Player Spotlight : CB Eric Rowe

We have X on one side, that much is a given. The way the Dolphins have chosen to finish the equation is X + R = CB Bliss. It’s actually a big risk. Rowe has been a part time player for the first 4 years of his career. He was drafted in the 2nd RD in 2015 by the Philadelphia Eagles. Rowe played in all 16 games for the Eagles in his rookie year, starting 5. New England was in need of a CB in 2016 and sent a conditional 4th RD pick in 2018, which at best could have turned into a 3rd RD pick if performance measures were met. Why did Philly give up on their guy so quickly, so much so that they had to wait 2 years to get compensation back for him? Very odd.

At the NFL combine, Rowe was a monster. He ran 4.45 at 6’1 205, a 3.97 20 YD shuttle which is super quick for a guy that size, a 6.70 cone drill which shows elite agility and a 39″ vertical which shows elite explosion.. Maybe that’s why Philly took him in the 2nd RD, he Mike Mamula’d them. They pretty much gave up on the guy after one season.

Rowe started only 12 games in 3 seasons for the Patriots and played in 21 games. I’m not saying Eric Rowe can’t be the guy, but so far 2 teams, and make that 2 very solid organizations like the Eagles and Patriots can’t find a way to get this guy to work, it’s a little disconcerting. He has played well in practice and looked good in the preseason so far, but it just shows how poor our quality depth is at CB at the moment after Xavien Howard. Cornell Armstrong, Jalen Davis, Chris Lammons, Cordrea Tankersley and David Rivers. Chris Lammons has flashed some but is anyone here confident that he can handle the pressure of being picked on constantly as teams avoid throwing to the side X is on? That’s a lot to handle.

Some guys develop late, some guys just need the right opportunity to shine. It looks like Rowe is going to be given every opportunity and more to seize the job opposite X so it won’t be for a lack of chances that he doesn’t succeed here. Eric Rowe was a starter at CB in college at Utah. Who was that big Utah CB we had here that everyone loved? Was it Sun Sentinel, er Sean Smith? Smith was a lightning rod. Some hated him, some defended him. My recollection is I was a Sean Smith sympathizer. I thought he was unfairly treated by the haters although he was never a great player for us. He was at the very least a serviceable player for us. Smith started 56 games in 4 seasons for us. Can Rowe give us anything like that? The SS haters will hate this statement, but if Rowe can be as good as Sean Smith, I think we’ve done well.

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  1. CavalierKong says:

    D says:
    August 26, 2019 at 10:41 am
    I think TJ didn’t really fit what they wanted to do. We all thought he would fit the multiples thing because we see him as a hybrid LB/S but it must be that he hasn’t really shown he could be that guy, or that they would rather have a hawk in the secondary than a mountain ram. They seem to prioritize pass defending skills, and truthfully i would tend to agree. I dont want the guy at the back half of my defense being the guy im prioritizing to make the tackles. Id hope my LB’s would be the primary ones in that group, preferably DT’s and DE’s but there are reasons their tackle number are generally low.
    ————

    Interesting take, D. I thought TJ was a good fit, but still expected him to be cut because he can’t seem to to stay healthy. Your take on it makes a lot of sense though, and might be spot on.

  2. stangerx says:

    Flores today said McDonald has a good skillset, “But there’s a lot that goes into putting a team together. … With T.J., it just wasn’t the right fit.”

  3. if only everyone was as smart as Steve is, lmao

    ok Steve, go ahead and show us how smart and informed You are , or arent, ,

    provide the link showing Miami was over the salary cap, and cutting Mcdonald brought us under the cap, Ill wait, because i cant find it

  4. Tim Knight says:

    I don’t think the cap was a big deal with McDonald, Flores saying not the right fit was the reason said it all. We’re eating a lot of dead cap this year but that’s part of phase one of the rebuild. We’re setting up for 2020 to be a major personnel addition offseason in both FA and the draft.

    • stangerx says:

      Yeah — it was a total rebuild move. If we were thinking playoffs this year maybe we keep him, but they knew he’d be gone next year anyhow. So decided to see what they got with people who might still be here.

  5. steveccnv says:

    Keep looking it’s right there on any cap website😁

    I never said that, I said we were in cap hell to start the league year.

    You can’t just worry about the cap when you’re close to it, you have to always be planning, everything is about the cap.

    • steveccnv says:

      Maybe you don’t know the league year starts in March.

      We don’t save money long term by cutting TJ, this year we save about $900K, but next year we’ll have 1.9 in dead money, so the net cap loss is $1M.

  6. Mike E. says:

    I’m watching thr last game against JAX and I really like what I’m seeing out of Rosen. I think it would be disappointing for them to start Fitz over Rosen. That throw he made on the play action rollout where the LB was on him, he made a fantastic throw going backward and delivered the ball perfectly about 20 yards downfield. Fitz can’t make that play. He also showed some nice escapability in the pocket.

    • steveccnv says:

      If we start Fitz the first 3 games and he fizzles out, then we can put Rosen in with no pressure and just continue with the rebuild season, but if we start Rosen week one and things don’t go so well, and Fitz replaces him, it’s going to be harder to get him back in there.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Agreed

        It can be advantageous to make a switch l
        It can give the team a little lift and defenses have a tougher time preparing

        I wouldn’t mind Fitz for a couple of early games

      • stangerx says:

        First 4 games are tough.
        Week 5 is the bye.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I have faith we will be able to watch Rosen soon enough

      But I don’t really think it matters if he doesn’t start week 1

    • stangerx says:

      I liked as well, but it was also his best game and playing against their less than first team. Do like both his arm and his gamesmanship.

  7. The Flying Pig says:

    Piggy’s 2019 motto: SOW

    squeeze out wins

  8. Tim Knight says:

    We have enough cap for this year to make some moves along the way if need be. We’re going to have a lot of cap next year and additional draft picks.

  9. steveccnv says:
    August 26, 2019 at 1:08 pm
    Keep looking it’s right there on any cap website😁

    I never said that, I said we were in cap hell to start the league year.
    ==================================================================
    its NOT, You LIED
    i figured You had nothing, but
    alright, provide the link for Dolphins in cap hell to start the league year? or is that another ignorant lie?

    i

  10. pheloniusphish says:

    I’m all for whichever one gives Miami the best chance to win.

  11. Tim Knight says:

    I’d like Rosen to start and just take it and run with it. But if Fitz starts the season it’s not a big deal. I just hope that when Rosen does start he shows he can be our QB moving forward.

  12. pheloniusphish says:

    Here’s where Miami was on Cap going into this year.

