WEDGE IS SPEAKING TO ANOTHER ALIEN AND PUTTING A HEADSET ON HIM
Come here little Gurker….Wedge is going to make you a genius. I know everyone says Gurkers are the dumbest aliens in the universe – but not you after I put this smart gear on you!
Oh hey there Dolfans. What? Oh this little Gurker…It’s not really a “make you smart” head gear. It’s more like a brain scrambler.
5 minutes from now, this Gurker won’t know what Galaxy he is in. This headgear scrambles everything.
I imagine that is the kind of confusion a versatile tight end can cause a defense to experience. Like Indiana’s Ian Thomas
THE POSITIVES: Ian Thomas has the frame and physical stature to play tight end at the NFL level. At 6’5, 250 pounds, this tight end is going to pose problems in the NFL in the red zone.
Thomas also has pretty good speed. His 4.74 40 yard dash was 5th among tight ends at the combine. Add that to his 3rd highest vertical jump and 2nd longest long jump and you get the picture. Thomas is a pretty good athlete.
Thomas can separate from defenders and fine soft spots in the defense quickly. Thomas also demonstrates extraordinary body control, good hands and has great strength. But there is something else about Thomas worth mentioning – he’s a little bit scrappy.
Thomas doesn’t shy away from contact and sometimes appears to look for it. He uses a stiff arm often and effectively against defenders.
THE NEGATIVES: Thomas is really raw. He’s a bit of a project. That might prove difficult for the Dolphins since as it stands right now they need a tight end to step in immediately.
His stats are not going to wow you. He basically played one year at Indiana, his senior year. Thomas actually transferred from community college in Maryland to Indiana after his sophomore year.
Before his senior year – Thomas had 3 catches. In his senior year Thomas caught 25 passes including 5 touchdowns. He was probably a littler underused.
THE ALIEN DUST: The difference between Thomas and some of the other day 1 and 2 tight ends is that Thomas really has a chance to develop into a pretty good blocker in addition to receiver. Thomas might be the most compete tight end prospect.
On a very superficial level, he reminds me of former Dolphin Dion Sims. But he is nowhere near the blocking Tight End Sims was coming out of Michigan State. That said, good coaching might help Thomas a really gifted football player.
Expect Thomas to be off the board before the 4th round is through. The raw talent is too much for NFL to pass on.
Ian Thomas reminds me of my favorite mind scrambler – scrambling the minds of defenses each week.
You can see his highlights here:
Finsmob Unleashed 
Right off the strip = No pants
North outside City limits = No Pants!
If you don’t wear pants north of the city, it may fall of from contamination.
Fall off
How bout them Pirates Stanger?
Badmitten?
Just put out below on the same and was going upstream, but guess didn’t have too. 🙂
I read that earlier, I didn’t realize the Niners approached us with Kilgore. I thought we looked that way after releasing, or before we released Pouncey.
with the chronic injury it was a good move,
I like it, but I’m not a Pouncey fan anyway. I think he’s been living off his former reputation of a great player for a few years now.
Parker is getting a pass because, and Gase said this himself, what has kept him from playing up to his ability has been staying healthy. You could tell Gase was a little frustrated by it, but he did say he felt like Parker was doing the best he could to stay healthy, so he didn’t fault him for lack of effort, at least for this past season. I know in the past he pinged him on his preparation, but seemed he fixed a lot of that last season.
I agree too when he was healthy he pulled off some circus catches, and once he got hurt it really tailed off and he put up very little effort towards the latter part of the season. Maybe this was because he couldn’t put forth full effort because of the injury but there were several times he just didn’t fight through the defender to make the catches.
I dont think you can call him a bust no matter what he does this year. I think you can call him a disappointment, but the number of yards, etc he has given us from what essentially has been the number 2 WR spot has been more than what you would have for a “bust”. Maybe this year we finally get to see him become the WR 1 we thought he would be, and i think his health is going to be the key to it, because the talent is there.
I don’t think anyone here was questioning his ability, unless it was his ability to stay healthy. He’s not an out and out bust, because even if he has a year like he did last season, someone will take a chance on him, and if he ever can stay healthy, he’ll have a nice season.
We wouldnt have gotten much in compensation for Landry if we had just let him walk in FA because of the acquisitions we got at WR in return. The 4th we got was better because 1) we got it this year and 2) it likely would have been a 5th if we got it in compensation.
