Mandatory mini camp is now over, big tests will come in training camp

HC Brian Flores was happy to escape the first mandatory workouts without injury. So much so, he gave the team the day off once they completed their conditioning tests, cancelling today’s practice. Smart move for the young coach. End it on a high note, everyone is healthy. If you expected heated battles the last couple of days, that’s not what the mini camp was about. It’s beginning to lay a foundation of how things are done, and a little experimentation as well, but not a whole lot can be gleaned from practices without pads, so we’ll all have to be patient until the end of July when training camp comes around.

I’m looking forward to training camp, there should be some great competition this season. With a new Head Coach, there are no favorites, or as Coach Flores puts it “No sacred cows”. Everyone has a clean slate, so starting positions will be earned, no resting on laurels. We’ll get a much better idea as to where the QB’s are after training camp. I expect Josh Rosen to close the gap some, and then continue to do so through the preseason. The O-line is pretty much wide open with the exception of LT Laremy Tunsil. Should be some good battles between 3rd RD pick Michael Deiter and Chris Reed at LG. Daniel Kilgore will battle it out with Ryan Anderson and Chris Reed can also play C. Right guard looks to be Jesse Davis fighting it out with Shaq Calhoun and Kyle Fuller. Jesse Davis will likely be in the mix at RT as well along with veteran Jordan Mills and Zach Sterup.

On defense, so many things are happening with many players playing multiple positions. Seems like every S with also at a minimum be playing LB as well, and MInkah Fitzpatrick will be playing safety, slot corner, possibly outside corner as well as LB too. Many of the DT’s will also be playing DE in 3-4 alignments (Vincent Taylor, Davon Godchaux and rookie Christian Wilkins). A trio of LB’s return (Alonso, Baker and McMillan) plus returnees Chase Allen, Mike Hull and Quentin Poling. We should see participation from rookie Andrew Van Ginkle as well as Tyrone Holmes, Tre Watson and Sam Egauvoen. Charles Harris will hopefully flourish rushing the passer from both 4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB. Newcomers like Tank Carradine, Nate Orchard and Adolphus Washington will be in competition with Jonathan Woodard, Jonathan Ledbetter and Dewayne Hendrix.

I haven’t come to any conclusions from the mini camp, it’s just a starting point. The real work starts when the pads come on and at that point, things will start shaping up from there.



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755 Responses to Mandatory mini camp is now over, big tests will come in training camp

  1. manitobafinfan says:

    Stanger: yes if we do go would be a drive down fest week .. not this year though

  2. wyoming85 says:

  3. Tim Knight says:

    Stanger, yes I agree to do that drive to key West at least once. But I agree do it from Miami or at least Fort Lauderdale.

    • Mike E. says:

      How long a drive is it?

      • stangerx says:

        From Miami like 4+ hours, unless you hit weekend traffic times.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I felt like it was 5+ hours from Jupiter with a couple of quick stops along the way. The scenic drive is from Miami though. From Jupiter it’s typical highway driving with nothing much to see along the way. My unique experience was driving on our way back and seeing protests in Miami for Elián González and driving through them.

      • stangerx says:

        Maybe the 4+ is from here and 3+ from Miami. That would match up with your time from Jupiter. And until you hit the tip of FL it is pretty much highway stuff. After that is what is special…. if you hit those protests (a historic moment) sounds like you got off the highway though.

    • stangerx says:

      Another one like that is the Pacific Coast Highway from San Fran to LA…… and reason I put San Fran first is cause that puts you on the right hand side of the road.

  4. manitobafinfan says:

    Stranger : red fish grill stands a good shot. They have chicken 😊

    • stangerx says:

      It’s not all seafood, but key part is Bourbon Street is a tourist trap (surprise surprise), but that place is real good. and just at the start of it You’ll probably part at Pat O”Brien’s, but my advice would be eat somewhere else.

  5. Tim Knight says:

    Stanger, yeah the first time I drove it we picked up friends in Fort Lauderdale and it was 4+ from there.

    I think we got off the highway because of heavy traffic. Don’t remember exactly why, it was in 2000.

  6. naplesfan2010 says:

    If you take US 1 (and A1A I think) usually AKA Ocean Highway from Palm Beach and just keep trying to edge left (East) as you drive South, you will experience both old “Jackie Gleason” art deco boom Florida and the breathtaking billion dollar sky towers new this century, and never be more than a mile or two from the ocean.

    I even like to keep crossing bridges and causeways to get over to the islands and then cross back.

    This means salt air breezes and great seafood and “beach sights” to see.
    It’s slower than I-95, but it’s interesting and safer.

    Stanger and the other Miami guys can correct me on this.

  7. naplesfan2010 says:

    Hey Phelon is a herpetologist like a proctologist only from the front side?

  8. TryPod says:

    Turkey Point is the nuclear power plant located south of Homestead on the Atlantic side of Florida- you can see it if you use Card Sound Road to go to the Keys.
    I can’t tell you how many times I have taken the trip to the Keys on US1- dozens of times at least. Sometimes to Islamorada, sometimes to Key Largo and sometimes all the way to Mallory Square.

  9. The Flying Pig says:

    It’s a beautiful drive to key west
    It’s the only scenic drive in Florida…lol

    But it’s too long to be a day trip kind of thing

    • TryPod says:

      I don’t know; I think going up A1A from Jupiter up towards Rockledge and Cocoa Beach is pretty nice.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        That’s interesting – how long is that?

        A1A is not very practical for long rides but I can see why it might be scenic

      • TryPod says:

        Hmm- I’m not sure 2-3 hrs, maybe? Scenic, slow-paced, views of the ocean and intercoastal.. I always thought of it as a nice, picturesque drive when I lived in Miami.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Well yeah – driving next to the ocean is always nice

        I personally used i95 or i75 when traveling north just bc of time so I didn’t think of that

        The thing about the drive to key west, is there is only 1 road there

      • TryPod says:

        That’s the unnerving part to me, the one way in, one way out. Traffic backups, accidents, stuck drawbridges.. you can make it to KW in 3 hrs or 3 days- it’s a gamble!

