The Dolphins running back picture is pretty clear as far as the 3 that will definitely make the roster, but not so clear as far as which back will start, and which back will get the lion’s share of carries. Future HOFer Frank Gore has come back home to Miami, and if healthy can still carry the rock to join one of the best RB’s in the NFL the last 4 games of last season Kenyan Drake, as well as rookie draftee Kalen Ballage. Those 3 are in, but one of the other remaining 3, Senorise Perry, Brandon Radcliffe and Buddy Howell. Those 3 will be competing for the final RB roster spot, and at least one of the others should get placed on the PS. So let’s take a look at the competition.
Frank Gore RB – 5’9″ 212
A no doubt future Hall of fame RB, Gore has amassed over 14,000 yards rushing in the NFL as well as 77 rushing TD’s. I don’t expect him to crack 15,000 this season, but he can easily get halfway to 1000 in a RB committee approach I expect us to have here in MIA in ’18. Not only can Gore run, but he’s been an effective receiver his entire career as well. Gore has 443 receptions for 3672 yards and 17 receiving TD’s. Gore has done it all, and for a guy who had 2 knee injuries in college, he has been a picture of longevity with over 3000 NFL carries. He may start early on, and might even get the majority of carries too, but Gase won’t let anyone get burnt out, so don’t expect Gore to have enough carries to break 1000 this season. Gore is a bowling ball, and has always been a reliable short yardage converter, and I would expect him to get his chances in that regard.
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Kenyan Drake RB – 6’1″ 211
Drake really burst on the scene after the trade of Jay Ajayi. Although Drake shared time with Damien Williams at first, it became clear that Drake was the better talent and he earned more carries and opportunities. Considering the fact that Drake was always a 2nd fiddle at Alabama, behind either T.J. Yeldon, or Derrick Henry, it’s understandable why he wasn’t the first choice over Ajayi or even Damien Williams. The talent was always there, but various minor injuries kept him from being the primary ballcarrier. Once he got his chance here in Miami, Drake made the most of it. With just 6 starts, Drake finished up the season with 644 yards rushing on 133 carries for a nice 4.8YPC and 3 TD’s. In addition, Drake caught 32 passes for 239 yards and 1 TD. Drake showed running power as well as home run speed. Both Gore and Drake will get the majority of the carries, but don’t sleep on number 3!
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Kalen Ballage RB – 6’2″ 228
The Dolphins nabbed this big back in the 4th RD of this years draft and I for one was really happy. I read about all the backs, and there were things I liked a lot about a few of them, but those guys were going to be taken in the first couple of rounds, which i knew was unrealistic for us. I think we took a back at the right time with our priorities, and Ballage was one of my favorite mid RD picks. Oft compared to David Johnson, he has the size and physique of Johnson, as well as the speed and the receiving ability. Ballage blasted a 4.46 at the combine, so this big guy can move. He has a lot of work to do to get to being compared with David Johnson statistically in the NFL, but I think he has potential. The fact that he’s a very smooth receiver out of the backfield will endear him to Gase who truly values that. Ballage will definitely find opportunities here in Miami.
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Senorise Perry RB – 6’0″ 210
Perry has been in the NFL since 2014 and has total of 8 carries in 4 years. What Perry does well is play special teams, so already he has a leg up on making the roster. Perry is also a kick returner adding to his special teams value. He played in all 16 games last season in a special teams capacity. Beyond that, he’s not much of a factor.
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Brandon Radcliff RB – 5’9″ 216
Like Senorise Perry, Radcliff played at Louisville. The UDFA joins Miami and a crowded backfield. He was a 3 year starter at Louisville but was a non combine invitee. He did well at his pro day unofficially running between a 4.4-4.5 at 207 lbs, roughly 8-9 lbs lighter than his playing weight at 215-216. Radcliff will have to show some special teams ability if he’s going to steal that last spot, and if he can make the most of his carries in training camp and preseason, he has a shot st steal the last spot.
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Buddy Howell RB – 6’1″ 215
Greg (Buddy) Howell is another non combine invitee. Mr. Howell ran a 4.55 40 at his pro day, apparently he saw Lovey at the finish line. Usually players shed weight for their pro day’s, but Howell was up a few pounds, up to 219. Howell had a decent workload at FAU, rushing for 828 yards and 13 TD’s his junior year. His numbers fell off a bit his senior year, but not bad. Like Perry and Radcliff, Howell will have to show he can play ST’s and do it well to sneak onto the roster.
Finsmob Unleashed 
you need to move earth on the early downs.
you forgot the IMO part. because that is what this is.
IMO you don’t need “to bulldoze or move earth” you need to get yards PERIOD end of story and Drake did that at as good or better rate on fist down than Ajayi. What does it matter how he ran for the yards as long as he consistently gets those yards (which he does)
sorry guys i was compiling stats of drakes 1st down runs, have all of his runs just have to study them to tell the truth, it looks as if phelons stats are incorrect. here’s the Oak game
1-10-MIA 29
(14:22) 32-K.Drake left guard to MIA 40 for 11 yards
1-10-OAK 45
(13:59) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake up the middle to OAK 45 for no gain1-10-OAK 45
(13:59) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake up the middle to OAK 45 for no gain
1-10-MIA 48
(10:36) 32-K.Drake left guard to MIA 48 for no gain
1-10-OAK 24
(7:37) 32-K.Drake left guard to OAK 20 for 4 yards
1-10-MIA 18
(5:08) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake left tackle to MIA 18 for no gain
1-10-MIA 45
(9:31) 32-K.Drake left tackle to MIA 49 for 4 yards (51-B.Irvin). PENALTY on MIA-51-M.Pouncey,
Nope. I pulled those numbers from every run in every game last year. They are correct.
we shall see, i’ll get back to you later on it
if you pulled them from every run there’s the problem, i’m saying Drake does not have the ability to run btwn the tackles on 1st down to get the team in manageable down and distance.
i’m looking for his 1st down stats
Bucs Game
bucs
1-10-MIA 25
(14:10) 32-K.Drake left guard to MIA 24 for -1 yards
1-10-MIA 32
(9:14) 32-K.Drake right tackle to MIA 26 for -6 yards
1-10-MIA 21
(9:11) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake right tackle to MIA 23 for 2 yards
1-10-MIA 39
(3:43) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake up the middle to MIA 39 for no gain
Pats game
pats
1-10-MIA 25
(8:25) 32-K.Drake right tackle to MIA 28 for 3 yards
1-10-MIA 35
(7:04) 32-K.Drake right end to MIA 39 for 4 yards (31-J.Jones).
1-10-NE 46
(5:43) 26-D.Williams up the middle to NE 44 for 2 yards
1-10-MIA 35
(2:30) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake left tackle pushed ob at MIA 48 for 13 yards
1-10-MIA 48
(2:03) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake left end pushed ob at MIA 47 for -1 yards
Rob – those numbers are first down only. Here’s the page:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DrakKe00/splits/2017/
Go to the bottom to “More Drake” pages, then to “Rushing” “2017. “ you’ll find the break down of every run by down.
Excellent resource for data Phelon.
Thanks for posting it. It makes research a lot easier.
De nada
D says:
June 21, 2018 at 10:51 am
M13 i see a conflict of interest for you coming soon when Patrick Surtan’s son grduates from Alabama as the top CB prospect in the nation. Will that be enough for you to pull for us to draft a UA DB? 🙂
Rob,
You said yesterday I never agree with you. But that isn’t true. When it comes to how important the running game is to an offense, I agree with the philosophy you espouse almost entirely.
You posted this yesterday:
“having 2nd and 9 or worse will kill the whole team, you become predictable and DC’s play the pass because they know you’re in that situation, their DE’s are pinning their ears back, you go 3 and out and your D who just got off the field is back on it again. you fall behind and abandon the run, now you’re in quicksand.
you may even succeed in picking up 2nd and 9, but not on a continual basis”
I agree with this. Going into 2nd and 9 puts you behind in down and distance, and it’s hard to continually convert in those situations.
Here is where we differ. You think that when Ajayi puts us in 2nd and 9 it’s ok, because he faced 8 in the box on 1st down, but when Drake puts us in 2nd and 9 it kills the offense.
I think no matter how we got to 2nd and 9, it hurts the offense because they can play the pass either way.
As the stats Phelon posted show, both RB were pretty even when it came to picking up 3+ yds on 1st down, Drake was slightly better, but not significantly. So our offense is in the exact same position more often than not with both backs.
Blame it on OL, if they don’t block we aren’t getting chunk yardage on 1st down.
Every team has this problem though.
I cover that at 11:27. Our oline was the biggest problem last year followed by QB. If we have improved play from both of those this year, both backs would perform well IMO.
Rob,
You also like to correlate number of rushes and wins. When Ajayi rushes for 20+ we’re 13-0 over two years (i think that number is correct, i didn’t look. I’m talking concept anyway). Well when Drake rushed for 20+, we were 2-0.
Again, not causality, it is correlation. Either way, same result.
The crux of my argument is the way Drake performed last year gives us hope he can be our guy this year. Our biggest problems on offense last year were the oline and QB position. I think if we had Ajayi this year with an improved oline and Tanny back, we would have a good year offensively.
I think the same thing about Drake. With an improved oline, and Tanny back, we’ll have a good year offensively.
If our oline ends up crap again this year , we’ll have some good games and some bad games just like last year with BOTH backs.
If Tanny backslides or underperforms, then teams will be able to stack the box, and we’ll have a less than stellar year.