Now the 4th, especially it being a late 4th being the best we could leverage? I think we fucked ourselves because of the timing of the trade. We were over the cap with Jarvis on FT and having just announced a trade for Quinn. Cleveland had the leverage because we had to get rid of Jarvis’ contract before the league year opened. They lowballed us and we had to bite. If we had cleared out some contract prior to doing that, to where Jarvis could have been squeezed in, we would have had a little more ability to asked for more.
Do i think we got less than we should have, sure, do i think we could have gotten more out of them given how it all went down. Nope.
The timeline of Pouncey’s release and the Kilgore trade makes more sense from Armando’s article. How we got it real-time, it was all of a sudden Pouncey is asking for his release. Then we hear he’s been released. Then boom we trade for Kilgore all within like an hour. It was crazy. Now we know how it went down and why.
The GRIND NEVER STOPS!!! Working Hand Eye Coronation with
-Jakeem Grant
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Is this a new drill where you crown your hands and eyes?
LMAO! I didn’t even read that, just thought the video was cool
I crown thee Sir Oculus Sinister, and thee Sir Oculus Dexter….
https://twitter.com/PhinsComNews/status/981228808752812033
Those are all good selections, proving we should be happy with our pick whatever it is. I will say i would be most disappointed with the Vea pick, but i also wouldn’t be upset about it because it seems to be a very good player at a position we will want to add to.
I should rephrase, id be most disappointed with Vea being picked if we had our choice of the others in that list and him.
Yah, I don’t see them taking a DT in the first. Maybe later in the draft. Especially after hitting on two last year late.
Here’s an example of a low completion rate!
https://twitter.com/DustinFox37/status/981230376889790466
yeah, that’s why. doesn’t have anything to do with the fact that he’s missed wipe opens receivers or anything.
https://twitter.com/DustinFox37/status/981228247630450689
https://twitter.com/MDCheer/status/981244949617397766
Quiz of the day…..what two teams have the best records in baseball? Gotta grab the glory while you can. 🙂
I cheated!
You still want the answer?
Think most folks on the board know what one of the answers was……might not make our Mets fans happy to point out the other one….lol.
Parker is a bust. It’s as simple as that. Stick a fork in him. He’s done. If he has another year that’s like any of the last 3 it isn’t going to be enough to keep him around; injuries or not.
If Parker was drafted in say the mid-2nd, would you be calling him a bust? Least see value and potential. Break out year and could be worth the 5th year option.
If that breakout year were to happen but when you have a three year period like he just had the odds are very much against it. The injuries are just an excuse. He doesn’t have what it takes to play professional football.
Josh Allen had two really nice completions to Iowa defenders.
Unbelievable, after taking two bullets to the head, Stedman Bailey is going to attempt a comeback:
https://twitter.com/adamsmoot/status/981245717762203648
Wow!!! I wish this kid all the best.
Kilgore is better at run blocking than pass pro, but then there is darn PFF. With Jimmy Garoppolo in the final five games, Kilgore did not allow a sack or quarterback hit and his grade was among the NFL’s top 10 centers for that span of games.
I think Kilgore is going to be a very pleasant surprise for us.
He’s a solid starting center. The 49ers talk very highly of him and signed him to an extension. I think when they signed Richburg they just saw it as an opportunity to get younger and grow with their young team. They were also classy about where Kilgore ended up. Win/win for both teams and player. That’s why the trade compensation was basically just a technicality with a swap of 7th rd picks.
That’s why PFF grades are all over the place to me because circumstances are not the same from play to play and game to game across the board. A lot of times a player’s performance is reliant on others doing their job, and who they’re going up against. Too many apples and oranges.
I’m okay with their factual stats because those are not based on opinions, but what actually happened. You can’t debate that a guy had 10 sacks because he did. But grading whether a guy gave up a completion is debatable because you don’t know if there was communication breakdown and it wasn’t that’s guy’s responsibility but he had to freelance and try to cover up for it. Or one O-lineman didn’t block the right guy and left the other guy hung out to dry.
wyoming85 says:
April 3, 2018 at 2:03 pm
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Where’s the corner from Ohio State???
he should be at the top of this list.
That would be Denzel Ward, my friend. Yes… he should be in the conversation.
But for whatever it’s worth, I’ve got Iowa’s Josh Jackson graded ahead of even Ward.
While I absolutely do NOT like that we have 3 projected starters on our interior O-Line, ALL on the wrong side of 30 and not drafted by us… I DO think our O-Line is going to be pretty good this season.
Still, I hope we’re smart enough to draft an O-Lineman this year, before the 5th round like last year.
well, the fact that we’re not talking Bushrod here is a plus.
