Camp Battles – TE

At the moment of this writing, the Dolphins have 6 tight ends on the roster, but realistically, at most we will carry 4, and even more likely 3.  The two guaranteed to stick are the most recent draftees, 2nd RD pick Mike Gesicki and 4th RD pick Durham Smythe.  After Gesicki and Smythe, the coaches seem to really like A.J. Derby who was picked up last season after DEN waived him.  There is also 5 YR veteran MarQueis Gray,  and recent pickup Gavin Escobar who played for the Cowboys for 4 seasons.  Also still hanging around is Thomas Duarte,  Dolphins 2016 7th RD draft pick.  We have better depth at TE than any time in recent memory, and this should be a fun battle to see play out because the 3rd and possibly 4th spots should be really competitive.

Mike Gesicki TE – 6’6″ 250

2018 2nd RD pick, Gesicki is the kind of athletic receiving threat many fans have been craving for more than a decade.  4.54 speed, 41.5″ vertical, 6.76 3 cone, this guy is a fast, agile, explosive athlete.  He will be in a tough battle for playing time with his fellow draftee Durham Smythe, because what Gesicki lacks in blocking skills, Smythe has in spades.  Gesicki has made it clear he is willing to block and learn how to, and wants to become a more rounded NFL TE.

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Durham Smythe TE – 6’5″ 253

2018 4th RD pick, Smythe was a big part of the success of the run game at Notre Dame.  Known for his excellent blocking, toughness and tenacity, he truly helped propel the Irish’s running game.  Seldom used as a receiver, just 28 receptions and 244 yards and 6 TD’s in 4 seasons, he definitely has value as a receiver too.  Smythe’s blocking skills should enable him playing time as an inline TE and also as a 2nd TE.

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A.J. Derby TE – 6’4″ 255

Derby is a former 6th RD pick of the New England Patriots who was eventually cut by NE and picked up by the Denver Broncos.  In 2016 Derby caught 16 passes for 160 yards with the Broncos.  Derby played only one season at TE for Arkansas,  so he came into the NFL pretty inexperienced.  He has good speed, running the 40 in 4.67 at his pro day.  In DEN in 2017, Derby caught 19 passes for 228 yards and 2 TD’s.  For the Dolphins, Derby appeared in 9 games, catching 2 passes for 20 yards.  Not a huge body of work for the soon to be 27 year old TE, either in college or the pros, but the coaches here see potential, although he will have to realize some of that potential in TC and preseason games to stick here.

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MarQeuis Gray TE – 6’4″ 263

Gray has spent the last 2 seasons here in Miami, but has played for Cleveland, Tampa, Buffalo and Minnesota.  In 2014, Gray made his NFL tour having a cup of coffee with the Bucs, Vikes and finally settling in with the Bills.  The Dolphins picked him up in 2016 and has played appeared in all 32 games, with 7 starts.  As a Dolphin, Gray has 15 receptions for 184 yards.  Gray has lined up as a 2nd TE and also H-back/FB, and has shown decent blocking ability.

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Gavin Escobar TE – 6’6″ 260

Escobar played 5 seasons for the Cowboys and although he didn’t get a ton of opportunities, he certainly made the most of them.  Escobar caught a total of 30 passes for 333 yards and 8 TD’s. Not a blocker, he’s definitely a receiving TE.  Escobar has long arms and big hands, and despite the fact he doesn’t have good speed, he has good reliable hands and with 8 TD’s in only 30 receptions, he makes them count.  I think Escobar and Derby are will be in a tight competition to claim what may be the last 1 or 2 posts on the roster at TE.

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Thomas Duarte TE – 6’2″ 244

Duarte has spent the last 2 seasons on the PS after being drafted in the 7th RD of the 2016 NFL draft by the Dolphins.  Duarte was a WR at UCLA who has bulked up with the hopes of being a move TE in the NFL.  Not a blocker, but a smooth, athletic route runner who really came on his senior season at UCLA, catching 53 passes for 872 yards and 10 TD’s.  The Dolphins like Duarte, they have kept him around for 2 seasons on the PS, and I think his best bet to remain with the team would most likely be in that capacity again.  He will have a hard time beating out veterans Escobar and Derby, but a very strong showing could give him an outside shot.

 

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1,170 Responses to Camp Battles – TE

  1. Rockphin says:

    Rob, I never said anything about QBR (I don’t like QBR because I don’t like ESPN and don’t know what goes into QBR, I understand Passer Rating which has been around for ever, so I follow passer rating, anyway I digress) I never said anything about QBR I said wins are not a quarterback stat. I will argue that in the pit of death. Only stupid fools would attribute things beyond a quarterbacks control (like how the defense or special teams perform) to a quarterback. WINS are a team stat. PERIOD NO ARGUMENT UNLESS IS A FUCKING STUPID ONE.

    Is there a correlation between QBR or percentage of runs to wins? Yes I agree there is. but is a correlation not a underlying “truth”

    Teams with a QB who’s QBR is lower than the opponents have lost to teams with a QB that has a lower QBR. (often enough to prove my point and disprove yours) THAT is a fact.

    • Rockphin says:

      Screwed that up when I got interrupted here at work. Teams who’s QB was higher HAVE lost to teams who’s QB QBR was lower.

  2. wyoming85 says:

    Oh well I guess I’ll go look for some draft picks that will make us suck less next year!

  3. Rockphin says:

    BAM! On the page turn too!

  4. Rockphin says:

    ocalarob says:
    June 19, 2018 at 3:28 pm
    I know i’m hated here…

    for the record I like you. so there is that! (take it for what it’s worth)

    • Tim Knight says:

      I don’t hate you Rob nor do I think anyone here does. We say things here and get called out on it if others think it’s off base. That’s all.