D says:
June 21, 2018 at 10:51 am
M13 i see a conflict of interest for you coming soon when Patrick Surtan’s son grduates from Alabama as the top CB prospect in the nation. Will that be enough for you to pull for us to draft a UA DB? 🙂
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YES! 🙂
That kid is a ballhawk. As long as he keeps it up, he is going to be a terror. I saw some HS footage (because he was also considering UF) and its pretty man among boys kinda thing. Last HS footage i watch that i felt that way or about was watching Leonard Fournette’s HS footage which that was so damn ridiculous you walked away from that knowing that kid would be a NFL player some day with 0 doubt.
Rob,
You talk about not having a bias, but it truly appears you have a bias against Drake because you were a big Ajayi fan at the time of his trade. No matter how we sift through the data minutia, the result is always the same. Drake was close to or outperformed Ajayi in almost every statistically category in 2017 (for the Dolphins. I haven’t looked at Ajayi’s numbers for Philly).
My numbers included Ajayi’s Philly numbers.
Gotcha. If Ajayi put up better numbers in Philly than here then that skews the data somewhat in his favor, but for the purposes of this argument that only advances our point.
I liked Ajayi too. It was awesome to watch what he did in 2016. I was pissed when he was traded. I didn’t understand it. I moved on, and am glad we appear to have a stud in Drake
Maybe most of us here are wrong, and Drake will end up being pedestrian this year. Or maybe your ‘eye test’ will be proven right, and Drake will not be able to handle being one of the starters at RB or be unable to get the ‘tough’ yards. We’ll find out soon. But with Drake, Gore, and possibly Ballage, we appear to have a very nice stable of backs to call upon.
What the damn dirty ape said.
So in a custody battle
Rob gets the spoiled brat and a Philly banner,
Everyone else gets the good son and the house
Bang, Bang, court adjourned!!!
No sense arguing on behalf of a selfish player that will never again be a part of our household!!!
If the Ajayi guys were to win the appeal??
The spoiled brat DIVA RB (whoever heard of such a thing),
Will still never be welcome to return to the property!!!
He’s HISTORY, he will never again do what he does or doesn’t do for the family,
Good bye, good riddance!!!
GOFINS!!!
LMAO @ custody battle
Well said KV – The major point is Ajayi is GONE. He of 70 caries as an Eagle last season. He still has to fight for the #1 spot in Philly now that Blount is gone, and his competition isn’t impressive. Wendell Smallwood, Corey Clement,and Darren Sproles. Who cares what he does anyway, he’s GONERS.
he’s already been named the starter in Philly this season.
Not surprising.
One last point before I head off to the dentist, woohoo!
We’re in the doldrums right now waiting for training camp. That is part of the reason I didn’t just let it go and kept this debate going with Rob, maybe to some of your disgust. (some people jumped on board with the debate, so I may not be the only one looking for something moderately interesting to discuss as well, lol)
I look at it like this. We’ve discussed everything about this team ad nauseam and we don’t really have anything new. So I figure this is as good a way to pass the time as any. Does it really matter what subject we talk to death right now? It hasn’t gotten nasty, so I don’t see any harm in it, even if some may be tired of the subject.
What subject would that be? 😉
lol, I promise once training camp starts I will let it go even if Rob hasn’t.
(I thought my appt was 9:30, it’s actually 10:30 so I will be here another 30 minutes.)
From Ajayi’s bad knees to his bruising running style he’s not going to last anyways, and might already be past his prime.
It’s probably not Rob’ s point, and maybe he just wants a big power back, but we’ve got what we’ve got, and it’s our best preseason backfield I can remember, so Go Fins.
The big reason Ajayi is still half the focus of this argument is because Rob sets the standard with him. My major counterpoint is when you apply the same standard to Drake that is applied to Ajayi, Drake stacks up well statistically in 2017.
With a horrible OL, that Ajayi sucked with in 2017, sure they got better at the end, but…
I think it also probably has something to do with us usually playing from behind a lot and throwing more to catch up. Teams who can play with leads tend to end up running more….although that is changing a bit with the way the game is played now. Teams throw on 3rd and short a lot more now than they ever did. 3rd and 3 or less, and you could usually count on it being a running play in days past. Now, not so much. There really isn’t such a thing as a run heavy offense in the league anymore. You’re probably throwing around 65% these days. So, you need to be effective when you do run. The percentages are a lot better on 3rd and 4 than on 3rd and 7. We end up in 3rd and over 5 yards way too often….at least it seems that way. It’s awfully hard to win that way consistently.
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We need balance, and that comes when you can execute the plays called….no matter what it is or who’s number is called. We haven’t been able to do that consistently. Start there and build. And again….it truly is about how this OL performs.
“We need balance, and that comes when you can execute the plays called….no matter what it is or who’s number is called. We haven’t been able to do that consistently. Start there and build. And again….it truly is about how this OL performs.”
dead on balls accurate imo
Marisa Tomei – Great line, delivered perfectly by her
She is so fantastic and hot in that movie.
And now she is Aunt May.
lol, WTF?
Mona Lisa Vito
Holy shit. I never realized her character’s name was “Mona Lisa” Vito. Probably because when she was onscreen all thought ceased lol.
Rock – Not true – Read this . . .
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000937840/article/jay-ajayi-going-into-eagles-camp-as-no-1-rb-option
“I don’t think, though, that from a scheme standpoint it’s going to change much with a rotating running back room like we had last year with LeGarrette, and Jay and Corey,” Pederson told reporters. “I think there’s a time and a place for that. Each game is a little bit different.”
With a strong showing in training camp, Ajayi could very well enter the regular season as the Eagles’ featured rusher.
Kong – Going for a checkup, or are they taking all your teefers? lol
lol, getting an new front toof. An old childhood injury finally caused the toof to die, and it needs a crown.
LOL, loved Eddie Murphy in either Delirious or Raw, forget which one, doing a Leon Spinks impression, saying “I ain’t got no money, ain’t got no wife, and I ain’t got no teefers neever”.
LOL that went right by me. It was Richard Pryor.
To be fair….at least I think I am. Lol
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It seems like Rob has been pimping a power running game/back long before Ajayi. He’s using Ajayi as an example at this point. The biggest difference in our offensive performance in 2016 was our running game that was top 10, and Ajayi played a big role in that. He just did. And no…..Drake is not a power back but that’s okay. I prefer a compliment of different abilities in my backfield, so I want Drake and Gore and whomever to compliment each other. I do feel some trepidation about who will be our power back. There are options, but will they perform? I think that’s a valid concern until Gore proves he hasn’t lost a step or Ballage proves he can get the tough yards. Or, maybe they use our HB for those 3rd and shorts. Bottom line: find a way to get 3 damn yards. It doesn’t have to be on a slam into the A gap, but we need to start making teams respect our running game.
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And I didn’t mean to speak for you Rob, so apologies ahead of time if it came off that way!
I don’t disagree with most of what you wrote. But the argument has been about performance in 2017 and what it means to the team going forward. I have certainly never downplayed what Ajayi meant to the team in 2016. And I have never claimed Drake is a true power back. I think he can run with power, but he isn’t a power back.
The difference is Rob went off the deep end after the Ajayi trade. He downplays what Drake showed us in 2017 and he states he isn’t a starter but is only a 3rd down back. That is where the disagreement starts.
Again my argument is statistically Drake was about as effective or slightly more so that Ajayi in 2017. And with improved oline play Drake can be an effective starter for us. That is it. If all Rob said was he prefers a power running game, there wouldn’t be an argument.
His argument is we HAVE to have a power back at starter to be a good team, and with Drake as our starter (even with Gore and Ballage) we will not be effective. He has stated more than once that if Drake is our starter we are in trouble.
Kong – That was Pryor? Damn, all these years later I thought it was Eddie
Richard Pryor Live on Sunset Strip made me laugh so hard I literally fell out of my chair. Not even kidding. If you’ve never seen it, do! Lol
It was hilarious. Disappointed in myself that I got Eddie Murphy and Richard Pryor’s skit mixed up.
MikeE,
I do the same thing. Murphy emulated Pryor in some ways, so I give myself a pass. Lol
OK, now I feel better. lol
BBL ya’ll!!
Kong,
It’s all good! The discussion took on all kinds of mutations over the past….oh….decade! Lol
Pryor no doubt influenced Murphy but their style is pretty different. Murphy’s comedy even his standup was more body language and a flamboyant delivery style, where Pyror’s was subject matter/situational and deadpan.
Sorry not meant as a reply to this one….should have been for one above this. Also id like to add, i guess what im saying Mike, is feel bad if you want to you were wrong to mix them up 🙂
I can break down the RB discussion pretty easily. Running game = good, balanced offense = good, Drake vs Ajayi discussion = opinion = everyone’s got one = everyone’s also has an assholes = everyone believes everyone else’s smells worse than their own..
PS i had baracho beans for lunch, mines going to smell pretty bad pretty soon and even ill have to admit to it.
Mine always smells like flowers, (to me)
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000937390/article/projecting-one-future-firsttime-pro-bowler-for-each-afc-team
I really like Gil Brandt’s pick of Xavien Howard here, but I’m going to go with Laremy Tunsil. I think Tunsil is going to show why he was a former consensus #1 overall pick, now that he has legit LG in Josh Sitton.
The young players who could really help turn things around for us are Tunsil, Drake, Howard, Harris, McMillan and Fitzpatrick. I know I’m leaving some guys out but if these guys play up to expectations we should be a pretty darn good team.
