Ja’Wuan James – Re-sign or replace?

The Dolphins have a decision looming, do they re-sign their own former 2014 1st RD pick (#19), or do they try and replace him. It’s not as easy as a decision as some might think. While James is not an elite RT, especially in the sense of the “old” prototype of a right tackle, who was usually not a very good pass blocker, but usually a road grader on the right end of the line. In fact, James is the polar opposite of that, he’s a very good pass blocker, but his run blocking skills after 5 seasons are still somewhat lacking.

The Miami Dolphins offensive line has been in flux for too long. Last season we signed former pro bowl OG Josh Sitton after the Bears declined to re-sign him, and Sitton didn’t make it past game 1 before being placed on season ending IR. Center Dan Kilgore, who the Dolphins traded a 7th RD pick for with the Niners didn’t make it that much further as he was placed IR after game 4. The Dolphins had already decided to give journeyman Jesse Davis a shot at the RG spot, and Davis started and finished all 16 games, but his play was just marginal, average or less than average.

At LG, good ole Ted Larsen started 13 games but played in 15 for the Dolphins as the Dolphins really had little depth left with both Sitton and Kilgore both out for the season before the first quarter of the season was finished. It’s really come down to a numbers game, and the numbers are not in our favor. We basically have 1 starter at the moment, Laremy Tunsil, if we decide to move on from James. I know this season is going to be a bumpy one, but if we have to try and bring in 4 new starters on the OL, that’s quite an undertaking. It’s possible we keep Kilgore and Larsen, their salaries are palatable (even if their play isn’t always). Between the 2 players they will come out to about $5M in salary. Even if both are kept for depth only, I think that’s doable.

The other part of the equation is that James has played the entire season and then the following year, injuries limited him to playing half the season or less twice. In ’14 James started all 16 games. In ’15 he played and started only 7. In ’16 James started all 16 games, in ’17 James was limited to starting only 8. Last season James started and played in 15 games. You know what’s coming in ’19, right? I actually don’t believe in those kind of things. I think James will be fine this season. Where he will play is another story.

If I were the GM, I’d keep the steady pass blocking RT because he’s young He’ll be 27 when the season starts, and because he is a good pass blocker, a very good one. His consistency could be a little better, but considering the fact that he had a journeyman next to him all last season, and Davis definitely had his struggles, I think James is a keeper. He will probably get somewhere between $8-12M per year, but I think it’s worth it. He’s going to get that for sure from another team, and I loathe to let our own 1st RD pick leave. I’d re-sign him. Your thoughts?

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1,310 Responses to Ja’Wuan James – Re-sign or replace?

  1. Mike E. says:

    For Star Wars fans, and Star is Born fans, Funny!

  2. Mike E. says:

    All the rage, I turned the page . . .

  3. bailbondmike says:

    M13, I agree with what you said about DE Gary. I like Chase Winovich (sp?) in the 2nd. He is one of those smart nonstop motor guys. I watched 3 Michigan games last year and I heard Winovich’s name called at least twice as much as Gary’s in every game. Winovich and Devin Bush were names I always heard when their D was on the field.

  4. Mike E. says:

    Sweat really is a physical specimen. 6’6 260, 4.41, 21 reps with with 35 3/4″ arms, plus the 125″ broad jump and the 7.0 in the cone drill. That’s something. Not saying that all translates to a great football player, but if he has it between the ears, and he has it in his chest, that’s a monster player.

  5. bailbondmike says:

    Phish, I don’t like Rosen at all. Comes across as smug and thinks he is all that. I look at him like a whimpier much less talented Matt Ryan.

  6. Anti-Hater says:


  7. bailbondmike says:

    Sitting here trying to get dismissed from jury selection. It’s ridiculous IMO that I am still here. I recognized 7 names on the docket who are on bond with me and another 2 who we arrested and put back in jail. There are probably several more client’s of mine on the docket that I don’t recognize right off the bat. SMH

  8. stangerx says:

    Just reports — but looking like it will be Nick Foles to Nick Foles to Jacksonville. Article said Jags were the only bidder, which of course would mean not us.

  9. bailbondmike says:

    Piggy, no. They said only LEO are exempt off the bat then the judges have to decide who else goes home which just started. Been here for 2 1/2 hours watching videos and listening to a speech from the county voting officer. Ugh. I just keep glancing at boobies to make me feel better 🙂

  10. Mike E. says:

    BBM, What’s LEO?

  11. mf13ss says:

    bailbondmike says:
    March 4, 2019 at 10:28 am
    M13, I agree with what you said about DE Gary. I like Chase Winovich (sp?) in the 2nd. He is one of those smart nonstop motor guys. I watched 3 Michigan games last year and I heard Winovich’s name called at least twice as much as Gary’s in every game. Winovich and Devin Bush were names I always heard when their D was on the field.
    Thanks, Brother. And I agree with you on Chase Winovich: his 4.59 40-time coupled with a non-stop motor is a winning combination. Methinks Chase made himself a lot of $crilla at the Combine, now possibly going on day 1 of the Draft.

  12. mf13ss says:

    Mike E,

    Nice Star Wars song above! 😀

  13. mf13ss says:

    • Anti-Hater says:

      two wrongs don’t make a right. (three lefts do)

      Tyrod has a record in the NFL as a semi-successful starter. Rosen not so much.

    • pheloniusphish says:

      I’ll gp with Kurt Warner and an unnamed GM that a 3rd is as high as it goes.

  14. mf13ss says:

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      didn’t read it yet so my thoughts remain pure
      Re sign Gore and play Minkah as FS full time (except for strategic moments to confuse a QB). That way we save a draft pick for a DL, which we will have on a rookie contract after Gore retires.

      Start Reshad at SS and give him rest by playing McDonald on obvious running downs or other appropriately timed occasions. That way Jones and TJ will stay fresher and hopefully full speed right into the playoffs. Both have had shoulder injuries cause they hit so hard and hit big men moving full speed.

    • Mike E. says:

      There ya go! Boy has to be a safety, and I can’t comprehend why we would want to re-sign Frank Gore. Talk about progress stopper deluxe!

  15. naplesfan2010 says:

    Would you like to have Josh Rosen as our QB? What is his strength? Can he be a Brady-lite for a couple years as Bledsoe was until the real thing can be found? For a 3rd?

    Or Wake/Quinn/Alonso/Reshad/whoever and a 4th?

    Would Tyrod or bridgewater be better in that role? More exciitement to re-interest the fan base?

    Would a scrambler QB be better to go with Grant, Wilson, and Drake like a chinese fire drill?
    or would a drop back QB be better to utilize their break away speed?

  16. naplesfan2010 says:

    I just love Frank Gore.
    He’s tough, a great role model, and a guy who can win a game late.
    Instead of seeing him as a progress stopper, why not see him as a career extender for Drake whose body might not take the interior run pounding so well.

    Plus if Drake gets 1500 yds + catches 40 passes and 10 TDs , can we afford him or will we lose him like we did Lamar?

  17. naplesfan2010 says:

    Isn’t winovich just a sub/ST guy?

  18. naplesfan2010 says:

    Sweat is the real deal.
    Draft him and enjoy.
    Gary is another meh guy. Seems kinda passive (if you can be that at that level)

  19. Mike E. says:

    Naples – I don’t think we would run Drake for 1500 yards. He’s a guy that should probably share the carries with another back or two. Still, he should get a lot more touches than he has here. The guy is a HR waiting to happen, and we barely used him. I would scream if we signed 36YO Frank Gore and repeated what we did last year. Give him 180-200 carries, and thrown him a good 60-80 passes and you’ll get some nice production from him. We also have Kalen Ballage, I’d like to see him develop, rather than watch Gore steal his carries. What’s the point of that? We’re supposed to be rebuilding, getting younger, why sign a 36 YO RB? I just don’t get it. It doesn’t follow what we’re trying to accomplish at all.

    Just for example – Look at what the Panthers did with Christian McCaffery. 323 touches, Drake had juts a bit more than half that last year, 173. That’s totally under using your asset. If you don’t think Drake fits what you want, then trade him and get some value, don’t just sit him on the damn bench.

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      Gore is not just any guy. He’s a HoF for real.
      Brady’s old too.

      I love Drake and want him to get used way better than the dazed and confused Gase did.

      What if McCaffrey lasts 2 more years and then the pounding makes him lose a step.
      What was Panthers’ record this past year with little McCaff as a featureback?

      Watch them sign Gore, use him and McCaff as i outlined above, and go deep in the playoffs. LOL Be just our luck.

      • stangerx says:

        If Gore wants to play some more with us before he retires have not real problem with it. The young kids can learn a lot from him….. like having another coach in the Wake way.

  20. Anti-Hater says:

    Does anyone remember anything being said about Isaac Asiata and what his weaknesses were? Why when we were in desperate need of OG’s he couldn’t get called up?

    I’m just trying to figure out if he just doesn’t have it and won’t develop or if he had some issue that they are working through. (I.e. he needed to get stronger or he couldn’t pick up the play book)

    • Anti-Hater says:

      I thought he was going to be a gem in the rough but no such luck.

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      I inferred that he couldn’t learn the plays (especially who to block if the DL lined up “funny.”) and ALSO had really poor technique on certain pass pro sets.

      Of course, Gase’s OL guy was trashed on “a white powdery substance he was snorting offf a hooker’s butt” so maybe Asiata has not received much quality coaching, since Gase was too busy designing “fruit basket upset” plays.

    • stangerx says:

      From the reports on him being strong wasn’t the problem at all. More a big rough guard stone that couldn’t be polished.

  21. Rockphin says:

    Gore is 36. I love him but I think they should let him go elsewhere.

    What you do you guys think about Re-signing Brandon Bolden? (29 yo)

    • stangerx says:

      Gonna be some transition time, which means place holders. Bolden had one good game and weird as it is to say at 29 is getting up there. Doesn’t mean can’t be kept for depth though. And is an ex-Pat.