      • Mike E. says:

        Rob knows we don’t hate him. He just threw a bunch of kindling and lighter fluid on it, threw a match at it, and then walked away. No biggie, he’ll be back soon.

  5. Tim Knight says:

    I mean passer rating when saying QBR.

  6. CavalierKong says:

    I’m not sure, but I think it takes a team to win in this league. You can have an average QB and go to a Super Bowl.

    Jim Mcmahon, Rich Gannon, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Jake Delhomme, Rex Grossman, Colin Kaepernick, Kerry Collins, Chris Chandler, Stan Humphries, Neil Odonnel, Jeff Hostetler, Tony Easman, David Woodley (go fins), Vince Ferragamo, Joe Flacco.

    All went to the big game. All average at best.

  7. Rockphin says:

    the correct terms are PASSER RATING or Rating and QBR which is an ESPN stat that includes other things like how the play was EXPECTED to go which is too arbitrary for me.

    • Mike E. says:

      Yeah, but we’re applying the passer to the QB, so it’s a QBR. ESPN will be gone soon, and their shitty rating system will be gone too

  8. steveccnv says:

    ocalarob says:
    June 19, 2018 at 3:22 pm
    steveccnv says:
    June 19, 2018 at 3:05 pm
    Wow, do you really believe the BS you write?
    ___________________________________________

    Let me know when you have something intelligent to say, write it all in caps so i know when to read your comments, otherwise i’ll just ignore your stupidity.
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    Yeah! Rob is done trolling.

  9. CavalierKong says:

    ocalarob says:
    June 19, 2018 at 3:33 pm

    check the end of each year, who makes the playoffs and who doesn’t and relate that to passer rating, you may be surprised at what you find. at least 80 percent of the qb’s in the top 10 are in the playoffs and there is 12 spots.
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    If you are saying you have a better chance to make the playoffs with high quality play from the QB, I agree with you. But it isn’t a requirement to have a top 5 or even top 10 QB. I just listed 16 very average QBs that took their teams to the SB. Tanny might be able to take us there… or maybe not. But passer rating isn’t the be all-end all.

    Only 5 teams can have a QB in the top 5. Only 10 teams can have a QB in the top 10. If you don’t have one of those, do you just give up every year, waste year after year trying to get that one guy or do you try to put together a TEAM that can get you there.

    We MAY have a top 10 QB this year. We were close in ’16.

    Woohoo! Minutia/statistical analysis debates are the bestest.

    • Rockphin says:

      I guess you keep drafting a QB in the first round every year until your first round QB is a “winner” his first season? Or maybe just until he passes the “eye test”, but what if he passes the “eye test” one year and doesn’t the next year? Do you start drafting a QB in the first again just in case?

    • ocalarob says:

      what are the passer ratings every year in the SB, it’s been around 50 years and yes you’ve been able to pull some rabbits out of your kool-aide leaking hat but for the most part the SB contenders have PR’s in the high 90’s to low 100’s, you rarely see a QB with a low passer rating in the SB and if you do they have a very stout running game such as Plunkett had

      • CavalierKong says:

        Um ok, but if they have shitty passer ratings in the years leading up to the SB year, doesn’t that mean you would have been saying the same thing about them you are currently saying about Tanny?

        Can’t Tanny put up numbers slightly higher than normal this year just like those QBs did?

        That is the point.

      • CavalierKong says:

        And some QBS still had average ratings in their SB years, but had excellent defenses, or like you said, good running games. Can’t we do that too? Why can’t our average QB benefit from a good TEAM around him to win a SB? Why do we HAVE to look at passer rating as the be all end all of wins?

  10. Rockphin says:

    QBR includes things like Win Probability and Expected Points and Clutch Index

    Fuck you! Clutch index!

    The final major step is to look at how “clutch” the situation was when creating expected points. A normal play has a clutch index of 1.0. For instance, first-and-goal from the 10-yard line in a tie game at the start of the second quarter has a clutch index of almost exactly 1.0. A more clutch situation, one late in the game when the game is close — the same situation as above but midway through the fourth quarter, for example — has a clutch index of about 2.0. Maximum clutch indices are about 3.0, and minimum indices are about 0.3.

    arbitrary! If a QB throws 6 TD in the first half and doesn’t have to do anything in the 2nd half but hand the ball off and punt did he still not throw 6 TD’s in a half?

  11. ocalarob says:

    Rockphin says:
    June 19, 2018 at 3:30 pm
    , I understand Passer Rating which has been around for ever, so I follow passer rating, anyway I digress) I never said anything about QBR I said wins are not a quarterback stat. I will argue that in the pit of death. Only stupid fools would attribute things beyond a quarterbacks control (like how the defense or special teams perform) to a quarterback. WINS are a team stat. PERIOD
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    first of all I’m talking about Passer Rating i’m just calling it QBR, this has nothing to do with ESPN. I think when an offense controls the ball it helps the defense as they are rested and pumped most of the time, a good offense is a good defense.

    So back to your statement, if not having a good passer rating has no bearing on wins and losses…Then how do you explain thsi???

    ,,,,,,,,player…………..w/l……………qbr
    1 Alex Smith*….10-6…………104.7
    2 Drew Brees*……..11-5……103.9
    3 Tom Brady*+…..13-3………102.8
    4 Carson Wentz*…13-3……..101.9
    5 Jared Goff*…….11-5………..100.5
    6 Matthew Stafford……9-7…..99.3
    7 Case Keenum…13-3………..98.3
    8 Aaron Rodgers…11-5……….97.2
    9 Philip Rivers*……9-7………..96.0
    10 Russell Wilson*…9-7………..95.4

    • ElephantRider says:

      Packers won 7 games last year. What year is this from?
      Wentz has 0 playoff appearances. 🙂

    • Rockphin says:

      I didn’t say it has no bearing I have ONLY said that wins are not a QB stat. Wins and losses cannot be SOLELY attributed to the QB. There is a correlation but it is not a hard and fast one that can be easily quantified. My example above still stands. Teams with a Passer rating higher than the opponents passer rating have won. And OFTEN. The Defense and special teams see to that.

