I was watching Good Morning Football this morning on NFLN, and after showing highlights of the Panthers vs Bucs (42-28), and Saints vs Rams (45-35), yeah, it looks pretty wrong seeing 13-6, Dolphins over Jets. Kay Adams and Kyle Brandt presented it as a good ole 1990’s defensive struggle, a throwback. They got it all wrong, this wasn’t a defensive struggle, it was an offensive struggle. Jets rookie QB Sam Darnold didn’t get the memo that his team was wearing the white jerseys, because he threw better passes to the dark jerseys than he did to the white jerseys. If you want to credit our pass rush, which actually existed yesterday, feel free to do so. On our side, we couldn’t block (run or pass), we got one defensive TD and two FG’s. Light it up!
I’m not singling anyone out here, but our O-line play was just terrible, and of course as per usghe, injuries were the reason for this. Both tackles missed time in this game forcing Zach Sterup to man both the RT spot when James was hurt, and then slide over to the LT spot when James came back in and Laremy Tunsil got hurt. So now Brock Osweiler, who I will say has better pocket awareness than Ryan Tannehill has ever had, has no pocket awareness because players were on him in 1 second or less. Our O-line isn’t good with all our starters in there, but subtract one of our tackles, who are our 2 best OL, Tunsil #1, James #2, it really goes downhill.
I don’t want to knock the optimists here, because it’s wonderful that fans can still believe we’re in this, but I laugh inside (a sad laugh) when fans say “Oh, not good, the Chargers won, gonna be tough to catch them”. From what I have seen this year, we don’t belong on the same field as the Chargers, they score 28 PPG, and we’ve scored more just once this year, in OT, and never more in regulation. We’ve had injuries, but we still have Devante Parker, Kenny Stills, Jakeem Grant, David Amendola, and Mike Gesicki. We have Frank Gore and Kenyan Drake, a formidable 1-2 punch, yet our offense is putrid. Yeah, we’re 5-4, easily the worst 5-4 team in the NFL. We’re the only 5-4 team.
My guess is we’re probably going to have Brock Osweiler as QB one more time as we hit the BYE week, and then after the BYE, it will be Ryan Tannehill’s team once again. We travel this week to Wisconsin to take on the Packers in their house. This is an angry Pack team, having lost to the Patriots in Foxboro. Anyone know who the OC is for GB? Tee-hee, it’s Joe Philbin. Not even kidding. Possibly, this explains how the GB Packers are only scoring 24 PPG, just a few more than our Dolphins. Hey, is it bad that Saints WR Michael Thomas accounted for more yardage and scoring by himself with 211 yards and 1 TD, while we accumulated as a team 203 yards and no TD’s?
It’s easy for Belichick to do whatever he wants, he’s beyond reproach at this point, no one questions the master. How smart does he look using Cordarrelle Patterson as a RB? Can we get some of that ingenuity from our offensive genius Adam Gase? Don’t bet on it. I wish he would read this and it would inspire him, but I won’t bet on that either! I wish something would inspire him, maybe keeping his job, something like that.
I know Toba, Bookman and ER are attending the GB game, I hope they enjoy and I hope our team gives them a great game to watch and a Dolphins victory! Enjoy fellas, way to represent!
Finsmob Unleashed 
Wyo
I suppose I am. I hate our team. I know some of y’all are expecting there to magic when Tannehill gets back, I think it will be just more of the same, but maybe we won’t have toilet paper in our waistband.
Maybe you need a hobby?
King of fluff: Librarian Graham Barker with his jars of belly button lint he has
Hmmm, I have a really deep belly button, maybe . . .
I’m not sure Tannehill will be back anytime soon. With the OL we’re putting out there I don’t see our offense doing much with anyone at QB. We moved the ball and looked okay for half a game other than not being able to score TDs. Then we couldn’t even attempt a pass without getting sacked.
The defense has been disappointing. They only play half a game now too.
No more cameo’s!
RIP Stan the comic book man!
He was so frick’n cool, regardless of what he actually did….. says more of a DC guy growing up.
I’m not a blow it up kind of a guy
But what’s the point not to at this point
Our QB has both health and playing issues
Even the talent on our OL has health issues
The WR unit will have 2 guys coming back from injury and Parker won’t be here in 19 either
Our top RB, Gore, will be retiring soon
The only decent unit on offense to build upon is the TE unit – which is yet tomprove itself
I don’t even know what our OC does or why he was ever hired
On D
The DLine is a disaster – releasing both Suh and Phillips looks like a huge mistake
The pass rush is not there and Wake and Quinn don’t have much left
The LBs are young and that’s a +
The secondary looks like it can be built on as well (although Jones might be done here)
But that’s just raw talent on both LB and secondary bc those units are young units generally
Burke is a horrible DC and I don’t think anyone can argue otherwise reasonably.
Our HC has butt heads with a bunch of players
The plan changes from year to year
His playcalling is horrible
His handpicked coordinators both suck
And after 3 years, he is anything but an offensive guru!
Our FO hasn’t exactly nailed all the draft picks
Fitzpatrick is a good pick
But there are too many other problems
Why not just wipe away the whole thing now
There’s not a lot to build on in 2019 if we just stick with this
Let someone else give us a new plan new direction and start to implement it
I tend to think we aren’t moving forward
Am convinced we are not moving forward in this season at least. But same time we were 6-10 last year and have 5 wins after 10 games and all those injuries. Was it better last year? Tanny was out then too, not that see him as walking on water.
So not a fan of blow it up, but see a case for it too. Especially if willing to give up on Tanny. At that point time to do that.
I don’t care about the record
We are a disaster right now – there isn’t anything to build on for 2019
this is a chance to wipe it clean and start again
So you want to blow it up. Keep in minds means 2 or 3 real bad seasons even if they get ti right though.
My point is the status of the team right now indicates that we are already set for a bad 2019 and maybe even 2020
you are probably choosing between 2-3 bad or mediocre season and 2-3 bad or mediocre seasons
We are way off track from where we should be
I’ve seen way to many flaws to think this team isn’t starting over regardless
If you feel that way then that is what you should want. My opinion is different, but all we have for what is right for 2020 at least is just that. I’m more a slowly build guy, but absolutely understand why some are not. No wrong or right in this stuff….. even if wonder what people will be saying if we move from mediocre to truly suck.