  10. naplesfan2010 says:

    You definitely have to be in “touring” mode on that highway to Key West. One wreck can delay things a lot, but then a wreck on the interstate can bring that traffic to a crawl as well.

    We did go down one time for a “Big Weekend” event. Bumper to bumper the whloe way.
    But then again so are Big Game Day traffic jams as well. Just not for a hundred miles.

  11. pheloniusphish says:

    17 thru Lake Wales is Scenic (Orlando to Arcadia). Also 30 (I think) thru Ocala. Jupiter to Key West is 5 1/2 hours. From Miami it’s 3 1/2.

  12. The Flying Pig says:

    I just found out some tragic news

    I’ll set up the facts

    Last summer I enjoyed watching World Cup matches at a place called studio square which is a giant open air space with many many huge TVs, draft beers and street style food

    It is a really cool place in Astoria Queens

    And if you know anything about queens you will know it’s very diverse with people from all over the world living there

    For instance we have a pretty big Brazilian, Colombian, Croatian, Greek and Russian population around Astoria just to name a few

    So World Cup brings out a great international crowd

    And I look fondly on my weekends last summer ogling at international beautiful women and forgetting what the score was

    I have a World Cup bracket of my own in my own mind

    Ahhh…it was a great summer

    But the placed closed down recently
    (A tear falls from Piggy’s Eye)

    And even worse, it’s going to be replaced by a horrendous institution of oppression.

    An open air BBQ called Pig Garden

    Do thee people have no decency!

    • stangerx says:

      LOL — nice set up on that one Pig. And laughing at this: “The prior business had received a litany of complaints in its near decade-long run including disruptive noise levels during evening and early morning hours, public urination and crowds of disorderly and intoxicated people near the site.” Sounds like was your kind of place…. mine too. 🙂

  13. pheloniusphish says:

    The International crowd will still be there.

  14. Tim Knight says:

    Piggy, I worked on an independent film back in 99-02 with a good friend of mine. Hell Gate was one of our scenes. Beautiful day, long day – 14 hours, so we decided to go get some beers from a bodega to celebrate and sit in the local park. Also some South American nation was celebrating the Soccer World Cup for much of that time. We got fined and beers dumped by police. Then had to go back a month or so later to court and plead and/or pay this fine. We paid it.

    Funny thing is as we parked in the garage we saw a dude pissing in the parking garage. We then saw him in court for public urination. He did it again before his court appearance. LOL

  15. Rockphin says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    June 8, 2019 at 12:01 pm
    I like to think of myself as a dictator…The Flying Pig says:

  16. The Flying Pig says:

    Look at this travesty coming to my neighborhood

    (Piggy hides under a table)

  17. olddolphan says:

    FIRST PERIOD OF Tonight’s playoff hockey game had plenty of excitement. Bruins scored on a 2-man advantage and lead 1-0 after one period on a goal by Brad Marchant. Rat Face has scored in a total of 24 different playoff games in his career. Boston has won 23 of those games, including all 7 playoff games he’s scored in this year.

    IF this trend holds true, game 7 will be Wednesday Night in Boston. But this game is FAR,FAR from over!!

  18. wyoming85 says:

    College Baseball putting on a show tonight!

  19. CavalierKong says:

    No surprise the Bruins took game 6. Game 7 pays for all on Wednesday!

  20. ocalarob says:

    Yeah! Bruins rule, they are singing the Blues in st louis misery.

    let’s go WALLET!

    • CavalierKong says:

      I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t nervous about game 7. We’re so close, and as a Blues fan I’ve been conditioned to expect the worst.

  21. ocalarob says:

    manitobafinfan says:
    June 9, 2019 at 12:47 pm
    O Rob : I am assuming Turkey Point is the power plant at the edge of Everglades park ?

    see map below

  22. There is a high speed boat that goes from fort Myers and Naplesarea, and it goes directly to key west . I haven’t tried it yet because key west sucks, and I haven’t bothered to go for awhile,

    but the high speed boat sounds fun.

    This is a huge boat, can’t remember the name of it, but it goes from Naples to key west in less than an hour, and it’s usually loaded with strippers going from the mainland to KW for work

  23. The worst part of driving to KW, is when u get there, u can’t wait to get out of the car, BUT there isn’t anywhere to park. When I do go to KW, I don’t want my car there, it’s a liability

    I can get around on foot or rent a moped
    Mopeds can be parked almost anywhere, they are so small

  24. Rockphin says:

    This is another sucky part of the year. when there is no NFL news. If there is news, you don’t want it to be about your team because it typically means suspensions or arrests.

  25. pheloniusphish says:

    The high speed ferry to Key West takes 4-hours.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Not a bad way to get there. Just chill and take in the scenery, have some cocktails or whatever.

    • stangerx says:

      You sure you just ain’t fluffing the number to make people fly? Btw — my Miami to KW flight before fantasy fest had to be the most expensive ride per flight hour I ever took. Cost as much as to fly to DC normally and takes about as long as a piss would.

      • TryPod says:

        No shit, but in my Army days I once flew from FLL to MIA because it cost $29 extra on the ticket and a cab ride would have easily cost more.. that was back in the Air Florida days…

      • stangerx says:

        Shortest flight I’ve ever heard of — that’s like 25 miles. They must have been getting the plane there for another flight.

      • TryPod says:

        Probably, Stanger. I just remember we never got level- we were pitched nose-up the entire flight.

    • It feels like 2 hours if You are hanging out with strippers

  26. D says:

    CavalierKong says:
    June 10, 2019 at 10:52 am

    I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t nervous about game 7. We’re so close, and as a Blues fan I’ve been conditioned to expect the worst.
    Not to mention your a Dolphions fan, so you get year round training.

  27. Tim Knight says:

    Did you guys hear David Ortiz was shot in his native Dominican Republic. He’s stable but they had to remove parts of some of his organs.

    • D says:

      Yeah there is a video out there of it too. Pretty brutal. The people in the bar beat the shit out of the assailant too.

    • stangerx says:

      He was targeted for whatever reason. Wasn’t a robbery and whoever it was knew exactly who he was there to shoot. Makes you wonder if he crossed the local mob boss or something.

