Camp Battles – WR

The Dolphins currently have 11 wide receivers on the roster, so that means that basically half of them will be gone when we start the season and cut down to 53.  It’s possible we keep 6 WR’s, although last year we only had 5 WR’s on our roster.  Our new additions Albert Wilson and Danny Amendola are obviously 2 WR’s that are IN.  Kenny Stills and Devante Parker are the other 2 that are definitely IN.  That leaves 1 or 2 spots that will be up for grabs in what I hope is a pretty fierce competition.  Let’s take a look at who’s in that competition for the last 1 or 2 WR spots.

Jakeem Grant WR – 5’6″ 169

I feel like Grant has an excellent chance of making the roster for two reasons.  The most obvious reason is his potential and experience as a dynamic kick returner.  The new kickoff rules at least in theory seem to favor speed, and Grant has that in spades.  He has returned both kickoffs and punts, and in addition, he has shown flashes of big play capability.  Last season Grant had 13 receptions for 213 yards and 2 TD’s.  That’s a nice 15.6 YPR and a TD every 6.5 receptions.  That’s maximizing your opportunities.  Personally, I think Grant is a shoo in, but I don’t mind if some of the other guys make it a tough decision, that’s what competition is all about.


Leonte Carroo WR – 6’0″ 211

It’s strange, but I think if anyone could ever benefit by being injured, right now it’s Leonte Carroo.  Frankly, this kid has shown so little, there’s a good reason why I consider him LC3, the WR counterpart to RB Daniel Thomas A.K.A DT3.  Both players were traded up for which squandered multiple picks (3 to be exact!), and both players are disappointments.  DT3 is now finally off the radar, but Carroo recently had a minor knee surgery which momentarily gives him a reprieve of further disappointment.  2 seasons, 10 catches and 98 yards and 1 TD for the 3rd RD pick we traded 2 additional picks for.  This guy was dynamic at Rutgers, a burly wide receiver with good speed and some run after the catch ability.  We just haven’t seen any of it and it seems as if this kid just isn’t motivated.  Maybe the actual threat of being cut will inspire him to get his ass in gear, but Carroo who doesn’t play special teams is on the bubble in my opinion.


Francis Owusu WR – 6’3″ 210

Owusu has nice size and speed to go with it.  The big WR ran an impressive 4.37 at his pro day, and looked good in camp and preseason, but didn’t make the cut last year.  The UDFA Stanford player has a shot this season, especially if LCIII stays on his current trajectory.  Owusu looked pretty good last year, and while he doesn’t quite have the athletic ability of Devante Parker, he has the size and speed, and looked to have pretty have good hands.  I recall being impressed with him last year in the preseason.  The kid has the ability to go up and get the football too with a nice 39″ vertical.  If he makes the most of his opportunities, he has a shot, especially if we go with 6 WR’s.


Rashawn Scott  WR – 6’1″ 199

Rashawn Scott is now 26, and the former Hurricane product is running out of time in Miami.  He was on the PS and actually made into 3 games total on ST’s, 2 in ’16 in 1 last season.  If Scott can show the kind of play he had in his senior season at Miami, he may be able to crack the roster, but again, it would have to be a 6 WR corps.  His last year at Miami, Scott caught 52 passes for 695 yards and 5 TD’s.  Injuries and maturity issues have kept Scott from succeeding, and this is probably his last shot with the Dolphins, so if he stays healthy and on the straight and narrow track he has a shot, albeit a slim one.


Isaiah Ford  WR – 6’1″ 194

Last year’s 7th RD pick, Ford comes into training camp facing an uphill battle.  Like Jarvis Landry, Ford is more quick than fast.  He has 4.6 speed, which is adequate, but he has to run crisp routes and show good acceleration out of his cuts, which Ford does. The former VaTech player had a very nice college career, with 24 TD receptions, and 210 receptions overall.  Not to be repetitive, but I think the only way Ford makes the cut is if we carry 6 WR’s.  Ford most likely is a slot WR.


Drew Morgan  WR – 6’0″ 187

Morgan was an UDFA pickup last season who spent some time on the PS squad.  The former Razorback WR had a decent career at Arkansas, and is a crafty route runner.  He lacks speed and physicality and play strength so Morgan will have play at a very high level to open some eyes in minicamp and training camp.  Morgan has better than average hands, and has showed he will make the tough catch in traffic.  He’ll have to do those things and more to have a shot at making the 53.

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712 Responses to Camp Battles – WR

  1. Tim Knight says:

    I can see Anthony being part of the LB group as a situational player. I think Jerome Baker will be similar. Alonso and McMillan should be our main LBs getting the most snaps, then the rest of the group pitching in here and there.

  2. ElephantRider says:

    I play golf simply for the invention of new vocabulary

  3. Rockphin says:

    mf13ss says:
    June 9, 2018 at 7:52 pm

    Yeah, Brother! Again, sorry about that yesterday! 🙂

    YOU ROCK!!!

    No no no ME ROCK
    Him S T A N G E R!

  4. BailBondMike says:

    13kv, Tim, seems I only play golf now days to keep up my stress level when I’m not working. LOL 13kv, sounds like our golf game is similar. I usually shoot 82-84 now days but averaged about 2-3 strokes better when I played at least 2-3 times a month. My best start ever was -1 after 9 holes. Like Tim, everything was clicking then after my 3rd beer, everything fell apart on the back 9 where I was 10 over and finished with an 81. That was about 18 years ago and it is still to fresh in my head, LOL.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Part of my problem with golf is I don’t play safe. If it’s a dog leg right I will try to clear the trees and get the ball on the turn while others will play it straight and go for that on the 2nd shot. Sometimes it works, most of the time not. LOL

    • 13kvFINS says:

      😁 BB , Knight & all golf enthusiast !!!

