At the moment of this writing, the Dolphins have 6 tight ends on the roster, but realistically, at most we will carry 4, and even more likely 3. The two guaranteed to stick are the most recent draftees, 2nd RD pick Mike Gesicki and 4th RD pick Durham Smythe. After Gesicki and Smythe, the coaches seem to really like A.J. Derby who was picked up last season after DEN waived him. There is also 5 YR veteran MarQueis Gray, and recent pickup Gavin Escobar who played for the Cowboys for 4 seasons. Also still hanging around is Thomas Duarte, Dolphins 2016 7th RD draft pick. We have better depth at TE than any time in recent memory, and this should be a fun battle to see play out because the 3rd and possibly 4th spots should be really competitive.
Mike Gesicki TE – 6’6″ 250
2018 2nd RD pick, Gesicki is the kind of athletic receiving threat many fans have been craving for more than a decade. 4.54 speed, 41.5″ vertical, 6.76 3 cone, this guy is a fast, agile, explosive athlete. He will be in a tough battle for playing time with his fellow draftee Durham Smythe, because what Gesicki lacks in blocking skills, Smythe has in spades. Gesicki has made it clear he is willing to block and learn how to, and wants to become a more rounded NFL TE.
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Durham Smythe TE – 6’5″ 253
2018 4th RD pick, Smythe was a big part of the success of the run game at Notre Dame. Known for his excellent blocking, toughness and tenacity, he truly helped propel the Irish’s running game. Seldom used as a receiver, just 28 receptions and 244 yards and 6 TD’s in 4 seasons, he definitely has value as a receiver too. Smythe’s blocking skills should enable him playing time as an inline TE and also as a 2nd TE.
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A.J. Derby TE – 6’4″ 255
Derby is a former 6th RD pick of the New England Patriots who was eventually cut by NE and picked up by the Denver Broncos. In 2016 Derby caught 16 passes for 160 yards with the Broncos. Derby played only one season at TE for Arkansas, so he came into the NFL pretty inexperienced. He has good speed, running the 40 in 4.67 at his pro day. In DEN in 2017, Derby caught 19 passes for 228 yards and 2 TD’s. For the Dolphins, Derby appeared in 9 games, catching 2 passes for 20 yards. Not a huge body of work for the soon to be 27 year old TE, either in college or the pros, but the coaches here see potential, although he will have to realize some of that potential in TC and preseason games to stick here.
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MarQeuis Gray TE – 6’4″ 263
Gray has spent the last 2 seasons here in Miami, but has played for Cleveland, Tampa, Buffalo and Minnesota. In 2014, Gray made his NFL tour having a cup of coffee with the Bucs, Vikes and finally settling in with the Bills. The Dolphins picked him up in 2016 and has played appeared in all 32 games, with 7 starts. As a Dolphin, Gray has 15 receptions for 184 yards. Gray has lined up as a 2nd TE and also H-back/FB, and has shown decent blocking ability.
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Gavin Escobar TE – 6’6″ 260
Escobar played 5 seasons for the Cowboys and although he didn’t get a ton of opportunities, he certainly made the most of them. Escobar caught a total of 30 passes for 333 yards and 8 TD’s. Not a blocker, he’s definitely a receiving TE. Escobar has long arms and big hands, and despite the fact he doesn’t have good speed, he has good reliable hands and with 8 TD’s in only 30 receptions, he makes them count. I think Escobar and Derby are will be in a tight competition to claim what may be the last 1 or 2 posts on the roster at TE.
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Thomas Duarte TE – 6’2″ 244
Duarte has spent the last 2 seasons on the PS after being drafted in the 7th RD of the 2016 NFL draft by the Dolphins. Duarte was a WR at UCLA who has bulked up with the hopes of being a move TE in the NFL. Not a blocker, but a smooth, athletic route runner who really came on his senior season at UCLA, catching 53 passes for 872 yards and 10 TD’s. The Dolphins like Duarte, they have kept him around for 2 seasons on the PS, and I think his best bet to remain with the team would most likely be in that capacity again. He will have a hard time beating out veterans Escobar and Derby, but a very strong showing could give him an outside shot.
Finsmob Unleashed 
I definitely think that a fresh Cam Wake makes for a DANGEROUS Cam Wake.
Imagine having to grind against William Hayes as a RT… the dude will just physically wear ya down on rushing downs. Then enter a fresh MR. Wake on passing downs… OH $#!T!!!
This could be a HUGE year for MR. Wake, granted Hayes stays healthy. And… this is an even numbered year for Wake! 😀
It’s scary, Hayes and Branch can do some early bulk down stuff and then release Wake and Quinn on passing downs. That’s a scary dynamic change for tackles.
AMEN!
ocalarob says:
June 13, 2018 at 5:55 pm
I understand mike however a lot of people talk about how good players
Yup, it part of the whole yours vs mine attitude. I am completely guilty of this. I will freely admit it.
But look on the bright side Rob, I consider you mine so you get included in the protected group, at least until your not……. 😉
Maybe Jarvis is just stupid. He’s lied and contradicted himself.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-landry-tannehill-20180613-story.html
Jarvis, who was the QB most games when you went over 1,000 yards TWICE? Is it Ryan’s fault you could rarely beat anyone over the top and made your meal ticket on catching hundreds of passes from him within 5 yards? STFU!!!!
OR was it the COACHES’ FAULT for calling a 5-yard pass pattern???