Ugh! That 40-time is NOT good. Adonis is a Supplemental Draft candidate.
Thats more box safety or hybrid LB numbers there.
Michael Thomas on head to head hits and that you now get ejected for them. And he makes a great point. This stuff happens fast.
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“What more can you now ask us to do and continue to play this game the way it’s supposed to be played?.
The name of the game — and you’ve been taught this since you were a little kid — is low man wins. So if I’m going to make a tackle, a full-speed decision, I’ve already broke, the receiver or running back, let’s say they already have the ball in their hands, if they turn up and see me … their whole body’s going to drop and I have to get low in order to create leverage and use power from the ground and complete the tackle. How are they going to officiate that?”
Its true and a lot of the helmet to helmet hits i have seen are a result of the defender lining up his tackle target before the offensive guy positions himself for the hit. They definately need to do a review every time and determine if the defender was targeting low as the tackle begins.
You are also taught not to lead with your head, but rather target your head to the outside of their body so if you can draw a straight line down the ridge of the helmet you can see what his target point was at the point he began the tackle. There would be no way you could see it in anything but a replay that has been slowed down.
One example of this was Smith-Scheuster’s hit on Burfict. Full speed he looked like he blind side and deliberately went helmet to helmet. When you slowed it down you could see his target was his chest and the actual point of impact was the chest.
Has to be something else involved, but they already do it to an extent. Thing is if they eject folks for helmet to helmet straight out, they might as well kick them out of the game for missed tackles too. Some of the helmet hits might have been intended….but clearly none of the whiffs on tackles were, and whole lot of more miss in them.
pheloniusphish says:
June 21, 2018 at 10:43 am
Rob – those numbers are first down only.
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and he had a couple of big runs while great skew hsi power YPC, what i want to know is how’s his power game, what are his numbers on runs of 10 yards or less? having a 47 yard run and a couple of other big runs amongst those figures to add to his YPC does not tell the story or reflect his true power game IMO. i want to know what when we hand the ball to drake what the avg yards we need to pick up on 2nd down, if he avgs 4.6 yards on 1st down that’s excellent, so now we have 2nd and 5.4 but i don’t think thats accurate
Nice post Randy
Lots of times the head to head contact is initiated or caused by the offensive player because of how he moves. You’re taught to put your SHOULDER into the player’s body, and your head goes on the upfield side of the player….between him and the goal line. But, anybody who plays knows that sort of goes out the window on a lot of plays. I really hope they don’t start reviewing all this crap even more. The games are long enough the way it is.
Giving the rookies a week head start.
Have they always done that?
I don’t remember that being the case.
Don’t remember. Not a bad idea though. They get an idea on how everything works and some extra coaching before the vets come in.
M13,
Nobody named Adonis should be getting 9 reps on the bench press! Lol
Ok, that was a miserable trip to the dentist, but the Norco will be kicking in here soon and that’ll be nice. 🙂
“The discussion took on all kinds of mutations over the past….oh….decade! Lol”
True that, Randy!
Pryor on Sunset Strip is top 3 for me along with either Delirious or Raw (I can never remember which one of Eddie’s was roll on the floor good. One was amazing, the other was just good IMO.)
I got my ice cream, you can not have some, you cannot have some of my ice cream! LOL
In runs under 10 yards Drake had 59 of them post Ajayi, he made 116 yards so he averaged 1.96 yards per carry leaving us with 2nd and 8 on average
You do realize that most of that in on the OL/blocking doing their job right? All our backs over the last few years have had issues with nowhere to go due to poor blocking. If we get it done up front we could be real good in the run game. We definitely have the talent in the backfield.
what ever it is Timmy it needs to be fixed, we need that figure to be 2nd and 6 not 2nd and 8, that’s the difference in being predictable or not
Where are pulling these stats from?
Phelon posted stats that Drake got 4+ on 49% of his 1st down runs, but I can’t find that breakdown either.
NFL .com, I went back to the panther game and copied every 1st down run by Drake to the last game, i’d be happy to post them for you to review if you like.
phelons info
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DrakKe00/splits/2017/
I’ve got that page up for Phelon’s reference, I just can’t find where it shows break down of runs over/under 3 yds on 1st down.
it’s down at the bottom, shows all downs individually
it says he avg 4.5 yards on 1st down, he had 8 runs that were big but they all resulted in 1st downs. those runs do not reflect his power status IMO
I only used the 59 runs he had that resulted in 2nd down, I wanted to know what the avg yards we had to gain on 2nd down after handing him the ball on 1st
and my stats are post Ajiai
Since you have the data, how about listing the number of those 59 runs that were 3 yds or more? That would be more accurate than averaging.
1-10-MIA 29
(14:22) 32-K.Drake left guard to MIA 40 for 11 yards
1-10-OAK 45
(13:59) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake up the middle to OAK 45 for no gain1-10-OAK 45
(13:59) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake up the middle to OAK 45 for no gain
1-10-MIA 48
(10:36) 32-K.Drake left guard to MIA 48 for no gain
1-10-OAK 24
(7:37) 32-K.Drake left guard to OAK 20 for 4 yards
1-10-MIA 18
(5:08) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake left tackle to MIA 18 for no gain
1-10-MIA 45
(9:31) 32-K.Drake left tackle to MIA 49 for 4 yards (51-B.Irvin). PENALTY on MIA-51-M.Pouncey,
panthers
1-10-MIA 34
(:27) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake right tackle to MIA 37 for 3 yards
1-3-CAR 3
(2:57) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake up the middle to CAR 2 for 1 yard
1-10-CAR 48
(7:06) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake up the middle to CAR 45 for 3 yards
bucs
1-10-MIA 25
(14:10) 32-K.Drake left guard to MIA 24 for -1 yards
1-10-MIA 32
(9:14) 32-K.Drake right tackle to MIA 26 for -6 yards
1-10-MIA 21
(9:11) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake right tackle to MIA 23 for 2 yards
1-10-MIA 39
(3:43) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake up the middle to MIA 39 for no gain
pats
1-10-MIA 25
(8:25) 32-K.Drake right tackle to MIA 28 for 3 yards
1-10-MIA 35
(7:04) 32-K.Drake right end to MIA 39 for 4 yards (31-J.Jones).
1-10-MIA 35
(2:30) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake left tackle pushed ob at MIA 48 for 13 yards
1-10-MIA 48
(2:03) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake left end pushed ob at MIA 47 for -1 yards
den
1-10-MIA 19
(14:56) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake right guard to MIA 20 for 1 yard
1-10-MIA 44
(12:17) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake left guard to MIA 46 for 2 yards
1-10-DEN 42
(10:57) 32-K.Drake left tackle pushed ob at DEN 25 for 17 yards (51-T.Davis). PENALTY on MIA-51-M.Pouncey, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced
1-10-MIA 42
(2:57) 32-K.Drake right guard to MIA 49 for 7 yards
1-10-MIA 25
(13:28) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake left guard to MIA 31 for 6 yards (96-S.Harris).
1-10-MIA 11
(6:42) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake up the middle to MIA 22 for 11 yards
1-10-MIA 13
(4:54) 32-K.Drake right tackle to MIA 16 for 3 yards
1-10-MIA 24
(3:35) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake left guard to MIA 25 for 1 yard
1-10-MIA 36
(2:16) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake right end to MIA 43 for 7 yards
1-10-DEN 19
(12:43) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake up the middle to DEN 17 for 2 yards
1-10-DEN 48
(6:28) 32-K.Drake left end to DEN 39 for 9 yards
1-10-DEN 42
(3:04) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake left guard for 42 yards
(14:49) 32-K.Drake right end pushed ob at DEN 47 for 5 yards
pats
1-10-NE 45
(13:03) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake left end to NE 48 for -3 yards
1-10-NE 11
(9:57) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake left tackle to NE 12 for -1 yards
1-10-MIA 40
(8:15) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake right guard to MIA 44 for 4 yards
1-10-NE 32
(5:54) 32-K.Drake left tackle to NE 26 for 6 yards
1-10-MIA 48
(2:05) 32-K.Drake up the middle to NE 47 for 5 yards (44-J.Freeny; 23-P.Chung). PENALTY on MIA-51-M.Pouncey, Offensive Holding, 10 yards,
1-10-MIA 14
(11:11) 32-K.Drake right end to MIA 17 for 3 yards
1-10-NE 29
(11:53) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake left end to NE 25 for 4 yards
1-10-MIA 18
(9:04) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake right tackle to MIA 19 for 1 yard
(7:44) 32-K.Drake right tackle to NE 49 for 3 yards
1-10-NE 35
(5:38) 32-K.Drake right end to NE 4 for 31 yards
1-10-MIA 25
(2:46) 32-K.Drake up the middle to MIA 31 for 6 yards
1-10-MIA 28
(10:26) 32-K.Drake left tackle to MIA 37 for 9 yards
1-10-MIA 41
(8:58) 32-K.Drake right end to MIA 45 for 4 yards
1-10-MIA 38
(7:05) 32-K.Drake up the middle to MIA 41 for 3 yards
1-10-MIA 29
(4:23) 32-K.Drake up the middle to MIA 30 for 1 yard
1-10-MIA 40
(2:53) 32-K.Drake left tackle to MIA 38 for -2 yards
bills
1-10-MIA 36
(9:39) (No Huddle) 32-K.Drake up the middle to MIA 34 for -2 yards
1-10-BUF 48
(6:32) 32-K.Drake up the middle to BUF 44 for 4 yards
1-10-MIA 17
(:36) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake right tackle to MIA 36 for 19 yards
1-10-BUF 38
(12:51) 32-K.Drake up the middle to BUF 33 for 5 yards
1-10-BUF 27
(10:44) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake right guard to BUF 30 for -3 yards
1-10-MIA 24
(5:57) 32-K.Drake left tackle to MIA 24 for no gain
1-10-MIA 39
(4:03) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake right end to MIA 34 for -5 yards
1-10-MIA 25
(5:40) 32-K.Drake up the middle to MIA 24 for -1 yards
1-35-MIA 23
(13:56) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake left tackle to MIA 35 for 12 yards 1st and 35
1-10-BUF 13
(9:32) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake right guard to BUF 3 for 10 yards
1-10-MIA 43
chiefs
(13:58) 32-K.Drake up the middle to MIA 47 for 4 yards
1-10-MIA 25
(9:40) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake left guard to MIA 27 for 2 yards
1-10-KC 43
(7:26) 32-K.Drake right guard to KC 38 for 5 yards
1-10-MIA 25
(13:00) 32-K.Drake up the middle to MIA 31 for 6 yards
1-10-KC 33
(10:25) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake right end to KC 15 for 18 yards
1-10-MIA 29
(1:43) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake up the middle to MIA 30 for 1 yard
1-10-MIA 25
(10:24) 32-K.Drake up the middle to MIA 19 for -6 yards
1-10-MIA 29
(3:39) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake up the middle to MIA 33 for 4 yards (59-R.Ragland).
