The Wedge Scouting Report: Clelin Ferrell, Edge, Clemson




Earthlings aren’t the only ones that get to see Alien Tombs on their planet.  I’ve been setting up tombs for a few centuries now.


I have a great recipe for it.

First you set up a tour in the tomb.  Then when the tourists get lost in the maze…you seal the tomb.  Then let it rest for about a century.

toursby wedge

And when you come back, you have a bunch of fresh fossils to show off!!!

The waiting is the hardest part.  I like to pass time by watching tape of the 2018 Clemson Defensive Line.  Man were they loaded!  Clelin Ferrell maybe their top defender!


The Pros:  Ferrell was a force in 2017 and I was getting ready to write a report on him last year, when he decided to stay in school.  As part of the 2018 Tigers, he was a part of one of the most talented defensive lines I can remember.

9.5 sacks in 2017 and 11.5 sacks in 2018 make up an impressive statical line to boast about.  Ferrell used his 6-5, 260 pound farm to wreak havoc on ACC Quarterbacks and he took that ferocity into the NCAA postseason where he helped Clemson secure the title.

Ferrell plays with his hand in the ground most of the time at Clemson but he does have the athleticism to rush from a 2 pt. stance.  He’s one of the few players I have seen that were highly outed in the 2018 offseason and improved his stock by staying in school.


The Cons:  That Clemson defensive line was really talented and when there is so much talent across the entire DL, people tend to speculate that the talent helped each other.  But when it comes down to it – Ferrell was a big reason the DL was so talented.  

Ferrell has a serious ACL injury in 2014.  It looks like he has fully recovered.  


The Alien Dust:   Ferrell has been consistently good.  There is a chance he is the first pass rusher off the board if teams have concerns about Bosa – so seems like a long shot to make it to 13.  But if he does, he will be an excellent addition to the Dolphins.  I don’t see a more complete Defensive End.  


Just like the tombs I leave on random planets – Ferrell is where you go to die!


You can watch his highlights here:


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307 Responses to The Wedge Scouting Report: Clelin Ferrell, Edge, Clemson

  1. olddolphan says:

    OUTSTANDING, Piggy!!!!!!
    HOWEVER, if the Fins front office feels that the next starting QB for Miami is STILL on the board, they likely will take him over FERRELL who, in all probability, won’t last until the 10th pick, let alone Miami’s 13th pick in round 1.
    I REALLY appreciate the research and hard work!

  2. Ken says:

    Nice write up Piggy. I would love to get Ferrell

  3. Tim Knight says:

    He looks like a good one.

  4. bailbondmike says:

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 13: Allen, Josh, OLB, Kentucky (A+)
    Round 2 Pick 16: Benzschawel, Beau, OG, Wisconsin (B+)
    Round 3 Pick 14: Tillery, Jerry, DT, Notre Dame (A+)
    Round 4 Pick 14: Jackson, Tyree, QB, Buffalo (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 13: Eberle, Alec, C, Florida State (A+)
    Round 6 Pick 15: Smith , Saivion, CB, Alabama (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 17: Boykin, Miles, WR, Notre Dame (A+)

  5. bailbondmike says:

    Something happened to my avi?

  6. Tim Knight says:

    Being that we’re in rebuild mode and not targeting a specific position other than obviously looking for a QB, we can just sit at #13 and take the best player on our board. There’s plenty of talent in the 1st rd this year.

  7. Krishna says:

    Busiest time of the year….January.

    GM>Head Coach>Asst Head Coach>DC>OC……

    No Rooney Rule issues here. I hope it all works out, I truly do. This is an observation only, something Tim Knight already pointed out. I truly wish it works out every time we turn it over.


  8. Krishna says:

    I so hope we start with the O and D lines, too. I have always agreed with OD on this. It starts here, IMO, too.

    • Tim Knight says:

      There’s an article that Grier said that’s what he’s always believed and that’s the plan. Can’t remember which one though. Flores is also on board with that. They want to be physical.

  9. Krishna says:

    I believe it starts in the trenches….if you control the lines all else will follow. We haven’t had good lines in quite some time. I can’t even remember.

  10. Anyone catch the debut of the New football league last night? The Orlando team whipped Atlanta good. Spurrier is the coach, and he’s a trip. He’s the same ole spurrier with his sideline antics, only now he looks in slow motion due to advanced age , lol

    Btw It’s been the running joke for a long time,
    Why doesn’t Orlando have a pro football team?
    Because then Tampa would want one too!

  11. Tim Knight says:

    So this AAF league that Bill Polian helped start is kind of a developmental farm system for NFL teams to pluck from. He said college and the NFL doesn’t do a good enough job developing QBs and OL. So this might be interesting to see if some lower tier or long shot QBs show more than what NFL teams thought of them. Also getting more developed OL would be good for the league since more than half the league has OL issues.

    • Tim Knight says:

      It’s also an experimental league for rules.

      What you might see too is players who normally end up on practice squads being low draft picks, UDFAs and guys still trying to stick somewhere will likely play in this league and guys who played in the league might start ending up on teams’ practice squads.

      It would great if it assisted in the NFL becoming a better game which has been slipping.

      • Bingo, I enjoyed the transparent booth reviews, mic ed up coaches playcalls, reduced timeouts, 35 second time clocks, reduced commercial breaks.

        Also, when Your offense converts a play, and there’s a defensive penalty, You get both, don’t have to decide either or.

        So a 8 yard gain with a 15 yard defensive penalty would be a 23 yard play.

        I’m not a fan of the no kickoffs , no extra points, no insides kicks though

        Also there is a killer app for it, for millennial s and others who would like a live game interactive experience on their smart phones

  12. When kickoffs are sliminated, one of the most exciting plays in football is gone, the kickoff return.

    A game without kickoffs resembles a scrimmage IMO

  13. Tim Knight says:

    Reduced commercial breaks won’t happen in the NFL because of money. Some of the other stuff iffy but maybe a better approach. I don’t like messing with the traditional rules of the game though. Kickoffs, xpts and onside kicks are part of the game. They can all change the outcomes of games. The longer xpts are fine. Kickoffs and onside kicks are exciting and add drama to the game.

  14. Tim Knight says:

    Looking at prospects, I like DL Dre’Mont Jones from OSU. He looks like a player who can line up all over the DL.

