Rebuilding and the Dolphins Coaching Search

So much drama surrounding the Dolphins Head Coach search, and also the with the philosophy of a rebuild here in Miami. First things first. Chris Grier, not Steve Ross will be choosing the new Head Coach. Grier is complete charge of football operations, and he’s the guy making the decisions. If you think Steve Ross will be meddling with the decision, that’s on you.

Is a rebuild such a bad thing? What really is a rebuild? I’d say there are probably a lot of different ways to rebuild something. If you replace the short block of an engine, that’s considered a rebuild, but the whole unit wasn’t rebuilt. I think for the Dolphins, what we’re going to do is not make the same mistakes we’ve made in the past few years. Flash back to 2015, when we signed Ndamukong Suh for a 6 YR $114M contract. Great player at a premium position, but we weren’t one player away, and honestly, Suh never flourished here. No more huge contracts for 1 player.

It’s more than just Suh though, it’s going for the quick fix. In 2017 when we lost Ryan Tannehill, we should have soldiered on with what we had, rather than pay Jay Cutler $10M. I wanted the quick fix, but it was selfish, and foolish, and it was a poor use of cap money. That’s what needs to change here. Getting rid of Mike Pouncey was a start in the right direction, and in the off season, the purge should continue. Robert Quinn ($12.9M), Andre Branch ($7M), Devante Parker ($9.4M) should all be purged. Cam Wake, who we all love shouldn’t even be considered for a re-sign. Let him go win a championship somewhere else.

Besides just outright cutting players, I think we should trade a couple of players. The most obvious one is Ryan Tannehill, and his market is completely undetermined. Not sure if we can recoup any more than a late round pick, like a 5th or later, but all it takes is one team that really wants him, and we can possibly do better. I know a couple of you here are tired of this one, but you guys aren’t focusing long term, you’re still fantasizing about success next season. I’d trade Reshad Jones for what I believe could be a 3rd RD pick to a team who needs that veteran presence and maybe is a player or 2 away from what they believe is a championship. It’s a minor cap savings, but we have 3 safeties in T.J. McDonald, Minkah Fitzpatrick and Reshad Jones, and T.J. won’t bring back the bounty of a 3rd RD pick. When you have numerous holes during a rebuild, you don’t keep a glut of talent at one position, it doesn’t make sense.

We’re trying to become a team that not only has a younger roster, but one that will have lots of cap space for flexibility. No more big FA contracts, and certainly no high priced FA contracts to older players. Quinn was a trade, but that 4th RD pick we gave to the Rams, plus the salary we had to pay Quinn was a loss for us. Maybe that’s part of the reason MTP is now banished from the kingdom.

As for the Head Coach, I don’t have a horse in this race. I like certain things about each of the candidates, but I don’t feel like any of them are the a clear cut choice. It’s probably silly to not want Brian Flores from the Patriots, but former Patriots coaches that left NE and became HC’s have had dreadful results. Romeo Crennel (28-55), Josh McDaniels (11-17), Matt Patricia (6-10), and Eric Mangini (33-47). Of course none of this means Brian Flores won’t succeed, but whatever qualifications any of those coaches had, the success of the New England Patriots is on the shoulders of Bill Belichick.

I love Darren Rizzi’s passion, fire, and respect the fact that his unit has been consistently very good. I don’t have a clue as to what his offensive and defensive philosophies are. They might be good ones, but we don’t know. Kris Richard was the defensive backs coach and then coordinator for the Seattle Seahawks for the “Legion of Boom” era. You have to love that. We don’t know what his plan is on offense, and we don’t know how he is at game planning and handling the entire roster. I feel that whatever HC we hire, it would be great if we could get some continuity going, but that requires patience. Would Ross accept 3 losing seasons and continue on for the sake of continuity?

Last night driving home, I was listening to Bill Polian, and unfortunately, just caught the tail end of the discussion, but what I did hear was Polian saying that teams like Dolphins, Bucs, Cardinals are in a pattern of failure, and are setting themselves up for such every time they make a coaching change. He’s right. We all hunger for it, yet each time we do it, it sets the team back a couple of years. The best teams like the Patriots, Steelers, Packers, Ravens have had the same Head Coach for 5 or more years, which keeps the same system in place, and allows a team to continue to build the roster with a particular style, rather than flushing players every few years that don’t match the new regimes style. Polian said what the Dolphins, Bucs are doing is a “Self fulfilling prophecy”. He’s right.

If we’re going to pick a Head Coach, I think we as fans have to try and be patient, but more importantly, Steve Ross does. He has to block out what the media wants, what the fans want, and just let the HC build something. In retrospect, I think we may have cut Gase too soon, although I didn’t like him, and hated the way he got along with players, maybe he deserved more time. Too late now, but hopefully this time, we don’t make that same mistake.

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1,567 Responses to Rebuilding and the Dolphins Coaching Search

  1. ElephantRider says:

    First. I’ll read this ASAP

  2. son of a son of a shula says:

    Minkah is our Corner opposite Howard. Think Rod Woodson. Get our best players on the field. QB is essentially the rebuild, who we get and how long it takes to get going. Our D-line needs some youth and a healthy o-line. Most of the good young talent has been picked by Grier, keep adding it. I don’t see it as so dramatic.

    • Mike E. says:

      I don’t think CB is where Minkah is best. He should be on the field all the time, but not at CB, but at FS. I want him out there playing the outfield. I didn’t think he looked particularly good at CB.

    • Mike E. says:

      I’ll be surprised if he doesn’t get his wish. I think the Jets will hire him.

    • D says:

      They would be dumb no to. The guy has been successful, maybe time has passed him by a little but you cant argue with his accomplishments. That said i want new blood here, or at least a younger coach to build a dynasty with. The Jets need to find even temporary success with someone since their football market is so big and fickle that they need to get the upper hand on the Giants, before the Giants get shit turned around.

  3. D says:

    Hey Try,
    Im in agreement with you on Swinney, I dont like him as a coach in the NFL and as a person i have listened to him talk and i dont thin the guy is really smart. I think he is the perfect college football coach because he inspires young men to give their best, but i dont think he would have that same success with me in the NFL who are playing as a profession and all the concerns and motivational differences that define the professional game from the collegiate.

    I dont know if any of your other motivations are based upon his religious stance, but to me thats the beauty of this country and the world is people who think and feel differently can have the same goals in different aspects of their lives and still come to gether and accomplish those goals. I wouldnt hold that against him. You are right though, and as i suspect with you, its more towards some of the things i see about him that dont make us feel he is a great coach, so count me in your camp in that regard.

  4. son of a son of a shula says:

    Minkah, remember was a rookie, was consistently being graded out as one of the best CB when opposite Howard any struggles he had came when he was replacing X.

    • Mike E. says:

      Or maybe once coaches got tape on him playing CB, they were able to expose his weaknesses and tendencies.

    • D says:

      Minkah played boundary CB at Alabama in his freshman year and some as a sophmore. The guy was rated out as the second best CB in last years draft and the number 1 safety. As an overall prospect he was the best DB in the group. Ramsey is the best SS, but if you wanted a pure hybrid DB player, Minkah is the best one in several drafts.

    • stangerx says:

      Minkah was a fine CB, but thought better at slot than when put out to the boundary. And with Mike E that am thinking either FS or as one of two interchangeable safeties is where the guy will thrive most. He reads plays and schemes….. that is less important in outside coverage.

  5. stangerx says:

    Awesome write Mike E — but I just don’t know what to think at this point. The future is just so wide open. So interested in what will happen, but all am sure of is will be lots of change…. less so maybe but still even if Rizzi comes in. And I was hoping to give Gase another year too, especially given all the injuries. But also can’t blame Ross one bit if the stories of Gase copping an attitude are true. Would either mean that Gase is stupid (which don’t think true) or has an ego and emotions that he can’t control at times (which must be the case).

    • Mike E. says:

      I was up in the air as to whether we should keep or fire Gase, but I wasn’t upset at all when I found out he was gone. There are things I hated about Gase, and I didn’t see much improvement with him with those things. This time, I hope we’re a little more patient with our HC.

      • Mike E. says:

        Thanks Stanger

      • D says:

        I would have been ok if he was retained, IF he was told to get a QB that could run this system and he can stop saying he isnt able to open up the playbook like he wants to. He needed to do that when he came in, and i dont know if he was told to make do with what he had (Tanny) or if that he was just too stubborn to admit he couldn’t do it with him, after all he had the QB guru reputation to maintain.

    • D says:

      Dominoes have to fall before judgment can be made on the next one, so we need to see what coach we are going to get, and then what his staff will be , and then what O and D philosophies they will have, and then what players will be sent packing and then which will be available to us to fit those systems in FA, and then what players we have left that we still need to get from the draft. I think the only real constant here is QB because it doesnt matter who comes in, he is going to have to be looking for a new one to run whatever system he plans to implement.

  6. son of a son of a shula says:

    When Minkah is ready for his next contract I’m sure he’d rather be a Corner.
    If he plays CB our secondary is set. Get rid of Jones and we’re looking for a starter at CB when we need Dline bad.

    • D says:

      Corner get really big contract so year even if just talking about the FT, he would rather be FT or 5th year’d as a CB over S.

    • Mike E. says:

      Lots of ways to look at it. You think T.J. McDonald is better on the back end than Minkah? I think T.J. is better near the LOS, allowing Minkah to patrol the outfield, and go where he senses the play to be. Having the extra 3rd RD pick from the Jones trade allows us to take a CB in RD3, and frees us up to have flexibility with our other 3 picks in the first 3 rounds.

