list going even further back and it doesnt change and most the time its a 1st round QB vs a 1st round QB.
Yeah man, it’s silly talk. The odds of finding a great QB in the rounds other than the first RD significantly drop each round. Sure, some gems can be found, but those gems can be found at any position, so what’s the big deal with trading up?
Superbowl LII Brady & Wentz (1st round) because i cannot see how you can say they get here without the way he was playing before he got hurt.
Superbowl LI Matt Ryan (1st round) vs Brady 6th
Superbowl L Peyton Manning (1st) vs Cam Newton (1st)
Superbowl XLIX Brady 6th vs Wilson 3rd — neither 1sts
Superbowl XLVIII Wilson 3rd vs Manning (1st)
Superbowl XLVII Flacco (1st) vs Kaepernick (1st)
Superbowl XLVI Eli Manning 1st vs Brady 6th
Superbowl XLV Aaron Rogers 1st vs Ben Roethlisberger 1st
Superbowl XLIV Brees (sorry i thought he was last pick in the 1st not 1st pick in the 2nd) vs Peyton Manning 1st
Superbowl XLIII Roethlisberger 1st vs Warner UDFA
Superbowl XLII Eli Manning 1st vs Brady 6th
Superbowl XLI Peyton Manning 1st vs Rex Grossman 1st
Superbowl XL Ben Reothlisberger 1st vs Matt Hasselbeck 6th
Superbowl Donovan McNabb 1st vs Tom Brady 6th
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Just how many of these do you see where there wasnt a 1st round QB involved in the Superbowl? 1 Also if you look at it objectively, you see that the repeat offenders on the list, ie the guys who are winding up in the superbowl the most, outside the freakzoid deflatgate long inappropriate mouth kisser of young boys they are the 1st round QB’s. I mean if you were on to something with your list then no one would bother taking a QB first, there wouldnt be year after year after year of 1st round QB’s being selected. Im sorry man, there is no justification to your argument. Im not saying you cant get a good QB in later rounds, but the great ones generally come from the first.
Kaep was a 2nd RD pick, but your point is definitely made.
How many of those QBs were traded up for?
Tim – Whether they were traded up for or not is immaterial, the more important question was how many were taken in the top 10, and that will answer your question right there. If you want one, you might have to go up and get him.
9 of them weren’t drafted top 10.
Pardon me for laughing at the people who are saying we have to draft a QB, and we should take one at #11, but we shouldn’t trade up. We fucking traded up picks for a DE, for a RB, for a DT, but we can’t trade up for a QB? Nonsense! I get that it’s mostly because YOU think that none of the QB’s are worth it, but the scouts and FO for our team may feel differently, and if they do, they have my blessing to go get that QB.
We need a TE or two
We need a WR
We need a RB
We need an OG
We need a DT
We need a FS
We need a QB
We need another LB
No we don’t. LOL
Thats part of the reason we cant miss with our picks lol
Do we really need a WR? I’d say you’d like one more than need one. We do need a RB, and we do need a DT, and we need an OG or OT to develop. I don’t see FS as a must have, I’d like to see a season of Jones and T.J. first before drafting a S early. We need a LB, and I think we need a QB too
On paper no we don’t need a WR
But if 2018 Parker is like 2015-2017 Parker
We might be saying to ourselves that we need a WR in 2019
Without Landry, there are question marks as to the production the unit can bring
I don’t see a need for WR?
If I had to make a priority list it would be
TE
LB
RB
DT
FS, QB, OG, CB
Mine is similar
But at the top of mine is chocolate cake
Mike, not all of us said don’t draft a QB in the 1st rd. Trading up to where we likely have to get to land one of the 4 is going to be expensive for us. The Jets traded three 2nd rd picks to move from 6 to 3. What do you think 11 to say 5 or 6 will be? Get ready to not see a 2nd this year, and a 1st and 2nd at the least next year for a guy who will not start the season as a starter. If you’re cool with that, okay. And what if Tannehill has a great season? Do we sit that QB for a 2nd season without a 1st and 2nd to get even better? Or do we trade Tannehill and go with unproven the following season? That’s where I’m coming from.
No doubt you make a sacrifice to move up, but the important thing is getting the QB. You ask what happens if Tannehill does great? That’s a fantastic problem to have, and like the Chiefs with Alex Smith, we can cash right back in by trading Tannehill if they believe the guy we moved up for is the real deal, because Tannehill will be 31 next season, and if you believe in the young guy, and Tannehill had a great season, you can get back some of the picks you just gave up. That’s what you do. He would be an easy guy to trade with his current salary, we could probably get a nice haul.
D, the reason is because I don’t see any QB’s worth trading up for. To me, none of the top 3 QB’s after Allen impress me much more than the ones who will be there in the 3rd and 4th round. Allen will probably be the first one gone so that is why I will be pissed if we traded up for one of the others. In this situation, I think the best move is to stay put and take who falls to you. If one of the top 4 QB’s falls to 11 and they take then so be it. I can live with that. We are not a team without a QB like the others who have been trading up to get one. I dont see the reason to trade up for one. I think if you checked every single one of my mocks, I have drafted a QB anywhere from round 2 to round 6 so I do see the need to get one but not in a trade up.
Rock you’re all right in my book but i don’t think you grasp the situation,
if you want to look at stats don’t cherry pick, look at the stats, Ajayi gained 1270 yards rushing and we went to the playoffs, those are the stats. that doesn’t tell the whole story though as to why we had success.
