Stephen Ross’s vision for the Miami Dolphins matches what Dolphins fans should want to see

“This is going to be a young team,” Ross said. “I want to see it grow and at the end of the season I’m sure it’ll be a better team than when it started because there’s going to be a lot of young ballplayers that are going to be having meaningful positions.”

“I want to win all the time, but sometimes you gotta take a little pain,” Ross said. “The fact is we’re a young team, we’re drafting, we’re not signing all these (free agents). It’s all going to be the talent. That’s what it is at the end of the day: finding guys who are motivated, who want to play ball. It’s not all about money; it’s about winning. And that’s what you’re looking for.

So far, Ross, Grier, Flores and the rest of the Dolphins front office have kept good on their promise. We were thrifty in free agency, even to the point where we let our own RT, Ja’Wuan James leave to the Denver Broncos to the tune of a 4 year/$51M deal. That hurt us in the short term and although I wanted to keep James, it’s arguable whether he was really worth that kind of money. I think he’s being very honest and upfront with his plan. For the millionth time, this plan isn’t tanking, but filling spots through the draft and not free agency without a boatload of early picks may not yield a lot of proven NFL starter ready talent, so as we get younger and less experienced, there will be bumps in the road as Ross made so clear.

“These guys who play football, they play to win. That’s why you don’t talk about tanking. These guys are giving their all on the field. You don’t take those kind of hits knowing the team is tanking. But we’ve got to see it getting better, they see themselves betting better and they see something developing here, that we’re building it. That’s what you really want to see this year. The wins will take care of itself.

The draft is getting closer and closer and as per usghe, the QB’s are creeping up and up, closer to the top of the draft. Nothing has changed with these QB’s other than the scripted workouts without and defensive presence where everyone oohs and aahs at their arm strength and accuracy as they stand there with no defender coming at them or covering the wide open receiver they’re throwing to. It’s amazing to me how the same thing plays over and over every year. It’s silly as can be. We all knew that Haskins was a sure fire early 1st RD pick and that because Kliff Kingsbury appears to love Murray that he would be too, but now Lock and Jones are entering top 10 consideration. I shouldn’t be surprised, it happens every year and the need for a quality starting QB seems to increase every year which thrusts at least 4 QB’s into that 1st RD, and usually the first half.

It’s never too late to get things right, and thankfully, it seems that Steve Ross, who has been extremely successful in every business venture he’s entered into except the NFL, has finally seen and decided to pursue the correct course.

“When you first enter the league, this is so different than any other business,” he said. “And I bought a team because I wanted the challenge of building a winner. And I know how I build winners. I start them from scratch. I found the best people and created an environment where people all work together and bring the best out of them and not be like any other organization.

“But football is so different. At first you want to sit back and watch and learn. After last season I said, this isn’t working. And the more we talked about it after the season, I just came to the conclusion we have to change. Doing the same thing and expecting a different result is insanity. And it’s more me finding the right people and having them work together as a team. I really feel good about it.”

To be fair, Ross was pretty convinced that Adam Gase was the guy to change the fortunes of the Dolphins. Good on him for making the change once he felt differently. Now the task falls to Brian Flores and it seems like for all the right reasons he’s the right guy to carry us through. Once again, I caution because I’ve felt this way before. I didn’t love Adam Gase, but I thought for sure our offense could be a top offense at the very least, and that never happened.

So now GM Chris Grier, long time Miami Dolphins employee, has now emerged from the shadows and into the forefront. He’s the architect, and the contractor too, and will now follow Stephen Ross’s plan to build the Dolphins the right way. I believe we have started the process very well, we didn’t overspend in free agency which in and of itself, was a departure from how we always did things here. Now the biggest challenge is acing the draft. We’re not endowed with a lot of picks in this draft, we have one pick in each round except the 6th, the first round being #13, and then we rotate each round until the 6th RD, where we traded our selection to the Titans for their 7th RD pick to complete the Ryan Tannehill trade which also netted us a 2020 4th RD pick. Not a lot of draft capital, but there still may be a trade or two to get us some more. At the moment, we are actively trying to trade DE Robert Quinn and at least 2 teams (Cowboys, Saints) are interested, and even more have entered the fray. It’s also possible Reshad Jones will be traded, but that’s merely my speculation only, nothing firm on that one.

We’re heading in the right direction Dolphins fans, now we have to pass the biggest, most daunting test yet on April 25th-April 27th.

#staythecourse

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  1. naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

    Trump has nothing to do with Kaepernick. Your timeline on that is distorted.
    The NFL’s issue with Kaep predated Trump’s presidency.

    The NFL chose to settle out of court for the same reason many people do, to stop the negative PR and remove the soapbox which the irritating voice was using.

    • Different views on what happened, not really important for Miami in 2019

      I can agree to disagree. I just want Miami to be their best, and Kaep prolly isn’t in that conversation.

      What I see as a problem, is Fitz interception rate, it’s turning Me off
      But I am curious of room opinion,

      Does Anyone else thinking Fitz is not the answer? Anyone feel we have to make a move in the draft for a QB? What should we do for QB this year and beyond?

      • naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

        i agree with you David about Fitz turning the ball over too much.
        That is why I want to see Luke Falk given every chance to win the job.

        Fitz can only be useful as a fun ride at the amusement park.
        He’ll take you up, down, and all around until you get sick in your stomach, but you’ll say let’s go again daddy, that was fun.
        He’s not your Bugatti Veyron, your Lamborghini, even your always reliable Toyota Camry. He’s exciting though.

        We need to draft the next Andrew Luck, Russell Wilson type guy.

  2. naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

    Back to our depleted roster

    At DT all we have is 2 UDFAs, a journeyman 4th rounder, a 5th round over-achiever and a 6th round spot rotation player.

    There is no chance of any of those players becoming a pro bowl talent at a position which demands that level of talent or your defense WILL sick, as it did.

    If we do not immediately infuse some talent into our DTs,
    we are doomed to be bottom quartile of the NFL on defense.

    I said this last year,
    and we did not draft or sign anybody good enough to matter and look what our defense rating was.

  3. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    I think FItz is definitely NOT the answer. More to the point though, I don’t think anyone in Davie thinks he’s the answer, he’s just a one or two year bridge.