      • son of a son of a shula says:

        We have a series of 2nd round picks that couldn’t start at CB now a third rounder will come in and start?
        You and Gase have a hardon for Jones, you saw what happened to Gase, just sayin…

  7. D says:

    One think i hope for sure is that we dont have McCain at boundary CB next year. He needs to go back to NCB.

  8. D says:

    Mikey i think the team is going to be broken down to its base and completely rebuilt. I think the talent that fits the rebuild will be retained and the rest will be cut loose so people that do fit can replace them.

    I think this is so we can get a true identity. I brought this up many time during the time Gase has been coach. We looked like a bunh of people running around playing like individuals. When it happened in year 1, i thought, ok new coach, shit hasent set in, and then for a brief span of time it wa like ok we are all on the same page now. The next year it was back to the same no identity bunch of individuals running around and i thought well, its the players and the fact we lost Tanny at the beginning of the year that shook shit up. Then there was this year and we are back to no ideentiy on offense and very little of one on defense.

    It always seemed like the coach and the players had a giant disconnect from one another and no one had any idea of how to fix it. Sure blame it on injuries, but there was something deeper at play here, and obviously was for Ross to basically admit we didn’t have consistent philosophy in the building and thats why he was putting one man over all of it.

    I think this si what people call a come to jesus moment, or in the case of a 12 step program, step 1, admitting you have a problem that you have no current solution for and getting some fucking help. Grier is the man thats being tapped to do this. He is going to give us direction and cohesion or he is going to be held responsible for it. Im hoping he can get this all figured out and find the right guy to help his brand of football at least get us back to playing like a team. The first year thats absolutely all i wanna see if looking like a team again on the field, not looking like a bunch of tumbleweeds blowing this way and that.

    • Mike E. says:

      A lot of truth there, but just because Ross has put Grier in charge of the rebuild, the question is, does Ross have the patience to actually let it play out? Say we go 2 seasons with less than 6 wins each season, and then another season with a slight improvement, say 7 wins, does he stay the course, or does he become impatient and then fire Grier and start the process all over again?

      • D says:

        I think it depends on how we look as a team. Ross is expcting growing pains, he said so he said he would be patient, but if the team looks as discombobulated as we did with Gase, i dont think he will let it ride on very long. There was something obviously wrong with our team, and i think the obvious to a non football guy part is what made Ross pull that trigger.

  9. D says:

    I think the real reason that Gase was not retained was on both sides. I dont think he had a great solution for how he could get shit under control. He has never fully copped to it being out of control just bad circumstance, and when you are as clueless as we often look, any person, including our owner knows thats a bunch of shit. Im sure that answer didnt inspire Ross to keep Gase and i bet there was some finger pointing between Gase and TBaum which got both of them the axe. Ross was looking for an answer and didnt get a good enough one from either of them. Thats my feeling on what happened, because i could easily see that being how both of those guys acted just from hearing them talk previously. I think Gase didnt want to have to try again to rebuild shit, so i think he felt he would rather take a shot at hitting a coaching market that was not filled with people with a lot of experience and take his coaching to a new team with less of a rebuild planned.

  10. Mike E. says:

    Son – You have it all wrong. I don’t have anything against Reshad, and I’m certainly not in agreement with Adam Gase, screw him! If we’re rebuilding, I look at the roster, I look at the salaries, and I try and see where we can make improvements. We have 3 safeties, and one of them is tradeable, and he’s making just shy of THREE TIMES more than the other big safety who tackles well and plays well near the LOS, while my other safety is a young technician and diagnostician who can play the outfield. So I say to myself, why do we need 3 safeties, when we have holes all over our roster? Trade Jones, bring back some draft capital, and we fill more holes. Trading Jones doesn’t really leave a hole, because we have McDonald signed through 2021.

  11. D says:

    As far as Jones is concerend, whenever you consider losing talent you look at a few things.

    1) How good is this guy. Is he a generational talent, once in a decade, once every 5 years kinda player? If so you probably arent going to be able to legitimately be able to replace him before you wind up being replaced yourself as a coach lol.

    2) do you have a next man up that is going to adequately fill that gap. I dont mean he comes in and fills it perfectly, but with just a little drop off tops.

    3) Is the player older and costly enough that its hurting the development of the team holding on to him when you really arent going to be able to make use of his talent before father time finally catches up?

    4) what are the other benefits he brings to the team outside of his play that you would also be losing.

    I see Jones being inside a 3 year window before his play drops off. I see him as being a once every 5 year type player that we do have a next man up available that would fill his position adequately. I think his cost is high, but considering the play we get from him, not overly. I dont think he is preventing the team from moving forward. I think he also brings mentorship and leadership to the team, and we dont really have players on the defensive side of the ball contributing that way outside of him. That would leave a void.

    I personally would not get rid of Jones for a couple more years given my feelings on these, i think he is more valuable than what we could get from him in a trade. I think given his skill set and his leadership he will give us continuity in this coach change and his skill set will meet any defensive secondary philosophy that a new coach brings helping the other players transition better. I think especially in a transition year, Jones is a keeper.

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      Richard would want him I bet. Jones is absolutely a keeper.

      • D says:

        Like i said with his FS/SS skill set there arent many people who wouldn’t want him. He fits almost any system.

      • D says:

        About the only system i dont think he fits is a primarily cover 1 system and not many people run those.

      • stangerx says:

        Jones is a great player. Only Q with him is if his window fits with the team’s. If we go total rebuild then might not. But yeah he is one of my favorites on the team, but then pretty sure we would be doing Wake a favor by letting him head to another team…..even if he is one of my favorites as well.

  12. Mike E. says:

    The hole at CB is there already, having Jones doesn’t help us there.

    • D says:

      Just helps us not to have to take a guy who might fill the CB2 spot and use him at safety. Doesnt ultimately fix that we need to add at CB.

      • D says:

        The difference in ya’lls opinion on that is that one of you feels Minkah makes a good CB2 and the other like him as a safety.

  13. Mike E. says:

    One thing I will say about trading Jones, if we don’t get a 3rd RD pick or better, I don’t think I make that trade. I’m not just trying to get him out of here, I want value for him.

  14. Mike E. says:

    D says:
    January 9, 2019 at 12:29 pm (Edit)

    The difference in ya’lls opinion on that is that one of you feels Minkah makes a good CB2 and the other like him as a safety.
    Yep, and that Son looks at players emotionally, while I’m not! 😛

    • D says:

      I dont either but i still feel that Reshad is viable and could help our team transition. I know what you are looking at and it makes sense to have the biggest cap possible for the rebuild but sometimes ya hurt yourself more than help. Im not even talking about noext year which i fully expect us to look like a rebuilding team, but i like the mentor aspect he brings.

  15. D says:

    stangerx says:
    January 9, 2019 at 12:29 pm

    Jones is a great player. Only Q with him is if his window fits with the team’s. If we go total rebuild then might not. But yeah he is one of my favorites on the team, but then pretty sure we would be doing Wake a favor by letting him head to another team…..even if he is one of my favorites as well.
    Jones could be there by the time we got our team turned around. He would still be viable for 1-2 more years after the 2-3 year rebuild i think it would take. Now the question is would he want to wait that long to get his shots at a ring. Part of this is whats best for the team but ya have to consider what the player feels is best for him. We dont know that he isnt in the office right now asking them to find a trade partner for next year.

  16. son of a son of a shula says:

    Not emotional in my thinking. We have a solid secondary and no need to mess with it. We need Dline and Oline and especially Quarterbacks then add as much talent as we can to the roster.
    Maybe a little emotional truth be told but not standing in front of logic.

    • Mike E. says:

      I know you bro – You get emotionally invested in players. You can’t fool me. I do too, but we need to shake things up, bring more young talent in here for when we’re really ready to compete, which I think think is at least 3 years away.

  17. Mike E. says:

    Just basing it off this past season : 14 games played each

    T.J. McDonald – 86 total tackles (63 solo) 3 INT’s
    Reshad Jones – 72 total tackles (57 solo) 3 INT’s

    Pretty even across the board.

  18. The Flying Pig says:

    My reaction to a discussion about trading Reshad Jones

  19. Randy says:

    I think if you’re considering a rebuild, you have to look at every single player as an asset and determine what value that asset represents…both as a player for you and as a trade option. I love Reshad. I am the one who said we should draft him in the first place when most didn’t even know who he was. But, I am willing to look at him as a trade asset at this point in his career. He may be worth more to the team in a trade than he is as a player. He will not be a top 5 safety in 3+ years….at least I don’t think he will be because he’ll be about a 12 year vet with an injury history. Will he be good for another 3 years? Probably. But, what value does that have to this team? Not a lot if we’re rebuilding. It also prevents you from developing a young guy who probably will be playing for you. We need guys who will be playing well in 3+ years…not for the next 1-3 years. Expecting Reshad to be balling in year 12+ is, to me, unrealistic…especially with the physical way he plays.

    • stangerx says:

      And flip side of that is that if we go total rebuild (and we’ll see exactly how much we do)….. guessing a player like Reshad would prefer another team where he can use what’s left of his prime years thinking playoffs or ring.

      But overall new world for us right now when thinking about not just when a guy hits FA but how good is he gonna be 3 years from now.