Stinks about Stan Lee.
R.I.P. Stan Lee
Not sure what’s going to happen this offseason. It seems whatever we do breaks anyway.
Because of Ross silly. Remember Fins were juggernauts all the way until he bought the team…
Yeah thats a hit for me as well, losing Stan i mean. I wasnt as big a comic book nerd as a lot of people i knew but i have a decent collection. Stand Less while not completely responsible for those comics, he was definately the face of Marvel and Marvel is what it is largely because of his ability to market and make things relevant to the new generation of kids. 95, man you knew it was coming, but it still really doesnt prepare you when a person of his magnitude finally passes.
Sean Connery is going to really suck too. Shula. Clint Eastwood. Mel Brooks. Tony Bennett. Max Von Sydow. Robert Duvall. James Earl Jones. Shatner, Michael Caine.Just to name a few more that im dreading.
Pig,
I get what you’re saying, but that’s painting it in a pretty negative light. You could do the same with just about every team in the league.
How many different teams are really happy right now? NE, Pitt, NO, LAR? Maybe CAR, and LAC? Those teams all have a QB they’re either highly optimistic about or can believe in. They mostly have just as many holes in personnel as we do. Injuries have derailed any hope we had of the playoffs this year, but the team has been competitive when healthy. Not saying we should sell out for a QB, but have to draft better and get a QB for value or move all in when we identify a potential franchise guy. Maybe that’s 2019, more likely 2020.
We’ll find some diamond in the rough QB he’ll be playing well and then he’ll get hurt. It’s hard for us to even project anything anymore, it always falls apart. We could have an awesome team on paper and by midseason it will be half of that team. I don’t know why this keeps happening.
I think the bottom line is – what can we build upon for 2019 heading in this direction
I don’t see anything
We are particularly bad right now in terms of QB, OL and Pass rush
and those three things are cornerstones to building a good team
The only thing I think worth building on the young players on D
and the next person can build on that
Its not that we are so bad compared to the rest of the league
Its that we are missing on fundamental things and unless we change directions I think it gets worse
I’m not saying nuking it is some kind of miracle cure
its not – and we know that from experience
But I’m saying, sticking with this group is senseless to me
And we should just wipe it clean at once instead of doing a half ass offseason where we fire the OC and DC
or we changed the “culture of the lockerroom and got rid of certain players”
or we have a huge signing that changes everything
just start over from top to bottom in one sweep rather than piecemeal
I don’t want any scapegoats
I don’t care about blame
I just want an acknowledgement that its not working so we do something new
IMO our half ass rebuilds are part of why we’ve been stuck in this purgatory
Injuries have played a major roll in the team coming apart. Not saying we would have been great if we stayed relatively healthy, but I think we’d be quite a bit better than we are. Even if only a couple of more wins, but better contested games.
We weren’t scoring a lot of points in week 1
This whole thing is just bad design
Its a bad blueprint
injuries don’t help
but there are far too many other shortcomings to place so much weight on the injuries
this is the wrong path to follow
I don’t see any harm in changing direction
and I don’t think its worth the risk to keep going down this path
Pig,
I agree there doesn’t seem to be much in the cupboard. That’s the problem with poor drafts and not hoarding as many picks as you can. If you miss with those picks it really bites you because trading picks is usually a short term move.
I guess I’d like to see what Gase can do with a healthy starting QB and decent luck with injuries/turnovers for a season. He seems above average to me. It’s troubling that we’ve yet to see a really explosive stretch on offense so I get the level of doubt out there.
I’d definitely like to see us can Tannebaum and shake up the way we draft or at least evaluate talent. Too many breakable or finesse guys near the top. Need a more physical line on both sides. The finesse guys can usually be found later in the draft or for decent contracts in FA.
I’m not angry or motional about it
I’m just saying it makes sense – this didn’t work out and its time to change gears
ultimately Gase will have to change gears anyway
I don’t think its just talent – actually I think the FO is doing a better job than the coaches
Its Gase who made the decisions to hire our OC and DC
those are his guys
and both units suck
Its Gase who has faith in Tannehill
and that hasn’t worked either
Its Gase who seems to have issues with some of the talent on the team
That lockerroom purge last season – that’s on Gase
the playcalling is bad game in and out – and that is directly on Gase as he insists on doing it
the picks aren’t great either
but the whole thing is bad
just wash it away and start over from fresh
I don’t think there is anything left to evaluate
I get it and I think the half measures vs start from scratch makes sense.
Tim,
Don’t blame you or anyone else for feeling kind of hopeless. It’s been too damn long since we’ve had a real reason to believe in this team.
I’d be happy with a competitive team that’s exciting to watch even if we’re not championship caliber. But the injuries mounting up making this team play 2nd stringers all over the place, picking up players off the street trying to field a team just isn’t fun because you see the limitations and know there isn’t much we can do. We play well in spurts but it doesn’t last and you can basically predict the outcome. Sports should fun not frustrating.
The Flying Pig says:
November 12, 2018 at 3:04 pm
But I’m saying, sticking with this group is senseless to me
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most of this group isn’t even a year old, We had Timmons as a LBer last year, the ones that were here last year have to learn to adjust to new players. You get better as you play with team mates, you start to gel together, know what each one is doing. if you keep dumping players you will never have any continuity.
i’m sure there will be some tweeking but you don’t blow it up
That’s a problem in year 3 of a head coaches career
“oops I put my faith in a certain QB and wasted some time, doesn’t work for me”
most of the decisions made by the coaches and the FO have been bad decisions
I’m not personally eager to invest in the hope that some of the recent ones work out.
tannehill is 11-7 over his last 18 games, a freak injury sidelined him. most of these guys only have played 10 games together some not even that.
I think making wholesale changes would be a huge mistake, stay the course
Oops, tee time 4pm see you guys later
GO FINS!!!