    I don’t get into player evaluation like others on this board, so I don’t have an opinion on this year’s QB class other than Murray came off like an idiot to me in the interview I watched. I have found the different discussion enlightening, and do wonder how we are going to approach this draft.

    Like always, I think it comes down to what our evaluators think of the crop of QBs. If there is one they really love, and he is reachable, then we go get him, otherwise we have to be all in on drafting a QB next year.

  4. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    I’m sure the NFL payed that 10 million to Kaep with smile on their face. That’s less than nothing to them, he has to shut up about collusion, and he is in the exact same boat he was in before the suit. Nobody has to sign him, and nobody will.

    Now that the payout amount is out there, people know he didn’t have evidence, just like when people thought the NFL had paid out 100 mill, as was first reported, people thought it meant the NFL capitulated because Kaep had them over a barrel. It works both ways. Clearly there was not enough evidence for Kaep to win his suit or no way in hell he settles for 10 million, lol.

    • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

      *paid*

    • Works both ways, the NFL has nothing they could prove in court that he can’t play quarterback, they settled to avoid court

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        I don’t understand the first part of that. Why would the NFL have to prove he couldn’t play QB? lol They didn’t have to prove anything. Kaep had to prove collusion and obviously couldn’t which is why he settled.

        And yeah, the NFL settled to avoid court. They got the best possible outcome short of the suit being dropped. They wanted this to go away because it’s a PR nightmare. That is why it’s a win for them. They paid a pittance and now it’s gone.

  5. Just think, if Taylor fell to us at #13 and we took him our offensive line is better day one than it was last year.

    • naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

      yep and i would do that.
      I would lose sleep over our DL though.

      If we did that, who would be left on the DL in the 2nd?

      • maybe Simmons drops to the 2nd. At DE there’s still plenty to be had. Omenihu will probably be there. Anthony Nelson is probably going in the 3rd. He’d be a good addition. Joe Jackson. Some people think Zach Allen could fall to the 2nd.

  6. An NFL settlement paid to Kaepernick, in no way insinuates or proves Kaepernick did anything wrong.. it only proves the NFL had enough money to cover it or wouldnt have offered, lol. And it suggests heavily the NFL did not want to go to court. Who makes settlements if You want to go to court?
    If Kaep did wrong, and was proven in court to be wrong, then I’d say, damn the dudes wrong, but that never happened

    To continue vilifying Kaep, we are only doing what the NFL did, and it cost them millions of dollars to settle. I see no point to it

    • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

      You are correct that the settlement doesn’t prove Kaep did anything wrong.

      You are also correct that the settlement suggests the NFL didn’t want to go to court. That is the LAST thing they wanted. Even if they won, it was still the last thing they wanted, this to be dragged out for months or years.

  7. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    Nobody will ever really know if the owners colluded or not. I personally don’t think it took collusion for most of the owners to come to the same decision not to sign him. I wouldn’t have. The talent didn’t warrant the circus. If he was a Marino talent, then he gets signed, but he’s not, so he didn’t.

    But whether they colluded or not doesn’t matter in regards to the settlement. Clearly there wasn’t enough evidence of collusion or the case would have moved forward. That was the game being played.

    Kaep wanted to prove his case, get paid, and drag the NFL through the mud. That only happens with a huge payout or a case in court.

    The NFL wanted to shut Kaep up, fix their PR problem, and save money. Their best case scenario was a dropped case or a small settlement.

    How did it play out?

  8. BailBondMike's avatar BailBondMike says:

    I traded back in the 5th to gain a 6th but didn’t realize I was also giving up a 7th. Dammit, got to read the fine print. LOL
    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 13: Oliver, Ed, DT, Houston (A)
    Round 2 Pick 16: Ferguson, Jaylon, DE, Louisiana Tech (A-)
    Round 3 Pick 14: McGovern, Connor, C/OG, Penn State (A+)
    Round 4 Pick 14: Grier, Will, QB, West Virginia (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 26 (IND): Brumfield, Garrett, OG, LSU (A+)
    Round 6 Pick 21 (G.B.): Hardman, Mecole, WR, Georgia (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 20: Homer, Travis, RB, Miami (FL) (A+)

  9. Take a look at the Pats roster. There’s no high draft picks playing DT for them and but for the Bennett signing they really didn’t have much at DE either.

    I didn’t realize this but they only had 30 sacks last year. One less than we had. Amazing.

  10. Randy's avatar Randy says:

    lou,
    NE also scored 27 points a game. We scored about 20. Big difference in what your defense needs to do. We couldn’t outscore anybody, so our defense was always under pressure. NE could, so they could play defense differently.

    • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

      You would also think the Pets were playing from ahead most of the time which means the other team has to pass more often. Usually playing from ahead means the pass rush gets to pin its ears back more. 30 sacks a pretty surprising stat in that regard.

  11. Randy's avatar Randy says:

    Wasn’t that $10M settlement for Kaep and another guy, so they split the money?

  12. Articles claim they received almost Ten mil, but I cAnt find Ny proof they split it or got it individual.

    All I am certain of is the NFL doesn’t want us to know, that’s why the hush non disclosure greements, and wants us to keep supporting them with our money

  13. ElephantRider's avatar ElephantRider says:

    Why is Krapernick always brought up? He was benched for Blaine “the real American” Gabbert. That’s when all this started happening. How on earth is a guy that is benched for Gabbert every option for any team looking for a QB? I’ll never understand it.

    • For the record, his name is Kaepernick , , and QB are the discussion of the day, Miami needs one.
      We are discussing available options, is that ok? lol
      But , realistically the chances of him coming to Miam would have to be in the abysmal range 😎
      So I wouldn’t get out my omg shirts yet

      • ElephantRider's avatar ElephantRider says:

        If you view him as an available option, great.

        And for the record, I know his name. I guess it is selective who you can use goofs on names around here with you.

      • I understand, but I do think it’s important to respect others, with their name.

        We can always say we don’t like the guy, that’s not it.
        If We ever met Kaepernick in person, We would expect him to show us some respect, at the least not call is goof derogatory names, right?
        I would hope he would, I know I wouldn’t disrespect him, he’s never done anything to Me

        But next subject, lol. I’m out of opinions here 😎

      • ElephantRider's avatar ElephantRider says:

        He gets no respect. That is what he has earned with me.
        His “message” is one subject. His actions and comments are another….