  20. Mike E. says:

    In 2019, do we use Kenyan Drake like a feature back, in tandem with Kalen Ballage? Drake is a FA in 2020, it would be nice to know whether we should re-sign him, and if he can handle a full workload, meaning at least 200 carries, over 300 total touches.

    • D says:

      He can be used as a feature back in most offenses except maybe a pure power system. Not many offensive coordinators run pure power anymore anyways so I surely hope whomever takes over either commits to using Drake or trades him and gets his own guy. Leaving a playmaker like that on the sidelines is a waste

  21. Randy says:

    I think Ballage looked pretty good. I think he’s a possible feature back. Drake will probably never be that sort of back because he’s more of a 12 touch guy not a 20-25 touch guy in the running game. I’m just kinda guessing because he simply hasn’t been used a lot….but there may be a reason for that.

    • stangerx says:

      Ballage looks good, but not a lot of shake in him. Would be surprised if next year it wasn’t him and Drake as a tandem. And we saw Drake take on enough of a load in 2017 for a while.

  22. Tim Knight says:

    If the new HC wants to run the ball more we already have two good young backs in Drake and Ballage.

  23. Tim Knight says:

    Good write, Mike! Let’s hope this team has good fortune moving forward. Enough is enough. It has to turn around at some point right?

  24. Randy says:

    I was thinking that we really haven’t seen Drake get 20+ carries a game for an extended period of time….like a season. Hard to know how he’d hold up as an actual feature back.

    • Mike E. says:

      Perhaps a new HC will have a different take. New Age was kind enough to point out that Christian McCaffery who is almost identical in size, weight etc, had 327 total touches, as compared to Drake who had only 173. How do you know if a player can do it until you ask him to do it?

    • stangerx says:

      After they traded Ajayi it was Drake and Williams in tandem. Then Williams went down and it was the Drake show for a good number of games, but not for a full season for sure. Drake’s got enough in him to be a tandem back though for sure and maybe more.

  25. Mike E. says:

    Randy – To be fair, McCaffrey was the lead back at Stanford, and he did have over 300 carries in a season (Junior year), and Drake never even had 100 carries in a season at Alabama, because Bama had T.J. Yeldon and Derrick Henry as their lead backs.

  26. D says:

    Im not sure why everyone just assumes Drake cant handle the load as a back, really nothing to say he cant. Its not like we were running the shit out of him and his production started to drop off. So far we have never really tested his limits and he has never started dropping off in production as we used him more so there is not proof for or against that idea.

    • D says:

      Mike E. says:
      January 9, 2019 at 4:30 pm

      Well said Lou
      it is kinda cool here in the south right now, i guess its possible in hell too after seeing this reply….

  27. Rockphin says:

    Would Ross accept 3 losing seasons and continue on for the sake of continuity?
    I won’t! So why would he? 😉

  28. Randy says:

    Maybe I misunderstood. I thought the conversation was about being a “feature back”. To me, that’s 20-25 carries a game. I don’t believe Drake has ever done that for an extended period of time. So, I was just saying we don’t know if he can. We also don’t know he can’t.

    • Mike E. says:

      Very few feature backs get 20 carries or more these days. A handful of backs get that kind of load, like Ezekiel Elliott, Gurley, and really only in a few games. Look it up, I promise. In the regular season, Elliott had 20 or more carries 7 times. Gurley was 6 times. Mixon did it 5 times and Barkley did it 4 times. With Drake, it’s not even necessarily the amount of carries, it’s rushes and receptions. He should be much closer to McCaffrey than he is. If he got 250-275 total touches, that would be a feature back load for the current NFL.

      • Mike E. says:

        FWIW – At the end of 2017, when Drake became the feature back, he carried over 20 times 2 out of the 5 games.

  29. Rockphin says:

    “I did hear was Polian saying that teams like Dolphins, Bucs, Cardinals are in a pattern of failure, and are setting themselves up for such every time they make a coaching change.”

    That’s why I have been so dead set against getting rid of Adam Gase and blowing everything up We do this every 2-3 years and it just keeps us in the cycle ……………😳.

    😂 J/K I was Luehred to the Darkside this time around I should be more patient.

  30. The one thing I don’t like is the angle being taken that the team is in “tank” mode and I don’t believe that to be the case. I think what Grier and Ross were trying to get across to everyone is that they’re going to build a team the way it should be built, to win consistently, and with that comes some growing pains.

    I think the problem with Gase was his tendency to want to bring in guys that would get him wins without any thought to the future of the franchise. He brought in guys like Julius, Foster and Cutler in order to try and win games rather than drafting players and developing them in order to build a team that could win on a perennial basis.

    And that is where the disconnect was. Again, JMO, but where we were all saying “build the offensive line” the team kept bringing in retreads from other teams to fill in the gaps. No rookies except for Tunsil and he’s only here because he fell into our laps. Look at all the guys that we signed at specific positions on the team, especially the offensive and defensive lines and look at the fact that we didn’t draft a young quarterback early. Instead, Gase chose to stick with Tannehill in order to try and win as many games as he could without any though to the future.

    Because, when you think about it, now that he’s gone, we’re up the creek without a paddle at the qb position because we’ve got nobody in the pipeline. Look at our DE position. Look at our G and C positions. We’re not a lot better off now than we were when Gase took over and it’s because he just wanted to “win now” instead of trying to build a team that could get to the playoffs every year, compete for the division title every year, and possibly get to the SB as well.

    Tanking is not what they want to do. They want to build a team that can win consistently, not a team that wins 10 games one year and 7 the next because they signed a bunch of free agents to 1 or 2 yr contracts and then cut them.

  31. pheloniusphish says:

    I’m with Mike and Randy on Jones. His value to a total re-build is as trade bait. And if I was him, I would want to be traded. Why spend your prime on a team re-building?

    • stangerx says:

      Happy New Year Phelon, and right with you on if was Jones would want to go elsewhere at his age….. but maybe he just likes living here. Plus we don’t know yet exactly what is gonna happen. So if him, might wait and see for a bit.

      And FYI — OD wants his fifty. 🙂

  32. Rockphin says:

    Mike E. says:
    January 9, 2019 at 11:18 am
    I’ll be surprised if he doesn’t get his wish. I think the Jets will hire him.


    I hope not! we are fucked if so. welcome to 3rd best in the division forever.

    • Mike E. says:

      It’s an uphill battle always here now. Having Belichick and McCarthy is difficult, but we have some time before we really have to worry. It’s going to take a little time to turn things around here.

  33. Rockphin says:

    Reshad Jones is 30 already. If you can get something for him. Trade him. He won’t be here if we ever get “good”

  34. Here’s a list of guys from the Andy Reid coaching tree:

    Most recently

    John Harbaugh

    Not too shabby. Who’s next?

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      But I like Richard over Bieniemy

      • I know a lot of people are high on Richard because of the Legion of Boom thing and the Dallas D and seeing him on the sidelines but when you’ve got a chance to get an Andy Reid guy you’ve got to take that chance. NOBODY does a better job of preparing their guys to be a head coach in the NFL than he does.

        Bieniemy has been with Reid in KC since 2013 as the rb’s coach and Reid just promoted him to OC. Now many may say he’s not calling the plays and that may be true but Andy Reid teaches his guys everything they need to know about the offense and also has them heavily involved in the offense. So, Bieniemy isn’t just standing next to him watching

  35. pheloniusphish says:

    Stanger – All is good here. Hope your New Year has started well. And OD’s crisp $50 bill was dropped off at the post office yesterday. And I emailed the old fart to let him know.

  36. D says:

    D says:
    January 9, 2019 at 5:07 pm

    Mike E. says:
    January 9, 2019 at 4:30 pm

    Well said Lou
    it is kinda cool here in the south right now, i guess its possible in hell too after seeing this reply….

  37. ElephantRider says:

    Why cant the FO just do a vote? Put up the candidates and let everyone vote on them like American Idol. What could go wrong? Especially when you have the ones dooming anything that the FO does anyway. Would be fun!

    • D says:

      The FO should pick the person that the fans think is the worst candidate because with the know it all nature of fans, none of us are to be trusted.

  38. D says:

    I think my issue with Bieniemy and Richards really is, where were their mentions last year. I mean yeah both of them have been part of successful teams, but they are just now getting pimped a HC’s. I know thats kind of how it works in the NFL come grab the next set of guys getting mentions before someone else does, but are these guys ready?

    Bieniemy has been an OC for one season, and Reid has been calling the plays as he generally does. I know Bieniemy has been involved and im sure has learned a few things, but how much can he have really learned not calling plays? Same can be said for Richards too, i mean was he responsible for the Legion of Boom, or was the DC, and 4 stud DB’s, and a front 7 of all studs? I mean that was a sickly loaded defense. I dont know that either one of these guys are stand outs for the next coach of our team, they are what the current hype machine is surrounding, but neither of them has a resume that truly inspires.

    • Tim Knight says:

      These young coaches gain reputations over time and eventually it gets known throughout the league that they are good HC candidates. There is no guarantee they will or won’t succeed, but all HCs were first time HCs. It’s a crap shoot just like the draft. Some are going to be good and some aren’t. You do your best to target a guy you believe in and go from there. A lot of it still comes down to the talent on your team.

  39. Tim Knight says:

    We should do a poll here on who we think will be our HC just for fun.

  40. Mike E. says:

    Piggi is in charge of polls – Hey Piggi!!! We need a poll set up

  41. Mike E. says:

    piggi-poll piggi-poll piggi-poll

  42. Randy says:

    Piggy takes poles often.