  22. Rockphin says:

    I am still holding out hope that some of the younger disappointments (like Asiata) finally step up.

    I can’t count how many guys I see in the league who’s names seem familiar to me that I look up to see they were on the Dolphins and let go.

    (Evan Mathis comes to mind)

  23. Randy says:

    I had posted my thoughts on Asiata when we drafted him. He was extremely unpolished. He was a guy who was playing almost purely on his athletic ability and nothing else. He played out of balance. He was always leaning too far over his toes. He played too high. His knee bend was not good. He reached and grabbed a lot. Long story short, his technique was just pretty bad. Plus, he seemed a little more undisciplined mentally by the things he said when he was drafted. He was talking way too much for his talent level and issues he had. I don’t think he understood the growth and work he was going to have to do coming into the NFL. Just my .02 worth.

  24. Mike E. says:

    Naples – Brady is the lynch pin in the Patriots success, you can’t compare Gore to Brady. No RB wins a championship, or Barry Sanders would have at least one if not five. Gore wants to start, he doesn’t want to just be a mentor. Drake has already seen what Gore is about and if hasn’t rubbed off by now, it won’t. He’s a great RB, one of the best, but just like Wake is one of the best DE’s, and Reshad one of the best safeties, if we’re rebuilding, they don’t belong here. I’m not interested in enjoying watching any of those great players for my own enjoyments if they’re not letting this team grow, and I feel like they’re not.

    Hopefully, Gore and Wake get to go to championship caliber teams to finish their careers. I’m hoping Reshad can also go to a team that’s ready to compete for a championship but needs help on D, like Tim mentioned, the Chiefs. He would be great there, and maybe the Chiefs would be willing to give up a high pick to get him. I say this even if all 3 of those guys (Wake, Gore and Reshad) are better than what we have here. That doesn’t matter, because when our window to be competitive arrives, none of these guys will be around or really able to help us 2-3 years down the road. That’s where we need to be looking IMO.

  25. mf13ss says:

    I’ll say it again: I think Wake comes back for us this year.

  26. Mike E. says:

    To illustrate Drakes HR capability

    Kenyan Drake – 1TD every 19.2 touches

    Christian McCaffrey – 1 TD every 25 touches

    Like we couldn’t use more touchdowns?

  27. Tim Knight says:

    Hope all is well with D after the tornadoes in Alabama.

  28. Tim Knight says:

    Brandon Bolden is a core STs guy and so is Senorise Perry. I could see them both back for STs and depth at RB. I think we can roll with Drake and Ballage as our one-two punch.

  29. son of a son of a shula says:

    D is in Mississippi

  30. Mike E. says:

    D is pretty close to the Senior Bowl which is in Mobile Alabama, but I think he is in Mississippi

    • Tim Knight says:

      I think he’s in the panhandle so maybe Mississippi, thought he was in Alabama.

      • stangerx says:

        Tornadoes were in eastern Bama and a chunk north on the Georgia line. So he shouldn’t have been in the worst zone for them. Might have had some real bad weather though.

  31. Mike E. says:


  32. TryPod says:

    My dad and cousins live in Lee County (Opelika), AL. They all came out ok. My oldest cousin said her boys were out trying to help where they could.

  33. Tim Knight says:

    This draft is going to be interesting not just for us but how it starts. If ARZ selects Murray does a Josh Rosen trade then effect where the other QBs go specifically Haskins?

    • Tim Knight says:

      There is a good chance that we draft one of these Clemson DL with our DL coach having good insight on them. He coached them as young pups.

  34. Rockphin says:

    Tim Knight says:
    March 4, 2019 at 6:34 pm
    There is a good chance that we draft one of these Clemson DL

    There seems to be a lot of talent there BUT I have read some interviews with some of the kids praising our coach. So are they good because of him ? I’ve also read a silly article saying that none of them are really all that good because of the talent around them ……

    • Tim Knight says:

      Right they were all good because they were all good. LOL

      I don’t think they’re all going 1st rd but 3 of them might.

  35. Rockphin says:

    Hopefully coach gives him some good insight on the guys and we draft a winner Hopefully they are a winner in part because of the coach and hopefully he helps coach the rest of the players up as well

  36. son of a son of a shula says:

    Glad to hear everyone is safe Trypod, F4 monster, God bless those affected.

  37. Tim Knight says:

    My two favorite prospects right now are Ed Oliver and Clelin Ferrell. Oliver reminds everyone of Aaron Donald and Ferrell reminds me of Willie McGinest. Can play the run and rush the passer. Both of these guys are physically talented and good football players.

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      Clelin would be the equivalent of Minkah but to the DLine.
      I like Lawrence for us too as Naples has described a load in the middle.

  38. Mike E. says:

    TryPod – Glad to hear your family came out alright

  39. son of a son of a shula says:

    Ima trade Parker for Josh Dobbs and draft all this awesome defense. Find as well some guys to solidify the Oline and go compete. Getterdone! (miss him btw)

  40. pheloniusphish says:

    How do the Giants let Landon Collins walk?

  41. son of a son of a shula says:

    Dang, Luke Perry 52 years old – dead.

  42. naplesfan2010 says:

    Mike E
    You know that you and I are great friends. We shared some sympatico moments sitting next to each other at the Fest game (which sucked and ended me supporting Gase). So I get what you mean.
    But I totally disagree with you about Wake, Gore, and Jones.
    We do not have the resources to get guys to fill those spots yet.
    Let’s enjoy some of the premier players ever at their positions and use our limited resources to fill spots where currently we have junk as starters.
    Then we can replace our great guys last with high draft picks.
    Let’s replace our worst players first. We have guys I can’t enjoy watching. Why keep them?
    We can’t replace the whole team in one year.

    Of course, the FO will do whatever it does, and I’ll just cheer on as i have done sinc the 60s.

  43. D says:

    My sister is in Columbus GA, near Opelika. They had some touch down in their neighborhood but didn’t damage them. Destroyed a few places very close to them.

    • D says:

      I didn’t get any of the bad part. Some nasty storms but no tornadoes. I’m on the Alabama Mississippi line down near the coast so all of you were correct in some way or the other. Thanks for the concern though and glad to report fine here.

    • D says:

      I live in Mississippi and work in Alabama (Mobile)

  44. naplesfan2010 says:

    That; being said, wow can we get somebody in here who can figure out how to get drake some magic touches, because that guy can score from our own one yard line.

    And Ballage, who as you remember was my #1 pick at RB coming out that year, (tied with f’n Sony Michel) can also score from 60 70 yards out if he gets the angle on the last CB.

    But you need 3 and I don’t want to waste a draft oick on RB when we need so much help on the DL.

  45. naplesfan2010 says:

    Dex Lawrence did a DL best 36 reps and even at 342 pounds, had a 1.76 10 yard split.
    That’s the type 1tech we need. (There are sone other good DTs we could draft too.)
    (or we get one in FA) (Sheldon?)
    Then get Oliver who is Aaron Donald 2.0.

  46. Mike E. says:

    Naples – Yeah man, I get the disagreement. You’re definitely a friend, you’re a good man, and one much more intelligent than me as well. It’s just my opinion, and my passion behind it. I could be way off on all the things I say, but I stand behind my statements with conviction until they’re proven wrong. I hope whatever they do, even if it’s not what I think should happen, works out for the best of the team.

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      You guys are both awesome and I too hope they get it right but unlike you I’ll be pissed if they don’t do it the way I say, lol.

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      no i see your point.
      I do.
      I just don’t want it to go that way.
      What you say makes sense.
      I just hate it, hate blowing it up.
      I hate the tank.

  47. son of a son of a shula says:

    Good to see you D 👍

  48. The Flying Pig says:

    Happy to see you guys on the ed Oliver and Clelin Ferrel since those 2 are some of my favorites as well

    I was a fan of Ferrel last year and then he stayed in school
    And Oliver just kills it

  49. The Flying Pig says:

    another DL I like is Jerry Tillery

  50. Mike E. says:

    FWIW – They were talking about Landon Collins on NY sports radio a bunch the last couple of days. They basically all agree, the guy can’t cover at all. He’s great at or around the LOS making tackles, but most times when they asked him to cover, he got toasted. That’s why he’s gone

  51. The Flying Pig says:

    Not sure if this guy looks so dominant bc of the level,of competition- but this is a pretty impressive highlight tape

  52. The Flying Pig says:

    13: R1P13
    48: R2P16
    78: R3P14
    116: R4P14
    151: R5P13
    188: R6P15
    234: R7P20

  53. The Flying Pig says:

    13: R1P13
    48: R2P16
    78: R3P14
    116: R4P14
    151: R5P13
    188: R6P15
    234: R7P20

  54. ElephantRider says:

    So…if this franchise does nothing but fail, does that mean they will undoubtedly fail at tanking and win? I’m cool with that.

  55. I’m sorry, but if Rosen became available and we could get him for the #13 I’d take it. He’s a steal at #13. Tannehill was drafted #8. How could anyone argue about using the 13th pick in the draft to get Rosen?

    He’s a perfect fit for this offense.

    • pheloniusphish says:

      I wouldn’t give up a 1st for him. He didn’t show much last year, albeit he was on a bad team. His market is a 3rd. Not necessarily because of him, but because the Cards have put them in a bad bargaining position as well.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Agree about bargaining position
        The Cards basically showed everyone their “cards”
        Tee-hee…see what I did there

  56. ocalarob says:

    i have played golf at Grand National golf course near Auburn univ where the Tornadoes hit.
    very sad.

  57. Mike E. says:

    It all depends on how Grier and Flores view Rosen. From everything we know they weren’t enamored with Rosen last year, but who really knows? It also depends on how many suitors there are for Rosen, and if the Cards really do take Murray #1

  58. New Age says:

    We didn’t want Rosen at #1-9 last year and neither did anyone else. A desperate Arizona reached and I don’t see anyone else doing that this year with him, not even the Redskins. I’d definitely try to get the Skins to use some picks to get him high in the second though. We could use as many early QB picks as possible.