      • Its obvious You dont want to respect him, and that’s ok I guess.

        But I will not be part of any process that I feel may dehumanize someone.

        I’ve seen instances in history that didn’t turn out well, that started with the rights taking away, dehumanizing, etc

        I’m for American citizens rights, I’m not for big greedy corporations that have nefarious agendas against all of Us, not do I support divisive politicians.

        They are paid by us and should represent us, period

        Maybe Beto can turn Texas blue, get elected in 2020, and the hate era ends, who knows.

        But Beto is right, We are all Americans, and need to remember that

  14. herdfan's avatar herdfan says:

    I haven’t checked in here for awhile. Been really busy with work. I figured there’d be porn streaming on here by now. 😳😂😳😂

  15. Does Anyone like Quinnen Williams, Alabama DT for our number 13 pick?

  16. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    Mike E:
    I think the locker room aspect of the Kaep situation is not really an issue. There has never been any reports that Kaep was a bad team mate or a disruptive influence and someone who didn’t practice. I think he was blackballed because he took an unpopular position that was costing the owners money and that is the difference with Ali. Ali was still tremendously popular and he made the sport lots of money

  17. I think, and I can understand this, we have a lot of fans who are still stuck in the mindset this is the same team it’s been for the past 3 regimes but i’m not looking at it that way.

    You look at the Jets and there’s turmoil starting already with reports that Gase is having arguments with the scouting department and Williams is pissing people off as well.

    Personally, and it’s JMHO, I think we’ve turned the corner in that respect and that we’re beyond that now. People are going to check their egos at the door and I truly believe, like everyone has been saying in the interviews, they are all aligned in their vision of what the team will be going forward.

    There’s something to be said for drafting talent but there’s something to be said for the people who can find the right talent and can coach that talent to be better than others thought it would be and I’d rather have a top 5 coaching staff and front office than a bunch of high draft picks any day because I think those guys can find talent just about anywhere and bring out the best in that talent.

    A team of 11 guys on offense and 11 guys on defense will beat a top GUY on offense or defense any day.

  18. Poor Quinnen Williams, nobody loves a nose tackle, lol

    I’d be ok with Williams at 13, Suh is gone and we need beef in the middle

  19. Williams highlights at Bama

  20. ElephantRider's avatar ElephantRider says:

    David

    You wont be a part of dehumanizing someone? Maybe you should look into the “man” you are defending. You are selective in what you see. It’s a 2 way street…… i’m not going to waste my time any further, itll be for nothing anyway.

  21. Heres another defensive lineman Miami may be interested in ,
    Christian Wilkins from Clemson U

  22. Wilkins appears as if he could play any position on the DL t.

    We could play him anywhere, or move him around during the game, hoping to find gaps or seams where he can make the plays behind the los

  23. BailBondMike's avatar BailBondMike says:

    No one really talks about Williams because everyone knows he will be gone in the top 3-5 picks. No chance he falls anywhere near #13.

  24. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    Sheesh, freakin’ Christian Yelich won 3 games against the Cards pretty much single handed, smh.

  25. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Ken – You don’t think teammates will take exception that the Kaep story and the media following the team around and constant questioning from reporters about Kaep instead of the team will happen? What NFL coach would want to deal with that? I think you guys are totally simplifying things here. Why hasn’t any NFL team signed him? Do you think big bad Goodell is forbidding teams to sign him? No one wants to have that circus, and while there are some teammates that might be sympathetic with his cause there may be a bunch that aren’t as well. Too much of a headache

  26. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

  27. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 13: Oliver, Ed, DT, Houston (A)
    Round 2 Pick 16: Little, Greg, OT/OG, Mississippi (A-)
    Round 3 Pick 14: Nelson, Anthony, DE, Iowa (A+)
    Round 4 Pick 14: Herbig, Nate, OG, Stanford (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 13: Wingard, Andrew, SS, Wyoming (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 19: Guyton, Jalen, WR, North Texas (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 20: Armstead, Ryquell, RB/FB, Temple (A+)

  28. naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

    Then there’s DE
    another horrific nightmare scenario on the Dolphins roster.

    Let’s see … we have the 6’3 236 Charles Harris. Since he was a first round sack artist, he should have 8 his rookie year and 10 the next. oh wait … he only has 3 in 2 years.
    But wait he has 23 tackles … in 33 games? No INTs no FF

    I’m not giving up on him though.

    Surrounding him with talent, we also have Woodard, Carradine, and Valoaga. Holy Shit !
    We have no starting DEs on our roster the day before the spring workouts begin.

    ZERO

  29. naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

    We have 11 CBs, 7 with starting experience in the league.

    No need to draft a corner unless you want to finish last.

  30. naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

    We have 2 Centers, Kilgore and a PS guy. So if we see a good young c who has slid into the 5th, we should probably take him.

  31. naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

    Wyo
    I love that draft man.
    Let’s do that.
    (Guyton got himself kicked off the Notre Dame team though. Why was that?)

    I guess it’s a low risk high reward pick at that late spot. He has definite skills.

  32. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Mike E
    You can put me down for never hearing his name again!

    I would like the Fins to fly him in, then drop him off in a Cuban neighborhood with his Castro T-shirt on!!!!!! 😉

  33. naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

    Me being a Clemson alum, I do love christian Wilkins and would not mind if we got him, but i really think he has a bit of a ceiling and a bit of a wash out risk to him.

    Not sure why I’m worried about his career, but I think for us the other Clemson interior guy Dexter Lawrence 6’4 342 would be a better fit and will have the better pro career.

    A good guy to draft late or sign as a UDFA is that sub DL who came in on rotation for those two guys. Take a look at some film on this guy: from Walter football
    Albert Huggins, DT, Clemson
    Height: 6-2. Weight: 305. Arm: 33.50. Hand: 10.63.
    40 Time: 5.12. 10-Yd: 1.81. Three Cone: 7.84.
    Bench: 35. Vertical: 25.5. Broad: 8-5.
    Projected Round (2019): 4-6.
    3/23/19: Huggins would have been a starter at most schools, but with Christian Wilkins and Dexter Lawrence ahead of him, Huggins was relegated to being a rotational backup. As a senior, he totaled 23 tackles with 2.5 sacks and 3.5 tackles for a loss. Huggins recorded 22 tackles with 1.5 sacks as a junior and three sacks as a sophomore. He has enough size, quickness, and athleticism to be a rotational backup in the NFL.