Piggy, like I said nothing we do seems to work out so I’m not disagreeing with your viewpoint. For whatever reason, no matter what we do it’s hard to have a feeling it will all work out one way or the other. I’m not a big believer in snake bitten and stuff like that, but what the hell is it then? Can we at least have a run with most of the team that was penciled in to be the team. Like ORob said above, that’s how teams come together and get on a roll after playing some games together. We never have that.
I agree that nothing we do seems to work out
that is why you wipe it clean now
I mean come on – They’ve had a chance
I don’t believe that people can reasonably argue that with more time, things might gel
the direction they claim to be heading – hasn’t shown up on the field
there is no light at the end of the tunnel where they are heading
Its never utopia in the NFL
but there big difference between having a vision and just moving shit around to survive another day is huge
we can score
we can’t keep the other team from scoring
All the stuff about lockeroom culture
that was complete and utter horseshit
The organization is rotten from the top down
I’ve personally seen enough to realize this path isn’t getting us there
“I don’t believe that people can reasonably argue that with more time, things might gel” But that’s what you’ll be hoping for with a reboot because it will take time to gel. My point was even if we do that, I’m not confident that works either. It will just be new and different.
That’s what I’m hoping for either way Tim
But I know the first option hasn’t worked
I would rather try something new, than stick with something I know has failed
professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
November 12, 2018 at 4:44 am
Tony Sparano won the division…..
And I suppose Harbaugh will turn this franchise right around huh? failed at his last NFL coaching job and has never been a personnel guy, but what the hell, let’s give him full control becasue Barcalonger Lou says so.
I dont see why anyone would be extremely confident in Harbaugh. I think he had a couple of nice years but im not seeing a coach i think has any greater chance for success than many other that would be considered first time or limited experience HC’s. Im ok with Gase getting another couple of years with a new QB. I tink right now its the QB and the coach, but one is changeable without too much trouble, the coach is a more drastic change. Go out, get your guy, let Gase have a couple more years and then shit can his ass if he cant make it happen with his guy that he picked.
We havent really done any true reboots. We have always half rebooted half tried to win this year and it has been awkward and ineffective. You sometimes find yourself where you just have to bit the bullet and make a change and i dont feel we have every truly committed to that.
We did quite a bit of that in 2008 and on during the trifecta regime. We dismantled a lot of that 2007 team and rightfully so.
I agree with that Tim
But that was a decade
this then – we avoided that, bc its painful
but we aren’t even close to where we should be now
agreed 100%
if they half ass it again this offseason
(Piggy slaps his trotter to his forehead)
Just eat the bullet now – This isn’t working
Excuse me for waxing philosophical, but we are going into the bye week after all. What has always amazed me on this board is how we are all such great Dolphins fans, but each have different takes on the team and what needs to be done (and that not just football evaluate)…… also react differently as to what is going on at any given time, including game by game.
And none of those reactions or thoughts are wrong in any way. Everyone just has their own way to go about it. Me — try to be realistic. Predicted 8-8 on the season, even if thought making the playoffs just an outside chance. Only difference for me now is going with 7-9 and no way we hit the playoffs.
Crushed by the injuries, but what you gonna do? Last thing would want to do is blow the whole thing up, but then am selfish too. Cause just like watching good games. Maybe am willing to sacrifice a ring future for that each year.
I think i was actually optimistic about the return of Tanny and that we would be in a better spot with him. I think i wouldnt be so over this shit if i didnt feel like i was duped again. Thats kind of why i get pissed when people call me a hater, because im not, im just over everytime we have to start the new year conversation with, “Well this should be the year we really see Tanny turn the corner.” It just going to happen and thats fine, it happens. I dont think we can call Tanny a bust but we definitely did not find our franchise guy and i think that we definately made the effort to see if he could be. Maybe he is just snake bit and bad luck follows him around, but im tired of that too. We need a fresh new guy and hopefully the excitement and expectations will be realized this time.
And if you want a new QB…. then all the power to you. Weird thing about me is just like watching competitive football. Not nearly as tied up in getting another superbowl, even if for sure want that. But maybe that is why am the guy who goes to a good number of games and for whom the Fest is the Superbowl. 🙂
WTF is a Dowell Loggains
Seriously what is it?
If you say he is our OC – I’m going to respond by point out that since he left the Bears, they look like a different world offensively and Trubinsky looks for real
Seriously what is a Dowell Loggains?
This is the useless flesh Gase hired to fix our offense
He doesn’t call plays
his prior offenses do better without him
We haven’t improved at anything with him and I’m not sure he actually does anything
I don’t think Ive ever seen him on the sideline or in a booth
where is he?
Is he a real person?
WTF is a Dowell Loggains?
Bc I don’t think he’s an OC in anything other than in title
I think he is a pink slip for Adam Gase
It’s a HUGE mistake entering a season where you are trying to turnaround the offense to hire some one with no real power or role simply bc there is connection
Im not going to say i think he does much, i really think its still Gase’s show and i think he may only help prep the team during the week with what Gase wants to do. Also as far as the Bears i wont hold him for the success or pin the failures on him, because you might can credit Trubisky’s emergence on him, and you might call the whole offensive failure on him too. ard to tell but for us, i dont think he factors in much at all TBH. No one is going to factor in much until Gase stops being a control freak about the play calling. Nothing has changed on the 3rd and 4th and 1 calls between Christensen and Loggains, so i suspect nothing has changed on who is calling the plays.
If you hire some one to turn it around
you would like to see a history of success first
I, like Piggy, didn’t watch the game and I’m happier for it. But look on the bright side – the loss has allowed a couple of geniuses who know everything, and those who suck up to said geniuses, the opportunity to gloat and and tell us all “I told you so.” So at least they are happy. If fandom was measured by how many games you attend and how much bitching you do, and how much they think they know about football they would be the kings of fandom.
I go to a lot of games and have been known to biotch a lot. Was coming down for games long before moved here or a Fest. (and yeah that meant planes). So not exactly OD who used to fly in from Ohio each weekend when lived there….. but will stand up for that factor as a measure of passion at least.
