Well, out with the old, in with the older. The Dolphins traded QB Ryan Tannehill to the Tennessee Titans and our 2019 6th RD (#188) pick as well as paying $5M of Ryan Tannehill’s $7M 2019 salary in exchange for the Titans 2019 7th RD pick (#234), and the biggest part of the trade, a 2020 4th RD pick. In addition to the Tannehill trade, the Dolphins signed veteran QB Ryan Fitzpatrick to a 2 year $11M deal, but with performance incentives met (they won’t!) could boost the deal to between $17-20M.
I remember driving home from work the night of the 2012 NFL Draft. It was Thursday April 26th, I worked until 9PM and I was racing home from work that night, desperately trying to make it home to watch us make our selection at #8. It didn’t happen. I was close, less than a half mile away when my cell phone rings (hands free for you law enforcement type) and it’s Walker on the other end. Walker says in his lovable southern drawl “Mike E, we got a QB!” I can actually feel the excitement still, the hope of a young QB, it brings so much promise. Unfortunately for both us and for Ryan, things never quite happened as they were supposed to, and the Tannehill era ended 3/15/19 with the trade to the Titans.
In 2016, Ryan Tannehill had his best stretch as a Miami Dolphin. After losing 4 of the first 5 games, at 104, Miami rode the J-Train (Jay Ajayi), and that threat of a legitimate run game opened up the offense, and the ball control rejuvenated the defense. The Dolphins went on to win 7 of the next 8 games with Ryan Tannehill until the fateful knee injury ended his season against the Arizona Cardinals. You know the rest, Matt Moore finished the season 2-1, beating the Jets and Bills, but losing the final game of the season to the Patriots. In the playoffs, we were no match for the Steelers as we were drubbed 30-12 in a non competitive game. Could Ryan Tannehill have done better? We’ll never know.
The Dolphins signing an older vet QB like Fitzpatrick means a couple of things. Fitz is not a long term answer so the Dolphins are still looking for young QB talent. S Minkah Fitzpatrick will have to put an “M.” before his shared last name of Fitzpatrick on his jersey for ’19. Fitzpatrick is a capable QB, but has been a rollercoaster the last couple of years. He started last season hot throwing 8 TD’s to 1 INT in his first 2 games for the Bucs. It all leveled out as Fitz finished the season throwing 17 TD’s and 12 INT’s after the 8:1 ratio in games 1 and 2. He’s really good and really bad. That’s how he’s been. He loves to sling it, and I’d be lying if I said that won’t be a welcome change to our controlled offense of throwing in a 5 yard radius 98% of the time with Tannehill and Gase.
I think the Dolphins will take a QB in this draft, but not necessarily in RD1, unless the right guy just happens to fall to us at #13. We won’t be trading up, which makes it difficult, but we just need to improve the young talent depth at QB. If we felt either Rudock or Falk were the real deal we probably don’t bother picking up Fitzpatrick. Whether Haskins, Lock or Jones are a guy we target, we’ll see in a few weeks. I’m excited that we’re on the right track, and each move we make cements it in that the rebuild is legitimate, and things will get better, but again, for the short term they just might get worse.
#staythecourse
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“The Dolphins traded QB Ryan Tannehill to the Tennessee Titans and our 2019 6th RD (#188) pick as well as paying $5M of Ryan Tannehill’s $7M 2019 salary in exchange for the Titans 2019 7th RD pick (#234)”
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i heard we also got a 4th from the titans???
Damn, I was trying so hard to get the full info on the other picks I left out the 4th! Thanks, I’ll fix it.
nice write-up Mike
Thanks Rob
Mcilroy wins the TPC @ sawgrass, great tourney,
Rahm was the leader at 54 holes, on 11 he had a difficult shot from a fway bunker 220 left that he had to bend around trees and carry water on a par 5, his caddie pleaded with him to lay up.
he disagreed and tried to make the green, in the water she went!
if he had only listened to his caddie, you could see his caddie shaking his head.,
Rahm, is a fantastic young player but his temper gets in his way.
D says:
March 18, 2019 at 10:04 am
At this point the only thing i really want to see is us add talent that helps us, without sacrificing other picks to do so. We need to get the best available and not look to trade up for anyone. If there is a QB they like at 13, great, take him, if not then either select someone else or if there is enough talent left, trade back if you have the opportunity to. Do that with all of our picks this year, and then next year hopefully we are in a better spot to consider a trade up for a player thats a must have, Im never a fan of trade up but sometimes you just have to to get your guy, i just hope they only do it from now on, IF its a cant miss guy in their opinion.
Donald Penn wouldnt be a bad pickup if he is affordable. He could fill the RT role and if something happened to Tunsil could fill in there.
“Le’Veon Bell confirms guaranteed money was issue with Steelers”
This is what i was saying about the deal that Bell signed with the Jets, even though it was actually monetarily lower in a APY way, the guarantees where what it wa all about.
We should kick the tires on Erick Flowers too, see if he wants to come home to Miami and compete at RT
Josh Kline as well, i mentioned him the other day but id like to see him brought in on a visit. If we dont sign some of these guys, i completely understand there was no match there, but id like for us to take looks at some of them.
Penn is 365 years old.
But so is your dick and you still love it right? JKBB, but seriously he is 36 this year but still played well last year. Thats why he will be a cheap add of someone that should be able to hold down the RT spot until we can get a guy to fill it that we actually sign for more than 1 year.
That’s 365 mm for my dick
These are the visits that Walterfootball lists us as having made with prospects.
Miami Dolphins
Ben Banogu, DE/3-4OLB/OLB, TCU (COM)
Nick Bosa, DE/3-4OLB, Ohio State (COM)
Jordan Brailford, DE, Oklahoma State (EW)
Blace Brown, CB, Troy (EW)
L.J. Collier, DE/3-4DE, TCU (COM)
Andre Dillard, OT, Washington State (SR)
Joe Dineen Jr., ILB, Kansas (EW)
Jalen Jelks, DE/3-4OLB/OLB, Oregon (SR)
Daniel Jones, QB, Duke (SR)
Tyree Kinnel, S, Michigan (EW)
Dexter Lawrence, DT/3-4DE/NT, Clemson (COM)
Byron Murphy, CB, Washington (COM)
Kyler Murray, QB, Oklahoma (WOR)
Ed Oliver, DT, Houston (COM)
Charles Omenihu, DE, Texas (COM)
Jachai Polite, DE/3-4OLB/OLB, Florida (COM)
Riley Ridley, WR, Georgia (COM)
Brett Rypien, QB, Boise State (EW)
Montez Sweat, DE/3-4OLB/OLB, Mississippi State (COM)
Sione Takitaki, OLB, Brigham Young (EW)
Jawaan Taylor, OT, Florida (COM)
Armon Watts, DE, Arkansas (EW)
Greedy Williams, CB, LSU (COM)
Of course this isnt a full list, i see some misses from this list myself and some people we have met with more than once, like Sweat who we also met with at Senior Bowl.