  34. naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

    Watch #67 especially in the pruple about halfway through the tape.
    He’s very nimble and can tackle RBs and QBs in space.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuwr-nPTH2s

  35. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Not having a RT or a DE makes it tough to go BPA!
    I wish we would have kept James! Even on a short term high pay contract!

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 13: Williams, Jonah, OT, Alabama (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 16: Ferguson, Jaylon, DE, Louisiana Tech (A-)
    Round 3 Pick 14: Benzschawel, Beau, OG, Wisconsin (A)
    Round 4 Pick 14: McCoy, TJ, C, Florida (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 13: Johnson, PJ, DT, Arizona (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 19: Renfrow, Hunter, WR, Clemson (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 20: Armstead, Ryquell, RB/FB, Temple (A+)

  36. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Ken – I don’t deny his talent. He may be better than at least 3-4 starters and many backups, but like I said, it’s not just the talent, it’s the circus that comes with him. He’s also been out of the sport for a long time now, so that has some bearing on the situation as well. Believe me, if Jerry Jones or Robert Kraft wanted to sign Kaep, they would sign him. They don’t answer to Goodell or anyone else for that matter.

    • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

      Hey man, I’m the original Kaepersniffer! His time has come and gone, all due to him and his stance. He did this to himself, and he has no one else to blame, and he also has $10M of nuisance money from the NFL to console him.

      • Well, technically Eric Reid also sued the NFL, it wasn’t just Kaeprnick bringing it by himself.

        Bottom line is, they both took the NFL,s money in settlements, maybe the NFL will treat players differently next time. They brought that on themselves, pay the Men NFL

    • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

      Mike,

      Baltimore was also reportedly close to signing him, had contacted him, then his girlfriend made nasty, racist comments/implications about Ray Lewis and the owner. That happened, but it gets forgotten. The NFL didn’t make his girlfriend nix that deal, and it’s hard to believe she did that without talking to him about it. It seemed pretty contrived to me.

      http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20597810/ray-lewis-said-baltimore-ravens-sign-colin-kaepernick-girlfriend-racist-tweet

      The timing of that was what started me believing he doesn’t really want to play football anymore. The rumors of astronomical $$$ demands reinforces it.

      I’ve said it before, if it came out irrefutably the owners did blackball him, I wouldn’t be shocked. I don’t disbelieve the accusation out of some some silly sense that these are moral people, lol. Far from it, they are high -powered business men, most are probably as dirty as it gets. I just don’t think it was necessary to all agree to not sign him because I think it was a combination of things that equaled that. And evidence appears to be that a couple of teams MIGHT have signed him, Seattle and Balt, but he made sure they didn’t.

  37. if Colin was trying to ink uo in Balty, then why did she say anything?
    not much of a girlfriend to badmouth potential employers, at the same time, her man is applying for work

    who needs gf like that, lmao maybe shes good at doubles scrabble?

    • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

      She is still the only person in recorded history to play a triple word score with the word oxyphenbutazone for a whopping 1778 points!

  38. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    ElephantRider says:
    March 31, 2019 at 3:38 pm
    Why is Krapernick always brought up? He was benched for Blaine “the real American” Gabbert. That’s when all this started happening. How on earth is a guy that is benched for Gabbert every option for any team looking for a QB? I’ll never understand it.
    ————–
    ^
    Post of the day! And now I’ve gotta post the obligatory video again… LOL

    • its true Gabbert beat him out once, but Kaep also had to deal with a new coach, shoulder,thumb, and knee injuries

      but he also won his job back from Gabbert, and played well, and even the last game he came to Miami he took it to the goal line before ALonso denied him. almost beat us, but we barely survived
      he played at a high level earlier too, broke a record in a nFC championship game, so its not like he cannot play, hes proven he can

      what he hasnt proven is whether or not he can come back from a 2 year layoff, who knows what shape hes in. the NFL is highly demanding of peak condition

      • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

        He’s done, Brah. And your last paragraph says it all.

        He had a chance to re-establish his value by going to the AAF (he refused the contract offered to him), and I don’t think his heart is in football any longer.

      • im preferring We trade up for Drew Lock, i dont believe Colin Kaepernick is the long term answer for us

  39. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    And who backed up The Real American in Jax? Chad Henne!

    You guys remember this classic?!! LOL

    • henne is old toast, he got run out of town in Miami, beat out by Bortles, and now Bortles got beat out by Foles

      its the way of the NFL, the constant. consistant franchise QBs, are few and far between, we sure dont have one, but there may be one in the draft

      • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

        Truth be told, Henne looked pretty good once The Real American went down due to injury. It was short-lived, but he was a lot better than The Real American, IMO.

      • not sure You remember the game, but we were up on Cleveland in the fourth quarter, and henne tossed picks and fumbled an easy win against a then doormat team.

        i gave up on Henne , THAT DAY

        at that time,
        nobody wastes a fourth quarter lead against the lowly browns, unless You are totally inept.

  40. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    David C (@DolphinsSB52) says:
    March 31, 2019 at 7:51 pm
    im preferring We trade up for Drew Lock…
    ————-
    I’m pretty much cool with whatever Grier and our FO decides to do. My preference is to wait until next year to get our QB of the future, allowing Ryan Fitzpatrick to hold it down for a year or two. But I’m not picky in this rebuilding year.

    Just stock up on the ‘meat and potato’ players and allow the chefs to cook.

  41. i could never get it out of my head.

    what kind of QB blows a two score fourth quarter lead over the lowly browns?

    the only answer that came to My mind, was backup QB, for some one else, lol
    because a starting QB , doesnt do shit like that

    that came out to be true, as he became the backup in Jax

  42. here ya go,,

    blast from the past,

    BRIAN BELKO
    SEPTEMBER 27, 2011

    With a last-minute chance to lead his team to victory, Dolphins quarterback Chad Henne came up short.