When you look at it, Pouncey will be 29 in July, is it that big of a deal that Kilgore will be 31 at the end of the season in December, or that a 4 time pro bowl guard in Sitton will be 32 in June? Larsen will be 31 in June but the plan is for 2nd year Jesse Davis to win the RG spot and have Larsen as the top backup C/G. OL guys play well into their 30s so none of this bothers me.
The Giants just made Nate Solder the highest paid OL in the league at 30 years old in a little over a week. I think people overreact to a guy’s age beginning with a 3. There are lots of good players in the NFL playing in their 30’s. In fact a lot of times players are not at their best when they’re younger. You see that too. Hey look at our young OL, they’re all 25 but none of them know what they’re doing and they get hurt too.
I’d say once guys get on the other side of 35 is when you have to hold your breath. But what are their roles? Like Wake, we want to lessen his snap count and get his max performance on passing downs. Gore has shown he can still be productive but he’s also here in a mentor/rotation role so that can work.
Way I figure it with the health risk involved….Pouncey was an aging vet. Nothing against him personality, but you get the idea.
I was going to mention that about Pouncey, Stanger. Not only did the team have to be cautious with him, he even struggled to keep weight on finishing the season at 293.
Ritchie Incognito
Jets with two TE’s in two days hopefully takes them out of the TE market in the draft:
Well they have no 2nd rd pick so it really shouldn’t effect us if that’s the round we’re targeting a TE.
Anyone get to see the game winning shorthanded goal by Golden Knights William Karlsson on Saturday night? If you didnt its worth a look, thru his legs and out the left side. The game clinched the division, and was the only game I’ve gone to.
Volleyball?
“While I absolutely do NOT like that we have 3 projected starters on our interior O-Line, ALL on the wrong side of 30….”
M13 — hard to complain that Sitton is one of those, and plus think the big uglies there are fine till mid-30s so long as they still have the desire. Also guessing that our other G will be under 30….whether that be Davis or someone we draft…..heck could be Asiata too.
I just don’t want to see a 1-2 year ‘duct tape’ solution at a positional unit that has haunted us for YEARS.
But as I stated, I DO think that our O-Line (at least on paper) looks NICE this year!
We bought ourselves some time to find and develop young OL in the future. The vets are all on short deals and our starting tackles are young. We don’t have to reach for OL this draft. That was the team’s plan, to not have too many glaring holes heading into the draft.
I hear that, Tim. As such, we should start grooming young bucks to take the place of the ‘long in the tooth’, sooner than later… meaning, let’s draft somebody before the 5th round this year.
I don’t really care where we draft them, just that they’re good. 🙂
There are so many OL starting and playing well in the league who were mid, late and UDFAs. Just like with all prospects, you have to find the right players.
Who knows Asiata might be a totally different guy this year and push to start. He was drafted for upside and to develop. So was Godchaux and Taylor on the DL but Godchaux impressed right away and played a lot, Taylor also impressed but just at a lesser rate.
As we’ve seen before, players drafted high don’t always pan out. Gotta pick the right guys.
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I think you’ve got a VERY good eye when it comes to under-rated prospect. Conklin certainly wouldn’t be my first choice at the TE position, but he’d make an excellent fall-back option.
I just wish he ran faster than a mere 4.80.
https://twitter.com/PhinsComNews/status/981274786969063425
Good for him, I always liked him.
Money aside….one of our new guards is right out of central casting.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTggcEdwjDeaL_8b3Fxteizct_bKByQDdujkXx7Lv2dCfM8RvhJ
I don’t understand how guys are being traded for peanuts and the Patriots still St a 1st for cooks
As long as there is a partner willing to make the offer than that’s how they do it. The Saints traded Cooks to the Pats for a 1st and 3rd and gave the Pats a 4th.
What’s the deal with Cooks though?
WTF No OL, No WR???
Are they hitting the reset button??????????
I think theybhve 2 1sts and 2 2nds now though
Hello Amari Cooper and Hayden Hurst
Sorry, Calvin Ridley
They gotta be swapping 1st as well.
Looks like they are getting a first, giving up a 4th and gaining a 6th
For Cooks….amazing. Belichek is either a witch doctor or he has pictures of Les Snead and a donkey.
He gave up a 1st for Cooks last year but it was pick 32, he breaks him in the playoff game and then sells him pick 23 this year….its definitely some sort of pact with Satan he has having control over the minds of any he chooses to deal with.
