Well, out with the old, in with the older. The Dolphins traded QB Ryan Tannehill to the Tennessee Titans and our 2019 6th RD (#188) pick as well as paying $5M of Ryan Tannehill’s $7M 2019 salary in exchange for the Titans 2019 7th RD pick (#234), and the biggest part of the trade, a 2020 4th RD pick. In addition to the Tannehill trade, the Dolphins signed veteran QB Ryan Fitzpatrick to a 2 year $11M deal, but with performance incentives met (they won’t!) could boost the deal to between $17-20M.
I remember driving home from work the night of the 2012 NFL Draft. It was Thursday April 26th, I worked until 9PM and I was racing home from work that night, desperately trying to make it home to watch us make our selection at #8. It didn’t happen. I was close, less than a half mile away when my cell phone rings (hands free for you law enforcement type) and it’s Walker on the other end. Walker says in his lovable southern drawl “Mike E, we got a QB!” I can actually feel the excitement still, the hope of a young QB, it brings so much promise. Unfortunately for both us and for Ryan, things never quite happened as they were supposed to, and the Tannehill era ended 3/15/19 with the trade to the Titans.
In 2016, Ryan Tannehill had his best stretch as a Miami Dolphin. After losing 4 of the first 5 games, at 104, Miami rode the J-Train (Jay Ajayi), and that threat of a legitimate run game opened up the offense, and the ball control rejuvenated the defense. The Dolphins went on to win 7 of the next 8 games with Ryan Tannehill until the fateful knee injury ended his season against the Arizona Cardinals. You know the rest, Matt Moore finished the season 2-1, beating the Jets and Bills, but losing the final game of the season to the Patriots. In the playoffs, we were no match for the Steelers as we were drubbed 30-12 in a non competitive game. Could Ryan Tannehill have done better? We’ll never know.
The Dolphins signing an older vet QB like Fitzpatrick means a couple of things. Fitz is not a long term answer so the Dolphins are still looking for young QB talent. S Minkah Fitzpatrick will have to put an “M.” before his shared last name of Fitzpatrick on his jersey for ’19. Fitzpatrick is a capable QB, but has been a rollercoaster the last couple of years. He started last season hot throwing 8 TD’s to 1 INT in his first 2 games for the Bucs. It all leveled out as Fitz finished the season throwing 17 TD’s and 12 INT’s after the 8:1 ratio in games 1 and 2. He’s really good and really bad. That’s how he’s been. He loves to sling it, and I’d be lying if I said that won’t be a welcome change to our controlled offense of throwing in a 5 yard radius 98% of the time with Tannehill and Gase.
I think the Dolphins will take a QB in this draft, but not necessarily in RD1, unless the right guy just happens to fall to us at #13. We won’t be trading up, which makes it difficult, but we just need to improve the young talent depth at QB. If we felt either Rudock or Falk were the real deal we probably don’t bother picking up Fitzpatrick. Whether Haskins, Lock or Jones are a guy we target, we’ll see in a few weeks. I’m excited that we’re on the right track, and each move we make cements it in that the rebuild is legitimate, and things will get better, but again, for the short term they just might get worse.
#staythecourse
Finsmob Unleashed 
Sweet, multiple suitors for Quinn.
It’s funny, when people have told me I have TDS, I always took it as a compliment.
Who wouldn’t want Titanic Dick Syndrome?
😆
You are a 10ft Gorilla is sure hope the T stands for Titanic and noth another Ti word…a much shorter one.
I thought Kong was at least 50 feet tall. Can’t trust the fucking media!
Mike Trout is an amazing player, just be glad he didnt go to the Phillies or hell any other NL team for that matter.
So lets see, this off-season in baseball, they have had a guy set the largest contract numbers, only to have that prestige one week, an then that guy had that prestige for maybe 2 weeks? crazy.
Angels are going to be paying Mike Trout until he is dead or the Angels shut things down as a franchise, whichever comes first.
Isn’t Barry Bonds still getting paid by some one?
Bobby bonillia, was still getting money from the Mets until just a couple years ago when they settles for the remainder of it
Bonilla
That’s right
Bonilla
Even worse…lol
Bobby Bonilla is still getting paid by the Mets. The Mets royally screwed themselves with that contract modification
You are right it is still going on. 1.19mil every year through 2035.
And you guys were bitching about Tanny’ dead cap hit lol
Lol…WTf!
That’s the craziest contract I’ve ever seen
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/16650867/why-mets-pay-bobby-bonilla-119-million-today-every-july-1-2035
I guess they are just waiting for the guy to die of old age.
I think bc it’s deferred money, if he does before it’s paid, the value passes to his estate
That was part of the Madoff stuff right?
That’s what the article infers (albeit they never admitted it)
Yeah, they figured while deferring the money, the $29M they would pay Bonilla would pale compared to the returns they were getting on their investments which would make it over $49M. Problem is, once the truth came out and Madoff was arrested, no money was coming in. BOOM!
Madoff was involved but only because the Mets owner was a moron an thought he had took advantage of Bonilla. He though his investements in Madoff, the 5.9 put into an investment with him would yield more than double in returns over the course of the payment contract, so even though Bonilla would get 29.something mil for the 5.9mil he was owed, Madoff would get them 42mil for the 5.9 they invested. The part that makes the mets stupid, and probably a lot of other people was really trusting Madoff, because financially speaking, they would have made money off the deal had Madoff not made off with their money.
Hmm guess my numbers were completely correct lol
D,
I’m not sure what other ‘T’ word you could possibly be alluding to, but I think it may have been one of these:
Tyrannosaurus, terrific, titanium, trophic, thick, telescopic, tripod, tigerish, transcendental, trapezoidal, tyrannical, or maybe just titular (as in kong size). lol
Not like had an Omar man-crush on him, but thought Robert Quinn had a more solid season that least some on the board did. Stout guy who was good in run support and a motor. Hope the Cowboys agree. More draft picks the merrier.