But other than that…… we’re all just knuckleheads. And like it that way.
That’s what I get tired of. None of us make any decisions so nothing this team does is tied to anyone of us. What is even more annoying is when the accusations aren’t even accurate.
After we succeeded with the fake punt did you see Rizzi loosing is everloving mind with his squad? you could read the Fbombs exploding off of his lips.
It was because Caroo didnt do his job on that play, not so much that the fake worked against us. Caroo major league fucked up his assignment on that play.
It didnt matter much though in the grand scheme of things.
Tim – Watch the Knicks. They go out and give great effort most nights, but their lack of star power usually puts them on the losing side, but they’re in almost every game, and it’s close.
Not that into basketball. I’ll watch the finals but the NBA bores me. So does baseball when your team sucks. For some reason I stick with football no matter how frustrating. Not sure why though. LOL
Hard to win games fielding PS players and 2nd/3rd stringers as starters.
Gase mentioned in his presser, when asked about what can be done to prevent injuries, nothing. They arent getting hurt in practice and they are a rash of all different injuries, not soft tissues, but big season enders.
My worthless $.02…..
Fire Burke. New DC, new scheme.
Stay the course with Gase. Find 2 more QBs to throw in mix with Falk next offseason and go from there.
There will be more OL drafted and brought in just hope they stay healthy.
Im in this boat with ya man. In fct i would go QB 2 times in the draft as well, unless we go big and trade up for THE guy. If we stay put and take a 1st rounder without trading up i want to add in another guy like Grier a couple of rounds later. I wouldnt want Grier to be my only selection but i could see it going down like with RG3 and Cousins with taking a guy like Jones in the first, or Lock and then Grier in the 3rd.
We have definitely found ourselves on the bad end of the injury bug, but other teams are in the same position as up and they are looking better than us. Its more than just the injuries, though it certainly makes it harder.
Really?
Which teams have 1 OL starter, back up QB playing and winning?
Not being a dick, just asking. It really is a shit situation right now.
Redskins are down both their starting OG’s and they and both backup OG’s. Both their starting OT’s were out last game. They are on their 4th string RB and are down 4 receivers.
I wouldn’t consider the way Peterson is playing is like 4th string. Also in the game they lost their OL guys they got walloped by ATL who is also decimated on defense which is why they can’t win consistently and they have a lot of talent on offense. Injuries to key players makes a big difference.
Close but no cigar
stangerx says:
November 12, 2018 at 2:12 pm
He was so frick’n cool, regardless of what he actually did….. says more of a DC guy growing up.
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You were a DC fan growing up? I just knew there was something off / wrong with you!
😉
First dog’s name was Flash. Warmer way to look at the world. Sure wish had gone Marvel by the time in college went to sell all of them though.
Cool name for a dog. What kind was it?
Black Lab…. and she was fast and loving, if not so smart.
Labs are usually pretty smart.
Gase is the issue. He doesn’t need to be given more time. Send him and his guys packing. Give Rizzi the shot.
Well the Saints sign their death knell! 😉
In Brandon Marshall!
They were talking about that on the radio today. That would be crazy if the Saints went on a losing streak and missed out on the playoffs. LOL
I also know there are complaints about the FO, but they actually look like they are going in the right direction with building through the draft and not bringing in any high priced Free Agents.
If Tannehill can’t play against the Colts, I would take the extra week and get Fales ready to play. Why not? At least it might interject some energy into the offense…….up until Gase only lets him throw it 5 yards at a time..LOL. Also, everybody knows that the back-up QB is the favorite player on the team for the fans when the starter stinks like BO…
Team is going to stink no matter who is out there because none of them can carry this team. We would be a lot better off rotating our RB’s and just handing off every snap of the game lol. Hell wasn’t Amendola a QB once upon a time? Just let him wildcat that shit. Again, none of it is going to make much of a difference.
Edelman was, I don’t think Amendola was. I agree with your overall point though. Also, I can’t put my faith in someone named Fales to win games. Maybe it’s oxymoronic.
LOL
I also think there’s a culture of finger pointing
And that is one of my big no-no’s
Last off-season the stuff about lockerrroom culture really bothered me
I don’t think I really cared for Gase very early in his career
The winning streak in 16 kept me off his back
But I’ve actually disliked him more than philbin or sparano otnsome of thenother huys we’ve had recently
Tim, their OL are on IR. They have been out extended periods of time. So i guess when i point out a team that is in the same boat there are excuses for why they can continue to play well and we cant. I did forget about Peterson, but they do have 4 RB’s out.
BTW the patriots have more out than we do as well. Top contributors, but they are playing well. Its not just about the injuries man, in the NFL teams are going to have years where injuries are going to hit them and they have to be able to roll with it. We look pathetic, its not just injuries causing that
Patriots? Really? Who? Ulrich? LOL
Isaih Wynn their starting OT, Brian Schwenke their starting OC, Trent Brown their starting RT. Shaq Mason their starting OG
Ulrik was their backup, but him being out means they are on their 3rd string OT at one of the spots.
Only 1 of those is on IR I believe
Washington at 6-3 is pretty good but they are very up and down even some of their wins have been meh. They still have their starting QB though. The injuries ATL has endured on defense has really hurt them.
We were most likely a middle of the road team when fully healthy which never really lasted long, and a possible playoff team. What we have now is a much more inferior team so I’m not surprised we’re 5-5. Like I said earlier, we’re in games early on and then usually fall apart in the 2nd half of games. It’s as if 2nd half adjustments by our opponents detect our weaknesses and exploit them.
I’m not making excuses for the coaches either, much of it may very well be on them but we are playing with an inferior team then the one penciled in on opening day. I didn’t expect us to be a great team this year, I’m more frustrated that we keep losing key players and knowing when watching the games we have little room for error. So what happens on our first drive which was a good one, we get a bad snap close or just inside the red zone, turn it over and instead of scoring whether a TD or a FG, the Packers take it right down the field and it’s 7-0. Boom!!! Right off the bat we allow a momentum change. This team can’t afford that sort of stuff.