1-10-KC 16
(10:53) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake up the middle to KC 15 for 1 yard
bills
1-10-MIA 25
(15:00) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake up the middle to MIA 22 for -3 yards
1-10-MIA 36
(9:40) 32-K.Drake left guard pushed ob at BUF 32 for 32 yards
1-10-MIA 30
(9:23) 32-K.Drake up the middle to MIA 35 for 5 yards
1-10-MIA 22
(2:02) (Shotgun) 32-K.Drake left end to MIA 26 for 4 yards
1-10-BUF 27
(4:13) 32-K.Drake right end to BUF 21 for 6 yards
1-10-BUF 16
(3:20) 32-K.Drake left guard to BUF 18 for -2 yards
1-10-BUF 27
(8:30) 32-K.Drake up the middle to BUF 23 for 4 yards
Awesome. Thanks. I started to do something similar last night and got bored.
please let me know what his avg is with runs under 10 yards, i may have made a mistake as i was scrambling to put this together
I just saw this. Yes it’s 1.97
The Eye doen’t lie….trust the EYE!
Rob, he had 33 out of 59 running plays that went for 3+ yds, and that doesn’t even include his 18 big runs on 1st down in just 8 games. Those aren’t bad numbers at all when considering how bad our offense was.
he had 8 big runs and 59 runs below 10 yards, I didn’t count the penalies by Pouncy as those runs were called back, they dont count as a run or the yardage.
1.96 YPC leaving us with 2nd and 8 on avg
I just tallied up the 3+ yd runs total based on the splits you just posted, and I left the runs of 10 or more out. I might be off 1 or 2, but the number of runs with 3 or more yards I came up with is 33.
forget 3 or more, anything under 10 including negative yardage, what was our avg yards to gain on 2nd down?????
Average doesn’t help because if he has just one 6 yd loss, that then negates three 4 yd runs in this analysis. It’s much more accurate to list splits of good runs vs bad runs IMO.
What you’re saying is if on our 1st drive he gets -6, then the next three drives he gets 4 yds each time on 1st. then because his average is 1.5 yds that makes him a bad 1st down back even though 75% of the time he gets us in good down and distance.
Averaging when we have the actual splits is manipulating the data IMO. It’s the same thing as using his big runs to skew the average, just in reverse.
So his average on runs under 10 yards on 1st down is 1.96 yet on 56% of his runs he put us in good down and distance.
whats the avg he left us in 2nd down, that tells if he has the power to run btwn the tackles, good pwr RB’s/teams usually always gain yardage, be it 1 or 2 yards it’s tough to stuff them for losses so negative yards count.
and the other 44% we’re left with unattainable situations, That’s not good!
To be honest, I don’t know what the standard across the league is, so I can’t say whether this is a good stats or bad stat. What I can do is compare it to a true power back, Ajayi, and behind the same line, he put is in unattainable situations slightly more often than Drake.
And by the stats Phelon posted, Ajayi was even worse, Rob. The problem was the oline, not the backs.
i’m not so sure Ajayi was bad, Phelons stats are basic and do not reflect true power numbers
I still can’t verify the numbers so I am going off earlier posts, but the best way to tell is by doing the same thing with Ajayi you did with Drake. I started last night at the beginning of the year so I have a couple of games. I will do Ajayis splits through Baltimore (that is when he left, right?). Then we can tell for certain which back left us in 2nd and long more often.
great cant wait, you may want to do 2016 to get a good differential in the 2.
He was under the bus in the Balt game and Moore started, may not truly reflect his numbers, he only had 13 carries in that game.
7 games prior would be good as well in 2017
What I remember most about o17’s first and ten situations was that what seemed like half the time
It was first & 20 due to penalty…
GOFINS!!!
It was a bad season in a lot of ways so I’m not too concerned about last year. I think we’ll be a much better team this year.
Yea, like u suggested, “”throw away o17″” Unparraled!!
However it’s spelt 😱
The national writers(media), which shit on the Phins regularly, have a higher appreciation of Drake. Why?
They trust theirs eyes. 😉
Drake is phenomenal…..but not on 1st down early
See above. I’ll post Ajayi’s 1st down splits in their entirety so we can close this chapter, lol.
Heard on radio that Gase is the second most likely to get fired early to
Hugh Jackson (huge action), forgot the odds…
PLEASE ALREADY, THAT WOULD BE THE DUMBEST WE’VE EVVEEERRR DONE!!!
GOFINS!!!
Take that bet. I place the chances at 0.00 fucking percent. If I was anywhere near a betting we do I will put $1000 down right now.
He problem with this “but not on first down” rhetoric is that it is moot. Robb is never going to get what he wants as long as Adam Gase is coach. Gase is on record saying he doesn’t like subbing backs in a drive. He wants his backs to play all 3 drowns in a series or drive.
ocalarob says:
June 21, 2018 at 4:46 pm
great cant wait, you may want to do 2016 to get a good differential in the 2.
He was under the bus in the Balt game and Moore started, may not truly reflect his numbers, he only had 13 carries in that game.
7 games prior would be good as well in 2017
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It was a different oline and different team in 2016. That would skew the data. How can you possibly compare anything he did that year with what happened in 2017? Was Ajayi a different person? No, but his oline sure was. Again that is data manipulation.
Speaking honestly, to me it seems you want to add those because you know the data will prove the backs had pretty similar results, and by adding those games it will inflate Ajayi’s numbers.
And if you start making excuses for why Ajayi may have been ineffective this game or that game it becomes way too subjective. For example, Drake had Fales in the Buffalo game. Fales put up a whopping 3 points in the 1st 3 quarters, yet Drake still put up good numbers that game. I could say why couldn’t Ajayi do the same with a seasoned backup that Drake did with a 1st time starting backup? And on and on. Do we want to get into a tit for tat with opinions some more?
I thought we were just looking at 1st down numbers, not trying to explain poor, average, or great performances. Yah?
And just like that RobKong Sports Analytics was born. Years later after PFF went the way or MySpace upon the arrival of FaceBook the millionaire partners would look back upon their days as loser bloggers on a loser football team’s fan blog and laugh. To think this all started as an argument about which player was better for a losing team.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If we get paid to do it, I’d team up Rob in an instant to argue this shit all day and/or come up with an analysis system.
EBA – Eye of the Beholder Analytics
Gotta give credit for ORob for controlling the news cycle at least…. and a bunch of you guys keep it going.
I ask “what is this 3 safety scheme they talk about that seems a new trend and we might do” and crickets. And we have 3 good safeties.
Controlling……
“The prefix con-, which means “with” or “thoroughly,” appears in numerous English vocabulary words, for example: connect, consensus, and conclude. An easy way to remember that the prefix con means “with” is through the word connect, or join “with.””
And please dont get angry with me Rob im just playing along and busting balls like everyone else 🙂
D — A good explanation there, even if never saw it coming. A wordsmith chop shop specialist you are. 🙂
Or the actual Spanish word con that translates to with, both taken from Latin.
made to deal with TEs or multiple TE sets, Lbers too slow and a CB is too light….thus they put a safety on them
we’re good D
LOL@ Rock,,, No Kong, I don’t want to skew anything, as tom cruise once said..
.I WANT THE TRUTH!
just do 2017
Lol, cheers, bro.
It would be nice to see Gores 2016 numbers though… that might settle the debate on who the starting tailback will be
Rockphin says:
June 21, 2018 at 4:57 pm
Robb is never going to get what he wants as long as Adam Gase is coach.
Reply
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Then Gase will never get what he wants….a winning football team
we went 4-3 in the first 7 games so it would stand to reason that Ajayis runs of less then 10 yards are better YPC than Drakes
It is better, but not significantly. It’s kind of crazy how similar there number are actually.