He was solid last year
I think this is just about getting picks
That and like Wake, he’s best as a pure 4-3 hand in the ground DE. We’re going multiple and want guys who are more versatile.
Quinn is pretty rigid when it comes to anything but DE in 4-3
But I think Wake was a little more versatile
Didnt he play 3-4 OLB under sparano and collect double digit sacks?
I just think we are unloading vets and I think that’s a good idea
I though the Rams had Quinn playing OLB in 2017
Yes – and he underperformed as I recall
He had 8.5 sacks, but he didn’t have a load of tackles
Least report was when he came here that OLB in a 3-4 was not a good fit for him….. and he had excelled at 4-3 DE before.
Piggy, yes Wake did play 3-4 OLB early on but then he started playing more and more on the left side hand in the ground. It’s not like he couldn’t play OLB, but he was better hand in the ground.
Quinn did have 8.5 sacks playing 3-4 OLB with the Rams in 2017 but he admitted he wasn’t very comfortable in that role.
Yeah I remember Quinn preferring 4-3
Stanger – Yeah, I remember all that with Quinn, attributed some of it to spin on our part as to why we wanted him and traded for him.
Yeah i think some of it was spin, but as a LB you have more responsibility to recognize the play and change what you are doing accordingly. So maybe he didn’t like that aspect and just preferred pin your ears back and rush.
He obviously did at least one component of the OLD job well, 8.5 sacks isnt a low numbrer. 6.5 isnt great but its not awful either.
OLB
I was personally just wanting Quinn’s cap hit down some. I hd suggested earlier this year we might be able to extend him and do that, cut a chunk off this years cap by giving him another year to determine if he fit our new system. It probably wasnt worth the investment, and the coaches knew he wasnt the guy they wanted, so….whatever, not hung up on it either, but i als didnt think he did an awful job last year. In fact there were a lot of times he was just a turn of the corner too late from a sack, like a bunch.
No doubt, I felt he had a lot of just misses, just got there a little too late
He would have had many more sacks if the interior rush was better.
Objection you honor – That’s conjecture!
LOL, yes it’s my opinion. We allowed the QB to step up and move around too often. If we would have been better at keeping the QB in the pocket more Quinn would have gotten to them more often. Wake too.
Don’t get your hopes up for too much back on Quinn. We have him inked for one more year at almost $12 mil in salary. Sounds like would be a 6th or 7th kind of deal. But that’s straight cap savings unless we pay for some of his salary….. which might mean a better pick though.
It stands to reason you are right Tim, he had pretty good angles and he got around the OT, he just couldn’t get his hands on the QB because they a lot of time had just enough room to step up out of his reach.
Quinn trade heating up.
Have a QB sandwich, show them you mean business!
QB Lamb fry!
I think the compensation will be like it was in the Tanny trade Stanger. I think we might get a 3rd or 4th but it will be a next year third of 4th and it will cost us eating some of the cap hit this year to get it.
I’m pretty sure a straight out trade is worth a low pick. But now that you can buy picks seems the only limit on the high end is how much does 11+ mil in salary get you above that. Seems to me a separate transaction from the trade. The trade only makes it possible.
The compensation is always better when there is more than one team interested, and there are 2 at least
Great to see the Saints wanting him as well. That makes me think that yes there will be a trade. This other pay for draft pick thing is all so new though. But makes it more interesting too.
D says:
March 19, 2019 at 2:16 pm
It stands to reason you are right Tim, he had pretty good angles and he got around the OT, he just couldn’t get his hands on the QB because they a lot of time had just enough room to step up out of his reach.
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Stranger it’s what we did with Tanny and it’s being reported we are basically offering to do the same with Quinn.
Stanger. Friggin auto correct always tries to do that with your name.
Auto correct and I have a number of mutual friends and have met a bunch of times, but didn’t go well. So AC pretends otherwise.
Yeah, 8.5 sacks was a down year.
Before we signed him …….
Crazy with what the Browns have spent and the Jets too, they are still a couple mil ahead f us in cap space. When Quinn’s deal gets done, we should be able jump past both of them though maybe even the 9’ers. We of course would likely just be rolling that over to next year but the more the merrier. So are you guys going to shit your pants if we spend big next year? What if its spend big to retain our own?
FYI
Is this a deal offer to many people popped for solicitation charges? If so thats fair, and whatever, he is guilty and then the league is gonna punish him for violation of conduct policies. If this isnt normally offered that kinda fucked up, and i hate when celebs get specialized treatment just because of their stature.
It was the same deal offered to everyone who was caught getting the happy ending in the place. Q is whether Kraft takes it — comes with that admission of guilt that the league office will grab onto.
I mean as far as backups go the dude is great.Definitely good for keeping all options available when making a more permanat QB decision right now.
Yeah and Fitzpatrick knows the deal. He signed here so he can play or at least compete to start. He can also help the young QBs.
D
Kraft was charged with two first degree misdemeanors of solicitation
that’s as harsh as it gets and I don’t think he got any preferential treatment on the charge
there wasn’t going to be any serious jail time on a misdemeanor no matter what
but a first year public defender gets this case thrown out if prosecutors really tried to push the case
Sports Illustrated did a good job recounting the facts
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/02/25/robert-kraft-charged-solicitation-prostitution-video-details
One thing that jumps out at me is that the Police didn’t arrest Kraft in the place
the pulled him over and identified him for a made up traffic stop
then got his ID
and thats how they were planning to say its him
But that’s completely flawed by the police
obtaining evidence (the ID) through an improper stop mans the evidence can never come into evidence at trial (the 4th amendment prevents it)
If they would have doesn’t a raid when he entered and arrested him onsite-it would be totally different
but they can’t even present a copy of his ID to say it was him at a trial (bc that evidence is improper)
Sounds the other200 guys are in the same boat
Police know better – I’m sure they knew it
and just wanted to publicly shame these guys to deter them from doing it
I also thinks its weird that Kraft didn’t drive himself to get a rub and tug…wtf. his cheuaffer must know all his secrets
Awesome, thanks for that break down. Then yeah, i hope he takes the plea since he there may be too much to actually lock him in on. Would he have to register as a sex offender under his plea arrangement? If not then that might be the motivation to take the plea and not try to risk fighting it. NFL though is going to use that admission of guilt to punish him by the conduct clauses. I doubt though even that punishment would be sever, like unable to attend the facility or games until the suspension ends. Irsay didnt get it too bad either and his charges were more severe.