Piggy – You should try Bazaare Meat when you’re in Vegas. https://slslasvegas.com/restaurants-bars/bazaar-meat-by-jose-andres/
Awesome food
Might i suggest the Super-Giant Pork-Skin Chicharrón as an appetizer followed by anything from the cured meats list for your entree….
Piggy they also serve geoduck…..and if you have never seen a geoduck just take a look at the size of this one….
Tim Knight says:
April 3, 2018 at 6:22 pm
As long as there is a partner willing to make the offer than that’s how they do it. The Saints traded Cooks to the Pats for a 1st and 3rd and gave the Pats a 4th.
What’s the deal with Cooks though?
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He got hit so hard he didnt know his name and never returned to the game in the Superbowl, other than that i dont know i have heard anything with regards to a fallout or whatnot.
This guy looks misty eyed pondering this geoduck, maybe reminds him of the first time he ever handled one so large.
Cheats with 2 firsts trying to trade uo for a QB?
Im glad Cooks is gone, he was uncoverable.
Are the Pats gearing up to make a run at Beckham?
I think they are positioning themselves for a Geoduck….even if only one to be named later after a trade up.
I hope not. He doesn’t fit their MO though. They don’t pay a WR $20M a year and give up 2 firsts for him too, but with Brady coming to an end who knows. I expect only 1 more year of Belicheat, so why would he care, if he mortgaged the future?
Cooks gone.
Amendola gone.
Edelman back off of season ending knee surgery.
Gronk at a crossroads about how long to keep playing.
They’re not exactly set with their receiving corps. Hogan is good, but Britt, Dorsett and Allen?
I wouldn’t put it past them to go for Beckham the same way they did with Cooks last year.
The Pats get a 1st for Cooks and we get a 4th for Landry. SMH
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Different scenarios, Landry was a franchised FA and Cooks under contract. The market for Cooks is obviously higher than Landry’s. Cooks has been traded for a 1st and a mid round pick with an additional pick going to the team getting the player two years in a row.
There were no better offers for Landry. I don’t think you guys are realizing his value is still in question and not that high. If there was a better deal available for him it would have happened. Cooks is a more explosive player and so is Beckham. Landry is not in that class.
Time to move on. Could have let him become a UFA and get nothing.
Ken, your Josh Allen going #1 is picking up steam.
He has the most upside of any QB in draft.
Watching more video of these guys I have my comparisons.
Josh Allen – a much more mobile Joe Flacco
Josh Rosen – Eli Manning
Sam Darnold – Matthew Stafford
Baker Mayfield – Case Keenum
Not that their careers or results will be the same, but how they play.
mf13ss says:
April 3, 2018 at 5:06 pm
I think you’ve got a VERY good eye when it comes to under-rated prospect. Conklin certainly wouldn’t be my first choice at the TE position, but he’d make an excellent fall-back option.
I just wish he ran faster than a mere 4.80.
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But for the 40 time he’s actually pretty close to Kelce in everything else; even besting him in some numbers. Kelce ran a 4.61. Not a huge difference. Especially when you consider the ten yd splits and 20 yd times. They’re actually even closer and seeing as though most of the time a TE isn’t going to be running 9 routes they’re the ones I’d worry about.
TEs are not usually quick off the LOS but savvy in their release to get open, then their big frame gets moving and it’s hard to stop that catch. The good ones have a huge catch radius.
which Conklin does. you can see what he does with balls that are purposely thrown behind him in the video. he’s another former basketball player that uses his basketball skills to help him playing the position.
Yeah the basketball thing is real. Power Forward stuff.
My war against nature continues. Yesterday I cut down a tree a woodpecker has been destroying beside my house and I just killed my second copperhead in a month.
I’m still wondering why this TE class isn’t rated higher in the draft. There are quite a few mismtach receiving TEs which every team is looking for, yet they’re more late 1st and 2nd. But the defenders who are projected to cover them are ranked very high. Wouldn’t that say if you don’t have one of those TEs you need one?
Are some of those OL I’ve seen between 12-20 definitely more impactful than the next Kelce who goes in the 3rd round? I would have no problem if we took the TE we loved at #11 and said we don’t care what you think. They change your offense. It’s a lot easier to defend an offense when you don’t have to worry about their TE.
There aren’t many well rounded prospects, either they just catch, or they just block, but most of them just don’t do both well. Gesicki is probably the most athletic receiver who doesn’t block, and Hurst is supposedly closest to both, but he’s already 25.