  28. The Flying Pig says:

    I think those key west express ferries leave from the west cost of Fla (ft Meyers)

    I don’t know any service like that from Miami, Ft lauderdale or Hollywood

  29. stangerx says:

    Least some of our OL picks have had at least long careers. Jerry was our 3rd round pick in 2010.
    Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter
    Bengals have signed former Giants’ OL John Jerry, per source.

  30. ocalarob says:

    I am a pilot, I use to have a cherokee 6 and a piper twin Aztec, flew out of Perry airport to the keys many of time in less than an hour for lunch, at the airport they have courtesy cars that you can borrow anytime when you fly in.

  31. Tim Knight says:

    The first time I ever flew was in a Cessna out of NJ and up the Hudson and over West Point and such. It was like being in a little Volkswagen.

    • Rockphin says:

      Air conditioning? Open the window. LOL

      • Tim Knight says:


        What was cool was when we flew over the Tappan Zee Bridge you could see a lot of the mansions in the hills of Westchester, NY that you wouldn’t know existed unless you drove up some of those roads and you probably wouldn’t get too close anyway because they’re gated. Those are the old money mansions.

  32. Mike E. says:

    Tim – I didn’t realize that area was Westchester. I thought it was Old Tappan, or even Sleepy Hollow, but I don’t know that area well at all. You’re talking those mountains or hills right next to the Tappan Zee Bridge?

  33. Mike E. says:

    Tim – OK, gotcha – Like I said, I don’t know that area well at all. I do know when you’re going from NJ to NY over the Tappan Zee, if you look to the right, there are winding hills filled with extremely expensive estates.

    • Tim Knight says:

      One of the wealthiest areas in the country. Historic area in our country’s history. The left side of the bridge is even wealthier. The super rich live in that area. Rural and isolated but not far from anything.

  34. stangerx says:

    Grew up not so far away and took the Tappan Zee all the time. Didn’t realize how many ultra-wealthy were there as passed by. But for sure that ain’t all of Westchester County….. New Rochelle is where used to go for dive bars.

    • Tim Knight says:

      It’s prime real estate off the Hudson, not far from the city to the Sotuh and to the North there are some beautiful rural areas Bear Mountain etc.

  35. bailbondmike says:

    Cubs broke out the broom this weekend on some team, can’t remember who.
    Cav, do you know who it was? 😉 Pay back for last weekend. lol

    • CavalierKong says:

      I guess turnabout is fair play, lol.

      • CavalierKong says:

        I apologize for not talking some smack when we swept ya’ll last week. It’s just kind of an old hat for us. 😉

      • stangerx says:

        Being a Cubs fan is like being a Pats fan these days. You saw who they signed. Who was that Reds fan on the board? Only person can even talk about sadly talking smack too.

      • CavalierKong says:

        Yeah, we’re a solid .500 team. I think the Brewers and Cubs will pull away as the season wears on.

  36. Tim Knight says:

    John Smoltz still likes the Mets in the NL East because of their pitching potential. They’re currently underperforming and just one game under .500. To me it’s that and staying healthy which this team has struggled with for years. I mean Cespedes has been gone forever and he’s the highest paid guy on the team sans deGrom.

  37. naplesfan2010 says:

    Sorry but what is the Fest date again?

  38. D says:

    stangerx says:
    June 10, 2019 at 5:39 pm

    Being a Cubs fan is like being a Pats fan these days. You saw who they signed. Who was that Reds fan on the board? Only person can even talk about sadly talking smack too.
    Pirates have seemingly always been that kind of team, streaks of success and then fall off the face of the earth. Thats my second favorite team in baseball, and probably my favorite player all time was a pirates player, but there are times when i look at their lineup and am quoting “Major League”, “who are these fucking guys”. Its seems everytime they get good, someone or something comes along and derails shit.

  39. naplesfan2010 says:

    “The 170 foot Key West Express Catamaran is our flagship vessel that is based out of the Ft. Myers Beach port of call. Built by Gulf Craft of Patterson, Louisiana, this jet drive-powered boat cuts through the Gulf waters at an average cruising speed of 34 knots.”

    It can be a rough ride though if you are the seasick type.

  40. The Flying Pig says:

    Used to ride my bike up to that area you area talking about

    Really nice ride

    Very bike friendly

    • D says:

      Hippie bake lover, why ride a bike when you can fly….

      • The Flying Pig says:

        To give my trotters some exercise

        Cant have skinny trotters and big muscly wings

        It’s weird

    • Tim Knight says:

      A friend of mine is a big bicycle guy, both road and mountain. A bunch of us went to a party at a friends house up in Stony Point, NY and he lives in Tenafly, NJ. His woman and other friends show up as I did and we say hey where’s Chris? She says: He’ll be here soon, he’s biking. We all say of course he is. That trek is about 30 miles of uphill riding. He’s a mad man!!! LOL

  41. D says:

    Mike E. says:
    June 10, 2019 at 4:50 pm

    Tim – OK, gotcha – Like I said, I don’t know that area well at all. I do know when you’re going from NJ to NY over the Tappan Zee, if you look to the right, there are winding hills filled with extremely expensive estates.
    A lot has changed since you an Ichabod hung out there and told ghost stories about crossing the bridge to scare the local kids.

  42. Tim Knight says:

    To get back to the Dolphins I say Jerome Baker takes a big step at being a playmaker. I think the coaches will use his speed, athleticism and nose for the ball to be a difference maker. He’s a good kid too. He wants to be great!

    • D says:

      He looked pretty good last year so yeah that’s what I hope happens too. What a player does in his second year to me is about the most important for judging his career. McMillan is slightly behind the curve as is Harris but I think both of them could take on pretty important roles next year and also make leaps

    • ocalarob says:

      I read Baker would be moved to the outside getting after the QB this year in the 3-4

  43. Mike E. says:

    D – Those stories were true!