I bet the NFL suspends him but it really means nothing
A plea deal is all about the terms of the plea deal
so anything is possible
but I’m not sure the sex offender registry applies to solicitation of adults
and my guess is knowing how weak the case is – he wouldn’t agree to much
I doubt he suffers any punishment outside of the NFL except the public shame that has already occurred
Bob Kraft’s Chauffeur would make a heck of a Porcine Oddsysey character
hmmmm……
Randall Cobb is a Cowboy. Cowboys facility was full as shit today. Quinn was there, Cobb, Eric Berry.
LOL
So Fitz pick the Fins, so he could play. Bridgewater picked Saints so he wouldn’t. Got it.
I don’t know about that. I think it was more about $$$, especially regarding guaranteed $$$ with Teddy. Teddy wanted more than what we offered, and Ryan Fitzpatrick just wanted an opportunity to start.
I think we’re trying to be wise with our money, thus we didn’t even try to outbid the Saints for Teddy. But guess who was willing to take the money we offered Teddy? Fitzpatrick.
And we all know that we’re going to be drafting a high-profile QB either this year or next. Thus, I’m glad Teddy turned us down. We’ve got a plan, and we’re sticking to it! 🙂
In short, had we outbid the Saints for Teddy, I’m absolutely sure he’d have signed with us… especially being Teddy is from Miami. Teddy is getting paid better to be a backup, than to be a starter with us. Can’t say I blame him, either.
$$$ talks, the BS walks. It’s just how it is. Gotta LUV Ryan Fitzpatrick and his desire/passion!
I hope we draft a bunch of great players, play really good, win a lot of games and then do that same thing again the next year…and the next…and so on. 🙂
I like it, so no tanking for Tua or some other QB in the future? 😉
Another Tannehill type trade?
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article228121759.html
Works for me! Just keep getting those picks baby!
Tim,
I don’t think Tua is worth tanking for. But, I am okay with making moves to build for the future and not to win now. That’s not tanking to me…just smart.
There’s a few Qbs to choose from
I think its smart to wipe the slate clean and buildup too
I was being sarcastic. 😉
Quinn was a bad signing last year. He was horrible setting the edge and ineffective against the pass. If you aren’t getting inside presssure, stop just running the arc and use some inside moves. He used to be quick enough to get there…not now. He simply isn’t the player he was. He should be a 20ish play situational pass rusher at this point. We way overpaid for what he was.
Its like Tim was saying, its not that Quinn is bad at what he does, he, and this is true about Wake to some degree, is pretty much a 1 trick pony in pass rush. You need a strong push on the interior of the pocket to help him generate his sacks. His get off is incredible. His lean coming around the edge, pure beauty, and like i said he probably had another 12 or more sacks fall just out of his grasp last year. I think the guy is a stud, but he’s limited, and he for sure isnt helping you at all in the run support department. He has one speed and its GO, he dont need no steenking tackles, just sacks mang.
Tim Knight says:
March 19, 2019 at 5:39 pm
Another Tannehill type trade?
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article228121759.html
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Beasley is retarded though, he was saying we would use some of our 27mil cap space (first of all its 33) to pay for Quinn’s salary, but we get 12 back trading him. If we eat 5mil or hell 7 mil of it, we dont use any of the cap space, we actually go up in our cap space from where we are at.
I didn’t even pay attention to the numbers because everyone is using different figures. I like the gist of what we’re doing to turn some cash into draft picks for players we’re not keeping.
D says:
March 19, 2019 at 5:54 pm
Randall Cobb is a Cowboy. Cowboys facility was full as shit today. Quinn was there, Cobb, Eric Berry.
mf13ss says:
March 19, 2019 at 5:52 pm
Don’t expect anything on Robert Quinn and the #Cowboys – or #Saints, for that matter – today. Sounds like this could take a few days or more to settle. https://t.co/eKu9P1mt0x
— Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) March 19, 2019
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If there are two teams in the mix thats almost guaranteed to be true. Both are going to wanna check him out to see what they feel like he will be worth so they know where they will stop their offer.
D,
You’re describing Quinn from 4 years ago. Not now.
I completely agree with Randy’s post below:
Randy says:
March 19, 2019 at 5:16 pm
I hope we draft a bunch of great players, play really good, win a lot of games and then do that same thing again the next year…and the next…and so on. 🙂
Wouldn’t it be something if we’re making all of our moves to trade up for Murray this year and still have some other draft capital left this year and next year. There’s a buzz out there that we’re high on him.
It’s just a speculation, not me saying we are or should do this.
In a word… NO!!!
So what do you do if that’s we do? Again not saying we do nor am I advocating it. Just thinking out loud about what I read during smoke and mirror season.
Let’s not even consider the most unlikely of scenarios. We could play the “what if” game all day… like if my Aunt had balls, she’d be my Uncle.
M13 is all geared up for the draft and hears right away Miami is on the clock at #1. He sighs, huffs and puffs and then realizes his Aunt is his Uncle. LOL
LMAO! 😆
YOUR TEAM
MIAMI DOLPHINS
YOUR PICKS
1: R1P13 OT JAWAAN TAYLOR FLORIDA
2: R2P21 C ELGTON JENKINS MISS. STATE
3: R2P25 DL GERALD WILLIS III MIAMI (FLA.)