      • ocalarob says:

        I disagree Passer rating is soley attributed to the QB so winning goes hand in hand with his play.

      • Tim Knight says:

        So protection and receivers getting open and catching the ball and making plays has no bearing on a passer rating? Just like a pass rush and coverage go hand in hand, yeah it does.

  12. ElephantRider says:

    How about high caliber play from EVERYONE

    • steveccnv says:

      Thats what we’ve been trying to say it’s a team game. With the 9 out of 10 QBs at the top of the ratings, some are because the QB is great and others are a product of the team being good, as in a game mamager. There’s more than one way to win.

  13. CavalierKong says:

    I’ve never even heard of Vince Ferragamo. lol

  14. wyoming85 says:

  15. son of a son of a shula says:

    This long distance dedication is from a pair of Dolphins who wish to give a shout out to Fins fans. Minkah Fitzpatrick, being the good teammate, went to Ryan Tannehill asking if he “wanted some of this”. Ryan said hell yes, so here is their dedication request. Crank it up:

    (UCF alum Josh Sitton on the – do do da do do – part)

  16. Mike E. says:

    Who’s B.B. King? Did he play for the Niners?

  17. Rockphin says:

    ocalarob says:
    June 19, 2018 at 3:56 pm
    I disagree Passer rating is soley attributed to the QB so winning goes hand in hand with his play.

    You can disagree all you want, it doesn’t change reality. LOL

    Tom Brady is 23-13 against the Dolphins. In YOUR reality he would be 36 – 0

    Wins are not a QB stat they are a team stat. Repeat it with me;
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  18. Rockphin says:

    Wasn’t Clapton a bust at QB? His release was too slow? (slow hand)

  19. Rockphin says:

    Rob, here is my proof, Mark Snatcheese went to the AFC Championship game twice.

    Drop’s mic and walks away…..

    I will not discuss this with you anymore.

  20. Mike E. says:

    Winning IS a team stat. Pretty sure the entire roster gets SB rings, not just the QB

  21. stangerx says:

    Was once part of the local crew who put up the stage that B.B. King performed on for an outdoor concert. His advance roadie folks who were directing us made it sound like he was the best guy you could ever meet in your life. Guess that makes me two degrees of separation from BB 🙂

  22. ocalarob says:

    I’ve been looking all over for the defensive passer rating does anyone know if that goes hand in hand with winning?

    what other stat is so prominent in playing winning football?

    Is passer rating a team stat?

    • CavalierKong says:

      It has to be a team stat, or at least an offensive stat. Unless you think QBs can throw and catch the ball, and protect themselves to give themselves time to throw. It’s a stat made up of multiple moving parts.

  23. CavalierKong says:

    When does fins training camp open? I can’t wait for these guys to get the pads on. July/August is my favorite time of the NFL season. We get to see some real football, and the team hasn’t had a chance to underwhelm and crush our hopes yet, lol.

  24. Tim Knight says:

    ORob, there is an overload of stats for everything now. Play good football in all phases and you’re in the postseason. Complimentary football. Each unit supporting the other.

    • ocalarob says:

      `I know this Mr Tim, I also know there are a few certain stats that relate directly to who’s playing winning football and who’s not and one of those are passer rating stats another important stat would be number of running plays.

      if those stats are favorable then the rest follow such as good defense.

      if you cant run the ball and your QB sucks your defense will be on the field way too long and collapse and vice versa.

      It all trickles down.

      too separate from being mediocre to even above avg to being a title contender Tannehill will have to produce a passer rating above 100.

      I believe for him to do that we need to run the ball effectively

      is he capable??? we shall see

      • Tim Knight says:

        +/- turnover ratio is a huge stat. Scoring more points than you allow is pretty important in winning games too. LOL

  25. son of a son of a shula says:

    Damn Stanger you and BB is practically kin!

    I’ve always only heard good things about him. Genuine and cool.

    • stangerx says:

      Was for the Oyster Festival in Norwalk and yeah… his folks worshiped him, but not in that all powerful boss or most special talent ever kind of way. They loved him.

  26. Mike E. says:

    https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mets-are-reportedly-open-to-trades-before-the-deadline-and-heres-why-it-might-be-time-to-deal-jacob-degrom/

    Tim – This is what I’ve been saying. The Mets can really get a good start on rebuilding the team. I think it’s their best move. Then you keep trading pieces and adding young talent. It could make watching the games exciting again next season and beyond

  27. Mike E. says:

    Rob – It’s through the roof, one of the best!

    • Tim Knight says:

      They were discussing historic pitching on WFAN a few weeks ago. In 1968 Bob Gibson was 22-9 with a 1.12 ERA. How did he lose 9 games with that ERA? 1-0, 2-1, unearned runs etc.

      • stangerx says:

        I believe after that season they lowered the mound a good bit. So wasn’t just him not giving up runs. And could have been a bad bullpen too.

  28. wyoming85 says:

    I’ll just leave this here! 😉

  29. son of a son of a shula says:

    Tim they didn’t use the bullpen, when Gibson was pitching, starters pitched nine all the time back then.