Does 25 worry you? He’ll be 25 in August. Athletes are taking it to another level with age. Let’s look at it this way. He’ll play in his 25-29 for his first 5 seasons. Do you care about him him being 30 in 2023? LOL
Personally, I think Conklin is probably the most well rounded of them all. He is a good blocker and a good receiver as well. And he’s a tough mofo. I don’t see a huge difference between him and the others being talked about.
No offense Lou, but I knew you were going to say that, I just did.
nothing wrong with having conviction
This is nothing like paying your taxes right before you go to Vegas
The look of desperation in my eye makes me a target in casinos
Enjoy Vegas! Sinner… LOL
professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
April 3, 2018 at 7:45 pm
…you can see what he does with balls that are purposely thrown behind him in the video…
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another reason why I like him so much in our O.
pheloniusphish says:
April 3, 2018 at 6:17 pm (Edit)
Piggy – You should try Bazaare Meat when you’re in Vegas. https://slslasvegas.com/restaurants-bars/bazaar-meat-by-jose-andres/
Awesome food
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That’s funny
My friends (there are 3 of us) are each picking a rest and that was my pick!
That is funny. If they still have them, try the Foie Gras lollipops.
Tim – I’m terrified of 25!!!
I think it’s just because he’s 25, but he’s still at that rookie level, so why take a 25YO unless he’s head and shoulders better than a 21 or 22 YO?
He still has a lot to learn, as much as any of the others
Wow!!! I think the age thing is overrated. You want guys who can play.
No doubt some teams will shy away from him due to his age; others may see it as a plus due to maturity possibly.
In any case, he’s 25 in August which makes him 29 at the start of his next contract and there’s nothing wrong with that. Most players, whether 21 or not, only sign for a 2nd contract at most and a TE can play into his early 30’s and be effective.
https://twitter.com/NFL_Memes/status/981292705992134657
They are looking for negatives on this guy. I bet he ends up being a guy everyone wanted. Get him Miami!!! 🙂
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/hayden-hurst?id=32462018-0002-5600-72f9-7623b6673aa8
He looks like the real deal to me
But he is a little older
I bet if he was 22 he would be the guy that would be the #1 TE in most boards
Tim:
Josh Allen reminds me of a young Elway. Similar size, mobility and arm strength
Enough with the geoduck photos weirdos!!!
WTF IS A geoduck??
That’s a weird looking Duck!!
mf13ss says:
April 3, 2018 at 4:35 pm
But for whatever it’s worth, I’ve got Iowa’s Josh Jackson graded ahead of even Ward.
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He’s not fast enough, doesn’t play press coverage.
Ping Pong?
Miniature Golf!
Watch out Vagas!
No wonder why Piggy doesn’t wear pants
Pats trade … what is the evil empire up to? the #23 actually puts them in a good spot to get a good OL and also a spot where a lot of mocks put Ridley.
for Fins, the only scenario that would infuriate me is a trade-up. In fact the only two players mocked in the top ten that makes me wish we WERE picking higher are Barkley and Nelson (these are the only two who I see as locks as future All Pros). Barkley is simply one of the best ‘football players’ (or among top five) in the last decade.
IF, one of the top 2 LBers is not available, I’m ok trading back and getting an extra 2nd round pick…
there is A LOT of talent between #20 and #45 that also fill position of need for us.
I actually think Giants take Barkley at #2 and look to replace Eli next year. Barkley will help take pressure off Eli for sure.
I think that is the most likely scenario as well especially since Beckham will be back. Couple that with the addition of Solder the Giants offense will be a force
A lot of Giants fans agree, but I am still thinking cashing in is just as likely. And they could be collecting the #2 ransom bag from the Bills.
I they could take Chubb.
Not out of the realm of possibility but my money is on Barkley. I think there is a chance they could have a special offense this season if they take him
The reason I say Chubb is there are other good RBs in the draft, but not a lot of pass rushers like Chubb.
https://twitter.com/PhinsComNews/status/981544646760370176
The Bills signed Terrence Fede.
I always liked him. Not like we saw a lot of him on the field or in the press, but whatever you did looked good. Had the feeling he was one of the good guys.
Sounds like Quinn is happy to again be a 4-3 DE — “I don’t know if you’ve ever watched the Olympics, but I’ve never seen one of the sprinters run from a two-point stance.”
We’ll see how he does on the field, but gotta like Wilson’s heart.