4: R3P14 RB DEVIN SINGLETARY FAU
5: R4P14 EDGE D’ANDRE WALKER GEORGIA
6: R5P13 G NATE HERBIG STANFORD
7: R7P19 DL MARQUISE COPELAND CINCINNATI
8: R7P20 WR JAYLEN SMITH LOUISVILLE
I like the approach but don’t think we need a RB in the 4th with Drake, Ballage and players like Wilson and Grant to do some razzle dazzle stuff. We can address RB next year when we might have to.
it’s worse than that Tim. He was a 3rd round pick (4th overall pick, two in the 2nd)
RTP (Rockphin Tradey Pants)
YOUR TEAM
MIAMI DOLPHINS
YOUR PICKS
1: R1P19 OT GREG LITTLE MISSISSIPPI
2: R2P19 C GARRETT BRADBURY NC STATE
3: R2P21 EDGE ZACH ALLEN BOSTON COLLEGE
4: R2P25 G MICHAEL JORDAN OHIO STATE
5: R3P21 QB WILL GRIER WVU
6: R3P38 EDGE JOE JACKSON MIAMI
7: R4P14 LB TRE’VON CONEY NOTRE DAME
8: R5P13 LB TRE LAMAR CLEMSON
9: R7P19 LB CAMERON SMITH USC
10: R7P20 WR DARIUS SLAYTON AUBURN
BAM By the end of the Third round I filled five starter spots, potentially fixed the lines and got a developmental QB Then took a couple of hybrid guys for D
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And that’s why Omar is saying as much just now. Don’t EVER recall him saying this about Xavien prior to today. SMH
because he probably heard someone else say it recently….
Don’t mess with Howard. He’s a top level corner. Young and still getting better. He’s a building block.
Not sure if anyone posted this already. I like the analysts and cut ups
https://www.lockedondolphins.com/dolphins/free-agent-analysis-guard-chris-reed/
our new OL coach coached him so there is that
When you see the Fitz contract structure it appears “rookie” friendly
We may have one sooner than later ?
I agree.
Bucky Brooks has Haskins falling to us at 13 in his latest mock. I don’t see that happening but I could see us moving up. Of course they’d have to want to obviously. I think it’s set up this year to get the QB of the future and let him learn from Fitz as well as learn the offense. Next year we have tons of cap and extra picks to fill out the roster.
who is the better QB Fitz or Tannehill??
Fitzpatrick is a pretty good QB
Fitzpatrick is much more dynamic, at least now after Tannehill’s knee injury. Fitz will throw the ball anywhere, Tannehill is much more measured with his throws. Maybe Fitz sees the whole field better than Tannehill does, especially since Tannehill seemed to only look 10 yards downfield most of the time.
I think there may be a good possibility we take Will Grier in the 3rd rnd
Omar says Lock could be the next Aaron Rogers
Lol
They can probably get Jones at 17 and go Defense at 6.
Ohio State Pro day is today. Can someone confirm if we have a contingent there. I can’t imagine that we wouldn’t.
Haskins to the Giants makes sense
So if the dolphins want him they might have to trade up
Raiders at 4 or Bucs at 5 seem like good targets
I usually don’t like trade ups…but maybe we can throw a player in to reduce cost of picks
Maybe this is Mike E’s dream Reshad Jones trade scenario
Son – I can confirm Willie Leggetts, cafeteria proprietor at the Davie complex is in attendance at the Ohio St. Pro day
Thank goodness. Maybe he brought some sandwiches.
Why would we be at Ohio States pro day?
There is nothing but trash there….oh because of Bosa, never mind.
Sorry just hard to irritate you “hard on for Haskins” peeps.
Seems Grier and FLores can do whatever they want with the team if the goal is 3 years from now. Long as Brian Miller got it right, these are the 12 players on the roster signed for more than the next 2 seasons.
Reshad Jones
T.J. McDonald
Bobby McCain
Minkah Fitzpatrick
Mike Gesicki
Jerome Baker
Kalen Ballage
Durham Smythe
Cornell Armstrong
Jason Sanders
Luke Falk
Sam Eguavoen
Full https://phinphanatic.com/2019/03/20/miami-dolphins-12-players-contract-beyond-2020/
I really do not wanna trade up for a QB this year. That would be a bad move. We seem to be stockpiling for next year, i think that year makes a little more sense for a trade up if we dont get our guy this year.
^^^
I don’t to jump way up high, but if the guy they want is there would have no problem popping up a few slots to ensure….even if costs us say a 3rd or 4th. But only for a QB.
I just dont see that scenario though. My guess is they have the same 4 on their radar most teams do, but unfortunately we as significantly behind several of those guys. Then there are some of the surprise guys who may be taking a guy even though they have a starter with them already, like a SD Chargers, or a GB Packers, or even a NE Patriots. My guess is we would have to move up probably into the top 10 to get a guy, and we would have to outbid other teams that have to move up a shorter distance. I think we would have to offer more than we needed to to get that guy. I just dont see scenarios where we wouldnt have to significantly hurt our rebuild project to move up and get a guy.
D — if it ain’t there then it ain’t. Only pointing out a scenario I’d be OK with.
God i think Omar wants to fuck Howard. Howard, make sure not to turn those him Omar’s way on the “open to the media” practices.
turn those hips
This is the epitome of a play it safe, take what the draft gives you draft. If it was me im 100% not trading up in any round. I wouldnt trade back either unless 1) i got a silly offer i couldnt pass up, or 2) i just wasnt in love with anyone currently available at the round i was in. If i find myself sittng there and a guy is someone im really interested in and i have him rated around where im selecting, im not going to take some weak trade back just to get more picks. If i like him and im getting some MTP retard trade scenario, im all over it but we would be MUCH better off is we just select players when we get to our picks that help improve the team. This is a good draft to stay put.