    DOLPHINS 2018 CAP TOTALS
    Maximum Salary Cap:
    $177,269,161
    Active Contracts:
    $123,506,032
    Injured Reserve:
    $26,749,699
    Dead Cap:
    $20,095,019
    Total Cap:
    $170,350,750
    Est. Cap Space:
    $6,918,411

  13. pheloniusphish says:

    This is where they are now>

    MIAMI DOLPHINS CAP TOTALS
    Adjusted Salary Cap
    $197,138,494
    Active Contracts:
    $150,419,659
    Dead Cap:
    $42,219,283
    2018 Rollover:
    $5,938,494
    Total (All):
    $194,684,942
    Total (Top 51):
    $174,479,942
    Est. Cap Space (All):
    $2,453,552
    Est. Cap Space (Top 51):
    $22,658,552

    • stangerx says:

      That $42 mil in deadcap is a curse this year, but will be a blessing in the next….. cause almost all of it will come off.

    • thanks Phel, obviously the Dolphins havent been over the cap, and did not need to cut Mcdonald to get under the cap

      we have to carry dead money on him anyway, dead money counts against the cap,

      but counting dead money against the cap is not more cash outlay

      the Alonso example is a good one, , if we cut Alonso, we save only 26,000 against the cap, but save 4 million in cash

      26000 is a drop in the bucket of cap space savings, but 4 million in cash is huge

      i expect Alonso to be released, and it WONT be about the 26K savings of cap space

  14. wyoming85 says:

    SOW
    Squeeze Out Wind!

    There I Personalized it for Piggy! 😉

  15. wyoming85 says:

  16. wyoming85 says:

  17. Tim Knight says:

    We don’t need anymore cap than we have for this year. FA is over and the cap we do have can be used to pick up a few guys here and there during the season if need be.

  18. Miami is number 10 in the NFL with the most salary cap available,

    and this includes the number one dead cap money in the NFL factored in

    https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/

  19. if you click over to cash payroll , Miami is dead last in the NFL this year

    https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cash/

    we have the cheapest payroll i n the entire NFL, and yet pricey veterans are still dropping like flies, WTF
    how cheap can we get? we are already 32 in a league of 32 teams of lowest cash payroll

    • Tim Knight says:

      It’s not about being cheap, it’s about moving forward with players who fit the long term vision and moving on from those who don’t. The team is in a rebuilding transition phase. The team doesn’t care where they rank in payroll. It’s not about that.

  20. manitobafinfan says:

    With Chad Henne set to undergo surgery on his ankle, the Kansas City Chiefs need help at quarterback, and help comes in the form of longtime backup Matt Moore.

    • manitobafinfan says:

      another weird co ink e dink

    • stangerx says:

      Have said it before — Matt Moore decided his career was as a #2 QB. Had plenty of chances to at least get a compete gig, but didn’t take. Think he knew crash and burn and no longer a top #2. And he’s earned millions without taking the hits.

  21. stangerx says:

    I’m gonna try to make this real simple.

    Since Ross pays every penny of the cap and carries over — there is no difference btwn cap and real money other than in what year it is paid.

    • D says:

      dead money is basically rolling debt forward and counts against a budget with no return on invest to be made. I get that its important not to let that number get out of control, but you are going to have a certain amount of it every year and a lot of times the dead money doesn’t outweigh the savings also made on the cut.

      • stangerx says:

        Dead money is just real cash you’ve already paid hitting the cap books. And yeah you don’t like it…. cause normally means a player didn’t work out.

  22. D says:

    Better than this….

    Or this?

    Or even this?

  23. D says:

    if you click over to cash payroll , Miami is dead last in the NFL this year

    https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cash/

    we have the cheapest payroll i n the entire NFL, and yet pricey veterans are still dropping like flies, WTF
    how cheap can we get? we are already 32 in a league of 32 teams of lowest cash payroll
    ————————————————–
    I dont think the TJ move has anything to do with that. It was a roster spot thing. They didn’t like what he brought to the team, they would have to make cuts eventually to get down, and id bet with some of their upcoming plans he asked to be cut sooner than later.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I think some people are just having a hard time with the team’s plan this year. It’s a new direction that was explained once Grier became top dog. He said he has a vision on how to build a team the right way for long term success and that’s why Ross promoted him.

  24. manitobafinfan says:

    Stanger: I just found it weird that in 3 days the Texans have replaced Former Fin RB with a Former Fin RB, and now Chiefs have done same with QB…

    • stangerx says:

      Toba — Dolphins are real good at drafting folks who will stick in the league for a good long while, even if not with us. The scouts must look for journeyman traits instead of pro bowl ones. 🙂

      • manitobafinfan says:

        hopefully that changes and we can keep more guys long term, or become the Pats south , and replace with young cheap versions before they cost a bundle.. possibly has already started…

      • stangerx says:

        The replace/trade “jersey players” while still looking good is one place always pointed to the evil genius being real cold. Same time makes sense. Flores said some thing like “learned always team first” from him.

  25. that argument carries some weight of course, if he doesnt fit in with the team, bye

    but there is NOT a need to cut veterans for the salary cap, that is just an excuse that works with
    teams that are in cap trouble

    this team has a 63.3 million dollar cash payroll, lowest in the NFL, and the cap is over 188 million

    if the team cuts more veterans and says we cant afford them,,,, im not buying that

    • correction, 63,3 million is for the offense only
      total cash payroll is 166 million, dead last in payroll

      about 100 million less than the Falcons

    • stangerx says:

      David — why shouldn’t Grier and Flores do exactly what they want? Again there is no save money about this so long as Ross keeps spending every dollar he can.

      • they can do whatever they want, its their team

        but i wont be making up stories about there isnt any room under the cap for a player, obviously there is alot of room

        Ross views the Dolphins like a real estate investment, he maintains his investment by upgrading the stadium and updating the locker rooms, etc

        but when he sells the franchise, the upgrades will benefit him and he makes more profit

        payroll is just an expense that doesnt directly translate to franchise worth much

        so if championships are NOT important, but maximizing the gains of the sale of the franchise IS, then we see where the priorities lie

        what sucks for us, is the cheapest team is not going to be the best team,

        but now we understand why fitzpatrick and rosen were brought in, they are very inexpensive options,

        they were not brought in as best available options, just the cheapest ones possible.
        Ross doesnt care about wins, he cares about money only

      • steveccnv says:

        What a schmuck David. You can’t actually believe what you’re writing.

  26. steveccnv says:

    Some of us actually have to work and cant respond to every idiotic post you make on the fly.

    You couldn’t be any more clueless on how the cap works.

    We only had a few million in cap space to start the year and we still had plenty of vets with expired contracts, us we had signed all of them for what their cap hit was last year we would’ve been way over the cap. That equates to cap hell, so what do you do push it to future years or rebuild?

  27. steveccnv says:

    Cutting TJ wasn’t done to save money, enough already. Not only can you not read between the lines, but you cant comprehend what’s written.

      • steveccnv says:

        You are correct, everyone else had this figured out last night. I think you’re just trolling, no one can be that stupid.