    After the Browns scored their final touchdown, an excessive celebration penalty and a horse collar tackle by the Browns gave Miami the ball near midfield. All Henne had to do to give his team a great shot at victory was move the ball into field goal range.

    Instead, he threw three straight incompletions and on fourth down threw an interception that sealed his team’s fate. Unlike McCoy, Henne couldn’t deliver when his team needed him the most.

    I knew the Henne era would soon be over, just not soon enough for my tastes

  43. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    David,

    The Henne-era in Miami has been dead for a long time, man! I just posted the Henne song for a trip down memory lane… and it was FUNNY! 🙂

  44. interesting footnote ,
    Gabbert signed for a year with the bucs,
    Henne isnt in the NFL anymore

  45. Johnny Manziel, playing in his third league, the AAF , left his game with a head injury against the Orlando team yesterday. he tossed an interception, then got knocked out of the game

    this dude seems cursed, lol

    • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

      I think Manziel has been a class-A douchebag for most of his life, but he’s facing real demons what with bipolar disorder and addiction issues. I hope for his sake and his family’s sake that he can put it all together and live a good life.

      I find myself rooting for him, though I’m not a big fan of his.

  46. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Wow… more Kaepernick talk. Nothing about him fits the criteria of the type of player this team is looking for. Especially at QB.

  47. Okay, here’s a hypothetical based on that last minute situation David just posted above with Henne.

    We have the ball on our own 35 with 1:30 remaining in the game. We have a good offensive line that gets the job done so we’re not looking at the same shit we’ve been so the qb will have time to make the throws. Again, it’s a hypothetical.
    All we need is a FG to win the game.

    Which qb do you want running the offense:

    Drew Lock
    Daniel Jones
    Dwayne Haskins
    Jarrett Stidham

    and why?

  48. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

  49. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

  50. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

  51. BailBondMike's avatar BailBondMike says:

    Wyoming, I watched that whole ND vs Stanford game. Tillery was virtually unstoppable. He had 4 sacks from the DT position going up against Stanford’s best offensive lineman. That is why I never picked Herbig in any of my mocks. Tillery reminds me of another Vincent Taylor but a little better. He is just as good against the run as he is in pass rush as a DT. Many teams double teamed him. Stanford didn’t and it showed big time.

    • BailBondMike's avatar BailBondMike says:

      He is also very disciplined in that he sticks with his assignment whether it’s maintaining his gap or stunting.

    • BailBondMike's avatar BailBondMike says:

      Actually, I shouldn’t say best OL because if I remember correctly, they were moving Tillery around a lot that game.

  52. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    Tom Pelissero
    @TomPelissero1m
    1m1 minute ago
    #Raiders are sending QB David Carr and 2020 first round draft pick to #Dolphins in exchange for Dolphins’ pick no.13 this year and QB David Fales, according to source. Raiders now with 4 first round picks in 2019 #NFLdraft.

  53. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    M – That was good except Fales wasn’t on our roster. 🙂 AFD!!!

  54. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    M – I’d be awfully disappointed with that deal for a multitude of reasons. I don’t want Carr, and I want to draft a QB, not pick one who is already a James Bond vodka martini, shaken, not stirred. lol

    • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

      I’d be very disappointed with that deal as well for many reasons, including the reason you just stated. LOL

  55. ElephantRider's avatar ElephantRider says:

    Lol @ M!

  56. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

  57. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    LOL @ MF13.
    Before I even opened the site today, I reminded myself, “Don’t fall for it.”

  58. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Sounds like a good trade…
    For me to poop on

  59. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    Man, I’m seeing some pundits who are REALLY HIGH on Brian Burns, EDGE, Florida State. As I stated last week, I’m comparing him to Dion Jordan (WITHOUT the mental issues or shoulder issues).

    From PFF: “Burns racked up the most pressures of any Power-5 defender in the country last year with 69”. That is VERY significant.

    Some (including myself) feel that he’s already maxed out his frame at 249… again, like Dion Jordan. That doesn’t mean he can’t put on more weight (like Dion Jordan did), but it’s going to hurt him and his resounding 4.53 speed.

    If we want an edge-setting DE who can additionally rush (see William Hayes, who I think Clelin Ferrell compares favorably to), Burns isn’t our guy. But if we want a pass-rushing terror, Burns is our guy. All JMO.

  60. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    I think I’m beginning to narrow it down, as to who our pick could be @ R1P13… and yes, that means BPA (which is going to mesh with many needs).

    So far, I’ve got 3 names who I think could be available to us…
    Jonah Williams, Clelin Ferrell, and Brian Burns.

    No, I do not believe Ed Oliver will last to R1P13… but we can always hope.

    • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

      And NO, I do NOT believe we’ll try a trade up. We’re trying to stockpile picks, not trade them away.

      And NO, I do NOT believe we’ll try a trade down. If ya love somebody in the Draft, take him. Too much of a risk losing that prospect, even if trading down a couple/few spots.

      I think we’re going to have one helluva prospect there for us @ R1P13.

    • Phindog's avatar Phindog says:

      I was going to reply to you but I see you already did 🙂

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      I would put Christian Wilkins in there too.

      • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

        He could be a sleeper pick in the 1st round, to be sure. Very good prospect.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        He fits the multiple to play 3-4 DE and 4-3 DT. Big body, team leader and high character guy.

  61. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    April 1, 2019 at 2:28 pm
    He fits the multiple to play 3-4 DE and 4-3 DT. Big body, team leader and high character guy.
    ————-
    No doubt. And IF we’re going to attempt to replicate what the Patsies* do, that’s the type of player we’re looking for, IMO. As such, I think we’d take Clelin Ferrell over Brian Burns… Ferrell can move all over the D-Line, while Burns is more of a 1-trick pony as a pass-rusher.

  62. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

  63. BailBondMike's avatar BailBondMike says:

    M13, I feel there are a few great players who will slide to our picks both in the 1st and 2nd that, IMO, those first 2 picks will be great for us no matter what. Also, I feel we have obvious needs at DE, OL, and DT so if we go BPA it’s going to fill one of those needs anyway. IMO, it’s just the way this draft is stacked up with DT/DE talent.