I disagree. We would be MUCH better off if we trade down and acquire more picks.
ocalarob says:
March 20, 2019 at 8:42 am
I think there may be a good possibility we take Will Grier in the 3rd rnd
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He’s obviously a good fall back option, if we dont get someone we really love in the first. Might take a second round pick to get him though. Stidham is a possibility, i think he is undervalued right now. Taamu, Jackson and Shurmur to me are still pretty solid options in the 2-3rd range. Maybe 4th on some of them.Rypien is someone we met with, he’s a 4-5th guy.
Mike E. says:
March 20, 2019 at 8:47 am
Fitzpatrick is much more dynamic, at least now after Tannehill’s knee injury. Fitz will throw the ball anywhere, Tannehill is much more measured with his throws. Maybe Fitz sees the whole field better than Tannehill does, especially since Tannehill seemed to only look 10 yards downfield most of the time.
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And he doesn’t throw to the receiver, he throws to the location. Tanny was always behind his guys because he threw to the receiver and just tried to estimate how much to lead them and was most of the time wrong and the ball was behind them. Fitz is solidly mediocre, his athletic ability isnt what Tanny’s is, even after the injury, but his high end is higher and his low end isnt as low.
I think his reads and processing is faster and like you said i think he sees the whole field better.
CBS Sports’ Jason La Canfora reports the Redskins are “very much intrigued” by Ohio State QB Dwayne Haskins.
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See an there is this. Dont get in a bidding war with Crazy Dan Snyder who needs a media splash to get his dick hard.
Its reported that the Jets are likely trade partners this year, so you want Haskins, do you want to give up what the Jets would charge us to move to number 3? Hell no.
ocalarob says:
March 20, 2019 at 8:40 am
who is the better QB Fitz or Tannehill??
Fitzpatrick is a pretty good QB
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well, do you go by someone’s “eye test” or historical statistics? You know where this is going just because I asked the question.
One has a career 81.1 rating and the other 87.0
one has completed 60.1% and the other 62.8%
One threw an int 3.5% of his throws the other 2.8% of his throws
One has a 6.9 yd per completion average the other 7.0
One threw for 208 yards per game the other 232.2
One threw 30.4 passes per game the other 33.1
One threw 1.347 TD’s per game and the other 1.397 TD’s per game
One player has better stats across ever statistical category than the other but the people on here will tell you he was the poorer QB.
And one is a whole lot cheaper and just here to get us ready for the next QB. Good point with the stats though.
Don’t underestimate the value of a top pick, especially if there’s a lot of demand for a QB. I’m not a tank for Tua guy, but I do see a lot of value in getting the top pick next year and trading out of it if the Dolphins don’t love Tua or whatever player is the consensus top guy. The Rams jump started their rebuild with that RG3 trade. Cleveland has done a great job trading down and stockpiling players/picks over the last few years.
If I’m Miami, that’s my plan. Load up on young guys this year that the coaches can mold and work with. Call it tanking, rebuilding, whatever… I agree with guys that consider Fitzpatrick a little too good of a QB for what the goal seems to be. The difference in fan excitement between 2-5 wins is insignificant. The difference between the top two picks and outside of the top 5 can be huge, however.
Rockphin says:
March 20, 2019 at 1:29 pm
I disagree. We would be MUCH better off if we trade down and acquire more picks.
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Im ok when you disagree with me, just strengthens my feeling im right, because everyone know Rock is always wrong.
ocalarob says:
March 20, 2019 at 8:42 am
I think there may be a good possibility we take Will Grier in the 3rd rnd
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PRefaced by the fact that I do not pay attention until around draft time, I like Grier the most of this year’s QB’s. He is a little on the small side, but he is actually bigger than many when they came out.
67% completion, 37 TD’s and 8 picks at 9.7 yard average is not too shabby.
PROS: Seamless technique in his drops. Smooth operator. Has the ability to read the defense and deliver the ball with a quick release. Possesses the necessary arm strength and generates enough torque to fit the ball through intermediate windows and holes in the defense. Can throw with touch to all areas of the field. Accurate in the short and intermediate ares of the field. Aware of leverage and can hit back shoulder throws. Thrives driving the ball up the seam. Mobile in the pocket and has the athleticism to move out of structure. Off-platform throws or on the run throws are still accurate. Can offer an additional dynamic with his above average athleticism and mobility. Passionate leader.
Cons: Doesn’t quite have an NFL build, and could stand to add some thickness. On the shorter side for QB’s, and isn’t full of strength. Accuracy can come and go on deep balls. Plays in an offense that affords him the opportunity to make a lot of throws against man coverage, and hasn’t really shown the ability to manipulate zone coverages. Though he’s able to make throws while off base, sometimes he puts himself in that situation by floating away from cleaner pockets.
I can see him being the “next Brady” in the Erhardt-Perkins system.
Man, I hope we don’t trade up for anyone this year. That would be a brutal move, IMO. Especially for a QB. Build the team first, then go get a rookie QB. If you pick the right guy you have a great 5 year window to keep the high salary pieces around a cheap rookie QB deal.
QB takes a while to develop though, even if apparently not as long as the old days unless the last name is Rosen. But same time what it would cost to get a top 5 pick is too much for me.
D says:
March 20, 2019 at 1:35 pm
Rockphin says:
March 20, 2019 at 1:29 pm
I disagree. We would be MUCH better off if we trade down and acquire more picks.
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Im ok when you disagree with me, just strengthens my feeling im right, because everyone know Rock is always wrong.
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So funny you had to post it twice? I think not. I think we know what D is short for…..
A short D
Thats would be ASD…duh.
