So the 2018 NFL season will be coming to and end next week, and as per usghe, Dolphins will watch other teams in the playoffs. Also as per usghe, we will not be picking top 10. We’re not even good at that! Sometimes if you’re bad, it’s better to be baaaad. Get that top 5 pick, or even #1 pick, and then parlay that into more picks, and really change the roster. No, we’ll pick somewhere in the middle, maybe 15 or 16, or maybe even 18 or so when we beat Buffalo when it doesn’t count next week.
Let’s take a step back. I’m not mad that we lost yesterday, our playoff chances were slim going in, but for a while there, the Colts were losing, so our opportunity was there, but we couldn’t take care of business. It seems like whenever the stakes are high, and the playoffs are on the line, we manage to show our worst. Ryan Tannehill is a big part of that. He’s not, I repeat, NOT the guy that will lift your team. I watch a lot of games around the NFL, and the best QB’s take chances. They don’t always work out, but guys like Brees, Roethlisberger, Wilson etc. when the game is on the line, throw a 30 yard pass on 2nd and 8. They throw a 30 yard pass on 3rd and 10, in fact, they always look to get the ball downfield for a big play. That’s the last place Tannehill looks. He’s a warrior, but he’s gutless in his decision making. He’s not a guy that wants to get the kill, he’s a workaday bee. He’s more than happy to just do his job, but he’s not wired to kill.
There are rumblings for a big front office shakeup in Miami. If so, that would probably signal the end for Mike Tannenbaum ( Executive VP of Football Operations) and Chris Grier (GM). Which direction we would go from this I don’t know, but I’d hope we find a guy with experience that can build the team from the ground up. No quick fix plan, but build the team in the image of what he feels is successful, and sustainable in the current and future state of the NFL. Identify a HC, and mutually agree with that HC on the coordinators, and then build the team. If it takes 2 or 3 years, fine. Don’t cut corners to try and win now, no foolish FA spending. If we take our lumps for a year or two, so be it. Just build it right. The best teams do, and repeatedly are contenders.
If we don’t fire any executives and and don’t bring a new FO, I’d hope that Adam Gase is truly on the hot seat. I can’t be sure he’s not the one, but it’s becoming clearer to me that he might not be. For all of his offensive knowledge and potential, our offense is in the bottom 5. It’s understood we lost players to injury, yet there are players on the roster that are here that I feel are underused. Kenyan Drake had 10 total touches Sunday. He’s you’re home run hitter, the big playmaker. C’mon, it’s not like he’s Tavon Austin and we’re afraid he can’t touch the ball too many times, Drake is 6’1 212. Frank Gore is out for the season, and Drake gets 10 total touches. What’s the problem? Where’s the disconnect?
Forget about the defense, Gase has no part of that, and it’s obvious, because Matt Burke still has a job. Oh BTW, our defense is also in the bottom 5. Yeah, we lost some personnel there too, but it’s more than that, a lot more than that. We don’t make adjustments on either side of the ball, just keep going with what we’ve got. What we got ain’t working all too often, so . . . At the very least, if Gase is still here next season, he has to do 2 things. Fire both coordinators, find a legit OC who can call the plays so Gase doesn’t have to sit on the bench during the damn game doodling by himself. Find a legit DC who has been proven elsewhere, and will straighten out and identify our issues, and fix them. That might even be enough to save his job for the future.
I think we MUST draft a QB next season, and not just pick one in RD 5-7 to say we took a QB. It’s possible the best QB for us might be in RD 5, but then I want that guy competing to start from the get-go, and not sitting on the bench because Gase loves Ryan Tannehill. If Tannehill is still here next season, his reign is over. He is on notice, and any real competitors should have a fair shot to unseat him. If somehow he comes out on top, as soon as he falters, the next man up if ready should be given his shot. We’ve seen this show far too many times, It always ends the same. Ryan Tannehill has never played in a playoff game, and he probably never will. Nuff said!
I wish I had a brighter outlook for all of you, I think we all could use a little Dolphins cheer, but we’re going to have to wait and see how things shake out.
Happy Holidays to all of you!
Enjoy!
Finsmob Unleashed 
what kind of firery guy would we want as the leader of this team?
A guy that if you didn’t do your job he would be in your face?
a guy that has has a successful career and one of the top players ever?
one that would be a huge fan favorite.
what if Ross fired the whole FO and Gase and gave all the power to Marino?
I think that would fly, at least it would settle fans down for the Harbaugh wait.
Marino would be a nice PR move
But none of us know whether he would be successful in that role
Albeit I do think it’s realistic given how close they appear to have become lately
Ross needs to give some one the reigns and maybe a lifer like Dan is a good idea
Does Marino want that? Before you anoint Marino football czar, maybe we should find out if he has interest in working his ass off.
If he did want it, I would be happy with Marino running the team. Our offense would never suck again.
If Gase is here in 2019 he will be the walking dead
I hope we still have Dan Campbell’s number on speed dial if we do that
Piggi rest assured if Tannehill is here next year we’ll suck 🐽 For everyone
If you are going to suck everyone’s snout, make sure you use protection!
Dan Marino in charge
Mike Shula as Coach
Anyone named Arnsbarger running the Defense
I’m in
All Schnellenbergers welcome as well
Zach Thomas too!
Of course
The current roster is not anything close to what we went into the season with. Either talent matters or it doesn’t. The Redskins were 6-3 having a solid season and leading their division before they were destroyed with injuries and they’ve gone 1-5 since. You think losing those starters had something to do with it? I do.
I’m not saying everything is fine with our team, but I didn’t think everything was fine at the start. I didn’t expect a big season, I hoped for one but didn’t think we were there yet. I’m surprised we’re even 7-8.