  43. The Flying Pig says:

    Some one tell me who the candidates are and I will try to remember how to post a poll

  44. The Flying Pig says:


    It worked

  45. The Flying Pig says:

    Well now I have to figure out how to edit it

  46. Mike E. says:

    Just remember, the initials HC also stand for Holy Crap . . .

  47. The Flying Pig says:

    right now its a 3 way tie between Darren Rizzi, John Harbaugh and Colonpokey

  48. Mike E. says:

    I think Pokey is too offensive minded. He just wants to score

  49. Randy says:

    I have leather chaps…two pair actually….shouldn’t it be the Speedo I wear with them that concerns you more? 🙂

  50. Rockphin says:

    My one AND ONLY vote is for Bieniemy

  51. mf13ss says:

    There ya have it, straight from JLC. This means the Dolphins will NOT trade for Harbaugh. 😀

  52. TryPod says:

    Thanks D for your words concerning Swinney. For me, I don’t like hypocrisy (“it’s ok for me to make money off of these kids but I’ll give up coaching if they start paying them” (paraphrasing).. which is a load of crap). I don’t like people who presume they are somehow more moral than others because they are “Christian”. If you are like me, you know unscrupulous Christians and ethical atheists. None of this means that I think he is a bad human being- I certainly don’t mind that people may like or admire him- but I’m not going to sing his praises just because he is the a coach of a currently successful football program, either.

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      Because he does rely heavily on recruiting and the rah rah technique of inspiring players, I don’t think he would make as good of a NFL coach as he does a college coach, at least not for a while yet. He’s still young, though, and he has shown a very good propensity to out coach other excellent college coaches, including the invincible Satan.

  53. Mike E. says:

    I don’t like Schein or LaCanfora

  54. naplesfan2010 says:

    However, many on here say Rizzi and Dan Campbell (and Jim Harbaugh and Cowher) impress them because they inspire players with a lot of wild-eyed, spit throwing pep talks.

    So that style can work in the NFL, although it might burn out after 3-5 years (Harbaugh) or cause the coach to burn out (Cowher). Or it might only be useful in a ST coach who never really needs to sit down dispassionately and manage the business enterprise. Which may be why ST coaches have trouble getting promoted to HC. Those that can put on the management hat (other Harbaugh, Belichick) are remarkably successful, but notice how both of those guys toned down the spitfire once they moved into the executive suite.

    If Swinney can dial it back a bit, I think he knows football well enough to out coach guys, even in the NFL. And players do love the guy.

  55. naplesfan2010 says:

    I don’t think it is hypocritical to be a HC who gets paid well and also be against unionizing NCAA players. I think doing that would ruin college football. And it is certainly not racist.

    I think there is way too much entitlement among this generation as it is. Colleges have to expend enormous amounts of money to put together a top level sports program. And they do help train and market the top talent so those with the ability do get huge paychecks. The kids should be grateful.

    NCAA football has turned many teenagers into millionaires for life when there would literally have been no other path open for them to achieve such a level of financial comfort.

    Waiting until they are in their mid twenties to “get paid” is no fierce penalty. Doctors, engineers, business majors, etc. all must wait until their 30s to see a real return on the investment they made in their education. Athletes don’t have student loans to pay off.

    Most college players who do well are immersed in a “machine” which supports and packages them quite advantageously, and yet many of those young guys do not succeed in the real world of the NFL.

    Paying them as masters of their trade when they are really just apprentices is fiscally unsound and rewarding them for potential that may not come to fruition. Clemson fans bought tickets all through the lean years, too. That’s just the way alums are about their school teams.

    • Mike E. says:

      You make some excellent points about college athletics. The only real difference that stands out to me is a lawyer , doctor, engineer etc likely won’t get injured going to college or getting their masters or doctorates like a college football player can, and that injury could prevent them from ever playing pro sports. Otherwise, you do have some legitimate issues you bring to light.

      • naplesfan2010 says:

        Great essay above btw
        I read about a $Million insurance plan to help cover college injuries..
        Also Gore had injuries in college and he is going to the HoF.
        A knee tear is not the death knell it once was.

  56. naplesfan2010 says:

    I do agree with those above who feel we should retain Reshad,
    because that guy is a stud and that position is a high risk for injury.
    (unless he himself has lost faith in the franchise)

    Notice that Reshad has missed games and so has TJ.
    We lament not having depth and then ppl talk about liquidating our depth.
    I certainly did not feel good having to bring in an ST or PS guy as next man up.

    I also think Minkah should be our FS as those above said.
    And I agree that McCain needs to stay at nickel.

  57. mf13ss says:

  58. mf13ss says:

  59. mf13ss says:

    Breaking: Adam Gase expected to offer 2 first-round draft picks for his adopted son Ryan Tannehill. 😀 😀 😀

  60. naplesfan2010 says:

    And let me go on record right here as saying i love Cam Wake. He is an inspiration to us all and to young players (as is Gore) and I would be proud to carry Mr. Wake in his declining years as a show of good faith and respect for his contributions to our team, even as his powers erode.

    As an old guy myself, I can tell you it feels bad when you are taken for granted or feel that you are in danger of being forced out just due to age when you still have some home runs left to hit.

    The counter example of that is the Mickey Mantle case, as he over stayed his value and had to be forcibly retired, but i do believe alcohol was involved there. Wake and I do not pollute our bodies.

  61. naplesfan2010 says:

    well dammmit that is just what I did not want to see. Gase goes to Big Market and gets a young gun QB to mentor and stays right in our division where he can take out his wrath and revenge on us for firing him. And he knows our personnel, our FO modalities, and our facilities intricately.

    Playing at Hard Rock won’t even seem like a road game for Gase. (We also had that problem with the jests last coach, though, and we still swept them, so … fingers crossed.)

  62. Mike E. says:

    Naples – Gore is a physical freak. I do agree though that the knee injuries aren’t usually career enders, but there are other injuries that are. That being said, I think, like you mentioned, that college athletes “are” getting paid, many of them don’t have to lay out a penny for an education that could cost upwards to $200K, so there is that to consider.

  63. mf13ss says:

  64. Mike E. says:

    Naples – Thanks man, appreciate the compliment

  65. Mike E. says:

    Very interesting Gase as Jets HC. Mike McCarthy must be scratching his head right about now.

  66. Mike E. says:

    Maybe Gase can turn Darnold into a 10 YD box passer. That’s all that bastard did while he was here!

  67. Mike E. says:

    The one thing that keeps flashing in the back of my head is “Be careful what you wish for”

  68. naplesfan2010 says:

    I saw Ross should get his non football guys to work immediately to change as much about the facility as possible to disorient Gase.
    Reroute the tunnel
    redraw the parking lot lines
    get a psychologist in there to train the security and support people to stone wall Gase and not show him deference or conviviality
    change the caterers for the visiting locker rooms
    rip out the coms tech in there and change all the chalk colors
    Get the grounds crew to grow different grass
    find out what Gase’s least fave tunes for warm-ups were and pipe those in non-stop and loud
    etc. (a la Bellicheat)

  69. son of a son of a shula says:

    Stej loves our trash.

  70. naplesfan2010 says:

    Mike E. says:
    January 9, 2019 at 8:12 pm
    The one thing that keeps flashing in the back of my head is “Be careful what you wish for”

    pertaining to what?

  71. The Flying Pig says:

    If thr jests hire Gase i suspect he gives us a hard time
    But I don’t think he does anything for them

  72. mf13ss says:

  73. naplesfan2010 says:

    So hex-formation in progress guys.
    What if Gase becomes the reincarnation of bellicheat failing at Cleveland and then being reborn wiser at our division rival for 2 decades of dominance with a sketchy QB that is the ultimate scheme fit.

    (I hope that is like saying “hey this kicker hasn’t missed in 22 straight” … which puts the bad mouth on him, so he shanks a doink.)

  74. Tim Knight says:

    Not worried about Gase knowing our personnel. It will be a shell of the team he coached before you know it.

  75. son of a son of a shula says:

    I hope Gase pisses off Jamaal Adams

  76. naplesfan2010 says:

    I think Gase soured on Burke.
    Burke might have trouble finding a good job.
    His D looked bad AND had bad stats.

  77. The Flying Pig says:

    Poor jests

  78. Tim Knight says:

    The funny thing about Gase becoming the Jets HC is that some of the NY media and fans didn’t want him, they wanted McCarthy. So that should be fun listening to the whining. LOL

  79. TryPod says:

    I never advocated for paying players, but the hypocrisy is obvious.

    • TryPod says:

      No overpaid coaches or boosters running schools if those young men don’t put their futures on the line for a slim chance to make it as a pro.

      • TryPod says:

        ..But this conversation is far afield if where it started- I’m not a fan of Swinney. All this other stuff is far from my intent or even my caring.

  80. The Flying Pig says:


  81. mf13ss says:

    I honestly believe we’ve got a decent chance to trade Tannehill to the stej and get a higher pick in return than what we could with any other team.

  82. mf13ss says:

  83. naplesfan2010 says:

    Gase thinking of Vance Joseph for DC?
    I’m down with that. Hell yeah.
    Then he can bring in the coke sniffer for OL coach too!!

  84. Randy says:

    Nobody forces these young men to play football in college. It blows my mind that people think they should be paid for it. Most of them are already getting paid by having their college paid for. If they don’t want to risk being hurt, don’t play sports and get a job to pay for your own education like tons of other kids do. Plus, people who think this cost wouldn’t be passed on to other students in the form of increased tuition and fees are kidding themselves. Why should other students and their families help pay for these young men’s education simply because they make a personal choice to play a sport? It’s ridiculous.