The list those does show that we look like we are scouting out DE/DT in the 1-3 round ranges, DE we brought in some later round ones too, so maybe they feel “Ok” at DE and are making sure they have a range of picks, or they plan on doubling up. DT they seem like they are interested in making it a priority.
They also look to be making DE/3-4 OLB a priority, several hybrid players from the first, and early second round listed there.
Looks like they have QB set as a priority too, with a backup plan to still select a player if they miss out, but they have visited pretty much with ever first round graded guy. They also have some 2nd round graded peeps and some day 3 peeps, so i think their plan is to get a guy they like in whatever round they feel is appropriate, without having to overdraft (by their standards) or trade up.
I think they have some interest in adding talent at DB, specifically CB, but also S, though i think they would only take a CB early IF they didnt have a QB, or DE/OLB or DT they didnt like better. They have some later round DB that they have met with. The guy from Troy is a pretty talented player but from a small school so he probably will be a value pick if they can get him.
I think similar things can be said about the WR position. They have met with some value pickguys. Ridley might be a really good player and i know they met with Renfrow as well, so im thinking they are targeting them in the 4-7th round.
We will know more when we start bribing guys in on team facility visits or having private workouts at Pro-Days. Grier has been a part of these with us for a while and our pattern historically has been that we select people from the list of people we bring in. We have got people before we didn’t bring in, but in those cases we were concerned the player would be selected before we could get to them so we hit our interest. That has been the exception to haow we have handled things int he past, so it will be interesting to see whom we bring in for that.
Look how many hybrid players we have spoken with….. definitely sounds like we will be running a multiple defense.
“I’d be lying if I said that won’t be a welcome change to our controlled offense of throwing in a 5 yard radius 98% of the time with Tannehill and Gase.”
Great piece and gonna be a different offense for sure. With Fitz in to gunsling and all those TEs they keep bringing in (and ones who can block)…. tempted to say gonna be a lot of 2TE run hard with vertical routes. But who is gonna block for the RBs?
And should add agree with will probably draft a QB, but have to add in Rosen as one we might “draft” even if on draft day.
Joe Thomas playing and one year (and 50 lbs) after retirement.
Just shows how important that bad body weight is when you’re in the trenches
Yeah look at Shaun O’Hara now.
Good write, Mike. When reading comments on Twitter about the Dolphins I’m still pretty amazed at how many fans don’t understand what we’re doing.
Thanks – There’s always fans discontented no matter what the team does until they start winning. Then they will say I was for it all along. lol
In the new AAF league the Florida team is called the Orlando Apollos…really?
How do you pluralize the god Apollo? Some person actually got paid to come up with the stupid name ‘The Apollos’.
Absolute dumbest name EVER, except for this:
Next up, the New York Marses.
How about the Los Angeles Chuck Norrises. A new basketball team coming to you.
LOL
Patrick’s new article over at the Shout
http://www.dolphinshout.com/2019/03/the-miami-dolphins-leap-into-future.html#idc-container
who’s Patrick ?
Patrick formerly of TinsFins and now of Dolphin Shout, where Nicholas KV resides as well
Cav, the name relates to Kennedy Space Center and the Apollo rockets. The Orlando Shuttles wasn’t quite catchy enough.
the original name was the Orlando Spaces
At least they tried to have it make sense regionally with the connection to NASA. I figured it was just because Florida is sunny and Apollo was the sun god (among other things).
It’s still horrible as it should not be pluralized. They were Apollo space missions or Apollo rockets, not the Apollos. It blows my mind a multi-million dollar franchise has a 10 cent name, lol. They might as well be called the Orlando NASAs, lol.
*opens blog
*scrolls up
* sees discussion about the age of dick
* goes back to work scarred for the rest of the day
Piggy – Nixon would be 106 today if he were still alive. Don’t be so sad, he died 25 years ago
nice save
BTW Cav
If you count Apollo Creed, there are at least 2 Apollos
Ahhh, good ol’ Carl Weathers. Nice one, lol.
Thats some shriveled up crypt keeper dick now…..damn.
I hate the name too. They should have called them they could have kept the fish tradition and called themselves the Sharks or the Barricudas or the Amberjacks. They could have gone with the obvious “Gators” in an homage to the old ball coach.
But Orlando is land locked
I don’t know if this is catchy enough
but calling the team the “Orlando Place in Florida Where Tourists Complain about the Heat while waiting in Line for Space Mountain because there is no Sea Breeze” is more accurate than a fish theme
The “Olando Streams of Sweat while waiting in the Shade to ride Pirates of the Caribbean” would work too. Been there a few times.
Olando Ball Sweat Saturated Boxers! perfect!
Sorry Orlando dont know how i typoed that twice
LOL @ D
Stefen Wisniewski is a FA OL guy a lot here wanted us to sign in FA a few years ago. He’s available again, and we could steal him from the Jets, so win win
Yeah, but now he’s 40 years old! I actually can’t believe he’s not even 30 yet. I feel like he’s been around a loooong time
Wasn’t he with the Iggles?
You’re thinking of Steve Wisniewski who was an all-pro guard for the Raiders. Stefen is his nephew.
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This stings just a little bit…
Tim – No, I’m thinking of Stefen. I remember wanting him when he was drafted. I know who he is, he’s played 8 years, but it feels like longer.
We had some discussions, he was a little undersized and under powered, but he was good with his technique at the time he was drafted.
Gotcha!
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Wha??? Isn’t he going to be going to jail for some time due to insider trading?
Id bet his contract has clauses for the “if he goes to jail” last i heard he is still under investigation.
M
Caught the Derron Smith form last page!
Good stuff! If can can just stay on the field, hes gonna be back in the league.
Absolutely, Brother! Man, he’s on fire right now in the AAF!
GO DERRON!!!
HELL YEAH!!!
This is crazy…
If Adrian Peterson rushes for 1,000 more yards, he’ll be top-5 All-Time in rushing yards. This, DESPITE an ACL tear, two seasons of mere double-digit rushing yards, and a season of a pedestrian 529 yards in ’17 split between two teams.
Reminder: he rushed for 1,042 yards last year with the ‘Skins.
Unbelievable story, here!