    BTW, did you like that last draft I did on “First Pick”? 1,2,3,4,5 – DT Ed Oliver, DE Jaylon Ferguson, C/OG Connor McGovern, QB Will Grier, OG Garrett Brumfield. Went WR and RB with the last 2. I did not get an OT but still think this would be stellar.

    • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

      Absolutely agreed on your first paragraph!

      Your last draft on “First Pick”? I LOVE IT! I think we need an O-Linemen earlier, though. That, and I highly doubt we’re going to have Oliver drop to us in the 1st, nor Ferg in the 2nd (I think he goes late 1st). But yes… I LOVE IT, Brother!!!

      • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

        BB Mike,

        You are probably the most aligned thinker to me on this board… I really appreciate your input, always!

  64. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    I liked that draft I saw the other day where we traded back late 1st RD and took DT Jeffery Simmons. That would be great 1st pick, not necessarily for this season, but he would be a monster for us next season and beyond.

    • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

      Let it be known… I’d LOVE a short trade down to acquire more picks! I just don’t see it in reality.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      It’s funny and I agree with you. I believe Omar said he’s not the kind of player we can draft and stash him away for half a season or the entire year but the Pats can. I look at it that we can do that being that we’re not built to win yet. The Pats need players to help them compete for a championship again.

      I know there will be media and fans who bitch that now our 1st rd pick isn’t even playing. But that’s just another example of people not understanding what’s happening here. If Simmons is a beast in 2020 all is good. Too many people are focused on we have to have this and that this year. We need to add good players to build on, we don’t have to have any one particular position to play this year.

    • I wouldn’t be upset over that either. Pick up at least a 3rd and possibly a 4th or 5th and we could still get an offensive lineman in the 2nd,come back in the 3rd and get a DE like Anthony Nelson in the 3rd and then go offensive lineman in the 4th.

    • I actually put that on Twitter as a poll. If it weren’t for his ACL he’s a possible top ten pick. He has a chance to be an elite DT talent for some years.

  65. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Our DL coach Marion Hobby was Co-defensive coordinator/defensive ends coach at Clemson in 15 and 16. He knows Wilkins who is a senior and some of the other Clemson DL in this draft. He’s a good insider for us with those guys.

  66. I love it when people say the Browns did it right. Really? And Joe Schad says it started with a DE one year and a QB the next? Really?

    Last year they had two 1’s including the #1 and #4 and two 2’s. In 2017 they had three 1st rd picks and 10 picks total.

    In 2016, they had 6 picks in the top 100, 14 picks total, 3 picks in the 3rd rd, 4 picks in the 4th rd and 4 picks in the 5th.

    In 2015, they had 12 total picks with multiple picks in every rd except for rd 2, including 2 picks in each the 1st, 3rd & 4th rds.

    Then, in 2014 & 2012 they had 2 picks in the 1st rd.

    But, they did it right.

    People make it sound like the Browns tanked in order to get those high first rd picks. They didn’t tank, They just plain sucked.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      The Browns are the new hype, get used to it. LOL

      • Even their HC said “we have a good looking team on paper. Whoopdie Dilly Ding Dong”. Okay, I changed the last part but it was something like that. lol

      • ElephantRider's avatar ElephantRider says:

        That’s what i’m saying. Dorsey was handed all the money and the picks, yet he is treated like hes a genius that already has won a SB for them. The Browns sucked for years, eventually you have to start hitting on picks and spending the money….

  67. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    Lou,

    In all fairness, you are the only one on this board who has been hysterically referencing the Browns over the last 2 years. Don’t know why you’re doing a 180 at this point, being you’ve been with them and their dealings for so long.

    • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

      And when I say “hysterically referencing the Browns over the last 2 years”, I’m talking about you cheering them on for the positive.

      • That’s not what I’m talking about. There’s a big difference between what I was saying and people who are saying the Browns tanked the last two seasons in order to get high draft picks and say that’s what we should be doing.

        I know the Browns have been sucking. Difference with me was I was saying they had a better chance because of all the picks they had over the past two years and, yeah, their roster was getting better. I never said they “tanked” on purpose in order to get the first pick in the draft the past 2 yrs.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      I think what he meant is they weren’t tanking under Hue Jackson and their poor front office, they were just bad. Hue Jackson was trying to win.

  68. D's avatar D says:

    Mike E. says:
    April 1, 2019 at 12:35 pm

    You shouldn’t have cut down your nose tackle tree in your back yard!
    ———————————————
    And murdered those poor squirrels.

  69. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

  70. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

  71. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Guys – This is my son’s friends brother’s band, he’s the bass player. Tell me what you think. We just saw them in Asbury Park on Saturday night, really enjoyed it. I think they have a big future. Be honest though . . .

    https://www.newjerseystage.com/articles/2019/03/27/makin-waves-record-of-the-week-tilted-directions-by-vendetta-rose/

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      I like it, they’re playing their instruments well. Not a big fan of the singer but not saying he’s bad. He sounds like a lot of other singers in this genre. He does feel the music though. For me I always look for unique singers.

      I’d give them a B+ based on the music they’re playing at a young age.

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        The singers voice resilience impressed me. He was really letting loose, and yes, he has a little bit of that raspy scream in some songs, but then sounds nice and clear the next song with no ramifications. I don’t know how they do that.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        I’m going by these recordings. You saw the singer live which is the best barometer and he might be getting better and more refined. They’re a good young band, they sound professional. I gave them a B+. LOL

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Mike, 2nd rd talent at this time. 😉

    • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

      Definitely gives me a late 80s feel… that’s NICE, coming from me! Too much on the high end, making my ears bleed (but I can FEEL dog-whistles, so take that for what it’s worth).

      I’d say pretty darned good, actually! But in this day and age??? I’m not sure what I’ve heard (but it’s only ONE song!) translates to modern day pop hits.

      Yes… the talent is certainly on display(!), and I think that’s what truly matters. Now, they just need to find a modern producer/arranger. JMO, Bro Mike E. I wish these cats the best of success in their future!

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        Thanks M – I think there are 2 songs there. “Silent Letter” and “Over and Under” My son’s friend is an aspiring actor and he’s in the video “Over and Under”. If you missed one, check out the other. “Over and Under” was their first single release. They have a little Rush, Coheed and Cambria type sound.

  72. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    Mets marlins tonight. dann stinky ass Mets. where’s marlins fan?