      Knight Slice…

      When I first started playing, I had to aim at 9 or 10 to end up at 2,
      gradually got that aim at 9/10 to endup at 12,
      eventually learned to hit it straight,
      then figured out how to draw the ball accurately for a ton of yardage compared to when I started (obviously)…

      Last I played this year after a year plus layoff, I couldn’t draw the ball for the life of me, so ended up on the right side fringe (if not the ruff) on intended draws that went straight, hit an 86 which I was fine with after a short layoff, (other than losing my draw that took 15+ Freaking’Years to figure out) !!!

      Ended up resorting to my trusty fade 11 to NOONan 😜

      • 13kvFINS says:

        My swing is ugly due to structural issues, back, hips, knees, shoulders, I’m lucky to get three quarter back swing if that, but learned how to make it work for a weekend hacker, always been a pretty good athlete with an athletes mentality, so I’m very competitive against myself!!!

        You see me swing on the first tee box and you’ll think ohh boyyy gonna be a long day, then by the end of the day, the other weekend hackers are scratching their heads, LOL…

        I never go to the range, and I never take mulligans, so it takes a minute to find my groove, sometimes I don’t, but I go Full Bore beginning to end while partying along the way!!! LOVE GOLF/SPORTS!!!

      • Tim Knight says:

        The last time I played a few years back I was horrible. Was slicing once again all day. Got to a dog leg right par 4 with a 100 foot or higher rock ledge/wall straight ahead about 200 yards. My slice was perfect for this hole. So what happens, I nail the drive perfectly straight and hit the wall dropping it into some serious rough that I had to take a drop to get out of. My friends were dying laughing saying dude, you were slicing all day and this was perfect for you and now you hit it perfectly straight. LOL

      • 13kvFINS says:

        LMAO Knight, Yea that’s golf!!!

        Ever notice during a day that you’re thinkin I’m done with golf after today

        Then the golf gods grant you a great final hole,
        To keep you coming back 😏

      • BailBondMike says:

        Tim, Yep, that’s golf. LMAO!

      • 13kvFINS says:

        “”””I only play golf now days to keep up my stress level when I’m not working. “”””L

        Too Funny BB, Yea we’d have fun,
        and always looking for a fair/honest BB 😜

  5. Tim Knight says:

    I stopped playing consistently back in the early 2000’s because it was getting too expensive too play so much and had other things to deal with. But I really enjoyed playing with friends, having some beers and laughs. I got pretty good meaning I could make any shot at times, just couldn’t string them all together for the day. I’d have some great wood and iron drives, wedges and putts, but would always have a few holes I would totally mess up. So my best scores were always in the high 90’s.

    I was not a fan of people who played safe and straight hitting ground ball base hits so their score would be good. I could drive the ball close to 300 yards in the air but get beat by people who would hit it maybe 175 and the rest on the ground. That was not golf to me. My fun was going for it on a nice day out with friends. I wasn’t going to be pro so who cares. LOL

    • 13kvFINS says:

      DAMNNN… You a big boy Knight???

      I can hit it 300 on a down hill parking lot with the wind at my back, and a good bounce or two, LOL !!!

      Though I can’t hit it excessively far, I do play very aggressively!!!

      Use to hit a low screaming baby fade for 200 with a 50 plus yard roll…
      Still can in the right circumstance…

      With draw probably carry it 220 on average with no roll…
      Folks wonder how I get it that far with half to three quarter back swing,
      most out distance me, but I’m usually more consistent overall (amongst weekenders)…

      • Tim Knight says:

        Nope I’m 5-9 and at the time was probably 165-170 but in good shape. I was very active athletically. I could always hit a baseball or softball a long way even as a smaller kid. Had a good arm too. Golf was no different. But as you know golf isn’t all about power.

        I would crush balls over those 250 markers at driving ranges. Even one time a golf instructor was teaching a guy and saw some of my drives saying that’s some drive you have there, you a serious golfer, and I said nah just enjoy crushing the ball. LOL

      • 13kvFINS says:

        Me too as far as baseball goes though my glove & speed was my greatest asset, lead-off batter, could place the ball pretty good for the BayHee, and was always strong, but not an in game power hitter, (could fence’Em in BP), but not my job at lead-off..

        Same 5-9, 185 of muscle in prime (Popeye forearms/calves). 200 now…

        In my youth I was very small, didn’t break 5foot or 100 pounds till my first year in CA at 16 (HS JR) when I grew 10 inches and gained 80 plus pounds.. But even before growing most of my peers couldn’t beat me armwrestling…

        Only laugh like Popeye now, not enough spinach or exercise & too many injuries at full speed to maintain strength as youngster till 45 or so…

        Before leaving CA and coming back to FL 20 years ago..
        I was playing men’s Senior league baseball twice a week in two different league’s for ten years (each team had at least one retired MLB’er),

        And was playing golf twice a week as well as tennis twice a week…

        Had great connections in Cali!!
        Came back to FL at 40,
        and work is my only exercise,
        health started kickin my ass a couple of years later
        right after giving up 25 years of health insurance
        and starting my own little business of the last 20 or so years…

        That’s Golf, & Life for that matter !!! 😝

      • 13kvFINS says:

        Still got my calves, but arms have shrivelled up and become wrinkled cuz they were once sledgehammers,
        and no longer get the 6 day a week sports workout!!!