To be more accurate, he only needs 784 rushing yards to pass Curtis Martin to become #5 on the all-time rushing list.
Wow, that is pretty crazy.
Yessir! If it weren’t for unfortunate circumstances, he really did have a shot to break Emmitt’s all-time record.
So i just found a site that mines other mock sites and gives you in percentages what everyone thinks is goine to happen for the different teams, and right now we are ll over the place lol. They have us as in the top 4 of teams that are going to prioritize QB high, with the Bengals maybe pushing us to 5th as the dont have QB among the top of thier list, but its in the middle of their list.
They have Arizona 83% to take a QB and that QB is Murray. They have NYG as 72% likely to take a QB, that QB being Dwayne Haskins. They have Denver Broncos as 47% likely to take a QB and that QB is Drew Lock, and then they have us at 16% to take a QB, that QB also being Lock.
So lets say those are good numbers and that means Murray goes number 1, Haskins number 6, and Lock number 10. That would leave us Daniel Jones, as a possible selection, and i for one would make that pick. The metrics though said we would be roughly as likely to select an OL, Williams or Ford as a QB, though a slight nod to the QB position was given.
Going off their metric this is how the fors 13 picks would happen.
Arizona: Kyler Murray
SF: Nick Bosa
NYJ: Quinnen Williams
OAK: Josh Allen
TB: Montez Sweat
NYG: Dwayne Haskins
JAX: Jawann Taylor
DET: Rashan Gary
BUF: DK Metcalf
DEN: Drew Lock
CIN: Devin White
GB: TJ Hockenson
MIA:
By position percentage, we would take Daniel Jones, but only if we liked him relatively the same amount people thing we like Drew Lock.
If you take the selection literally as if based on the player, we would take Jonah Williams as Drew Lock who is our highest percentage player selection, would be off the board, having gone to Denver so the next player on the list would be Williams.
As I’ve stated before, I’d be THRILLED to land Jonah Williams!
mf13ss says:
March 18, 2019 at 3:00 pm
To be more accurate, he only needs 784 rushing yards to pass Curtis Martin to become #5 on the all-time rushing list.
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That means he is nipping at the heels of number 4 too, since Gore just recently, passed Martin himself and he didnt tack on a lot of extra yards to pad that lead. Gore is still playing though so i hope he gets a chance (though hopefully not against us) to add to his numbers.
So we’re willing to do the same thing with Quinn that we did with Tannehill to get a better draft pick.
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article228086484.html
Its basically buying picks in a way. Its clever, i hadnt thought about it but thats kind of a loophole. You basically buy a future pick using part of the cap space you wre getting back. So the end result is you still made cap space for this year, just not quite as much as next and you get a pick in 2020 to help strengthen your draft that year. Thats a pretty solid maneuver.
as much and….
Ross is willing to invest money for draft picks that help the team build. Not all owners would do that.
0 tech is a disadvantage for sure, just depends on how they called the defense. If he was 0 tech but they stunted him on some plays, that might actually could have been an advantage, since they wouldnt necessarily know what side he was going to stunt.Would also be an advantage for teams that blitz alot with the MLB. To me i dont think it takes away from what ya see with the player, just shows his versatility to play whatever roles he is asked to. Id consider it a credit to him as a player.
When asked at the combine where he prefers to play he said anywhere on the DL – any technique. He’s just a baller. My favorite part of his game is his quickness off the snap and he never stops playing.
+1000000000000000000000000
Ed Oliver isn’t my top choice for players to select at 13 but i could see it, and i would certainly be ok with it. Malcolm Butler was a similar player, although not as explosive , coming out of college. Pats took him in the first.
Brown
Yep, sorry Brown
So lets say we get 12mil back, we pay 5 mil like we did with Tanny and we get a third in return (as the article suggests) Now we have our 1st, a second, possible 3 thirds if we get a third comp pick from James. We have 2 4ths, one from the Tanny trade, and 2 5ths, if we get a 5th for Wake, or get a 6th back if the Fitz pickup hurts us a little. Thats shaping up like a draft where you can either package picks together to move up, or its going to be a draft where we really add ome talent to the team. Nice strategy.
I’m surprised this strategy of buying higher picks in trades isn’t used more often. Some owners are cheapskates, but some owners, like Ross, wouldn’t have a problem throwing some cash around to get better picks.
I remember the Houston trade of Ozzy to Cleveland that was basically the Browns buying a pick to take Ozzy’s salary, but I don’t really recall other instances where teams are paying a chunk of salary to get a better pick.
Watch that shit is gonna blow up pretty soon and everyoe is going to be using it
Yep, just what I was thinking.
These guys are operating on a different plane than what we’ve had in the front office in the past. We would have never seen anything like this before. They just kept restructuring guys to create cap space and thought they were geniuses.
This is the kind of out of the box thinking that says the people we’ve got handling the situation in Miami are going to take this shit to another level.
Makes me wonder what the hell Grier was thinking when he would watch Mike T working deals like that and how it probably got under his skin that he coulndt really control that situation yet was somewhat guilty by association.
yeah, it does make you wonder. I wonder how many holes he punched into walls when he got home
The best thing about all of this is they’re all on the same page from the owner right on down. Investing in draft picks to help build this team “the right way” because Ross is willing to dole out some cash shows that.
Exactly. You know, I keep thinking that we sit here and post mocks and post about guys we’d like in the first or second rounds or even more and when the draft comes around I think they’re going to blow our minds with what they do and we’re all going to be in shock.
Not in a bad way but in a good way.
I think Ross is a smart man and he knows what’s what. You have a guy in Tannehill who was looking at a base of $18m+ this yr and it was going up the next 2 yrs. If you keep him it’s going to cost you a lot more than the $5M in bonus you just put out to get rid of him. If you cut him it saves you cap in future years and money as well but you get nothing in return. If you can trade him and get something for him in return it’s a no-brainer.
So, Ross deserves credit but I think it’s not about putting out the money as much as it is about being smarter than people think when it comes to understanding the situation.
Yeah I agree with that. If it didn’t make sense he wouldn’t do it, but the fact that he’s willing to pay the money shows he’s committed to it and whatever it takes to accomplish the goal he’ll do it.
Queue OD lol…..
This should compliment what M13 posted about Oliver from PFF
There is actually a huge discrepancy when he switched to NT
Imo this speaks very positively to Oliver
What a great teammate
I just hate that the media keeps using the word ‘tank’, as if we’re going to go out on Sundays and intentionally lose games. What the Colts did to get Luck was ‘tanking’. What we’re doing is a complete restructure and housecleaning so we can rebuild from the foundation up.