  85. Tim Knight says:

    I won’t be surprised if Gase has success with the Jets.

    I also don’t think you should link him to Tannehill too much because he inherited him and he was the best QB we had. Gase wanted to win right away because that was the mindset of Ross, Tannenbaum and Grier at least publicly when they hired him. That plan didn’t work and now we’re going in a reset direction.

    I wouldn’t get too cocky about Gase failing though.

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      quite the reverse
      I said right away that my worst nightmare (well one of them)
      would be for Gase to go to NY and turn Darnold into something special.

  86. Randy says:

    Gase, himself, said that Tannehill was a big reason he took the Miami job. He belittled other people when they had the audacity to question Tannehill’s skills and his leadership.

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      I remember that too, and it did not sound like the usual “party line” BS coaches use for their players that they must rely on till they can get who they really want.

  87. naplesfan2010 says:

    I don’t think people should be criticized for being atheists.
    or Jewish
    or Buddhist
    or Christian either, for that matter.
    As long as their beliefs are not hurting anybody else,
    they should be free to have whatever religion they want.

    It’s a free country.

  88. Randy says:

    I wouldn’t worry too much. Coaches don’t turn players into special players. They already are. If you truly take a subjective look at what Gase has done with QBs, he actually limits their impact on the game by having them throw less and throw higher percentage passes. Chicago’s offensive performance wasn’t all that impressive with him running the show. He just got Cutler to stop making so many stupid plays. In 2016, he relied on a strong running game and had Tannehill throw about 100 fewer passes to get 10 wins against a very easy schedule. This idea that he’s a QB whisperer is….questionable.
    Watch. He’ll have Darnold throw shorter, higher percentage passes in a more ball control offense. I’m not saying it can’t be successful, but he doesn’t transform QBs. He controls them.

  89. New Age says:

    Mike E,

    Nice article. I know Polian has had tons of success and experience but I completely disagree with him. Coaches are just like franchise QBs.

    Let’s look at the top coaches overall. Shula had great success early. So did Reid, Johnson, Cowher, Brown, Madden, Gibbs, Payton, Walsh, Lombardi, Walsh, etc. Most of these guys had their teams deep in the playoffs by Year 3.

    Now let’s look at continuity. Jeff Fisher, 173-165. Weeb Ewbank, 130-129. John Fox, 133-123. Marvin Lewis, 131-122. Norv Turner, 114-`22. Lovie Smith, 89-87. Kubiak, 82-75. Dave Wannstedt, 82-87.

    What I’m getting at with this wall of text is that great coaches show this greatness early. Average coaches stay average almost all of their career. It has nothing to do with continuity and everything to do with the talent of the coach…which can be seen very early. I truly believe Gase will fail with the Jets like he failed here. Let’s find that great coach and keep him…or start over if we don’t.

    • New Age says:

      Or find that franchise QB who can make an average coach look good like Peyton did with Caldwell, Kubiak, and Adam Gase.

  90. mf13ss says:

    I’m sorry, but I see Adam Gase being a near clone of Josh McDaniels. I didn’t want to believe that while he was here. but I’m seeing it.

  91. stangerx says:

    So Gase is going to NY to replace Todd Bowles. The Yets sure do like our head coaches.

  92. mf13ss says:

  93. mf13ss says:

  94. Tim Knight says:

    All religions engage in extreme practices. Shocking! Yet they have the nerve to call something new a cult. Ha… you created cults. All of you. LOL

    • mf13ss says:

      I don’t know about that, man. Perhaps you’ve had a bad experience in the past (my father DID, and he’s been atheist every since), but I don’t look at these matters through ‘cult-like lenses’.

      To each their own, live by the (universal) Golden Rule, and have PEACE… very simple principles that nearly every religion (or non-religious) is based upon.

      It’s the power brokers and fringe-crazed one must beware… and most of us know one when we see one. And we also recognize and know someone who is falsely claiming something when they are very clearly bad representatives of what they proclaim.

      I’M a Christian, knowing I can do MUCH better. However, I would NEVER put myself above another human being, thinking myself superior. I cannot tolerate Christians who act that way, SMH!

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      All organized religions are cults.
      Catholicism is one of the most tightly guarded, secretive, exclusionary, punitive, and wacky-in-its-costumed rituals cults of them all.
      Buddhist monks, Islamist ayatollahs, televangelists, orthodox Jewish funny beards and haircuts, Amish buggy groupies.

      They’re all cults. That’s how they make their money. If they were just regular folks, there would be no way to tell them from us so nobody would get a sense of belonging by joining. So no profits.

      • Tim Knight says:

        It’s not really about God or faith. They’re clans or tribes. Call it what you will, but it’s a group mentality and reality doesn’t matter if it goes against that faith. No different than our political divide in this country. Both parties have become like a religion. They turn their head on the bad stuff and viciously defend their moral code. I want know part of that.

        Think about Scientology. LOL

        Individuals get along better than cults do with others in society.

  95. Randy says:

    What about the science students who get grants for colleges through their research? What about music students who get money for their schools through donations made for their performances? Why focus on athletes alone? Is it just because of the money? Besides, these student athletes are already making money off the situation. We pay for their education. People seem to conveniently forget all the benefits they already get…above and below the table. Folks try to portray these guys as penniless beggars who can’t afford a taco. I’ve known tons of college athletes. Trust me, they got it far better than most. And again, nobody forces them to play a sport. Its their choice. They do it for their own purely personal reasons. They dont have to, and I, for one, have no desire to have my costs increase because of it….and they would. College is already expensive enough.

    • TryPod says:

      Because science students don’t have fans and fantasy leagues and bring in a billion dollars?
      Seriously, why am I being asked to defend this? I have stated I don’t advocate for it.

    • TryPod says:

      Btw- you wouldn’t have to pay for these college students education if they were being funded by the money they bring into the schools.

  96. TryPod says:

    Yeah, I’m beginning to remember why I went on hiatus…

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      Not understanding. You’re the one who brought up this topic and you got well thought responses with no insults or confrontation from anyone.

      • TryPod says:

        What don’t you understand? If you read the entire thing from the beginning, you’d see that Naples asked a question, I responded to the question, he went off on a tangent about stuff I never brought up or said.. and I’m not disrespecting him, that’s how conversations start. But I was just trying to answer why I didn’t like Swinney and ended up sending paying players- which coincidentally I never advocated for!

      • TryPod says:

        *defending paying players

  97. mf13ss says:

  98. naplesfan2010 says:

    Go Dolphins.

  99. mf13ss says:

  100. mf13ss says:

    I REALLY like Kyler Murray! However — and as a lot of us have discussed — he’s too damn small to be a QB at the next level. Comparatively speaking, he’s MUCH smaller than even Drew Brees. He’s not going to be a QB in the NFL, IMO.

  101. Mike E. says:

    TryPod – Take a deep breath. 🙂

  102. Mike E. says:

    I spoke to a Jets pal of mine. He’s defending Gase. He asked me what I thought, so I told him I hated the way he dealt with our players, and how our QB’s threw either at the LOS or usually no more than 10 yards past it. I told him maybe it was because of our QB’s. He was making excuses, saying Peyton manning loved him. I told him he didn’t have to do anything with Manning, so he gets no credit there.

  103. Mike E. says:

    Tim – I can’t but you should listen to Joe Benigno tomorrow, he’s going to be freaking out. He hated Gase, and I’m pretty sure he said anyone but Gase. lol

  104. mf13ss says:

  105. Mike E. says:

    M – It was a pretty casual convo – I was just curious to take the temperature of a Jets fan, to see if he was happy, or angry. I’d bet he was surprised, he probably thought it was going to be McCarthy.

  106. Mike E. says:

    We should tell Gase he can have Loggains for a 3rd RD pick. We’ll even throw Tannehill in the deal

  107. mf13ss says:

    Here’s something I think…

    If we’re to outright abandon the ‘Wide-9’ (PLEASE, DO!), and do not bring a 3-4 DC… I think it’s time to part ways with Charles Harris. I mean, if Harris couldn’t get to the QB using his stellar and explosive “first-step” lining at the 9, WTF is he going to do in a traditional 4-3 when he must overpower a Tackle?

    Cut bait. Trade him… ASAP. We might get a decent return.

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      No we need him, let a new coach and DC see what they think. He’s still young and playing on a rookie contract, too soon to give up.

    • Tim Knight says:

      The system is not that important. No matter what base, teams use multiple nickel and dime formations all the time. The Eagles run the Wide 9 and they’re a good defense. We didn’t even run the Wide 9 all the time. We were a 4-3 base and then nickel/dime like every other team. Execution!!!!

  108. son of a son of a shula says:


    QB – desperate need
    RB- in good shape with youth
    TE- in good shape with youth and Golden Bear blood
    WR – need a big, otherwise not too bad – Parker the big question
    Line- sign James and have both tackles, need good young depth, get healthy


    DB- if Minkah is opposite X secondary is set with starters, McCain nickel, depth at CB
    LB- in good shape with youth
    DL- biggest need after QB, inside and out.

    It doesn’t have to be a total blow up, get healthy, lose some bad contracts, be smart and keep adding talent.

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      I totally agree with this.

      Prime needs are run stuffing DT and pass rushing DE and precision QB with the IT factor.