Whatever happens in the offseason will be what it is and I’ll roll with it, but I have to say I find it humorous that many statements get made about how many injuries we suffered and then it gets followed up with “but”. But what? Losing key players and depth and playing backups to backups changes a team. We’re starting some guys off the street. If you thought we were a borderline playoff team going in and then look at the roster we have now and our 7-8 record it’s easy to say that’s not surprising. At least it isn’t to me.
I’ve kind of been with Stanger all year that .500 was about right and with a couple of breaks or big wins we make the playoffs. That didn’t happen but I feel like the sentiment here is none of the injuries happened and we’re talking about a 3-12 team that was suppose to be a championship team. I’m more surprised about that.
Full blown scapegoat mode is in full effect. It wasn’t a good season. Build on what we have that is good and get back at it and hope we can have a season where we don’t lose a ton of talent to injury. We were in the playoff hunt right up to last week even with all our shortcomings.
Whatever we do moving forward… Go Phins!!!! 🙂
Tim In terms of building On what we have
What do we have?
Some good young players with potential
But we don’t really have anything else
Not a good offense
Not a good defense
Not really any units anywhere on either side of the ball that can dominate a game (our secondary isnprobably out best unit)
And my a franchise QB
Like it or not, there’s really not a bright future immediately in fryour not of us
So why are we going to diddle around with it for another season (or more likely portion of a season)?
Piggy, we have talent on this team. Yes we need some upgrades and to get some key players back. But the reason we weren’t particularly good at anything has to do with talent, no? So losing the better players you have makes you worse, no?
I’m not even talking about looking for an upgrade or competition at QB with Tannehill. We should look to improve the position. To me we have to get better in the trenches on both sides of the ball or the rest of what we think needs to be done won’t matter. That said, even if we do that, we need to keep them on the field and not on I/R or missing games in bunches. I don’t have an answer for why we struggle with injuries like we do. If somebody does, I’m sure the team would love to know. LOL
Marino wants it.
He wants to compete with Elway.
I was thinking the same thing
Them in down with it. You do remember he balked in the past, stepped down a few years ago.
^ Then
Didn’t Harbaugh’s players start turning on him in SF? Thought I remeber something to that affect. Could be wrong.
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I like son’s lineup^
A lot of vets thought he was an asshole and didn’t know how to treat grown men with respect.
BBMike
I think it was more like a lot of fights with the FO
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/why-49ers-got-rid-of-jim-harbaugh-2014-12
Just because Marino was a great QB doesn’t mean he’s a personnel guy, just saying. Just like people point out about Gase, without Peyton, what has Elway accomplished in Denver? Not much!
I have never liked Harbaugh the person. He’s a schmuck from what i can see.
He might be ok as an in your face guy for a couple years, but i think that gets old fast, especially in the pros. In college the boys move on so fast and are so young that he can get away with that shit, but I don’t think alienating everybody from GM to equipment guys is any way to build a long term stable pro franchise.
jmho
While I agree that Marino was a great passer, I do not think he would be a great GM and definitely not a good HC. He has nothing to prove nor a career to build, so all the long hours and hard work would be for … what? I doubt he needs the money, and he can only diminish his fame.
I think he likes his current role as resident Big Man on Campus who is teflon about everything suits him just fine.
The problem with hiring a franchise legend is if he fails you have to fire him and that’s never good. That’s one of the reasons the Knicks never wanted to hire Patrick Ewing.
yep … and that’s why Marino would not want to do it either. He already got fired at the end of his playing career. I think no way he wants that again.
He has to have noticed what just happened to Reggie McKenzie.
I’m going to sound ridiculous here, i know, but I think we started 3-0, brought in a ton of team speed, drafted some really good talent recently, and flashed some very exciting big-play potential from our skills players, both offense and defense. We had lots of rookies and other young guys on both sides of the ball, most of whom looked pretty good except for their rookie mistakes.
I think Tanenbaum has learned a lot and improved his wastrel ways. No more Suh-size contracts.
Signing Wilson, Quinn, Gore, and the two OL who got hurt early were good moves.
So i say don’t blow up the FO … this year.
If they continue their trend from last year,
then next year they will draft a great OG, DE, DT, another DL and another OL.
(I leave out QB, because it’s a light class at QB, especially with those guys staying in school.)
If they don’t draft well or sign viable FAs, then yeah fire both Tanenbaum and Grier.
Naples – I don’t think anyone expects Marino to be the HC. Just the guy to bring in a GM, HC and then start working to assemble a team.
ok but I have seen nothing on his resume that says he can do any of that.
All he ever did was throw ropes.
I agree. Just as nothing on Adam Gase’s resume said he could be a HC. FWIW, I didn’t think Tannenbaum and Grier did poorly in the draft. I think just like some of us might hope Marino can get the offense straight, we hoped for the same from Gase, but he hasn’t delivered it. Even before the injuries to Wilson and Grant, our offense wasn’t good, we won with smoke and mirrors. The Patriots were more than happy to reveal what we really were in game 4.
Mike, Gase went through all the coaching ranks like most coaches do before becoming a HC at some point. Marino is just a legendary great player. He’s never been in the personnel business.
As far as Gase goes,
I think somebody needs to sit his young ass down and say Dude …
oops
“Dude … do you LIKE being a HC?
cuz you bout to blow your chance in such a way as to not get to be one again any time soon.”
So, for HC,
as much as i hate to reward mediocrity, I see no one out there we can get whom we would want.
Find me somebody truly better, and maybe I will listen, but I saw some really good things buried in this hot mess of a season we just had which make me think Gase is getting better.
He actually got away from those nasty little WR trip screens and ran Gore and passed to Drake, which is a good combo and Ballage and Bolden looked good on RB plays as well.