    • Mike E. says:

      Heyy yeah, and they pitched into extra innings too if necessary. It was a different game. I also think that’s a big part of the reason there are more strikeouts in the game, hitters face 3-5 pitchers a night, all different styles, and a mix of lefties and righties. Tough to do that than face the same pitcher 4-5 times in a game

  30. Tim Knight says:

    My point was as dominant as Gibson was, sometimes great performances get hung out to dry with no support.

    • Mike E. says:

      No doubt. deGrom has had most likely the worst run support of any pitcher in baseball

    • stangerx says:

      Can’t argue with that Tim. Baseball or football still team games. A pitcher can dominate more than a QB, but then they only go every fifth night. But even then a guy like Gibson can lose 1-0.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Same with goalies in hockey. If your team doesn’t fore or back check well and your defensemen are allowing easy access into the zone a goalie can only stop so many shots. One of the reasons many hockey fans sans Devils fans thought
        Marty Brodeur was overrated is because the Devils were so good in those areas he didn’t face that many scoring chances.

        Team play is huge rather than relying on one or a handful of guys to carry you.

  31. Mike E. says:

    Wyo – Did you say something? lol

  32. wyoming85 says:

  33. wyoming85 says:

    son of a son of a shula says:
    June 19, 2018 at 8:02 pm
    Wait is that for dingers by Bergman?
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    Na it was a walk off double

  34. Tim Knight says:

    In the offseason why did so many of us say we need to upgrade the OL, get better at TE, need a better pass rush, LB play and the secondary to take the next step, if all we need is a QB with a high PR and a RB to strike fear into all? LOL

    • Mike E. says:

      LOL

      • Tim Knight says:

        I’m not going to say all of what we did this offseason and in the past couple of years since Gase has been here will pan out the way we hope, it rarely does. But we did address all of that and we’re trending that way.

  35. Rockphin says:

    TOUCH DOWN DANNY AMENDOLA!!

    Huh, that doesn’t make me nauseous any more.

  36. wyoming85 says:

    • CavalierKong says:

      It’s crazy he led the league in that stat and only started like 6 games.

      • wyoming85 says:

        Well to be honest it just means he got hit in the backfield more in 6 games than the rest did in 16

      • CavalierKong says:

        I was thinking it meant he broke off multiple big runs after being contacted in the backfield, but yeah, as bad as our oline was, he probably had more opportunities too, lol.

  37. Tim Knight says:

    You won’t miss Landry with Amendola, Wilson and Grant working the screens and the backs being more involved in the passing game like once Ajayi was traded. Gase knows he can get Landry type yards in multiple ways. It wasn’t about it’s Landry’s fault we used him that way, it’s about paying him elite WR money to do what he does.

    Now add some new TE dynamics. We all wanted a TE who can open up the field and add a new dynamic. That turned into how is he as a blocker? The same with Jerome Baker, we need a fast modern day LB who can run and cover. We add him and it’s I’m not sure he can be an every down player, he’s kind of small at 6-1 229. Nope never see a LB that size in the NFL these days. LOL

    We had one of the top 5 prospects in this draft fall to us in Minkah Fitzpatrick at #11, but now we worry about how we’ll deal with superior depth at Safety?

    I mean why do we do this to ourselves?

  38. Rockphin says:

    I mean why do we do this to ourselves?
    Reply

    Why is water wet? Why do Dolphins swim? Why is the sun “yellow” but the sky blue?

  39. pheloniusphish says:

    but these are the facts. Do you really think this is coincidence?
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    I would like to point out, apropos of nothing, that RT’s rating and the team record in 2016 were 94 point something and 10-6. Not sure whose argument that supports.

  40. pheloniusphish says:

    ORon – Nobody hates you. We are all dicks sometimes. You’re just a duck more often than others.

  41. Rockphin says:

    Not sure whose argument that supports.
    Reply

    ROFLMAO! That’s good.

    I’m not sure either.

  42. mf13ss says:

    wyoming85 says:
    June 19, 2018 at 8:52 pm

    ——————-
    That’s a VERY good stat, and thanks for posting, Wyoming.

    Now just imagine IF our O-Line is improved… if Drake can get past the LOS before getting contacted (as opposed to getting contacted in the backfield as much as he did last season), he’s going to be even DEADLIER this year.

    GO O-LINE!!!
    GO DRAKE!!!
    GO PHINS!!!

    • mf13ss says:

      And if Drake (and company) can become LEGIT running threats (so as to stack ‘8 in-the-box’… see ’16 with Ajayi), this opens up the passing game for Tannehill.

      This IS called… WINNING!!!

  43. Tim Knight says:

    Not physical, yeah okay. LOL

    • Rockphin says:

      there was half of the 130 on one play.

    • mf13ss says:

      Another video taking a HOT, steamy $#!t on Ajayi from the start… as subtle as it was.

      Look, our running game is going to be contingent upon our O-Line. And if we can get opposing Defenses to play ‘8 in-the-box’ as Ajayi had them playing against us, Ryan Tannehill is going to ROCK this year!!!

      Too many take a $#!t on Ajayi AND our surprising O-Line of ’16… don’t think that Tannehill did it all alone… it’s a TEAM game!

      • mf13ss says:

        And YES… I DO think that what we’re building this year WILL be beneficial to Tannehill, trying to replicate what we/he did in ’16.

        I just get funkin’ TIRED of fanboys trying to seem intelligent… 😆
        And THAT is the case of the video above, by HIGHLIGHTING the trade of Ajayi.

      • 13kvFINS says:

        That o16 highly respected OL Coach Washburn has returned too, from one year hiatus!!!

        Manage to avoid natural disasters,
        And off field calamities via higher class of character players/coaches

        And we should kick the majority-plus of asses will face!!

        GOFINS!!!