      Other wise we are in pretty good shape.

  109. The Flying Pig says:

    Colonookey has 2 votes

  110. New Age says:

    Jets have even less talent than we did and a turnover machine at QB. Gase is a Jet so I can gladly pull for his complete and utter failure. NFL execs weren’t impressed by him either or his options would have been better than the Jets. Think about it. An average Big 12 coach who was just fired was considered a better pick in ‘Zona than Gase.

  111. Randy says:

    I didn’t mean any offense. I have no opinion about Swinney or any of that stuff. As to paying students athletes, I have an opinion, but I respect the fact that others may disagree.

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      yeah me either .Trypod,.. I got off on the tangents only because those were the reasons the guy listed who wrote the article “stupid things Dabo says.” If there are other, stupider things Dabo says, I’d like to hear those, too.

      I’m still in the euphoria of my team blasting Alabama out of the stadium for the national championship.

      But I do not think Dabo or any person on earth is perfect.

      But when his mother who had polio became homeless, he let her sleep in his apartment while he was a walk-on college football player trying to make the team.

      And he’s a really great bad dancer, which I admire and many Christians are not.

    • TryPod says:

      Not the least bit offended by either of you. I could be accused of being a little dramatic- but that’s nothing new around this place. For the record, I am not in favor of paying college players, primarily because there is no mechanism in place to make it practical for all athletes. However, I also am not a fan of people making millions off the sweat and sacrifice of others who will likely never see a scintilla of the amount being generated. And I don’t like Swinney. Lol.

  112. ElephantRider says:

    Gase is a bottom feeder stej now huh? I wished him all the best moving forward but now it’s different.

    Heck…wouldn’t mind Rizzi now and watch him beat Gase with his “tanking” team.

  113. ocalarob says:

    let Harbaugh play out his 2019 contract with the Ravens and let rizzi be interim for 1 year, better than giving the Ravens 2 #1s, we’re not going anywhere in 2019 with or without Harbaugh anyway.

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      I doubt he’ll coach as a lame duck. I heard he’s working on an extension with them. All signs point to Kris Richard as our next coach. All we need now is for Dallas to do what they usually do – lose in the playoffs.

  114. The Flying Pig says:

    I have a feeling the Dolphins aren’t clinging to that contract

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      Lol, true the Dolphins are like “you’re going to run THAT offense up there? Ok!”

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I still don’t even know what he did here!?!?

        But if he was excellent at fetching coffee maybe Ross became attached

  115. Mike E. says:

    Boomer and Gio on NY radio were spinning the crap out of the Gase hire. I can’t find the article, but they said Mando wrote an article that outlined why Gase was let go, and it seemed to contradict everything we’ve heard. They said that Gase told them at the end of this season that we need to rebuild, but Ross didn’t want that, so they fired him. WTF is that? Anyone see that article?

  116. The Flying Pig says:

    With the jests hiring Gase
    Does that give Flores an edge

    He’s schemed against the bills offense last year
    The Gase offense
    And knows the cheats very well

    Just something worth considering

  117. Mike E. says:

    Piggi – That’s what Boomer was saying this morning, I wanted to call in and call him out for his bullshit. Right about now, Joe Benigno is probably ripping the Jets apart on WFAN.

  118. stangerx says:

    “It doesn’t have to be a total blow up, get healthy, lose some bad contracts, be smart and keep adding talent.”

    Could not agree more with Son on this, or at least did before we fired Gase. Now the big Q is QB. Hard to win a race without a driver. And if we are gonna develop one, then might as well blow it up some cause and look to to when the new driver will be ready.

  119. Mike E. says:

    A Jet fan called in and asked Boomer about the Dolphins players that were saying if Gase comes back as HC that they wanted to be traded. Boomer answers with this “There was a line of players waiting outside Gase’s office when he was fired waiting to shake his hand and say goodbye, including Ryan Tannehill. I think it was more like Ryan Tannehill was there, and was crying because he knew no other HC would have that kind of devotion to him.

  120. CavalierKong says:

    It sucks we’re losing Dowell Loggains. He was really good at…what I mean to say is he brought a real…err…he demanded and really influenced…could really draw up……………..sad to see ya go Dowell!

    • stangerx says:

      LOL — but I can’t really hit on the guy. Gase was calling the plays. Hard to tell how good an OC is at that point…. and includes what we knew about Philbin before he walked in the Davie door. Gave him the benefit of the doubt at the time too.

      • D says:

        Thats one of my reasons im skeptical of Bieniemy. I dunno how much of that was Andy Reid and how much of that could have rubbed off in one year.

  121. Mike E. says:

    This is the article, except Boomer has the whole story backwards. Jerk!

  122. The Flying Pig says:

    The potential buyers in the harbaugh market are down to the begals and the Dolphins

    And that means the price is dropping

  123. Mike E. says:

    I hope the Jets take a step backwards this season, that would be so much fun to watch. I know it’s mean, besides my Jets hatred, I just want Gase to fail miserably, that smug fucker!

  124. The Flying Pig says:

    I got this list from a Bengals website if their potential candidates

    Bill Lazor, Bengals offensive coordinator
    Darrin Simmons, Bengals special teams coordinator
    Eric Bieniemy, Chiefs offensive coordinator
    Hue Jackson, Bengals special assistant to head coach
    Shane Waldron, Rams pass game coordinator
    Todd Monken, ex-Buccaneers offensive coordinator
    Vance Joseph, ex-Broncos head coach
    Zac Taylor, Rams quarterbacks coach

  125. The Flying Pig says:

    A few months ago the new coach of the Arizona Cards said he would take Kyler Murray #1 overall if he could

    Well he’s got the #1 pick now and rumors are swirling about Trading Rosen

    • D says:

      Id take Rosen in a trade, not for a first but maybe a 2nd

      • Mike E. says:

        I’m not interested in Rosen, but he’s better than anyone we have. I’d rather take someone in this draft.

      • son of a son of a shula says:

        Straight up for Tannehill

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Well I’ve been saying it would be okay to take QBs 2 years in a row

        I would be okay with Rosen for a 2nd as well
        With an eye on another young qb sometime in the next couple of years

      • D says:

        Tannehill is what he is….expensive. If he wasnt 26mil against the cap id consider keeping him as the transition guy, though i wouldn’t personally prefer him because he is shit as a mentor. At 26mil and 13mil of that reclaimable he needs to go.

  126. The Flying Pig says:

    Curious if Arizona would do straight up for Tannehill if they are eyeing Murray

    Maybe they want a vet QB while Murray develops

  127. The Flying Pig says:

    Waldron was never with us
    But for a few years he was with the patriots and hen had a stint in then UFL between the patriots and Rams

    At least according to Wiki

  128. son of a son of a shula says:

    D, I don’t remember Waldron but he very well may have been here.

  129. son of a son of a shula says:

    I want Josh Dobbs or Brissett and a rookie

  130. Mike E. says:

    What are you willing to give up to get either of those guys?

  131. The Flying Pig says:

    I would rather keep tannehill and draft QBs, 1 this year and 1 the year after, with thrnplan to part ways with Tannehill by 2020

    You don’t need to be desperate to oust Tannehill bc you know he’s not your franchise
    He still has value as an experienced veteran

    That’s honestly the type of guy you want holding down the fort while a rookie is groomed

    It’s one thing if some one offers value

    • stangerx says:

      Could not agree with you more Pig, at least as to that being an option. Tanny is not bad…. he is just not all that good. And if a young pup didn’t work out (always a chance of that), Tanny would still be there. Only problem is his price, especially after next season.

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      He needs to go. Bad message to send to this team imo. I feel it’s a must to move on. Personally I think Grier said that to Ross and that’s why he got the keys to the franchise.

  132. The Flying Pig says:

    The only problem with keeping Tannehill is he will be a dead man walking
    It’s really a year or 2 too late

    But that said, a veteran QB with experience has value when you are bringing in a new guy

    I expect Tannehill to yield trade value
    So I think the question is whether some one offers something worth parting with that veteran

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      He’s a shit vet. Get rid of him. NOW!

      • The Flying Pig says:

        He’s not shit…you are just fed up with him …lol

        He is what he is – average

        Yes – it’s not a good idea to invest in him or build around him

        But now he is one of the pieces building around our next franchise QB
        It’s temporary but I think he’s got a role for us:
        And it’s either to get valuable draft picks or hold down the fort some one else

        If you lasted the last few years watching him
        You can last half a season more…lol

      • son of a son of a shula says:

        He’s total shit. The first thing Kris Richard will do is kick him in the nuts and tell him to fuck off.
        There are way better options out there and why have Tannehill learn yet another offense? Get rid of him.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I want to see the kick in the nuts…lol

  133. son of a son of a shula says:

    I think David Garrard is available

    • Mike E. says:

      Dammit! I forgot my phone today, and I can’t read it at work. What did Joe say? Can you just copy and paste?

      • Tim Knight says:

        It’s a live clip from this morning, only a couple of minutes. Joe isn’t going nuts but neither him or Evan are happy. LOL

      • Mike E. says:

        OK thanks! I feel so naked without my phone.

      • D says:

        All your normally wear is your phone? Are you sure you dont feel naked with it… it would take a lot more than just my phone to prevent me from feeling naked.

  134. D says:

    D says:
    January 10, 2019 at 1:42 pm

    Tannehill is what he is….expensive. If he wasnt 26mil against the cap id consider keeping him as the transition guy, though i wouldn’t personally prefer him because he is shit as a mentor. At 26mil and 13mil of that reclaimable he needs to go.