  15. Tim Knight says:

    Sitton and Kilgore are both coming off of season ending injuries. They should be fine, I think both had upper arm injuries. Sitton will be 33 in June at $7M with a $2M dead cap, Kilgore will be 32 in December at $2.4M with no dead cap. Do you keep them both for the transition/rebuild and maybe longer, or do you cut bait now?

  16. The Flying Pig says:

    Jones is a good prospect Tim

    And he might be available in the 2nd round

  17. son of a son of a shula says:

    Did we fire Tannehill yet?

  18. Do the Fins go after Kyler Murray QB this year?
    I’ve often advocated for mobile QB,s also, knowing our ol is suspect.
    What do You guys think of QB Kyler Murray? I’m down with it unless we have to trade up, then I’m just thinking stay put and go for BPA

  19. Murray signed a baseball contract, but has grown up on the football field, and QB is the highest paying position in football.
    He is considered to be an elite prospect for QB, could be one of the best in the right situation.
    He is shorter than Russel Wilson by an inch, but Oklahoma OL averages 6’5″ and he had no trouble making pinpoint passes and some deep ones from the pocket. His footwork looks great, which is big imo, a QB with bad pocket presence or bad footwork won’t work around here.

    His OK coach says don’t overthink it, he claims
    Murray is worthy of the number 1 pick in the draft. He has a limited body of work because Mayfield was ahead of him, but when he got his chance, outplayed Mayfield, and shattered Mayfields accuracy rating and QBR rating according to 24/7 sports

  20. mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    February 10, 2019 at 6:59 pm
    Sitton and Kilgore are both coming off of season ending injuries. They should be fine, I think both had upper arm injuries. Sitton will be 33 in June at $7M with a $2M dead cap, Kilgore will be 32 in December at $2.4M with no dead cap. Do you keep them both for the transition/rebuild and maybe longer, or do you cut bait now?
    I’m NOT taking a snipe at ya, Brother… but HUH? I mean, isn’t this the exact same thing you’ve been talking about NOT keeping around?

    But to answer your question in all honesty, if we want to be competitive and try to win now, ya keep Sitton and Kilgore.

    • mf13ss says:

      And my apologies… being I addressed you up front, I’m certainly NOT sniping at you! LOL
      Please disregard my first sentence being it didn’t need to be written! 🙂

  21. mf13ss says:


    I’ll give ya one more thought regarding Sitton and Kilgore. This would be a very good year to groom a young QB, behind these two decent players on the O-Line (coupled with Tunsil and hopefully James returning).

    We certainly wouldn’t want to give a young QB “David Carr Syndrome” (<– OG, by me!).

  22. Kyler Murray highlights, yes I know it’s highlights, but You can see his footwork, arm, and blazing speed, he is a world class athlete

  23. ElephantRider says:

    I like Gore to stick around and was told hes too old! LOL

  24. Flores was brought in to rebuild the team.
    Gore could probably still tote the rock just fine another year, but he’s a poor fit for the rebuild due to his age

  25. Rockphin says:

    260 pound farm?

    That is a small farm

  26. Rockphin says:

    260 pound farm?

    That is a small farm

  27. Rockphin says:

    iPhone double post

  28. pheloniusphish says:

    Is BBM in the witness protection program? What’s up with the avi?

  29. it’s 2019 , and incredibly enough, there are still some debunked opinions and racist stereotypes that Blacks aren’t smart enough to play QB ! Or coach? SMH.
    I realize old stereotypes are tough to go, especially when our racist president always questions intelligence based on skin color and almost daily dehumanizes minorities.

    But we have to rise above this type of trailer Trash type thinking imo. All Men are created equal.

    Flores is smart enough to call BS on this, and I’m happy He is our coach instead of some Ignorant good ole boy racist exploitation. and will instead install the best players at positions where they can be their best.

    I realize there will be some racist snowflakes that can’t handle change, like black coaches and QB,
    especially if it erases an unearned white privilege,

    But I’m happy to see everyone here embrace Flores, We know he has a great shot at being what we need, and he is accepted here.regardless of race. 😎

  30. D says:

    Tim i know it seem counter intuitive, but when you have a draft thats deep in a position, like DL its smarter to use your 1st round pick on something else. In a deep draft you can always come back in a round later and get a guy that was 1st round talent but you got him for a 2nd, or maybe even 3rd if its really deep. If the QB we feel has a chance to lead the team is there at 13, we should make the selection. I wouldnt trade up this year for a guy, but i also wouldnt bypass a QB i felt good about and say well next year ill make a move for my QB. There are no guarantees you get that shot.

  31. stangerx says:

    Can at least guarantee that whoever our QB is will want us to keep Sitton and Kilgore. And if you take a young one, best favor you can do to him is not making him gun shy. Those hits are worse than covered wideouts.

  32. Rockphin says:

    David, I will argue strongly that all men ARE NOT CREATED EQUAL! That is just a sill notion.

    That aside though, the color of one’s skin has no baring on how smart one can be, or what one can accomplish if one puts their will to it.

    • Rockphin says:

      I am not and never had a chance to be equal to Stephen Hawking when it comes to math or Micheal Jordan when it comes to running and jumping.

  33. Rockphin says:

    a LOT of young guys on the staff, but surprisingly a LOT of experience for such a young group.

  34. Rockphin says:


    I couldn’t get Wedge’s guy but picked up three of his team mates.

    I WISH our front office could move back two spots in the first and pick up two extra 2nd round picks like I did!

  35. Rockphin says:

    objective in the draft above was to shore up the O-line and get ready for the new Multiple D with an eye for next seasons draft to finally get the QB.

  36. stangerx says:

    Of course had to read with a title like: “Did Peyton Manning play a small role in helping the Patriots beat the Rams?” But turned out only a little for Peyton, but fascinating stuff. With an ending that Brian Hoyer might coach in this league (even if gives him some credit versus Flores).

    Good read

  37. Tim Knight says:

    I rethought Sitton and KIlgore as possibilities to keep because not sure what’s out there in FA and it’s a difficult task to go too young on the OL all at once. They might be worth using as a transition.

    D, I get what you’re saying about drafting a position early that isn’t as deep because you can still get a position that’s deep in the 2nd or another round. I’ve made that point many times before. Teams also approach the draft that way. Like when you see a run on corners.

    Obviously this is all just speculating because I won’t be making those decisions. 😉

  38. Tim Knight says:

    There is a rumor out there that we will be playing the Cowboys on Thanksgiving. Wouldn’t have expected that.