  44. The Flying Pig says:

    baker exceeded expectations last year

    so if he builds on that – he’s going to be a very good player

  45. D says:

    ocalarob says:
    June 11, 2019 at 7:22 am

    I read Baker would be moved to the outside getting after the QB this year in the 3-4
    While i think he could do pretty good at that role, he isnt ideal there. On top of that, he is our best coverage LB, so i could see him at WOLB 4-3/3-4, but them still call for him to blitz in pressure situations. Kinda hybrid NLB/OLB

  46. D says:

    IMO you want Harris and Van Winkle as your pass rush OLB’s, where that is their role. Baker you want to use him more like a containment LB since he has sideline to sideline speed and in the Nickle or 3rd safety kind of role. To me this makes him a pretty pivotal player on the defense and its going to test his football IQ playing those roles. McMillan makes a better true ILB/MLB, he’s a instinctful downhill guy who is a gap penetrator, he has good speed to flow between tackles, but not a true sideline to sideline guy. Allen is much the same. Couple other guys like Hanks and Hull give us some depth there. Really good depth there actually.

    • D says:

      Alonzo can flow through several of those LB roles too, but i would treat him more like a SOLB than WOLB because his coverage is bad. Like i have said before, he has all the athletic ability to play that position but he is kinda football dumb, he find ball get ball LB, and not a read/react guy, he’s always a step behind coverage because of that.

      • stangerx says:

        Agree with your LB thoughts, but actually don’t think Alonso’s coverage is all that bad. In 3-4 at least could see him pretty much anywhere, but think SOLB and edge setting not his forte in a 4-3….. but then not like Baker is that either.

  47. stangerx says:

    Phins will be having joint practices with the Bucs in Tampa on Tuesday, August 13, and Wednesday, August 14 (both open to the public) . And they have the 2nd preseason game with the Bucs there starting 7:30 on Friday the 16th.

    Sounds like a chance for Fitz to see some old friends and for you folks around there to check out the team. Only been to one training camp session, but was interesting. And the combined one should offer more action.

  48. Mike E. says:

    Stanger – Alonso is pretty bad in coverage. He’s athletic enough to do it, but he’s always a few steps behind his guy for whatever reason. Don’t we always do joint practices with the Bucs every year?

    • stangerx says:

      I’ll go with you on that, even if always saw him as a Will rather than a MIke in a 4-3. But even if no doubt Baker can do it… will take Alonso over Raek in coverage. Not sure if Bucs are every year or our way or theirs, but has happened in the past. Think remember the Saints and Jags too though.

  49. Rockphin says:

    I hadn’t put this together from reading the schedule but this year we play two consecutive weeks in a row at MetLife Stadium. @Jets then @ Giants. I wonder if we will just stay two weeks in NY?

    BTW, this article says we have the 4th hardest schedule in the league this year while the Cheats have the easiest. (When you play the Dolphins, Bills and Jets twice each it does make your schedule “easier”)

    • Tim Knight says:

      And nobody knows which teams will take a step back making the schedule different than how it’s projected now. For instance this time last year if you had JAX on your schedule that was considered a tough game but they only won 5 games last year.

    • Mike E. says:

      The team is staying over at Tim’s place, it’s about 10 minutes from the stadium. That’s really nice of Tim

      • stangerx says:

        You guys do have 2 dates for NE Fest….. and sounds like an after party at Tim’s is an option.

    • there is not any valid reason for Miami to spend 2 weeks in NY or NJ IMO

      we dont have practice facitities in NY or NJ, and isolating players from their families for no reason would shoot team morale to hell

      its just a 150 minute flight from Newark to Miami

  50. D says:

    The deal with Alonzo vs McMillan in coverage is that Alonzo has the speed, and size to cover TE’s and RB’s out of the backfield, BUT his football instincts and smarts arent very good so by the time he diagnoses the play he is behind the coverage or he falls off too soo, etc. He recovers well so if he screws up there is a chance he can get back and defend the play, but against a good QB he is a huge liability in coverage. He handles the underneath stuff that is normally covered in zone, but anything more complex than that, no good.

    McMillan is the exact opposite. He has the instincts and he is fairly good at diagnosing plays. He just cant run with elite level TE’s or RB’s like Kamara, or McCoy, etc which just athletically outclass him. He an Alonzo both do their better coverage underneath in the short zone, though i would put McMillan as a better coverage guy in that area because at least he isnt behind the play almost instanly because he makes the right play diagnosis and reacts off the snap.

    • D says:

      MicMillan, however will always be limited in coverage for anything that requires him to run with a player across a zone or in man coverage.

  51. D says:

    I hadn’t put this together from reading the schedule but this year we play two consecutive weeks in a row at MetLife Stadium. @Jets then @ Giants. I wonder if we will just stay two weeks in NY?

    BTW, this article says we have the 4th hardest schedule in the league this year while the Cheats have the easiest. (When you play the Dolphins, Bills and Jets twice each it does make your schedule “easier”)
    IMO, those strength of schedule things are pure crap because they are determined based on the opponents last year record. So a team like the browns evaluates as a 7-8-1 team, despite the HUGE additions made and the likelihood they are a much improved team. There just isnt any way to factor that in and get a true strength of schedule.

    • it wasnt determined on last years schedule, instead, super bowl odds from Westgate.

      here is a paragraph from the article above,,,,,,

      First, we looked at Super Bowl odds from the Westgate Las Vegas SuperBook. Since the oddsmakers in Vegas seem to know what they’re doing, we incorporated their odds into our formula, which is why the Patriots have it so easy this season.

  52. D says:

    Pats twice, obviously affects us on our ranking, but rightfully so, they are a hard team to beat, especially twice in a year. Ravens made some big moves and added some nice pieces to an already pretty solid team. Chargers are at a make a move point with both talent and coaching, so they look to be a tough out, and even the easier teams on our schedule look to be ascending teams. Its going to be at least one of the top 5 toughest schedules. So i agree on their assessment of our schedule.

    However their assessment of the Pats seems off, simply because the same teams that accounted for our tough schedule are also on the Pats schedule and you cant just say oh they are easy teams now. It looks to me that the AFC East as a whole have a pretty tough schedule. We being in a re-building year might find that schedule tougher than they do but as how hard the opponents are on paper, there shouldn’t be such a big disparity between us and them, since you arent supposed to be considering the quality of your team against the opponent, just the opponent that your facingand how good they are.