San Diego
1st and 10 at MIA 18
(13:25 – 1st) (Shotgun) J.Ajayi up the middle to MIA 24 for 6 yards (M.Ingram).
1st and 10 at MIA 38
(11:24 – 1st) J.Ajayi left end to MIA 38 for no gain (D.Philon).
1st and 10 at MIA 12
(3:33 – 1st) J.Ajayi left end to MIA 20 for 8 yards (T.Boston, J.Brown).
1st and 10 at MIA 17
(13:35 – 2nd) J.Ajayi right tackle to MIA 19 for 2 yards (J.Bosa).
1st and 10 at MIA 47
(10:52 – 2nd) J.Ajayi left end pushed ob at MIA 46 for -1 yards (T.Palepoi).
1st and 10 at MIA 34
(4:54 – 2nd) (Shotgun) J.Ajayi up the middle to MIA 37 for 3 yards (H.Pullard, J.Brown).
1st and 10 at MIA 36
(14:24 – 3rd) J.Ajayi left tackle to MIA 43 for 7 yards (M.Ingram). PENALTY on LAC-T.Boston, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at MIA 43
1st and 10 at LAC 29
(12:47 – 3rd) (Shotgun) J.Ajayi up the middle to LAC 29 for no gain (C.Liuget).
1st and 10 at MIA 23
(8:13 – 3rd) J.Ajayi right tackle to MIA 26 for 3 yards (D.Philon, H.Pullard).
1st and 10 at MIA 34
(7:13 – 3rd) J.Ajayi right end to MIA 33 for -1 yards (J.Addae).
1st and 10 at MIA 19
(13:33 – 4th) (Shotgun) J.Ajayi up the middle to MIA 26 for 7 yards (T.Palepoi).
1st and 10 at MIA 49
(3:02 – 4th) (Shotgun) J.Ajayi right tackle to LAC 41 for 10 yards (D.King, J.Brown).
1st and 10 at LAC 41
(2:18 – 4th) (Shotgun) J.Ajayi right tackle to LAC 39 for 2 yards (C.Hayward).
Jets #1
1st and 10 at MIA 46
(12:24 – 1st) J.Ajayi left end to MIA 44 for -2 yards (Ja.Adams). MIA-J.Ajayi was injured during the play.
1st and 10 at MIA 9
(0:57 – 1st) (Shotgun) J.Ajayi left tackle to MIA 13 for 4 yards (B.Skrine).
1st and 10 at MIA 15
(4:06 – 2nd) J.Ajayi right tackle to MIA 17 for 2 yards (M.Wilkerson).
1st and 10 at MIA 29
(1:08 – 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) J.Ajayi up the middle to MIA 33 for 4 yards (D.Lee).
Saints
1st and 10 at MIA 15
(14:52 – 1st) (Shotgun) J.Ajayi left guard to MIA 15 for no gain (A.Klein).
1st and 10 at MIA 43
(12:20 – 1st) J.Ajayi right tackle to NO 42 for 15 yards (M.Williams).
1st and 10 at NO 45
(9:24 – 1st) J.Ajayi right guard to NO 41 for 4 yards (A.Okafor).
Titans
1st and 10 at MIA 3
(6:16 – 1st) J.Ajayi left tackle to MIA 7 for 4 yards (J.Casey).
1st and 10 at TEN 26
(1:52 – 1st) J.Ajayi right guard to TEN 23 for 3 yards (S.Williams).
1st and 10 at MIA 13
(12:42 – 2nd) J.Ajayi right tackle to MIA 22 for 9 yards (W.Woodyard).
1st and 10 at MIA 21
(2:43 – 2nd) J.Ajayi left tackle to MIA 25 for 4 yards (A.Johnson).
1st and 10 at MIA 20
(14:55 – 3rd) J.Ajayi right end to MIA 18 for -2 yards (J.Casey).
1st and 10 at TEN 47
(15:00 – 4th) J.Ajayi right guard to TEN 39 for 8 yards (A.Williamson).
1st and 10 at TEN 20
(13:19 – 4th) J.Ajayi up the middle to TEN 18 for 2 yards (A.Williamson).
1st and Goal at TEN 5
(11:18 – 4th) (Shotgun) J.Ajayi right guard to TEN 6 for -1 yards (K.Byard). TEN-W.Woodyard was injured during the play. His return is Questionable.
1st and 10 at MIA 29
(9:15 – 4th) J.Ajayi left end to MIA 31 for 2 yards (B.Orakpo).
1st and 10 at MIA 22
(2:51 – 4th) J.Ajayi right guard to MIA 25 for 3 yards (B.Orakpo).
1st and 10 at MIA 33
(2:06 – 4th) J.Ajayi right guard to MIA 38 for 5 yards (D.Morgan).
Falcons
1st and 10 at MIA 25
(8:48 – 1st) J.Ajayi left end to MIA 29 for 4 yards (D.Shelby; D.Campbell).
1st and 10 at MIA 23
(1:37 – 1st) J.Ajayi left tackle ran ob at MIA 38 for 15 yards (D.Jones).
1st and 10 at MIA 38
(1:03 – 1st) J.Ajayi right end to MIA 43 for 5 yards (K.Neal).
1st and 10 at ATL 48
(14:56 – 2nd) J.Ajayi right guard to ATL 42 for 6 yards (D.Campbell; D.Jones).
1st and 10 at MIA 44
(11:42 – 2nd) J.Ajayi right tackle to MIA 43 for -1 yards (D.Trufant; A.Clayborn).
1st and 10 at MIA 25
(5:24 – 2nd) J.Ajayi left guard to MIA 29 for 4 yards (D.Jones).
1st and 10 at ATL 41
(2:29 – 2nd) J.Ajayi right guard to ATL 37 for 4 yards (D.Jones).
1st and 10 at MIA 25
(14:56 – 3rd) J.Ajayi left guard to MIA 28 for 3 yards (B.Reed).
1st and 10 at ATL 26
(9:56 – 3rd) J.Ajayi right tackle to ATL 23 for 3 yards (D.Jones; G.Jarrett).
1st and 10 at ATL 14
(7:13 – 3rd) J.Ajayi left end to ATL 16 for -2 yards (D.Jones; R.Alford).
1st and 10 at ATL 24
(2:59 – 3rd) J.Ajayi right guard to ATL 23 for 1 yard (D.Riley).
1st and 10 at ATL 11
(2:09 – 3rd) J.Ajayi left guard to ATL 7 for 4 yards (D.Riley; B.Reed).
1st and 10 at MIA 48
(11:35 – 4th) J.Ajayi left end to ATL 48 for 4 yards (B.Reed; D.Riley).
1st and 10 at ATL 48
(6:09 – 4th) J.Ajayi right tackle to ATL 30 for 18 yards (R.Allen).
1st and 10 at ATL 19
(3:21 – 4th) J.Ajayi left tackle to ATL 19 for no gain (D.Shelby; G.Jarrett).
Jets #2
1st and 10 at 50
(12:23 – 1st) J.Ajayi left tackle to MIA 49 for -1 yards (S.McLendon).
1st and 10 at MIA 28
(9:13 – 1st) J.Ajayi right tackle to MIA 24 for -4 yards (Ja.Adams).
1st and 20 at MIA 34
(15:00 – 2nd) (Shotgun) J.Ajayi right guard to MIA 37 for 3 yards (D.Davis).
1st and 10 at MIA 42
(9:26 – 2nd) J.Ajayi right tackle to MIA 44 for 2 yards (J.Martin).
1st and 14 at NYJ 32
(7:56 – 2nd) J.Ajayi left end pushed ob at NYJ 31 for 1 yard (D.Lee). PENALTY on NYJ-D.Lee, Face Mask (15 Yards), 15 yards, enforced at NYJ 31.
1st and 10 at MIA 5
(2:44 – 2nd) J.Ajayi up the middle to MIA 7 for 2 yards (D.Davis; M.Wilkerson).
1st and 10 at MIA 22
(14:56 – 3rd) (Shotgun) J.Ajayi right guard to MIA 28 for 6 yards (D.Lee).
1st and 10 at NYJ 44
(6:42 – 3rd) J.Ajayi right tackle to NYJ 41 for 3 yards (D.Lee).
1st and 10 at MIA 40
(1:16 – 3rd) (Shotgun) J.Ajayi right guard to MIA 45 for 5 yards (D.Lee).
1st and 10 at MIA 25
(3:51 – 4th) J.Ajayi left tackle to MIA 25 for no gain (M.Wilkerson).
1st and 10 at NYJ 27
(0:39 – 4th) J.Ajayi left guard to NYJ 30 for -3 yards (S.McLendon).
Baltimore
1st and 10 at MIA 41
(14:18 – 1st) (Shotgun) J.Ajayi up the middle to MIA 39 for -2 yards (L.Webb).
1st and 10 at MIA 9
(10:03 – 1st) J.Ajayi right guard to MIA 6 for -3 yards (B.Williams).
1st and 10 at MIA 16
(5:23 – 1st) (Shotgun) J.Ajayi left guard to MIA 20 for 4 yards (P.Onwuasor).
1st and 10 at MIA 25
(13:16 – 2nd) J.Ajayi left guard to MIA 26 for 1 yard (C.Davis).
1st and 10 at MIA 27
(7:11 – 2nd) (Shotgun) J.Ajayi up the middle to MIA 27 for no gain (M.Pierce).
1st and 10 at MIA 25
(1:56 – 2nd) (Shotgun) J.Ajayi right guard to MIA 24 for -1 yards (M.Judon).