  39. Tim Knight says:

    • stangerx says:

      I was shocked no one took him off waivers. But since his rookie contract was voided…… Hunt may end up making money out of the whole thing.

  40. Rockphin says:

    I mean, only Rock cares they just signed some 40 year old dude….



    I don’t matter which other coaches or players we have had the lat 15 years he is the one constant. He HAS to be the reason. He is the only common denominator.


  41. Rockphin says:

    Saban, Cameron, Sparano, Bowles, Philbin, Campbell, Gase and now Flores have all been head coach with Denney on the squad. All but Flores so far failed. (And now Flores has sealed his doom by allowing him to be resigned)

  42. ocalarob says:

    time change is march 10, will be glad to get more daylight

  43. ocalarob says:

    draft april 25th, right around the corner

  44. ocalarob says:

    i’m sure we will have to factor in the new league year and FA to know where are weaknesses will lie for the upcoming draft

  45. D says:

    Rockphin says:
    February 11, 2019 at 11:09 am

    David, I will argue strongly that all men ARE NOT CREATED EQUAL! That is just a sill notion.

    That aside though, the color of one’s skin has no baring on how smart one can be, or what one can accomplish if one puts their will to it.
    Biology is at play, DNA, evolution, and race is factored in there, just not in the capacity of intelligence and/or physical prowess. There are reasons why there are discrepancies on both sides as to the number of one race vs another that excel in different areas, and those discrepancies cannot be denied, but one race being more capable, simply based on race, isnt one of them.

  46. D says:

    I just read something where there is a newish trend in baseball (definitely new to me) where they are using relief pitchers to start games, like a closer, but they are an opener. They do this to cut down on the number of innings the “starter” pitches. Some teams are even starting to take the trend forward and stringing together a bunch of middle relievers instead of having any pitcher that pitches multiple innings. Thats pretty crazy. Is this something thats been happening a lot recently and since i havent been watching as closely dont know about?

    • Tim Knight says:

      I just saw that recently too. It’s strange. Madison Bumgarner said if the Giants do that on a day he’s pitching, he’ll walk right out of the ballpark. LOL

  47. CavalierKong says:

    ‘…all men are created equal…’ as a credo has nothing to do with intelligence or athletic ability, lmao.

    • D says:

      Yeah thats with rights as human beings, i musta missed part of the earlier conversation. I was replying to Rock’s which i thought was about physical and mental prowess.

      • CavalierKong says:

        I think his post might have been tongue in cheek anyway, I just thought it was funny he went that way with it.

  48. D says:

    Rockphin says:
    I WISH our front office could move back two spots in the first and pick up two extra 2nd round picks like I did!
    They could if they could find a way to dope all the other GM with ecstasy.

  49. Mike E. says:

    The relief pitching trend started last year in earnest. I can’t remember which AL team it was, but they basically had 4-5 different pitchers slated to pitch in a playoff game, rather than use a starter. It’s not really that crazy, considering how few innings starters throw these days. There are some elite starters that go 7 or more regularly, but so many starters go 5, and then they’re done. The days of the complete game are almost gone.

    • D says:

      Yeah i know, but still it seems crazy to me, maybe because it bucking almost 150 years of tradition. Baseball isnt known for its innovation, more for its traditions so thats wild for that sport.

      • stangerx says:

        If you are a manager you use your folks like you do. If you know your ace can only go 6 or 7…. why not get the first two or three out of the way to start? Bad game and can save for another day.

      • D says:

        Yeah i dont know though. Some of those guys need to start the game, and get a groove going. They dont want to walk in cold to a game. Thats why there have been specialized role, some can do it and others cant. Id be more inclined to just keep them as starters and bring in middle relief earlier so they keep their role than i would completely change the roles of pitchers who have been training their whole lives a certain way.

  50. BailBondMike says:


  51. BailBondMike says:

    Avi is Back! Don’t know what deal was.

  52. D says:

    BTW i think Ferrell will be there at 13. He is good but Bosa (as long as there are no injury concerns) is on a whole other level from Ferrell. Infact this Bosa is probably better than his brother. He’s definately faster off the snap. Rashan Gary, and Montez Sweat to me are better 4-3 DE’s too. If we want a good DE, there will be a really good one at 13, no doubts. If there is a run on QB’s then there will for sure be our choice of a couple at least. I also think if there are a run at a couple of weaker positions we might see one of the top DE’s drop to the second round too.

  53. Tim Knight says:

    Kyler Murray is giving back a lot of the money from the A’s as he declared for the NFL Draft and chose football. So the buzz about him will increase.

    • D says:

      Drew Brees dropped to the second round (albeit the very top of the second) because of his size. Same thing happened to Russell Wilson. It didnt affect Baker Mayfield, but he also was a little bit bigger (an inch or two) than those other 2. I just dont see the NFL GM’s being easy on him. I think when the draft finally comes around he is going to wind up a late first to a team that can afford to gamble their pick on a guy with a lot of positives but a lot of large obstacles, or he is going to fall to the 2nd or 3rd where someone, just due to his crazy athletic ability, will take him. Im not so sur that who takes him might not want to attempt a conversion project to move him to WR, like an Edleman or Welker.

      • New Age says:

        If there is a team stupid enough to continue doing the conversion thing than good luck to them ever being relevant until they get better management. Brees was in 2001 and a huge mistake. Wilson was in 2012 and a mistake. Looking at the Browns, teams aren’t willing to continue making the size mistake. His flaws aren’t mainly size but small data field, offense built for him, and having more talent around him than everyone else. Can the guy adjust his game? Is his arm strong and accurate enough? How smart is he? These are the real questions. He looked rather pedestrian against Bama and that’s where smart teams will look for his limitations.

      • D says:

        I think size still factors in. The NFL might not be as concerned with size but his size being significantly small I still think worries them. You are right though that will have to be a system design specifically for him with a lot of shotgun and pistol formations no under center or very limited under center. They will have to shift the pocket a lot. I think it’s accuracy is probably adequate if not good. I think his arm is adequate if not good. But you’re right that Alabama game will weigh heavily against him. I personally don’t think he’s a good fit for us.

  54. mf13ss says:

    JMO, but I think Kyler Murray is making a huge mistake. And his biggest mistake of all? He’s going all-in on the QB position instead of another position.

    Man, he’s incredible to watch and I wish him nothing but success… but I think he may regret this decision.