I COULD TELL YOU to STFU but I’m a veteran. So I won’t tell you to STFU. But I’m reminded by a quote from Jimmy Johnson who, in response to a moronic question, said “Lucky for you it isn’t against the law to be wrong!”
Have a terrific evening!!
No idea what you’re talking about? It’s as if you read nothing I posted. Not much I can do with that.
Have a terrific evening as well.
I like MJD’s take on this… Jarvis should just STFU and stick to becoming a great player for his new team. There’s no need to talk about the Dolphins at this point. SMH
It’s scary, Hayes and Branch can do some early bulk down stuff and then release Wake and Quinn on passing downs. That’s a scary dynamic change for tackles.
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I’m kinda hoping our first round pick steps up into this group at some point….
I’m not forgetting about Harris. He’s still the young buck though. He’s gonna play and I think we may see some more Joker stuff from him that he played some last year. He was lined up standing up to stunt. Similar to what we did with Vernon a few years ago. Follow the ball. If it’s run go get ball, if it’s a pass either spy the QB or stunt to attack him as a delayed rusher.
Just found out am going to the Bears game the week before the Fest. Best man from my wedding is coming down and wants in for the game. Anyone else who is there 10/14 we can hook up.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23773361/oakland-raiders-cut-christian-hackenberg
Pretty incredible that the stej are without both Bryce Petty and Christian Hackenburg… the later of whom was released by the Raiders just yesterday, and cleared waivers today.
Question: with the stej outright cutting Petty before trading Hackenburg… is Hackenburg the better QB? It’s not too late to bring Hackenburg in… and he’s 4 years younger than Petty.
I don’t have an opinion on this, just wondering aloud to myself, sharing it with y’all.
Me too, “”wondering”””
Really 4 years younger??
Probably why he was tradeable/upside…
Gruden did that QBCamp 1 on 1 thing for many years,
Was enamoured with Hackenburg, gave him a shot with Raiders..
Wonder what happened??
The Nyets??
Wonder what Gruden QBCamp thoughts were on Petty??
I can’t imagine why Tannehill didn’t connect on a personal level with Landry…. Landry and his old teammate OBJ are the same type of person. Show boaters, one hand catchers, look at me look at me guy. Tannehill is a humble worker who would rather everyone ran to the line during the 2min drill than pose with the first down sign after a 6 yard completion…..
LMAO!!!
Pri-MADONNA
With his as I always referred to
En-Vogue-Strike-The-Pose CRAP ON EVERY FRICKEN CATCH
Meanwhile we’re in the hurryup!!!
L8’s 14, brown 80,
Stole this from Patrick
Enjoy South Beach on the South side of the Ohio River
But I did love the way he played with tenacity. His energy level was awesome and infectious. That I will miss.
If Quinn can play as he did 4 years ago, he is a definite player. He will also benefit from a rotation. Harris needs to step up to make the DE part of the rotation be really good. I’m concerned that the DT position may struggle if Phillips doesn’t play at his best consistently. We are relying on some pretty young guys in there, in part. Both the second year guys showed that they can play a little bit last year, but now they need to take the next step. It should be fun to see how both our lines develop this year.
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I think our defense has actually shown signs that they are improving over the past couple years. Still way too many big plays given up and not being able to get off the field….but they haven’t been getting much help from the offense either. Defense was the funnest to play, but it was definitely more draining. An offense that can’t convert 3rd downs hurts. Another reason a rotation might be beneficial.
Spence is a solid vet we traded for to add to the group. DT is definitely a position of question without Suh. But the approach of rotation will be different so we’ll see. Godchaux taking the 2nd year step is huge. Same with Taylor but Godchaux played more snaps than Phillips. We’ll see how it pans out. Does someone else step up? Never know until it happens.
Impressive, you can bet that Poling won’t be throwing team mates under the bus!!
Got an int today my highlight of camp
You remember who threw it??
Nope, probably just didn’t see me
Man, I love every guy we drafted this year, a CLASS BUNCH!!!
GOFINS!!!
My sleeper.
I think he makes it on STs then slowly gets in on some LB play.
If not he definitely making the PS. Guy is exactly what you want in a player. He has to work harder than most everyone else and he knows it.
Hoping for both our potential sleepers,
Love the lil-guy “”CNell/BigCountry””/Armstrong too!!!
Tackling Machines are both!!
Expected of an LB,
But Armstorng CB tackling skills,
are like few I’ve ever seen,
Especially for all-guy,
Very Impressive!!!
A LIL-GUY
FU SPELL CHECK!!!
Randy,
I’m with ya on the Defense. IMO, IF Raekwon can man the MIKE (Wu-Tang reference not intended!), we’re going to be very good. If not, it could be more of the same in terms of stopping the run.
I LOVE our DE rotation… I’m just not (yet) sold on our DT rotation. Time shall reveal…
Simple answer, if you’re not good at DT and MLB you won’t be good against the run. LOL
McMillan is key to the defense this year. He was supposed to be last year as a 2nd rd pick winning the MIKE job heading into the PS.
That’s why I say, if you look at our roster, we really haven’t seen this current team play much together. I see potential but it’s never happened before as currently constructed.
Go Phins!!!!!
Tim,
I actually forgot about Spence. You are right! He was a good pick up, I think. Nothing special but a solid veteran. I still worry about the youth in Harris, Godchaux and the other rookie DT last year. They started okay…..take that next step. I want a top 5 defense! Easier to win Championships.