  53. wyoming85 says:

    • stangerx says:

      Back in my rugby days the rooks had to carry the kegs and such. Much better use of time on that one….. but then we weren’t getting paid for our play either.

  54. ocalarob says:

    This is the article i read on Baker as per my earlier post

    Keeping the speed won’t be a problem for Baker. But a new set of usages will be a challenge. Baker’s role may push him to the outside in a 3-4 base front — calling on Baker to be more of a pass rusher.

    • Tim Knight says:

      He showed some good outside blitzing ability last year. I can see him playing there at times and also playing inside as the “Will” to roam more free with McMillan playing the Mike being the guy who sticks his nose into the mosh taking on blocks. He’s the bigger LB. I think we’re going to use a rotation of LBs in different formations depending on the game plan for each game.

    • hes very small for a LB, maybe he will do better on the edge

      also he didnt do well fighting off blocks i n the middle, he wasnt strong or nasty enough

      he needs to learn more swim and disengage moves, getting stuck to a blocker doesnt allow him space or freedom to make plays

      • Tim Knight says:

        Baker didn’t play inside last year. He played SOLB most of the time in the 4-3 and eventually earned more nickel reps. He recently said he weighed in at 227 at minicamp. 6-1 227 is not so small as there are a lot of LBs that size these days. What he does have is great speed and play recognition. He stopped quite a few plays from becoming bigger plays because of that.

  55. D says:

    Just because they use him to rush, they can do that from any position. They blotz with safeties too and corners. Still he isn’t built to be a Miller type LB a pass rush LB, but I’m sure they will have plays where he rushes the passer.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Yeah he’s not a Von Miller type OLB. You use him in creative ways because of how quickly he can get to the ball carrier. He’s the kind of guy you use to spy a QB like Lamar Jackson because he has that speed. You have him drop to cover RBs and TEs, even WRs at times and you pick your spots to have him blitz from anywhere as you said.

  56. D says:

    So then it’s not a strength of schedule ranking, it’s a chance to win ranking. That’s different since the strength of your opponent is what matters when looking at a strength of schedule.

  57. naplesfan2010 says:

    Speaking of pass rush, here’s a guy averaging 10 sacks a year we could get.

    1) He’s unhappy in Jax and not attending minicamp.
    2) He’s only making $2M / yr right now, on his last yr in a contract,
    so we could get him for a one yr deal and/or an extension right away or wait and see if he’s any good in Miami. (I don’t do all these contract numvbers very well.)
    3) Jax needs a safety, so we could trade them Reshad and a 4th.

    • D says:

      They are willing to sing a guy like that, they made an attempt at Flowers this offseason they just got priced out of that range. They have the bulk of their cap savings coming next year so an extension could be worked out and just load up a chunk of that contract in 2020. I could see it being an option for us, i just dont know specifically if he is the type of guy they are looking for.

      • D says:

        They also have a bunch of picks they could use in that trade, but question is do you give up a pick for him, or do you just use those load of picks to add through the draft. I think we could be players for him, but not agressive ones.

    • Mike E. says:

      Can’t imagine JAX would let him go. I’d love to have him here. 30 sacks his first 3 seasons, that’s amazing

      • D says:

        I can, they have a surplus of pass-rushers and they dont have to be concerned with aguy who is disgruntled and might not play full out to protect himself before a contract year. Im not saying the let him walk for nothing but i can see them making that decision with what they have available.

  58. stangerx says:

    Tim — I’m sorry, but heck yeah “6-1 227 is not so small” for a LB will disagree with. And that is just the list weight. Will agree that the difference btwn S and LB is less and less these days with speed to the ball the key part in the pass happy league.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Teams play less and less in base these days because everyone has 3 WRs on the field. The same with only a few teams who utilize a fullback which we will be one of them this year. As for Baker’s weight, that’s what he weighed in at just a few days ago. The official site has him listed at 215 which Baker said he hasn’t been that light in years.

      • stangerx says:

        I could not agree more TIm and having been saying all along, particularly with us getting the new swarm NE scheme coming in. New age and seems we are adjusting to it.

  59. naplesfan2010 says:

    To me, Raek can only play MLB, so they had to try Kiko at Will in a 4-3 and that did not work well.
    The previous year while at Mike was when Kiko won the game with that pick 6.
    That is what he can do from in the middle there. That is why it is good if we switch to a 3-4.

    I like Jerome Baker, but I think his best games or plays of last year are his ceiling.
    Just do it all the time.

    I don’t think he will ever be a great player, but he’ll be good enough to help us.
    Same with Raekwon, although he has not reached his ceiling yet. (I hope!!!!!)

    If we are in a 3-4, then I assume that means Harris and Baker are OLB and Kiko and Raek are ILB.
    van Ginkel would sub for Harris and one of the new guys like maybe Jayrone Elliott would sub for Baker. Allen and Hull could back up the two ILBs.

    That guy Equaveon (sp?) has looked good so far. Especially in pass coverage.

    With no pads, it’s hard to tell who can rush the passer and who can fight through to fill running lanes.

  60. naplesfan2010 says:

    Jax also is in cap hell and still have to re-sign Ramsey. They literally cannot afford to pay Ngakoue what he will get in FA (like about $8M?), so they might want to trade him before he just walks in FA.

  61. naplesfan2010 says:

    Harris is light for a LB, but he is surprisingly not tall, so that makes his total pounds not as problematical. With Harris a former DE at 255+, Raek at 250-ish, and Kiko at 242 or so, we have enough beef at LB to be able to allow Baker to play the hybrid speed backer/huge safety like Deone Buchanon style, and there are several others around the league doing that now.

    • stangerx says:

      Is Harris playing LB now? Not doubting he could but seems we don’t have many DEs either. Are our DTs the new DL line?

      • D says:

        We will be moving guys in and out of DT/DE and LB/DE so you muight have a DL that looks like Harris OLB on the line, Godchaux 3-4DE, Wilkins DT/NT, Spence DT/DE, or it could be Harris hand down, DE, with Godchaux and Wilkins as 4-3 DT’s and Carradine or Ledbetter at the other DE spot.