We know we’re going to not be a contender this year, and we’re incorporating that into our plans, but I honestly don’t see us going out each Sunday attempting to lose.
I’m pretty sure Grier didn’t think what we were doing was going to work. Meaning Gase wanting anything to help him win was the priority but it didn’t work out for the foundation of the team. That said when we hired Gase the plan was to win now so you can’t really blame anyone for that even if they didn’t do it well. That’s another story. But everyone knew the approach and it didn’t work.
I think the reason Grier is the top dog GM now is because people in the building agreed with his views on things and they got in Ross’ ear.
It wasn’t just the way they were going about things with the players they were bringing in but also with all the restructured contracts and then the way those contracts were structured. Horrible work by whomever it was who constructed the contracts the way they did.
People are using the word Tank and re-build interchangeably. Its driving me nuts that the “sports journalists” dont know the fucking difference.
LOL, not sure who owes who the beer, so cheers. 🙂
Ive got some Sour’s out in the car, though if was able to throw ya one id probably be in a different profession.
I thought it was pretty clear that we were tanking this year (Steve Ross’ words, according to the media), until we signed Ryan Fitzpatrick.
Does anybody really believe the media any more? Journalism, IMO, had DIED.
Yeah i call them Blorters now, 90% of them because most of them have a blog component to their reporting, particularly the fact they mesh editorial and opinion pieces together with journalistic report to try to convince the public that the whole article is reporting. Part of it is our own fault for putting up with it.
‘Journalism’ has devolved into two basic categories, gotcha reporting, and dive headfirst without looking so you can be first stories.
I tell ya, these reporters have been tanking for a number of years now. When are they going to field a contender?
LOL
Agreed, Cav Kong. And I’ll put a third basic category up there: political agenda.
I think it’s pretty sad when I just want to watch some football, and some game commentator or sports reporter wants to bring politics into the conversation. Drives me NUTS!!!
Political agenda mostly falls into the gotcha reporting category in my book. It’s mostly just mudslinging.
I did miss a 3rd category though. Waterskiing squirrels.
LMAO @ waterskiing squirrels!!! 😆
The word tanking is disrespectful to every player and coach. All the time they put in to then go out and try to lose. I find it absurd. Tanking is a media and fan buzz word and we all know they’re always right. LOL
yeah, the Phins beat writers especially. they absolutely blow. not a decent one among them. they used to be at least somewhat readable before but now they’re just ridiculous and Armando is being a huge douche these days with that tanking bullshit.
I had a Twitter account just for Dolphins football news. I cancelled my Twitter last year since I get pretty much all relevant news here, and Omar and Mando just SUUUUCK now.
That’s why I always say I go to them for intel not opinions. They don’t teach me anything. I’ve been following this game longer than most of them. All I want from them is factual information.
Hoping to see us trade down five times or more this year. Stockpile picks. Load up the roster with cheap talent and potential.
I dont think we will and i dont think thats the best move anyways. I think we need talent so get it when it crosses us. If we dont really find we have someone we are hot about or we think we can trade back and still get a person we are hot about, so be it, make the trade but im not a fan of trading back just to get more picks. There has to be more value in that move than there is just staying put and selecting someone.
Tanking is intentionally losing. Re-building is getting your personnel and coaching situation straightened out with no regard to wins and losses. They are different things. We still intend to play games, and put effort into strengthening our team as we go. IMO tanking would be like we were guaranteeing we would be 0-16, because i mean if you wanted to you could do that. Thats not what we are doing and thing like signing Fitz, not liquidating the whole team and bringing in players to strengthen certain areas, are not signs of tanking,. We certainly wouldn’t have re-signed Parker, we certainly wouldn’t have held out to trade tanny and eat extra cap hit this year to get it done, we definitely would have just rolled with the rookie QB’s, we definitely wouldn’t have picked up Allen, Walford, Fitz or Rowe. Its beyond stupid for Sports people to still call this a tank, because it would look WAY different if it was.
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#1 reason why it’s stupid is because how do you know how good anyone is, from coaching staff to players and people bringing in the players or doing the evaluations if you intentionally tank. you’ve got to play to win in order to evaluate what you’ve got from top to bottom. that’s why these people calling it a tank are clueless.
He was their backup, so this is a camp body imo, not a true depth add.
I dont follow Mando or Omar, or actually many of the guys who are dolphins reporters. Schefter and Glazer are my primary sources of news because they are often very early with it and everyone else if just repeating them, and they are very reliable, comparatively speaking. There are a few other guys i follow too but it isnt the drama queens of the Miami Dolphins news agencies.
Mando has just mounted up and rode off on a high horse with no indication of coming back down to reality, and Omar has been a prick for a decade now. Mando is becoming abrasive and egotistical with his writeing, even more so than before and Omar is becoming a race bating bigot who sprinkles in football shit every once in a while. Those two in particular are just disgusting and im sick of hearing them talk.
but even Schefter comes off and says “it’s CLEAR the Dolphins are going for Tua in 2020” with the moves they are making. Nothing is clear. These guys just keep posting one piece of bullshit after another.
Yeah i think declarative statements like that shout be left to when you have more proof, and thats where even Schefter fails a good bit of time. I still trust him a lot more than i do most the others, because usually he does know things. He has real contracts and not just the every invisible “a source close to the dolphins organization….”
I’m cracking up reading the comments about reporters especially the local guys. I see the same shit so at least I know I’m not crazy or bias. LOL
Tim – Conforto is really hitting the ball well. He has to be much more consistent than he’s been his entire career. If he can do that, he could be up for an MVP voting, and the team should be in contention.
I always felt he would be better than he has been. Injuries and some bad habits at the plate have slowed down his progress. I hope to start seeing good fortune for my sports teams instead of them all being the same boat.
I was really down on him. When they were talking about the trade for Realmuto, I was willing ti give him up and a pitcher to get him. I think I was wrong, I hope i was wrong!
Jets re-signed LB Neville Hewitt. , had almost forgotten about that kid.
i think ownership and the FO are tanking,
as for coaches and players they cant afford to tank, they always play to win, they are on display and have to protect their brand.
the FO will dump and hold back on talent in key positions, that to me is tanking.