    • Mike E. says:

      I think he has to go where his passion is. It would be a much safer choice to play baseball. He could probably have a nice long, lucrative, major injury free career.

      • mf13ss says:

        I think I agree with everything ya just said, Mike E. It’s going to be an interesting ride for Kyler Murray.

    • Tim Knight says:

      The thing is if he’s a 1st or 2nd rd pick, even a 3rd, he’ll make more or what the A’s paid him. He can always go back to baseball if he’s that good. If he doesn’t pan out in either sport, he still made a few million bucks.

      • mf13ss says:

        Good point!

      • Tim Knight says:

        Yeah, most people who graduate from college aren’t making a few million bucks in say a 5 year span.

        I have to say the guy intrigues me. He does have a good arm and obviously he’s an explosive athlete. He’s going to need some coaching and development to learn the finer points of the game. He’s clearly a QB you have specific sets and plays for. But he has to be able to do some standard stuff – meaning pocket passing. I for one am not a fan of a QB who looks to run all the time. Lamar Jackson is like that. Maybe that’s how you survive early on, but at some point you have to make NFL throws from the pocket or you’re limited.

  55. Mike E. says:

    That’s true Tim, but I wonder if a team will be willing to take him back to baseball after failing or dealing with an injury from the NFL

  56. Tim Knight says:

    I have to say another QB I’m intrigued by is Tyree Jackson. He’s huge, has a big arm and can run. He’ll also need some coaching and development, but he’s a guy I’d take a chance on at some point in the draft. Not sure what round his status will be at draft time.

  57. naplesfan2010 says:

    Piggy that was a well done ariticle and your stuff is always so fun to read.
    (no homerism intended)
    I think Clelin Ferrell is exactly what we need at DE.
    But there are several other good ones in this draft.
    such as Montez Sweat.

    But a sneaky pick would be Dexter Lawrence.
    At 6’4 340 he is the best 1Tech in the draft and could be our run-stuffer in a 3-4.

  58. Tim Knight says:

    D, agreed on Murray. You have to design your offense with a lot of waggles, roll-outs and RPOs to open up passing windows for him. He can’t throw from the pocket all day or he’s gonna get a lot of passes batted down. The big thing for him is can he take the hits?

  59. wyoming85 says:

  60. Tim Knight says:

    M13, I addressed my opinions earlier about Sitton and Kilgore.

  61. wyoming85 says:

    Tim Knight says:
    February 11, 2019 at 7:56 pm
    Huh? Not sure what that’s about with David.
    You didn’t read this mornings rant?????

    • Tim Knight says:

      Okay, I scrolled up and saw it. I highly doubt anything our team does will incite politics and racism. Maybe other things will incite it, but not the team. I for one have applauded Miami for blowing the doors off the Rooney Rile. I also find it interesting that the media doesn’t make more light of what is happening with the Miami Dolphins leadership. I guess it’s too positive and progressive. LOL

      • wyoming85 says:

        I for one am glad nobody is talking about it!

        Means it doesn’t matter! (Which it shouldn’t)

      • Tim Knight says:

        My point is based on the left “progressives” always pointing out injustice and people like LeBron James calling NFL owners slave owners which is absurd. But that gets air time. Stephen Ross just set a new precedent and we hear crickets. There were stories earlier this year before all the new coach hirings that it was disturbing that there are only 3 black NFL head coaches and not one GM or top personnel executive. One of the reasons is Ozzie Newsome stepped down, GM Reggie McKenzie as well as a few black head coaches were fired this year.

        It shouldn’t matter, but obviously it does, especially when it’s a negative. So why not complement what’s happening in Miami?

  62. mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    February 11, 2019 at 7:57 pm
    M13, I addressed my opinions earlier about Sitton and Kilgore.
    I know, I saw it, and all good.

    Did you understand the point I was making last night about keeping Sitton an Kilgore? To do so would be most beneficial for a young gun to operate behind.

  63. mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    February 11, 2019 at 7:41 pm
    I have to say another QB I’m intrigued by is Tyree Jackson. He’s huge, has a big arm and can run…
    You probably heard about him first on this site. Some guy with a crazy Davone Bess avatar was talking about him a month ago! 🙂

  64. Tim Knight says:

    I’ll say this about Flores, O’Shea and Graham, they have been around versatile approaches to winning the game. Think about it, if Brady went down and Kyler Murray was their backup, they change the offense for him so they have the best chance to win. They do so many different things on defense I’m not sure losing a key player or two changes anything.

    I don’t see us running anything too standard. These coaches along with Grier want to build this team based on specific philosophy and criteria but also based on who they have. No round pegs in a square hole.

  65. ElephantRider says:

    Why don’t they just put Wilson at QB….

  66. mf13ss says:

    I don’t understand the discussion about race that was introduced earlier, and I’m not blaming or pointing at anybody for bringing it up or even furthering the discussion.

    I consider myself to be extraordinarily fortunate to have met so many gifted peeps from all walks of life, from so many countries across the globe, and from damn near every ethnicity that exists.

    To tell y’all the truth, race truly doesn’t matter. We may be culturally different in ways, but we all bleed blood. We all breathe oxygen. We all love our next of kin. We all need to eat. We all need to drink. We all need to sleep. We all need to pee and poop. We all need FREEDOM.

    SJWs are freaks and are anti-nature. Racists are freaks and are anti-nature. And as very happy that I am that the door has been kicked open for ALL… but (and I’m talking to the media, here!) STOP IT with making everything about RACE!!!

    ‘For the love of sweet Baby Jesus’ (<– borrowing from my guy Phelon, here), just STOP IT!!!

    • Tim Knight says:

      The discussion was basically what you just pointed out.

      My question was why not celebrate the Miami Dolphins taking the Rooney Rule to the highest level? Is that not progress?

      • mf13ss says:

        Yes, that’s definitive progress, and it’s admirable at face value. I just dream for a day where race is no longer a discussion, the best people get the job based on merit and accomplishment, and that we can put the evils of racism behind us forever.

        I don’t ever want to be GIVEN something I didn’t earn. I don’t ever want to be DENIED something I did earn. See, THESE are the evils of racism and the corresponding ‘blow-back’ of racism.

        Like Dr. King, I want to see a world WITHOUT any of this nonsense… in either direction! The best should get the job, regardless of race… in a world without racism.

      • mf13ss says:

        Those of us with such aspirations generally gravitate towards the worlds of Star Wars and Star Trek… in case ya didn’t already know! 🙂

  67. mf13ss says:

    Well it’s about TIME Kyler hired an agent!