1st and 10 at MIA 9
(12:11 – 3rd) J.Ajayi right guard to MIA 10 for 1 yard (B.Williams).
Seriously Cav? But guess it ‘Tis the offseason.
Seriously, Stang? What’s the big deal? We’re in the doldrums, as I said above. Do you want to talk about how awesome our secondary is going to be instead.
I said I would do this so the numbers I post below can be verified if necessary. Rob did the legwork on Drake. I returned the favor. It’s a pain in the ass to put this together.
Love you Cav…..but sometimes think about what the board looks like when someone stops in, but congrats for all the work. And by ‘Tis the offseason meant it was not a big deal. Sorry if was not clear.
Love you too, Stang.
You’re a good dude, and I mean this honestly without rancor, but come on, man. This board is dominated by different things, and different people, at different times. When I come across the board and I’m bored with the convo, I either start a different one or I come back later. It’s June, not much new is happening. Rob and I are arguing…civilly.
Already said not a big deal. But all those game by game stat posts are making me crazy…..simple as that. And I was quite polite about it while saying. Just my 2 cents.
I’m sorry that a post can bother you that much, but they were part of our discussion. You were polite about showing your annoyance which is appreciated. We should be done with the game stats now.
Just always try to think about the community, and maybe to a fault at times. We all have our burdens to bear in life. Just sharing what I thought in as civil a manner as could. But with that said….keep going with it if need be.
Ok here we go. I used the same methodology you used Rob. I counted 1st down runs under 10 yds, and tallied the big runs separately.
It’s kind of crazy how similar these numbers are. Full disclosure my norco has kicked in and I feel kinda goofy, so it IS possible my numbers might be off by 1 or 2 but I am confident they are pretty accurate:
Number of runs under 10 yards: Drake 59, Ajayi 59
Total yards on under 10 yd runs: Drake 116, Ajayi 138
Average on runs under 10: Drake 1.97, Ajayi 2.34
Runs of 3+ (excluding 10+): Drake 33, Ajayi 30
Percentage of runs leaving team in 2nd and 7 or less: Drake 56%, Ajayi 51%
Big runs: Drake 8, Ajayi 4
These numbers are extremely similar.
Drake left us in a better 2nd down 56% of the time to Ajayi’s 51%, the difference is only 3 over 8 games.
Ajayi averaged .4 more in the times both backs failed to hit the 3 yd mark. The difference is only 22 yds over 8 games (that is less than 3 yds a game difference).
To me these numbers are pretty much a wash. They are remarkably close, and to me, this data speaks volumes about the quality, or lack thereof, of our oline and QB play.
We have a bigger sample size of Ajayi because we know what he did in 2016. We know he can handle the load. We don’t know that Drake can yet, but (and this is really all I’m arguing) based on the numbers they both put up, we have every reason to be hopeful about Drake, especially with Gore as our true power back for those short yd and goal to go situations.
Anyway, I’m calling it a day. May be on later. Once again, it’s been fun, Rob. 😊
I just saw my emoji. WTF is that? I typed a smiley face. I’m not blushing like a virgin bride.
We kind of have a new OL and a new TE group so until we see how they perform in the run game all the stats from the last two years don’t really matter. LOL
And two new RBs too. Plus what thinking will be a very different O scheme. I’m real interested to see what they do with all the new pieces, especially Gesicki.
Yep I think we’ll see more passes thrown to the backs than in the past, that started when we traded Ajayi. Gesicki will get his snaps and likely a lot in the red zone. But I don’t think the offense will change in concept, just utilizing different skills sets differently.
Say we’re inside the 20, Gesicki, Parker, another WR, an inline TE and a RB. All will be options in the pass game. We need to take advantage of Gesicki and Parker’s height, catch radius and vertical ability. That could be what changes the dynamic of the entire offense.
And especially the backs we have with our new TE hitting the seam. Should be space in the middle for guys like Drake, Ballage, Wilson and Grant to play with.
No doubt who the two height targets in the redzone will be.
Gore and Amendola too.
Oye…..just got home from the airport.
I’m not a professional statistician, but I did have to take the courses for my degree. A couple of points:
First you have to establish what your standard of goo is. For purposes of 1st down efficiency, I decided 4+ was good, < 3 was bad. The logic is 3-3 yd runs doesn’t get you a 1st down, but 3-4 yd runs do.
Second, you have to use all the numbers, big runs and negative runs or you skew your results to the negative. You can eliminate penalty plays, but that would probably skew the numbers in the RB’s favor. Like the damn dirty ape said, averages aren’t the best way to analyze – too general. What they do say is that 49% of the time Drake left them with a 2nd and 6 or better on 1st down running plays. Ajayi’s was slightly worse.
I also did not include 1st down passing plays to the RB. To truly gauge efficacy, those would need to be factored as they are a big part of the game.
None this determines “power back” status. Only the “eye” test can do that. It does show overall efficiency. I think Full Backs are power backs.
Finally, I was working off my phone while drinking beer, so I could have miscounted some things slightly. Now that I’m home with a computer and multiple screens, I’ll take another look. Maybe I’ll do a whole post..
Passing or runs 10 yards and more do not reflect power running, scat backs are suppose to get chunk yardage
Penalties by the offense don’t count as yardage or attempts
the question is what are we left with on 2nd down yards to gain for a first?
Great Stats Kong, Ajayi almost a half yard better, and because of 2016 every DC was game planning him,
DC’s had to look at the fan program guide to figure out who Drake was
That .4 yd amounted to less than 3 yds a game difference, which is negligible.
I can’t argue that teams didn’t gameplan for Ajayi, I’m sure they did, but 2nd and long is 2nd and long no matter how you get there, and Drake and Ajayi were almost in a dead heat when it came to that.
I bet Ajayis 2016 is somewhere around 3.5 YPC Power Stats
Charles Krauthammer did pass away today as he said he didn’t have long to live. RIP
What a good guy….and what an exceptional one.
No such as “power stats” unless you can define the criteria. Do that and I’ll crunch the numbers.
The criteria is simple, 1st down plays only, leave out runs 10 yards and more as they result in 1st downs, no passing plays as this is about running the football. leave out any penalties yards and attempts.
Total yards divided by total attempts
we need to know the avg yards gained on 1st and what that leaves us to gain on 2nd and 3rd
be nice to know what Gore avg last year at Indy??? i’m thinking 3+ yards per carry.
Drake 1.9
Ajayi 2.3
Gore ???
Stang,
I reread my posts to you including the last one. Sorry for the tone. You really only displayed mild annoyance. I could have just left it at that, but I am in full argue mode, lol. We should be done with the game stats.
We all get going at times. But a real stupid move is to try to break up a dog fight. Know that in my mind, but still have tried to do that many a time. 🙂
I can’t wait till we get to have a beer and watch a game together, and I get to meet the Florida bunch plus attendees. I’ll get down there one of these fests.
Cheers, bro.
Oh, and to Rob, I hustled pool for money for a number of years, and used to play and have a name in Northern California pool tournaments. I can’t wait to play some pool with ya. Do you prefer 8-ball or 9-ball?
either
Stangers very good at pool
Oh, I didn’t realize you play too, Stanger. Do you have a preference of 8 or 9?
I played more 9 ball than 8, and I prefer it, but I love 8 ball too.
I’m just a bar table hack around guy no matter what ORob says, but do enjoy playing. That means 8 ball. We’ve been playing pool night before the Fest game for years now. You show up at sounds like you will have to spot the guys that thought they were the studs before a ball or two.
I’ll chime in on the power back thing. Ajayi wasn’t really a power back like say Blount smashing into the line, in fact he wasn’t that productive doing that. His damage was mostly done at the 2nd level when LBs didn’t have a good angle on him and he would punish DBs. Our running scheme isn’t a power scheme, it’s a zone system. We also run a lot out of shotgun which are basically counter draw plays.
I’m not really even sure what you guys are trying to accomplish with these stats. Every down is about overall execution. It has nothing to do with power backing. You either block it or you don’t.
I think it is more like a bar bet. Like who was better…… Mickey Mantle or Willie Mays.
Actually that is kind of the point I was making. I’m just pulling stats from both backs based on what Rob sees as relevant data, and showing they had similar results. They are both good backs with different styles, and both were hampered by substandard oline and QB play. It shows throughout the year regardless of which back was behind center.
With the ultimate point being, Drake is going to be a good back for us. Going from A to Z is where it gets murky, lol.
True, but they both ran the same plays in the system and none of it was about power back stuff. Sure Ajayi was a bit more physical and reckless abandon in style, where Drake is quicker and faster. But it was the same plays. It still comes down to blocking, not running over a DT which rarely happens. ORob seems to be in Csonka mode when he was as big as some DEs and bigger than most LBs. That’s not the case as much anymore, it’s rare.
lol, I’m not arguing with what you’re saying.
Reading the comments today
lol, you were being hunted by a panther?
I didn’t even see here there
Pork chop threat! Sound the 🚨
lol
I want a RB that gets 10+ yards on 1st down. You can call him whateve kind of RB you want.
Think we all would like ten per carry on average, but would still have to be the right kind of back. Can he guarantee five or more? 🙂
This stat is very relevant,
The whole team is affected by what they do on 1st down.
when you have 1st and 5 the playbook is wide open, DC’s…DE’s…Lbers….safetys… the whole defense is frozen on where they should play.
should they come up and play run??? play deeper and play pass, where are the QBs keys? such as how deep are the LBers and DBs? most likely they will come up because you are having success running the ball, so you pass on them.
then you have success in all facets as your D is resting while you pick up 1st downs
On the other hand 2nd and long….The DBs and LBers are deep as more than likely you will pass which makes passing tougher and the odds are you won’t get the 1st go 3 and out and your D is gassed.