Lay an ultimatum on him about a DC who can get his guys to cover all 15 WRs on the field and who will run a DL that can stop getting gashed up the gut, and i will consider letting Gase have one more year.
oh
and REQUIRE that he get an OC who calls high potential plays off the situation card, so Gase can run the team from the sideline and actually concentrate on the shit happenin’ Real Time.
And i mean bring him into a bright office and lock the door and get in Gase’s face and threaten him with termination if he doesn’t cut that shit out.
Tell him he must coach so that we have fewer penalties, better 3rd down conversions, and better development of in-house talent …
OR ELSE, 2019 is his last year. PERIOD.
Now I love Tannehill, who was just voted toughest guy on the team by his teammates, not GASE, but I think he has been beaten up to the point that he is fed up with it and has nothing left to give.
That last pick 6 iced it for me.
Either Tannehill’s career is over, or he’s done in Miami.
Why should he trust his health any longer to a team that won’t get him quality blockers?
Naples – There are trends from Gase that drive me crazy. Why does he continue to under use Kenyan Drake? If he really believes in Tannehill, is it Tannehill that just refuses to make the big throws, or Gase’s offense? If it’s Tannehill, when does Gase sever the cord? Why couldn’t he find a use for Gesicki? If it was poor prep, then get on that kid, make a project out of getting that kid prepared. Mostly, I think he should have found plays for what he can do well, use him as a receiver, find mismatches for him.
I totally agree about Gesicki.
The problem was our OL was so leaky we needed any TE in the game to be a 6th OL when not running primary routes.
I think Tannehill’s second biggest problem besides only having 2 seconds to throw deep to Stills is
Devante Parker.
Gase is deceived by how pretty Parker is, but there is a point when production matters more than style points. Parker even abuses the photo op plays. He needs to score TDs.
Get Gase a Foles or a Mullens or a Bridgewater or someone else you think you want to cheer for in 2019,
And draft a QB in 2020 and every year after till we get a great one.
Let Tannehill go be a back-up to Rosen or Goff or Wilson. He can be a spot-starter and do fine.
I think the Miami fan base needs a new QB. This blog needs a new Dolphins QB.
Tim
So what Gase has been in the coaching ranks. Are you blown away with his OC or DC hirings? Is our offense any better than before he got here? I say a big NO to both of those questions. Philbin was a coach much longer than Gase, is he HC material? I actually think Philbin and Gase share very similar shortcomings, Marino is around the sport, he has contacts, and I’m sure he knows who is good in the executive offices and which coaches he likes etc. Doesn’t mean he will succeed, but if he wants it badly enough, maybe he can get the job done.
Marino has been more involved with the team and the FO this year, he’s probably learned a lot. Again, no guarantee of success, and maybe Ross has no inclination to give him a chance, and maybe Dan himself isn’t interested, we’re just shooting stuff around.
That wasn’t my point. Your comparison of him with Marino being qualified didn’t make sense to me. I know you’re not a fan of Gase. I’m not debating that.
Mike E. says:
December 26, 2018 at 4:57 pm
I agree. Just as nothing on Adam Gase’s resume said he could be a HC.
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I really must disagree here. Gase BEFORE coming to Miami had a near perfect resume for rising to HC. He was the most sought after young stud when we got him.
However,
I said before that the Peter Principle kicks in at ugly times.
I agree that Gase has NOT shown good game management, assistant coaching management, head coaching finesse with vet players, OR player development.
Naples, Tim- I guess what I said made it seem like Gase wasn’t a good HC candidate. I didn’t mean that because I’ve said many times he was one of the best candidates. What I mean to get across is that’s purely speculation and projection. So far he hasn’t lived up to his billing. Maybe something out of the box like Marino is what this franchise needs. Since he’s been gone we’ve been pretty mediocre, maybe his return could change that.
Fair enough. But didn’t Marino pass on that type of role years ago though?
Yes he did, and I mentioned that immediately when Sonny brought it up
Honestly what Gase needs is somebody like a Mike Ditka or a Bill Cowher to get in his face and get loud and blow spittle at him and warn him to knock that stubborn crap off.
Gase might’ve led TOO charmed a life pre Miami, especially then with a playoff year the first year.
In Gase’s defense, (not that i want to defend him) he has had two straight season of nightmarish injuries. So maybe if he can show he has learned some humility and he gets some karma back in the injury report and he gets a QB who knows when to sail the ball into the bleachers …
You might have something. He might have had too easy a path. Imagine if he had Osweiler as his QB in DEN rather than Peyton Manning. He might still be trying to prove he’s a good OC
He’s still a young HC going through the ups and downs which many have gone through. I’ve mentioned before Walsh, Parcells and Belichick all had rough starts. Parcells and Walsh were almost fired and Belichick was fired in his first stint as HC by CLE. Gase ended a 7 year playoff drought for us his first year. He’s had to deal with a lot of personnel issues the last two seasons for sure. If I’m owner I’m staying the course but that’s me.
I think what Gase needs is for our best personnel to stay on the field and possibly a change at QB to a guy who is more of a gunslinger. Obviously always trying to add better players which is always the goal.
I think the issue with dink and dunk is a protection issue. We’ve seen us open it up at times and Tannehill throws it down the field. It’s just not sustainable. This season we’ve had a few great opening drives for TDs which is something we hadn’t done for like 17 straight games. But by the 2nd half of games we can’t block anything. Regardless of whether you want to move on from Tannehill or not, we have to figure out a way to build a good OL and keep them on the field.