  68. ocalarob says:

    I doubt we draft Murray, do you think this NE coaching team will go from Brady to Murray? i doubt it.

  69. ocalarob says:

    Mike E. says:
    February 11, 2019 at 7:21 pm
    I think he has to go where his passion is. It would be a much safer choice to play baseball. He could probably have a nice long, lucrative, major injury free career.

    if he can break into the Majors, and that’s a big IF

  70. ocalarob says:

    there is no minor league in football so Murray will be headed directly to the majors in football and if he goes in the 1st round he should get plenty of $$$$

    • Mike E. says:

      Not guaranteed money though. Baseball contracts are fully guaranteed

      • Mike E. says:

        What if he has a “career” like Pat White?

      • Rockphin says:

        that is who I was going to compare him to. Except Pat White was a four year starter who passed for 56 TD’s, 23 ints and 6000+ yards PLUS he ran for 47 TD’s and another 4000+ yards.

        Yeah Pat White will be great! He is such an “athlete”

        I will pass on Athletes for QB thank you very much.

      • well said Rock. Murray may be able to move around pretty well but these big guys that play these days are not longer your lumbering types. they all move pretty well and all it takes is just one good hit on a guy his size and he’s finished.

        when we see the number of concussions some of these guys suffer every year and they’re much bigger than him you gotta be concerned more than anything about whether or not the guy can survive and not come out a vegetable.

  71. Rockphin says:

    Especially tiny ones.

  72. If there is ONE guy who would take a shot at Murray in the first it’s got to be Jerry Jones. Only one I could think of who would take him that early because Jones likes the flash.

  73. saw a mock yesterday, which Piggy already knows about, that has Phins taking the following:
    Rd 1 Sweat
    Rd 2 Lindstrom
    Rd 3 Dietler

    That would be a damn pretty good haul for the first 3 rds if we could get it.

    • Rockphin says:

      I would be happy on draft weekend if that were the names called. I can’t say they will be successful, but they look good on paper.

  74. Mike E. says:

    Piggy – I’m starting to feel like I would be very happy if we drafted Ed Oliver. I know you really like him, I’m thinking he would be a solid pick for us.

  75. ocalarob says:

    Mike E. says:
    February 12, 2019 at 8:37 am
    Not guaranteed money though. Baseball contracts are fully guaranteed.

    Josh Rosen got 18 mil guaranteed.
    and i would assume he may get similar numbers,
    he can always go back to baseball but he only got 5 mil guaranteed there. he also has to go thru the minors, no guarantee he ever makes the majors.

  76. ocalarob says:

    He may land with the Redskins

  77. Rockphin says:

    He Wedge! I have seen Clelin Ferrel mocked to us on a couple of mock drafts now. I would be happy with Dat!

    Good yob!

  78. son of a son of a shula says:

    The new coach has had over a week now, did we fire Tannehill yet?

  79. naplesfan2010 says:

    Piggy on the beach on his recent vaca doin what we all would’ve done

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  80. Tim Knight says:

    Davon Godchaux’s one tackle for every 13.3 snaps played ranks 20th among defensive tackles since 2017.

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      That’s pretty good.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Yeah it is. He’s a good active interior DL who never stops playing and he holds his own pretty well. Not sure how high he can take his game, but it won’t be from a lack of trying. He’s a good character kid, works and plays hard. I think he’s the type of player that fits the new coaching staff.

  81. Tim Knight says:

    Every discussion about Kyler Murray has him getting shorter and shorter. By the time the combine comes around he’ll be projected at 5-6. LOL

  82. Tim Knight says:

    Some team will get a top level prospect outside of the 1st rd. But they’ll have to wait until midseason of 2019 or 2020.

  83. Tim Knight says:

    Here’s two opposite views within minutes of each other. LOL

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      These say the same thing,
      which is that Omar would take Murray even though he already had Rosen on the team.

      • naplesfan2010 says:

        I think Omar is slightly racist against the stereotype that a QB must be white.
        He has repeatedly favored black QBs over white ones for Miami.

      • Tim Knight says:

        No, you either love him and he’s your guy vs. competition, that’s the opposite. Many people don’t believe in having multiple QBs coining the phrase if you have two you don’t have one.

  84. naplesfan2010 says:

    Sir … about Godchaux’s character.
    Sorry, but maybe you did nto knwo about the following:
    None of the Dolphins’ 2017 NFL Draft picks came with a bigger off-field red flag than fifth-round pick Davon Godchaux.

    Godchaux, a defensive tackle from LSU, was briefly kicked off the team in September after being arrested on charges of domestic abuse battery with child endangerment and false imprisonment. His girlfriend, the alleged victim, was also arrested.

    The East Baton Rouge District Attorney’s office dropped the charges against both parties. That said, the details of the police report were alarming, including his girlfriend having a swollen lip and a red mark on her throat that was 2 inches in diameter, according to She initially accused Godchaux of pulling her hair and throwing her aside to keep her from getting out of the apartment with the couple’s child, who was 10 months old at the time.
    from the Palm Beach Post

    • Tim Knight says:

      That’s her story. He has a different story. He was never convicted of anything.

      That story aside, ever listen to him in interviews? He doesn’t come off as a bad guy at all. Coaches and teammates who have been around him love him.

  85. wyoming85 says:

  86. son of a son of a shula says:

    Toddler Murray no thanks I’ll take Haskins and live happily ever after.

  87. son of a son of a shula says:

    I want Brissett too. Or Dobbs.

  88. son of a son of a shula says:

    Big accurate arm

    • Tim Knight says:

      LOL, not saying I don’t like him. I’d take him at #13. Just not sold he’s “the guy!” He’s worth the investment though. We need to do a lot more in the next couple of years other than the #13 pick this year. Nothing wrong with taking a QB if you think he can be the guy.

  89. naplesfan2010 says:

    DeMarius Thomas got cut and so did Vinny Curry. Any interest?

  90. mf13ss says:

    I’m not sure what to make of Haskins’ throwing motion… he almost reminds me of a pitcher throwing from the stretch (his arm, not his body). It’s almost a pseudo-windup, but damn it’s fast. And I would think the ball would come out hotter than it looks and does, but instead it’s got great touch.

    I don’t know if this is even a pro or con, but he certainly gets the job done and well. I’ll try to delve into his tape later this week, but I’m pretty sure he’ll be gone by the time we pick @ R1P13. The question: is he really worth trading up for as a 1-year starter???