      • 13kvFINS says:

        Really like the new OC Loggains

        &

        New DL coach is INTENSELY likable!!!

        I see great things in our near future!!!

        GOFINS!!!

    • CavalierKong says:

      2:06, 2:32, 3:15, 3:42, 3:52 – power. He shakes off Wilfork in the hole at 3:42.

      • mf13ss says:

        Drake is VERY good. He’s got a LOT of promise, Bro! And I think he’ll do even better this year behind our new O-Line.

      • CavalierKong says:

        Yep, improved line which means improved running game. And Gore in the mix with Ballage in the wings. We SHOULD be able to flat out run the rock this year.

    • 13kvFINS says:

      KDrake is fun to watch!!!

      Ballage gonna be too!!!

      Frank will be Frank!!!

      All Good Things!!!

      EVERY INDUVIDUAL POSITION (other than Suh’s)
      Has been substantially upgraded in the actual starter,
      And/or at the very least with a plethora of viable depth
      acquired to better every single unit!!!

      Get it all to mesh, and we should be extraordinarily good for one year 2018!!!

      Then in 2019, good will become ordinary once again for our
      Miami Dolphins!!

      GOFINS!!!

  44. Rockphin says:

    man, I know it’s his highlight film, but the first guy doesn’t bring him down.

  45. Tim Knight says:

    One of the longest highlight videos for a rook I’ve ever seen. He’s all over the field in every phase. If he doesn’t pan out, I give up! LOL

      • mf13ss says:

        Did I mention that Minkah was coached by Nick Saban… and that that system doesn’t work in the NFL? 😉

        GOD I hope you’re right, man!

    • CavalierKong says:

      Not a rook, 2nd yr, but yeah, catching passes, running inside, running outside, breaking tackles, making people look bad, turning sure tackles into big plays. I can’t wait to see him behind a hopefully better line.

  46. mf13ss says:

    Just for the record… I DO believe in Minkah. I feel that he’s the exception to my “Saban Rule”, based on his intelligence, non-stop grind, and love of the game. Plus, he seems to be a GENTLEMAN.

    I don’t think we went wrong with Minkah… I just get the ‘heebie-jeebies’ when it comes to Saban-coached DBs… as history has shown.

    GO MINKAH!!!
    GO PHINS!!!

  47. ocalarob says:

    watch the first play from scrimmage, this is what concerns me about Drake.

    • CavalierKong says:

      Sometimes there is not much to be done when the defense is on the RB 2 yds into the backfield. Here is Ajayi with a similar result: week 3 against the Jets at the :36 mark

    • 13kvFINS says:

      Yea really, WTF is KD upposed to do on that “”first play from scrimmage””??

      Take a knee so a petty complaint of watch him quit on
      “”the first play from scrimmage””” rings out…

      My goodness, how does one enjoy watching football when hyper-critique takes high priority over simply watching the damn game playout??

      Tell’Ya what, had them first defenders been any one, two, three of us??
      KDrake would’a tractored himself forward directly over the face of those most discriminative of his skills!!!

      In the situation he was actually in, he tried to make something out of negative nothing!!!

      Go KDrake!!!

  48. Tim Knight says:

    M13, yeah you say it over and over but leave out guys like Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Landon Collins and Minkah Fitzpatrick who may be the best of all of them like they don’t exist from your Saban/Alabama bias.

    But many of your former prospects you love who are no longer in the league and never amounted to anything are still prominent? You’re not a pro scout no matter how much smoke OD blows up your ass. Be realistic and stop pretending. We’re all amateurs here.

    None of us are in the room or on the field with any of these players.

    Sorry to be so harsh, just tired of being told things as fact that don’t add up.

    No matter how many times people say PFF is not a factor you still post it like it’s significant. It’s not. Who does the grading?

  49. steveccnv says:

    Rockphin says:
    June 19, 2018 at 8:46 pm
    we don’t know what he is yet. I guess we know what your opinion is though.

    Dude play along here, he’s not a QB, so…

  50. Randy says:

    Pittsburgh threw AB 155 passes? Holy shit. That’s way too much. Don’t they know you can’t target any one receiver that much because it’s bad for the offense? Shame on AB for letting all those balls get thrown his way. He should be traded, damn lead dog! 🤔🤭😏😆

    • CavalierKong says:

      lol

    • 13kvFINS says:

      Like two plus times more productive on average than 14!!!!

      You don’t trade that guy for nothing, unless he becomes a Dick Diva!!!
      And even then youd like to make it work in order to keeps the league’s best receiver (arguably) in a conversation that 14 comes nowhere near being a part of!!!

  51. CavalierKong says:

    Rob, no need to worry. The game you referenced, here are Drake’s runs. He only had negative yardage a couple of times, he converted 2 of 2 in 3rd and short, got at least 4 yards on 4 out of 6 1st down runs, broke a big run of 32 and a 2nd big run of 11 and averaged 5.4 per carry.

    1st and 10 at MIA 25
    (15:00 – 1st) (Shotgun) K.Drake up the middle to MIA 22 for -3 yards (M.Milano).

    1st and 10 at MIA 36
    (9:40 – 1st) K.Drake left guard pushed ob at BUF 32 for 32 yards (M.Hyde).

    2nd and 19 at BUF 31
    (6:07 – 1st) (Shotgun) K.Drake right end to BUF 20 for 11 yards (M.Hyde).

    1st and 10 at MIA 30
    (9:23 – 2nd) K.Drake up the middle to MIA 35 for 5 yards (J.Poyer; P.Brown).

    2nd and 5 at MIA 35
    (8:51 – 2nd) (Shotgun) K.Drake up the middle to MIA 39 for 4 yards (P.Brown).