Naples,
You sound like someone who looks for any excuse to give someone a 2nd, 3rd, 4th chance and while that’s noble, it shouldn’t be used with our team Gase was 6-10 last year with a terrible offense, terrible defense, and under-utilized his players. Why shouldn’t he have had that tough discussion last year? Why keep someone who hasn’t improved? He’s an offensive guy who hasn’t improved on any of the issues from 2017. Every year he’s helped to decrease the talent on this team. He went 10-6, with someone else’s talent. He hasn’t gotten close to that with his own vision and players. The guy has shown zero humility while you mention that.
Maybe if his own players didn’t go down in droves things would be different.
So you’re now giving Philbin credit for the players Gase won with, the team that went 6-10 the year before? I see what’s happening here. LOL
Philbin didn’t have full control of his roster. Gase does….6-10, 7-8.
You are taking a big risk assuming that’s the issue with the team – the injuries
It’s not even consistent with what you’ve been saying
You’ve been arguing about the expectations of this team before injury and you’ve been admitting you didn’t expect a contender
What if you are right and without the injuries we would have been around .500 or barely on the cusp of a wildcard spot?
Do we need to do that in 2019 to know Gase isn’t the guy?
Does anyone really think we are going to be a contender in 2019 even if we are healthy? This team is lucky to be close .500 but that is exactly where Gase has lead this team, to be lucky to be .500
4 years is enough to make your mark on your team
That’s who we are now.
You are arguing that Injuroes were a problem this year and that no one should have expected us to be a contender anyway
But try this: argue that Gase is going to make us a contender next year. You can’t – bc no one believes that, not even you.
And that’s where a 4th year coach should be on track to being – a contender. That is not the track Gase is on: it doesn’t matter why. It only matters that he’s not getting there.
Now that Herbert has opted out of the draft the odds of us taking a QB in round 1 are nil
Yep, some really good DL available in the teens and we really need one.
I’m not going with nil
But it certainly has dropped
If Haskins stays the odds drop even lower
But I still expect to see Grier or Lock being picked in the 1st
And we are still a QB needy team
So it’s less likely bc the class just dropped in value
But it’s still possible
I will be surprised if Lock goes in round one. His stock took a real hit this year. They installed a pro style offense and he looked totally lost
I heard the same about darnold and Rosen last year
No Locke is different than what happened with those 2 last year
Piggy,
You argue better than I. Think on these two things. First, remember when Parker was rumored to be on the trade block and Gase personally said he was staying? Imagine, if we could have traded that turd for future options. I wonder how many turds weren’t traded because Tannebaum couldn’t get past Gase.
Second. Gase has mentioned in discussion taht he heard too much crap about 6-10 and that wasn’t happening again. Just like Tannenbaum, Grier, and lots of other guys, he’s putting short term personal benefit above the team. He won’t allow us to have short term pain for long term gain because it may cost him. Is that really the guy we need having final say over the Dolphins roster? I say no. Cut this guy loose and count your lucky stars he isn;t making roster decisions anymore…because our talent is in the toilet after these last few years.
I’ll make a really hard argument against Gase then
I’ll make the case about a Jordan Phillips
Now Jordan Phillips was an underachiever for us
No question about that
But did this happen suddenly in the middle of the season this year
If you didn’t think Jordan Phillips was good enough to take a spot on the roster, why didn’t you know that when you finalized the final 53
It’s one thing for a first year coach to cut a guy to send a message
In year 3 to cut a guy mid season – all you do is hurt your depth
The message you send is that you were wrong about the player in August and actually wrong in prior seasons as well
Gase style of managing the roster is fucking crazy
And it’s detormental to the team
One of the reasons I don’t want him around any longer is that I wonder “who’s next”
It wa bad enough to tolerate bad mouthing g Landry and Anaji
I can’t believe reshad Jones has entered into the conversation now
Adam Gase is hurting the talent on this team and he has been doing that for 3 years now
New Age I agree DL is a good bet in this draft. It is my expectation that where is need will meet best player available when we pick
My prediction is Tannehill will be gone this year. We will sign a journeyman QB to battle with Osweiler. We will try to trade a vet or 2 to build some draft capital for 2020 which is going to have an excellent QB class. That is when we will target our next franchise QB. I don’t see it happening this year and I don’t think Tannehill will be with the team next year
I’d like to shore up both lines this draft in prep for the QB in 2020. I’d also like to draft Minshew in the 4th to give him practice being our backup in 2020. An entire year of a 4th rounder running the offense should really up our draft stock and I think he’s a really solid 3rd tier QB. Get DL in first, OL in 2nd, 3rd, Minshew, and a good DB in the 4th, and one filler dude after that. Focus on QB, CB, and DE in 2020.
The thing that pizzes me off more than anything about Herbert staying in school? He would have pushed another good talent down to us. As it stands (picking around 16-20), we’re right on the cusp of a major falloff in talent.
And that’s the reward for mediocrity.
I’m hearing Haskins will join him
Hey, the draft has plenty of OL and DL
So if it shapes up that we, we can focus on that
I actually think made the right decision to stay in school. I think he needs another year
^Herbert
I absolutely agree with that. It just sucks for us being we’re picking where we’re picking.
Ken,
Have you seen the new Star Wars fan film about Vader? I think it’s GRAND!!!
You, too, Pigs… have you seen it?
Not yet
Nope
Not yet
If Haskins stays in school then Grier is probably the only QB to go in the first round
Ryan Finley in the 2nd!….lol
Ken and Pigster, here ya go. It’s FABULOUS!!!
Cool I will check it out
New Age:
I pretty much agree with your draft plan build the lines. Get a QB you can develop in the mid rounds and look for the franchise QB in 2020
So now I’m on the Stidham, Finley or Patterson on day 2 bandwagon
I think those are good options
Speaking of DL
Anyone have any thoughts on Ed Oliver
How about Clelin Ferrel?