  91. olddolphan says:

    WYOMING: THANKS for running that vid on Devin Singletary, the man who scored 55 touchdowns during the last two seasons. I am slowly coming around to MF-13’s point of view regarding WHAT ROUND Singletary will be drafted in. I now believe Round 4 or even Round 3 is NOT out of the question. IMHO, Devin Singletary is, by far, the greatest player in the history of Florida Atlantic University. Some where around 20-25 FAUers have played NFL football since they advanced to Division 1 in, I believe, 2005. Needless to say, Mr. Singletary has set FAU rushing records that may stand for decades!
    TAMPA BAY LIGHTNING pounding Calgary 3-1 early in the second period. These two teams, combined, have scored a total of 19 goals the first two times they’ve played each other this season. No one expected a low scoring game tonight. Home crowd at Amalie Arena liking what they’ve seen so far from the Bolts, who lead the NHL in goals scored this season.

    • mf13ss says:

      I’d heard of Devin Singletary several times throughout this past season, but until you opened my eyes and took a peek at him, I had no idea that he was that strong a player. Yessir, I maintain he’s likely going before day 2 of the Draft ends.

  92. olddolphan says:

    MF-13: I’m NOT sold on Haskins. Ohio State consistently has had a big talent edge over most teams that Haskins has started against. And I’m also not excited about his throwing motion. I hope the Dolphins don’t draft him.

    • mf13ss says:

      Acknowledged, and I generally feel the same way. Unless I see something on his tape that ‘WOWS’ me, I’m thinking we shouldn’t trade up for him… and I don’t see him lasting to R1P13, either.

      • olddolphan says:

        ON THE OTHER HAND, young Mr. Murray “Showed Me” something when, against the seemingly unbeatable and undefeated Crimson Tide, he led his Sooners on an amazing comeback that had Saban sweating bullets the last couple of minutes of the national semi-final game. He proved that HE, and not TUA, was the best QB on the field that night!!

        Conversely, I have NOT yet seen Mr. Haskins perform at that level against a team as good as ALABAMA.

      • son of a son of a shula says:

        He shredded then #4 Michigan who got there with Defense.

  93. son of a son of a shula says:

    When everyone starts dissing my guy that’s when I know I’m right lol

    • mf13ss says:

      HOLD UP, LOL!

      I’m not dissin’ your guy, and secondly — due to the fact that he is your guy — I’m not going to be second-guessing ya. Son, I’ve learned throughout the years to NEVER second-guess ya. Why? Your track record speaks for itself, and it’s pretty damn good, man! 🙂

      • son of a son of a shula says:

        You or anyone can second guess me, none of us knows how Haskins or anyone will turn out.

      • mf13ss says:

        I AM being serious. Me and a few others put out dozens of prospects we like every year. You? Not so much. Seems when you pipe up and say that you really like a certain prospect, he excels in the NFL. Your track record is damn good, Bro.

  94. olddolphan says:

    SON: Speaking of “YOUR GUY,” how is Mckenzie Milton’s rehab going?? –There’s a report over here in Tampa that Milton’s going to try to come back for another season at UCF. I HOPE he comes back and has a great season!! –If he does, the NFL will sure give him a shot!

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      He had a second surgery that went well and this surgery is the one that basically for lack of a better term put everything back in place. He’ll be able to rehab very soon. Word is if he can’t get back this year he could take a medical red shirt year and be back for 2020.
      UCF just got Wimbush who transferred from ND.

  95. mf13ss says:

    olddolphan says:
    February 12, 2019 at 9:15 pm
    ON THE OTHER HAND, young Mr. Murray “Showed Me” something…
    I wouldn’t root against Murray succeeding, but I honestly don’t like his odds at the next level. JMO

    • olddolphan says:

      HELL, they might ALL SUCK at the next level. But I truly believe at least 2 of this year’s crop of QB’s will have solid/great NFL careers. Time will tell.

      • mf13ss says:

        That’s right… only time will tell. There are absolutely ZERO guarantees about prospects. The best evaluaters have been sadly wrong before, and the worst evaluaters have been accidentally right before.

  96. olddolphan says:

    LAST POST tonight: SON, I was NOT impressed by Michigan’s defense in REALLY big games, such as the Ohio State game and the bowl game against Florida. The myth of Michigan’s GREAT DEFENSE was just that – – A MYTH built upon victories over a mostly suspect Little 10 Conference. Y’all have a great evening. And I wish nothing but the best for McKenzie Milton.

    I’M OUT.

  97. Tim Knight says:

    Interesting thing this offseason is FA will not necessarily effect the draft. Some players might be transition players as we look for better.

  98. mf13ss says:

    As it stands (and mind ya, I’m barely knee-deep in evaluating this year… late for me!), there’s only 1 guy I’d be willing to trade up for: Josh Allen, EDGE, Kentucky.

    I think it’s going to scare a LOT of Phins fans if on Draft night, we trade up to R1P3 and select him. People will be sayin’, “Oh geez, Dion Jordan scenario all over again!”… but nothing could be further from the truth. Allen is going to be the face of a franchise for YEARS to come… and I don’t remember ANYBODY saying as much about one Dion Jordan.

    But no, I don’t see us trading up for Allen, either. We’ve got to hit on our picks this year and it makes no sense to me to be trading our picks away to move up. Maximize the bounty of this Draft class in order to rebuild.

  99. wyoming85 says:

    I hope Murry pushed another DE down for us to chose from!

  100. Tim Knight says:

    Decide which current players stay or go. Sign low and mid-tier FAs who can help get things started and/or might stick long-term in the 24-29 range. Draft the best players on your board. Sign a bunch of UDFAs and start putting the process in place. Make it a very competitive offseason and go play.

    Build on that team in 2020. Do the same thing. All the while searching for “the guy” at QB.

  101. naplesfan2010 says:

    Did y’all see that article on all the former Phins in the new AAF league?
    Just to name a few
    Stringfellow and Owusu — recent UDFA WRs
    Moten, Warmsley, and Garvin from the DL/LBers.
    Escobar and Duarte, former TEs.
    Will Davis, the “stud” CB who failed every chance we gave him.
    Good Ol’ Dallas Thomas and Andrew “Player A” MacDonald in the bullygate scandal.
    DeVeon Smith — the Michigan RB with lead feet.

    and our erstwhile DC Kevin Coyle is a HC.