    There may be 4 QBs taken in the first but only two are possible franchise guys. No reason to reach in such a poor QB draft. Take Tyree in the 4th or late in the 3rd if you move down at some point. We can get 3 really good starters this draft, maybe four. Let’s build the right way.

  59. Mike E. says:

    CBS sports latest mock has us trading up to #5 to take Dwayne Haskins and bring tears of joy to Sonny

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I like Haskins
      But I don’t really want to trade up

      • Mike E. says:

        If we think he’s our guy for the next 10 years I have no problem going to get him. I’d prefer not to trade up obviously, but if that’s our guy, get him and then worry about the rest after.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Well if he turns out to be Warren Moon (who he says he models his game after) I might give up 5 drafts for him

        But we can’t go through any of these scenarios without using the word “if”

        And the other “if” is if he turns out to be busy, if he turns out to be average, if he has a serious injury esrlyninbhis career – then it hurts our franchise

        Ryan Tannehill was our guy for 7 years and we didn’t sniff a championship

  60. The Flying Pig says:

    I think Rosen has a lot of talent
    I wouldn’t get carried away with his rookie year – AZ was horrible and no one really plays well in their rookie years and even when they do, it often doesn’t mean much (see RG3)

    But we passed on him last year and that means something
    Greier was a part of that FO

    So I don’t see it
    And I also don’t think Rosen is the best opportunity for us, when we have a shot ar haskins, albeit a long shot

    Is Rosen an upgrade to Lock or Jones?
    I tend to think he’s about the same

    I would say let’s see what AZ does as this plays out
    They put themselves in a corner by showing so much interest in Murray

    An interesting option would be if AZ would take TAnnehill from us for Rosen and nominal draft compensation bc that would help us cap wise and wouldn’t necessarily take us out of the market for a QB in 2019 or 2020

    But I stress nominal draft value

    I basically either want Haskins or DL/Edge help from the #13 pick

    • Mike E. says:

      That could be an interesting option (Tannehill for Rosen + a draft pick).

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Yeah and if AZ wants a vet to hold the reigns for Murray maybe they want to do it

        I know Atheirnis a lot of negativity around Tannehill from Dolfans, but Tannehill + a franchise rookie is a positive combo for a team bc Tannehill is a vey with starting experience

        It’s why I have talked about keeping Tannehill if we draft a rookie
        But for us at 13 and not knowing who will be available – it’s tougher to take that risk

        But if AZ wants Murray at 1 there’s less risk

      • The Flying Pig says:

        And Even if Rosen can’t be our franchise QB (which I’m skeptical about) he can be the backup we should have drafted years ago (but failed to)

        And we are back in a place where we can hold tight at 13 and see what happens, then look to 2020 to draft a QB if we don’t land one at 13

    • D says:

      We didnt pass on Rosen, we just didnt trade up to get him. There is a pretty big difference, and i think a lot of it had to do with Gase not wanting to consider a reboot, so they didnt push to give up draft capital and select him especially when they had a stud defensive prospect that was sitting there in wait.

  61. Mike E. says:

    Piggi – I guess what I mean is if they have really strong convictions that a particular QB can be a great player then I don’t have a problem with going to get him. Of course that player better show he was worth it, and that definitely puts a lot of pressure on the player, the coaches and mostly the GM who made the move. It’s different than liking a QB and thinking if he happened to fall to you you’d consider taking him, know what I mean?

  62. D says:

    My thoughts on Rosen is it helps solve some problems. If we trade for him, especially if its a 3rd round pick, we have 1 and 2 to put to other things and counting him as our 3rd round pick would be a HUGE value pick. He would fit what it seems like we are going to be planning to do better than Murray, and Murray would fit Arizona’s purposed system better. It would be a win for both teams. If we had to give up a second, i think we are having the same argument, with a slight change in draft strategy.

    • D says:

      Im not for trading for him but i definitely wouldn’t be against it. A lot though has to transpire, there are a couple of other draft prospects i like as much or more, i just have a feeling we are not going to have a shot at them. Im feeling Lock or Jones right now. Haskins a close third. Id even consider Murry but i think thats going against what im seeing as our offense, but these coaches may be able to take that talent and do something with it no matter how they have to change up some things so im not going to bemoan the pick even if it is Murray

  63. D says:

    Its not negative feelings abotu Tanny, Piggy, its financial absurdity to keep him. There is no logical reason to keep him and pay the 26.6.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      If you cut him – you still have quite a bit of that financial absurdity in dead money

      • D says:

        you have half of it, so tell me it doesn’t make sense to save 13mil in cap space if you can. It makes 0 sense to say, well he’s going to cost us 13mil so lets keep him, and pay him double that…. how can that make any sense.

  64. D says:

    Im not thinking there can be any trade that nets us roasen thatdoesnt also cost a pick. The Cards are going to look to recoup something from him, they have all the leverage. Rosen is cheap being on a rookie contract, he has a 5th year option, albeit a high price tag one. He has talent and even on a bad team he held his own pretty well for a rookie. They aren’t going to trade him for Tanny and give us a pick, thats not happening. We could Trade Tanny to them as a way to cut down on our cap, we wont get anything i return for the trade. We might could leverage it to be a 3rd instead of a second, but thats about it. Still that basically meant they were willing to do it for a third all along loo.,

    • Mike E. says:

      No, we would have to give them Tanny and a pick, hopefully not higher than a 3rd. I realized I worded what I wanted to say wrong

      • D says:

        Then yes i can see your point, but i promise ya they are not going to sweeten the pot for taking on his cap, thats a bargaining chip for them not us.

  65. D says:

    We would be better off trading Tanny to a team that wants a step in starter, ie they have all the piees they need except QB and they wanna roll the dice ona guy who might be able to help them this year. They also have to be a team with a lot of cap space so that his contract didn’t push them to their limit. Basically he has to be a pressure sale for us to get anything for him, hell just to get the deal to be made. I still dont think we will get much of anything for him higher than a 5th. We are not looking to recomp a big pick for him, not when looking at it from the FO prospective, we are lookng not to have to pay him and get something, anything, or him.

  66. D says:

    You guys look at dead cap hit all wrong…. You should only be concerned with how much savings we get. You wanna cut Quinn to save the 12mil, why wouldnt you want to cut Tanny to save the 13? It doesnt matter that there is a dead cap hit for Tanny and not Quinn, it only matters how much you are saving. The only time it matters to make you not wanna cut someone is when their cap hit goes up if you cut them, or in some cases where the amount you save wont replace them as an asset.

    We arent trying to win this year so non of his experience as a starter matters to us. If we want a vet presence at QB (and tha has been argued as a “we dont”) you can still save cap hit and get a vet to hold down the fort, again, still saving on Tanny’s cut. Every angle you come at there is a dead end to the logic of keeping Tanny.

  67. D says:

    Trading for Rosen and giving up a 3rd is a 0 risk trade for us. If we can also get Tanny off the books then bonus. I think it would be good for Tanny too because that system Klingsbury is supposedly going to run would fit him pretty well too so he would get a good chance to showcase himself while Murray got up to speed. I think its a good match but we are for sure not going to get them to give on anything in that trade. They have all the marbles.

    • D says:

      If we make that trade, im all in for Montez Sweat, Deandre Baker, Greedy Williams, Clellin Ferrell, Greg Little, Jonah Williams, or Christian Wilkins with our first. Probably at least 3 of those guys will be there.

  68. pheloniusphish says:

    I don’t think Arizona gets more than a 3rd for Rosen, period.

  69. D says:

    If Tanny is still on this team next year then i promise you there are pictures of Grier sucking of a male prostitute in a Tanny’s safety deposit box. Only way to explain it.

  70. pheloniusphish says:

    To expand on that – ‘Zona traded up to get Rosen, so they spent a 1st, a 2nd, and a 5th for him. Now they’re (potentially) pulling the plug on him after one year? What are they going to tell other teams? “Rosen is awesome…a sure fire hall of famer…yeah, that’s the ticket.”? If the Cards thought Rosen was a sure thing franchise QB or had the potential to be above average or elite, they wouldn’t trade him for a one year college starter who might make it in the NFL or might not.

    • D says:

      Id tell them, with a new HC and new offensive philosophy i dont think he is the perfect fit for us. We have the option with the first pick to get our guy and Rosen deserves a chance to be a starter elsewhere and has told us if do plan on drafting a guy to please explore his options for trade.

      • D says:

        Actually i dont even think you have to tell them, most the NFL execs could figure that out on their own. The opinion of whether a franchise wants to trade for him will be mostly based on what they see in his tapes, not what them wanting to get rid of him means about him as a player. People move on from players all the time, especially after HC transitions.

  71. Tim Knight says:

    What Mike said about Landon Collins is what I’ve been hearing about why the Giants don’t want to pay him top safety money. They like him, just not at that price because coverage is not something he thrives at doing.

    • D says:

      I see him as every bit as good as TJ in that way, but he probably would be one of those guys who would be better off transition to the NLB position, because his coverage wouldn’t be considered a liability there. A lot og the Bama safeties are like this. Its only recently that their secondary has really started to become a strong suit for them. They have always beena tackle based system, play back and make the tackle in front of you and let the DL/DE/LB’s spuh them to make stupid decisions in the passing game.

      • D says:

        Coverage is something they have beenstrong in for about 3-4 years tops.

      • Tim Knight says:

        It’s about his price tag for the Giants. They’re also looking to trade Vernon for the same reason. Good player, not elite but being paid as elite.