Ajayi may have regressed a little in other games but he was still getting the carries, this meant that teams had to step up and stop him.
Drake is not that kind of back, sure Drake will break a few but he’s not consistent enough to move the sticks on a regular basis due to the type of RB he is, he’s upright, he out hustles and out runs people he doesn’t run them over. when he gets stuffed we get in predictable situations.
there’s one stat that Ajayi soared over Drake and that is he lead us to the playoffs, He makes Tannehill look great because we are more balanced of an offense with a rb like Ajayi vs Drake,
loading the box gives tanny more room to work.
why do you think they signed a RB like Gore? Gore is/was a freak’n stud, way better than Ajayi i just hope his age isn’t a factor.
Tannehill has his issues, he has been inaccurate deep, he stands back there like a statue and has no pocket presence whatsoever, I’m not making this shit up, it is well known,
Tanny is at his best when he rolls right.
I hope Gase can help Tanny with some of his issues, he seemed to play well in 16 thanks to Ajayi’s success.
JMO
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Rockphin says:
March 28, 2018 at 11:35 am
You are wrong on many levels in this post Rob.
First, you are reverting back to Henne days. Tannehill doesn’t drop back like a statue, his is actually (statistically) better on the move.
Drake IS that kind of back as he showed after he took over last year. You are so far off base about Defenses having to game plan for Ajayi. That is a fantasy in your head. It never happened. He had THREE great games. Two against buffalo. The rest of the year he was mediocre. He reverted to mediocre the beginning of this year.
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pheloniusphish says:
March 28, 2018 at 12:51 pm
Ba-Da-Boom
I don’t follow the logic of what we don’t need and why we don’t need it. Philly traded for Bradford and, granted, they did it when Kelly was there but they had their starting qb and they traded up to draft a quarterback.
So, to me, it doesn’t matter if it appears that you don’t need players at a certain position on paper. If there’s a player there that is that good and you want to take him you take him. I don’t care that we look like we’re good at wr on paper. Parker hasn’t panned out to this point. We’ve got Amendola as a one year rental. Wilson is good but he’s not great. Round it out with Stills, Grant and a few young guys who haven’t seen the field much or at all.
Do you take a wr at #11 if Smith or Edmunds is there? Well, if it’s Ridley it’s debatable. Are those other two the BPA compared to Ridley? Maybe. Maybe not. The team would have a tough choice in my opinion because you’ve got to score points on offense and both of those guys could be elite players at LB.
So, I don’t think pure #’s mean anything when it comes to taking a player. We have a bigger need at TE but would you pass on Smith or Edmunds for Gesicki or Andrews? I think not.
For those who are saying we don’t need a WR, take a look at our corps and tell me who you 100% trust to be consistently contributing throughout the season. I count one. How many have the probability to be here next year? I have no clue.
And we traded the ONE guy who we could consistently rely upon, for better or for worse.
He wasn’t staying anyway though.
Don’t need a wr because “the surgeon” is back this year and he’s going to carve up some defenses.
There is no cherry picking of stats from that 7-1 run. There were multiple reasons why we won some of those games last season. KR for a td. Pick 6 to put it away. Two really great games rushing and another good running performance. However, Tannehill didn’t have anything to do with winning most of those games. Get real already.
You’re dead wrong on this one
You’re dead wrong
Cherry pick away.
You don’t mention his 130 and 124 rating against SF and AZ while Ajayi rushed for under 50yds in both those wins.
You bring up pick 6 to win the SD game? He had 2TDs, O INT and 130 rating in that one.
Ok. I get your point now.
Who gives a flying fig what Ajayi did in those games? I’m not talking about Ajayi. I’m talking about Tannehill. You and others seem to think he was the reason for that 7-1 stretch and you are wrong
Yeah, my point is Tannehill didn’t play any better in ’16 than he played in any other season leading up to ’16 but, for some reason, some people saw this halo light up over his head and he became some kind of frckin Avenger
Well you just accounted wins to Ajayi so yeah, I think you’re talking about Ajayi
whatever. again. Tannehill didn’t do anything in ’16 he didn’t do any other year. except throw less td’s than he did in any other year except his rookie season.
Tim – To answer your 9 of 10 weren’t top 10, it all depends on how the draft shapes up. This one appears to have a lot of QB needy teams, and really 4 prospects that have separated themselves from the rest. At least 3 of the teams in the top 5 are going to draft a QB, Browns, Jets (Maybe Giants), (Maybe Broncos), and then of course there’s the Bills and Cards, who may move up. Logic dictates that someone may move up to get the last of the 4, if 3 go top 5 by teams picking in the top 5. Just the way it works out.
The difference in value between 11th and 6th (which is what most believe secures us at least one of the top 4) shows to be 450, which is pick 55, or a 2nd round selection. So it could be as little as that, a swap of our firsts and giving them our second. I personally feel there is going to be some competition and there is going to be demand on our part as they know we likely are moving up to get a QB, so fleeced a little, sure. I cant see it being 2 firsts and 2 seconds though.
The chiefs last year traded from 27th all the way to 10th, a 620 value difference and they gave up a next years first and a that year’s 3rd. Thats kind of where i am in what i think we would have to give up and i consider that being voluntarily fleece just because they will have leverage to get that out of us. I dont see why everyone thinks we will have to give them our first born to get a 5 position move up.
I said earlier our 1st and 3rd this year, and our 1st next year, and maybe a 4th or 5th if we need to sweeten the pot a little.