What good are more pick if the picks aren’t as good? You cant tell me that players who are drafted later are as good or have as much likelihood of studding out as higher ones. If that was true a team would have selected them higher. All players might develop into good players because most are pretty friggin talented at that level, BUT there are reasons others are taken before them, and not just one team agreed but all did if they passed on them too. This is a quantity vs quality argument. We need starters, we have holes at positions we need to get starters at. This is the year for that and adding talented depth is more of a year 3 thing. We have to establish a foundation before we start stacking mutiple floors on this thing we are building.
we have so many needs that moving down 5 spots which will get you a lower 1st and at LEAST an additional 2nd will not effective handicap their ability to find a starter at some position. but it will significantly increase the odds of getting ANOTHER starter in the 2nd round. The difference in talent available at 13 and at 19 is not that great where it is a disaster waiting to happen.
but then it comes back to your first sentence which is the truest so far. The pick has to be a good pick. Odrick / Misi was a miss. but look who was picking at the time.
I dont think moving down 5 spots would get us an additional second. We’d have to find a pretty desperate trade partner to get that. That may be the difference in our feeling on trade downs, the years i feel make the best trade back years are the ones when you are in the top 10. Outside it, the 11-19 range, maybe even 11-15, to me is not enough trade value to not just take talent at that spot because the talent is still really good there, but the trade isnt. Once you get in the latter part of the first trade back starts to make sense again, because you are outside the top tier talent and equivalent to high second roun talent, so you might as well trade back or even out of the 1st.
Id say Grier is the Jimmy G of this draft, except he is a little more athletic. I like him about as much as i did Jimmy G.
The problem, if you call it one, is he gets a little gunslinger sometimes. If his team is behind he is going to start taking risks. I dont mind that, i actually kind of like that, but if its a play it safe system, then its not necessarily gonna make a coach very happy when he does.
I loved him at UF, ive followed him in college ever since. I really would be quite ok with him as the QB we got from this draft.
Don’t forget Willie Leggets! lol
Who?
This is the way I see it. I would prefer not to trade away any picks to move up, but the truth is if you’re getting the QB you think turns your franchise around then you do it. The last couple of years teams had to trade up to get their QB’s, that’s how it works these days. They very rarely fall to your spot. I don’t know how we feel about any of these QB’s, Murray, Haskins, Lock or Jones, but if they love one of these guys, do what you have to do to make sure you get him. My thinking is only Murray and Haskins would require a trade up, but it’s possible even Jones or Lock might too, who knows. It’s not what I would prefer, but F it, if we’re all in on a QB, I have to trust they are making the right move.
I agree, and next year i would feel like we would for sure need to. This year i think its a get our guy if he’s there kind of time for us. I dont mean that that none of these guys are worth trading up for, like you said thats up to them, but to me this year in the rebuild process isn’t the year for it. Its a year to get a guy if we can giving up as little as we can. Next year the pressure is there that if we didnt get him last year we better be ready to make a move this year because clock is ticking.
D,
It depends on what standard you set for success, but the odds of a player succeeding in the NFL don’t vary much in the early rounds. If there’s a 15% better chance of a mid first rounder succeeding than a mid second would your rather have two seconds or the 15% better odds that the one player works out?
Trading down from the top spot can sometimes produce a 300 or 400% return on value in the long run. If you have a long term plan in place, that’s the way to go. We’ve got a coach, FO, and owner that have a pretty good window to build something.
You also need to consider that the more draft assets a team controls the better positioned they are to take advantage of stupid GMs when they get desperate or acquire high value players when they drop in the draft.
Play the percentages and things work out in the long run.
I’m kinda scared that we’ll end up with Finley when all is said and done.
Don’t be scared of that
I doubt he is a franchise QB
but he has some good qualities and I think he can be a good backup down the line
If we draft Finley (presumably in the 4th round or lower)
It just means its the Fitzpatrick show in 2019 and then we draft a QB in 2020 early again
DRG, there is also the fact that perennially good teams (like NE) are always picking at the end of the rounds and gee, they seem to do just fine with their picks. (no better or worse bust rate than the teams that are always picking at the top of the rounds) This reinforces my thinking that trading down from a mid round pick to a later round pick to acquire additional 2nd or 3rd round picks is worth it.
D says:
March 20, 2019 at 1:49 pm
I dont think moving down 5 spots would get us an additional second…..
While it is not always adhered to the value chart says to move from mid round to top 10 takes a first, to move from late round to mid round takes a 2nd PLUS. Moving from late round to top 10 takes multiple 1’s.
Not all of the side effects are bad:
http://money.com/money/5638871/we-will-miss-the-warm-winters-retirees-are-fleeing-florida-as-climate-change-threatens-their-financial-future/
hey Trypod!
good article
Mr. Piggí- Hello!
you mean I may see less of this on I-95?
yes
But unfortunately the lesser amounts you don’t see
are still just as likely to NOT SEE on I95 right before they side swipe you
Oinks
Rock – My old wrinkly ass will be coming to FLA to haunt you someday, so beware!
There’s no perfect place to live. Every place has its pluses and minuses.
Hawaii is a perfect place to live. Only problem is if you want to go some place else.
That’s what I mean, pluses and minuses. If you have family you leave behind, it’s a heckuva ride to see them. I’m sure it ain’t cheap living in Hawaii either
or if you don’t like humidity
or if you don’t like paying $7 for a lb of butter
Not outside the resort areas. That shit gets scary fast and the true locals dont like non-locals. You would be really boxed in as you say because you pretty much would need to stick to Honalulu and a few other touristy places on the other islands.
Yes it is expensive, but Q was a perfect place to live. And took that as just being there. And D — maybe you have had different experiences, but found the “locals” really cool. They kept thinking my wife was one over and over….. those of you who have met her will get why.
Was fine and enjoyed things in Honolulu, and other places where we kinda stuck to the program. Couple times i wanted to go do some outside the normal beaten path stuff and it was a pretty sketchy, lots of what the fuck are these guys doing here kinda stuff. I dont feel its a bad place to visit, but id stick to more populated and general touristy type places to visit.
D — for sure depends on the island and Honolulu offers the big city aspect (both positive and negative), but this guy at least thinks heaven on earth. But we each have to go with what fits for us. Guess when you said local was thinking native Hawaiians. Love those folks.