  72. D says:

    The idea of Greg Little is really growing on me the more im unsure of if we will re-sign James. Little replaced Tunsil, is pretty close to as good, and if Taylor goes as high as he is supposed to we probably wouldn’t get a shot at him. Little would be a good fall back option. A lot depends on this upcoming FA period, which thats like next week.

  73. pheloniusphish says:

    D – And as GM I would tell them you fired your HC after one year of piss poor offensive performance from your QB. Who had Larry “Fuckin'” Fitzgerald to whom to throw. And David Johnson to to whom to hand the ball off. I’m not buying what you’re selling.

    • pheloniusphish says:

      At best someone would be getting a QB whose confidence is bruised and battered.

      • D says:

        You do have to take that into consideration, thats why a 3rd isnt bad compensation, but i could see if we really wanna offload Tanny’s contract we might offer more to take him lol. One round difference isnt going to be the death of us either.

  74. The Flying Pig says:


    The difference between dead money and the other cap hits is that dead money is not on your roster, it’s just throwing away cap space

    If you reduce a cap hit half or some other amount, it’s not equal to the cap savings IMO bc you get nothing in return as opposed to cap space on the roster where you get the actual player who is taking up the space

    I think one of the worst most wasteful things out team has done over the last few years is the willingness to accept dead cap money

    Look at how high we’ve been he last few years


    Dead cap money is not money saved, it’s cap space lost
    We always can be spending near the max of our cap space
    But when you start factoring in the money we can’t spend bc it’s dead cap cap space, it really starts to deplete our roster

    I would like to see our team get away from this
    You can’t complete eliminate it – but you can cut it down

    Taking a cap hit for a backup QB isn’t such a bad thing if your starter is on rookie salary

    But here’s no value in taking a cap hit for a QB that’s not on your roster

    As we think about whether we should re-sign James or sign Flowers, we would probably we would probably be able to do both of it weren’t for dead cap money

    • Tim Knight says:

      That’s how I view it. However we should get most of that dead cap back in 2020. I think part of the rebuilding is to release contracts the FO does not like, get younger and begin to get the cap in shape for the future.

      • Mike E. says:

        Suh is a big part of our dead cap space. If we cut or trade Tannehill. he will also be a big part.

      • D says:

        Dead cap is not money saved, but the total cap effect on this year is we SAVE 13mil by cutting Tanny, even as a pre-june 1st. As a post June first we defer about 5mil of it to next year BUT we SAVE 18mil. Dead cap means one thing, you cant take him completely off the books, you can ony take part of him off the books. Any move you make, ie adding a new QB that cost 5mil this next year, actually cost 18mil because you are looking at the 13mil from Tanny plus the amount for the new guy. Still when you do that its 13 + 5 = 18, which by my math is still lower than 26.6

    • D says:

      But no, thats not correct. If we cut Tanny we have 13mil MORE to sign flowers or resign James, thats the proper way to look at it.

      • Mike E. says:

        Right, we have about $13.2M to spend, we don’t get the entire $26M. It’s still a fair amount of savings, despite the dead cap hit. Nothing we can do about the dead cap anyway

  75. D says:

    Arizona has too many pluses on their side of the negotiations. They are in a buyers market, many teams did their homework on Rosen before, and they likely didnt see last year as his fault with the shit show that everything else was there. Again, they will look at the tape and see what they think of him and develop their barganing around that. Once the demand is set then the pieces will fall into place, and amendments made to find the right match. Still i think you are overlooking a lot of factors that gives Arizona the upper hand in those negotiations.

  76. pheloniusphish says:

    D – I would throw RT in with a 3rd if that closed the deal. First I would offer RT and a 3rd for Rosen and a 5th.

    • D says:

      Maybe a 7th, i just dont see getting anything back in that deal. If we did it would just be a round out the pennies of that transaction.

  77. D says:

    Dead cap is a casualty of contract terminations. Its unavoidable, you just have to make sure you dont box yourself in by spreading it out. You will carry dead cap hits year to year, its going to happen but managing them so that you dont get peaks of them at the same time is important. Still thats not what ya look at when you determine if a player is cut or not, you look at what you are getting back when you make the cut. The dead cap is managed outside those decisions.

  78. D says:

    I really dont know what i can say to make it more make sense….

    either he costs us 13mil in cap space and we get 13mil back to use as needed, or we lose all 26.6 and have a QB who isnt in our future, who isnt there to help us win now, etc. So why lost 26.6 on a guy who isnt your franchise QB when you can use that 13 to resign a OT that maybe is, or to get a DE in FA that might be a piece to build around.

    Somewhere people got it in their mind that Tanny is affordable, and that his contract isnt that bad. Thats just crazy talk, go look at that shit, all these other high priced QB’s who actually justify the money spent on them have contracts that are pale compared to his. Only a couple of guys who have only had a year to show that they were worth the money that they are paid are at higher levels, so they might have made the same mistake we did giving a middling talent player big money, and they probably have to make a similar decision at some point.

    • Tim Knight says:

      D, I get that we also get cap savings with these releases, but dead cap means money on the books that you can’t spend for a player because of a player who is no longer on the team. We’ll have a lot of dead cap this year especially with Suh and Tannehill and then some from a few others. But in 2020 much if not all will come off the books.

      • D says:

        But ya cant spend it tied up in a contract either. Literally, with Tanny still here, we cant use any of his 26.6, but if he is cut we can use half of it, how is that now super crystal clear?

      • Tim Knight says:

        Agreed. All this dead cap were from the contracts as we tried to win now. Now Grier needs to start the cleansing for the future.

  79. D says:

    Pre June 1st look. 13.4 in dead cap, counting 13.4 against this years cap. We save 13.2 this year. and he doesnt carry over to next years dead cap, and threfore costs nothing next year. Call this one rip the band-aid. Total cost 13.4 cap.

    Post June 1st look: 8mil this year in dad cap, counting 8 against the cap this year. We save 18.6 mil against the cap this year but he still costs us 5.4 mil against the cap next year. Call this slow pull the band-aid. Total cost 13.4 cap.

    Keep him and cut him next year look. He costs us 26.6 against the cap this year, and he costs us 5.4 next year when cut. No savings until 2020, and he costs us a total of 32mil total in cap over the two years.

    just saying.

  80. mf13ss says:

    I don’t know what some of y’all see in Josh Rosen. Just watched his so-called “highlights” as a Cardinal, and I’m not impressed in the least. Too many 50-50 balls, too many ducks, and too many risky/lucky throws caught by the immortal Larry Fitzgerald.

    Mind you that most of these throws came from a clean pocket, which is why they resulted in a positive play: it’s not as though he was Tannehill, throwing while having several guys in his face for a completion.

    Then ya go to the stat sheet to find Rosen was horrible as a rook. No, he obviously hasn’t reached his ceiling… which I believe is Ryan Tannehill… who isn’t good enough in this league. I see so many similarities between Rosen and Tannehill, some of which are very good traits: has a gun, can scramble, can run, takes hits and keeps on ticking, and a relentless competitor.

    However, I see many of the same faults in Rosen that I see in Tannehill: locks onto 1 receiver too often, telegraphs his passes, rarely hits his receiver IN-STRIDE (y’all should know by now that’s been my #1 complaint about Tanny since ’12!), and doesn’t have the ability to put a team on his shoulders.

    In short, no way am I trading a day 2 pick for Rosen if I’m your GM. Maybe a 4th rounder, but the Cards won’t do it with what it cost them to land Rosen to begin with.

    The idea is to upgrade from Tannehill, and IMO, Rosen is Tannehill 2.0 once he hits his ceiling.

    • stangerx says:

      Could they have got the draft on him that bad? Might be chasing a Ryan Leaf, but its been less than a year.

      • mf13ss says:

        My opinion is only my opinion, and I’ve been wrong many times before. The QB position is the most difficult one to evaluate and is also the most important position in sports. We’ll see what happens…

      • stangerx says:

        M13 and your opinion is much more informed than mine when comes to guys not on our roster. But that rookie contract sure does sound good. And am sure he got a bonus that the Cards would eat on the cap.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Whatever the new regime decides to do at QB this year I’ll just roll with it as a fan because they did their due diligence on what they’re looking for. I don’t think the Rosen trade discussions to Miami is coming from anywhere but speculation from media types and fans. None of the rumors have come from the Dolphins as a real possibility. Meaning there is no real buzz about it.

  81. stangerx says:

    Didn’t watch him play a snap other than in highlights, but yeah Rosen for a 2nd or 3rd interests me. Most of that is his rookie contract and that we need a QB. Whatever physical skills that got him picked are still there and that low contract means we can bring in someone else…. via draft, FA, or even Tanny on a redo.

    Maybe some of you guys know more — was he that bad?

  82. Mike E. says:

    If we remove Tannehill from the picture, Rosen is an upgrade over what we currently have at QB, Rudock and Falk. Our depth is better, and at worst, Rosen is a decent backup QB. Would I trade a 3rd for a decent backup? Nope. If we’re trading a 3rd, we probably think he can be a decent starter at worst.

  83. Tim Knight says:

    Josh Rosen’s entire rookie contract is guaranteed – $17,597,756. Not saying that’s horrible or anything just putting it out there.

    • stangerx says:

      And he got $10 million of that in signing bonus, which the Cards would eat. Makes him a real cheap QB.

  84. mf13ss says:

    read carefully; it’s not a trick

    The year was 2012… many felt that the QBs who entered the Draft that year would rival the magical QB year of 1983.

    Question: how many QBs from the year 2012 have reached an NFL Conference Championship game as a starter?

    • mf13ss says:

      And what are their names, of course?!!

      • Mike E. says:

        I think just Russell Wilson, but I could be wrong

      • mf13ss says:

        Russell Wilson is a correct answer!

        So we’ve got Russell Wilson and Nick Foles… there’s more (as in PLURAL).