      • 13kvFINS says:

        On one of my men’s baseball teams that had retired MLB’ers on it, Mark Eichorn an ex-Orioles pitcher was the SS on my team for a few years… MLB’ers weren’t allowed to play their professional position!!!

        I’ve been an O’s fan since I was four years old,
        So that was pretty cool!!!

        I always had a great glove,
        But he and I would warm up together,
        And he’d toss me some MLB craziness,
        And it was all I could do to endup with it in the my mit!!!

        And he wasn’t even trying for the K!!!
        How anybody ever hit that shit is beyond me!!!

  6. Mike E. says:

    I suck at golf and therefore don’t play. THE END. lol

  7. Tim Knight says:

    13kv, my best drive in a round was about 330, 275+ in the air with a 50 roll to the edge of the green on a par 4. That hole just happened to lend itself to that shot, fast fairway. I hit it good and straight and it bounced and rolled quite a bit. When I finally got to my ball I signaled to my friends here I am. They were like WTF?!!! Parred it because of one bad putt.

    That’s what I meant by could make any shot but not string them together. LOL

    Not trying to toot my own horn here, just telling it like it was. But then again my best score ever was only a 92 because of the mishaps along the way. The hardest game I ever played.

    • 13kvFINS says:

      “”””Here I am”””” Too Funny, I can envision the look on both you and your friends faces, GOODSTUFFF!!!

      • Tim Knight says:

        I struggled to break 100 for a while, finally got into the 90s but could never get into the 80’s. All I wanted was an 89 once. LOL

    • 13kvFINS says:

      I feel’Ya, took quite awhile for me to break 90,
      And quite awhile longer to break 80 for the first time,
      Then back and forth from mid 80’s to mid 90’s before breaking 90 consistently, and averaging low to mid 80’s
      With the occasional 70 something that comes to far and between!!!

      • Tim Knight says:

        Good stuff, your 7:57 post as well. I stopped playing before I ever broke 90. A good friend of mine who was good at golf and took a part-time job at a course with free tee times back in the day, recently told me, dude you should have never given up on golf, you were good. He saw that even though my scores weren’t, but because I could make any shot sometimes. 😉

        I said bro, it got expensive, life you know. He said I hear ya brother. Our wonderful tales of yesteryear. LOL

      • 13kvFINS says:

        Yea Bro, funn to reminice about the good Ole dayzzzz

        Opps, sorry nodded off while posting those last 3 letters,

        Thanks for the conversation, and making want to hit the links soon, 12 bucks for 18 after 3 till dark should just about be here!!!

  8. mf13ss says:

    I’m like the rest of y’all (except for probably ORob) when it comes to golf… I run hot and cold every time I go out. I can land on the green in two strokes from 500 yards out, but I then end up putting my way to a quadruple bogey or worse. It can take me 4 strokes to land on the green from 300 yards out, but then I can 1-putt it in for bogey. Common theme: bogey.

    And if there’s a water hazard before me? I GUARANTEE my ball is going in the drink… EVERYTIME. SMH, it gets into my head WAY too much.

    I’m consistently inconsistent and it’s MADDENING! I’m good enough to get dangerously lucky, yet bad enough to remove all doubts about my game, LOL 😀

    But at the end of the day, it’s always a good time! 🙂

    • Tim Knight says:

      You sound just like me. I was always the front runner on the drive or even the 2nd fairway drives. Then came the short game. What should have been a birdie or a par on a 5 would end up an 8 or worse. LOL

      • Tim Knight says:

        I would go to the driving range and practice wedge shots at 100 yards. I’d hit 10 out of 20 high moon shots with little roll all around the pin with a few others being okay. Get on the course the next day and start hitting line drives off the edge of the wedge or slicing once again. Hardest game I ever played. LOL

        Would be on my 7th shot on a par 4 and make an amazing 15-20 foot putt reading the flow of the green. I think beer and weed might have messed with my consistency. Just saying! LOL

      • mf13ss says:

        I hear ya, Bro!!! And YES… most difficult game I ever played as well. To be REALLY good at it, you’ve got to have muscle memory by playing often… I don’t have the time nor desire to be that good.

        It’s just a good time to get out there with some friends and be good enough to not be embarrassing. 🙂

  9. Tim Knight says:

    M13, yep on your 8:20 post.

    The muscle memory part is key and that’s what got expensive for me. $30-60 per round a week wasn’t working for me. Then the gear etc. Lots of fun but not a priority.

    • mf13ss says:

      100% agreed.

      • mf13ss says:

        I’d rather spend THAT kind of $$$ ($30-$60/week) on more important things… investments, 401K, studio gear, etc… golf is a fun thing to do, but it’s NOT an investment to ME.

        To each their own, and it’s ALL good.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Yep! If golf is your destiny or pleasure away from work, cool! To be really good takes up your life. If you know your game will never really matter to anyone else but you, that’s your situation. LOL

  10. mf13ss says:

    I think I may have shared this one before, not sure… just a funny golf story…

    Several years ago, I went to a new (new to me) golf course with 3 of my colleagues from work… it was VERY narrow on the front 9, with houses built ENTIRELY too close to the course.

    Welp, I dug into my drive like Jose Canseco… and it sliced like a MOFO… and I knew it as soon as I hit it. While the ball was in mid-air, I see this big fucker (about 6’5″, 250) just coming out of the front door of his house… and my drive was headed RIGHT at him… and I hadn’t yelled “FORE!!!”.