So what you’re saying is you want awesomeness? LOL
The young bucks have to grow. That’s why they were drafted.
Tim,
I don’t think top 5 is awesome, but I do think it means a lot of wins! That’s really all I care about. Lol
This rotation is perfect for Phillips, it allows him to catch his breath on the sidelines instead of on the field. I mean really, we have 5 guys counting Hayes, so that’s 40% of the snaps week 1, then it might increase with some injuries, but still with 1 guy out and 50% of the snaps is still low.
Our biggest weakness over the years on D has been getting a stop on 3rd down once an O has gotten the initial 1st down, so the rotation can give us a 2nd chance to get a 3 and out.
Once the season starts and we get into these rotations it won’t matter who’s starting, but they won’t be set it stone, so you may see DT1 lined up with DT4 one week, then the next week lined up with DT2, so instead of having partners they’ll be intertwined.
YUP! We’re going to dictate our starters/rotation due to game-planning/match-ups… and I LIKE that!!!
Landry is a clown.
That is all.
GO PHINS
Don’t insult Payaso like that, Landry is a JA.
Now making big deal about 14/80 & THill on ESPN!!!
Like someone here similarly suggested,
First off THill is a class guy,
And no reason anyways to wish well to he who’s tossing trash, lookin for headlines…
Course ESPN is goin with/taking the one sided story to heart against 17!!!
GLAD THAT THILL IS ABOVE WASTING A SINGLE SECOND ON THE MATTER!!!
That’s our job, long as punk-folks wanna attempt to diss
Us & Ours!!!
GOFINS!!!
Steve,
They will take the preseason to practice stuff and find out what guys can do what. Who can play the 3 tech? Who can play the 0? Who can occupy multiple guys? Who can win singled up against a guard? Who can play 25 snaps…who can play 35? You can’t really just do a free for all sort of rotation because, depending on how you use them, the two interior DTs can have vastly different duties. Most guys can’t do all of them competently. Then, you do specific opponent adjustments from there.
That’s not what I meant, it was a general kind of statement. They’ll spend the preseason figuring out who can play where and how much, but it won’t stop there, it will continue week to week, and depend on the opponent, how the game is going, and the matchups.
Then idiots like Omar will ask why a certain guy got less snaps one week.
Odrick didn’t start all the time but ended up playing the most snaps on the DL. Starter does not matter. Be productive when you play. That’s the Patriots way! It’s about being accountable. It’s not rocket science. 🙂
Tim,
I couldn’t disagree more. Starting matters….to players. Does it matter much to the final product….maybe not. But, as a player, you want to start.
I disagree, they want to be considered the starter, but what does that really mean? This isn’t the NBA, where the guy that’s on the floor for the opening tipoff is the starter. The guy listed as #1 on the depth chart is really the starter, but Gase will have them buying into what difference does it make who’s the starter. Sure you have contract/money concerns, but production is what matters and overall success of the D.
Not a very flattering photo!
That’s a pose of a guy attempting to catch a pass that’s thrown behind him.
BURN
@ckparrot is SUCH a douche bag. SMH
That’s exactly my point when I said Landry won’t be missed.
To the NJ residents here… there’s a system moving your way, capable of causing tornadoes. Use caution.
This system just missed me, but there are reports of possible tornado TDs here in PA. That won’t be confirmed until tomorrow.
It was just last month that a tornado NARROWLY missed me. It didn’t quite TD, about 1/4 of a mile from my house.
Chris Kouffman
@ckparrot
Dolphins were 9-22 and scored 17.1 points per game when Jarvis Landry was targeted 10+ times. They were 16-3 and scored 27.5 points per game when he was targeted 6 or fewer times. Knows how to flap his gums tho, gotta hand him that.
2:44 PM – Jun 13, 2018
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Guess what, Chris Coughman… Jarvis didn’t call the Offense, he wasn’t a QB who threw the ball to himself, nor was he the GM who’d assembled such a disaster on the O-Line, so as to have to pass it all day.
Such a HATCHET JOB on this stat, SMH. But last year(s), you were LICKING Jarvis’ asshole clean, weren’t ya?
I say SCREW JARVIS, too… but this guy Chris Coughman is playing BOTH sides of the fence. SAD!
I dont agree, Jarvis is just as much to blame for this horrible stat as the QB or Gase, but the guy that assembled the line is more to blame. He’s the guy cutting off the routes, he’s the guy that’s been trusted to get it done, he’s the guy asking for the ball…
But leave it to Chris Coughman to conveniently leave this stat out as Jarvis was hanging in the balance. See what I mean? SMH @ Coughman.
Gotcha
And I thought TDs were good.
LOL, only in the proper context! 🙂
I simply don’t like one who cherry-picks stats to defame/defrock a former player of ours… especially when the same one was previously cherry-picking stats, ROOTING to retain the player.
I’m sorry, but that’s what I call a SELLOUT… a FRAUD.
I see, but I wasn’t commenting on that dude, just the material of his current post. I don’t know him from Adam.
I on the other hand was bitching about Jarvis all year. Lou was right, we should’ve traded him before last year, like the cheats do, especially after RT went down, but I’m not the owner and I don’t get to make the call to pull the plug on a season, before it starts.
The tornado warning is about to cross the PA-NJ border. LOTS of destruction here in Wilkes-Barre.
Wow, multiple buildings collapsed trucks overturned, only a few minor injuries.