      • Tim Knight says:

        Two but I’ll keep the names off for others to play. Obviously I have the names if I think it’s two. 😉

    • mf13ss says:

      I’ll give y’all one, in case anybody misunderstood the starter part (whether it be full-time starter from game 1, or just starting a Championship Game)…

      Nick Foles, Philadelphia Eagles

  85. mf13ss says:

    Nick Foles- Philadelphia Eagles- M13
    Russell Wilson- Seattle Seahawks- Mike E

    There’s more!

  86. mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    March 5, 2019 at 1:06 pm
    Two but I’ll keep the names off for others to play. Obviously I have the names if I think it’s two. 😉
    There are 4 in total, man! Here’s another hint: I intentionally went out of my way to not say DRAFTED QBs! 😉

  87. mf13ss says:

    I should let this play out longer, but I’ve gotta step away for a bit soon.

    Another hint: one of them has already been inducted into the NFL HOF, LOL. 😉

  88. mf13ss says:

    Nick Foles- Philadelphia Eagles
    Russell Wilson- Seattle Seahawks
    Andrew Luck- Indianapolis Colts

    The 4th guy? Yup, he was an UDFA and I’m his “agent”, LOL 😉

  89. mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    March 5, 2019 at 1:22 pm
    My bad, I read it wrong – read it as NFC Championship game.
    So it’s Luck, Wilson, Foles and Keenum.

    2012 really wasn’t a bad year for QBs! It’s just that all the QBs who we thought would be great (but for Luck) didn’t pan out like we thought they would.

  90. D says:

    mf13ss says:
    March 5, 2019 at 12:23 pm

    I don’t know what some of y’all see in Josh Rosen. Just watched his so-called “highlights” as a Cardinal, and I’m not impressed in the least. Too many 50-50 balls, too many ducks, and too many risky/lucky throws caught by the immortal Larry Fitzgerald.

    Mind you that most of these throws came from a clean pocket, which is why they resulted in a positive play: it’s not as though he was Tannehill, throwing while having several guys in his face for a completion.

    Then ya go to the stat sheet to find Rosen was horrible as a rook. No, he obviously hasn’t reached his ceiling… which I believe is Ryan Tannehill… who isn’t good enough in this league. I see so many similarities between Rosen and Tannehill, some of which are very good traits: has a gun, can scramble, can run, takes hits and keeps on ticking, and a relentless competitor.

    However, I see many of the same faults in Rosen that I see in Tannehill: locks onto 1 receiver too often, telegraphs his passes, rarely hits his receiver IN-STRIDE (y’all should know by now that’s been my #1 complaint about Tanny since ’12!), and doesn’t have the ability to put a team on his shoulders.

    In short, no way am I trading a day 2 pick for Rosen if I’m your GM. Maybe a 4th rounder, but the Cards won’t do it with what it cost them to land Rosen to begin with.

    The idea is to upgrade from Tannehill, and IMO, Rosen is Tannehill 2.0 once he hits his ceiling.
    M13, these are all good points and i appreciate your insight, but let me offer this as to why i dont see it as a bad idea.

    First i agree, he had some nice passes and some back ones, he was a 50/50 QB, but so are most rookies. Even some of the legendary ones like Elway were, hell Elway was horrible his first year. I just dont think that we have seen the best Rosen can do, in what was some bad circumstances. We didnt see him elevate his team, but it would have been a hard thing to do for a veteran QB to do much less a rookie.

    You are also right, its hard right now not to see Rosen’s ceiling as anything better than Tanny, but what i will say is we have seen it pan out with Tanny, and obviously there is road to go with Rosen. As a day 2 pick even, he isnt selling the franchise and its a easy next year fix. We dont have what we though we might trading for Rosen and you draft Tua or Hebert, or whomever next year or the next. 5 fully guaranteed year for us to find our guy and we dont have to gamble this year if we dont want to if we pick up Rosen.

    To me the idea is to upgrade from Tannehill, but i dont know if thats what Rosen represents or that he doesnt, i think its taking the chance because its a better option than doing nothing, and its probably a better option than we would get in the 3rd round of this upcoming draft. The FO guys will know if they feel thats true, but i admit i could see the benefit of making that move.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Need to know what Grier, Allen and McKenzie thought of Rosen coming out and at this time. Also what Flores, Caldwell, O’Shea and even the QBs coach think about him.

      • mf13ss says:

        This is true. We’re really in a “wait and see” mode right now as fans, being we haven’t the foggiest of the tendencies of our new ‘team’.

    • mf13ss says:

      Well stated, D… and I appreciate your insight as well, Bro.

      You might be able to sell me on Rosen after all. 🙂

  91. D says:

    Oh not reached a playoff game as a starter. A championship game.

    • D says:

      In fact only Tanny, Ryan Finley (who was never a starter), Brock Awesomwiler, amd Grandpa Weeden never made the playoffs as a starter. Weeden and Brock both made it as backups, in the years they were starters for a period of time though.

  92. Tim Knight says:

    M13, the only thing we can go by when it comes to players with this new regime is their mantra – selfless/team first, smart and tough. For QBs leadership and accuracy is paramount.

    • mf13ss says:

      I agree, but by the same token, shouldn’t leadership and accuracy be paramount in any decision for any team when it comes to QBs? I mean, if a QB can’t get those two boxes checked off, he lacks what it takes to make it in this league.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Yes but that’s what O’Shea said every time he was asked what he looks for in a QB. He said a big arm is great but without accuracy it doesn’t mean much. He said other intangibles like mobility is good too, but without the first two that doesn’t mean much either.

  93. mf13ss says:

    Trivia II

    Of the 2012 QBs, only two possess a Super Bowl ring. Mind you, everybody who is on a Super Bowl roster gets a ring. Who are they?

  94. mf13ss says:

    So after the two trivia questions I posted today (and D beat me at my own game on Trivia II!), it’s clear to see that 2012 was a very good class of QBs.

    I do NOT feel the same way about this QB class. Buyer beware.

    • mf13ss says:

      For those who recall, I was VERY, VERY HIGH on both Case Keenum and Russell Wilson. I’m sorry, but I don’t see any Keenum’s or Wilson’s in this class.

      Closest thing to them (in terms of an underdog) is Tyree Jackson… and he’s not even close to either Case or Russell.

      • D says:

        I watched Wlson at Senior Bowl and knew he was a player who would be good, but i aalso knew he wasnt going to get a first round grade because of his height. I considered him as a selection for us but i was almost certain we would take Tanny given who our OC was at the time. My backup to taking Tanny though was Cousins, and i had expected Cousins to be drafted before Wilson.

    • D says:

      I dunno, i think if ya look at it, i didnt feel great about the QB class of 2012, and they turned out pretty ok. Not the 83 class by any stretch, but good. 2016 has been pretty good and it wasnt seen as that great when they were being select. I remember plenty of people saying both Goff and Wentz were overrated. One has a ring and has been to the playoffs 2 of his first 3 years. The other has too and one Superbowl. Dak Prescott was part of that class too and he has been to the playoffs 3 of the 3. No one thought much about the 2017 class either and there are 3 of them that have been to the playoffs now, one was a tiny step from a Superbowl.

  95. mf13ss says:

    I’d have ZERO problems with this, as far as us landing Jonah Williams!
    HELL YEAH!!!

    • Tim Knight says:

      Same here. Williams could become a pro bowl guard but also has extensive experience at tackle on both sides. He makes the OL better right away. We’re starting this rebuild
      with the trenches so no problem with OL at #13. But I think I’d select Ed Oliver or Clelin Ferrell before Williams. But still wouldn’t have a problem with Williams if that’s the direction they go in. Rookie OL need some time to develop most of the time and by the time we’re ready to contend he’ll likely be a stud and we’ll be happy we have him.

    • mf13ss says:

      And as I’ve been saying since before the Combine, Rashan Gary’s performance will be interesting. He killed it, thus making him a top-10 pick according to Jeremiah… and that knocks Jonah Williams down to us.

      • mf13ss says:

        I’m none too fond of Gary’s tape. Again, he doesn’t do anything well.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Big, strong and fast but needs to polish his game. He’s more of a rotation DL early with pro bowl upside.

  96. Mike E. says:

    You guys are taking Williams if we don’t re-sign James, right?

    • mf13ss says:

      Negative! He’d be a starting Guard for us, even if we re-sign James. And if we let James walk, he becomes our instant RT.

    • D says:

      OL wouldn’t even be in my first round picture if it didnt mean we lost out on resigning James, outside of maybe Juwann Taylor who looks the part of a very elite OT.

  97. D says:

    I think Rashan Gary falls into the category of he drew attention and made teams scheme for him. Its like come of the better CB’s, the years they were drafted, the other NCAA’s teams just threw away from their side. Statistically they looked to have off years because they got no opportunities to get PD’s and INT’s but they affected every play because they took away their offensive threats. Gary i think qualifies as one of those players that didnt show up because they neutralize him by putting two on him and chipping him every play etc.

  98. Tim Knight says:

    It’s crazy that Iowa has two potential 1st rd TEs in this draft.

  99. mf13ss says:

    My preference is EDGE @ R1P13 (unless Dwayne Haskins falls to us), but I’d be absolutely thrilled with Jonah Williams.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I generally agree
      But here are a few DL I include in there with edge
      I would not be thrilled if parting ways with James lead to us having to take an OT at 13

  100. D says:

    Charli at Walterfootball has us taking:
    Montez Sweat
    Ryan Finley
    Benny Snell
    Olisaemeka Udoh

    Which thats not a horrible draft, but Finley is so bleh to me as a QB prospect and i would have rather had an OT for the 3rd pick and a RB for the 4th if we even drafted a RB at all.