    My ball narrowly misses him, hitting the siding of his house and just below a window, and he yells something at me. My dudes are ROLLING with laughter, saying “OH SHIT!!! What are ya going to do now?!! Don’t go over there!!! Just hit another ball and forget it happened!!!”.

    *in my Commander McBragg voice*: Taking destiny into mine own hands, I quickly thought of a plan that could be sustainable for both my physical well-being, and also to this brute’s immediate satisfaction. Thus, I approached the Giant of Man with driver in hand, and shook it about like a madman. “WHERE IS MY BALL?!!”, I did ROAR. The Giant of Man, clearly feeling the wrath of a far smaller madman with club in hand, replied, weak of voice, and with back turned, “I don’t know”.

    We still laugh about that to this day. The funniest thing is that I truly felt (and still DO!) SO BADLY that I had hit the guy’s house to begin with (I had my hands over my head — CRINGING — as impact was imminent)… but then I came out as the “BAD AZZ” to keep from getting pummeled!

    Long story short: I HATE it when I slice a drive!!! LOL
    Long story short II: Why on EARTH would anyone build houses so very close to a fairway to begin with? NO WAY was I the first to have hit a house on that course, guaranteed… I’m sure (hope!) they carried insurance for such matters.

    Just a funny golfing story of mine to share… and yes, I still feel a little guilty about it.

    • Tim Knight says:

      LOL on all! I went to a driving range once off a highway and I was slicing and pulling the ball off the protective nets lol. Well sometimes over. WTF!? Oncoming vehicles and a driving range on the side of the highway? That’s just silly!

      • mf13ss says:

        SAME!!! First time I ever hit a golf ball (other than putt-putt) was on a driving range just off a major highway with protective nets (range shots were parallel to the highway) … WHY?!! LOL

        And sho’ nuff, there’d be those who accidentally (and some INTENTIONALLY, SMH @ them) hit it over the nets.

        I get the idea that NJ isn’t so different from PA (but I know that for a fact, as well)! LOL 🙂

  11. mf13ss says:

    I LOVE THIS… it needs to be my new frontier as I grow older as a producer/musician…

    • mf13ss says:

      On THIS…

      Liam Nesson, Ewan McGregor, and the incredible RAY PARK? All in one? John Williams’ music? HELL YEAH!!! INCREDIBLE!!!

  12. ocalarob says:

    I looked up 40 times for Drake Wilson and Grant, Tim’s right Grant is the fastest with 4.38 wilson 4.43 and Drake 4.45

  13. ocalarob says:

    when playing golf your hips are crucial in the direction and shape you want the shot, your arms and shoulders swing down the path your hips provide.
    If you want to hit a draw when at the top of your swing move your hips forward to get on your left side but don’t open your hips, keep your right hip behind your left hip in relation to the target line and you will have an in to out path required for hitting a draw.
    most beginners open their hips and the club path goes outside the line causing a glancing blow and a weak fade.

  14. ocalarob says:

    one of my swing thoughts when i take the club back is to keep my hips locked at address until the grip gets past my right thigh, i move my torso shoulders first then when i get my hands past my right thigh i start my hips and arms and swing away, this causes the club face to stay down the line longer for better accuracy.

    when you move your hips along with everything else on the take away the club head comes inside right away and this causes inconsistencies.

    moving your torso and shoulders without moving your hips feels very odd, not being aware of this and being odd is why people don’t do it but when you get the muscle memory you’re on your way to playing consistent better golf.

    • ocalarob says:

      on the way down i keep my wrists hinged until they reach my right thigh, this gives me lag and a great finish

  15. Rockphin says:

    Damn, back to golf digest…..

  16. ocalarob says:

    Rock, i sure hope you show up at the fest this year WTF happened last year?

  17. ocalarob says:

    another key for me is to stay balanced in my back swing, if you can’t feel the weight of the clubhead tugging away at you on the down swing with centrifugal force then you are not staying balanced.

    • ocalarob says:

      i also keep my hands close to my body at address, when your hands get away from your body you have a tendency to lose your spine angle at impact and come up out of the shot,

      on the down swing you have to compensate for your hands being away from your body, the right cheek of your bottom goes in and to hit the ball you have to straighten out your spine.

  18. ocalarob says:

    after all that i may top the ball or hit it fat but i make in round adjustments and it’s usually just my angle of attack and my set up, i will move the ball around in my stance up or back and may get steeper or shallower on my take away to correct the mis-hits

  19. Rockphin says:

    ocalarob says:
    June 11, 2018 at 8:47 am
    Rock, i sure hope you show up at the fest this year WTF happened last year?


    The plan is to attend this year. Unless something DRASTIC comes up I will be there. Last year the Fest date fell on my Brother’s birthday and we had already planned on going to Mexico to an all inclusive resort for his birthday before the Fest date was picked.

  20. ocalarob says:

    a lot of offensive speed!

    Grant 4.38
    Stills 4.38
    Wilson 4.43
    Parker 4.45
    Drake 4.45

  21. Rockphin says:

    I gave up on correcting the hook in my swing way before I finally gave up on the game. I would just adjust my aim to compensate for the hook. “what are you doing man? You are aiming way to the right of the hole!” Nah, I’m lined up just right, watch.

  22. Rockphin says:

    Dog leg left? Perfect! Hit it straight!