Agreed Steve
He’s a jackass
That is all
GO PHINS
Just saw his footage on NFLN…..”give credit where credit is due”
Go fuck yourself you selfish prick. Good luck getting 10000000 targets in Cleveland. Guess he is better than Brady and can throw and catch it himself.
I’m full on the hate train now.
I am not on Twitter, nor have I ever had the desire to be. However, I May create an account this year just so I can troll Jarvis Landry.
If he learned anything from Omar while he was here, he might have learned that you can block people. lol
On Ryan Tannehill
after 5 years He has never had a season where he has won 9 games, he has a career passer rating of 86.5
he avgs 239 yards per game
he’s only had 10 game winning drives since he’s been in Miami,
he was sacked 213 times
he has lost 1600 yards due to sacks.
has been strip sacked multiple times.
why would you only sign your franchise QB to a 3 year deal that could and most certainly will be either dumped or restructured by the end of year 2? If he’s your guy why not tie him up long term? he seems to be ok playing at a discount.
Cousins is almost making Tannehills entire contract in one year
It would appear the front office hasn’t bought into Tannehill either due to the contract that will most certainly be dumped after the 2nd year and possibly the first.
That said i’m still very interested to see if he can turn the corner this year, maybe because of how he played in 2016 and also the additions made to this team.
What are you talking About?
This is his 7th year, in year 5 he signed a new contract for 5 or 6 years, this year he restructured, getting more money up front to lower the cap hit. By restructuring him it pushes out some bonus money for future cap hits. The jets did the same thing with Stinky, then cut him the next year causing cap issues.
You don’t restructure someone with the idea of cutting him the next year, if anything its confidence from the team.
This post is a perfect example of using stats to try to prove a point. Never won 9 games, but he certainly would’ve, if he didn’t get hurt. Passer rating reflects career stats, ..and not what he’s done lately, only 10 career game winning drives, and no nention of how many he had in 2016…
The biggest knock on RT in his career has been his 4th qtr play including his ability to come from behind and win. In 2016 we saw that week after week, so i dont get the hate.
it’s not hate Steve. Rob set his feet on one side of an argument. Do you really think I don’t like Gesicki because I tease Mike E all the time and call him Gheysucki? Do you think Rob ACTUALLY HATES Drake? It is part of his on-line persona.
Rob, the stats you post in your argument above that Tannehill is a “poor” or mediocre QB are better than some of the “elite” during their first 5 years.
Peyton Manning 85.9 passer rating
Drew Brees 86.64 passer rating
Andrew “not the next Peyton Manning” Luck 86.26 passer rating.
I can do the same with the other stats you throw out there. He is not as bad as you propose and is on par with the elite of the league through his development period. We will have to see if he continues to progress and can become considered “elite” but he is absolutely NOT on the wrong track.
It would appear the front office hasn’t bought into Tannehill either due to the contract that will most certainly be dumped after the 2nd year and possibly the first.
This is a most ridiculous point. “Most certainly dumped”? SMH you are either bating or actually clueless.
their careers (5 seasons)
Player Att Comp Pct Yds Avg TD TD% Int Rating
Ryan Tannehill 527.40 330.60 62.82 3,691.00 7.06 21.20 4.04 13.20 86.56
Big Rape 381.00 237.80 62.80 2,994.80 8.02 20.20 5.48 13.80 91.26
Matt Ryan 527.40 330.80 62.36 3,791.40 7.20 25.40 4.76 12.00 90.18
Peyton Manning 563.40 349.80 62.06 4,123.60 7.34 27.60 4.92 20.00 85.90
Tom Brady 509.00 315.20 62.00 3,605.80 7.14 24.60 4.86 13.20 88.60
Drew Brees 361.80 225.00 60.82 2,469.60 7.08 16.00 4.32 10.60 86.64
Andrew Luck 530.20 314.00 58.96 3,815.60 7.12 26.40 5.00 13.60 86.26
Ryan Tannehill is the MOST accurate passer of the bunch through the first five years.
He has the third least Interceptions per year and 3rd lowest Interception percentage
He has thrown for the 4th most yards per year of the bunch. (Average)
He has thrown the 3rd most completions per year (Average)
Tannehill of Luck does not belong on that list……yet
You talk about having an agenda! this post is clueless, take Ben 1st, they went 15-1 his rookie season, went to the AFC championship game and lost to another guy on your list, that’s right Mr Tom Brady, leaving off Luck and T hill the one thing all the others have in common is they either won or was at least invited to the big dance. T Hill has never took a snap in a playoff game. so give me a break with your agenda ridden post and take off the aqua glasses!
Steve, I’m not trying to prove a point nor do i have an agenda, i’m looking at thill objectively with open eyes, he had 3 game winning drives in 2016 if it makes a difference to you.
as for his contract why didn’t they resign him to a longer bigger deal? they may have saved a lot of $$$ had they done that, he really has a 2 year extension at a low number for NFL QBs,
What if he leads this team and has a great year? what if he wins the division, do you think they will get him on the cheap?
what if he doesn’t? maybe they draft a QB next year and he’s on his way out.
his contract is in direct accordance with his history and it would appear Miami is being cautious not tying him up longer, that to me is a lack of confidence.
you obviously did not read my prior entire post, maybe you should focus more on the last paragraph before you accuse me of having an agenda against T-Hill
I really think we have a petty fan base
Landry says he’s not surprised Tannehill didn’t call him bc they never had a good relationship and people are acting not he is brining down hard rock
That statement is nothing
I don’t even think it was meant to be vindictve
And who cares anyway – what if they don’t like one another – so what!