  73. Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

    I read an article off phinswire about remaining players having $10MM cap hit…. this year beyond.

    RJ over next 4 years
    Minkah off rookie K
    Bobbie McCain…slot cover

    RJ brings so much more value being on the team than off, imo, rebuild or not. His choice. We can find his replacement later.

  74. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Our current defense:
    DE
    Jonathan Woodard
    Tank Carradine
    Jeremiah Valoaga

    DT
    Davon Godchaux
    Akeem Spence
    Vincent Taylor
    Jamiyus Pittman
    Kendrick Norton

    Edge/Hybrid
    Charles Harris

    LB
    Kiko Alonso
    Raekwon McMillan
    Jerome Baker
    Chase Allen
    Mike Hull
    Quentin Poling
    James Burgess
    Sam Eguavoen

    CB
    Xavien Howard
    Eric Rowe
    Bobby McCain
    Cordrea Tankersley
    Torry McTyer
    Cornell Armstrong
    Jalen Davis
    Dee Delaney
    Jomal Wiltz
    Chris Lammons

    DB
    Minkah Fitzpatrick
    Walt Aikens

    S
    Reshad Jones
    T.J. McDonald
    Maurice Smith

    What jumps out at you for need? I see Edge/Hybrid . BPA for sure but keep that position in mind. LOL

  75. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Tim – Thanks for the feedback. Like you said, they’re pretty young. They have plenty of time to learn and improve. The lead singer is 16, Kyle, the bass player is 19, not sure about the others, I think somewhere in between.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      They’re very good at that age. I wish them the best!

    • D's avatar D says:

      Yeah the singer has a stronger voice than you would expect from a 16 year old. I thought they were pretty good. The guitarist especially I thought was good. Drummer was pretty good. The vocalist cracked a few times but he has a good strong voice especially for that genre. Im pretty impressed personally

    • Phindog's avatar Phindog says:

      Mike. I think they are very talented for their age and will only get better while they grow and experience life. Musically they rock and play off each other good. Once the lead singers balls drop the sound will change a bit but I think the band will easily adjust. I like their sound. 😎👍🐕🎸🎼

  76. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    I thought they were pretty cool Mike

    But I would like to hear a few oinks worked into the chorus of their song
    🐷🎶

  77. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    the Heat still hanging on to the #8 spot after a disappointing loss to @ celtics a game and a half separates the #6 seed thru 9 and out of those 4 teams only 3 will make the post season.

    • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

      with only 5 games left

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      I would rather be in the lottery

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        The Knicks probably won’t get the lottery right. They’ll probably get the 3rd pick or some nonsense like that.

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        riley was talking the other day how he was on a phoenix team that barely made the 8 seed, they went on to win the western conf. he said just get in and anything can happen.

        besides i i think phoenix owns miamis 1st rnder for dragic trade

  78. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    LOL @ Doggy! My first thought was New Years Eve NYC, that’s when the ball drops.

  79. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    i was reading an article (” will miami finally let kenyan drake be the featured back”?)

    and they were quick to put the blame on gase for his absence in that dept LOL.

    the one who is responsible for not letting drake be the feature rb is drake himself. he can’t run btwn the tackles.

    will that change?

    i’d like to see it but i highly doubt it.

  80. The major thing the Browns did right, is pick the right players , that can actually help the team..
    Not only did they draft very well, but they didn’t play cheapskate and brought in quality free agents like Landry.

    That’s why browns are. Quote unquote, getting it right, and Miami, is well, just looking stupid

    The quality of the browns picks improved, and he FA quality improved, then the team improved, huh

    We could find a lesson in there somewhere if We look

    • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

      the lesson is maybe you should be a browns fan

      • That’s the lesson You got from why the browns picked right and Miami didn’t? That makes no sense.

        Then You missed it, but don’t feel bad, the FO missed it too,that why the team sucked last season.

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        “That’s why browns are. Quote unquote, getting it right, and Miami, is well, just looking stupid”
        ______________________________

        that comment doesn’t much sound like a miami fan, what have the brownies done? when was the last time they made the playoffs?
        #landry blows!

      • Have a great day, gotta make some coin this morning,

        Why aren’t You buying AVEO, it’s the easiest money ever

  81. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see the heat land jimmy butler this off season.

  82. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Pretty sure we were 6-10 with Landry in 2017. It’s also not about being a cheapskate, it’s having over $100M in cap money to throw away on a slot receiver. Now the Browns have the 2 brothers together, I pity Baker Mayfield if things don’t go well there, those 2 are going to drive him crazy!

    • But there are no news stories about Miami getting it right, just the browns

      I realize it’s tough to own up to when improvement isn’t needed, but there’s room for Imorovement in Miami, then maybe the talk will be about us

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        Pay attention, we’re in the beginning process of a rebuild, how can you expect a success story at this point? The Browns have been picking #1 for the last few years, were you giving them props then?

  83. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    Landry is a slot rec with limited speed, you put him wide and he can’t beat an nfl cb due to his lack of speed, you don’t give a guy like that 15 mil a year especially in the situation miami was in.

  84. Btw this is a pointless and boring argument You are making today, I’m. Moving on

    If You think Miami needs no improvement, fine, we agree to disagree. Not worth arguing over we don’t need improvement when we clearly do

  85. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    who said anything about “miami doesnt need improvement”?

  86. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    David – BTW – News stories about getting it right in April. What is that worth? Let’s see them get it right during the season and get to the SB because they’re so good.

    • I see what You are saying, The April aspect of the concept isn’t the getting it right part IMO,

      Most people noticed dramatic improvent in Cleveland last season, im guessing that’s what the fuss was about

      I guess the same folks may not have noticed all the improving in Miami. Maybe next year we will warrant it

  87. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    Oh, and the pointless and boring argument is the argument that YOU started.

    • Really? What was that. I didn’t start the argument, ORob did.

      I just made a simple statement, that You are now wanting to argue with? Lmao

      If You guys love arguing , have at it, I won’t argue

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        ocalarob says:
        April 2, 2019 at 9:04 am
        “That’s why browns are. Quote unquote, getting it right, and Miami, is well, just looking stupid”
        _______________________________________

        this is the post i had a problem with and i politely responded, if you want to call that an argument so be it, and if so it’s clear who started it.