      • stangerx says:

        Thanks D — hadn’t read that anywhere, but not like check out every article and the paywall is in force for me. You are the man on what is going on as far as what we are going to do.

    • D says:

      The difference in a pass rush LB and DE isnt that big of a deal. In college he played in a system when he played as a hand on the ground traditional DE and when they were in other formations he would be an on the line wide pass rush OLB.

  62. The Flying Pig says:

    Confirmation that the human race is stupid

    • D says:

      That HBO series has really stirred up peoples interest in the site again. Not that its to blame for idiots putting themselves in harms way, but i think this is where this is coming from. Its a pretty good series if you havent watched it.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I know D

        I watched it

        And you can’t pay me to go to that radioactive graveyard

  63. D says:

    Also you dont need to worry about the height weight numbers, it helps with leverage and being able to have a better chance fighting through blocks or doing power moves to get at the QB, but its not to say a lighter taller guy cant do the job they jsut have to be better at technique r be stronger to offset their disadvantage. There is no way in hell Calais Campbell should beat people like he does with his more lanky type frame, but he does.

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      I do too worry about that because Harris got washed out of many plays due to his being or playing too light. He was unable to set the edge.

      It is also a matter of physics that stretching x pounds over x feet is stouter than stretching x pounds over 2x feet, unless you change composition from say tin to steel.

      And all NFL players are made of steel. If the strength guys do their job.

      So if Baker were 6’4 220 like a WR frame, he would be unsuited to play LB.
      But since he is 6’1 220, he is more compact and more able to take on blocks by OGs.

      That is why Frank Gore succeeded whereas DT3 failed.

  64. Mike E. says:

    D – Besides Campbell, who are the big pass rushers on JAX?

  65. naplesfan2010 says:

    When you click on the twitter link
    (for some reason i clicked on the lower right hand picture right in the middle of that frame,
    near the bottom),
    if you scroll down to the comments,
    you can see that the radioactive residue has caused everybody there to speak gibberish,
    and they can’t type either.

  66. naplesfan2010 says:

    Gee Stanger
    was it not I who posited that Harris will become an OLB in the 3-4,
    since that is a pass rush position,
    whereas the DE is more equivalent to the DT in a 4-3?

    • stangerx says:

      I don’t know if you were the first one to put that out or not but know folks were talking about it. Props to you if first in on that though. Just wasn’t sure anything from the team side on that. Has there been?

  67. chernobyl is one of the most polluted and haunted places on earth

    there isnt anything to see there, and what u cant see will kill you

  68. this is likely Albert Wilsons last year here. he isnt part of the rebuilding, and he wont really fit into what we are doing and the type of players we want and need

    also Wilson will count just over $10 million on the 2020 cap.
    as i mentioned before we are not in cap trouble in 2020, not even close,

    but Miami will need to decide if Wilson is worth a $10 million tag. Releasing him would save $9.5 million with only a $1.3 million hit.

    we already spent a small fortune on Wilson , with very little to show for it,

    he should be gone and get some tougher , younger, and rookie contract WR in here for the rebuild


    guess who one of the five is? Yep, looks like im not the only one thinking he isnt worth 10 mil

    we will see what the FO thinks

  70. pheloniusphish says:

    Argue with a 1/4 wit is like wrestling with Piggy. You both get muddy but he likes it.

  71. pheloniusphish says:

    Way to go 1/4 Wit. You chased everyone away.

  72. D says:

    naplesfan2010 says:
    June 11, 2019 at 7:58 pm

    I do too worry about that because Harris got washed out of many plays due to his being or playing too light. He was unable to set the edge.

    It is also a matter of physics that stretching x pounds over x feet is stouter than stretching x pounds over 2x feet, unless you change composition from say tin to steel.

    And all NFL players are made of steel. If the strength guys do their job.

    So if Baker were 6’4 220 like a WR frame, he would be unsuited to play LB.
    But since he is 6’1 220, he is more compact and more able to take on blocks by OGs.

    That is why Frank Gore succeeded whereas DT3 failed.
    Thats the general size for players playing his position Naples.
    Von Miller 6’3 250
    Charles Harris 6’3 250

    4-3 DE’s are a little bit bigger on average but we are talking maybe 10 lbs heavier and an inch or two taller.

    Jim Brown – 6’2 230
    Emmit Smith 5’9 210
    Derrick Henry 6’3 230
    AP 6’1 220
    LT 5’10 210

    i mean all sizes and shape, so it has to be more than size. Its about physicality. A players size helps, but thats not what helps them set the edge or bust the crease on a big run. Its strength and muscle twitch, etc. Size might make you hard to bring down, but moreso its upper body strength. Size might help you move the pile, but moreso does leg/hip strength. Size might help a little on the OL but moreso its the footwork and technique to move and set your anchor, to go along with core body strength. Its just not accurate to look at a players height and weight to determine if they will be good at the position.

    Harris got washed out because he was out of position many times on the plays. I didn’t see many times at all where he was blatantly beat and even then, its not his size thats the issue. A move to LB will actually be a good move for him, so i expect we will see a more productive player next year.

  73. CavalierKong says:

    Blues/Bruins game 7 tonight! If the Blues aren’t disciplined and take too many penalties then the Bruins will roll, but I expect the Blues will bring their best like they have all year when the money is on the table.

    I expect a good, hard-fought game that may be decided on the bounce of the puck.
    2-1 Blues in 1st OT.

    Go Blues!! Stick it to Rob’s wallet!!!!!!

    • Tim Knight says:

      Game 7’s are always awesome unless it’s a blowout. LOL

      But seriously, there is so much suspense. With hockey in a close game, every goal seems like a momentous occasion. It’s so intense.

      • CavalierKong says:

        Fingers crossed it isn’t a blowout. Every time I think the intensity of this playoff run has reached its peak, it somehow ratchets up another notch. I’m just hoping I make it through this game alive, lol.

  74. Tim Knight says:

    David, Wilson only played in 7 games, he was on pace for 60 catches about 900 yards and 8-9 TDs. His contract isn’t a big deal.