It really silly sometimes.
the point is the audacity of Landry to say something negative about a former qb he is no longer playing with, he did say the qb’s in Cleve are much better.
and maybe he really thinks that but to say it to the media is crossing the line IMO as conduct for a pro athlete.
Piggy – Landry’s first comment was that the QB’s are so much better here in CLE. Petty my ass. He can go fuck himself every which way. There’s no reason for him bitch, Tannehill fed him pretty good. You’re a Brown now, stop talking about Miami little bitch
One would have to wonder what he’ll say in the future about the guys he’s playing with now?
Rob – He signed a 4YR/$77M deal back in ’16. How much longer should they have given him? That seemed like the right deal at that time Rob
they have only 13 mil in dead money next year and 5 the year after, they could easily walk away next year and pending his play and other options most certainly will either restruture or dump him in 2 yearsthey just restructured his contract giving him a signing bonus to free up money to get FA’s at the start of the year
I think at that time there were doubts as to whether he was the long term solution. They kind of went somewhere in the middle, gave him a nice contract that they could get out of if they needed to. I think both sides were happy with it at the time, and that’ what’s important.
Rockphin says:
June 13, 2018 at 7:55 pm
What is and can be held against him is the fact there has been no consistency across seasons and there have been poor traits that also never have been improved on or corrected.
D, I disagree completely and say this is hater rhetoric. It is an “alternative fact”
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I didnt say he didnt improve on any bad traits, and i never thought his deep ball was that bad personally. His reads seem off, but even then he has improved that. He has improved some on his touch passes.
He doesnt check to his check down, that hasnt improved. He holds the ball too long, that hasnt improved. He has horrible pocket presence, and pocket mobility, that hasnt improved. Im not saying that nothing he has done hasnt improved but there are certainly, very important things he needs to have improved on to be a good QB that he still is dragging along with him like a bag of Rockphins and its holding him back.
Im nopt a Tanny hater, im not a Tanny lover, im going to call it like i see it and IMO, a year 6 QB should eb a good bit further along and the expectation should be on him this year to show us a good QB. To me im open to him showing us he is our franchise guy, but that year is this yar too me, not excuses of oh well he sat out a year etc. If he doesnt do well im very much in the camp of draft a guy early.
To be honest i dont really love or hate any of the players, i just want ones that contribute to the team and his contribution has been neither bad enough to warrant cutting him nor warrant solidifying his place. There are players that flirt with greatness their whole careers but never deliver, the bad thing for him is he is at a psotion when he at the very least needs to stabilize and become consistent, even if it isnt Aaron Rodger type ability, he needs to be consistently good enough to elevate the team. You may label me like others that hate him, but i really dont feel im being at all unfair with my expectations or evaluations of him.
Kirk cousins makes twice what Tannehill is making over the next 3 years
I find that very odd. Has he won anything? His play has been consistently a little better than Tannehill’s, but not THAT much better. I think we have a better deal.
I agree, i think we have a better deal though i dont know if i think we have a better QB. I think Cousins is further along than Tanny right now, not by a lot but slightly. Cousins hit the market at the right time, thats really why he got as much as he did. Garopolo helped him a lot too.
he’s guranteed 84 mil, where as Thill was guranteed 40 mil
As far as the contract goes, im fine with it. Its structured as it should be with commitment to him this year and that commitment tapering off over the next few, which to me means exactly what im saying, Ryan this is your hear to shine. They are committing to the opening the offense up for you to not be held back. They have fixed coaching and player voids to give you the best shot of your career, do something or the sands are running out and they will have to pursue other avenues. 30+ year 7, no consistency, haven’t led your team to the playoffs, etc, isnt going to be a good resume marker for a starter.
For those who don’t read or comprehend very well……clearing throat….steve…..cough cough…Rock…
please take time to read my prior post below, please read it carefully and start one letter at a time, our next class will be to put syllables together, this should really clear up any mystical agendas bating or clueless-ness thought by some, lay off the Kool-aide/rot-gut rock,
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ocalarob says:
June 14, 2018 at 8:35 am
On Ryan Tannehill
That said i’m still very interested to see if he can turn the corner this year, maybe because of how he played in 2016 and also the additions made to this team.
You cant cherry pick stats, then say bless her heart at the end to make everything you said previously go away.
No wonder i’m divorced!
steveccnv says:
June 14, 2018 at 9:16 am
What are you talking About?
This is his 7th year, in year 5 he signed a new contract for 5 or 6 years, this year he restructured, getting more money up front to lower the cap hit. By restructuring him it pushes out some bonus money for future cap hits. The jets did the same thing with Stinky, then cut him the next year causing cap issues.
You don’t restructure someone with the idea of cutting him the next year, if anything its confidence from the team.
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he missed all of 2017, so he’s only played 5 years, if he doesn’t improve they may not cut him in 2019 due to the cap hit but you can bet 2020 is in doubt, he will not play out this contract, with a 5 m cap hit in 2020 they will either resign him or dump him.
This is what I was referring to:
why would you only sign your franchise QB to a 3 year deal.
They restructured, they didn’t resign.
re-structured…re-signed…what the hell is the difference?
Piggy, Landry is the one chirping. We’re just reacting to it.