    • Tim Knight says:

      We should only draft a QB the first two days if we believe they have starter ability with upside. Otherwise wait on that and draft one late hoping for diamond in the rough and maybe even a UDFA to compete as well.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I don’t think Finley will be a 2nd rounder

      I kind of like him bc he is “bleh”
      Boring but maybe a solid backup

  101. mf13ss says:

  102. Mike E. says:

    M – I think we need a DE or a DT more than the OL if we re-sign James. That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t love to have 3 very good OL, I would. Holey Offensive Line Batman! We still have 2 holes even with Tunsil,James and Williams

    • mf13ss says:

      YUP! I’m with ya, dude!

    • Mike E. says:

      In theory, and I say that because we’ve such trouble filling the interior of our line properly, but in theory we should be able to get interior linemen later than the 1st RD.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Good chance we roll with C Kilgore at $2.4M as we develop a younger center. Davis may be serviceable at RG again as we build the OL over a couple of years. Not sure what the new regime thinks of Davis though. One thing about him even though he was up and down is he was very durable playing every snap.

  103. mf13ss says:

    • Tim Knight says:

      I don’t think bringing him in makes much sense. He hasn’t been very productive in recent years and he’s 29. The only reason I could see it is if he’s on the cheap and can help show how it’s done within the new offense, blocking, routes etc. But even that seems like a stretch. Develop our young TEs.

  104. Mike E. says:

    Tim – That makes sense. Of course Kilgore has to make to through the whole season, and the same for everyone else.

  105. Tim Knight says:

    It doesn’t really matter to me who we draft and when in this draft because it’s part of a long-term plan, not what holes we still have in 2019. We’re going to follow our board which is what we should do.

  106. To clarify my position on Rosen I just want to say this. If we have to trade up to get a qb this year we’d need to give up a lot more than our #13. Some people are saying he’d only fetch a 3rd but I don’t think that’s going to be the case.

    But, the ultimate would be for us to be able to get our franchise qb and then still have our full compliment of picks this year. So, if we were able to trade a pick from next yr’s draft, even if it was our first rd pick, in order to beat out the next best offer I’d be all for it.

    What a great scenario that would be. Get your franchise qb and then be able to pick your full allotment in the draft. So, we could end up possible with a DT or DE in the first like Wilkins, Oliver, Lawrence, etc and then come back in the 2nd and get maybe a C in Jenkins or McCoy, take a DE like Jackson in the 3rd and another one like Banogu in the 4th. We’d be well on our way to our rebuild and qb would no longer be this huge need.

    We’re not tanking so we’d still need to trade more draft assets in 2020 or 2021 to move up. With this move we’ve already got our guy plus more players to help. I’d be all for it.

    • stangerx says:

      Future 1st would be like our 2nd. Doubting we give away future top picks but we could. Not sure at that price can count on Rosen as a franchise QB though….. but could be. Like the thought of bringing him in unless he really is a broken toy.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Stanger, I don’t think Rosen is broken. It’s what our brass thinks of him long-term.

      • stangerx says:

        Where he was drafted and his contract is what gets me interested. But obviously seems the Cards have decided he is no their QB of the future, and that came pretty quick. I’d still throw a 2nd his way and have a back-up plan.

      • Stanger,
        It could be the new HC wants HIS guy. We’ve talked about that before where HC’s want their own qb and will draft one rather than be saddled with someone else’s choice.

    • Tim Knight says:

      It’s an option for sure but it really depends on what the new regime thinks of Rosen. I don’t see us as needing any one player in this draft. We need to hit on who we do draft to get the program going with the right players. But where this team is at no one player is going to define our future unless it’s a QB. I’m not sure we’re going to trade for anyone though, but will look to trade some of our players for picks.

      • It’s true that my point is moot unless this regime likes him. I’m still not necessarily buying we didn’t like him last year. I think we were skunked by ARI on it. Had they not moved up I’d tend to believe he would have been in a Miami uni last yr.

        But, that’s all speculation. My main point is if we do like him enough to think he could be our qb of the future and only need to give up just one pick to get him then why not take the shot and get our guy and then build around him with the picks we have this year. If we could trade a future pick it would be better but if we need to trade a pick from this year then so be it.

        There’s a lot of people who don’t want him but I guarantee that if the Pats were willing to give up a pick to get him as Brady’s successor there would be a lot of pissed off people.

  107. mf13ss says:

  108. stangerx says:

    Probably doesn’t fit with rebuilding but Ziggy Ansah is a FA and only 29. And we do need help on the DL.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Yeah I saw that but he’ll have multiple bidders. A team trying to get over the top makes the most sense. Does he want to play for a team starting over at this stage in his career and the only way we win him over is probably because we paid him the most. That’s not what we should be doing. Flowers makes the most sense because of familiarity with the coaches, he’s already won championships and is looking for his payday but can also be around with us 5 years from now at only 30 years old.

      • stangerx says:

        Doubt we get him, but man did I always want him for us. And save money for the future seems the smart way to go now.

  109. Tim Knight says:

    Brett Favre was traded in his 2nd season after being selected in the 2nd rd by ATL because Jerry Glanville hated the pick but was overruled by the GM. Wolf offered a 1st rd pick for Favre so I guess the ATL GM changed his mind and coveted the value. The rest is history. LOL

    • Tim Knight says:

      It’s a very small body of work but in Favre’s 5 drop backs his rookie season with ATL, he completed 0 passes, threw 2 picks and was sacked. LOL

  110. pheloniusphish says:

    You guys don’t know shit. Obviously Miami needs an elite OL and QB to compete.

    • D says:

      I would like to have an elite DE, DL, TE, RB, S, CB and LB too while we are at it, and i would like to get all those players without taking any FA’s, cutting any players and in this one draft next year. Also if we cant win a Superbowl in Flores first year then flush this shit and start over.

  111. well, looks like Giants and Redskins are on the Rosen train. If Giants land him then maybe we’ve got a shot at Haskins at #13.

  112. D says:

    mf13ss says:
    March 5, 2019 at 2:54 pm

    On Dolphins reported interest in TE Dwayne Allen…Dolphins have Mike Gesicki, Durham Smythe and Nick O’Leary signed and teams don’t need four TEs on the roster. So somebody should be wondering what team REALLY thinks of them.

    Believe what they do, not what they say.

    — Armando Salguero (@ArmandoSalguero) March 5, 2019
    Plenty of teams will carry 4 TE’s at least at the beginning of the season. Not that i think we need him but thats not crazy and its not telling anyone anything.

  113. mf13ss says:

    • D says:

      I tell ya CJ Mosely is a tempting grab to me. Usually LB’s outside of the 3-4 OLB variety are not expensive in FA. Trey Flowers i have already spoken on. Those are the only two above i would try to make winning offers to in upcoming FA.

  114. D says:

    stangerx says:
    March 5, 2019 at 3:59 pm

    Doubt we get him, but man did I always want him for us. And save money for the future seems the smart way to go now.
    I remember that draft year so well and not because of the clusterfuck that DionFF turned out to be, but because when i saw us trade up (and it was still a good trade value wise no matter how it turned out) i thought for sure it was for Ziggy. The ship unfortunately has sailed for me and at this point i dont want us to invest what we would to get him. Flowers is going to be cheaper and a better fit. If i offered a DE this year its Flowers.

    • Tim Knight says:

      D, the thing with Flowers for us is the coaches know him as good as anyone – his strengths, weaknesses and what his value is.

  115. mf13ss says:

    Can anyone give me an example in recent history (we’ll say… since 2010) of a QB who failed so miserably in his rookie season (see Josh Rosen), so as to become ‘something’ of a QB?

    Yeah, we can site Peyton Manning before the turn of the millennium, before Roger Goodell destroyed the NFL product. I’m talking about this decade in Goodell’s new league.

  116. mf13ss says:

    Guys, as GM, I could turn this franchise into a playoff contender RIGHT NOW. Problem is, we’re supposedly “re-setting”. Thus, why would we even sniff a decent FA, I ask?

    And that is why I have ZERO idea of our direction right now.

    • mf13ss says:

      WHY would we sign CJ Mosely, for example? If we’re not competing for NOW, why would we do that? Do y’all understand what I’m sayin’???

    • D says:

      As a person to build a defense around. Young talented player on the ascension, QB of the defense. Some picks make sense, Flowers is another one.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I agree if these players are part of the future it doesn’t matter to me how we obtain them. The idea is to add good players, it doesn’t have to be only cheap or through the draft.

  117. D says:

    I think Fowler Jr might be an option for us as a pass rusher too. He shouldnt be too expensive and still a ton of upside with him.

  118. Mike E. says:

    M – I say the same thing about Wake, so . . .

    • mf13ss says:

      RIGHT! I truly have no sense of direction with this new ‘team’ (I can’t stand the term ‘regime’… it has a very negative connotation to it). I mean, anything could happen!

      STILL… I get the sense that MR. Wake will be back, due to his leadership and productivity. Methinks he’ll even sign on the cheap, being he’s a LOYAL SOULJAH to our franchise.

  119. mf13ss says:

  120. The Flying Pig says:

    Does Patrick Mahomes count M13
    He played one game as a rookie and threw 1 into and no TDS

    I’m counting him.

    Matt Stafford too. Wasn’t he injured his whole rookie year

    Jimmy Garapolo wasn’t even good enough to get one start as a rookie…lol

    • mf13ss says:

      LOL, yes, there are many examples out there that don’t quantify into what I’m saying.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        To be fair

        The % of QBs who are drafted and successful in the nfl isn’t very high to begin with

        So the threshold is pretty high to begin with

      • Tim Knight says:

        Piggy, that’s how I answered M13 but he was asking who was really bad and then very good. It happens but probably not very high either.

  121. D says:

    There is a difference from busting a nut in FA and picking up one or even two guys that are young enough to build around. Of course we dont wanna burn all our money on an older high priced player but whats the point of clearing cap space not to use it to grab players that help you get things going in your direction.