    • he sucks, part time loser got a hp injury that didnt even need surgery, and he still isnt ready this year either
      how many years of recovery does he need for a hip injury not requiring surgery?

      its a mistake to bring in other teams castoffs and toss 10 million a year at them and hope they work out

      we are rebuilding, and he isnt part of a rebuild

      i think he will be gone next year, he isnt worth 5m let alone 10m

      we need to upgrade our WR department

      • we should draft at least 2 WR next year, an alpha Number 1 receiver early, a tough guy, not another devante or wilson sissy, and a later round slot guy

        WR is a tough job, we need tough men for it

  75. D says:

    He’s not a 10mil a year WR he was a 4.8333 mil receiver, this year is a 8.3333 mil receiver, and next year he is a 10.8333 mil receiver, so you will have to wait until next year to say he isnt worth 10mil, right now ya have to make the argument he isnt worth 8mil.

    • D says:

      He was definitely worth the 4.8333 last year, though.

    • D says:

      Incidentally his 10.8333 is not guaranteed so if you are right they can cut him and not ever have paid him 10mil in a year.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Right, 3 years $24M is the contract.

      • D says:

        He didnt even get half guaranteed, so its actually a really team friendly deal. Its also not like its a top WR contract, based on its APY amount, its the 31st WR contract.

    • D says:

      Point is, the contract wasn’t bad at all, even though i generally am against paying WR’s a ton of money because you can replace them a lot easier than most other positions.

      • stangerx says:

        He does have a point of not wanting to pay too much for a slot receiver though. They come cheap.

      • Tim Knight says:

        That’s not big money these days.

      • D says:

        Slot receivers get paid that much these days. Oh and there is the little problem with his argument where he wanted to pay Landry 16mil a year….

  76. Tim Knight says:

    The Jets just signed slot receiver Jamison Crowder to 3 years $28.5M. That’s the market these days.

    • stangerx says:

      Whether that or what Wilson does would have to be pretty special to justify that much, but plenty of guys get overpaid in the NFL. But if Wilson turns out to be that special…. no complaints.

  77. Tim Knight says:

    Really David, Wilson is a sissy because he was tackled awkwardly and injured his hip? I guess Edelman was a sissy for tearing his ACL in the preseason and missing the entire 2017 season?

    • edelman was the super bowl MVP, he was there for his team when they needed him.

      if Wilson was the super bowl mvp for Miami last year, we wouldnt be having this conversation
      WR is a VERY tough job, we all see how they get hit and mangled, we need guys that are super tough that can handle the job

      Rosen wasnt brought in here to throw TDs to guys on injured reserve, he needs WR that can play when we need them

      • D says:

        He isnt an oft injured player, he got hurt last year. He doesnt have a history of injury. In fact KC used him in roles where he took contact and he survived without injuries. He’s a tough dude, but shit happens out there and people get hurt. You cant punish the player for that.

      • D says:

        I might see your point if he had a pattern of it because that might indicate he isnt doing enough conditioning, but thats not the case here.

      • Tim Knight says:


      • chiefs did better without him he never did much there either

        he only had 7 TDS in 4 years with Chiefs

        Wilson has 150 receptions in a 5 year career, SMH
        thats a part time player

  78. D says:

    The other part is Wilson isn’t a slot receiver. He lines up in the slot some, but he isn’t a slot only. We used him on the outside a lot too.

  79. stangerx says:

    I know new contracts are higher each year, but only 22 wideouts in the league making more than $10 mil in 2019 at this point. Didn’t go threw the photo gallery on them, but guessing not many slot receivers. But D & Tim do have a point that Wilson has that break away speed that offers a special threat that most slots don’t have.

    • Tim Knight says:

      He’s also not making $10M this season so there’s that. 😉

    • D says:

      Wilsons contract is 8mil per year, he’s the 31st in terms of APY. There are a few other WR’s like him, that play both on the slot and outside that make more than he does. His contract isnt out of whack.

      • stangerx says:

        You have a point is if he is effective outside as well then might deserve more, but he didn’t go deep much. When he was outside was more for slants to take advantage of his speed. So not a prototypical boundary WR at least.

  80. Mike E. says:

    stangerx says:
    June 12, 2019 at 11:22 am

    He does have a point of not wanting to pay too much for a slot receiver though. They come cheap.
    Does he??? He still laments not paying Landry $15M+ per year. I think that’s part of the reason why he’s hating so much on Wilson, who by the way, doesn’t deserve that kind of wrath. I mean Landry is long gone, he’s old news. Wilson is still on our team

  81. Tim Knight says:

    Didn’t the Patriots lose the Super Bowl in the 2017/18 season to the Eagles? Maybe that’s because sissy boy Edelman missed the entire season with a torn ACL and wasn’t there for his team. LOL

    • i understand players do get hurt once in awhile, Marino missed part of a year

      but Edelman made up for it by winning the SB mvp this year. no ones talking about an injury from years ago

      so if WIlson wins the super bowl mvp this season, i could forgive what happenned last season, and we are good to go, think he will?

      please dont say we were better than NE and cannot improve

      we MUST improve, and we WILL

      what are we going to do with all the draft picks next year, pick players? absolutely
      we need WR, LB, and OL

  82. D says:

    Another thing to point out is that the way you are viewing slot receiver is outdated. WR’s now flex in and out of almst all the different positions X, Y , and Z. This is because the modern receiver are generally trained to run a bunch of different routes and aren’t limited to only being able to run fly/go and post. Hell Odell Beckham, God of all receivers, lines up at all the positions. Landry does, Diggs, Fitzgerald, etc etc.

  83. D says:

    Stanger it depends on your definition of slot. Diggs, Brown, Cooks, Robinson, Williams, Sanders, Shepard, Crowder, Tate, Jackson, Humphries, Brown, Lee, Enunwa, all run out of the slot like Wilson but are also lined up elsewhere. You can line up outside and still run crossing routes. Your description of what the slot does makes me think you are not taking into consideration a lot of the changes to the NFL passing game. They should take the labels off WR’s now, because really what ya have is WR 1 WR2 WR3, X, Y , Z really doesnt even apply any longer. Not traditionally.