      • lmao, what a waste of time You are

        last time, You made up the lie that the dolphins were in salary cap hell. but you got NOTHING to show for it

        you are deceitful, combative, and have NOTHING to prove your point

        you CANT prove your point with google, because You lied and hoped i would buy it

        it doesnt make You look intelligent when you make up BS< and have nothing to back up your BS

        enough wasting my time, You arent on my level

        google how to google, lmao

        at least You know FL wasnt one of the 13 colonies, stick to what You know

  28. pheloniusphish says:

    The reason the payroll is so small is because Miami’s roster is so young. Currently, there are only 13 players on it with 6 or more years in the league.

  29. stangerx says:

    David — Gonna try this one more time — Ross spends every penny the NFL will allow on the roster and has for years. He can’t spend a cent more David but you think he is trying to do it on the cheap.

    What the heck do you want him to do?

  30. steveccnv says:

    What is it that they say about the person that thinks he’s right and everyone else is wrong?

    Seems everyone is trying to play Mr. Roger’s with David, to no avail.

  31. pheloniusphish says:

    SBJ – You guys are killin’ me!

  32. D says:

    David C (@DolphinsSB52) says:
    August 26, 2019 at 2:40 pm

    that argument carries some weight of course, if he doesnt fit in with the team, bye

    but there is NOT a need to cut veterans for the salary cap, that is just an excuse that works with
    teams that are in cap trouble

    this team has a 63.3 million dollar cash payroll, lowest in the NFL, and the cap is over 188 million

    if the team cuts more veterans and says we cant afford them,,,, im not buying that
    —————————————————————-
    They saved 1.4 mil cutting him, so truthfully that a net positive regardless of vet status, dead cap etc. Still, 1.4 is a tiny droplet in the grand scheme of things and they could have cut him prior to June 1st, and took a less than 500k hit to do it. If they had been certain they wanted to cut him as a vet, they would have moved on before, but they gave it a chance and they just werent going in the same direction so they cut him now which pushes some of the dead cap into next year. I promise you this kind of move isnt about just wanting to cut vets, its about what they are doing with the team and TJ wasnt in that mold.

    • steveccnv says:

      You can’t argue with stupid, here’s an example:

      this team has a 63.3 million dollar cash payroll, lowest in the NFL, and the cap is over 188 million

      Payroll and cap aren’t the same thing, but stupid here is trying to give an example like they are.

  33. CavalierKong says:

    stangerx says:
    August 26, 2019 at 3:30 pm
    Phelon — worst thing in your FU board life would be if no more days like today.
    ——————————

    I can’t speak for Phel, but I certainly love days like today. It’s like the Special Olympics of blogging.

  34. pheloniusphish says:

    Peter King is still a Patriot’s Panties sniffer.

  35. manitobafinfan says:

    David : think of it this way.. just pulling #’s outta my ass though , so please don’t correct them..

    Cap is 150 Mil.. we are paying FORMER PLAYERS 100 Million,
    we are paying players currently on roster 49 Miliion..
    that leaves us with 1 Million available to spend and remain compliant within the Cap..

  36. stangerx says:

    Just cause he came up today — do you guys realize how rich Ross is? I know you all know he is NFL owner rich, but he is a lot more than that.

    2nd richest NFL owner and has been crushing it with his Hudson Yard development in NYC. The largest private real estate development in the history of the country. Which means he’s getting even richer.

    So basically in his life — the Dolphins are like owning a fishing boat to have fun with on the weekends.

  37. CavalierKong says:

    https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/

    2015 Dolphins cap space – 2,780,725.
    League avg – 7,242,753.

    2016 Dolphins cap space – 12,311,049.
    League avg – 9,428,728.

    2017 Dolphins cap space – (-1,164,333).
    League avg – 11,219,020

    2018 Dolphins cap space – 6,918,411.
    League avg – 9,539,574

    2019 Dolphins cap space – 22,658,552.
    League avg – 16,787,014

  38. D says:

    pheloniusphish says:
    August 26, 2019 at 3:51 pm

    Peter King is still a Patriot’s Panties sniffer.
    ———————————————————–
    If a whiff of it ever wets your noodle you come back for more.

  39. Mike E. says:

    manitobafinfan says:
    August 26, 2019 at 3:51 pm (Edit)

    David : think of it this way.. just pulling #’s outta my ass though , so please don’t correct them..
    ****************
    You could do the opening of Sesame Street when they say “Today’s episode is brought to you by the numbers 8 and 23”. I’m sure kids would all be amused to see you pull those out of your ass. 😛

  40. manitobafinfan says:

    So anyone involved (or wanting to be involved) FMU Fantasy draft is set for Live scheduled for Wednesday, Sep 4, 2019 at 8:00pm EDT… piggy please advise yay or nay to playing this year..
    Thanks.

  41. Tim Knight says:

    My FF draft is tonight. It’s our 30th season.

  42. manitobafinfan says:

    Nice.. I have another one I have ran for upwards of 17 years .. FINALLY won it for first time last year..

  43. wyoming85 says:

  44. D says:

    manitobafinfan says:
    August 26, 2019 at 4:20 pm

    I read that 3 times as Steven King…now it makes a bit more sense..
    ——————————————————
    Stephen King probably is too, since he grew up in Maine.

  45. D says:

    Mike E. says:
    August 26, 2019 at 4:41 pm

    The one could be tough, especially if it’s not just like an”l”, like it’s the #1 with the straight bottom and the hook at the top, that could be brutal!
    ————————————————————–
    4 is obviously the worst. Though pretty much anything 2-5 seems really bad as choices too.

  46. D says:

    Overthecap has us right now about 20mil under the cap. Rolling that over to next year will put us at about 75mil under, with no re-signs, but we probably spend at least some of that to re-sign some of our own. We are gearing up for a spending year next year, so we did save more this year than spending every dime, and you can roll over money, you just have to declare how much you intend to roll over, so if they have basically banked 20, we are actually at our cap right now. I dont know how much they ear marked to roll over so not sure if we have spent every penny or not. Still the TJ move has nothing, at all to do with that. Also, to that point, Ross doesnt pocket any of the cap money if it isnt used, it is banked, not pocketed.

    • steveccnv says:

      You don’t bank the money now for next year and say you’re at your cap, you still may need money during the year to make transactions, you do it at the end of the year, and you can only designate a certain amount.

      • D says:

        It’s still banking it but I didn’t know it was done at the end. It’s a pretty variable amount, I have seen teams bank alot, like I think Cleveland banked over 50k one year

  47. The Flying Pig says:

    SOW
    Squeeze Out Wind!

    There I Personalized it for Piggy! 😉

    ****
    I don’t squeeze
    I let it go

  48. The Flying Pig says:

    Okay Toba

    I’m in

  49. steveccnv says:

    Here’s your link david

    letmegooglethatforyou.com

  50. steveccnv says:

    TJ was due to count $7.592M against the 2020 cap, so easy to see why he wasn’t in the long term plans.