  23. Rockphin says:

    Ocalarob, yeah, but I don’t have a problem with a hook when scuba diving soooo……

    I just through out my clubs last year. I didn’t even donate them or anything. They weren’t an expensive set to begin with and the grips had all gotten shitty /gummy from the heat in the storage unit. They went in the dumpster. I am MUCH happier in my life without clubs… LOL

  24. Rockphin says:

    Ken says:
    June 11, 2018 at 9:31 am
    Meh. Depends on the sibling

    I concur. I spent 6 days with him last year. (3 days too many LOL)

  25. Tim Knight says:

    Final OTAs before TC starts today through the 14th.

  26. D says:

    They key to keeping balance on the down swing is to control the acceleration of your downswing. Rob pointed out you kind of need to feel the weight of the swing in the club head with your arms feeling like nothing but a pendulum. If you are feeling the muscles in your arm tighten, you are going to hook or slice. Once you get a good feel of how its supposed to feel with a good swing it is a lot better to get that motion committed to muscle memory. I use to play a good bit when i was young, living in Panama City. I use to play on the Hombre Golf course, which was where they would have the Ben Hogan Classic. Its a nice course and decently challenging. I haven’t played in probably 15-20 years though.

    • D says:

      Oh and there are some really nice Dive sites over near there too Rock. There is a really awesome dive off of Pensacola, the USS Oriskany which is the largest man made reef in the world, but you have to be advanced open water certified to dive it.

  27. 13kvFINS says:

    Our week one opponent, hope we’re ready for a game of Nerf Tag….

    Yea, that’s the ticket, “””lay under a teammates car and wait to pounce”””

    Perhaps doze off, and get tagged/bonded by steal belted radials,
    “””bam, got your soul””

  28. stangerx says:

    ocalarob says:
    a lot of offensive speed!

    Grant 4.38
    Stills 4.38
    Wilson 4.43
    Parker 4.45
    Drake 4.45
    And Gesecki is 6’6″ 250 at a real slow 4.54. Five of the six setting up for a play would put a whole lot of burn factor on the field plus two height mismatches.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Grant ran a 4.34 at his pro day but some scouts timed him at 4.1 something with the hand held.

      • stangerx says:

        Think Grant is the fastest of all of them, least on the field. But what does it really matter? We might not be the best team in the NFL, but if we don’t have a good number of breakaway TDs next year will be real mad.

      • Tim Knight says:


  29. Rockphin says:

    Yeah, we have a bunch of burners.

    Ask the ghost of Al Davis how that worked out for HIM.

  30. Randy says:

    There is speed and then there is playing speed. Speed doesn’t mean much if you can’t get off the line clean or get separation. Combine that with an old line that can’t hold their blocks and the speed is useless.

  31. Rockphin says:

    stangerx says:
    June 11, 2018 at 2:13 pm
    Rock — time to change your avi.

    Says the blank white Avi guy…….

    • stangerx says:

      Blank white fits where I stand well…. that and was doing serious convos on my e-mail account and there was Kris Allen. Wasn’t cool. Tell me how to change and he is back.

  32. Mike E. says:

    Yeah Randy, what old line? Tunsil is 23, Sitton is 31, Kilgore is 30, Davis is 26 and James is 26

  33. Rockphin says:

    My I phone changed O line to I line 4 times and old line once While I was trying to reply above

  34. Rockphin says:

    steveccnv says:
    June 11, 2018 at 2:08 pm
    Well they won 3 SBs

    ZERO while he had the obsession with drafting the fastest guy regardless of position

  35. Rockphin says:

    DAVIE — Dolphins quarterback Ryan Tannehill always likes to organize some off-site throwing sessions in the offseason, and those workouts have been particularly important this year.

    POPPYCOCK! Landry says the QB’s down here don’t like dong that and he never did with them…….

  36. Randy says:

    if speed kills then why isn’t every fast player in the HOF? There are a lot of factors that go into producing on the field. You guys are getting way ahead of yourselves with this stuff. We still don’t even know how Gase is going to run his offense yet. Lots of guys are fast but none of the players you guys keep talking about have proven much of anything on the field.
    Besides, you don’t have 3-4 players running speed patterns on most plays. Route running and catching ability are much more crucial factors on a receiver’s success.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Randy, they have all proven their speed on the field. Now you’re downplaying the speed we have. Do you like anything about this team? LOL

    • stangerx says:

      We’ll see what happens, but I am at least happy that the speed is there. And not sure how could not be. And if you look at how they signed and drafted at the skill positions (even on D)…..lot of fast 40 times, even seems at the expense of size. Not sure if they will be good, but do think they will be fast.

  37. Mike E. says:

    Fuck Landry – He’s gone, he got paid, now he should STFU and play ball for the Browns

  38. Randy says:

    and I meant O line. geez. lol

  39. ocalarob says:

    Rockphin says:
    June 11, 2018 at 10:15 am
    Ocalarob, yeah, but I don’t have a problem with a hook when scuba diving soooo……

    We should go to Seal Island and scuba dive, speaking of hooks i’ll hand you a big one so you can hold on to it while i pull you with the boat looking for lobsters.

    It’ll be fun

    Trust me.

  40. ocalarob says:

    There’s speed and then there’s quickness, sometimes it’s better to be quick then have top end speed.

  41. Randy says:

    Now you’re over selling the production of these guys. For example: Wilson has never caught more than 50 balls in a season. That would suggest his speed was either not all that helpful or not utilized. Is there anything about this team you don’t absolutely love…. for like the past 30 years! lol

    • ocalarob says:

      the reason Wilson’s stats are limited is due to the talent at the skilled positions the chiefs had. not enough balls to go around.