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Albert Wilson – the Kansas City Chiefs wide receiver who recently signed with the Miami Dolphins – will be back home this spring with his third annual Albert Wilson Youth Skills Camp at Port St. Lucie. All children in the community, ages 6-17, are invited to attend the free camp.
As in the previous two years, Wilson reserves a special spot in his heart – and on the field – for children in foster care. “He grew up here, he was in foster care here, so he was going to make sure any kid in foster care who wanted to play ball with him had that opportunity,” said Jamaal May, executive director for the Albert Wilson Foundation.
This goes without saying, but I really hope that a light bulb went off for Gase this offseason, and all the changes he’s making are for the good and success of this franchise. Although, I think a lot of things they are talking about this offseason could have already been done. I’m still weary of his game planning, his play calling and use of personnel, but we’ll see how this season goes.
The draft should be interesting in seeing how they feel this team can be helped with who we get. Hopefully the guys on our roster who haven’t contributed that much, for whatever reason, can step up and contribute. I’m really ready to see how Raekwon McMillan will do this year. Will our young corners Howard and Tank rise to another level?
A revamped WR corps, O-line, and Tannehill returning after a year and a half all leave question marks for an offense that has been questionable for the past 2 years. I don’t think we should still have so many question marks 3 years into a coach’s reign, but here we are and it’s what we have to deal with.
What we have to deal with it is exactly where we are at. My basic read is that Gase is going to do it his way now. Exactly why the change not sure of, but possible reasons include exasperation and perspiration. Pretty sure both that he is making it his team now and at least got a two-year window from Ross to show progress on that front.
Lou – While Tyler Conklin’s 40 time is only 2 ticks off of Kelce’s time, it’s only a tick and half better than Daron Payne’s time, so . . .
Tim Knight says:
April 4, 2018 at 11:46 am (Edit)
The reason I say Chubb is there are other good RBs in the draft, but not a lot of pass rushers like Chubb.
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There are no other RBs in this draft either. In fact I think he is the best player in the draft
Like Barkley ^
I agree Barkley might be the best player in the draft. I was just saying the RB class is deeper than the edge rusher class. They traded JPP so there is a void at DE. Either guy would be a great pick.
Barkley is overrated honestly. He is a superb RB and talent but it would be silly to take him before 4 and only take him if you can’t trade down. RBs are much more valuable in college than in the NFL and he wasn’t the difference between a championship or not. I like him a lot and think he will instantly make a team better…but QBs are what makes championship squads. That or a subliminally good defense. I’d rather take a chance on one player than building for an elite 11 man unit.
Absolutely spot on.
I actually agree with Mondo on this one!
Except Joey Porter had 17.5 sacks in his 2nd season with us and 9.0 in his 3rd season so that was a bad example. He only had 5.5 in his first with us because we were playing a 4-3.
IMO you guys miss the point about drafting a guy and where, you dont draft him because you think thats the exact spot he should be taken at, you have a lot of other factors involved. You certainly have them slated for certain zones, but you could have a bad medical report which might mean he cant be an immediate starter for you and you need an immediate starter, so no matter his talent evaluation, you cant take him there, you just cant afford to. He also might be a guy you absolutley need and so you have to take him at 1 because someone will take him at 2.
My evaluation of who the Browns take isnt based upon their need to draft a top QB, nor is it because Barkley is the top prospect period. My evaluation of him taken first instead of a QB is that he wont get past 2. The QB prospects very certainly could get past 2, as i dont feel that the Giants would pass on taking Chubb to take a QB. There will be a QB taken at 3 for sure, so at 4 they still have one of the top two choices. Pair that with a RB like Barkley an your Offense is much more portent right off. Hell most likely Tyrod is going to be their starting QB at least for the first part of the season as all these QB’s need to ease into things, so why not take the defining RB of this class and then one of 4 QB that are on pretty equal footing.
Again, im not sure the Browns make that move, but strategically, its the smarter move to secure Barkley first.
Except the jets pick at 3 and they need to be blocked from getting anything but the 3rd best QB😉
Is there a mock out there that doesn’t have the Raiders taking Roquan Smith?
Well one of their top needs is LB and he’s the best on ine the draft. I see them taking he or Edmunds very consistently.
I agree with Mando about Landry, its the way they traded Landry that to me kind of miffs me and less than them getting rid of him. As a fan i definately hate seeing him go, but i can put that aside. The way they went about the trade handcuffed us on what we got in return. As Mando said had we traded him prior to this, or as i said before, if they had made sure it looked like we made room to keep him if we didnt get a good offer, we certainly walk away with a better trade. So i think we didnt play that one very well is all.