  88. Buying more AVEO, damn that stocks radioactive

  89. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    SMH about some of these comments. I think most of you guys know what I mean.

    I was reading an article about autism myths, and I think it applies…

    • I agree, no arguments here, lol. I’m just having the greatest day of my life over here, and don’t feel like arguing, that’s really all it is on my part. Just chattin away killin time.

      I’m 90 minutes away from closing on a six figure net deal.

      I’m in the greatest mood here, thats a fact buddy.

      so I’ll just go deal with that, still got some mortgage papers to line up for my mortgage burning party 😎
      30 year mortgage cleared in 56 months, now I can buy another house

  90. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    I’m actually a little discouraged about the Browns trading away some of their young talent (Peppers and Ogbah) to get to where they are now

    They had 4 first round picks in 2016 and 2017 and only one is on the roster

    I know they have a lot of firepower on offense right now
    But I don’t love their recent drafts

  91. Btw Mike, I like the band!

  92. with a good entry and exit, You can double Your money in 5 days with AVEO

    If high performing stocks with future growth are for You, then check this rocket out

  93. ElephantRider's avatar ElephantRider says:

    S B J

  94. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    RTP at it again.

    (Rockphin Tradey Pants)

    YOUR TEAM
    MIAMI DOLPHINS
    YOUR PICKS
    1: R1P18 OT JONAH WILLIAMS ALABAMA
    2: R2P16 C GARRETT BRADBURY NC STATE
    3: R3P14 G CONNOR MCGOVERN PENN ST.
    4: R3P18 DL CHARLES OMENIHU TEXAS
    5: R4P14 DL TERRY BECKNER JR MISSOURI
    6: R4P19 EDGE SHAREEF MILLER PENN ST.
    7: R5P13 RB BENNY SNELL KENTUCKY
    8: R5P19 WR DARIUS SLAYTON AUBURN
    9: R6P15 LB BLAKE CASHMAN MINNESOTA
    10: R7P19 LB KHALIL HODGE BUFFALO
    11: R7P20 CB BLACE BROWN TROY

    BIG UGLIES

    • D's avatar D says:

      I limit myself to trade offers on first pick, that 1) Makes sense, like there is an appropriate value associated with the trade, 2) even if there is a better offer, but it doesn’t make sense, i choose the one that makes sense. 3) i usually dont do more than one just to keep it realistic. I also try to make sure i think about how the team would look at the scenario. for one, no way do i make a trade if there are players we have looked at, or brought in on a visit/workout is in the top remaining list. I also dont do trade ups unless i know we really covet a player and i think there is a good chance they are going to be gone. For this year, i wouldn’t do any trade ups for example. We aren’t in a position where losing picks is worth it for the prospect. I think the trades in that mock program are a good feature but you have to be real with them or the mock itself just makes you feel like we can come out of the draft with something more than we actually can.

      • D's avatar D says:

        BTW i get that you are just messing around and having fun, just thought id add my strategy/beliefs.

  95. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    we all argue our points here, we may not all agree on certain subjects and we voice our opposition. sometimes when arguing a point some of the arguers drift into other places having nothing to do with the previous argument.

    arguing isn’t bad, it’s very good as long as the arguers stay on the topic of argument.

  96. D's avatar D says:

    I wish they have a site where you could do mock drafts live against other armchair GM’s picking for their teams. Like one where once everyone picks their teams it queues you until matched with other people who were choosing for the other 32 and everyone just picks like you would in a normal draft (other than the taking 10 minutes to make a selection you knew you were going to make when the clock buzzed).

    • D's avatar D says:

      Like is SF is on the clock, it is going to be Bosa or Williams, and they will know before the draft which it is, and if Arizona shocks people and takes Bosa or Williams 1) they will know who they are picking. Its going to take them 10 fuckig minutes to make their selections even though they fucking know who they are picking. That shit is irritating. Oh but maybe they are fielding offers for the pick…doubtful. SF is close enough to win now they should make that pick, i doubt you see them trade to build for the future.

  97. D's avatar D says:

    BTW the Browns haven’t miraculously done anything they have sucked for damn near a decade to get to where they are now with the picks they have had. By most evaluations, they are WAY behind the curve on their “rebuild”. They finally took a QB and he showed some skills last year to help them think they are finally moving in the right direction. They used some of the 100’s of millions in cap space to add parts thats helping, but they were still 7-8-1 last year, a tad off of what we were and we had a pretty shitty season. There is no miracle in Cleveland, just laws of averages. Give a team a stepping stone long enough, eventually even a blind and handicapped one will find a way to use it.

  98. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    —————-
    Check out Charles Davis’ mock here. Look who we take, and who the two players are that go right after us. Remember the three players I mentioned yesterday who could be availed to us? Hmmmmmm!

    • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

      Oh yeah, and look who goes just before we pick…

    • D's avatar D says:

      Not to shit on your predictions, good call by you, but i think most of us have had those three players floating around 13. Thats why i dont buy the, nor am on the trade back bandwagon. There is going to be a really solid player that helps us more than having more picks. I could see any of those three at our pick, and probably a few others that Davis has listed above us, because they could flip into the spots the others are.

      • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

        It depends on who ya listen to, regarding Jonah, Clelin, and Burns… I see them all over the place from pundit to pundit.

        But to your second point, I absolutely agree with ya, D. Somebody is going to be there for us @ R1P13 that has STUD potential.

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        just because we pick a player at 13 doesn’t mean he will be great or even good, top 10 picks may be good 60% of the time, not only does trading back still gives us a chance at a good player, we have a cushion on multiple players if we get it wrong.

      • D's avatar D says:

        There are no guarantees about anything but not too long after 13, there seems to be a drop in talent, not that the other players aren’t good, but there will be one or 2, maybe 3, really elite prospects at 13. You cant expect any guarantees in anything, but id say the odds are in your favor that a guy at 13 pans out how you think he will a lot better than a guy at like 20 or 26. With the picks we are amassing for 2020, thats seems to be where we are targeting our deep dive into adding multiple players and filling out the roster. This year i think we need building blocks so that when 2020 is here, we are ready to add parts around them.

  99. bookman11's avatar bookman11 says:

    LOL @ER!!