No surprise here:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/patriots-owner-robert-kraft-will-not-accept-a-plea-deal-offered-in-the-florida-day-spa-case-a-source-says/ar-BBV0z91?li=BBnb7Kz
Yeah too much at stake for him to just let a guilty plea happen. With his money, the lawyer he has will make pretty quick work of that shit.
Boooooooo! I have a feeling that he is going to the Giants. I can’t see them passing up a QB 2 years in a row, especially when they’re down near the top 5 2 years in a row
Agreed and they also have the #17 pick and 12 picks in total.
The way I look at it is Haskins is not falling to us. I don’t think he gets past the Giants at #6 and they may even trade up for him. They have enough picks to address their defense so they get their young QB who can sit a year under Eli unless the season goes to shit and they start Haskins at some point, but I don’t see them passing on Haskins. Only way he doesn’t become a Giant is a team ahead of them takes him or trades in front of them.
I think the Giants could even trade up for him and he might be number 1 over all. The Giants would almost have to make that trade if they are sold on him. They also have 2 number ones to make that move and not have to sacrifice next year picks.
I said they may even trade up for him. LOL
We all know if the QBs are considered potential franchise QBs they go at the top and teams trade up for them.
Im not sold on Arizona drafting at the number 1 spot. I think they are going to prefer to trade the pick, and i dont think they are as hung up on Murray as people think.
I mentioned that last week. Klingsbury who has the connection with Murray and reportedly loves him is a new HC with the #1 pick and he started the buzz that pushed Murray to #1. He may want to get a bunch of picks to start off as a first time HC and roll with Rosen for now and see how he pans out.
The 1st rd is going to be interesting this year.
stangerx says:
March 20, 2019 at 3:55 pm
D — for sure depends on the island and Honolulu offers the big city aspect (both positive and negative), but this guy at least thinks heaven on earth. But we each have to go with what fits for us. Guess when you said local was thinking native Hawaiians. Love those folks.
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Yeah my bad, local could mean anyone local to any of the islands, but i was meaning more of the ones outside the touristy areas, because they aren’t use to interacting with tourists and they dont benefit from it, so they tend to see them more as people fucking up their slice of homes. I mean i get it. When people use to invade my home town of Panama City FL. all the traffic would back up and the beaches would be full of drunken asshats some of which just couldn’t keep themselves out of trouble. The bars and nightclubs made ooglies googlies of money off them, most the people partying on the beach didn’t mind them because it was just a bigger party, etc, but there were times when you were in your own little area, which normally you had all to yourself and now its got random assholes running all over it. It gets ya pissy.
No doubt the mainlanders drive up their rents, but also like 90% of the economy is from tourists and relocators. Just love the islands…. but maybe am one of the people who does make the rent more. Could live there in a second though…. and always found the people nice as nice can be.
Is that what he is?
He certainly passed on rushing the QB the entire time he was a Dolphin.
LOL
Eric Rowe seems like a good guy. He’s got talent, if he can stay healthy he could be the corner opposite Howard for the future if he plays well this year.
https://www.miamidolphins.com/video/one-on-one-with-eric-rowe
My favorite thing about the Fitz signing, is it’s now highly unlikely we make a trade for Dr. Rosen Rosen. I can’t stand that guy.
Spies like us reference?
Stanger,
That’s cool you lived in Hawaii. I’m in the process of getting licensed there. Our kids will be out of the house in a few years and my wife and I are looking into a part time or even full time residence.
drg — never lived there….. just been a bunch of times. What island do you have your eye on?
Oh man, ever been to Hanalei, Kauai? That is heaven. I’d set up a small office and have a home there if it all worked out. I have a buddy that moved his whole family to Oahu two years ago. The transition for his kids has been rough, but he loves it. At the very least, I may just partner up with him on a part time basis and travel there once a month.
Just give me a few great golf courses and a nice beach and I’d be happy. Will travel to snowboard in the winter.
drg — never been to Kauai, but that was mainly cause was known both as the golfing and slow island. But from what have heard since has turned a lot more built up and hot. Plus am old enough that it’s no longer as slow and my older age might make a good fit.
My wife and I were in Maui a couple of weeks ago and looked at a nice piece of property going for 1.5 mil right on the beach. A couple had just bought it for under 1 mil, renovated it, and were flipping it. They had already had multiple offers. There is money to be made in that real estate market if you have the capital to start.
lol, to clarify, we weren’t looking to buy at that price. We’re not in that class.
Where in Maui were you? West coast is pretty darn cool.
West coast is very cool, Stang. We stayed on the west side in a condo at Lokelani. Fantastic place to stay. Our balcony was literally about 20 yds from the water.
Anyone staying in Maui, I would highly recommend it if you don’t mind paying a bit extra. It’s separated from the resorts enough to get you away from the crowds. It’s a small location with only about 20 units, and every condo has direct access to a private beach, and not kidding, the beach rarely has more than a few people on it. We had a blast, ‘played’ a couple of the golf courses, and are already planning our next trip.
My kind of place. Google mapped and looked like you were just north of Kapalua. Great area. Last couple times have been too far down south in wailea. Nice but more isolated. Prefer the places near Lahaina.
Yep, that’s the place. It was nice be near to Lahaina and Kapalua without being right in the middle of all the touristy things. On days we wanted to relax we were great, but it was a short trip to get to all the happening stuff.
Tim,
Rowe was a good player at Utah, but I felt like he got hyped up more in the draft than deserved. I think he’s capable of being a consistent starter. Will provide good depth at the very least since we will be running 5-6 DBs more often than not.
Yeah he’s a good addition. We have a lot of talent in the secondary. That’s one of the reasons we might not be bad enough to tank for Tua. LOL
Our secondary better be great, because I don’t see the front 7 helping them out much. OL will be interesting too.