    3rd and 1 at MIA 39
    (8:15 – 2nd) (Shotgun) K.Drake right guard to MIA 43 for 4 yards (R.Humber).

    1st and 10 at MIA 22
    (2:02 – 2nd) (Shotgun) K.Drake left end to MIA 26 for 4 yards (J.Hughes).

    2nd and 10 at BUF 39
    (9:33 – 3rd) (Shotgun) K.Drake up the middle to BUF 37 for 2 yards (P.Brown; K.Williams).

    2nd and 6 at MIA 42
    (6:07 – 3rd) K.Drake up the middle to MIA 46 for 4 yards (M.Milano).

    3rd and 2 at MIA 46
    (5:31 – 3rd) (Shotgun) K.Drake right guard to MIA 49 for 3 yards (P.Brown).
    1st and 10 at BUF 27
    (4:13 – 3rd) K.Drake right end to BUF 21 for 6 yards (M.Hyde).

    1st and 10 at BUF 16
    (3:20 – 3rd) K.Drake left guard to BUF 18 for -2 yards (J.Hughes).

    1st and 10 at BUF 27
    (8:30 – 4th) K.Drake up the middle to BUF 23 for 4 yards (R.Hatley).

    • CavalierKong says:

      See, the good thing about a RB like Drake is if you can get 3 or 4 yards on a good percentage of your 1st down plays (like Drake does), it really opens up the offense on 2nd down. Also having that back you can count on to pick up the 3rd and shorts makes it a lot easier on the offense.

      It’s using the run game to control the game and impose your will. Very important.

  52. Rockphin says:

    Man, I can’t wait until the passing game with RT opens up the run game for Drake and Ballage…..

    😉

  53. Tim Knight says:

    Just remember, nothing ever gets better, it is what it is. Practice doesn’t make perfect, it makes only better sometimes. Oh my, life…. LOL

  54. ElephantRider says:

    For the life of me I cant help but get excited about the season.
    Poo poo all you want.

  55. CavalierKong says:

    Here is Ajayi against the Jets week 3 last year. Ajayi had 4 negative runs (-2,-2,-2,-5), 4+ yards on 2 of 4 1st downs, had no big runs (didn’t get more than 4 on any carry), and averaged a measly 1.5 yds a carry.

    1-10-MIA 46
    (12:24) 23-J.Ajayi left end to MIA 44 for -2 yards (33-Ja.Adams).
    2-6-MIA 39
    (4:38) 23-J.Ajayi right tackle to MIA 39 for no gain (92-L.Williams; 56-D.Davis).
    1-10-MIA 9
    (:57) (Shotgun) 23-J.Ajayi left tackle to MIA 13 for 4 yards (41-B.Skrine).
    2-6-MIA 13
    (:27) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 23-J.Ajayi up the middle to MIA 17 for 4 yards (47-D.Bass).
    2-12-MIA 20
    (14:22) 23-J.Ajayi up the middle to MIA 18 for -2 yards (56-D.Davis).
    2-10-MIA 25
    (7:13) (No Huddle) 23-J.Ajayi right tackle to MIA 23 for -2 yards (56-D.Davis).
    1-10-MIA 15
    (4:06) 23-J.Ajayi right tackle to MIA 17 for 2 yards (96-M.Wilkerson).
    1-10-MIA 29
    (1:02) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 23-J.Ajayi up the middle to MIA 33 for 4 yards (58-D.Lee).
    2-10-MIA 25
    (14:54) 23-J.Ajayi up the middle to MIA 20 for -5 yards (99-S.McLendon).

  56. CavalierKong says:

    Here is Ajayi vs Baltimore. 4+ yds on only 1 of 7 1st down runs, with 3 negative 1st down runs, two 1 yd runs, and 1 no gain. He had 5 total negative runs, one big carry (21 yds) and averaged a paltry 1.8 yds a carry.
    That is 6 drives that Ajayi alone was responsible for putting us behind the 8 ball in down and distance on 2nd down.

    2nd and 15 at MIA 20
    (14:55 – 1st) J.Ajayi left guard pushed ob at MIA 41 for 21 yards (E.Weddle).
    1st and 10 at MIA 41
    (14:18 – 1st) (Shotgun) J.Ajayi up the middle to MIA 39 for -2 yards (L.Webb).
    1st and 10 at MIA 9
    (10:03 – 1st) J.Ajayi right guard to MIA 6 for -3 yards (B.Williams).
    2nd and 10 at MIA 25
    (8:13 – 1st) J.Ajayi left guard to MIA 23 for -2 yards (T.Suggs).
    1st and 10 at MIA 16
    (5:23 – 1st) (Shotgun) J.Ajayi left guard to MIA 20 for 4 yards (P.Onwuasor).
    2nd and 6 at MIA 20
    (4:42 – 1st) J.Ajayi left tackle to MIA 21 for 1 yard (C.Wormley).
    2nd and 14 at MIA 37
    (2:36 – 1st) (Shotgun) J.Ajayi left guard to MIA 42 for 5 yards (L.Webb).
    1st and 10 at MIA 25
    (13:16 – 2nd) J.Ajayi left guard to MIA 26 for 1 yard (C.Davis).
    1st and 10 at MIA 27
    (7:11 – 2nd) (Shotgun) J.Ajayi up the middle to MIA 27 for no gain (M.Pierce).
    1st and 10 at MIA 25
    (1:56 – 2nd) (Shotgun) J.Ajayi right guard to MIA 24 for -1 yards (M.Judon).
    1st and 10 at MIA 9
    (12:11 – 3rd) J.Ajayi right guard to MIA 10 for 1 yard (B.Williams).
    2nd and 10 at MIA 36
    (7:33 – 3rd) (Shotgun) J.Ajayi left tackle to MIA 33 for -3 yards (B.Williams).
    3rd and 1 at MIA 38
    (1:13 – 3rd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) J.Ajayi up the middle to MIA 39 for 1 yard (C.Mosley).