Are they going to draft any good prospects or hold back on that too?
i’m sure they will draft the BP’sA however it may be OL and DL, not QB, and even if they do draft a qb he wont be ready for at least a year.
the tell tale sign of tanking is what they did in FA
to me, tanking is what we’ve been doing previously. we had a qb who couldn’t get the job done. we bring in aging veterans at rb and te and on the defensive side of the football instead of bringing in top shelf players in the draft and build a team that is a playoff contender year after year. THAT is my definition of tanking.
we’re rebuilding. we’re getting rid of all the players it makes no sense to keep because we’re better off without them and making room for players who WANT to play for us and play to win every week and aren’t just interested in a paycheck.
that’s just not true and it doesn’t make any sense. the upcoming draft will be a perfect example. are they going to take the best talent they can to help build this team and make it a winner or are they going to draft players that they don’t think can get the job done in order to purposely lose?
they’ll need to play these players and put them in a position to do their best in order to evaluate what they’ve got and make decisions going forward once the season ends.
and, based on that, they’ll also be able to see how well their own evaluation process worked when it came to looking at these players before the draft whether they were drafted or udfa’s.
they need to know how good the coaches are at their jobs from getting players ready to play, coaching them up, designing offensive and defensive schemes, putting players in the best position to make plays and developing the talent they’ve got to work with.
If you don’t bring in players who can help your team you’re not going to know any of that. It’s counterproductive. Tanking……….is nonsense.
Dolphins signed OG Chris Reed.
Signed by the Jaguars as an UDFA in 2015, Reed’s logged 724 snaps at left tackle and both guard positions with Jacksonville over the last three seasons. He’ll serve as interior depth on a washed Miami O-line.
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Never mind this should be counted as a depth signing, he might have been a backup at the OC position, but he filled in all along the line in his 5 years so he is a true utility depth player for us. Good, now i like this move lol
3, damn it
NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport reports the Raiders are “doing work” on Manti Te’o, Aaron Lynch, and Vontaze Burfict.
Manti, man we should sign him. After losing Lauren as one of our players, hot SO, we need to get someone to take her place. His imaginary GF can be as hot as we can imagine her to be, so beat that shit.
I think the disconnect is that making move that need to be made to help you down the road, regardless of how that will affect you winning or losing right now is not the same thing as deliberately doing things to lose. I haven’t seen any more here where they have significantly weakened us in any area thats crucial to winning games and truthfully we aren’t done year even this year that you could judge the endgame. Tanking wouldn’t be left up to chance, if they wanted to tank, they would have everyone on board. Didnt you learn anything from the movie “Major League”!!!!
the reason you start building in the trenches is that may not make much of a difference in win loss record keeping you at the top of the daft, when you start drafting skilled players that will make a difference. you may want to wait to draft your QB as he will be on a rookie deal for 4 years which will enable you to add that savings to other positions, if you draft him right away you lose a year of that savings without any reward in the W/L record dept.
That said, if the qb you are totally sold on is there at 13, take him
but the team HAS skill players at rb, wr and te. they have some good, young LB’s and some good, young players at db. we have a guy who could possibly be an elite LT. So, we have something to start with. we aren’t completely void of talent.
D,
I’ve been a fan of what Cleveland has been doing the last few years. Look at their approach compared to Buffalo or NYJ. If your intention is to start over, why not give yourself as many assets as possible to do so? We are likely two full seasons away from contending for the playoffs IF things go well. Considering that, make all your decisions with a 2+ year timetable in mind. Fitzpatrick doesn’t help our cause. Signing guys that count against the compensatory model this year doesn’t help us. For the most part, the team is following that approach, but these half measures don’t help us in any meaningful way.
Who cares if the team or FO gets mocked for tanking. The stupid teams keep treading water and then give up way too many assets to move up in the draft if they can’t get their guy. The Rams executed this strategy well several years back. They still had to pay a price to move up for Goff, but that roster was loaded thanks to a careful multiyear plan.
The draft is and always has been a crapshoot. I’ve always been a fan of focusing on quantity of picks unless there is great value at where you are choosing. Minkah was great value and a need last season so I felt good about that pick, but we will see how the draft plays out this year.
There is a big diffeence from a team who has had the number 1 pick 3 straight year and what draft capital they can get for trading that one and what we can do picking at 13. we are having to do it a year in advance by picking up future year picks and basically buying them. Browns also have had to suffer through being the worst damn team in all of the NFL for multiple years to get there.We are doing more of the Patriot way, except we arent established enough to do it right, thats why we are getting into position for 2020 more so than adding picks this year. Trading back is a tactic im sure we will be looking to get to, but this year isnt the one where we can or should do it. I think we are 3-4 years out for being in a good spot to start rolling the picks back like that.
The odds of finding a great player mid first are basically the same as late first or even second round. No better time than the present to start the process, IMO. We will likely have a top 5 pick next season and focus on a franchise QB, but if the guy they love isn’t there keep trading down.
We’ve done the mediocrity thing for 20 years now. Time to try a different approach.
this team isn’t picking top 5 next yr. coaching, alone, is going to make a huge difference.
I don’t think we can give either the Browns or the Rams credit for achieving anything at this point because the results are not conclusive. The Browns have a good looking team on paper but we’ve yet to see the results. The Rams made it to the SB but there’s no guarantee where they end up this year.
Rams could end up missing the playoffs this year, then what? Browns could have their best season in franchise history this year but even that doesn’t matter if there is no sustainability.
So, we can look at this “tanking” thing as a model of success but there’s nothing there yet to say it definitely works.
Me? I’d rather see what our coaching staff is capable of. Either you can coach or you can’t. Come to think of it, that goes for player evaluation as well. You don’t see the consistently successful teams picking at the top of the draft year after year. No. They pick towards the bottom every year. But, they keep getting it right.
Teams that know how to put a coaching staff together and get the right talent are the ones who do it every year. I want us to be a team like that. Tanking is for losers.
I think it would be safe to say
“It’s clear the dolphins aren’t using the 2019 offseason to get immediate returns” or something a little more diplomatic
I don’t think anyone should assume Tua will be the top QB
And I think the team and coaches will set the tone to compete each game
They just aren’t going to hurt themselves in 2020 and beyond by spending in 2019
I dont think you can count on anything 2 years in advance. Its hard enough to predict the draft when you already know who has declared. How it unfolds takes odd twists and turns. Add in predicting a player entering the draft when he doesnt have to, predicting a player’s health through an entire upcoming college season, etc. I just dont know, thats too manyvariables for me. If i get a chance at a here and now good thing, ill take it nd worry abotu 2020 when 2020 is here.
Imagine a scout in a pre-draft meeting saying “I don’t think any of the qb’s this year look good. I think we should wait and go after Tua next yr”.
Pig,
I’ll be watching the defense later in the season next year to get a sense for how well coached the team is. The patsies always find their stride mid season and cruise from there. They consistently have new personnel and have to figure out how to utilize them best in addition to identifying how to attack other teams.