Cav,
I remember my first trip to Kauai 20 years ago. My wife and I were looking at a beachfront home listed for 250K and thinking, maybe in a couple of years….. It’s probably 4 million today.
lol, no doubt. Inland is affordable, but anything along the coast is going to be astronomical.
Did anyone pick up Ndamukongsuh yet??
drg, that’s why I think we double up at DL and OL in this draft. We have to upgrade the trenches and we some good players to work with already. I think McMillan and Baker make a big jump this year. They both flashed quite a bit in the 2nd half of the season. The team didn’t play well overall, but you saw progress from young players. I expect Minkah to make a big jump after his solid rookie campaign playing all over the place. He’s gonna be on the field 90% of the time regardless of where he lines up.
That would make sense. I wouldn’t be surprised to see us take a couple DBs early. We will see how the LBs look in the new scheme. I’m not sold on any of them yet.
Even if we lose a bunch of games, I think this could be a fun season to watch all the young guys.
We have a lot of speed and athleticism at LB. I think our entire back end of the defense is more about being on the same page than a talent deficiency. If they click I think our defense has a chance to be good depending on DL additions.
we definitely have a weakness at cb……..
nobody has moved on Bradley Roby, he was taken in the 1st rnd by denver, had a great season in 17, not so in 18,
We have some good players on the DL, Spence…God…Taylor..along wit pitman and Norton….i’m not sold that they will go there with 13.
The OL DE and CB positions are of great need,
If they go DT, its either going to be a guy who can also play 0-1tech and it will be a difference maker. I could see Oliver there or either of the two Clemson DT’s.
I’m gonna move to Florida in a few years and wear nothing but a Speedo and sunglasses every where I go.
Tell me where you move so i can make sure not to be in that neighborhood.
There’s already a couple of dudes who do that at Dolphins games. Please don’t! LOL
Stanger,
If you like a more tropical and wet landscape then you’d love Kauai. Getting more busy, but still less touristy than Maui or Oahu. Lots of amazing hikes and great waterfalls to swim under.
drg — on the list of never did it before but might be a fit now — top 2 are Kauai and Costa Rico (even if for different reasons).
Is one for the prostitutes?
D — not sure get where you were going with that one. Is one of them known for ladies taking credit cards? But even if so….. Amsterdam is a darn cool place as well.
Free agent Jake Fisher will work out for the Redskins.
Fisher left his Texans visit without a deal. He’s trying to reinvent himself as a blocking tight end despite limited snaps at the position. Fisher should land a non-guaranteed deal this offseason.
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Interesting. He was a top OT in his draft year and now he feels he is so unemployable as an OT he has to change positions.
CavalierKong says:
March 20, 2019 at 4:59 pm
My favorite thing about the Fitz signing, is it’s now highly unlikely we make a trade for Dr. Rosen Rosen. I can’t stand that guy.
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Spies like Us reference?
Or was that from Fletch?
Fletch
“Where is the records room?” “It’s me Dr. Rosen…Dr. Rosen Penis…Dr. Rosen Rosen.”
LOL
One of my favorite scenes:
He did something similar in spies like us, but he was Doctor Trowbridge i think
I like Spies like Us a lot too. Great Movie. Chevy Chase as hard to work with as i have heard he is made some fantastic comedies in the 80’s
It was critically panned, but I always liked Spies Like Us too. Donna Dixon…
John CockToastin
LOL
It’s Scotch-Romanian.
I couldn’t fin the clip, but in my memory, he kinda stuttered, said it like John CockTo-toastin. I loved that movie, it just always made me laugh.
Never mind, here it is. LOL
I thought it was Cocktoastin, but now I do think it sounds like Cocktolstoy. Learn something new every day!
I was never sure what he said there. When you wrote John Cocktoastin I thought to myself “AHA! That makes sense.” lol
I think this movie is Chevy at his best. So many quotable lines.
Come on Frank, I’ll buy you some new deodorant.
6’4″, 6’9″ with the afro.
Who’s Rita? My secretary. Who are you? I’m Rita’s boss.
What kind of name is Poon anyway?
Come on. It’s all ball bearings nowadays, boys.
I’ll take a steak sandwich, and a steak sandwich.
LOL, that is just of the top of my head.
Stanger,
You will love Costa Rica. I’m not a big sit on the beach guy and there is so much to do in Costa Rica. The people are awesome and it is a tropical paradise. We are spending Thanksgiving there with my kids.
Those are two great trips if you can make it happen.
Well there you go!
Don’t watch if you have a queasy tummy!
Weren’t we suppose to be a 3 win or worse team last year? 😉
We move on from vet players who or good or above but we went 6-10 and 7-9 with them. The same with the criticism the Giants are getting. They’ve been bad the last two years but somehow they let go of their “super stars” and now is all lost. What did they win with Beckham, Vernon and Collins?
I think teams are rethinking about how to win.
Fins went off at 6 wins for the over/under. The “Miracle in Miami” produced a 7th win.
Trade whatever you have to trade and get Haskins. We’d be stupid to move forward without him. He’s the real deal.
Sorry to say he’ll be gone before we pick unless we do a boatload trade to move up to get him. Not sure he’s that good though. If he was he’d be the no doubt #1 prospect in this draft. Yet he’s not.
That’s why I said trade.
The top 5-7 aren’t QB needy (despite Arizona about face) like last year otherwise he would be but last year didn’t have the defensive players this year has either.
Lol stanger I think you and I are on different wave lengths. My humor is odd, has undefinable boundaries so it’s not my first time not connecting with every one. Suffice to say the prostitute statement was a joke as is a lot of what I say. If something I say is left field or over the top or random as fuck it’s probably me joking lol.
Son you and I usually are on a similar page but I just can’t see Haskins worth all that. I’d be fine taking him at 13, same with Lock or Jones. I just can’t see trading up for any of them. I just don’t see this team in the position to do that.