Stranger – If I lived where you do I would go to games every chance I got, too. But let’s face it, going to the stadium is the worse way to watch a game from a technical perspective. And if going to games from a distance is is a criterion, I’m a fucking champ. I made made reservations and bought tickets 3 days before the fest. Last year I had season club seats knowing I would make maybe two or three games. How often you go to games and how far you go and long you’ve been going makes you a great fan, but it doesn’t make you a subject matter expert on the game and/or the team.
Phelon
Come to GB. Season ticket holders, die hards, never missed a game. Listen to most of their football acumen….its hilarious.
You get what I’m saying.
Phelon — that’s the thing…. I do think you are “a fucking champ.” About the highest on the passion scale on this board that there is. Yeah that doesn’t make you, me or OD right on stuff, but has to be a factor. If anything figure that give us (and many others) a claim to at least being solid fans….. not that aren’t many other ways to show it like all those folks coming from all over to the Fest year after year from places. One even comes from a place where US milk isn’t even sold and was at Lambau yesterday. 🙂
Toba and his wife are awesome.
ER — come to a fest and you will be riding the Toba Bus…… and that is not some kind of hazing thing. 🙂
Pigs don’t have fingers to point.
sb7mvp says:
November 12, 2018 at 4:31 pm
Gase is the issue. He doesn’t need to be given more time. Send him and his guys packing. Give Rizzi the shot.
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I actually like this idea. Too bad he will die in the fire as well……
Gase is the problem not the solution. Our inept offense is his baby. knowing nothing of defense and just nodding Burke ok is Gase’s problem. Tannenbum likes to deal too much for the teams good. He needs to go.
BLOW IT UP!
BTW – Marvel rocks, DC sucks. Always was, always will be.
^ YES!!!
D
Only 1 of those is on IR I believe. They got smoked yesterday too missing a few OL. Fins have lost the backup backup as well.
Isaiah Wynn and Ulrick John and Brian Schwenke are all on IR.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2018.htm
ElephantRider says:
November 12, 2018 at 5:14 pm
Only 1 of those is on IR I believe
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Rex Burkhead RB Thu, Nov 8 Neck IR. Injured Reserve
Jeremy Hill RB Wed, Nov 7 Knee – ACL IR. Injured Reserve
Brian Schwenke C Tue, Nov 6 Foot IR. Injured Reserve
Eric Rowe CB Tue, Oct 30 Groin IR. Injured Reserve
Duke Dawson DB Wed, Oct 24 Hamstring IR. Injured Reserve
Ja’Whaun Bentley LB Sun, Oct 21 Biceps IR. Injured Reserve
Amara Darboh WR Fri, Sep 14 Hip IR. Injured Reserve
Christian Sam LB Sun, Sep 2 Undisclosed IR. Injured Reserve
Ryan Izzo TE Sun, Sep 2 Undisclosed IR. Injured Reserve
Ulrick John T Sun, Sep 2 Foot IR. Injured Reserve
Isaiah Wynn T Sun, Sep 2 Achilles IR. Injured Reserve
Braxton Berrios WR Sat, Sep 1 Undisclosed IR. Injured Reserve
Trent Brown and Shaq Mason were out this past couple of games too though, Same James and Tunsil were both only temporarily out too.
Point is, we dont own the injury bug, and other teams make do. Im not even expecting we win against teams like GB when we have so many hurt, but we surely can play better than we have been. Last game actually wasn’t too bad, as bad as that sounds. We played well, given our situation.
I get it. But this team is a mot even close to what it was week 1.
I also dont see a QB on that list. 😉 LOL
I have thought for a few years now Rizzi could be a solid HC.
Gase has him help with HC type decisions like clock management, and challenges.
Yeah I know. He knows the game really well. He’s a personable yet fiery guy too. I think he”s a good communicator. He’s got our rook kicker and 2nd year punter playing well. We’re pretty good on STs overall.
Rizzi would definitely inject some fire!
ER its not like im saying it shouldnt affect us, im just saying whats wrong with this team is much deeper than just injuries. We arent even playing well enough to get away with trying to excuse it as just injuries.
I hear ya man.
My gut is Gase isnt going anywhere. The team is trying, they are just outmatched and under skilled to me.
Stanger – If there’s one thing that I’ve learned in life, it’s not to over-value my own opinion. That and if you are not laughing at yourself, then you can be assured that everyone else is laughing at you.
Rizzi has to get the most out of the bottom of the roster and he deals with both offensive and defensive players. I’m almost to the point of saying fire Gase now and promote Rizzi to see if he can salvage the season.
I think if there is a chance that Rizzi ever truly becomes HC of this team and it not just be a temporary job, it would pretty much take a Gase firing this year and him stepping in as interim and making the team respectable to close the season. I dont even think it would take getting more wins than expected, just returning to the form of a real team. He seems to be respected around the FO, as he has survived other coaches coming and going, but this year his unit isnt playing extremely well. So he doesn’t have as strong of a argument for long term.
Our STs have been pretty darn good, man.
I don’t think Gase is getting fired I was just saying I could see Rizzi being a solid HC. I won’t be surprised if he is one day even if not in Miami.
D, my main point is if you’re a middle of the road and possible playoff team at full strength and you lose as many players as we have, being 5-5 and having some ugly losses isn’t that surprising.
If you would have asked me at the beginning of the season with our team relatively at full strength what would be a realistic record after 10 games I probably would have said 6-4. We’re 5-5 but trending downwards, especially on the road against teams that can score.
I don’t want to get into a debate like I’m on the side of excuses and defending anyone, I’m more like ER, I just see it for what it is. I didn’t think we were going to win yesterday. But there was a window of opportunity to possibly pull it off and as the game went on we couldn’t match them. That also did not surprise me. I’m not pissed off by yesterday’s loss, I’m frustrated that we can’t seem to be the team that gets designed in the offseason. It always comes apart. Two years in a row.