I think both or one might be available when we pick
I’d be okay with Simmons in the 1st with o-line in the 2nd & Blough as the qb pick. Either the center from A&M or Benzschawel from Wisconsin
I’m having an extremely difficult time looking past Kentucky DE/LB Josh Allen (6’5″, 260, 4.59). Yes… we’d have to trade up into the top-5 to land him, but man is he ever good. Problem? It would cost an arm and a leg, and I’d rather stockpile draft picks for 2020.
Several of y’all have mentioned that losing William Hayes was a HUGE loss for us (apologies for not remembering who has stated as much), and you guys are 100% correct, at least IMO. I’d be more than willing to bring him back if the price is right and he’s fully recovered, but he’ll be 34 years old entering the ’19 campaign.
I think we should draft Hayes’ replacement (run-stuffing DE) this Draft, and that does NOT preclude re-signing Hayes, either.
Last year, Chad Thomas was that guy (the “U”, round 3, 67th overall pick). Now granted Thomas goes roughly 12 pounds heavier and doesn’t have the speed of Hayes, I think we need a rotational player at the DE position who can actually stop the run like Hayes can.
Maybe we can find a dandy on day 3 of the Draft… Hayes was drafted in the 4th round by Tennessee back in 2008.
M13:
Really cool video about Vader
Thank you for sharing
My pleasure, my man!!! I LOVE it!!!
Okay no energy to have to explain what I’ve been saying for weeks. It takes forever to revisit all of it. I know how I feel about the team and we’ll see what happens this offseason. I know I’ll be back rooting next season. 🤪
I really do hear ya, man. Just so long as ya understand the difference between ‘freak injuries’ and a TREND of ‘freak injuries’… something isn’t right in Miami.
Surely, Gase will be afforded a 4th year… at least that’s my opinion. But he’s GOT to make major changes, namely OC and DC.
I can PROMISE you… if Gase fails in ’19, there WILL be a full reset.
Oh yeah… and the strength and conditioning coaches MUST be fired. They are a bloody joke, at best.
I’ve said and with you a bunch of times I have no idea how to explain the injuries. I said it earlier today.
New Age, you said Gase won with someone else’s players, okay so not Philbin. That team was still 6-10 the year prior. He’s the one who unearthed Ajayi even though it didn’t work out long term. Tannehill was having his best season. I give him a lot of credit for that season and rebounding from 1-4.
M13, I’m not blaming strength and conditioning coaches for the injuries our players have suffered. They’re all normal football injuries just too many of them. Not sure what any coach could do to prevent them. I just wish they would stop or at least cut down like half. LOL
Well, what can you blame the rash of injuries upon?
Sorry… I don’t like using the term “blame”. Rather… what can you attribute the rash of injuries that continue to haunt us? Bro, it’s a TREND.
LOL… ya see we have to blame someone. Coincidence or chance or a curse, the three deadly C’s. LOL
Now then… it wasn’t a revelation to most of us that Adam Gase had control of the roster: that was announced the day Steve Ross hired him. I don’t understand how some here didn’t already know as much.
Did I not RAIL against Steve Ross for the power-structure (BUREAUCRACY!!!) that he installed here? Too many chiefs, not enough Indians. And once Dawn Aponte went out the door (and she was GRAND for us!!!), Mike Tannenbaum went and funked up EVERYTHING she had done to keep us in check in terms of contracts, salary cap, and spending.
I’m sorry, but for the nth-time… TANNENBAUM MUST GO!!! He didn’t learn, as I had hoped from his days as a stej. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times (GWB)… 😆
M13, I believe Gase fired and hired new strength and conditioning coaches this past offseason, we had a lot of injuries last year too. I have no idea WTF is going on. It sucks because it changes potential and seasons. Going through it with the Mets too.
Then what I would offer our Phins is an investigation as to why these injuries continue to occur. No, not a criminal investigation(!), rather, a who/what/where/when/why/how matter.
Is it a lack of hydration (seemed to be the case with DeVante for a time), a lack of health to begin with (drafting/FAs who have previous injuries), bringing in undersized players to compete against behemoths, or SOMETHING of the like.
Tim, there IS an answer out there… we just don’t know what it is as of yet.
I’m pretty sure the team is looking at everything. We’re not the only team it’s happening to. But the ones it happens to fall by the wayside. But we care about our team.
So on another note, which players do you think won’t be back, not preferences, what you think will happen? I’m thinking about mine now. I think it could be quite a few.
It’s too early for me to say, Brother. One day at a time. Once ‘Black Monday’ comes and goes, we’ll have a better feel. If management is wiped clean, there’ll be a new sheriff in town, and he’ll want his own style of players.
I’m talking about FAs, contracts vs. production, guys like that. On my mind is James, Parker, Anthony, Quinn (who I like), Wake who we all love, Jones who seems a bit disgruntled…
I can’t call it, Brother. If there is a true regime change, anything we think today is out the window tomorrow.
He deserves it, he had a great year, he is the X factor. Of course he had to go down too. 😩
He reminds me of Revis, he works at his craft and gets it. That guy that teams think twice about throwing against. He’s also a BALLHAWK!!!!!
We need better players. There’s no reason to think we’d be anything but an average team with our starters, so trying to say we’d have been better with them doesn’t mean much. Gase got his wish on what players he kept and which he jettisoned. How the team performed is on him. His choices. His responsibility.
The way you’re talking, Gase should be fired… and that’s something that Old Man Ross must consider.
We’re 7-8 with all the injuries, you don’t think we were better with the key players we lost even if only by 2-3 games? I think we’d be trying to sure up a playoff spot this Sunday if we hadn’t lost a few of them.
I really don’t know how to proceed until I know what happens on ‘Black Monday’.
And yes… there will be players on our team FIGHTING for their very football lives/careers come this Sunday.