    • New Age says:

      Nothing we do beyond talent eval matters this year. There shouldn’t be a single older veteran of the very average teams of the past 3-6 years that feels safe. It makes perfect sense we got rid of the cheaper McDonald over Jones and will also make sense when Jones finally leaves.

      Your posts the last few days have been spot on.

  51. son of a son of a shula says:

    This freaking blog post is about Rowe and earlier I couldn’t think of his name and referred to him as ex patriot. 🤦‍♂️

    What a drag it is growing old…

  52. Mike E. says:

    I have an interview Wednesday afternoon. Been debating whether to wear a shirt and tie, or a jacket and shirt and tie. Seems like the atmosphere these days is so much more casual, and I know for a fact the dress of the employees is casual, but I don’t want to be under dressed for the interview. I say shirt and tie, wife says jacket too. It’s been freaking 17+ years since my last interview. Thoughts?

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      Wear the jacket

    • CavalierKong says:

      This is just one opinion, but in interviews I have been a part of, I have never once thought an interviewee was overdressed. Many times I’ve thought one was under-dressed though.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        That was a much better way to say what I just was trying to say

        It’s much worse to be underdressed than overdressed

    • The Flying Pig says:

      They are more likely to judge you harshly for not swearing the jacket than they are for wearing the jacket

      Wearing the jacket allows them to tell you it’s a more causal atmosphere
      Not wearing the jacket, when it was expected, means they might think you are too casual

      You can always take off the jacket
      If they are interviewing multiple people and you are the guy that didn’t wear the jacket – as opposed to the guy that wore the jacket, it’s probably a more problematic way to be perceived

    • steveccnv says:

      Piggy says shirt and tie but no pants🐩

  53. Mike E. says:

    LOL @ Sonny!

  54. son of a son of a shula says:

    We didn’t go anywhere with the vets we had so to see this regime trying different things, McCain to safety as an example, I’m down. Tannehill gone is the best step so far. Keep going.

  55. The Flying Pig says:

    Mike

    The most important thing is to not wear any pants

  56. wyoming85 says:

  57. Mike E. says:

    Thanks for the advice guys. I guess I’m wearing the jacket . . .

  58. pheloniusphish says:

    Mike – Wear the jacket.

  59. son of a son of a shula says:

    Wear the one with the padded elbows too, very classy

  60. sb7mvp says:

    Mike, you should wear a Canadian tuxedo with no sleeves.

  61. Rockphin says:

    I haven’t had to sit for an interview since 1991.

  62. Rockphin says:

    So, what hair style should Mike E go with? I mean, if he’s not wearing pants he should do some manscaping right?

    With the similarity in coloring. may I suggest the colonel?

  63. Rockphin says:

    ▪ Miami released offensive lineman Will Hold’em

  64. mf13ss says:

    Didn’t anyone read Armando’s tweet that I posted last evening? Sheesh, guys! A whole lot of animosity towards one another could have been spared.

    We ate MORE in dead cap $$$ ($4.6M) than we saved in cap space ($1.4M) by cutting TJ McDonald.

    In other words, we didn’t cut him to create more cap space… and we’re just DANDY with cap space right now, looking ever better next year. TJ was an outright cut by the new sheriff in town, not a ‘cap casualty’.

  65. The Flying Pig says:

    Mike

    Wear this tomorrow if you really want to make an impression

  66. son of a son of a shula says:

    May as well go in a different direction. I really want Flores to finally be the guy. We’ve been here so many times hoping for this guy to be “it”. The big difference I see is Flores leadership that stands out among everyone involved. A coach that coaches the entire team and has a strong vision of what he wants to do. It looks different or perhaps better than it did with Philbin and Gase.

    I hate going through this I get sucked in every time thinking we’ll finally be good.
    Stupid drafts and shitty quarterbacks
    No leadership or vision
    Shitty Quarterback OMG
    And that’s why I sing the blues

    • steveccnv says:

      The last coach that came in that did good using the tough guy approach was Sparano, he seemed to have us going in the right direction, but all he was, was tough nosed, he really didnt have much more. Flores is use deception on D and it seems to be working, but we’ve never really seen a coach that’s moved guys around like this in positions that fit their skillset.

      We’ve been asking for it, but what do we know🤔

  67. steveccnv says:

    When your team is supposed to suck and you can’t win a preseason game it’s usually a bad sign, at least we passed that test.

  68. steveccnv says:

    Nothing worse that having a bad team and your opponent just runs the ball down your throat, we haven’t seen that like years past.

    What these signs show me is we aren’t going to be as bad as they say, so 6 wins minimum and 8-8 with steady QB play, and who knows with good OL play.

  69. steveccnv says:

    I really just hope they give us a chance, meaning don’t trade away a few guys like Fitz, that reeks of tanking.

  70. steveccnv says:

    Vegas has us at 4.5 wins, but -130. Can’t we ever get an over with better odds? Last year was 6 wins -195.

  71. Tim Knight says:

    Drafted two Dolphins tonight – RB Ballage and K Sanders as backups.

    • manitobafinfan says:

      Sanders is the kind of kicker I like , other than not being a home dome guy.. plays on a decent but not great offence that isn’t gonna punch it in for a TD every time they have the ball .. I hope he only kicks extra points this year tho 😊👍

      • Tim Knight says:

        Bye week and reliable as a backup. My starter is Jason Myers SEA.

      • manitobafinfan says:

        I look for latest bye week hopefully a dome kicker.. by the time I hit his bye week I can hold him for the one week , thus only needing two kickers on roster for a week , but sssshhhh don’t tell anyone 🤐

  72. manitobafinfan says:

    Got cha Piggy thanx

  73. wyoming85 says:

  74. D says:

  75. ocalarob says:

    next offseason will be very interesting, a slew of draft picks and a lot of cap space.

  76. ocalarob says:

    we will have 62 mill in cap space in march, and that number may go up pending cuts.

    • steveccnv says:

      They were saying 100M in cap space back in OTAs. Who knows. It only shows $1.9M in dead money for TJ and a lot of guys that won’t make the roster.

      I can see guys like Kiko, Reshad and Fitz being cut next year, that would save $29M.

      Generally when you have too much cap space it means you have too many unsigned, so not much talent.

  77. ocalarob says:

    as for Ross being cheap….there’s a salary cap floor as well, he has to spend 89% of the cap over a 4 year period. i doubt Ross cares that much about the 11% difference at the sacrifice of winning.

  78. steveccnv says:

    We’ve carried over every penny in cap space for many years now. Ross being cheap is an founded stance to take, and he really doesn’t say I’m not paying so and so that, his hands are off the contract negotiations, he mostly is just notified on big contract signings. Sure he has to give his approval, but he just listens too his advisors.