  57. CavalierKong says:

    I guess one of the points of all this (along with proving that Ajayi’s production was awful for us at times last year) is to say that pointing at a play or two or three that Drake had a negative run is less than meaningless because ALL backs have negative runs. Why be concerned over it with Drake? It happened at a higher rate with Ajayi last year, but he was still an acceptable back.

  58. Tim Knight says:

    Kong, we really need some good fortune.
    LT Tunsil
    LG Sitton
    C Kilgore
    RG Davis
    RT James
    Can we get 12 games played together? LOL

    • CavalierKong says:

      It seems to be the impossible task. But we escaped OTAs and mini camps in good team health. Fingers crossed for training camp and preseason. This honestly could be the best line we’ve had since the wildcat years.

  59. ElephantRider says:

    GO PHINS

  60. Rockphin says:

    But, but, but, Kong Ajayi ONLY had poor yardage because the other teams had 12-14 in the box. We FORCED them to stop the run in order to open up the pass.

    Drake is a big pussy dontcha know? Ajayi changed the way teams played is. He was the man. His failure wasn’t a failure.

  61. Rockphin says:

    It was all Tannehill’s fault!

  62. ocalarob says:

    There’s a difference between Ajayis negative yardage and drakes, ajayi couldn’t run because the whole D was after him, drake gets stopped with 7 guys in the box.

  63. ocalarob says:

    I know Drake made some great runs, he has great speed and will light it up in 2018, he’s just not a btwn the tackles RB IMO, you can’t count on him to pick up the tough yards from what i saw of his limited play last season. sure if he gets in the open he’s gone but he’s not going to drag defenders for minimal gains of 4 yards, when he gets hit he goes down, he had some huge losses in the KC game

  64. ocalarob says:

    Kong, you’re cherry picking…..Ajayi didn’t have enough touches in the Balt game to warrant any kind or assessment. he didn’t have enough carries in any of our losses while he was here,

  65. Ken says:

    OMG not another Ajayi vs Drake debate 😳

  66. ocalarob says:

    Kong…can you please look up a stat for me….the year and a half that Ajayi was here……when he rushed for 20 times or more…..please let me know the win loss record for those times.

    Thanks.

  67. Mike E. says:

    CavalierKong says:
    June 20, 2018 at 1:17 am (Edit)

    Here is Ajayi against the Jets week 3 last year. Ajayi had 4 negative runs (-2,-2,-2,-5), 4+ yards on 2 of 4 1st downs, had no big runs (didn’t get more than 4 on any carry), and averaged a measly 1.5 yds a carry.

    1-10-MIA 46
    (12:24) 23-J.Ajayi left end to MIA 44 for -2 yards (33-Ja.Adams).
    2-6-MIA 39
    (4:38) 23-J.Ajayi right tackle to MIA 39 for no gain (92-L.Williams; 56-D.Davis).
    1-10-MIA 9
    (:57) (Shotgun) 23-J.Ajayi left tackle to MIA 13 for 4 yards (41-B.Skrine).
    2-6-MIA 13
    (:27) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 23-J.Ajayi up the middle to MIA 17 for 4 yards (47-D.Bass).
    2-12-MIA 20
    (14:22) 23-J.Ajayi up the middle to MIA 18 for -2 yards (56-D.Davis).
    2-10-MIA 25
    (7:13) (No Huddle) 23-J.Ajayi right tackle to MIA 23 for -2 yards (56-D.Davis).
    1-10-MIA 15
    (4:06) 23-J.Ajayi right tackle to MIA 17 for 2 yards (96-M.Wilkerson).
    1-10-MIA 29
    (1:02) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 23-J.Ajayi up the middle to MIA 33 for 4 yards (58-D.Lee).
    2-10-MIA 25
    (14:54) 23-J.Ajayi up the middle to MIA 20 for -5 yards (99-S.McLendon).
    ***************************
    How can you expect Ajayi to be effective with a QB with a poor passer rating?

  68. ocalarob says:

    What’s funny is everyone wants Miami to win, Wins vs Losses. we want more wins than losses right?
    run the ball……have a good passer rating.
    and when i show these key points in what it takes to win which i haven’t seen much from this team in both departments… I get hit over the head with everyones keyboard.

    i think i’m just going to revert to posting cheer leaders…or my fav music…. like some others around here do. it just seems safer.

    • steveccnv says:

      You make such ridiculous comments we can’t help ourselves, it’s not personal, if anyone else did the same, so would the result, as long as we think they’re serious.

      • steveccnv says:

        On the other hand, when you mentioned the problem with your neighbor, we all had your back.

    • wyoming85 says:

      It’s not a bad life Orob!
      YOu get used to it

  69. ocalarob says:

    I know,

    She’s living in L.A. with my best old ex-friend Ray
    A guy she said she knew well and sometimes hated

    name that tune

  70. Randy says:

    kv13,
    Laundry was OUR best offensive player and, like it or not, he was one of the best at what he does. But, I was just poking fun at how conversations go around here sometimes…. Like blaming a wide receiver for how many times the ball is thrown his way. I’m fine with them letting laundry go.

    • steveccnv says:

      I have no problem getting rid of the dirty Laundry either. Sounds so much better when you put it that way 😁

    • 13kvFINS says:

      All good Randy, knew you were being somewhat sarcastic…

      Really though, never talked with you so just wanted to get you to say hi.

      Hi 😁

      GOFINS!!!