Tim Knight says:
December 26, 2018 at 10:40 pm
We’re 7-8 with all the injuries, you don’t think we were better with the key players we lost even if only by 2-3 games? I think we’d be trying to sure up a playoff spot this Sunday if we hadn’t lost a few of them.
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Pig addressed you on this, though. You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth, my man!
I said that we’d be 9-6 (Remember, LOL! I meant to say 9-7). Yes, I predicted us getting in via the Wildcard. So yes… I had EXPECTATIONS to make the playoffs this year, and screw Vegas (yeah… ALWAYS trust Vegas! LMAO).
Now I KNOW(!) you’re going to try and bait me with, ‘well, if we didn’t have injuries!’. Guess what… every team has injuries… NO EXCUSES.
I spoke on our lack of depth several moons ago, and now most everyone seems to UNDERSTAND. “Next man up”? S#!T… we don’t have a qualifier for “next man up”.
I give up. It’s not both sides of my mouth, it’s different points for different reasons. Everyone continue to bash the team top to bottom. I hope all of your wildest dreams come true. LOL
Bro, don’t give up! Your optimism is something that keeps us even. Ya heard?!! 🙂
Tim,
Nope. I thought we were an 8ish win team to begin with….maybe less. I get your point, but it doesn’t mean we are a good team….and it’s purely conjecture. It’s completely possible we would have exactly the same record w/o all the injuries. Regardless, injuries happen. Hoping they won’t is pointless. We’ll have them next year too. It’s why rosters are 53 guys.
Tim,
And I realize you get all excited when Old Dolfan and I talk about our O-Line… but we were RIGHT. And over the last two Drafts, we’ve selected only ONE O-Line player (the one who is always inactive): Issac Asiata.
Mistake, much?
Tim Knight says:
December 26, 2018 at 10:50 pm
He deserves it, he had a great year, he is the X factor. Of course he had to go down too. 😩
He reminds me of Revis, he works at his craft and gets it. That guy that teams think twice about throwing against. He’s also a BALLHAWK!!!!!
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HELL YEAH!!!
GO XAVIEN!!!
I’m audi. I think there are VERY GOOD convos going on here!
Peace to ALL!
M13, I’m not looking for a fight. But I am tired of you and OD acting like you’re the only ones who ever focused on the OL because that is so inaccurate it’s absurd. Everyone here has been talking OL since Jake Long flamed out and left. I just think you two are the only ones who gave each other badges for that club. LOL
I don’t care who gets fired.
Just too bad they are gonna miss out on that bag of chips they could have gotten….well….maybe the best offer was only a stick of gum. Either way, so long Parker.
Tim Knight says:
December 26, 2018 at 4:11 pm
Just because Marino was a great QB doesn’t mean he’s a personnel guy, just saying. Just like people point out about Gase, without Peyton, what has Elway accomplished in Denver? Not much!
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Not much ay, how about a SB win against the Panthers and an appearance against the Seahawks with numerous playoff appearances.
I’ll take “not much”
I said without Peyton.
i dont think Marino wants to be GM< its too much for him, he already tried it for a few minutes then he bailed.
he does love Miami, thats obvious to all, but its alot of responsibility to be a GM< and alot of stress. Marino doesnt really need that in his life, and it possibly played into his decision to say im outta here when given a chance to lead this team from the FO
maybe he has changed his mind, maybe not, but the team would do better with an accomplished experienced GM< that really wants and values the position.
GM isnt a job for someone not totally committed to it IMO, and I would be leary of Marinos commitment to something he might not really want, i would need to see some passion and conviction from Dan , show us He really wants it
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I have heard a rumor that Gase and Tbaum are not on the same page
Final say on the 53 & bringing in the players are not the same thing
we need cb qb rb dl, ol and wr, damn\\
Gore is at the end of his career, and the team needs a rb, or a new coach that will utilize Drakes skills more,
Drake is our top back, and should be respected as such and used often, and he needs Ballage, and this guy for his backups,Kenny Snell
We have Drake and Ballage
RB is pretty low on the priority list
You can’t draft every position
Complete control over the 53 man roster is ambiguous. I would take it as meaning he doesn’t have final say over drafted players or free agents, but once the players are on the team, he decided who plays, when and where. Make sense?
And who gets cut
He probably do eat bring in new players
But once they are on the team, he pretty much has control
I would think bringing in free agents would be a committee approach, but cutting players Gase would have say on
If he had complete control you don’t need Grier or Tbomb
There are many coaches who have the final say over the 53
Just not to many rookie head coaches
They need to give someone the authority and orders to fire all the quarterbacks
Yup
What I found interesting was the rumored fractions between Gase and Tbomb
Suppose your coach loves guys that are killing your cap, you have lots of needs and no room, puts your GM in a mess
Suppose you coach cuts big $$$ players to make room and your GM screams there goes all of our “star” players, Vegas is going to have us at 4 wins bla bla bla
You can easily see where two guys from a shotgun wedding can fall apart
I hear rumors that Tannenbaum is going to be fired but that Grier and Gase are going to be retained. IMNSHO this is another yuge mistake by Ross. If he gets rid of Tannenbaum he needs to clean house. He has done this rolling re-start too many times. Keeping the HC and changing the GM, changing the GM and keeping the HC. Clean house. Hire a freaking competent GM and let him assemble the coaching staff, etc. Ross knew nothing of football when he bought the team. he has learned on the job, but he hasn’t learned his lesson.
Oh and the answer is NOT hiring a former player or coach to be the czar. Harbough as czar would be a disaster, like Parcells was. Tim said above that Marino is probably not a good choice and pointed to Elway to which Rob said he would “take it”. Elway bought himself a ring with the last gasp of Manning’s arm. The Broncos have been on a slide since.