    • Tim Knight says:

      What does the amount of catches have to do with showing the speed in games? We weren’t talking about catch totals.

      Plenty I haven’t loved about this team when they aren’t winning. LOL

    • steveccnv says:

      Im ok with Wilson catching 50 or so balls, and Parker, Stills, Grant, Amendola, Gesicki, and Drake doing the same, at about 13 yards a catch, that’s 4550, with some other guys getting some too.

      Sure that aren’t all going to catch exactly 50, but on average for those 7. We don’t want anyone except Parker catching many more.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I’d prefer to see more of a split like that than one guy catching double the amount of the rest of them unless it’s someone like Jerry Rice but we don’t have a Jerry Rice.

        If we have some guys in the 40’s, a couple in the 50’s and maybe a 60 and a 70 that would be ideal. Gase prefers that too saying he doesn’t really believe in a #1 WR, he wants guys to get open and catch it when they get it thrown to them.

  42. steveccnv says:

    Someone’s gotta keep the homerism in check I guess Tim.

    • steveccnv says:

      It won’t be me this year. Last year I said we were done after RT went down, praised the offseason moves before then though. This year has a different feel, because of the depth, if some guys don’t work out we’ll still be ok.

  43. Randy says:

    its about production not just a physical talent. there are numerous ways of defending a fast player. my point was: just because a dude is fast doesn’t mean he’ll produce on the field. I’d rather have a great route runner with great hands. those are the guys who consistently make plays.

    • steveccnv says:

      That should go without saying, but no one said these guys are just fast. Which one of our speedster is just fast?

  44. mf13ss says:

    ocalarob says:
    June 11, 2018 at 3:15 pm
    Rockphin says:
    June 11, 2018 at 10:15 am
    Ocalarob, yeah, but I don’t have a problem with a hook when scuba diving soooo……

    We should go to Seal Island and scuba dive, speaking of hooks i’ll hand you a big one so you can hold on to it while i pull you with the boat looking for lobsters.

    It’ll be fun

    Trust me.
    Seal Island is an eating paradise, Rockphin! Water-skiing, surfing, and boogie-boarding! Residents of Seal Island make it their mission to serve man! So what do ya say, ‘chum’? Get your feet wet at Seal Island! It’s GREAT! WHITE sands galore! The locals will be JUMPING for joy! Don’t be shy, just give it try!


  45. ocalarob says:

    A lot of things go into production, just being a great route runner isn’t the answer, i would assume a great route runner has quickness and that’s what makes him a great route runner but then there’s football philosophy, are we running the ball or are we a passing offense. are we un-balanced/ predictable?
    If they know you have to pass it doesn’t matter how good a route runner is.

    But that’s a whole other subject that we might have gone over though i’m not sure?

  46. mf13ss says:

    LOL @ ORob!!!

    You and I have been talking or referring to Seal Island for the better part of a decade! 😀

  47. mf13ss says:

    And ORob…

    Thanks for some of the golf tips you gave earlier. Rain has postponed my golf outing today, but I’ll certainly put them to use.

  48. Tim Knight says:

    Steve, the best 49ers team didn’t even have Jerry Rice on it, the 1984 team that beat us in the SB. That team was so talented everywhere and very balanced on offense.

    • steveccnv says:

      My point was Jerry Rice didn’t need a running game to be successful, what’s yours?

      • Tim Knight says:

        I’m not debating you, just adding to the convo. For me balance is the key, the run and pass complement each other. That’s what I want us to become.

      • ocalarob says:

        you commented on my balanced offense theory asking if Jerry rice needed a running game, now you’re stating that he didn’t? how would you know this being with san fran he always did have a running game, when he went to the raiders i don’t recall him being as effective.

      • steveccnv says:

        Ok, I thought I missed something.

  49. Tim Knight says:

    Bill Walsh’s philosophy was rush for 150 and throw for 250. Do that and you’ll win a lot of games. It didn’t hurt that his defenses were loaded too.

    • ocalarob says:

      That’s a recipe for success!

    • mf13ss says:

      Mmmmm… balance, you seek. WISE, this is. When shutdown ONE facet is, another can flourish. BALANCE… key it is.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I want our offense to be able to play anyway they have to win the game. If that means one week we run it 40 for 200 and pass only 25 times for say 190 so be it. The next week maybe we rush 25 for 100 and pass 37 for 280, again so be it.

  50. Tim Knight says:

    ORob, the 1984 49ers team rush 534/pass 496. I’ve been wanting that type of split for a long time with this team. We were kind of doing that in 2016. I’ll take rush 450/pass 520 this year. Though I’ll never be against running it more if we’re productive.

    • ocalarob says:

      I’d rather that stat be opposite, we’ll see, i must admit that gase has me think’n he’s a gun slinger

      • Tim Knight says:

        Most teams pass more than run these days. I don’t care what the exact split is as long as we can be affective both run and pass when we need to.

  51. Randy says:

    blah blah blah. until this franchise proves it on the field year after year I’m not eating the cheese!

    • Tim Knight says:

      I’m not sure who would disagree with that. Nobody is saying that our speed means we’ll be 12-4.

    • mf13ss says:

      Moldy, is the cheese. Eat from it, we should not. Unless it’s an infection that you have, only then eating mold-penicillin should you eat. Shaped like footballs, they are.

  52. ocalarob says:

    Gase is 16-16 over two years with an injured starting QB and a lot of dis-functional players inherited.