    Was it cheap when he gave Suh $100M+?

  79. ocalarob says:

    Golf Tip.

    your right elbow plays a significant role in hitting a golf ball, it can give you forward shaft lean and great lag, helps you compress the ball for effortless power, the key is getting that right elbow in front of your right hip on the way down. not as easy as it sounds.

    the way to do it is to have your arms fixed at address, trying to touch both elbows together and maintain that position till impact. the only moving parts would be your torso, shoulders and your wrists.

    if your right elbow is in the proper place before impact your hands will be behind it and your clubhead behind your hands giving you great lag and forward shaft lean.

    this is a very awkward position until you get the feel of it, once you do it correctly watch out!

    • ocalarob says:

      the term used to describe the opposite of that is called a chicken wing.

    • steveccnv says:

      As long as I keep the chicken wing down I do alright, but I’m going to have to try that.

      • ocalarob says:

        next time before you tee off put the club in your right hand only making little mini alignment swings digging that right elbow in. you’ll get the feel of that right elbow leading the way, then add your left hand.
        not only will you get power but you will hit it right down the middle.

      • steveccnv says:

        Thanks, saves this on my phone

    • D says:

      I havent golfed since i was a teenager. I was never great but fairly competitive in my circle. I dont think id like being out there on the greens in the heat anymore though. Id burn to a crisp.

  80. steveccnv says:

    If you want to talk about a cheap owner, let’s go back to Joe Robbie, before the salary cap.

  81. ocalarob says:

    i’m not saying he’s cheap, and saying that is unfounded, the only thing ross cares about is the win/loss column.

  82. steveccnv says:

    I think I’ll go out and play golf today, only 108 out there.

  83. sb7mvp says:

    D, that’s some pretty cool fan art.

    • D says:

      Yeah i was pretty impressed by it. Obviously it combines two of my most favorite things. Would be difficult to combine Tolkien’s works and Dolphins lol, so i guess ill settle for this combo

  84. D says:

    All of you really craving for FB action should love this clip

    • Rockphin says:

      LOL I remember that play. He took out three guys with one block!

      • Rockphin says:

        FOUR if you count #54 who trips over the guys Cox blocked.

      • D says:

        Yeah he definately accounted for 3 on his own, and probably one assist. They guy pretty much got taken out of the play as a result of his blocking.

    • CavalierKong says:

      LOL, my 1st thought was “big deal he’s going to wipe out a little DB. Your FB should do that.”
      Then he stacks up a 2nd guy.
      Then he stacks up a 3rd guy.
      Then the 4th guy gets caught and tripped in the pileup.

      Awesome video.

  85. D says:

    steveccnv says:
    August 26, 2019 at 11:09 pm

    Vegas has us at 4.5 wins, but -130. Can’t we ever get an over with better odds? Last year was 6 wins -195.
    —————————————–
    Is that adjusted after the Luck retiring? We have the colts on our schedule, that should have given us at least better odd in that game, and therefore an overall better standing.

    • D says:

      I trust Vegas odds-makers, they are scarily accurate most of the time, but im like you i cant see how they could have us lower than last year lol.

      • Rockphin says:

        it is simple. New system, new coaches, blow up the roster = lower expectations. (at least in the short term)

      • steveccnv says:

        They base it off of public perception and history. They really just want an equal amount bet on both sides.

  86. BailBondMike says:

    It has rained 20 out 27 days here so far this month. Looks like rain again but gotta get the grass cut. Sucks cause now I want to go to the range and try out Robs golf tip. LOL

  87. D says:

    Looks like Mills and Walford cut as well.

  88. BailBondMike says:

    I could almost see Cox on the PS to keep a 4th TE initially. Then maybe put Allen on the PUP to start season and bring Cox up then.

  89. Mike E. says:

    Those 3 guys got Cox blocked

  90. steveccnv says:

    Akeem Spence and Chase Allen also cut.

    • BailBondMike says:

      Spence is a surprise, thought he was solid in PS. Liked Chase but isn’t healthy. We seem to be purging faster than other teams.

  91. Mike E. says:

    I thought Spence would make the 53. I guess they’re gonna go with young guys like Mbu, Washington and Pittman, or maybe they also think Nkemdiche will help

  92. stangerx says:

    Didn’t take Gronk long to at least tease it:

    “When that time comes in the future, if I have the desire to play football again and I feel passionate about football again, if I’m feeling like I need to be out there on the field, I will go back to football.”

  93. D says:

    BailBondMike says:
    August 27, 2019 at 11:12 am

    Spence is a surprise, thought he was solid in PS. Liked Chase but isn’t healthy. We seem to be purging faster than other teams.
    ————————————————
    Spence doesn’t surprise me. I didn’t have him on my cut-down roster. Allen doesn’t completely either, though i had him as one of the swing cuts.

    • stangerx says:

      Guess Allen not a shocker cause some of the young LBs have looked good. Liked Spence, but mainly cause seemed like a good guy.

  94. D says:

    steveccnv says:
    August 27, 2019 at 11:03 am

    They base it off of public perception and history. They really just want an equal amount bet on both sides.
    —————————————————–
    I think i caught Ken’s bad man disease, because i just read that as pubic penetration.

  95. D says:

    Updated list:
    Clive Walford, Akeem Spence, Jordan Mills, Will Holden, Chase Allen and TJ McDonald. That means we have 31 more to go.

    • D says:

      Im kinda encouraged by the fact that a lot of the young guys arent part of the first few cuts, both for the fact that its the decent thing to do to offload the vets before the youngins to give them a better chance of finding another home and by the fact that we are seeing a youth movement, players that can grow up in the right system without the taint of another system on them.

  96. D says:

    Jalen Strong cut, again. Browns this time.

  97. stangerx says:

    D — they like to give the older guys a head start on finding a new team, but they also like to not give other teams a head start on the young guys the team is targeting for the PS.

    • steveccnv says:

      Someone has to play on Thursday, it won’t be many that already made the team. Guys like Deiter and Calhoun should be playing though. I expect E to play also.

  98. stangerx says:

    “Patriots starting center David Andrews was hospitalized Monday with blood clots in his lungs……The ramifications for Andrews’ long-term health are unclear, but he could miss the entire season, according to the report.”

    • ocalarob says:

      could be career ending, that’s what happened to chris bosh, he had to take blood thinners and any type of hit that causes bleeding could kill him, it ended his basketball career and being a football player i’d assume that would be much worse due to the contact.

    • CavalierKong says:

      That’s crazy. He’s only 27 years old, and it could be career ending.

  99. ocalarob says:

    spence is a shocker, they had him rotating with wilkins.

    • D says:

      The reason i had Spence on my cut list was that we had Godchaux, Taylor, Wilkins and then it was down to these guys all of which could play both in the 3-4 DE role and 4-3 DT role: Dwayne Hendrix, Jonathan Ledbetter, and Adolphus Washington. Then you had some that are hybrid 4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB’s like Tank, Harris, and Orchard. Finally you had a guy who can spell Wilkins and play 1 tech along with 3 Tech, Joey Mbu.