I don’t have the answers but I believe that it should start again from the top. Dump Tannen-BUM, hire a REAL GM and get a real HC with real Coordinators.
GGG
The pattern so far seems as though he is afraid to have no one he is familiar with in the office, he doesn’t spend the time there to really understand the pulse of the business or maybe just doesn’t get it at all
But I don’t expect the filling of holes vs clean house and hire a complete stranger to end any time soon even if I agree that’s probably the way it should happen
I think it’s always a little unclear as to how decisions are made. I also think “stories” are created sometimes to obfuscate the situation for multiple reasons. I would assume there is always a group think process about players, rosters and draft picks. But, ultimately, someone has the final say if disagreements occur. If Gase and Tbaum disagree on something…unless Ross decides…one of them has final say. That may be a different person in different situations…TBaum with the draft and Gase on roster cuts, for instance. But in the end, one person makes the call in a dispute, I would assume. That means there will be situations that arise where there is conflict amongst the participants. Not everyone always gets what they want, presumably. All we can hope for as fans is that they work through those conflicts and come to the best decision for the team.
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That said, I thought the message from the team and Gase himself for quite some time was that he had control over his roster. Is that not accurate? What we hear now is more likely just rhetoric setting the groundwork for whatever it is they’ve decided to do.
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/20181226/miami-dolphins-john-denney-40-will-retire-only-when-they-show-me-door
THIS OFF SEASON! PLEASE THIS OFF SEASON!
The “rumor mill” also hadGase wanting L Jackson in the draft and Tbomb shot it down
We will probably never know the validity of this but if true would help to spell out the power structure
I do know lots of people believe Gase rides with Tannehill but I’m not sure I’ve ever specifically spell that out, I’ve read many times however that his position is that Tannehill is the quarterback of the guys on the roster
Tbombs feelings toward Jackson were however spelled out in the press
Who knows, rumors are what they are, but that said an awful lot of people work at the building in Davie so I’m sure it’s hard to keep on lid on all of the day to day stuff
One of the latest a friend of mine was telling me is that Ross is interested with the guy from Philly who supposedly is high on Gase
Guess we’ll see
According to the Miami Herald, the Dolphins are prepared to move on from Ryan Tannehill after this season rather than pay him the $19 million he’s owed over the next two years.
None of Tannehill’s 2019-2020 scheduled pay is guaranteed, so it will be an easy cord to cut. By releasing or trading Tannehill, the Fins would save $13.2 million under the 2019 salary cap, or $18.7 million if he’s designated a post-June 1 cut. Amid reports the front office will also be cleaned out, the Dolphins’ organization appears headed for a near-full overhaul this offseason.
This cam from an article on the herald, recompiled by Rotoworld, so who knows how much real shit is in it but i really dont see how this could not be true. I am more skeptical about the FO part, but it seems pretty possible to me, especially if the FO is the reason we didnt take a shot at QB. Lamar Jackson wasnt a good pick at 11, but a trade back and picking him up later i could have seen that. I definitely think though we got a good player, and i believe we did right drafting him instead of Jackson, still i do think the not taking a shot for a QB was a dumb move and worthy of skepticism being put on TBaum for not pulling the trigger.
he wasn’t a good pick at #32 overall either…..
Why would Gase back Tanny like he was his own son and push to draft a QB high in the draft? It makes no sense. Unless, Gase was just being a good coach and backing his player with the media…with which I have no problem. But, it certainly changes the perception of Tanny and how they value or see him as a player. If you think he is truly your future at QB, you don’t spend a 1st or 2nd round pick on a QB. Seems weird to me.
What seems weird? Someone saying that someone else said that Gase said he liked Jackson? Yeah, that is weird….
Yeah, we should have sold the farm for;
Josh Allen: 51.7 1,850 7TD 11Int 63.7Rat
Sam DuhArnold: 57.8 2,698 17TD 15Int 77.8Rat
Josh Rosen: 55.4 2,129 10TD 14Int 66.0Rat
Lamar Jackson: 58.2 1,022 6TD 3Int 84.9Rat
I am much happier with Fitzpatrick
GGG
Getting Jackson was not a real possibility. Fitzpatrick was beyond doubt the best player available at 11. Jackson was a questionable first round pick. We would have to expend some significant draft capital to move back up into the first round to draft him
I will say this about Tannehill. I always liked him. I never thought he was the problem. I always believed you can build a winning team around him. That said he is now on the other side of 30. He has missed playing time due to injury for 3 consecutive years in a row and his upside is not much higher. It is time to restock the QB position. I just don’t see anyone in this draft that is going to be our next franchise QB
GM is gonna be had to replace. Im not saying this because i think TBaum is a GM Wizard or anything but quality GM’s arent just floating around. They are usually responsible for getting the coach and staff too, though sometimes its the owner instead. So getting a so so replacement for TBaum just gets us another so so outcome. I dunno. I would have to see who they have in mind as a replacement to know if i thought TBaum should go.
I think Ross made a serious mistake in deciding to keep Gase because it and declaring that Gase has control over the roster. This will seriously limit the quality GMs who might be interested in coming to Miami
I think the question is what does Gase think about Nick Foles. He will be the best QB available in the off season. We are unlikely to get a shot at Grier so if we want a new QB and try to compete next year Foles is probably the guy. I am not a huge Foles fan. He has had some great moments but he has also been inconsistent
Sounds like the same old story, instead of tearing it down, we replace pieces.