    I like the moves made this year, he’s developing this team into his own team, That said I’m nibbling on the cheese a little.

    • stangerx says:

      He wasn’t exactly pissed, but man did he not like it when Ajayi burst those games and he went with same after. And yeah know who I am talking too. 🙂

      We might run a whole lot in some games, but think what Gase always wanted was an O that was multi-dimensional….one where he can move all the pieces around to match up with what the other team is doing.

      • Tim Knight says:

        See my 4:26 post.

        It’s not just what the other team is doing, but how we feel is the best way to beat them in a matchup game.

  53. ocalarob says:

    Tim I hate to refer to this stat again however any time we rushed under 20 times the last 2 years we are 0-16, that said a minimum of 400 rushes thru out the year is a must, that is an avg of 25 rushes per game

    • steveccnv says:

      Except it doesn’t/didnt work that way. The number of rushes were more related to being ahead or behind, then once we got the lead we’d run.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I agree with you about this. I’ve pointed out the stats during Tannehill’s career when we pass say 38 or more times we usually lost. He’s a better QB with a balanced offense. That’s when he can utilize his mobility with waggles, roll-outs and bootlegs as opposed to being strictly in a shotgun pocket all day as a sitting duck. If you have a mobile QB who excels throwing on the move, use it! That makes defenses have to cover more ground and that can wear them down just like a running game, as opposed to just pinning their ears back and straight lining to a point.

  54. ocalarob says:

    we only rushed 360 times last year

    • ocalarob says:

      our opponents rushed 431 times, a disaster

      • Tim Knight says:

        That was also because no matter what we did we couldn’t score. We had too many games where we had 0 or 3 points at the half. Opponents were never in panic mode and just ran their offense knowing we struggled to score.

        It’s not as simple as just run this many times and we’re good. If that was the case every team would do it. But I agree you can’t completely abandon the run even if it’s not working so well because then it’s a constant blitz the QB situation.

        We have to be good at both run and pass and keep it balanced as possible. But we have to make some big plays too. Hard to win plodding along with 13 points or less heading into the 4th quarter.

    • steveccnv says:

      Throw last year out it means nothing to this team. The QB situation and the OL were a mess. At this point we dont have that problem, no reason to bring it up, unless you’re agenda-ising.

  55. D says:

    Cowboys signed RG Zack Martin to a six-year extension through 2024.
    Per’s Ian Rapoport, the deal will make Martin the “highest-paid guard with the largest guarantee at his position in NFL history.” The distinction briefly belonged to Andrew Norwell, whose five-year, $66.5 million deal included $30 million guaranteed. By many measures, 27-year-old Martin is the best interior lineman in the league. He has also never missed a start since being selected with the No. 16 overall pick of the 2014 draft.

    Dallas is going to have an OL that averages over 10 mil per at 4 of the 5 positions on the OL. With Dak and Zeke coming up for contract soon, they are going to have a hard time keeping that team together.

    • Tim Knight says:

      They will also have to deal with Demarcus Lawrence again at some point too, he was franchised this year.

  56. pheloniusphish says:

    If you can’t eat the cheese, why be a fan?

  57. Tim Knight says:

    Anyone else think Vincent Taylor looks a lot heavier than the 296 he’s listed at? That was like Odrick’s weight.

  58. D says:

    Tim Knight says:
    June 11, 2018 at 6:14 pm

    Sports are supposed to be fun. 🙂
    I dunno, sports are really competitive so its only natural that the fans bitch if there team isn’t. The big deal is to be able to put it in perspective when it starts to really interfere with things and thats both if you become too involved in it and are neglecting other parts of your life and when you are so angry at it that watching it almost has not joy any longer. I dont think you can take the pissing and moaning about your team out of sports, but you can balance it out with whats really important.

  59. mf13ss says:

  60. Randy says:

    I am a fan. There are lots of ways to enjoy it and be a fan. You guys assuming I don’t because I look at things logically instead of like a fanboy is what you bitch about. Lol. I’m not telling you how to be a fan. I’m just commenting on the team. If you feel differently, great for you! It doesn’t mean you enjoy it more or less than I do….assuming that’s all on you. It’s not “whining” or “bitching”. It’s critical thinking. Lol

  61. Randy says:

    I do try to look at things objectively, but I still let my homerism creep in. It’s the nature of liking a team. But, I am just a football or sports fan foremost. I grew up in Iowa without any professional teams to root for, so I grew up following sports without any real allegiances to any particular team. I had my favorites. The Dolphins became “my team” in 1982, but I still am more of just a sports fan, at heart. I still get excited for the season to start and have hope for the team but I still see things the way I see them. It doesn’t mean I’m right….but I’m not whining. Lol

  62. ocalarob says:

    It’s critiquing and at 6-10 this team needs critiquing, I just think the whole sale changes made to the offensive line WRs Defense and the fact that Gase was part of a winning organization in Denver has me nibbling at the cheese and i probably do this every year. we have to give Gase a chance, as far as Last years concerned i’m not “forgetting” about it, it’s in the books and on his resume.

    • Tim Knight says:

      What’s the worst that happens, you say I’m done with this cheese, throw it away. Like we’ve never been through that before. LOL

      Root and hope for the best. 🙂

  63. ocalarob says:

    steveccnv says:
    June 11, 2018 at 4:39 pm
    Except it doesn’t/didnt work that way. The number of rushes were more related to being ahead or behind, then once we got the lead we’d run.

    It’s not about just running the football, it’s about effectively running the football, then you control the game and you don’t get behind.