  122. mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    March 5, 2019 at 4:30 pm
    Oy! No I didn’t smoke a joint today but I might as well have. I understood what you were asking and answered you with the complete opposite answer of plenty of other 1st rd QBs who were busts early on. So I will refrain from anymore of your trivia or questions today because obviously I’m not comprehending well today. LOL
    LMAO! All good, my man!

  123. Tim Knight says:

    If this is the case we probably don’t go there. That’s an Olivier Vernon contract.

    • D says:

      Yeah i agree. If it was int he neighborhood of 10-12 id probably consider it.

    • D says:

      To me thats pretty high for him an i dont mean just what id pay, just in general. Thats pure pass rusher money, and unfortunately for him he’s a well rounded hybrid DT who is best a stopping the run. The money he is looking for doesnt match his skill-set.

      • Tim Knight says:

        He played DE, OLB and DT in their schemes. But I agree he’s not a change the game defender. He’s a top level do your job guy. 5 years $60M is probably a better number, not $85M. I know it’s about guaranteed money but the bigger the number the more guaranteed.

    • stangerx says:

      No $17 mil per year FAs for us….. unless a QB, and doesn’t seem like any one worth that is out there.

  124. mf13ss says:

    Bucky, Bucky, Bucky… *sigh*

    It’s alright to disagree, Bucky, but I don’t want to hear the words “problematic” as it concerns what you are REALLY invested in… and we all know what that is…

    • mf13ss says:

      Nevermind… this got lost in interpretation by many others. Forget this post of mine.

    • D says:

      I thought you were playing off something from Cptn America speaking to Bucky Barnes aka Winter Soldier though i wasnt sure what the parallel was.

  125. D says:

    Yes Piggy, just confirmed that Fowler Jr is a FA this year.

  126. Tim Knight says:

    Major red flags on Murray. Heard Mike Francesa just addressing what Casserly said and what Albert Breer said earlier on his show. That is ARZ doesn’t take Murray at #1, he could drop past 15. They discussed there are teams who will not take a 5-10 QB. But Murray failing leadership, study habits and on the board with plays is not good stuff for a top QB in the draft never mind #1. His fate might rely on Kliff Kingsbury being all in on him. Is it real?

    • Mike E. says:

      He’s going to bet his career on him if they do take him #1. He’ll have to vouch for him, that he can make him work there.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Or he’s doing that to get a another team high on him to trade up, get other picks, still draft early and roll with Rosen?

        If those results from Casserly are pretty universal, he doesn’t fit what Flores and O’Shea have said about what they look for in players and at QB.

      • Mike E. says:

        If that’s true there won’t be any other teams interested in not only taking him at number 1, but trading more picks to get there. He may not even go in RD 1 period

    • D says:

      What i heard with Murray was the big deal was that his attitude, came off as egotistical not just confident. They expected him to really ace the interviews but he did not.

  127. Tim Knight says:

    Mike, I agree Murray could slide out of the 1st but something tells me a team might take a shot late in the 1st because he fell.

    LMAO!!!! A dude who just called the radio wished Mike Francesa a Happy Valentine’s Day and Mike replied; Happy Valentine’s Day? Then the guy went onto be serious about the NFL trade value chart. LMAO!!! Still laughing…

  128. mf13ss says:

  129. stangerx says:

    Tim Knight says:
    Major red flags on Murray. Heard Mike Francesa just addressing what Casserly said and what Albert Breer said earlier on his show. That is ARZ doesn’t take Murray at #1, he could drop past 15.
    Almost makes you think the combine is over and the smoke and mirrors time before the draft has begun. If not #1 then might be #15? Doubt he’d make it past #13 at least.

    • D says:

      D says:
      March 5, 2019 at 5:53 pm

      What i heard with Murray was the big deal was that his attitude, came off as egotistical not just confident. They expected him to really ace the interviews but he did not.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Not if those reports are accurate. We wouldn’t take him off that.

      • stangerx says:

        If not #1 then drop past #15 just made no sense to me no matter what happened in the interviews. Know for a fact it is smoke and mirrors time….. including for the teams that interviewed him and are hoping he drops.

      • D says:

        It is smoke and mirror time, but what i hear was he rubbed some of the GM’s wrong because he was overly egotistical with his answers. Most those guy wanna hear confidence in yourself but if its laid on to thick they think either you are faking it or you are egotistical and not grounded/team player. I heard he just gave them the wrong vibe, not that he had an incident or something like that come out.

  130. D says:

    If i were a GM my scouts would get me to my short list of players and their interviews would close the deal. 40 times, etc, sure id take all that into consideration but if that player wow’d me in the interview that would stick with me more the day im calling out a name for my selection than anything that happened at combine. Literally, Murray would at very least lose a couple of rounds as far as my grade on him, if not be pulled off my board completely if he flunked the interview. Same with any of the rest. I will say i have not seen any interview with Haskins, but i have both Jones and Lock and both of them come off very well to me. Haskins strikes me as a guy who would interview well but i dunno.

  131. Mike E. says:

    LOL D – Good point

  132. naplesfan2010 says:

    I read not just Murray’s vibe was bad, but his answers were wrong.
    Meaning “what do you run when …?”
    he got it wrong.
    “What’s the protection when …?”
    He got it wrong.
    What does the (TE RB Slot) do when you call a ___________ ?
    He got it wrong.

    Plus he came off smug and smirked a lot.
    Plus he did not seem like he will be a film rat.
    Plus he seems like he is a diva.
    Plus he seems like he thinks his daddy will manage the NFL GMs into obedience.
    Wrong, Wrong, Wrong. WRONG!

    Plus he put on so much bad weight, so he would seem bigger, that at the combine he was embarrassed to be seen with his shirt off and was scared to be seen running slack drills.

    What kind of competitor at QB doesn’t throw? Isn’t that his life? Should be. He should be a pit bull.

  133. pheloniusphish says:

    But, but, but….Murray is an elite talent! Sure fired Hall of Fame! Him and an Elite OL and Miami would be winning back to back Championships for decades!

  134. pheloniusphish says:

    My prediction is Murray goes back to the A’s.

  135. Tim Knight says:

    It’s not smoke and mirrors with Murray. Smoke and Mirrors is when teams act like they love a player to conjure up interest. Not reports that a player did poorly in interviews. That’s a report on what happened. We all saw his horrible interview with Dan Patrick. Maybe that’s who he is. He did poorly from a leadership standpoint, study habits and on the board breaking down plays. Not just being egotistical. Nonchalant was more like it. Teams want QBs who are all in 24/7, not I just do my thing. That’s not leadership. That’s what Casserly’s report is about.

    If I’m a GM and that’s who he is, he’s not on my board in the 1st or probably 2nd. Maybe I take a swing in the 3rd and regret it later, but I take a shot just incase he changes his ways and is that good. I’d also lean on the coaching staff if they want him on the team at all.

    • stangerx says:

      Tim — you clearly have a better feel for what is going on with Murray than I do. Given that seems the drop will happen now, I’m still gonna hope we at least have the chance to consider him at #13. Given that he was pegged as #1…. must be some talent there.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Kliff Kingsbury amped up his buzz at #1 with ARZ. There’s your smoke and mirrors.

        Let’s look at Murray’s pros and cons from what we know.
        Good arm, displays accuracy, elite scrambler and runner – a playmaker.
        Short, smallish, one year starter in a college system, refused to workout at the combine in any drills, not just throwing, continues to remain a mystery, did poorly in interviews with important intangibles.

        Are you starting a rebuild with a guy like that who will grab all the attention everyday? Not me.

  136. naplesfan2010 says:

    My horror story is he drops to 13 and we take him, but i really think he is not the type guy Flores wants.
    Flores looks llike he would eat Murray like a $2 pastry.

  137. Mike E. says:

    Stanger – I think there are too many questions with Murray. You know it’s always more than talent. First he committed to the A’s in MLB. Then the wind blew and he decided he really wants football. He comes to the NFL combine out of shape and unprepared for interviews and doesn’t have a grasp of football concepts they put on a chalkboard for him to comment on, so he can’t do it. At this point, you’re wondering if training camp gets too hard, does he just pick up and leave and decide to play baseball like Phelon said before.

    • stangerx says:

      His stats at Oklahoma were incredible. So he’s least got that going for him. A reason he has been projected #1. But we’ll see how things are looking closer to the draft. Maybe we have no chance for him at all or maybe not worth our pick. Do know we need a QB though.

      • pheloniusphish says:

        He had one year of stats against inferior opponents. When he played Alabama, his stats sucked.

      • Tim Knight says:

        So were Tebow’s and he has a great work ethic. College stats don’t tell the whole story.

  138. Mike E. says:

    Stanger – He’s not the type of player you build around. Bad attitude is a huge red flag, maybe the biggest.

  139. mf13ss says:

    • Mike E. says:

      OR, the Cardinals were always taking Murray, and the interview didn’t mean a thing, and maybe the other interviews didn’t either, and that’s why he was so lazy and cocky.

  140. mf13ss says:

    Do I really need to post “Smoke Season” by Bad-N-Fluenz again? Seems so! RIP, Rappin’ Ron

    • mf13ss says:

      My Brother in Christ, Ant Diddley Dog from above, now goes by A Doulos. Man… he’s come a LONG way! God bless that man for coming up from the bad-azz streets of Oaktown and his sinful ways. 1-LUV!!!

      • mf13ss says:

        IMO, A. Doulos is one of the most gifted rappers of all-time. I felt that way when he was in “Bad-N-Fluenz” back in the early 90s (I bumped them HARD CORE back then), and still feel that way today.

      • mf13ss says:

        If this video in it’s story told doesn’t bring a happy tear to one’s eye, I don’t know what to tell ya.

    • Tim Knight says:

      See my 6:32 post. We hear bad reports like this all the time and watch them live up to it. Johnny Football!!! Reuben Foster.

  141. Tim Knight says:

    I think there is a chance Murray could physically survive in the NFL, but from where his head it at, I think it’s a big turnoff. Not at QB.