1st down success is key!
Okay but that’s about overall execution. The plan is to be in 3rd and manageable.
Kong, this is how our see our new backfield.
Drake 6-1 211 – solid size, quick, fast and a natural receiver.
Gore 5-9 212 – low to the ground duck and dodge type runner and a natural receiver.
Ballage 6-3 229 – big back, more fast than quick and a natural receiver.
Each guy is going to be a bit different for opponents. I like the mix.
I am really excited about this backfield. It has the potential to be multiple threat in a way we haven’t seen since Ricky and Ronny. I still haven’t checked out Ballage, but everyone seems high on him. I have watched Gore his whole career, and he’s a stud. And Drake showed us a ton of potential last year, so heck yeah!
it takes more energy to play D as these guys have to react to what the offense is doing, the longer you keep your D off the field the better chance you have of winning
Yes, the passing game can also do that – vertical, bunch screens and out of the backfield. You have the defense running all over the place and we have a lot of speed. Then the running game. It all starts up front.
By having a rotation on D, WR, TE, and RB it gives young guys a chance to get up to speed without much pressure to perform, so I expect a lot from the young guys this year.
We have to have that. Do your job when your # is called. I think that’s the key to Gase’s turnover of personnel. He wants that over me guys.
Kong, here you go.
Who is that rap guy ‘singing the lyrics’? LOL 😉
You? 🙂
LOL @ Tim!!!
https://giphy.com/gifs/rip-tupac-2pac-c51u3TvA5PfOM
Tupac is still living in my basement, STILL making new music!!! 😀
I can see why KV13 says he reminds him of Eric Dickerson. He has a very upright style of running and has speed for his size.
Dickerson was on another level. He was the next wave of that back who played for the Bills back in the 70’s.
Eric Dickerson was a stud. I’m not saying Ballage is the next Dickerson, lol. I said Ballage runs like him with that upright running style. Not sure what Dickerson you’re talking about since Eric Dickerson played for the Rams, lol.
Also the Colts.
and he played in the 80’s.
And always fell forward despite running high,
So tall that he’d get his hips up under the defenders pads for leverage rather than his shoulders or head..
Like Knight suggested when I first mentioned it,
“””He ran like a horse”””
Who wants to take on a horse in full stride??
Gotta duck and hope to trip or tangle his feet,
Hence the horses hips knock you back into yesterday!!!
See a bunch of Leveon Bell in Drake too!!!
GOFINS!!!
On the video of Ballage that Tim posted above… go to 2:13. I was confused for a second… what, who is this Tillman running the ball on a Ballage highlight video? That was a tribute to the late Pat Tillman… AWESOME!!! 🙂
M13. I like some of the music Tupac did just wish he would have and others got out of that gangster lifestyle. There is too much violence, loss of life and sadness.
Like Dr. Dre, he was all for the message of injustice, but the violence was bullshit on all levels.
From your mouth to my ears, THAT’S REAL, Bro.
The ‘gangsta’ movement went way too far, and far too many lost their lives over as much… VERY saddening.
LOVE this song!!!
CavKong,
Yes, I can see some comparisons to Eric Dickerson when it comes to Ballage with that upright running style. Eddie George, too.
What is the knock on Ballage? Why did he last until the 4th rd?
I honestly don’t have the answer to that, man. I could hypothesize that it’s because he came from Arizona State, it was a loaded RB class, or there’s something out there that we (fans) don’t know about.
I think he’s going to be a STUD for us!
To elaborate, NFL teams DO hire private investigators to check on (certain?) players. If something came up regarding Ballage’s past, that could account for why he fell to the 4th round.
I really don’t know why he fell, and that’s a very good question, CavKong.
Early locker room issues, overcame that but is viewed as lacking instincts and more athlete than football guy. Not sure that’s accurate.
Well, hopefully we got a steal then. 🙂
I guess even if he does need some development, he’s in a good RB room to do it in with Gore there to show him the ropes.
Hey MF, did you see my last two to you at 1:43/45 am when we were talkin
I did! Very cool! 🙂
😎 Yea pops was special loved his music too,
Lil funk, soul, blues and such, loved the horns,
Mark Islam was huge at the time, & Pee-Wee Ellis shredded the sax (my favorite), good lyrics too, pops was lead singer…
I couldn’t see (from phone) the special thanks to, & guest appearances, or even if that album included such
But I remember one of his albums including Muddy Walters, Etta James, Taj Mahal, and other highly recognizable that I cant recall off the top a my head from 40 years ago…
Sorry,
Fathers day was last week and been thinkin of/missing him!!!
When you said you produce Bay Area Music,
It brought a tidal wave of great memories & times with pops!!! 😎
Thanks for listening!!!
Kong, the original “Juice”.
Oh, I see what you were saying. I read it completely wrong.
lol, palm to face
Why are you still talking about 2Pac? LOL
Tupac was the star of the movie “Juice”. 🙂
CavalierKong says:
June 21, 2018 at 9:18 pm
I guess even if he does need some development, he’s in a good RB room to do it in with Gore there to show him the ropes.
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Absolutely agreed! And as far as I can tell, he does not need ‘more development’. If our O-Line is right, Ballage is going to ROCK… and sooner than later.
It seems like it keeps coming down to our oline, doesn’t it? Fingers crossed we have the pieces this year.
M13, I saw you mentioned my meeting E40, and yes he was a seriously cool cat. Humble and generous with his time. It was a very good experience.
Earl Stevens (E-40’s real name) seems to be a VERY good man by nearly all accounts. He’s one of the ‘BIG cat’ musicians/rappers in Cali that I’ve never had any kind of contact with… personal meeting, email, phone, Twitter, radio talk show, or otherwise.
I just think it’s VERY COOL that you met him, face to face! 🙂
The ‘Crestside’ of Vallejo knows me, but the ‘Hillside’ doesn’t… at least that I KNOW of.
CavKong,
If ya didn’t already know, E-40 and Terrell Davis (keeping it football!) are GOOD friends! They’ve been friends for a very long time, and well before Terrell went into the NFL HOF.
I didn’t know that. Pretty cool.
Now if I could only get on Jeopardy!, and have a category like ‘1990’s West Coast music’ come up… I’d RUN THE BOARD! LOL 🙂
Juice… I’ve got enuf to go around
Eric B. & Rakim, baby!!! LOVE that song!!!
Ballage reminds me a bit of Ronnie Brown with the Wildcat except not a #2 pick.
BOOM… I was kind of thinking the same thing. Like Ronnie, Ballage seems to scan the field quickly, and then find his hole.
Unfortunately, Ronnie became a ‘dancer’ over time, due to the major regression of our O-Line.
I can’t say it ENOUGH… if our O-Line is good, our RBs will THRIVE… as Ronnie once did.
Ballage (an RB historian) said that Ronnie was one of his all time favorites, even though to the next question he replied, “”no I never saw the Ronnie breakout game”””/WC demolishing of the pats…
Said he’d have to check that out!!!
Liked Ronnie but felt like he didn’t have great vision or instincts..
From the WC I’ve seen of Ballage, his vision, instincts,
play disection, burst, speed, balance, & power are superior…
Ronnie was quicker/better moves that Ballage don’t need cuz he reads, reacts, hits the hole that much faster with better balance & power (if need be), while a lot of folks seem to bounce off of him, (he’s a beast), quite the physical specimen!!!
GOFINS!!!
Our QB situation could be worse!
What you need to find is the number of drives that stalled as a result of a run on first down under 3 yards. If you get a first down who cares what happens on a previous play.
we have to have manageable 2nd down situations, when you don’t have a running game that can get you 4 or 5 yards on 1st down…and if you end up with negative or very little yardage on a running play the percentages of converting a 1st down decrease.
not to say you can’t pick it up but you want to increase your odds by advancing the ball as far as you can on 1st down.
“The criteria is simple, 1st down plays only, leave out runs 10 yards and more as they result in 1st downs, no passing plays as this is about running the football. leave out any penalties yards and attempts.”
You can’t just leave out runs of 10+ yards.. That invalidates the measure. A 10+ yard run is as relevant as a 1 yard run. What if the 10 yard run is off tackle and the RB breaks a tackle at the line? Is that not a “power” run?
You could plot them out on a bell curve and eliminate the highest and the lowest data points, but I don’t know what that gets you.
he had 8 runs of 10+ yards since the Oak game.
he had 59 runs that didn’t break 10 yards
normally runs under 10 yards meets resistance early, and over 10 yards doesn’t…not to say he won’t break a tackle early and go for a big run but for the most part when he breaks off 32 yards he goes untouched early and he jukes his way thru the D which the type of RB he is he should be able to do that.
but what happens when he doesn’t break one? what happens when he gets hit early?
what kind of avg position does he put our offense in on 2nd down.
this is critical, to have a balanced offense you have to be able to gain yardage on 1st down.
he avg’d 1.96 yards on 1st down in those 59 runs.
so if you were to take this criteria and apply it to other RBs you would know who gives you the best tough yards on 1st down, or who is the better more physical RB
to add the long runs skews his power YPC.
say he runs the ball 10 times for 20 yards and then breaks one for 90…..well he gained 110 yard on 11 carries avging 10 YPC. …..does that make him a good power back? he certainly avg’d 10 YPC but his stats are skewed and don’t reflect his real ability to run btwn the tackles
of all his runs 84% did not go 10 yards….the question is MR RB…. what kind of avg distance to get a first will you give me on 2nd down???
if you don’t give me enough yardage on 1st down my offense then becomes predictable on 2nd down forcing me to become un balanced…. a recipe for losing games.