He’s still sore because he bought his jersey. I’d use it to wipe my ass. lol
LOL
leaving off Luck and T hill the one thing all the others have in common is they either won or was at least invited to the big dance.
YOUR agenda is showing too. LOL TEAMS win games. You CANNOT pin it on Marino that he never won a superbowl. Similarly you cannot pin it on Tannehill that he’s never played in a playoff game.
Marino went to the superbowl year 1,
maybe you should try using Bortles or Winston in your comps, it may look better. Tannehill isn’t in the same league with the players you have been using.
next you’ll be comparing him to joe montana and john elway.
Year 2. 😉
Cousins didn’t really play until his 4th year. He had much more time to develop properly. Tannehill was thrown into the fire year 1, and that was easily his worst year statistically. I don’t there’s nearly that much of a difference in talent or QB play that Cousins should be getting double what Tannehill makes.
The Vikings might have made a mistake with Cousins over Keenum. They already had a guy they were winning with.
But it was clear they couldn’t beat Philly with Keenum.
That was one game. The Vikings defense got lit up as well. Not sure Cousins makes the difference.
And in those games where your D is getting lit up you better be able to score. The Colts had a similar problem with the Cheats. You have to overcome these issues to be a champion.
Steve, it was just one of those games and it was Philly’s year. Like I said the Vikings might have made a mistake, and not sure Cousins makes the difference. Not a definite.
Its not about that its about making a change to give yourself a chance, maybe it doesn’t work, but you have to be able to win a shootout and Case just isn’t that guy. He’s more Tyrod Taylor than Aarron Rodgers.
Yeah Case was headed for a career backup role, maybe even 3rd QB role until that year. He had been on previous teams with no success as a starter so i dont think that if they stuck with Case they would have ever been more than a possible playoff team, i dont see them winning the big show with him. Denver is a good spot for him since he wont be asked to carry the team, so we can see how it goes there. I dont expect it will be much better than it was in Minnesota.
Wait and see what he does this year.
Some guys want to hold out and test the market thinking it drives the contract up, but things can happen when you hold out for what could just be a little bit more. One injury, or competition to be the best player in FA, etc can really screw up those plans to squeeze a little bit more by hitting the market. Im sure that closer to the middle of the season the talks probably heat up some.
— All four quarterbacks worked. Ryan Tannehill practiced every day through OTAs and minicamp.
And yet the Colts are getting more respect as a team with Luck coming back, even though he can’t even throw a ball yet. I saw the lame attempt he made with the college ball. Not sure he’s ready to start the season.
Yeah i dont se their situation as better than ours. Their D, OL and WR’s are worse as groups than ours.
If Luck comes back at 100% you could say their QB situation might be better than ours but i really dont see how that conclusion can be drawn at this point.
Mike E. says:
June 14, 2018 at 11:43 am
Cousins didn’t really play until his 4th year. He had much more time to develop properly. Tannehill was thrown into the fire year 1, and that was easily his worst year statistically. I don’t there’s nearly that much of a difference in talent or QB play that Cousins should be getting double what Tannehill makes.
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I dont either, like i said Cousins was in the right place at the right time. I do think though it should be that Cousins is paid closer to Tanny than Tanny paid closer to Cousins, if that makes sense. There are QB’s in this league worth what Cousins, Garopolo, etc are getting paid, but they arent Cousins and Garopolo. Neither of them were ready to make that kind of contract worth it, they were just the top QB’s on the market in a QB market that had a lot of suitors for their services. Simple supply and demand.
It does make sense. I think Jimmy G has a chance to be being worth it, they took a gamble. Cousins hit the market at the right time, no doubt. Funny thing for him, I think the fact that the Skins paid him so much on tag 2 years in a row inflated his price.
I’m expecting a Garo Polo flop this year. In general when guys leave the cheats they don’t amount to much, and his work includes only games when the team was out of the playoff picture. Where have we seen that before?
Ok….so let’s start the doldrums with RT17 bashing. Lol
LOL, that’s why I say how about we just let Ryan show what he is this year rather than mundane speculation that nobody knows anyway. 🙂
I don’t know what you’re talking about, didn’t you see his last sentence?
No doubt Tannehill has sucked in the past but……..wait for it…..here comes the disclaimer……
I’m extremely excited about how he does in 2018……another disclaimer on the way…..
mainly because i dont have a choice.
he’s mediocre at best, he’s no Tom Brady.. he’s no Russel Wilson….
he’s a tad lethargic, too mechanical..no flow to his game
disclaimer coming…….great athleticism though.
he just lacks the things that can’t be taught IMHO.
maybe he can break into the top 10 in QB rating, he’s never been there before.
even good QBs in the top 10 struggle to get to the SB.
I wonder when the last time a QB that was not in the top 10 in QB rating won the SB, or for that matter even played in the SB??
he does have good mechanics when he throws the ball good footwork, it’s the pocket awareness, the statue-esk…and his accuracy that needs much improvement.
A person who sows discord on the internet by starting quarrels.
What is a wanker, Alex?
It means to foster, promote or create bad feeling between people.
does the fact Tannehill is limited make you feel bad?
For clarification….
My Landry hate isn’t at him not being friends with RT17.
It’s the “give credit where credit is due” quote that nobody is talking about. I’ll say again….fuck him. He owes every player on the team.
Tannehill isn’t in the same league with the players you have been using
That is the whole point of the players I picked. They are considered by many as the “elite” but they they were not during the fist 5 years of their careers. Tanny’s stats stand up well in comparison when you look at the first 5 year period.