  135. The Flying Pig says:

    I shaved my beard last night and I feel naked

  136. Mike E. says:

    Wardrobe by Samsung

  137. Mike E. says:

    I don’t even use my phone that much, but it feels bad not having it.

  138. ElephantRider says:

    So Howard is wanting $15M a year…..worth it?

    • Mike E. says:

      He’s got to come down. He’s not the best, and he hasn’t been at this level long enough. If he has a repeat performance this year, he will be.

      • ElephantRider says:

        Hes looking for extension this offseason

      • Mike E. says:

        If wants to get paid based on one season, then he can’t get $15M. I’d say with the usual salary bumps that happens every year, $12-13M would be fair for one good productive season, also considering he missed 4 games.

  139. Tim Knight says:

    A Jet fan just called WFAN saying that when Tannehill went down this year Gase had one of the worst starting QBs in the league in Osweiler and won 4-5 games in a row. Hmmm… I must have missed that. Someone tell him it was 2-3. LOL

  140. Mike E. says:

    ER – A.J. Bouye is the top dog at CB, he’s slated to make $13M next season.

  141. Mike E. says:

    ER – What do you think? Do you give him $15M?

    • Tim Knight says:

      Making the pro bowl and 2nd team all pro with 11 INTs in his last 18 games does put him in that range. Good corners get paid.

  142. stangerx says:

    So Howard wants $15 mil a year. We don’t even have a coach yet and his agent is suspended till March (and same one Landry had). Guess can’t blame a guy under contract for trying to make a living though…. even if makes me wonder how much Howard would be worth in a trade.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Howard will be just 26 in July. That’s 4 years before he’s 30. I’d rather keep him. The only concern is that he does have knee issues.

      • Mike E. says:

        i’d prefer to keep him, but his demands might be too much. Just because he asks for something doesn’t mean he won’t negotiate.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I’m not going to get caught up in $12-15M. Good corners aren’t cheap.

  143. Mike E. says:

    Tim – Good corners do get paid, right now the highest one is $13M. He’s not the best, and he’s asking for more than the top guy.

    • Tim Knight says:

      The numbers go up every year for the next crop looking to get paid. Olivier Vernon wasn’t the best DE and he got paid like it a few years ago.

      • Mike E. says:

        True, but OV was a FA, Howard wants to get paid before he hits FA

      • Tim Knight says:

        I know. We’ll see what happens. Let’s see who our new HC is and how we go about the offseason. We’re going to clear quite a bit of cap so we’ll have options.

  144. D says:

    Mike E. says:
    January 10, 2019 at 2:19 pm

    If wants to get paid based on one season, then he can’t get $15M. I’d say with the usual salary bumps that happens every year, $12-13M would be fair for one good productive season, also considering he missed 4 games.
    If he balls out next year, id do 13-14mil. He’s good but he has had games where he got roasted. I think he is worth paying top money too but im with those that believe he needs another year to prove himself worthy of a long term contract of that size.

    I am also kind of nervous with the all eggs in one basket contracts. Thats a big chunk of money with McCain’s already pretty sizeable contract and someone like Fitzpatrick to follow up Howard in a couple more years after. Jones with his big contract. TJ with his not little contract, thats already a lot of money in the secondary.

    • stangerx says:

      Even if I might get hit on cause he was a Yet — Revis Island deserved best money in the NFL to build a CB resort. Howard ain’t close to that at this point much as I like his play. If he gets top money is based on his age and potential.

  145. ElephantRider says:

    Mike E

    With the new rookie QB most likely coming in and not making QB money……I say pay the man long term and lock him up now. CBs are only going to get more expensive. Let’s for once get ahead of it and sign a player that actually can become one of the best at his position

  146. Mike E. says:

    OK, I was just looking at 2019, the average annual for the top is $15M, that’s Josh Norman, then there are a few below that in the 14’s

  147. D says:

    Its not necessarily about matching up to what another player was when they had top money, its about being at the right place at the right time. If Howard is the best CB available his FA year, he’s going to be able to demand top money. Now it might not be highest paid money but its going to be close to what the top CB is making. Its law of supply and demand, and so far the demand to get the top player always seems to be there, so the money is too.

  148. D says:

    If our DC runs a system that relies on S more than CB the desire to retain him might not be as strong, we will know what WE should offer him when the people inside the building that know what he is worth to us sit down and talk about it. I know what I think he is worth, but im not sure about what our next DC will. Maybe if the HC is Kris Richards we will back a truck up, i think he would fit what he might want to do, but there might be Bieneimy might defer to his DC and whomever that may be might play a more zone system with two FS’s, who knows

  149. D says:

    Im getting impatient on this damn HC decision lol. I want us to choose already so some of the details of the staff, etc starts coming out

  150. Tim Knight says:

    Based on the poll, you know Brian Flores is going to be our new HC. LOL

  151. ElephantRider says:

    Howard is able to be extended this new league year. I say do it ASAP. Gonna rebuild…have a cornerstone of the D already in place.

  152. D says:

    Its usually better to negotiate with a player while you have a couple years left on their contract since you have the upper hand in the negotiations. He isnt available to anyone else, and he cant compare himself to someone who may or may not be a FA the same time as him. He doesn’t have a ton of leverage to stand on, just what he thinks he is worth. Id probably start playing a numbers game with him, show him you are interested in retaining him, show him you think he is worth it but not really come close to his number right now. Just put yourself in a position to negotiate and not offend him.

  153. D says:

    I voted for Brian Flores just to hopefully keep us from being jinxed.

  154. D says:

    Tim Knight says:
    January 10, 2019 at 3:39 pm

    I’m the one who suggested putting up the poll. LOL
    Ok we can blame you, just as good.

  155. ocalarob says:

    and with the 1st pick in the 2021 draft The Miami Dolphins select…..drum roll please….


  156. Tim Knight says:

    Mike Francesa just said based on a source he believes to be very reliable, that Ross wasn’t firing Gase but he wanted changes made to the direction of the team and Gase gave him some lip saying he can coach anywhere in the league. So Ross eventually gave him that opportunity. Gase basically pushed himself out.

    • D says:

      I could see that as how it went down for sure.

      • D says:

        I definately get the feeling from how Ross held himself and answered some of the questions in the presser that Gase has rubbed him the wrong way and he was trying to remain diplomatic. I took it as Gase and TBaum probably didnt own that neither of them were putting together a team with cohesion and an identity and Ross was tired of the finger pionting. I can see both guys being that type of dude.

    • ocalarob says:

      Gase and Ross wanted to go in different directions, Gase was in win now mode and Ross wanted to reset, or so he said.

  157. ocalarob says:

    That’s right folfs, after building a great offensive and defensive line the last two years the Miami Dolphins get their future QB in Lawrence

  158. D says:

    If its Richard, then we might know by Sunday. I dont see the Cowboys beating the Rams. If its Allen we may have to wait until after the Superbowl, same for Flores or Bieniemy

    • Tim Knight says:

      If Dallas can run the ball, Dak makes key completions and their defense plays a big game I think they can beat the Rams.

  159. ElephantRider says:

    Sounds like Ross made the right decision.

    • stangerx says:

      If I am Ross — no way do I take lip from my HC, least not when he is off a 6 win season and on his way to a 7 win one. For starters….. it is just a stupid move by someone like Gase. What happens when you are not there?

  160. Tim Knight says:

    D, I think that’s why Tannenbaum and Gase are out because they were not in rebuild mode and Grier probably felt that’s what needed to happen. Grier said he has a pretty clear vision on how a team needs to be built. In the GM position he held, he said in the past his job was to find players Gase wanted. That didn’t necessarily mean build it the right way.

  161. Mike E. says:

    “I can coach anywhere!”

    Anywhere = The Jets. DOH!

    • Tim Knight says:

      If he wins with the Jets he’ll be a God. If he loses he’ll be just another failure their fans will suffer through. LOL

      • ElephantRider says:

        Hes not going to win. His offense is flawed. He doesnt care about defense either. I am all aboard the hate train for him now. LOL

      • D says:

        Yeah its a pretty safe job for him. Failing there isnt anything new. Might be why he took the job with us too though lol

  162. Tim Knight says:

    Mike Francesa just said that the Jim Harbaugh rumors of him leaving Michigan was created by someone trying to hurt his recruiting. Harbaugh said time and time again he’s not leaving Michigan.

  163. ElephantRider says:

    Maybe I should change my vote from Colonpokey to Richards.
    I think there are some good pieces on D for him to work with. Offensive coaches haven’t panned out so let’s try a defensive one.

  164. Tim Knight says:

    The Wide 9 is not the problem. We also didn’t run the Wide 9 all the time. Teams use multiple fronts regardless of base scheme. It’s about executing. We also had a lot of young players on defense still finding their way. We’ve got some good young core guys on defense to build on.

    • D says:

      The wide 9 is heavily dependent on your players execution, its an individual talent based system, so if ya dont have the right guys you shouldn’t be running it because its vulnerable if you dont have the players that can execute it. My problem wasn’t with the wide 9, it was with their insistence on it despite the obviously failures each week. The system obviously works, as some of the best defenses in recent memory were wide 9.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Any system you run is dependent on your players executing. There is no hiding on a football field. Teams that have to play to cover their weaknesses don’t go anywhere. We did that on offense the last 3 seasons.