Who did these crappy Magic draft?
ER,
One more for the “Juice” soundtrack, bud! Pac is in the house on this video shoot. He and Treach were VERY good friends…
And for those who saw and listened to my 9:02 PM post tonight (Elton John), here’s what 2Pac did with it. VERY sweet!!! Lyrics on screen for those who can’t understand the words, LOL…
I’ll check it out but know that most of Elton John’s lyrics were written by Bernie Taupin. Elton wrote the music on piano – gifted pianist and singer.
I got into Elton at like age 8/9 in 73/74.
This is one of my favorite less popular tunes off a great album.
Elton John is undoubtedly one of the most GIFTED musicians of our time. And here’s a fun little fact: Elton John played LIVE at Rush Limbaugh’s wedding, by Rush’s personal request.
I know Rush isn’t a saint, but he harbors NO ill will towards gays. In fact — and contrary to FAKE NEWS BS — he’s very cool with the gay community.
M13, Elton John is amazing. Great voice and piano playing. A very gifted musician. Some people just have it. He’s one of them.
The political part of it doesn’t matter to me.
You’re bringing back memories M…..
Man i’m getting old
$#!t, it’s not just YOU getting old, man! And I absolutely HEAR YA, Brother.
By the way… if I can bring back memories (hopefully GOOD ones), I’m doing my job! 🙂
13kvFINS says:
June 21, 2018 at 11:20 pm
Ballage (an RB historian) said that Ronnie was one of his all time favorites, even though to the next question he replied, “”no I never saw the Ronnie breakout game”””/WC demolishing of the pats…
Said he’d have to check that out!!!
Liked Ronnie but felt like he didn’t have great vision or instincts..
From the WC I’ve seen of Ballage, his vision, instincts,
play disection, burst, speed, balance, & power are superior…
Ronnie was quicker/better moves that Ballage don’t need cuz he reads, reacts, hits the hole that much faster with better balance & power (if need be), while a lot of folks seem to bounce off of him, (he’s a beast), quite the physical specimen!!!
GOFINS!!!
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QUITE correct. Ballage was asked about his running style, and his answer was Ronnie Brown… in a manner of speaking. Ballage REALLY liked Ronnie Brown!
Of course, he said he liked 39 too…
Man Csonka, fricken Rhinoceros
Dude ran like no other right the F over anybody & everbody!!!
Don’t know if it still stands, but forever he was the only RB in history
To get flagged for unnecessary roughness in the midst of a play, at full speed down the sidelines, forearm shivered defender to the throat, lifted him up, defenders legs followed in a whip like motion as he fell from the sky face first, and didn’t move for quite a bit..
Shula was cheering the flag till to his unbelievable surprise it was on 39..
Ohhh Shit, here’s a hundred or so 15 yard ejections from the new NFL!!!
Damnnn i miss real, old school football!!!
Was lookin for that Csonka play, but couldn’t deny of the above,
Talk about OUUCCCHHHH!!!
ZONK, GREATSTUFFF!!!
Gase should take the guys to a movie week,
Of all the great documentaries about The Miami Dolphins!!!
Think it would give’Em a true bond to the franchise, city, fans, as well as an understanding of the want it takes to be a great TEAM, and a more prominent desire to be the ones that return The Miami Dolphins to Glory!!!
There’s a lot to be learned from the only team in history of PERFECTION!!!
GOFINS!!!
Tim Knight says:
June 21, 2018 at 7:08 pm
I’ll chime in on the power back thing. Ajayi wasn’t really a power back like say Blount smashing into the line, in fact he wasn’t that productive doing that. His damage was mostly done at the 2nd level when LBs didn’t have a good angle on him and he would punish DBs. Our running scheme isn’t a power scheme, it’s a zone system. We also run a lot out of shotgun which are basically counter draw plays.
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That’s the same thing I saw, and why I can’t figure out why Rob keeps calling him a power back. He’s either getting 2 or less or threatening the back 7. He was never our short yardage guy.
When he hit the 2nd level he would get into beast mode, the same place Drake was running away from guys, so they’re basically the same back until they hit the next level, with the exception of Drake’s superior speed and pass catching.
We have the better back.
If you want the guy that’s getting you 4 yards on first down, then sign Blount, but if you want to challenge a D, Drake’s my first pick.
If I remember correctly, in 2016 Ajayi led the NFL at some point in yards after initial contact. The thing is, that happened when he was past the LOS. If he was hit in the backfield, he was stuffed, he needed some room to get moving, and then he was much harder to tackle.
Ajayi was great in 2016
in 2017 he still had a better avg leaving us with an avg of 7.7 yards to go on 2nd down vs Drakes 8.1 yards to go on 2nd down
been calculating Gores numbers, so far he looks much better than both
If they’re close I want the guy that can catch and has break away speed.
As well, you take the younger guy!!!
KONGS NUMBERS
Number of runs under 10 yards: Drake 59, Ajayi 59
Total yards on under 10 yd runs: Drake 116, Ajayi 138
Average on runs under 10: Drake 1.97, Ajayi 2.34
Runs of 3+ (excluding 10+): Drake 33, Ajayi 30
Percentage of runs leaving team in 2nd and 7 or less: Drake 56%, Ajayi 51%
Big runs: Drake 8, Ajayi 4
Interesting. So your numbers indicate that Drake left them in better field position more often than Ajayi (56% vs 51%) and had the added bonus of doubling Ajayi’s long runs.
Interesting. So your numbers indicate that Drake left them in better field position more often than Ajayi (56% vs 51%) and had the added bonus of doubling Ajayi’s long runs.
just a comparison btwn Drake…Ajayi and Gore
I like both backs equally, i just dont think its fair to say one is capable and the other isnt. Both have the capacity of being a power back, they can get the tough yardage if they just commit to punching it in. It isnt, however, either’s strength.
Both guys are one-cut runners, perfect for zone systems. Neither can afford to dance around at the OL and expect to be successful, thats just not who they are. Ajayi’s big let down came when he started doing that in 2017 and that’s pretty much what Gase said was his ultimate demise, that he took a off tackle and tried to turn it into a sweep losing yards when he could have just committed to punching it in the tiniest of running lane he was give and gotten 2-3. His power was capable of that, as is Drakes.
Drake is better getting around the corner on sweeps, Drake is better at receiving, Drake can exploit a seam better because he has better burst sped. Ajayi has better truckign ability, when he gets his head of steam he becomes very hard to bring down but he also doesn’t get that head of steam as fast.
I mean you can plus and minus them all day and what your going to come up with both are effective backs, with +’s and -‘s in either favor but as Mike said the argument really was ended a while back when Ajayi was traded, because ultimately no matter what pluses Ajayi had, those are pluses for a different team now. I do not consider Drake a scat back, i have watched him through college and into the pro’s and he has plenty of power running ability, but like Ajayi he wasn’t a “power back”. They are pretty similar runners to be honest, one just is better at breaking the seam clean and one is better at shaking off the initial contact and busting the seam.
Ballage also is not a power back, despite his size, he’s probably closer to scat back as we have on the team right now. Gore is the closest to a true power back because his running style is almost purely downhill and he will embrace punching the ball in and grinding out hard yards vs going to other tools in his bag.
Basically what Tim and I said, but we used a 1000 words less to do it 😉
We have a nice RB room IMO, the only downside to it is the age of Gore and this not being a room that will be together for a long span of time. We may want to commit to a RB day 2 next year and get ourselves a good next man up for when Drake’s contract comes up and add a young replacement for Gore. I like LJ Scott last year before he foolishly, in my opinion, decided to return to school. He is pretty similar to Gore in his running style.
Phelon’s goin’ to get the paper, get the paper
I thought that was twicethethe’s job
What?
Funny – when I tried to post what? twice it wouldn’t let me.
I think the only stat that hasn’t been discussed is how many sheets of TP Drake used as opposed to Ajayi
“”Ajayi improvises too much”””
Yea, being a Brit, he probably wipes from back to front…
We probably oughta break it down in factual stats…
Where is UK phin fan when you need him? He could settle this issue
LMFAO!
I’m compiling the numbers right now. It’s going to be close.
Density, girth, color, contents, number of flushes etc
It’s hard putting this shit together….lol
Dirty job but somebodies GOTTA DO IT
Drake has a WPS average than Ajayi
Was it two ply or extra soft?
Doesn’t matter – Drake follows the play to the hole, where Ajayi improvises too much
LMAO
LMAO Mike
Wipes Per Second?? LOL!!
So we save on TP too…
YeeEhaaa,GOFINS!!!
Wipes per sheet actually. C’mon KV, this is important! LOL
LOL Mike, my badd, knew I shoulda researched it…
Drake clearly isn’t a true power wiper.
We need to check with Rob and his EYE test. lol
ROTFLOL!!! I am literally struggling for breath right now.
Do Brit’s fart with an accent via proper English??
I can hear it now
“”Whilst”””
There you guys go with meaningless arguments again…. how do you compare the number of sheets of Charmin Drake uses to the baby wipes that Ajayi uses?