  102. ocalarob says:

    in 2020 we will have an estimated 90 mil in cap space

  103. ocalarob says:

    right now we have 10 mil

  104. ocalarob says:

    as for haskins,
    it’s not about being on a dominant team that would diminish him in the pros, it’s about accuracy and completion percentage which he led all of college football in.
    just because you play on a great team that doesn’t make you an accurate passer.
    being accurate should be the number 1 criteria when selecting a QB, not only is Haskins accurate but he has great touch on his passes.

  105. pheloniusphish says:

    I didn’t watch Haskins play, so this is a question for those that may have. In regard to his accuracy, how many of his passes were of the short variety? WR screens, drags, bubble passes, etc.? While I agree with ORob that accuracy is the most important QB trait, I think you have to look at the type of passes thrown in detail to determine it.

    • D says:

      It was majority shorter passes. Urban Myers system is designed that way and there is a lot of pocket shifting, etc. Its not a pro-style offense. He also throws a nice deep pass, though that wasnt the bulk of what he did. He seems to have a nose for the endzone though, when you get close, he finds a way to get it in.

  106. pheloniusphish says:

    And what worries me about Haskins is that he has only one year of starter experience.

  107. pheloniusphish says:

    Murray I wouldn’t touch. Not only because he was a one year starter and is way small, but because he is also a system QB. That’s why he was able to step into Mayfield’s shoes and excel.

    • D says:

      Yeah not a fan of his either. I think it boxes you in as far as scheme, etc. I wouldn’t bring him in as a QB, maybe in a later round but not at 13.

  108. D says:

    Malik Jackson is a guy who is being rumored to be a cut for the Jags. If he isn’t too expensive he would be a good vet to bring in on the DL because he has 3-4 end versatility. Id consider bringing Vernon back as well but im pretty sure he will be outside what we can afford to or even want to spend in FA.

  109. D says:

    I think Drew Lock and Daniel Jones are the two guys i think have the most potential to be franchise players and be producing big for their teams in a year. Both could start thier first year at least at some point in the year.

    I think Dwaye Haskins could be in that list above but im more concerned with him and he could be a boom or bust kind of guy. Still worth a 1st round selection, but more bust potential. Will Grier is in the same boat but i think he is riskier but only by a small amount.

    Finely and Thorson are both the golf equivalent of a lay up, so they are safer bets, think their potential to be anything but average isnt good, but i think their chance of being an average starter is really good. I think this makes them more of a second round selection.

    Stidham is kind of in the Haskins/Grier grouping but a lot lower, i think a lot more chance of bust that boom, i wouldnt select him in the first or second but third on would make the risk/reward a good one.Probably same for Tyree Jackson, Kyle Shurmur, and Brett Rypien.

    After that there are a number of other guys who have potential to be a nice late round pickup. McSorley, Minshew, Fitzgerald, Hansen, Stick. I wouldn’t bet on any of these guys making it, but with the right drive and determination to succeed you cant really count them out. A few of them do have live arms and decent QB skills.

    • D says:

      Forgot to add in Murray. Murray to me is 1-2nd round talent in a package that makes you design your offense very specifically to him. Other teams have done it and been successful and if you believe in him as your guy, you do it, its not that big a deal. Still i dont know at all what they have in plan and without some knowledge of that, i dont feel comfortable saying we should take him with a first round selection, though id be more o board with it as the rounds went on and by 3rd round id consider it a good deal.

  110. mf13ss says:

  111. mf13ss says:

  112. mf13ss says:

  113. mf13ss says:

  114. D says:

    Man that seems to be the ultimate pointless trade.

    • D says:

      Trading for a guy who isnt much better than what you had, eating his dead cap and taking on a sizable chunk of the Ravens contract too. The Raven seem to be the winners of that move, even though they are eating a big chunk of dead cap themselves.

  115. D says:

    So Denver is gaining 11 in the move of cutting Keenum, but picking up 10.5mil of Flaccos for a guy who is older and has been on a much more serious decline trend vs sticking with a guy who was on the roster, had time with the team and had some recent success. I dont think either are good options for them but that trade seems silly. Ultimately they lost a mid round pick for saving 500k in cap.

    • D says:

      I guess they might be planning on extending him and getting more in cap savings for this year, but still seems weird to me, especially as a trade. Maybe that means that Denver is out of the running on a QB though will give us a shot at one.

    • mf13ss says:

      It’s not clear that Denver is going to outright cut Keenum… they may want a QB competition between Keenum and Flacco. However, it does look as though they will likely cut Keenum. We’ll see.

  116. mf13ss says:

    IF Case Keenum is cut, I think we’ve got to take a serious look at him to be a “bridge” QB for us. Who knows, he might even recapture the magic he had in Minny with our WR corps and hopefully a much better O-Line than we or he had last year.

  117. mf13ss says:

    Yes… it DOES look like Keenum will be either cut or traded.

  118. mf13ss says:

  119. mf13ss says:

    This is GREAT!!!

  120. stangerx says:

    M13 — if Tanny is done, then Case Keenum has to be an option. Even if we take a QB in the draft. His base salary this year is $19 mil though. So sounds like won’t be via trade unless he is willing to redo.

    • Mike E. says:

      NO, NO, NO, NO! We don’t need another high priced journeyman QB. I think I would scream if they made that move. May as well hold on Tannehill instead of picking up Keenum, he’s already here. Now Sonny would scream if we did that, but we’re not doing either one of those things.

      • stangerx says:

        Q is what his price would be. They traded for Flacco and are getting ready to cut him for a reason. His salary only comes with him in a trade.

  121. ocalarob says:

    haskins reminds me of dan marino

  122. D says:

    IMO if we look to a journeyman vet his price tag has to be in the 5-8mil range. That would give us a net 5-8mil in cap savings off trading or cutting Tanny.

  123. ocalarob says:

    i think we are still paying suh, and tannehill will cost us 13 mil so trying to save money to field a better team seems futile to me because we have no money. we may clear some by releasing players but those players have to be replaced and i doubt this team will sign any fa deals that are beyond 2019, even our safety is hitting our cap at 17 mil!.

    2020 is the year we can really start to rebuild with 90 + mill to spend

  124. Mike E. says:

    I can actually see what Rob is talking about with Haskins. He has this upright little bounce in his feet, like little hops, and then he just turn his body to the receiver and lets it rip. I really like the way he throws

  125. Mike E. says:

    I wish some video guy could superimpose Marino and Haskins throwing. That upright, compact delivery, and like I said earlier, those bouncy feet.