Plus you are wrong on two levels. They are in the same league because they are all in the NFL. (same league) 😉
the only stat that matters are w’s, That’s why he shouldn’t be mentioned with 5 of the 6 guys you’ve stated.
would you trade Tannehill right now for Tom Brady?
No
So if the Ws are all that matters, you’re saying Big Ben was better his first year in the league, than he is now.
Tannehill’s the best QB in the league, we’re going to win the superbowl, matter of fact we’re cutting everyone on offense, all we need is superhill,
there does that make some of you feel better?
no it just makes you sound like more of a dick than you really are.
W’s are not a QB stat, they are a team stat and you know it. Aaron Rodgers is the best QB in the league, bar none, but he has only been to one SB.
would you trade Tannehill right now for Tom Brady?
No, because Tom Brady would have ZERO SB rings if he had played for the dolphins.
He said now, so Brady would be A Fin with 5 rings.
I say no, because of his age.
I don’t think Tannehill has ever sucked. Bad games yes, what QB hasn’t had bad games? But even though he had some bumps in the road each year he did get better every season in different ways. Let’s see what he looks like this year. 3rd year in Gase’s system with a HC who has his back. Even though he wasn’t involved physically last year, he was still involved with the mental part of the game which should help him.
Go Ryan!!! Go Phins!!!
According to Rob Trent Dilfer was a better QB that Marino. So was Brad Johnson, So is Eli Manning and Joe Flacco. they are all better than him because they, all by them selves mind you, won a superbowl…..
Tom Brady won SB MVP in his first championship throwing for 141 yards and 1 TD. Yep, it was all on him. LOL
We all know good QB play is important, but why does “ultimate team game” get lost when discussing QBs?
Jay Ajayi is the best running back in the history of the NFL!
wait, he is only 21-25 as a player so he is a loser….or do W”s only count for QB’s?
Charles Haley is 5-0 in SBs. Yes he played on good teams with good/great QBs but he also made game changing plays as a pass rusher. Nobody talks about DE/OLB records.
The Broncos don’t defeat the Panthers in the SB without Von Miller.
Our starting QB is mediocre at best, he has a career 86.5 QBR, that’s not good, high 90’s to 100’s is good, Jeez Jameis Winston is better than him!
hold the kool-aide Rock!
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_active.htm
Brady’s first 6 seasons not counting his rookie season because he only threw 3 passes had a QB rating of 88.4. If we don’t count Tannehill’s rookie season because he wasn’t really ready to start and wasn’t suppose to until Garrard went down, has a QB rating of 89.2.
The moral of my point is Brady got better later in his career than he was early on. So based on the things you’ve said, Tannehill can’t get better later in his career because he is what he is, even though Brady showed he could do that. The only difference is Brady did it, and Tannehill’s career is still incomplete. We don’t know the future yet, let it play out. 🙂
and if your aunt was your uncle…..well you know the drill.
Way to avoid the rebuttal.
Brady improved his game with hard work. When he came into the league he had to work on every aspect of his game because not much of it was good. Poor athleticism, bad footwork, mediocre arm etc.
He said his rookie year he got a glimpse of a coach’s grade report on him and none of it was good. So he worked his ass off to overcome as an over-achiever to become an all-time great.
Once again the moral of my point is, back when Brady was in his 6th or 7th year, nobody knew he would become what he has. The Pats won early SBs with him because of defense and a balanced team, not his elite passing. He then became the reason they win but nobody knew that was coming at the time.
So instead of simply being a dark cloud on Tannehill, why not just let it play out on the field rather than in your mind? I’m trying to show you it happens. There are other examples, but I figured why not choose the guy who has won the most and is sure thing HOFer.
Raw hide!
all seriousness.. i am Pumped for some reasons i think he will improve,
1st he has Gase and he did improve in 2016 under Gase,
2nd what Gase has built around him, the players they brought in on offense with key vets like amendola and the other new rec’s, even the new TE’s, gore ballage and Drake. the neww additions to the OL.
3rd is because i’m sure he knows he’s under a microscope, if he doesn’t go 10-6 or 11-5 i’m sure they will look to replace him by drafting a QB next year
he may put Gase on the hot seat as well.
so i’m looking for big things from Tannehill.
But until that time it’s still open season on T Hill.
Tim i thought Brady took over in his first year?? after the jet hit on bledsoe???
2nd season.
remember though we started i think like 1-4 in 2016, and i don’t think Tannehill had much to do with our success, I think it was the Jat Train who carried Tannehill and the rest of the team.
Jay Train
They should put a statue of Jay Ajayi at the front gate of JRS
Reality can be a bitch!
how would you know?
I don’t think you have met her.
Jay Ajayi had THREE count them again, one, two, three ahhhh ha ha ha three! great games, one good game and the rest were average to below average. (75 yards or less, 3.5 yards per carry or less) fact check it. FACT not made up stat FACT
It’s true, but I do agree with ORob that teams put a focus on stopping him. Tannehill did take advantage of that which he should and that was a good thing. That’s what we need to get back to sans Ajayi because we have backs who can get the job done. Balance!
Lol
ORob on a roll today. 🙂
the MAJORITY of Jay Ajayi’s runs (Meaning more than 50% of them) have been for 2 yards or less. Check that one too.