We tried to trade him last year but the market was thin and the compensation wasn’t there. You need a trade partner to get this presumed value Armando throws out there. If there were better offers it would have happened. There weren’t. Not sure why that can’t be accepted?
The Rams were in the market for a WR last year and this year and didn’t target Landry. He’s not what they were looking for. They wanted a guy who can take the top off a defense and they tried to trade for Cooks last year but the Pats got him. Now they got him this year.
Cooks basically replaced Sammy Watkins
We had offers for Landry before, though we dont really know what those offers were.
Watkins was their 2nd choice after they didn’t get Cooks last year.
D, if we balked at the offers for Landry my guess is it wasn’t good enough. Every team knew at some point they’d have to pay him so they weren’t going to offer a lot and then have to pay him big money. That was the problem with trading Landry. He’s not viewed as an explosive player yet he wants to paid as one.
Mando’s logic is faulty at best, teams aren’t giving up a 1st and $16M a year to get a slot receiver. Cooks has a year left on his contract and is a different animal, only comparison is wr.
I basically just said the same thing.
Im not saying we could have done better, but i am saying trading a guy when your team is well over the cap and times winding down on a deadline in which you have to be below the cap doesnt leverage you the best deal. It was not played out well.
No one is debating that, but there we were with no one giving us what we wanted and time running out.
I can see both points of view with the Browns and Barkley. If they have conviction about who their favorite QB is, and there’s no question they have a QB rated higher than the other QB’s, then I think they need to take that QB at #1. If they have the QB’s rated very similarly, and feel as comfortable drafting any of them, then it could make sense to draft Barkley at #1. My guess though, is the Browns will have a QB they prefer and will therefore draft that QB at #1, and if Barkley happens to be there at #4, which is still entirely possible, especially if the Giants either take a QB or Chubb. That’s a WIN-WIN
Agree, and I also don’t think they need Barkley, they may rather have Chubb, I would. They can go RB in the 2nd and get a great one. I think Barkley is overrated, he’s not E. Elliott. He’s good, but not #2 overall.
Tim – I was joking about terrified of 25, but I got busy at work and couldn’t get back on. I like Hurst, I wouldn’t be upset if we drafted him, but I can see preferring a younger player too. I like Gesicki, because I can see him tearing off big catch and runs for us, which is what we have been missing for so long.
I was wondering about that. LOL
If you think about the 25 year old thing, he also hasnt had the wear and tear that a person who is 25 and has been in the NFL for 4 years or so would have. So that 25might as well be 22 I dont think its that big of a deal. Weeden at 29 seemed a bit late to me but he still got selected in the first round.
My take on the offseason moves, Suh had to go, it just didn’t work out. You don’t bring him in to put crap around him, where he gets taken out of the game by double teams. I wont miss his offside and freelancing.
steveccnv says:
April 4, 2018 at 2:38 pm
Except the jets pick at 3 and they need to be blocked from getting anything but the 3rd best QB😉
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I dont think any of the QB’s this year will be killing any body in year 1, or at least not until later in the year if they take to the system quickly. Allen has the best chance to hit the ground running just because his system is more like what he is going to see in the pro’s but he didnt have that many starts there so i dont think it gives him a big head start. Players like Mayfield have leadership experience, and have been starters most of their careers and there are some systems he will integrate into faster (ours being one).Rosen and Arnold have a mix of both the starting expeirence and more pro like systems but they will also have their own learning curves.
I guess what im getting at is yeah i dont want the Jets or the Bills to get a franchise QB whether it be a future or now guy, but all of the 4 have just as much potential to be that guy, and all have just the same potential to fall short, so outside of them getting the 5th or 6th best QB we are in the same boat.
Test test test
Pass fail pass
run fail pass
steveccnv says:
April 4, 2018 at 2:45 pm
Mando’s logic is faulty at best, teams aren’t giving up a 1st and $16M a year to get a slot receiver. Cooks has a year left on his contract and is a different animal, only comparison is wr.
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I dont think we would have gotten a first t either point we traded him. Mando did say though that trading him at a different point it wouldn’t have been a trade for a 16mil slot receiver, it would have been a trade for a 893K slot receiver and that would have netted better offers, which i cant see that logic being deniable.
It’s not, but again they didn’t get what they wanted last year. Landry was a joke in the Probowl going 100 mph while everyone else was taking it easy, and not accomplishing much. Good riddance, and his marching around the field after catching a 6 yarder…
Landry had to go too. My biggest problem with him is all those catches behind the LOS that got us very little. I don’t see us being a productive offense with him. I think Amendola and Wilson give Gase the type of WRs that fit his system.