  84. the NFL is going to 18 regular season games soon, think thats easy for the players? they are not saying that

    with 18 regular season games on the horizon, we need guys across the team that are tough, and durable

    im sure guys like WIlson cant handle 18 games a year, he couldnt handle a 16 game season,

    if we get into the playoffs could be 20 or so games a year, we need the toughest SOB we can get and stop settling for mediocre

    we need the BEST players we can possibly get, to be our best and contend for a SB

    we brought in the best coaches available, and drafted the best players we could find this season

    im thinking we do the same next years draft, bring in some WR, OL, and LB

    we need the meanest toughest guys alive, so we can finally start winning the division again

    the guys we had, were capable of winning a half dozen games or so, but we have higher goals than that

    Flores will not be content with mediocrity, he is out to make a name for himself, and for the team

    they are laughing at Miami now, but after next years draft, the jokes on them 🙂

    • D says:

      not may players can handle 18 games, its one of the worst ideas the NFL has ever had. If they do they they need to up the roster cap from 53 to 70 just to have reserves for when the injuries start to rack up.

    • D says:

      Also, you act as if this is a pattern with Wilson, whats your reasoning that he couldnt handle it any moreso than any other player. Im not sure why Wilson because of one hip injury has you so adamant that he will never play a full season again.

      • he didnt need surgery on it, and he isnt ready to go this year, how many more years of recovery is needed?

        it is what it is, but even if he was healthy, we are still rebuilding, and next years draft, dont be surprised if we select WR

        we do NOT have the best WR;s in the NFL, there is tons of room for upgrade

      • Tim Knight says:

        He missed OTAs and minicamp. TC is like 6-7 weeks away. We’ll see if Wilson is back by then.

  85. Tim Knight says:

    So the new logic is if a player gets hurt and misses time they must make up for it by winning Super Bowl MVP. Got it! That goes for all you players who have gotten hurt and missed games or even the entire season. LOL

    • its not exactly gospel, but do You think the patriots would have been happier with wilson instead of edelman last year? lmao hell no

      if you feel we dont need anymore players, why didnt miami win the super bowl last year?

      we DO need more pieces to contend

      • stangerx says:

        David — think the point was looking good and then got hurt. Players in the NFL do get hurt…. why they have the injured reserve. And yes we need to add more players to the roster….. lots of draft picks and some good cap money next year.

  86. stangerx says:

    D — I have no doubt that Wilson and others line up in different places, especially to get mismatches. But when Parker, Stills and Wilson are out there, only one that would think of as our slot receiver. But that extra gear he has does make him fun to move around. He brings something to the table that a traditional slot like Amendola can not.

    Still doesn’t change that guys who most of the time line up in the slot don’t tend to get the big money. And even if might be changing, there is a reason for that. Slot is where not so fast and not so big guys can make a living. Lot more of those than the Megatron types.

    • D says:

      Depends on the system, but there are few systems out there that are like that anymore. Coming from the Pats offensive system, i doubt very seriously ours will be like that. Im telling you thouhg, the lines are blurry, so the money is becoming blurry.

  87. Tim, when was the last time Miami won a super bowl?

    we wont with the current crop of players we have, we have to rebuild for the chance to compete for a championship someday

    the team sucked last year and fired the coach, surely you dont think there isnt room for improvement, there IS
    why did the team accumulate all those picks for next year if we already have the players we need?
    why are we rebuilding if we already have the players we need?

    • stangerx says:

      You confuse me sometimes….. you were the only one on the board saying the playoffs are a real possibility this year. Are you just saying want to improve the roster too?

      • we MUST improve the roster to compete for a championship
        the FO knows this, and is ready to pick a bunch of guys next year to go for it

        the players we currently have, wont win it

      • stangerx says:

        Do you think anyone on this board is against improving the team in the long-term? I’m all for that if it helps. Is it just that some have different thoughts on how to do it?

    • the playoffs are within our reach, but not the super bowl champions
      do you also feel like the team doesnt need anymore players? then why did we acquire 13 draft picks for next year?

  88. Tim Knight says:

    David, you’re all over the place. Now your asking me questions about when was the last time the Dolphins won a Super Bowl and then telling me what happened last year. What does that have to do with anything we were discussing about Wilson?

    • im not all over the place, im letting you know we havent won jack shit in a long time, and wont with the current players we have
      the goal is super bowl, and we dont have the players for it, they havent shown capable of it

      maybe you feel like wilson can be a super bowl mvp next year, i dont
      hes not worth 10 million and this is his last year , he will be replaced by a rookie in 2020

      • Tim Knight says:

        Thanks for letting me know about our history and the current status of our team. I would have never known. LOL

        I never said anything about Wilson being Super Bowl MVP. It’s also interesting that you can tell the future. This conversation has become a ball of confusion.

      • sorry you re confused, but its not a biggie

        the team has stated they are in a rebuilding mode, if You are confused, stay tuned and it will make sense soon
        we have 13 picks next year to help us rebuild

  89. Mike E. says:

    NEW BLOG UP!!!

  90. CavalierKong says:

    “…we need the meanest toughest guys alive, so we can finally start winning the division again…”

    How are Mike Tyson, Butterbean, and Brian Boitano going to help us win the division? 😉

  91. many of u guys want to send the pro bowler Reshad Jones down the road over pay

    but injured Wilson? yea lets keep him and give him the vault keys, lmao, it wont happen IMO

    i guess there will be a bunch of hurt fans when Wilson is released

    but fans will have to understand this isnt the Albert WIlson Dolphins, its the Miami Dolphins, and they are not stuck with the guy or obligated to carry his contract forever

  92. D says:

    “we do NOT have the best WR;s in the NFL, there is tons of room for upgrade”
    Sure there is, im not claiming we have the best, but its a pretty solid group to work with. We will see how it goes, but Parker has stud potential, Stills is a guy who is difficult to cover, so is a healthy Wilson and Grant. this is a slashing type of receiver corp, which is pretty much what they have in NE. We will have to see how it turns out. Worst case and you are right about Wilson and he isnt recovering well, we draft a WR in 2020, add through FA, or both. with our cap situation next year and draft capital, there isnt much room to worry about it now.

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