Being none of us have any control over anything this team does, no matter what we do I just don’t expect it to work out. Let’s say Ross says this is not what I hired Gase and his staff for and I want to reboot and start over and I’ve also lost faith in Tannehill as our QB. I’ll go with that flow as most of us will, we’ll all expect some growing pains and a couple of meh or bad seasons, then when it starts to look like it’s coming together I won’t be surprised that we get hit with the injury bug and yet a hopeful season gets derailed. That’s where I’m at.
The 2016 season surprised the shit out me when we started off 1-4. Never saw that coming. Whatever it is we have not had good fortune to build on that. This coming from the guy everyone thinks is Mr. Positive. That’s not always the case. LOL
One of my biggest questions, what does our strength and conditioning program look like here? Puloka was the asst until Gase arrived and he got his big break in 2016. We’ve been extremely injury prone ever since.
Are the players dominating anyone? Are they getting the work needed to stay healthy in grueling games? Is there anyone besides Wake who showed up and stayed in better shape after coming here? Sitton was a fluke…until the entire OL went under, Hayes didn’t last a month…again! Parker never stays healthy Why isn’t this a huge deal for this coaching staff?
If it was the same type of injuries maybe there would be a red flag, but it’s an assortment of different football injuries that nobody can control. It really is a luck thing that you have that magical season or the right core players who can overcome them and next man up still keeps you rolling. We haven’t gotten to that point, obviously!
we need better depth on the OL, something we may acquire in next years draft
I agree that injuries are a part of the NFL but I continue to see guys that don’t get injured. There are about 400-450 injuries every year which averages out to about 13-15 a team. We seem to be way past that for two years straight.
When was the last time you saw Suh get injured? He’s in the think of things every game. Maybe he is just lucky. There’s a lot that get injured but we have some that stay that way. Do they not rest enough? Come back too early? Re-condition their injuries wrong? I’m not sure but I’d definitely look into it. Why can’t Parker stay healthy for even a 10 game stretch over FIVE years? It seems beyond snakebit to me but maybe I’m just frustrated.
Totally agree with New Age. This many injuries really makes me wonder what we are doing with strength and conditioning. It also makes me wonder what our personnel guys in terms of talent evaluation. Are we missing red flags about injury history and likelihood of injury?
I’m just wondering how a strength and conditioning coach can strengthen T Hills shoulder capsule? or albert Wilsons hip or Hayes ACL???
Are those the only injuries we are dealing with? Is our entire OL injured? Why is the entire OL injured? Why did we keep Hayes when he was injury prone last year too?
because hayes is a stud. we have 6 players done for the season, wilson hayes,tank,gray,sitton, kilgore, and taylor out indefinitely.
on top of that we have 8 more players that didn’t play sunday, thats 14 out of 46 and most are starters and pivotal role players
15 plaers out for gb game
So about 1/3 of our entire team…..
did anyone here watch the game yesterday? AT GREEN BAY! can anyone tell me the starting OL we had? did anyone see the jailbreak sacks they put on Osweiler? how they hurried him?
we are injured, we need to at least get our two starting tackles and our back-up guard back to have any chance.
Still 6 games left, for those who want to blow this thing up….
BLOW THIS!
Blowing into my conch now
🙂
LOL
That’s the thing, as if both starting tackles being out, the already backup LG out, and playing with the already backup center and backup QB doesn’t make a difference. Some perspective please.
Find a new hobby!
We all saw the awkward dip in Wilson’s movement on a nice gain being tackled when he got hurt. Hayes tore his ACL trying not to put his weight on Carr with that ridiculous rule, and Tannehill got driven into the ground on a sack. Parker yesterday had the same thing happen when being tackled. Sitton and Kilgore have arm injuries and Larsen has a neck injury. Tunsil has a knee and James a leg strain. These guys aren’t machines, they’re humans. Nothing anyone can do about any of it.
Pig,
The problem, at least on offense, is Gase has a legit excuse. He hasn’t really had a full season with Tannehill to get a sense for where it could go. I fully supported letting Landry and Suh walk last season given the $ involved. It was probably less of a “culture” issue and more of a financial one relative to their production.
Again, not going to argue the reset approach isn’t the correct one. It probably is… I’ve seen the difference it makes when you finally get the right HC or QB in place. The problem is how difficult it is to find them, but you never do unless you keep trying.
Most of the moves (Suh, Landry, Pouncey) were about money not culture. Ajayi annoyed the shit out of Gase because he went off script too many times and was more about his own personal stats and not team results. He also sucked as a blocker and wasn’t a reliable receiver. Phillips’ lack of work ethic caught up with him. That’s it! Too much is made of this. Like Phillips changes our defense. Please! LOL
We have been statistically worse against the run since he is gone
You think he’s the reason? I do not. He was released after the NE game where he was horrible.
I think lack of quality DTs is a major problem for us right now. Our LBs are getting destroyed because our DTs are not engaging blockers well enough
Circles inside circles!
They just fired their OC right?
DC
AS BAD AS IT IS IN MIAMI, things are measurably worse in The Land of the Yucs!! Yesterday, Tampa Bay passed for over 400 yards and had THREE, count ’em, THREE total points to show for it!! Local sports radio hosts calling for EVERYBODY’s HEAD, from the HC to the GM to the water boy!!!!! A water boy of sorts, the Buc’s tiny kicker, was axed today. HC and GM are on suicide watch. The Glazers,owners of this pathetic franchise, have reportedly hired extra security as hostile fans and sportswriters spew incredible amounts of venom!! And the flagship radio station of the Bucs radio network has called for a total house cleaning!! At 3-6, the Bucs season is now officially dead and buried after a promising 2-1 start that included a WIN at NEW ORLEANS!!!
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TO MY SURPRISE, a caller to a local radio show asked if the Jets Todd Bowles could be persuaded to come to Tampa Bay, given the fact that he’ll likely be fired by the Jets and will be looking for a job. “He’d be a big improvement over what we’ve had here,” said the caller. —I laughed so hard I damn near drove my car off the road!!!!
https://twitter.com/PFF_Dolphins/status/1062147089457651717
MY computer here in Tampa Bay says “this page doesn’t exist.” Hmmmm. Curse of the Bucs???