      • D says:

        Where our wide 9 broke down is no true 1 tech DT, we had Phillips until we shit canned him, but he was freelancing a bit while he was here which also causes that system to break down. It takes a good 1 tech for wide 9 to work. We also didn’t have a good MLB for the wide 9. You want to see a good wide 9 MLB look at Bobby Wagner….near perfect fit as a wide 9 MLB. We dont have anything close, which makes the middle really weak. What we had the best personnel for was for a gap penetration 4-3 with 2 3-tech DT’s and two 5-tech DE’s. in my opinion.

  165. ElephantRider says:

    Well shit.

  166. Tim Knight says:

    Mike Francesa is interviewing Bruce Arians right now. The reason he took the Tampa Bay job was he hit it off with ownership, he has a relationship with the GM and he likes Winston as a QB. Now he has Bowles as his DC and he thinks very highly of him.

  167. D says:

    Tim my point was wide 9 puts a lot more pressure on individual players. Some systems are solid team systems. Something you should do when your talent is kind of spread around. All of it does require execution of course, but some are really dependent on certain players plying at elite levels.

  168. Tim Knight says:

    D, I think McMillan started to play better as the season went on. But at that point we were playing DL off the street. He had to gain confidence in his knee and go through a learning curve in basically his first NFL season. I think he’ll be a much better LB next season.

    • D says:

      Yeah i definately saw improvement as the year went and there were some plays toward the end of the year that were very nice. This was pretty much his rookie year so ill give him that and eval next year as a more critical eval.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Yeah he finished with 105 tackles, 2 FF, 1 FR, 5 TFL but only 1 PD and no INTs. Coverage is part of the game he needs to improve on. He probably won’t ever be great in coverage but he could get better. McMillan will be a much more confident player in 2019. The same with Baker.

  169. Mike E. says:

    We’re gonna go 2-14 next season, but we’re going to thrash the Jets twice. 🙂

  170. D says:

    I wanna watch Gase’s stupid “unfuckingbelievable” faces in Jets green next year, hopefully 16 out of 16 games.

  171. Tim Knight says:

    I’m not taking any credit for the HC poll because my suggestion was who do you think “will” be HC, not who “should” be. LOL

  172. stangerx says:

    Had an Anthony Fasano sighting two days ago. He’s a real estate agent now. He’s got the listing on a place in my building and was sitting on the bench in the lobby waiting for someone to show the it to. Or maybe it was not a sighting cause had no clue cause the dude at the desk told me he was there next time around. Was all like on the board talking about Gase getting fired though, which means he probably listened while he waited and put me down as another big-mouthed fan.

  173. pheloniusphish says:

    Kyler Murray – One year starter.

  174. The Flying Pig says:

    I don’t want to write Murray off just bc he doesn’t fit the mold

    A lot of football people love him

    Time will tell if he can play In this league

  175. mf13ss says:

    • Tim Knight says:

      Yeah and I didn’t realize until recently that Byron Leftwich is an up and coming coach and will be the OC after serving in that role with ARZ last year.

      When Gase brought in Loggains as OC and reassigned Clyde as a player development coach, that seems to be something he’s good at. I heard Arians on the radio today and he said he likes Winston’s ability but what they need to do is clean up his game. He can move the ball up and down the field but he’ll make some errant throws so they want to eliminate those.

      The Bucs are going to be good sooner than later.

  176. Ken says:

    Gase to the Jets. As I always tell my wife every time she wants to go to a tag sale: Why do you want someone else’s trash?

  177. son of a son of a shula says:

    Pepperidge Farms coconut layer cake might possibly be the worlds most perfect food.

  178. Tim Knight says:

    Ken, so do you have a horse in the HC race?

  179. son of a son of a shula says:

    Would Chris Berman call him Luke “what the” Falk?

  180. Randy says:

    Lots of guys have great years in their contract years. It always worries me when guys ball out in their contract years. I’d prefer to see Howard do it more than a part of a year. But, we really don’t have much choice. He’s gonna get a big contract from somebody. The injury history has to be considered too.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Howard isn’t in a contract year. He also was pretty damn good all season and started to really show his talent at the end of last season. So it was more than part of a season. There were games when he didn’t get a pick but WRs caught only one or two passes for little yardage. I think he’s the real deal. He was voted the team MVP, made the pro bowl and was 2nd team all pro. He’s trying to cash in and you can’t blame him. Players only have a window or two to cash in and like you said, he’s going to get it from some team at some point. He’s still young and ascending.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Meant to saying wasn’t in a contract year this season. He’s looking to get an extension before his contract year. Just like Reshad got before his first contract year.

  181. The Flying Pig says:

    I’m more taken back by the term nutmeger than tag sale

    But they are both equally unacceptable

  182. mf13ss says:

    I’m not sure how I’d go about handling Xavien Howard’s demand/request right now. Part of me wants to see more, part of me wants to reward him, and part of me doesn’t trust such a demand/request after year 3 of a rookie contract.

    Will he ‘quit’ on us after he gets paid? Can he be trusted to stay healthy when 2 out of the 3 years he’s been here, he’s missed time being hurt? Will he become a malcontent if we don’t give him a new contract before the ’19 season?

    And it’s just our luck that ‘Bilbo Baggins’ is Xavien’s agent, SMH.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Why would he quit? He wants to be the best corner in the league and one of the best of all time. His knee issues are a concern though but we also saw Frank Gore overcome multiple season ending injuries in college and some issues early on in his NFL career and play until he was 35.

      • mf13ss says:

        That’s good player speak, but we’ve seen other players over the years cash in and then just go through the motions afterward.

        I know nothing about Xavien the person or what’s in his heart. Hopefully our evaluators know him well enough to make the right decision. That’s all I’ve got.

  183. Tim Knight says:

    M13, I’ve watched Howard interviewed multiple times. The reason he got better is because he realized he had to put more time into film study and not just rely on physical skills like he did in college. The guy loves football. He’s a very good corner and a great tackler – very physical too. Oh and yeah, he’s a BALLHAWK!!! 😉

  184. mf13ss says:

    I don’t know about the rest of y’all, but I’m in an absolute holding pattern until we know who our HC (and his coordinators) is going to be.

  185. Tim Knight says:

    I’ll say this once again, when we’re up if no trade up or down, take the BPA at #13. We can add talent at any position except maybe Safety at this time.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Chances are the bpa will be at a position of need

      • Tim Knight says:

        Pretty much. It’s not like the draft ends after the 1st rd. You can address lots of positions. I don’t think a rebuild takes that long if you have some good young foundation players and I think we do.

  186. Tim Knight says:

    Searching for Phins news, I have to say Omar’s Twitter is about 30% football and Dolphins and the rest his own interests about anything but. I guess that’s his right, but as a Dolphins reporter, you would think it would be the reverse.

    • mf13ss says:

      Yes, it should be Omar’s right to post what he’d like to. However, that’s when I began to learn that he’s either borderline MPD (Multiple Personality Disorder), BPD (Bi-Polar Disorder), and/or just straight up arrogant. I stopped following him years ago.

      I don’t want to hear about his sneaker game, his date advice, his opinions on movies, his opinions on the only good food to eat, how great #BlackLivesMatters is, how great socialism is, and how great somebody from the #305 that nobody’s ever heard is at rapping. And if ya disagree with him on his opinions, YOU are the one who’s wrong, at fault, and an instigator.

      And it’s been stated many times before by many different people: Omar learned more about football from us (The Mob) than what we learned from him.

  187. mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    January 10, 2019 at 10:46 pm
    I see the same time line.
    INDEED! Omar’s got an opinion on EVERYTHING under the sun and moon. That’s a very poor way to live a life, and a very good way to be able to pizz everybody off in one way, shape, or form.

    And if anybody strongly disagrees with his mere opinions… BLOCKED!!! SMH

    • Tim Knight says:

      My friends and some family get into everything from time to time but we get it out of our systems not always in public ways. We’re in a time when everyone thinks anything is okay. Information overload. Bad information at that in a lot of areas. We’re expanding the petri dish to Doofussville. LOL

  188. Jeremy Fowler

    Verified account

    5 hours ago

    I’m told Eric Bieniemy has a strong potential defensive staff if hired as a head coach, including Steve Wilks as coordinator, Joe Woods in the secondary and Brentson Buckner on the defensive line. Miami might be the last chance.

  189. some people I’ve talked to are worried about Joseph reuniting with Gase in NY but I’ll take Bieniemy and Wilks any day over that insane clown posse

  190. Mike E. says:

    Is it possible that Adam Gase was hired by Bob Kraft to ruin two AFC East teams? That’s my theory, and I’m running with it! Wouldn’t that be fun?

  191. Rockphin says:

    I read this morning that now Flores is the most likely candidate for the Dolphins HC job. Man, I hope not. He is at the very, VERY bottom of my list, below Muncheck even

  192. pheloniusphish says:

    Son – It’s Poke Weed. Only good when it’s young

  193. Rockphin says:

    We are the last team standing without a HC……PLEASE Grier, do not hire a 37 year old linebacker’s coach as the next HC.

  194. ocalarob says:

    i think it will be between richard and flores, but who cares, we’re tanking anyway, we’re also waiting on Jim Harbaugh to beat Ohio State so he can come to Miami.

  195. Rockphin says:

    So, I was going to go and get a #25 jersey this off season, but now I think I will hold off. I thought it would be a safe number being he is young and a stud, but who knows if he will even be on the team next year.

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