    • D says:

      No one has ever had the release that Marino has. I dont see it at all. I think he has a good quick release but its not Marino. The blasphemy comment was tongue-and-cheek because of how much he is worshiped among us as fans but i truly dont see it. Its just like anything, if you tell me some woman sings like Whitney or some get is as good a character actor as Tom Hanks, or as good of a writer as Tolkien, im probably going to tell you the same thing.

  126. D says:

    ocalarob says:
    February 13, 2019 at 2:31 pm

    you’d be better off just going with one of the Qbs we already have….why waste 8 mil and i highly doubt any fa will be more than a 1 year deal.
    We could do that but i wouldn’t mind a guy like Fitz or McCown for the coach on the sidelines aspect of helping the new guy get his feet.

  127. stangerx says:

    Tim Tebow got engaged to Demi-Leigh Nel-Peters, a South African model and Miss Universe 2017.

  128. son of a son of a shula says:

    The girl from yesterday who got snouted on her extraordinary posterior is hotter

  129. Mike E. says:

    D – Not the quick release, his upright, square delivery, including how short it is. He sets up properly each time, and those feet really remind me of Marino too. Does that mean he has a 1/10 of Marion’s NFL career? Absolutely not, but his throwing mechanics and set up are reminiscent of Marinos

  130. naplesfan2010 says:

    Flacco to Denver … glad it’s not us

  131. Randy says:

    Marino used to talk about how important your legs are in the mechanics of throwing. Haskins has a similar hip snap like Marino did. The rest of his motion doesn’t remind me a lot of Marino but from the hips down he does.

  132. Tim Knight says:

    I’m surprised M13 wants us to look into Case Keenum if he’s released. LOL

  133. Keenum sucks. Seriously. He’s not even worth a 7th

  134. TryPod says:

    Nick Buonicoti documentary on HBO right now.

  135. pheloniusphish says:

    I’ll give it to ORob…If Haskins fell to 13 I would take him.

  136. wyoming85 says:

    I Keenum an upgrade from Tanny???????????

    I would say no!!!!!!!

  137. mf13ss says:

  138. Tim Knight says:

    With all the comments about the Dolphins tanking, being the lowest ranked team, worst odds to make the Super Bowl etc. Why do people than say favorite to land Le’Veon Bell and/or Antonio Brown is the Dolphins. Does anyone pay attention to what anyone says anymore? Stephen Ross laid out the new approach and why he made changes at GM and HC. To build the team the right way. How the fuck does Le’Veon Bell and/or Antonio Brown fit that narrative? LOL

    • mf13ss says:

      I HEAR YA! What’s more, if so many people here think Case Keenum sucks, then why wouldn’t we bring him in during a rebuilding season? It’s not as though he’s a premium QB, right?

      • Tim Knight says:

        Well I know why you want us to bring in Keenum. He wouldn’t be my choice because if we’re going to bring in a guy with some experience, I’d want them to be younger too. You never know if a guy looking for a shot surprises and pans out. Everyone knows what Keenum is by now. He seems headed towards career backup at this point in his career.

  139. mf13ss says:

    My man Ricky Williams is on Celebrity Big Brother right now. He may be the big winner of the show, which will be revealed very shortly (minutes away) on CBS.

  140. mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    February 13, 2019 at 10:14 pm
    Well I know why you want us to bring in Keenum…
    Honestly, I don’t really ‘care’ about who we bring in as a seasoned vet. It’s more about our future at this point, so I’m not going to be picky. As emotionally invested as I am in Case, I think it would be totally understandable if he’s not our choice.

  141. New Age says:


    We both think Haskins is the creme of this draft. Would you trade up for him and how far? I find him to be a more talented but less experienced Mayfield. I also consider him better than any QB in next year’s draft but worry about the kind of talent we could put around him in the next 2-3 years if we would sell the farm.

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      I agree with you that I think he’s better than next years crop.
      It costs a lot to move up but if you see your guy you have to pay the freight and go get him. Fortunately this year it doesn’t look as though you have to go all the way to one to get him so that in itself saves you a lot.
      13 – 1 is 3 firsts and other stuff
      13 – 4 or 5 is 2 firsts at most maybe a first and 2 seconds.

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      Also there are so many ways to add/get talent I wouldn’t even worry about it if we have our QB. I think we have a lot in place to work with as it is.

  142. son of a son of a shula says:

    If you get Keemun he comes with expectations and you get what Tannehill would give you. You may as well keep Tannehill and have no expectations. Ugg.

  143. ocalarob says:

    We will also have 90 mil in cap money in 2020, that’s one way to shore up a team behind haskins, i would do what it takes to get him.

  144. Mike E. says:

    M – I’ll bite at your question about Keenum . . . It’s not that Keenum sucks, but Keenum isn’t very good either. We already have that with Tannehil. What would be the point of cutting Tannehill, paying his salary, and then signing another just like him? It doesn’t make any sense. Just go with the QB’s we have and the one we hopefully draft, and whatever happens, happens.

  145. Mike E. says:

    I’ve decided since Haskins is so much like Marino, we should trade back to #27, and draft him there

  146. Mike E. says:

    Doesn’t Haskins have a coke problem or something? lol

  147. son of a son of a shula says:

    You wanna fix the Dolphins then fix the QB position that’s where 90% of the problems are.

  148. Tim Knight says:

    If the teams plan is to rebuild the right way starting with the trenches then trading up for a QB pretty much slows that process down. That’s putting the cart before the horse. It’s not as if the next two years are the last years that QBs will be available. Definitely bring some QBs in but to sell the farm for one in the first year of a rebuild seems dumb to me.

  149. Mike E. says:


  150. BailBondMike says:

    I expect Jake Fromm to enter draft in 2020 and I believe he is better than Haskins. JF’s devilery is not as quick but he has good accuracy and arm strength. What sets him apart from any QB in this draft and next years is his football IQ and ability to read a defense in a matter of seconds. Many QB’s have the physical tools to be able to play in the NFL (Tannehill, etc.) but that’s not enough. For me, it’s the combination of accuracy and IQ. I mean, what makes Marino, Brady, P. Manning, Brees, and Rodgers elite over the rest of the pack. To me it was their accuracy (pre-injury w/Manning) and football IQ.

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