Now I understand! 😉
Ken, I agree our DL is not playing stout enough. However I thought Taylor was outperforming Phillips and gee guess what… he’s done for the season too. I have to say that Godchaux seems to have been a non factor recently.
Godchaux seems to be just another guy
He looked good early on. I do think moving forward just going by where we are and no crazy blow up stuff. DT should be a priority and it’s a good DT draft. You take one in the 1st rd and you have them for 4 years at a reasonable price with that 5th year option.
To me, Alonzo, McMillan and Baker are our LBs moving forward and they should be. I also think Howard, McCain, Fitz, Jones and McDonald are the main DBs. Sure we could add another corner. But we could use a young stud inside up front in the rotation.
Wow did you hear that National Anthem? Just wow that was really good.
I’m checking out this Mullens kid tonight, he might have something. Was last week a fluke?
Not against the Giants!
Those fires are scary holy crap. I hope all our guys out there are ok
Yeah really bad. They are destroying everything. Wishing everyone one the best.
Fuckin DROP!
I like the idea of ST coaches making the move to HC. They already work with every unit on the team (ie backups on offense and defense are special teamers) they know the overall makeup of the team.
Don’t run it back I’m trying to see the QB
Let’s try this again…
The dude rocks
Mullens was a guy I said we should take a shot at to develop.
I love the Idea of giving Rizzi a shot!
but that’s not blowing it up!!!!!!!!!!
Well Mike E will hate that throw! 😉
I was going to rant once again about blowing it up, but Piggy’s earlier posts said everything that I was thinking with much more eloquence. My analysis would have been slightly unhinged and contained far more vitriol. Thanks Piggy!
Please rant master
I’m not in the blow it up camp. We just need a quarterback, we just need better passing and we just need more points. I’m in favor of blowing the quarterbacks up. Of course we need to be healthy first and foremost.
Who you got son????????
Draft pick?
Trade?
FA??????
I’m looking
There’s no DeShaun
There’s no Baker
I like Dobbs from Tenn who backs up Ben and I like Brissett. Both could start a new direction for us.
This Mullen might not be a bad option, he’s got the flick.
Why don’t they have Gesicki running WR routes when we get thin during a game? Drake does but Gesicki could exploit some size mismatches.
Oh right our QB’s don’t use anyone with a TE number.
Because he’s not as good as ya’ll think!
He hasn’t shown out yet at all!
He’s good with the ball in his hands.
Suh and the boys have given up 1,000 yards in the last 2 games???????
That may be more than the Fins??????????
Son … It’s got to be blown up. The stubborn and incompetent Gace will force Hennehill on us again next year while refusing to seriously address the QB position. Do you really want another year of a passing game contained solely within five yards of either side of the LOS?
son of a son of a shula says:
November 12, 2018 at 8:57 pm
He’s good with the ball in his hands.
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Com-on Man
I’ve not seen him running free!
Bat
Who’s your GM to to take over on the Blow up?
We scout you as a guy who we know isn’t a good blocker as well as a guy they don’t ask to even block that much.
We identify incredible athleticism and ability to make catches in a huge radius.
Able to make catches over people
A strong runner and tough to bring down
Runs good routes from the slot
So we draft him and he doesn’t see the field much know why – his blocking. His fucking blocking. Only in Miami.
Son … Gesicki has not yet mastered the subtle nuances of the bubble screen …Patience …
Pump the brakes folks!
I wasn’t on the Gesiki conch!
I do think he will be good in time!
But he hasn’t figured it out yet!!
I don’t know who bring in if you blow it up.
Not Jim but John Harbaugh might become available. Who else?
I don’t know.
Wyoming … Have to see who will be available, but I want someone from an organization with a history of success. Some one with a fair amount of experience in personnel …and nobody from the Cheatriots.
Well that narrows it down Bat!
Wyoming … LOL ..I never said I had a particular candidate in mind yet, I just know I don’t like what is currently in place.
Fair enough bat!
Just was curious if you had someone in mind!
Son
Dobbs, nor brisset is an upgrade!
IMHO
They use the whole field and pretty accurate. They’re my bridge guys.
there should be a neither in there somewhere!
Bat, that’s where my position gets tricky because if we get forcefed Tannehill again I’ll be flying banners. We need new Quarterbacks and if it takes getting a new coach then that’s actually where I really stand. I’d let Faulk compete and tell the rest bye bye
son … Gace is obsessed with proving that he can win with Hennehill. He’ll throw us a bone by taking a flier on a QB in the 6th and then roll Tanny out there without serious competition or any semblance of improved pocket awareness. Gace does not appear to be capable of dealing with todays run and gun NFL.
Without Wilson to turn a 2 yard pass into a 60 yard TD, Gace’s offense is DOA.
Without a MUCH BETTER O-LINE, Gace’s QUARTERBACK IS DOA.
Or should I say “QUARTERBACKS?”
The blue print of this offense which is basically having speed guys make big plays is not reliable from series to series
Wilson was breaking huge plays
But we had a ton of 3 and outs in between
Without Wilson and now Grant – forget it
The Flying Pig says:
November 12, 2018 at 3:52 pm (Edit)
WTF is a Dowell Loggains…….
Piggí…I was bringing this up weeks ago, but as Bat said, not nearly as eloquently as you have.
It’s the new thing on the second “I” which gives me the extra eloquence
ESPN College Game Day is coming to UCF Saturday
THAT’S GREAT, SONNY!!! I hope your boys kick the Skyline Chili (famous local brand) out of those Cincy guys!! Meanwhile, Herbie will be complaining that UCF “doesn’t play anybody!” What he SHOULD be complaining about is the fact that NONE of the Top 10 teams want to play UCF!! IF UCF runs the table for the 2nd straight season, it will be interesting to see who they play in one of the bigger bowl games.
I’D LOVE to see UCF destroy Herbie’s Ohio State Buckeyes!!
Mike Gesicki is too tall and not quite fast enough (he’s a TE, not a midget WR) to run these 3-yard drag plays that Adam Gase dials up all day throughout 4 quarters… even when down by double-digits.
Why did we even bother drafting Gesicki if Adam Gase is going to mandate his QBs 2.x seconds to get rid of the ball, due to not addressing the O-Line (pass-pro, in particular)?