    Once again if these Casserly reports are more universal than not. Drew Brees was a cleaner prospect and he dropped to the first pick in the 2nd because of his size alone. Murray has many more red flags.

  142. Mike E. says:

    Or as George RR would say Tim, “Many and more” lol

  143. Tim Knight says:

    We may go into FA and the draft saying yes start in the trenches but let’s go OL more because it takes longer to get cohesive. As long as it’s a 50-50 between prospects on either side of the ball follow your approach and value. We can still upgrade defense along the way and we have some good young pieces to work with already. Right now Tunsil is the only core guy on the OL.

  144. One of the questions being asked around the Combine was, “if Rosen were to become available, who would be the team that would offer the most to get him?” and the answer waaaaasss………………………The Patriots

    • Mike E. says:

      Who asked the question, and who answered it?

    • Tim Knight says:

      Gotta have some source, man. They can afford it though because Brady keeps on ticking and if not they roll with Rosen. What do they have to lose, they don’t make it to or win another Super Bowl? LOL

      • I agree. They have thrown 1st rd picks out there for players who aren’t even with the team anymore and Rosen would be the perfect opportunity for them to get the guy who will replace Brady. Sooner or later, Brady isn’t going to be there and they’ll need someone and Rosen could sit for a year and then take over.

        I would have loved for us to get him but too many teams are showing interest now and the Pats have two 2nd’s. I could definitely see them outbidding everyone else if they wanted him.

  145. Rockphin says:

    March 5 Prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time, deadline for clubs to designate Franchise or Transition Players.
    March 11-13 Clubs are permitted to contact, and enter into contract negotiations with, the certified agents of players who will become Unrestricted Free Agents upon the expiration of their 2018 player contracts at 4:00 p.m., New York time, on March 13.
    March 13 Prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time, clubs must exercise options for 2019 on all players who have option clauses in their 2018 contracts.
    March 13 Prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time, clubs must submit qualifying offers to their Restricted Free Agents with expiring contracts to retain a Right of First Refusal/Compensation.
    March 13 Prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time, clubs must submit a minimum salary tender to retain exclusive negotiating rights to their players with expiring 2018 contracts who have fewer than three accrued seasons of free agency credit.
    March 13 Top 51 Rule begins. All clubs must be under the 2019 Salary Cap prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time.
    March 13 All 2018 player contracts will expire at 4:00 p.m., New York time.
    March 13 The 2019 league year and free agency period begin at 4:00 p.m., New York time.

    The first day of the 2019 league year will end at 11:59:59 p.m., New York time, on March 13. Clubs will receive a personnel notice that will include all transactions submitted to the league office during the period between 4:00 p.m., New York time, and 11:59:59 p.m., New York time, on March 13.
    March 13 Trading period for 2019 begins at 4:00 p.m., New York time, after expiration of all 2018 contracts.
    March 24-27 Annual League Meeting, Phoenix, Arizona.
    April 1 Clubs that hired a new head coach after the end of the 2018 regular season may begin offseason workout programs.
    April 15 Clubs with returning head coaches may begin offseason workout programs.
    April 19 Deadline for Restricted Free Agents to sign offer sheets.
    April 25-27 2019 NFL Draft, Nashville, Tennessee.

  146. olddolphan says:

    Lightning and the Winnipeg Jets are 1-1 at the first intermission in Amalie Arena. Bolts out shot the Jets 14-5 in the 1st period. Out hit them, too, in what has been a physical contest. Crowd really started to get into it as the hitting picked up late in the period. Tampa Bay will have a man advantage to start the 2nd period. I would NOT be surprised if this game went into OT like their first meeting a couple of months ago, which the Jets won in Winnipeg. Jets missing tough guy Byfuglian who is on the injury list.

    Time to drop the puck for the 2nd period. Y’all have a great evening!!

  147. Tim Knight says:

    Rock, you should have the mushroom cloud as your avi because that is what will happen here. LOL

  148. naplesfan2010 says:

    All of you are knowledgeable.
    All of you can name a dozen Heisman Trophy winners who busted out of the league, esp. QBs.
    The way the NCAA season and Big Five thing goes, the hype train can take a guy from phenom to the Heisman with no regard for translatable skills to the pro level.

  149. naplesfan2010 says:

    Frankly, I don’t want either Murray or Rosen.
    I’d rather have a blue collar guy who loves football like Ta’amu
    or (fill in your fave guy here __________).
    I think taking a guy from the mid rounds, say 3rd – 5th, is becoming more my plan, but I reserve the right to change my plan before April.

    I’d rather have Tyrod than Murray. At least he’ll fight for every inch.

  150. naplesfan2010 says:

    Jeez Rock
    Thanks (I think.) No really that is a cool calendar.
    I usually find that stuff out the day of.

  151. The initial thinking was Rosen wasn’t going to fetch anything more than a 3rd rd pick. Now there’s 3 teams who are reportedly interested in Rosen; Washington, NY Giants and the Patriots and some are saying they think the Pats would give up the most to get him.

    There’s no way he was every only going to warrant a 3rd rd pick. Wasn’t going to happen. Someone was going to pony up a 1st for him. If he’s truly available, that’s what ARI is getting for him.

  152. Rockphin says:

    stangerx says:
    March 5, 2019 at 12:27 pm

    Could they have got the draft on him that bad? Might be chasing a Ryan Leaf, but its been less than a year.

    Why not? 75% of first round picks in the last 10 years have been disappointments. (I.e. their teams had to find another guy)

  153. The Flying Pig says:

    What’s the biological phenomena called

    Where you have to go to the bathroom
    But have to hold it bc you aren’t near a bathroom
    But as you get closer to the bathroom
    Your body senses it
    And makes you have to go even more

    How does my body sense the toilet is near?

    Does anyone else lose sleep over this stuff?

    • olddolphan says:

      ACTUALLY, you only THINK your body senses a toilet.
      IN THE REAL WORLD, ANYTHING will suffice as a toilet for a pig.
      So don’t worry.
      WHAT you’re smelling probably has something to do with sex or food!

    • Rockphin says:

      yes, I know of this phenomena. It also causes your key to not fit in the lock.

  154. It’s interesting to hear that some teams weren’t thrilled with the attitudes of some of the higher projected players and think those players will end up dropping some because of their attitudes.

  155. Rockphin says:

    I preface this again by saying I know nothing of college players until after the Dolphins are mathematically eliminated each season, This whole Murray thing just smacks of Johnny football.

  156. Rockphin says:

    naplesfan2010 says:
    March 5, 2019 at 9:08 pm

    Jeez Rock
    Thanks (I think.) No really….

    Started today.

  157. Rockphin says:

    Tim Knight says:
    March 5, 2019 at 8:58 pm

    Rock, you should have the mushroom cloud….

    That was when I wanted it to be blown up. It has. Now I wear my freak out Avi for the over reaction to every move they make.

  158. olddolphan says:

    TIME FOR THE FAT LADY TO SING!! –Brayden Point of the Lightning notches his 37th goal of the season and Tampa Bay is trouncing the Jets 5-1 with about 9 minutes left to go. ANOTHER dominating performance by the best team in the NHL! – – GO BOLTS!!

  159. naplesfan2010 says:

    I don’t see any statement of rrelease of Branch.

  160. Let us keep our fingers crossed that, despite what happened with Murray in the interviews, ARI still takes him #1 overall.

  161. naplesfan2010 says:

    Casserly on Murray.
    “Well, he better hope Kingsbury takes him No. 1 because this was not good,” Casserly said. “This was the worst comments I ever got on a high-rated quarterback, and I’ve been doing this a long time. I’ve probably been doing it longer than you’re alive.

    “Anyway, leadership — not good. Study habits — not good. The board work — below not good. Not good at all in any of those areas and raising major concerns about what this guy is going to do. Now, people say, we’re going to compare him to [Patrick] Mahomes, we’re going to run an offense like Mahomes, we’re going to run an offense like Baker Mayfield. Well, you can’t. … Those guys are much different. Those guys, you never question about their ability on the board, you never question about their leadership ability, their work habits, they were outstanding in those areas. This guy is not outstanding in those areas. It showed up in the interview.”

  162. I don’t do those computer-driven mocks like others but how would you feel about this?:

    Rd 1 Dexter Lawrence, DT, Clemson
    Rd 2 Elgton Jenkins, C, Miss St
    Rd 3 Joe Jackson, DE, Miami
    Rd 4 Ben Banogu, DE, TCU
    Rd 5 Jordan Ta’amu, QB, Ole Miss
    Rd 6 Chris Peace, DE, UVA
    Rd 7 Olamide Zaccheaus, WR, UVA

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Probably could use an extra OL instead of all those DL

      I think Joe Jackson goes I the first half of the 2nd round

  163. Rockphin says:

    Tim Knight says:
    March 5, 2019 at 10:12 pm
    And we’ve made what… one, releasing Branch? LOL
    Log in to Reply

    They re-signed John Denney as their first move, dooming this regime before they started. 🥺

  164. Cody Thompson of Toledo remains one of my favorite wr’s in this year’s draft.

  165. pheloniusphish says:

    Sucks having so many FA Safeties on the market. Drives down the trade value for Jones.

  166. bookman11 says:

    Just get back to me when we have an elite QB and OL……should be easy enough, see everybody then! (Gosh I hope none of the other NFL teams are looking for the same thing!)

  167. There’s at least 9 wr’s I’d be happy with this year in the draft:

    Marquise Brown
    Deebo Samuel
    Paris Campbell
    Hakeem Butler
    DeMarkus Lodge
    Gary Jennings
    Diontae Johnson
    Cody Thompson
    Olamide Zaccheaus

  168. It is unbelievable how loaded this WR class is this year. It’s just loaded with talent.

  169. True or false. A future draft pick isn’t worth as much as a current year pick.

  170. Mike E. says:


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