They were designed to be behind the LOS plays, you cant fault him for that. The play callers stayed, so i dont see how Landry leaving changes any of that.
Getting rid of the done Pouncey was a no brainer. He killed us last year by not practicing. We’ve been pretty good when the OL has been good, so I expect a good competitive team this year.
Browns will go QB at 1. The only way they don’t is if they believe the top 3 QBs are rated evenly in their evaluation and that is highly unlikely. They have a shot at the best QB in the draft. Their lady front office for 2 straight years bypassed getting the top QB in the draft and they are out of their jobs while the QBs they passed on have gone on to playoffs
Mike E. says:
April 4, 2018 at 2:45 pm
I can see both points of view with the Browns and Barkley. If they have conviction about who their favorite QB is, and there’s no question they have a QB rated higher than the other QB’s, then I think they need to take that QB at #1. If they have the QB’s rated very similarly, and feel as comfortable drafting any of them, then it could make sense to draft Barkley at #1. My guess though, is the Browns will have a QB they prefer and will therefore draft that QB at #1, and if Barkley happens to be there at #4, which is still entirely possible, especially if the Giants either take a QB or Chubb. That’s a WIN-WIN
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Maybe thats why im seeing it the way i am, because i really dont see one Qb that would make me do it the other direction and i definately would have Brakley higher rated than any of the 4 QB’s. Id have Nelson higher than them too, and probably Chubb. Fitzpatrick would be pretty damn close.
I get that, but they might. I’m sure there are some teams not picking #1 that have one they prefer drops to them, so not crazy to think the Browns do too.
I hope not. He doesn’t fit their MO though.
Well, Geoducks are clams that don’t fit in their shell sooooo…..
And look like giant dongs……….
you think they look giant? hmmmmmm
I guess I get why…..
I kind of liked what Gase said of Pouncey, and Mando capitalized on it. Pouncey was Elite and in pass pro was still elite but his hips issues, the lack of certainty he would be ont he field, etc just didn’t represent the player he was anymore. Also as Gase said he was asking him to carry the OG’s as part of his assignements and combined with a drop off in athletic ability he just couldnt fulfill that role they way he had designed it. I think Gase had more confidence in Pouncey than Pouncey could deliver at the end, but i dont at all think Pouncey wont be missed and i think we will see it in pass pro from time to time with Kilgore. I dont know that i think we upgraded at OC as much as i think we got better consistency, specifically in being able to count on that guy being there.
Yeah we’ll miss Pouncey, but not the 2017 or 2018 version. By keeping him we were putting the success of the OL in his hands, not a good idea, and that’s why they jumped on the Kilgore UPGRADE.
Cespedes!
I am really high on Ian Thomas at TE for us, especially as it looks like we will miss out on Gesicki, Hurst, Goeddert, and Andrews.
Why do you think we will miss out on those guys?
Watching the Mets game on FB – SUCKS!!! I’d rather watch it on TV with the regular broadcast crew, and without the shameful social media emojis floating all over the place. It’s total garbage
Darts?
I heard them talking about that on WFAN yesterday. That’s the way sports and technology are going.
Stanger, I’m digging your new ghost avatar.
Only way I could figure out how to get back on the board as tough as they are at the velvet rope these days. 🙂
How you doing Rock? Am already counting you to be at the next Fest….you were missed big time.
Anyone ever think to yourselves what people were thinking when they decided, “Hey i think im going to try to eat that thing”.
With the Geoducks they had to be waling along and be like, wow whats this giant penis looking thing sticking up out of the dirt. I think ill dig it up. They dig down and finally find the thing 2-3 foot down and then they are standing there looking at it and going “yep its a giant pecker extending out of this shelled codsack, i think i need to put that in my mouth.” Whaaaaaaa?
It’s possible it just fell in their mouths
Probably a frat prank gone wrong.
This goes without saying…….
And we have no clue where its going because it never does say…..
Piggs well they will all go at the bottom of the first round or the very top of the 2nd.
We won’t take a TE at #11 and they’ll all 4 be gone by #42.
I dont see that. I think you might have one of them go at the end of the first, but most will go top of the second to top of the third i think.
That’s kind of my concern but I do think there is a good chance a good TE will be there at #42 because other positions are going to get drafted as well. I think we tend to think the prospects we want will always be gone. LOL