I think you can utilize the TE even on quick throws
And Gase just doesn’t do that
So thus far this year, DeVante has had a broken finger, a bad hammy, a sprained AC joint, and a torn labia.
Lol
Shit I missed that. LOL M
I think it’s funny the reaction losing in GB yesterday. I get it tho. Fins have been great in cold weather games historically….
They forgot to rub antifreeze on their genitals so they shriveled up and fell off
They dont fall off. Just takes awhile to see them again.
Gesicki is SOFT. He gets pushed off his route every time.
I haven’t watched him much during games
But he seems like a Jimmy Graham type
We should be able to utilize him and we haven’t
Should be able to, but hes got a ways to go. He needs the entire offseason to get stronger.
Bingo!
Guys
It’s called Oinkloquence
Thought it was “Squeal like a pig!”
If you want to enjoy the jests misery
Home sweet Home
731 miles, 12.5 hrs including lunch, shopping and dinner.. car shows it ran for 10 hrs 30 min
Glad you made it back. That’s one long haul.
Thank ya , was truly a long day
Now do people in Wisconsin hunt any deer with guns ? Or just splatter them with their vehicles ?? I swear to cow, we saw at least a dozen laying roadside
LOL
They know gun season is starting and they’re gettin out of dodge!
But yeah, there are a ton of them up here.
So Son you are okay if we go into next year looking to Falk n Fales ?? Say it three times fast…
See what I did there ? 🤔
No Falk Fales just Falk. The triumvirate can go.
Towards the end of a
round of golf, Dave hit his ball into the woods and found it
in a patch of pretty, yellow buttercups.
Trying to get his ball
back in play, he ended up thrashing just about every buttercup
in the patch. All of a sudden … POOF!! In
a flash and puff of smoke, a little old woman appeared.
She said, “I’m Mother
Nature! Do you know how long it took me to make those
buttercups? Just for doing what you have done, you won’t have
any butter for your popcorn for the rest of your life. Better
still, you won’t have any butter for your toast for the rest
of your life. As a matter
of fact, you’ll never have any butter for anything for the
rest of your life!!!”
Then POOF! … she was
gone!
After Dave recovered
from the shock, he hollered for his friend, “Fred, where are
you?”
Fred yells back, “I’m over here in
the pussy willows.”
Dave shouts back, “DON’T
SWING, Fred! For the love of God, DON’T SWING!!!”
Ah, young unmarried jokes, everyone knows he can swing as much as he wants if he is married.
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 22 (WASH): Allen, Josh, OLB, Kentucky (A-)
Round 2 Pick 20: Jenkins, Elgton, C, Mississippi State (A-)
Round 2 Pick 22 (WASH): Adams, Trey, OT, Washington (A)
Round 3 Pick 19: Benzschawel, Beau, OG, Wisconsin (A)
Round 4 Pick 20: Grier, Will, QB, West Virginia (A+)
Round 5 Pick 20: Johnson, Isaiah, CB, Houston (A)
Round 6 Pick 20: Armstead, Ryquell, RB, Temple (A+)
Round 7 Pick 6: Brown, Marquise, WR, Oklahoma (A+)
I like the Grier pick, but im not riding with that being my only QB pick.
He’s my dark horse guy as far as getting a first round talent in a later round, but thats also not a risk im gambling with this next draft. It would take something incredible to happen to prevent em from going QB with the first pick.
I’m not enamored with Grier!
But it’s the same old thing!
Early on there are players that you like better than the QB available!
Toba,
Glad to know you and your wife made it back safely and avoided creating more road kill along the way!
That just seems wrong to me. He’s hired back in the same season as he was fired by a rival team after being so integrated in the game planning, etc. To me that seem like that should be considered some sort of breach of a non-disclosure agreement.
Not following you. The Browns fired him, right? He’s free to sign anywhere he wants. Why shouldn’t he be? If CLE didn’t want that, they didn’t have to fire him in the middle of the season.
I think QB has to be a priority next season. We don’t have to go RD 1, but man, it should be at the top of the list. We’re never going to go anywhere without a top QB, whether Gase is here or not. I haven’t seen a lot of evidence that Gase deserves to stay either.
I think Gase can stay, but Burke has to go. Defense looks lost every game, where I think the offense just looks outmatched.
We are hideous against the run, but that’s with Godchaux and a bunch of castoffs at DT, and 2 DE’s that historically are weak against the run, better pass rushers. Pair that with 2 rookie LB’s, I think that might explain some of the trouble against the run. We’ve been pretty good against the pass, especially considering we have no pass rush.
We sucked with Suh here. Fitzpatrick is helping against the pass this year, the secondary is 1 CB away from being excellent. But there is way too much miscommunication out there. Whether they are picking the wrong gaps or whatever it may be. I’d like a new DC and new scheme, this one sucks.
Whenever I see the name Drew Lock, I think of the town of Duloc from Shrek. Every damn time!
tannehill 11-7 over gases tenure. maybe we should use a #1 pick on a player who wont play. no wonder some run NFL teams and the other sells glasses:)
Mike E. says:
November 13, 2018 at 10:20 am
Not following you. The Browns fired him, right? He’s free to sign anywhere he wants. Why shouldn’t he be? If CLE didn’t want that, they didn’t have to fire him in the middle of the season.
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Most of the times when you work for a company that that has competition and leaving that company could expose trade secrets, ie intellectual property, they make you sign a non-disclosure agreement and a no-compete where you agree to not work for a competitor until a period of times has passed. Im surprised this isnt considered one of those scenarios, with the Bengals being a divisional rival of the Browns.
Also if there arent such agreements then the Browns are fucking retarded to leave that shit open like that.
D – As far as I know, ALL of those agreements are in place if the person quits, but if the employer fires that person, pretty sure all of that goes out the window. If that weren’t case, the Browns would have blocked that from happening. It’s meant to protect the employer if someone decides to leave and open their shop. If you fire that person, the non-compete agreement no longer exists, because you just ripped up the agreement you had by firing them.