I want the team to take an analytical approach to building this roster. Throw emotion of it and give yourselves every percent of a chance to succeed. If you do that consistently it usually pays off.
professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
March 18, 2019 at 5:54 pm
Imagine a scout in a pre-draft meeting saying “I don’t think any of the qb’s this year look good. I think we should wait and go after Tua next yr”.
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And that is why scouts aren’t GMs.
yeah, it just goes to show, however, how ridiculously out of this world fans think when they make comments like “the team is waiting until next yr to draft Tua” when the team doesn’t give a shit about next yr when it’s in the middle of FA and preparing for the draft process. they want to know who the players are they should be looking at NOW. not hear about a guy who may or may not be in next year’s draft.
It’s not the fans saying “Tank for Tua”… it’s the media. And as such, there are mindless fans who follow the media saying “Tank for Tua” as well.
This is called indoctrination/propaganda.
well, there’s plenty of fans as well.
Exactly… plenty of dumb-azz fans who strictly follow the media and their narratives. SMH
It’s amazing how many people do not understand how a qb can help his offensive line by helping to set them up with blocking their guy.
That’s also a primary function of a quality Center.
while that is true, you see a lot of examples how a qb is aware of where his o linemen are taking their blockers and moves in order to help them out
If you don’t love a QB in the draft this year why waste a pick on him? We are going to live or die with whoever they pick so don’t commit unless you’re convinced you have the right guy. I don’t care if it takes 3 years to finally find the right guy. As we’ve seen, you can load up a roster full of great players before committing to a QB.
And I don’t think the Browns are even close to a guarantee at this point, but they have a loaded roster now and lots of future assets. They are in as good of shape as you could hope for. I’d love the Dolphins to find themselves in a similar position three years from now.
Also agree, that if the coaching staff isn’t great it won’t matter. We’ll start to figure out that question this year.
well. sorry, but I’m taking a break for a while. see you guys maybe during camp
There’s no need to be sorry: you bring great points to this board.
If ya think that everybody is going to agree with each and every one of your opinions, you’re sadly mistaken. Grow thicker skin, my friend. On the serious tip, I really DO appreciate your opinions… most of which, I agree with.
Hope all is well Lou…. whatever the reason my best wishes go with you. Mom would call that white light.
Tim had mentioned that the Chiefs would be a good landing spot for Reshad. We’ll see if they’re interested. He can give them what Berry (since injured) couldn’t.
SINCE WE GET EVERY BUCS’ GAME here in Tampa Bay, I got to see plenty Ryan Fitzpatrick last season. Early in the season, R-Fitz made great use of a splendid receiver corps. DeSean Jackson, Cameron Brate and the guy from Texas A&M (senior moment, forgot his name)–Evans–could not be covered by any of the Bucs’ first 3 foes. R-Fitz passed for over 400 yards and looked a bit like Dan Marino! Then, reality set in. Defenses adjusted. Tampa Bay had injured O-Linemen (sound familiar?). Before long, R-Fitz was riding the bench, again. –DON’T get me wrong. Behind a decent line, “Fitzmagic” can be effective. Problem is MIAMI’S O-LINE currently sucks, especially with the loss of James. SOOO, we’ve GOT to draft the best O-Lineman available in Round 1 or 2 if we are going to give our QB’s a fighting chance. —I’m so glad most of you have listened to and adopted my “O-Line First” credo I’ve been preaching for lo’ these many years. DON’T KNOW if Ross has “converted” yet, but, in a few weeks, we’ll know. Meanwhile, one of my very best friends, a die-hard Bucs’ fan, is so depressed by the Glazer family’ mismanagement of the team that he has turned in his ultra expensive air-conditioned Club Seats (6 of them) and told the Glazers to stick it up their ass sideways. And he’s far from alone on this issue! New head coach Bruce Arians faces a daunting task this coming season in Tampa Bay. My forecast is that all 3 of Florida’s NFL teams will lose at least 10 games in the 2019 season.
GOING to watch some Lightning hockey now. Be back @ 1st intermission.
drg – We’re not going to take a QB unless we “love” them, at least not in the 1st RD. Later on you can “like” them, take a gamble on a guy w.o necessarily loving them. In other words, we’re not going to take a 1st RD QB just for the sake of taking a QB early, that won’t happen.
Sad trumpet
Come on Barry, you’re better then this. NEW: Could the Dolphins have just made a decision that haunts them for a decade? Let’s hope not. Some points to consider:
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article228079594.html
Yeah, I pretty much don’t care what the media has to say any longer, for they’re all in it for clicks today. That, and most have TDS.
Our culture is decaying from the inside out.
This idea if we don’t have the worst record to draft Tua would possibly haunt the team for a decade is comical. Yep, they’ll never be any other QBs after Tua. Not all good QBs are the top pick or at the top of the draft.
Let’s say we do go 1-15 and have the #1 pick and select Tua. Then in 3-4 years it’s apparent he wasn’t what everyone thought he was. The new narrative will be Dolphins put all their eggs in one basket to tank for Tua and it backfires potentially haunting them for years to come. I mean come on guys. LOL
By the way what is TDS?
Trump Derangement Syndrome
AGREE with you, Mr. Spikes.
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The Fins should try to improve each and every day of each and every year, PERIOD!–Anything less is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE. BTW, did Dave Hyde or Edwin Pope ever ask the Don of Miami about losing so as to get a higher draft choice?? –Shula’s response WOULD HAVE BEEN UNPRINTABLE, I AM REAL, REAL, SURE OF THAT!!
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HAVE WE, AS A FRANCHISE, FORGOTTEN HOW TO WIN?? UNDER STEVE ROSS, I’M AFRAID THE ANSWER IS “yes!” –While I HOPE that all of these off-season moves pan out, I’m afraid recent history is not on our side. Meanwhile, we need to make moves with the idea of getting better by WINNING!! —- not losing for a very long shot at TUA!
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SPEAKING OF “getting better by winning,” the Lightning are 18-2-2 in their last 22 contests. THAT’S HOW YOU PREPARE FOR THE PLAYOFFS, GOT THAT??
the colts sucked for luck and they still suck with luck
LOL @ M13 on Trump Derangement Syndrome
I wasn’t thinking politics here but I have heard that. A friend of mine uses that all the time. He’s a former traditional Democrat who thinks the far left has destroyed the Democratic Party and he antagonizes his liberal family member and friends when they’re silent about hypocrisy. LOL
I happen to agree with him and know quite a few traditional Democrats who have left the party. It’s not even about good debate and what’s best for America anymore, these loons are downright anti-American and their base is growing in the Democratic party. My friend accuses all who blindly support their party regardless as being the reason Trump won and will win again. It’s funny stuff.