So instead of simply being a dark cloud on Tannehill, why not just let it play out on the field rather than in your mind? I’m trying to show you it happens. There are other examples, but I figured why not choose the guy who has won the most and is sure thing HOFer.
Because that is not as much fun as riling up the natives with “hater’ posts.
Gheysucki will be the backup Tight end. Smythe is the Shyte and will be the starter!
Keep the doggies trollin, raw hide.
Sigh, ok, I had fun today trolling back and forth with the other troll.
Nogtih all.
If these discussions are trolling, what’s the point of it? We all like to get into the details of this team, why purposely try to make it a shit show? I would hope that’s not the case.
Here’s an example of cheap comments when giving a complement finishing up with an absurd criticism.
Could have said, “which wasn’t very good early on in his career.” No he has to go all out trash. That’s the way society talks to each other now and some people don’t even realize they’re doing it.
He could have also said like a money humping a coconut so it could have been worse, or at least more graphic. 🙂
Hey Omar, nice to meet you. When you first started out as a reporter, I thought you were like a hobo’s dick cheese, but you’ve gotten better. I’m proud of you. LOL
Really? I always saw him as Syphilitic dick drippage….
You’re killin me Tim
I’ll believe 19-0 until they prove me wrong.
One thing I don’t get about the media (and some of our posters) narrative on T-Hill is the “concern” over his knee. Other QB are coming off of worse injuries (Wentz) and no one is worried about them. Watson is going to turn Houston into a contenda and Wentz is a lock for MVP, while Marriotta is taking the Titans to the holy land. Yet Tannhill is talked about like his was the first ACL ever torn.
Im not completely worried about it but he did have back to back ones, so there is room to worry some. I also dont care about the other ones, if their knee isn’t 100% someone else’s team takes the hit and not mine.
I see it as he only had two because he didn’t have surgery after the first one. It’s not like it was repaired or healed before it tore completely. He went the Black Knight route. “‘Twas but a flesh wound.”
I also don’t consider it two injuries. It’s like having a broken toe, and playing through it, and then the break gets worse because someone stepped on it. It’s still one broken toe, just like it’s only one ACL tear.
Exactly. Didn’t tear in a different place. Wasn’t fixed then re-injured.
I think that’s what Phish meant, even though he wrote two.
I was talking about D’s response. I know where Phelon is at
If you Google Miami Dolphins News, you’ll see quite the homering going on by the beat reporters, something I don’t remember seeing before.
Welcome to summer camp break. How’s Chad Henne been doing lately. 🙂
At least his knee isn’t hanging by a thread! lol
Arby’s commercial just made me LOL
If a sandwich needs a little something extra…you add bacon to it.
If a sandwich is perfect just the way it is…….you add bacon to it.
Love their commercials. Ving Rhames! LOL
Is it Ving? Not sure about that
Never mind, I’m sure now. 🙂
Yeah its him
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1007408404640329728
WOW. Kellen Winslow Jr? SMMFH
I never realized it was VIng either. “we’ve got the meats”
No, We HAVE the meats
Mike E. says:
June 14, 2018 at 6:58 pm
I was talking about D’s response. I know where Phelon is at.
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That’s rather disconcerting coming from “The Hand.”
And you ended your sentence with a proposition! The horror!
OMG!!!!!
Wait, what kind of proposition did I make? Was it lewd? lol
Ok, I just finished watching the season finale of Legeon season 2 and I still don’t understand WTF is going on. Who is real? What…I mean….What?
Preposition, dammit! And I’m sure it was lewd!
🙂
I just found out that Captain Marvel is a chick.
Not just a chick Brie Larson
Is she someone?
um, yeah, Captain Marvel…….
This discussion is beginning to feel circular.
Know what makes me happy? That Tannehill (or anyone else on our team) hasn’t addressed Jarvis’ BS… AT ALL. I think most of us knew that Tanny wouldn’t take the low road.
I’ve gotta admit, I’m almost where ER’s at when it comes to Jarvis right now. Still… our guys CONTINUE to take the high road, refusing to acknowledge the BS.
GO PHINS!!!
HELL YEAH!!!
Ryan has always dealt with the outside noise very well. He’s dealt with plenty of public criticism, not about his character but his play. He works through it and doesn’t spend time on it. He’s no celebrity QB. 😉
I can’t say enough GOOD about Tannehill, the person! I think his heart, mind, and soul are in the RIGHT place.
As a fan of Tanny — the person — y’all KNOW I’m rooting for him to ROCK this year! And yes… I believe he CAN do it!
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http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-dolphins-sidebar-20180614-story.html
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Look man I tell you dolphins rule
Trick or Treat
GOFINS!!!
In this Cam Wake Top 100 video I some bad pocket presence by some good QBs. LOL
I want this man in the NFL HOF. If Terrell Davis can make it in, then so should MR. Wake.
Voted top 100 player 6 years in a row all in his 30’s. 🙂
Man, I hope so!!!
If he can make it into the ‘100-sack Club’ after this year, he’s got a REAL shot. To average 10 sacks per year in a mere 10 years time-span is VERY good… especially as an UDFA.
Know you’re gonna get QWaked anyways,
Why waste energy being technically sound,
“””RUN AWAY, RUN AWAY”””.
Lol Tim
What did I say?
Seeing bad pocket presence by good QBs. Guess they all suck!
Who brought Cam Wake here?? wasn’t it Jeff Ireland?
LOL – Is that for Landry?
That’s is indeed some funny fingering!!!
Go THill Go