      I think there will be roughly 9 kept out of that group. I had Godchaux, Taylor, Wilkins, Orchard, Harris, and Tank as locks (barring they pick a guy up that pushes one of them down). I though that Hendrix, Ledbetter, and Mbu all proved themselves and in the case of Mbu, we really need him to backup Wilkins. So thats 9, the last spot i did consider Spence a potential for that last spot but due to age, and lack of versatility, i though Hendrix or Washington was more likely to get that last spot, or possibly we would bring in a guy from other peoples cuts to take that last spot. I went with Hendrix because he has really shown up in the PS.

  100. ocalarob says:

    pats have josh gordon and demarius thomas, to great wrs in their time, i wonder if they can still get it done? with brady that combo could be great!

    • D says:

      I think Thomas is used up, but he is still a big body target, so he has a role for them, just not as dynamic as it was. Gordon i think still has the elite potential but his head isnt screwed on right and he also isnt the most refined pass route runner so he isnt going to be versatile in their system. He’s kinda what Moss was for them, one trick pony so they will need other scary threats to keep the safeties from doubling Gordon. That use to be Gronk, but now we will see what they do. Together they might give them a complete reciver, but both individually i dont think are star potential anymore.

  101. ocalarob says:

    Godchaux, Wilkins, Taylor, Washington. MBU
    Harris, Carradine, Orchard, Ledbetter

  102. steveccnv says:

    If you aren’t a star and can’t play multiple positions on D, you’ll likely be shown the door. See ya Spence.

    Miami’s exotic D coming to a stadium near you.

    • D says:

      Yeah he is a straight up 3 tech 4-3 DT, dime a dozen to be honest. Thats your most common DT. We need someone that can switch between 1 and 3, or 3 and 5 or 5 and 7 or 9, ie the pass rush OLB.

      • D says:

        Van Ginkle is the LB version of these guys though i think he would be more of a OLB/ILB hybrid and probably wouldnt ever be hands down on the LOS

  103. naplesfan2010 says:

    I don’t think Mbu will make it to the 53 and i think Pittman goes on the PS.
    I think the next cut might be OG Dunn and / or Dwayne Allen.
    Or Horn.
    Horn has been the most invisible WR in Training Camp, however,
    so maybe they give him some snaps against NO.
    I think they keep WR Trenton Irwin on the PS.

    • D says:

      What you got against Mbu? His name to short? Lol. He is the only other guy like Wilkins we have on the roster, and he has played pretty well. Maybe he doesn’t but I think he has more of a shot than a few others

      • naplesfan2010 says:

        nothing against Mbu, but I just don’t think he makes the team. I have not noticed him flashing a pro skill set.

  104. naplesfan2010 says:

    I bet Rudock plays the whole 2nd half in the Superdome, maybe more.

  105. Tim Knight says:

    Spence was a surprise to me but not the end of the world. I like Chase Allen but he’s had trouble staying healthy and he’s been mostly a backup and STs guy so not a surprise cut. Mills didn’t look good and Walford was kind of a long shot

  106. naplesfan2010 says:
  107. naplesfan2010 says:

    actually glad we cut both Mills and Holden as they were liabilities in pass pro.
    sorry to see Spence go, but he is like TJ, just not a good fit.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Mills looked really sluggish. Don’t know if that’s always been the case or he wasn’t in shape or just not the same player that started all those games in BUF at RT.

  108. Rockphin says:

    D says:
    August 27, 2019 at 3:36 pm
    What you got against Mbu?

    Can the kid buy a vowel? M_bu there is something missing there.

  109. Rockphin says:

    CavalierKong says:
    August 27, 2019 at 3:56 pm
    Is Rudock practice squad eligible?

    Reply

    I read an article recently that all but maybe 10 of the 90 we have are practice squad eligible.

  110. naplesfan2010 says:

    I like TE Chris Mayrick for the PS.

    I don’t think Hurns makes the 53,
    because he still does not look right to me,
    like his last injury took a step away from his quicks.

  111. naplesfan2010 says:

    They must decide between DeLuca and Hanks for the last LB spot.
    I don’t think they have room for both. I like both, though.

    Poling is done. Too bad.

  112. naplesfan2010 says:

    Clowney fired his agent.

    They say Ajayi did NOT sign with Houston.

  113. naplesfan2010 says:

    Send Parker and Sterup to Houston for Clowney.

  114. naplesfan2010 says:

    Lamar Jackson wants to throw 30 passes a game.
    I hope he tries that against us, because we WILL pick one or two of those.

  115. Tim Knight says:

    We also just cleared up more cap space that would help in landing Clowney.

    • stangerx says:

      Cap space for Clowney not a problem. But that is me assuming only way he comes here is if he agrees to a long term deal. You’ve seen how low those can be done as far as first year cap hit.

  116. D says:

    naplesfan2010 says:
    August 27, 2019 at 4:31 pm

    Send Parker and Sterup to Houston for Clowney.
    ————————————————–
    Id sent Parker and Stills. Williams has been playing well enough and Grant is emergin in such a way that i do not see the need for either of those two. Still would make the deal much sweeter for Houston. I wouldnt be ashamed of our WRs if it was Williams Wilson and Grant, with Butler and Ford as the guys they mixed in. Pick up a guy off cuts and still carry 6.

  117. D says:

    naplesfan2010 says:
    August 27, 2019 at 4:30 pm

    Clowney fired his agent.

    They say Ajayi did NOT sign with Houston.
    ————————————————-
    They said that Clowney may not want to be traded at all and thats why he fired his agent, so its a possibility this all ends with him reporting and hitting FA next year.

  118. D says:

    manitobafinfan says:
    August 27, 2019 at 4:51 pm

    interesting.. I was not aware of this part…
    Clowney cannot sign a multiyear contract with the Texans — or any other team, including the Dolphins — this season, but could attempt to negotiate off of the one-year tender.
    ————————————————–
    Yeah its basically reserving the inside track to re-signing him to a multi-year deal and getting use from him this year.

  119. D says:

    I kinda like the Trent Irwin kid as a possible WR if we move Stills and/or Parker. He’s in the mold of that Welker, Edleman, etc type receiver that im sure our OC likes,

  120. D says:

    Tim Knight says:
    August 27, 2019 at 4:56 pm

    I was just pointing out that we cleared more cap space.
    ——————————————-
    there is no doubt we are trying to make the move. Getting it done will be a different matter.

  121. D says:

    Lions released that Zach Zenner kid that some of you on here liked, though i cant remember who it was that was all about him.

  122. naplesfan2010 says:

    I was just trying to be funny about Parker and Sterup to Houston as in saying they are two guys nobody would want because neither has ever done anything in the league.