    • steveccnv says:

      This isn’t the 70s, the game is geared toward passing, sure you have to run, but you pass to score, it’s that way for 80% of the teams.

  64. CavalierKong says:

    Hello. My name is CavalierKong.
    I eat the cheese.
    I can’t help myself.

    Every year, I say “Now Kong, don’t eat the cheese.”
    Every year, I eat the cheese.
    Every year I spend Sep. thru Dec. with some rank-ass, nasty, bullshyte cheese forcing its way out of both ends.

    This year will be different.
    This year I will eat the cheese.
    This year September will roll around and I will discover I am eating Caciocavallo Podolico at $45 per lb.

    Something just feels different about this year.

  65. Randy says:

    You guys say something feels different almost every year! It’s the hope, man. It springs eternal…or every Spring. Lol

    • CavalierKong says:

      Yep! 🙂

      It’s funny because for the past few years I start the offseason pessimistic, and every year, somewhere along the way, the Dolphins colored glasses come on and my whole outlook changes.

      I just roll with it and enjoy it until the season starts and reality sets in, lol.

      • 13kvFINS says:

        I take what I can get and appreciate every positive moment to the Ultra-Nazca!!!

        The off-season is tooooo F’ing long (9 months/minus playoffs) to not Enjoy every possible Enjoyable instance during any and all seasons of the professional team from my home town in THE MIAMI DOLPHINS!!!

        GOOAAAHHHH MF’ing FINS!!!!

  66. 13kvFINS says:


    “”””That was also because no matter what we did we couldn’t score. We had too many games where we had 0 or 3 points at the half. Opponents were never in panic mode and just ran their offense knowing we struggled to score.””””

    Not to mention that in pretty much every game we trailed by 14 or more half way into the 1St quarter (give or take however many minutes/quarter), and in most cases remained 14 or more down throughout games!!!

    Beginning to end,

    How the heck you gonna establish what you would really like to do ,(run/pass)??

    Cept for that two week dominance of Bronco’s & Pats!!!


    • 13kvFINS says:

      So Yea, our opponents could afford to do whatever they wanted to-do,
      Run/pass, be extra aggressive or conservative with no concern whatsoever about a mistake putting them behind!!!

    • ocalarob says:

      we were 4-3 after 7 games, then went 2-7 the rest of the way, because we couldn’t run the ball effectively the last nine games, and oh BTW the 2 games we won in that 9 game stretch… we rushed over 25 times

      • Tim Knight says:

        Not true, Drake was more effective than Ajayi was down the stretch once he was the guy. We were a broken team.

      • 13kvFINS says:

        “””More effective than Ajayi”””

        Didn’t he lead the entire league over the last five games,
        Or whatever it was??

      • 13kvFINS says:

        For me Ajayi had 3 EXTRORDINARY games in his Miami career, and averaged fewer than 50 yards per (for the most part)…

        Kalen (Ajayi Who) Ballage, someday soon!!!


      • ocalarob says:

        Drake couldn’t pick up the tough yards and left us in long down and distance, saying he led the league in yards is mis leading, the other RBs he was competing with didn’t play the last games due to getting ready for the playoffs.
        Drake is a 3rd down back and should be in there on passing downs
        reminds me of Tayvon Austin

  67. ocalarob says:

    steveccnv says:
    June 11, 2018 at 9:13 pm
    This isn’t the 70s, the game is geared toward passing, sure you have to run, but you pass to score, it’s that way for 80% of the teams.

    these are the top 4 teams in the championship games, they average 30.5 runs per game, we rushed the ball 360 times!

    Eagles ………..473.. runs
    minnesota ….501…runs
    Jacksonville .. 527 runs
    New England..448 ..runs

    • 13kvFINS says:

      We couldn’t afford to run, we were always two plus scores down (for the most part)!!!

    • steveccnv says:

      The only real running team in there was Jax, and they ran because Bottles sucks, their D is also top notch. The other 3 were passing teams.

      You cant just pull a stat out and mold it to your POV and expect that to be word. Break the rushing attempts down and you’ll see these 3 didn’t run to score or keep drives alive.

      You also don’t mention how many more offensive plays these teams ran than us, or the fact that they ran at the end of games with a lead.

      If you want to be taken serious break the stats down, dont just throw some numbers out there.

      Ajayi was special for 3 games in 2016, pretty good in some others, and very average the rest of the games, but I’m with you in that he was able to get the boxed stacked, which helped the passing game.

      In 2017 he was not good, much worse than Drake, but the bottom line is both were able to have their success when the OL was At least average. I think the OL Drake had the last 5 games was worse than what Ajayi had for most of 2016.

      We all know the importance of a balanced attack, that’s why we’re excited to see our 3 headed monster, but let’s not put the cart before the horse.

  68. pheloniusphish says:

    Hard to believe there’s a RB debate going on here.

  69. ocalarob says:

    you should try a positive post, something that requires thought instead of these lame trollish responses
    pheloniusphish says:
    June 11, 2018 at 5:58 pm
    If you can’t eat the cheese, why be a fan?

    pheloniusphish says:
    June 12, 2018 at 6:44 am
    Hard to believe there’s a RB debate going on here.

  70. ocalarob says:

    In the last 3 games that we lost Drake ran for an avg of 69 yards, somehow i’m not impressed

    • steveccnv says:

      Since you’re cherry picking his 3 worst games of the final 5, what were Ajayi’s best 3 in a row not counting his 200 yard games, I’m sure much worse.

  71. Mike E. says:


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