That said, it doesn’t mean he or I agree with everything Trump does like some people do. All politicians do stupid shit and he’s no different.
You guys really have to speak about that here?
For me, I’m just talking about how fucked up the media has become and how I no longer trust ’em. I wasn’t going for politics, but it IS part of the equation.
I just expanded on the TDS. I wasn’t even thinking politics with what the sports reporters are sensationalizing. I’m done with it and not in a political mood. This was more about why I know of TDS, what I experienced with it, not that these opinions are fact or anything – it’s how different people view things. I actually thought my friend was the one who made TDS up. LOL
Pig,
Don’t you get upset with the media reporting half-truths, mis-truths, and outright lies? C’mon, man… er, Pig!
Really you guys like this?
Defend this tweet without blaming the media or the left
Tell me why it’s okay for a President to speak this way about deceased POW who served his country for decades
I would love to know how this is some one else’s fault other than Trump
Now YOU are bringing politics into this, Brother.
I’m talking about the media, and only the media. The same media that is trying to destroy Michael Jackson (RIP) a decade after his death, when he can’t defend himself.
History will judge both, but the media is outright trying to destroy people nowadays. SMH.
And let’s not pretend that McCain was an outstanding Senator, either. He betrayed a LOT of Americans as a Senator.
Let’s get back to football, or the media in general. I’m not trying to get into politics, but for having defined TDS.
Teams plan years in advance. I guarantee you the FO is already looking and thinking about players/moves 3 years from now.
WHAT??? Surely you jest?
There is a department for that and they share intel with everyone in the org. Right now Grier and Flores are in the current moment within the long-term plan. Still working on the current roster, FA live and preparing for the draft. But not everything they do is about tanking for Tua. LOL
M13 you were talking politics
TDS has an obvious political angle
Let’s not play dumb about it
You introduced it
And you’ll be the first person to say let’s not talk politics
DON’T CALL ME “SHIRLEY!”
Yes… I defined TDS.
you said it
Randomly when there wasn’t a discussion of politics
Some one asked
And you explained it
Everyone can scroll up
And Tim and I had a discussion about the matter. No harm, no foul. Why are you going after us?
ocalarob says:
i think ownership and the FO are tanking,
as for coaches and players they cant afford to tank, they always play to win, they are on display and have to protect their brand.
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Think ORob nailed it right there. But tanking doesn’t mean try to lose…. just setting up the team for down the road and not caring much whether win in 2019. Yes they will be trying to win, but only with the hand dealt.
I’ve had issues with the right and left and both the republican and democratic parties for years. I don’t like extreme factions. So that’s where I’m at.
Back to the Dolphins.
PIGGY, I’M gonna piss you off even more on the politics issue. Trump’s comments on McCain were unforgivable. And I’m saying that as a veteran who did NOT vote for John McCain when I had the chance to do it. I’ll be damned if I’ll stay silent while a draft dodging asshole like Trump lectures anyone on patriotism or sense of duty. As each day passes, I’m happier than ever that I voted for neither Hillary or Trump.
God bless the Libertarian Party! And may both Hillary and Trump spend many years in jail!
OD
You aren’t pissing me off
I always like your opinion on subjects like these bc of the wisdom in them
But I think we are ready to drop the politics
NOBODY should be pissing you off! Opinions are mere opinions! If one gets pissed off by a mere opinion, one should probably go seek professional help, to be honest.
I luv ya, Pig, but I didn’t really see any REAL political debate above, until ya got pissed off by “TDS”. And being I don’t want to continue the POLITICAL discussion that YOU brought up with President Trump’s tweet, the ball is in your court.
I didn’t support nor condemn your bringing it up, but YOU made it political, good friend.
I just said you were NOT pissing me off
But you certainly are inviting debate
Saying the phrase “Trump Deragement Sydrome”isn’t political isn’t very credible
You would be hard pressed to find a more political phrase to throw in an otherwise apolitical conversation
OD — God Bless McCain, but if we start talking Trump then this place will be just like every other place.
^ exactly
And you are a better voice for that subject than me
Bc everyone knows where I stand on him….lol
I’m talking about the untrustworthy media… the same media (in ALL walks of life!), who told us that Ant Barr was going to sign with the stej, that Teddy Bridgewater had spurned the Saints, and that the Raiders would be playing in Las Vegas in 2019.
Guys, it’s a CLICK BAIT WORLD anymore… and it’s SAD.
Let’s move on. I’m still looking at who is on the roster from last year and wondering who’s next to get moved and who will we keep that we might have thought would be moved. I’m in roster mode. LOL
Okay M13 and Tim
Not trying to bust your chops
I will tell you I particularly don’t like the word Trump derangement syndrome phrase
Bc I’m a huge critic of trump
And I’m not deranged about it….lol
I think there are many legitimate things to criticism him on
And pretending that there isn’t seems absurd to me
I’m avoiding posting anything substantive bc I don’t want to encourage debate on the subject
I have grievances with the media too
Some I agree with you both about
But let’s not pretend that subject hasn’t become politicized
It’s a slippery slope
I think if you go down that route, it’s hard not to find yourself in a political battle
No disrespect intended to either of you
Let’s just try to avoid it when we can
That’s all
I know from time to time we engage politics and I do
And sometimes it’s great
But TDS is a heck of a foundation to start a debate on
What is a trump critic like myself to do with that starting point?
Bro, that’s YOUR problem, not on everybody else. Work on it… you can do it.
And you continue to speak about politics, by the way. Tim and I have already moved past “TDS”.
I honestly mean this with RESPECT to ya, Pig! Not trying to diss ya, at all.
Lmao
Okay you convinced me – the phrase trump derangement syndrome isn’t political…lol
What’s next: A discussion about the sky isn’t a discussion about the sky
Man, that’s just GROSS to me!!!
You fuddy duddy. LOL
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Jordi, we may disagree politically, but I nonetheless consider you to be a friend to me! ALWAYS remember… it’s alright to disagree. You are my BROTHER, regardless! 🙂
GoodStuff, Mike, THANKS FOR BRINGIN’IT !!!
Thanks to you & Stanger coming by for beer 😜!!!
GOFINS@!!
Was a nice write by Patrick. Hope some of your other folks come over some time. But for sure this place is an acquired taste. Gotta be looking for the buddy experience and BSing abut whatever as well as the Phins.
We have a nice Fest each year. Last year 3 days and like 34 in our seats. Hope you can make it with us this year. Goes for the guys at the Shout too…. get group seats pretty cheap. And we have a dog who plays guitar too.