    • D says:

      I think they would be interested in rolling the dice on Parker, i do think that would be a decent offer, but to get it done we would have to offer them something legit like Stills to get it done, Tunsil would be a no brainer for them, but like i said i wouldn’t even mention him much less make that trade. Id rather have Tunsil than Clowney any day, but having them both if possible would be very nice.

  123. naplesfan2010 says:

    A real trade with Houston is to send them Stills and Mark Walton.
    They might like that. It would also save them a ton of money from not needing to pay Clowns.

  124. Mike E. says:

    Drake is closer to Lamar Miller, although I think Drake could be better

  125. naplesfan2010 says:

    I am really looking forward to Drake in a creative Offense that sets him up for catching passes on a dead run. No one can run him down from behind.

  126. naplesfan2010 says:

    Antonio Brown tweets to Big Ben “We were never friends.”

  127. stangerx says:

    Thanks Toba — if Clowney can’t sign long term with us then he is dead to me. But then he did visit. Maybe we can get him one year on the real cheap…. and not talking salary but trade.

  128. stangerx says:

    “Aaron Wilson of the Houston Chronicle writes that the Clowney-Flores meeting went well…..However, Clowney would need to be persuaded to join the Dolphins, and prefers the Seattle Seahawks and Philadelphia Eagles.”

  129. Tim Knight says:

    I guess the way the Clowney trade would work is we pay him the franchise tag this year then try to negotiate a new deal next season and if that fails we franchise him in 2020 and go from there.

  130. CavalierKong says:

    A couple of players, less than a 1st rd pick, and potentially a year to see if it works… 🤔

  131. stangerx says:

    AB@AB84
    Never friends just had to get my ends…….shut up already
    ——————-
    AB to a fairly nice Big Ben tweet

  132. naplesfan2010 says:

    Big Ben is no hero to me for sure.

    • CavalierKong says:

      Yep, the Steelers fans I know out here, that are actually from Pitt, don’t think much of him as a person. I’ve heard a lot of anecdotal stories of his drunken asshatery from his younger years.

  133. naplesfan2010 says:

    I say Fuck Clowney.
    Even though he went to my state school and he has big talent, he has always seemed too egoid for my tastes.

  134. mf13ss says:

  135. mf13ss says:

    I’m not sure how I feel about possibly trading for Clowney. Part of me is like “HELL YEAH!!!”, the other part of me is like “5 years in the league, and he’s never posted double-digit sacks”.

    What I do know is that Clowney is interested in going to either the Seahawks or Eagles. If we do pull it off, I hope we don’t trade the moon to get him. Build through the Draft, augment via FA.

    • Tim Knight says:

      He wrecks a running game too though. The thing I like about him is he’s a perfect fit for our multiple defense because he can play DE and OLB. Sack totals don’t always tell the whole story.

      • mf13ss says:

        Oh, I hear ya on that, man. He has 67 QB hits over his 5 year career, which is pretty darned good. And yes, he can play LB rather well.

        Clowney is certainly a system-fit for us… I just wonder why he’s not been more prolific. It’s likely injury, which doesn’t make me feel any better about trading for him. We’ll see.

  136. Tim Knight says:

    M13, Clowney’s 1st season was basically non existent with that injury he had. His 2nd season he was still playing through the results of it. Making the pro bowl the next 3 seasons and only missing 4 games during that time is where most of his production comes from. At 26 years old he’s now in his prime and opposing offenses do have to game plan for him. He would make this defense another animal.

  137. olddolphan says:

    TOMORROW AROUND 1:00 pm MRS. OD HAS HER 4TH BACK SURGERY, this time solely on her fractured L-1. Sunday, I’m scheduled for an MRI on my abdomen, looking for more cancer. However, the presence of storm DORIAN in the area may force a cancellation of my test. Thankfully, the flooding in our neighborhood has greatly subsided. So, if Dorian pays us a visit this weekend, I may NOT be fishing in our living room, which is located next to a pond. Needless to say, this has been the toughest summer of my life.
    —————————————
    I fully expect OHIO STATE to take FLORIDA ATLANTIC TO THE CLEANERS on Saturday afternoon in the HORSE SHOE, to the delight of 108,000 Buckeye fans. It will be shown nationwide on FOX in all regions, I am reliably told.
    ————————————–
    I’M BEGINNING to get the feeling that ROSEN will be our starter on opening day vs. the Ravens. I truly hope he doesn’t get killed by our porous and under-talented offensive line. (HOW MANY years have we been saying this???) MY GUESS is that whoever starts the LAST GAME of our regular season is NOT currently on our team. SURE HOPE I’m WRONG on that prediction.

    SORRY I’ve been off the board most of the last several months. I truly hope, and believe, better days are ahead for my family.

    • Tim Knight says:

      OD, wishing you and the Mrs. all the best.

      As for the OL, just remember we have not seen the projected 5 play much together so far. Tunsil has been a healthy scratch in every PS game and Kilgore has played sparingly. I think the coaches have been taking a long look at the depth chart to see who’s the best of the rest of what they have. The OL in the preseason has had some ugly moments for sure, but they’ve also helped us move the ball quite a bit and score some points. I don’t think we know yet where we are on the OL.

    • wyoming85 says:

      Best wish’s for you and Miss OD!

    • stangerx says:

      Hoping the easy time there can be for Mrs. OD.

      • olddolphan says:

        YEP! –Many thanks to Wyoming, Tim, and Young Stanger for all the good wishes.
        And, Jon, I’m STILL ON FOR GAME ONE Vs. the Ravens!!

  138. ocalarob says:

    i’m not holding my breath on clowney, the thing is he may be a one year rental as any team that trades for him will have to use the franchise tag placed on him at 15.9 mil. they can not sign him to a new contract until the new league year. what that means is he could walk in march so what’s his value? i would say very limited.

    • Tim Knight says:

      You franchise him again as you work on a new deal. If you trade for a guy like him you’re willing to get a long term deal done. There’s no way the plan is to just have him play in 2019. That makes no sense.

      • ocalarob says:

        you just can’t keep franchising him as the whole amount hits your cap and it would be a huge amount for his 2nd tag. it would affect your cap.

      • ocalarob says:

        i’m not saying don’t try to pursue him i’m just wondering under those circumstances, what’s his value?

      • Tim Knight says:

        Yes you can and that’s what gives you control for more than one year. His long term contract is going to be more per year than the franchise tag. Just look at what elite edge guys are being paid. Players want the long term deal over the franchise tag.