  71. Rockphin says:

    Rob, the good thing about you always being wrong is well, you are wrong about the player you hate on and they are actually pretty good!

    ” he had some huge losses in the KC game……”

    Really?
    2-1-MIA 36
    (14:29) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake up the middle to MIA 43 for 7 yards (51-F.Zombo).
    1-10-MIA 43
    (13:58) 32-K.Drake up the middle to MIA 47 for 4 yards (97-A.Bailey).
    1-10-KC 43
    (7:26) 32-K.Drake right guard to KC 38 for 5 yards (97-A.Bailey).
    2-10-KC 22
    (5:26) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake left end pushed ob at KC 10 for 12 yards (24-D.Revis). PENALTY on MIA-79-S.Young, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at KC 22 – No Play.
    1-10-MIA 25
    (13:00) 32-K.Drake up the middle to MIA 31 for 6 yards (97-A.Bailey; 92-T.Kpassagnon).
    2-4-MIA 31
    (12:25) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake right guard to MIA 38 for 7 yards (59-R.Ragland).
    1-10-KC 33
    (10:25) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake right end to KC 15 for 18 yards (59-R.Ragland)
    2-6-KC 11
    (8:59) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake left guard to KC 10 for 1 yard (50-J.Houston).
    1-10-MIA 29
    (1:43) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake up the middle to MIA 30 for 1 yard (95-C.Jones).
    1-10-MIA 25
    (10:24) 32-K.Drake up the middle to MIA 19 for -6 yards (96-B.Logan).
    1-10-MIA 29
    (3:39) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake up the middle to MIA 33 for 4 yards (59-R.Ragland).
    2-6-MIA 33
    (2:56) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake up the middle to MIA 40 for 7 yards (20-S.Nelson; 38-R.Parker).
    1-10-KC 16
    (10:53) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake up the middle to KC 15 for 1 yard (59-R.Ragland).

    That is EVERY Carry by Drake. The HUGE LOSSES were one for a loss of -1 yard and another for a loss of -6 yards. Go and watch the highlight on NFL . com of that play on the play by play chart. The guard fell down and let a guy into the backfield who almost took the hand off.

    You just make shit up man to support your irrational / unwarranted dislike of the guy. Look at the list of plays above. Up the middle 7yds, up the middle 4yds, up the middle 12yds, up the middle 6 yds, etc, etc, etc.

    YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN. Or are you just mistaken again and thinking of a different game?

  72. Rockphin says:

    No one even tried to block Logon on that play. He split the guard and center who ran past hem trying to block at the next level, but he came untouched.

    • steveccnv says:

      I dont believe Pouncey screwed up, based on the savior to SDs past OL woes, 3 time PBer, best team acquisition…

  73. Rockphin says:

    Your eyeballs seem to be deceiving you.
    Maybe you need thicker glasses dear.

  74. ocalarob says:

    Rock, when you have a strong running game you don’t lose 6 yards, when you have a beast hitting the hole at a good speed and an offensive line taking it to the DL you gain yardage.

    you don’t put fred astaire back there so he can try to dance around with a DL

    • Rockphin says:

      You really a stubborn SOB aren’t you. The DT came untouched on that play and almost took the handoff from Cutler. YOU ARE WRONG just fucking admit it and move one man!

    • steveccnv says:

      Lol, you should write a weekly column here called Ajayi weapon of mass destruction, then each week you could give him a new WMD nickname.

  75. ocalarob says:

    too many times last year i had seen Drake get stuffed for minimal if nothing or minus yardage. if he’s the starting rb in 2018 then Gase doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground

    • steveccnv says:

      Send a message into the team and tell Gase you’re taking over the play calling, because he doesn’t know…

  76. Rockphin says:

    Rob, get some glasses because you didn’t see what you thought you saw. It just didn’t happen. That is reality. Jay Ajayi lost more yards on first down than Drake ever has. I don’t need to cherry pick to prove it. 48% of his runs while with miami went for ONE YARD OR LESS.

    But that is just a meaningless stat if you want to live in your own alternative fact universe.

    • ocalarob says:

      and that happened due to the D keying on him, they don’t key on Drake, they don’t stack the box on drake, they will live with what drake can do because if they get their hands on him he will go down unlike ajayi.
      so the end result is they use the extra resources to guard against the other off factors, other than drake, shutting down our off output.

      why did tanne have his best year with ajayi?

      why did we go 10-6 with such lowsy numbers for ajayi?

      why did we go 2-7 with drake?

      • steveccnv says:

        I don’t think Drake started 9 games, but I do know some on the team gave up the last 3 weeks, and why Gase said tgey were gone. Drake had 2 great games the Cheats and Denver, both wins.

        Ajayi was great for us in 2016, but even so the offense mostly sputtered early in games, until RT brought us back to win.

  77. ocalarob says:

    I don’t care about Ajayi but what i do care about is having a similar type running game that ayaji produced,
    Drake isn’t that guy!

  78. pheloniusphish says:

    Holy shit, not again. Camp needs to start so we something else to argue about.

  79. Mike E. says:

    NEW BLOG UP!

  80. Rockphin says:

    and that happened due to the D keying on him, they don’t key on Drake, they don’t stack the box on drake

    Really? You are stretching to the point of breaking here. go back and look at the play you posted. They had 9 in the box. Wrong again.

  81. Rockphin says:

    and that happened due to the D keying on him, they don’t key on Drake, they don’t stack the box on drake

    Really? You are stretching to the point of breaking here. go back and look at the play you posted. They had 9 guys within 5 yards or the line They must have been scared of Drake after he was AVERAGING 6.77 yards per carry up to that point in the game (5 out of 7 of those runs between the tackles) ….. you are wrong again.

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