I tried to read Patrick’s article but as soon I saw a walk down memory lane and how long it was so I bailed. I don’t want to revisit the past. LOL
Was a great article though….. and not like they require you to read the whole article to comment. Some people here are proud they never read for some reason….. or maybe just yanking Mike E’s chain. 🙂
With Ryan Fitzpatrick here to get a chance to play because he loves it, but on a short-term deal, it’s clear any other QBs added will be rookies. They chose him for the locker room and vet presence for a year or two. He can share a lot of experience. He’s like Josh McCown for us but with much more starter experience. This draft is huge for us to start the transformation.
This draft will be a start, but 2020 will be huge. They are going to have a boat load of picks to play with.
I mean the types of players they like and what they start with. It doesn’t even have to include a QB. 2020 should be setup to have more options than we have now.
Rookie or Rosen….. he is as much in play as any of the top 3 QBs in the draft.
Hey… anything can happen. Very little surprises me anymore even when I think it will but it ultimately doesn’t. LOL
I don’t feel Rosen coming to Miami. We’re not done with attempting trades and/or releases. We’re not done with roster moves. That always helps tell the story of what we might do.
Most likely Rosen does not come to us, but what QB is more likely too? And just like with the rooks, he’d be here with an eye to the future and a compete.
LIGHTNING GET HOT LATE and beat the Coyotes 4-1. That’s 19-2-2 in their last 23 games. Bolts also clinch their first President’s Trophy (most points in league) in franchise history. And Stankos scores 364th career goal, most ever by a Lightning player. Walk dogs and sleep with a smile on my face. Life is good for Lightning fans tonight!
Stanger, think about this too. New ARZ HC Kliff Klingsbury is the one who started the Kyler Murray craze, the guy with the 1st pick. He might want to start his career as HC with a big trade to gather premium draft picks. ARZ was the worst team after all. 😉
I don’t think Rosen is the kind of guy this new regime wants leading the team. Just my opinion….
Well damn you and your opinion! JK/LOL 😀
By the way, I agree with ya.
Lol
The way the FO is operating I can see us trading down in the draft too – specifically #13. Is there one prospect in this draft we must have that changes everything at #13?
Nope
and nope. That is why when I do my mocks, I always find myself trading down a bit.
I think we will stay put with our first. Reason being is we are either going to be sitting there with a QB prospects we probably feel good about OR we will have a guy like Oliver, Sweat, Wilkins, or someone that we will not be able to trade back much and still that caliber player. I just dont see it. Of course, ifwe were to find ourselves in the position where there is a plethora or prospects all around the same talent level, we would opt to trade back, but i believe thats true for any draft year and not just this one. 13 is a perfect “stay put” spot, since your general trade up offers have already dropped significantly in value, and yet there still exists good enough players to help your team. I get why you guys are interested in trading back, i just dont see a rebuilding team not bringing in a talented player like those i listed, if they are there.
stangerx says:
March 18, 2019 at 10:31 pm
Most likely Rosen does not come to us, but what QB is more likely too? And just like with the rooks, he’d be here with an eye to the future and a compete.
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I think this FO has their rentaQB in Fitz, if there was any interest in Rosen ot any other FA, i don’t think they would not have signed Fitzpatrick.
#trenchsout
Probably right, but there’s also a chance they want Rosen but feel like he may need some competition and to learn the offense some, so Fitz can do that until Rosen is ready to take the reins. I think that’s less likely, but still possible.
The deal with Rosen is he eats a high draft pick, not sure this FO would part with one for him, they should be trying to add picks not trade them away
Mike E. says:
March 18, 2019 at 7:51 pm
drg – We’re not going to take a QB unless we “love” them, at least not in the 1st RD. Later on you can “like” them, take a gamble on a guy w.o necessarily loving them. In other words, we’re not going to take a 1st RD QB just for the sake of taking a QB early, that won’t happen.
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To expand on this, we have no clue who they are in love with, we have no clue what attributes they are looking at, so by definition, if they pick a guy, they were in love with him, no matter if we dont feel the same about the prospect. I have been saying all along that this class isn’t shit, and the whole narrative of, wait until next year because its a better class, doesn’t exactly resonate with the FO’s of different clubs.
Teams will take these guys and we will know what was thought of them and my guess is at least 3 will be taken in the top 10-13. I wouldn’t be surprised to see 5 taken in the 1st round either. Just because WE believe its so, doesnt mean it is. QB’s always have the potential for overdraft, but i promise you even if we think “this guy is a 3rd at best” there are NFL teams that have them legit ranked as 1st round prospects. They might be in the late 20’s on their draft board, but they are consider by those clubs as worthy of a 1st round selection.
As fans we really got to get past ourselves and let these guys do their job without setting things us so we can be hyper critical of the moves they make. So lets sit back and relax and if they select a guy, they feel good about him, their jobs kind of depend on them getting it right so they arent going to fuck around.
I agree D – Well said
stangerx says:
March 18, 2019 at 9:23 pm
ocalarob says:
i think ownership and the FO are tanking,
as for coaches and players they cant afford to tank, they always play to win, they are on display and have to protect their brand.
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Think ORob nailed it right there. But tanking doesn’t mean try to lose…. just setting up the team for down the road and not caring much whether win in 2019. Yes they will be trying to win, but only with the hand dealt.
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Stanger, thats not tanking thats building a solid foundation, those are completely independant thoughts. Orob was saying they deliberatly are hurting us in certain areas to increase the chances of losing, he gets the difference, he just believe the FO wants to lose. I cant see it. The moves that have been made arent win now moves, thats correct, but they certainly not lose now moves. They will play this season out, they arent tanking for a draft spot, they just want to get us with a solid foundation to build off of and the moves they have made have been to do that. They are cleaning up cap bullshit, they are adding players they help them transition the team and patch certain holes they see i the team. You wanna see tanking, you have to wait to the season to see it. You will be able to tell if they are losing for the top draft spot. It was pretty obvious when the Colts did it, so just wait and see if we look like we are going the way of the Colts. It would also be a year wasted of development of our new system, i just do not see these guys, these high character FO peeps we seem to have now, doing that shit.
D — don’t want to get caught up in the word tank, but maybe going to the management can do that while the players don’t. Ever see Major League? But in this case instead of moving the team it is to have one that can compete in the future.
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WOW!!!
Just happy he didn’t go to the Yankees!
i thought he was headed to philly
These baseball contracts are nuts.
Nice – Make it happen!
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Talk to Kong, he seems like he might be capable. See below.