Yep
Rockphin says:
December 27, 2018 at 1:10 pm
Yeah, we should have sold the farm for;
Josh Allen: 51.7 1,850 7TD 11Int 63.7Rat
Sam DuhArnold: 57.8 2,698 17TD 15Int 77.8Rat
Josh Rosen: 55.4 2,129 10TD 14Int 66.0Rat
Lamar Jackson: 58.2 1,022 6TD 3Int 84.9Rat
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You dont get a QB for first year statistics. It usually unreasonable to think a QB produces in his first year, even some of the greater QB’s took a year or so to get going. I never liked Darnold, nor Jackson really, i thought Rosen could be something at some point, but Allen and Mayfield were my top choices. I wouldnt have sold the farm but it would feel better to me to know they made calls and attempted to make a deal and the price was just too much for them to do.
I think we need to build with our own QB. About the only QB id look to pick up this offseason that i might consider keeping past a year or two is Teddy Bridgewater and i would hope after a year he would be the backup and not still the starter.
I am not that sold on Bridgewater. Even before his knee injury I never thought he was anything special
If we get rid of Tannehill,
do we give Luke Falk a legit shot at starting?
I like Faulk but I think his upside is limited. I don’t see him as a starting QB. I think he may well be a very good career backup
IMO if Gase is here next season so is Tannehill. I hope Gase is Gone this time next year.
D says:
December 27, 2018 at 1:49 pm
GM is gonna be had to replace. Im not saying this because i think TBaum is a GM Wizard or anything but quality GM’s arent just floating around. They are usually responsible for getting the coach and staff too, though sometimes its the owner instead. So getting a so so replacement for TBaum just gets us another so so outcome. I dunno. I would have to see who they have in mind as a replacement to know if i thought TBaum should go.
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Ken says:
December 27, 2018 at 1:58 pm
I think Ross made a serious mistake in deciding to keep Gase because it and declaring that Gase has control over the roster. This will seriously limit the quality GMs who might be interested in coming to Miami
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Grier is the GM
Yes, Mike is VP of Football Operations. IMO it would be better to remove both, and the HC, and start over with a new group, not just replace a part of the group.
we had a lot of injuries, that has to be taken into account,
if you keep firing coaches that hurts even worse, the only way i fire Gase is if i know i could upgrade and i’m not sure that’s possible this year.
Naples – I’d almost rather see Falk than Tannehill. That would probably yield worse results, but we can use a year like that. The pain before the glory, at least that’s how I would hope it would work out.
Skip the “almost”. I would rather see Falk. 🙂
Falk that!
Rob – Do you think Tannehill can finally throw 30 TD’s? (While the good QB’s now throw 40- 50?
I think that there’s more to winning than just one guy, but Tannehill needs to get better at getting rid of the ball too many sacks.
I don’t think we have a QB on the roster that beats him out next year.
we had a lot of injuries to our WR corp and that may be why he is holding the ball too long, + coaching may be a factor.
not sure it’s all on Tannehill.
It’s never ALL on Tannehill, but he could play here for 20 years and we’ll be making excuses why he can’t throw 30 TD’s in a season. He’s not the guy, so to see anyone but him to me would be refreshing.
I would like to get Haskims here, he looks to be the real deal, moves well and is very accurate.
Tanny still has accuracy issues on deep throws
Tannehill throws a missle, but throwing a missle is sometimes hard to hit your target, he has a lack of touch on deep throws. Haskims seems to have that touch.
his awareness in the pocket is pathetic, Haskims seems to move well in the pocket.
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if i’m replacing Tannehill that would be my target.
Tannehill has never learned how to throw a touch pass, like a slow arcing rainbow. He can’t do it.
exactly, a high arcing rainbow where your rec can run under it, all you see from him is low trajectory missles that need pin point accuracy.
you have to consider Gases play-calling as well,
I’m not a fan of that and that impacts the QB play
I consider it all, which is why I think they should all be gone next season.
I think Gase has control over who makes the team and who starts etc., not who we acquire. Of course he’d have some say in that, but not total control.
If Ross does blow it up we might find out shortly after the last game. You don’t want to have people in place while you’re courting others ala Harbaugh.
An ugly loss on Sunday and we should know very quickly
Not sure this last game will decide anything. I’m sure whatever Ross is thinking of doing is already in place.
Ken says:
December 27, 2018 at 2:28 pm
I am not that sold on Bridgewater. Even before his knee injury I never thought he was anything special
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I agree, but he is a really reliable QB. Nothing special but he is consistent so he would make a really good backup and stand in starter until a rookie got his feet.
naplesfan2010 says:
December 27, 2018 at 2:55 pm
If we get rid of Tannehill,
do we give Luke Falk a legit shot at starting?
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Id give Falk a shot, you dont hurt anything having more competition. I wouldnt put my eggs in that basket though. The only thing i think Falk gives us is a reason not to double up in the draft at QB. F falk wasnt here i would say we 100% should draft two QB’s and fairly early (ive mentioned Lock and Grier and a nice combo) and do the Redskins thing, like they did with RG3 and Cousins. Falk might make it only necessary to draft one.
Falk couldn’t beat out Gabbert. There’s better out there.
Mike E. says:
December 27, 2018 at 3:26 pm
Yes, Mike is VP of Football Operations. IMO it would be better to remove both, and the HC, and start over with a new group, not just replace a part of the group.
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There is an argument for that for sure. We have been doing partial rebuilds and getting partial results. There might be a argument for clean house and start over this time for sure.
When Tannenbaum was hired in 2015, he did then hire a new GM in Grier even though from within and then Gase in 2016. So that was sort of a total rebuild. VP hires GM and HC simultaneously.
TBaum was here the year before but just wasnt in the VP of operations capacity, i do remember him already being here though, when Hickey was.
Tannehill has a great arm but he’s a poor passer and I don’t think what he lacks is something you can teach.
I like Haskins a lot as a guy who is natural passer but also has a strong arm.