      • ocalarob says:

        it could be a 2 year rental at a big hit on the cap. it’s not like we are getting a player and signing him to a long term contract with a signing bonus spread out.

        it affects his value

  139. Tim Knight says:

    OD, it’s all about proving it and showing all of us on the field. There is no other way. 😉

    • olddolphan says:

      When it comes to the Dolphins’ O-Line, I’m convinced they do NOT have ENOUGH solid linemen to get the job done during a 16-game season. But I sure hope they prove me wrong. I’d at least like to see JUST ONE MORE PLAYOFF WIN while I’m still here on earth. And DITTO THAT FOR MRS. OD!!!!
      ———–
      OUT FOR TONIGHT!!

      • Tim Knight says:

        We’re not expected to be a contender this year. But the way this team has set things up don’t think this is a 3-4 year rebuild. We could be a contender in 2020 if some of the moves we’ve made and make pan out – Rosen, Clowney and the 2020 FA with lots of cap and a nice stock of draft picks. We’ve all seen it happen. Teams can turn things around in the NFL in 2 years with the right moves.

  140. naplesfan2010 says:

    Good Luck to OD and the Mrs.
    am thinking this whole preseason has been one big decoy
    plus the need to give all these young ones practice time.

  141. ocalarob says:

    sorry to hear tha OD, i hope for the best for her. i have had 4 back surgeries on L-4,L-5, it’s not fun that’s for sure!

  142. naplesfan2010 says:

    I think unless clowney goes to a team he perceives as “a contender” and “worthy” of having him,
    he is just going to take the money and coast through games with minimal effort.
    Maybe if he gets caught up in a Super Bowl drive, he will exert himself,
    but I just don’t see him giving 100% for us

    • ocalarob says:

      he’ll be playing lights out this year because he’s on a franchise tag and is playing for a long term contract, after he gets that long term deal will he coast??? who knows?

      • Tim Knight says:

        Fans and media say this stuff all the time as if players have no pride and goals in their careers. It’s not all guaranteed so if a player coasts he doesn’t get that number everyone barks at.

  143. wyoming85 says:

  144. wyoming85 says:

    ??????????????

  145. wyoming85 says:

  146. mf13ss says:

    Mr. Randy Campbell,

    I offer you and your Mrs. my continued prayers, sir. Hope y’all get some very good news in the near future, what with your health situations. Hang in there, for good things are certainly on the horizon for you both. Stay strong!

  147. mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    August 27, 2019 at 7:45 pm
    M13, Clowney’s 1st season was basically non existent with that injury he had. His 2nd season he was still playing through the results of it. Making the pro bowl the next 3 seasons and only missing 4 games during that time is where most of his production comes from. At 26 years old he’s now in his prime and opposing offenses do have to game plan for him. He would make this defense another animal.
    —————–
    Your glass is ALWAYS half full, Brother! I respect that, but I’m always looking at the best and worst possible scenarios… it’s in my nature.

    So long as we don’t get ripped off in a potential trade for Clowney, I think I’m for it. Just know that Clowney fired his long-time agent Bus Cook, and he prefers to go to either the Seahawks or Eagles. We’ll see what happens.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I know all that and I’ll be fine if we don’t land him. I’m focused on why we’re pursuing him. If all the negatives about him were so strong and true, do you think Grier and Flores are clueless or are they a little closer to all of this than the media and fans are? I get tired of amateurs telling everyone what it is. Not a knock on you, in general. We’re not NFL coaches or personnel people. Social media gives everyone a voice but it doesn’t make any of us pros in the game because we’re not.

      I try to understand the reasoning of why a team tries to acquire a player.

  148. mf13ss says:

    Tim,

    I’d like to ask you… what do you think would be a fair trade to land Clowney? Again, I’m not against trading for Clowney, rather, what is your threshold for a fair trade?

    • Tim Knight says:

      I really have no idea because one of the points made in the MH story is we walked away from the Texans first proposal that included a 2020 1st rd pick. But talks have continued.

      As an amateur lol, I’d say a 2nd rd pick and a player they like. They have an issue with paying him along with Watt, Hopkins and soon Jackson. That’s the unfortunate thing with a cap, you can’t afford a lot of top players if you were fortunate to draft that many top level players. That said, what’s going on in Houston, all that talent and what?

      • naplesfan2010 says:

        watson

      • mf13ss says:

        Yeah, I don’t want to part with a 1st rounder, to be sure… and I’m not sure I want to part with a 2nd rounder, either. I haven’t the answer to make the trade happen, unless the Texans are in love with Kenny Stills and maybe another player of ours… along with a 3rd rounder. JMO

      • Tim Knight says:

        Yes, I just drafted FF last night and all sorts of names are in my mind. LOL

  149. CavalierKong says:

    Tim,

    I don’t think it’s goofy at all. The top DEs are topping out at over 20 mil per yr. Say we get Clowney for a 2nd and a 5th plus a player or two, then we keep him two years, lose him and get a 3rd as compensatory. We got a 2 yr rental of a premier player at less than market value and swapped a 2nd/5th for a 3rd.

    If we really like the player during/after year one, and we seem to be moving in the right direction, then we try to hammer out that deal to make it long term. If for whatever reason it doesn’t work, then we aren’t hampered by a long term contract a la Suh and others.

    Will it all play out like that? IDK. It seems to me he wants to play for a contender right now which may rule us out. We’ll see what kind of pull Flores’ meeting had. But I don’t think it sounds like a crazy, never happen scenario.

  150. wyoming85 says:

    So!
    If Flores is OK with Clowney’s attitude?
    Grier is good with the money?

    Why would you not want Clowney?

    Asking for a friend??????????????????

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      lol tell your friend Clowney is worth 2-3 Ws we wouldn’t have in 2019, maybe more if harris does not break out and Carradine mushes along as he has been.

      PS: I know you r friend knows this and just doesn’t want to drink the purple drank.

  151. steveccnv says:

    Haven’t any if these guys heard of a conditional draft pick🤔

    You give Houston compensation now that’s fair for both teams as if we have him for 2 years, then conditional pick(s), if we sign him long term.

  152. wyoming85 says:

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      I just love this new coach. You see the look he gave that asshat?
      I mean that Brian Flpres is a real man right there.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      He had to tell people not to park in handicap spots?

    • Tim Knight says:

      He’s a no nonsense guy. Not a great public orator but his football vision is pretty clear. It’s the Pats/Belichick motto of “do your job.”

      He learned under it in NE for 14 years in multiple phases. How do you not get something out of that? It’s like asking someone if they like being a Motar. LOL

  153. Tim Knight says:

    M13, we have two 2nd rd picks in 2020. You don’t get players like Clowney for kibbles and bits. LOL

    Our team is courting him for sure so as fans we need to take it at face value and put our own GM hats down. We’re negotiating.

    • mf13ss says:

      I’m just sayin’… if we don’t have our franchise QB on the roster right now (we’ll see), we’ll need all the firepower we have to move up in the 2020 Draft.

      As such, I’m not sure I want to part with any future Draft picks at this time. That just me, though.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I think it’s time to think of Rosen as our potential franchise QB just like everyone else does from last year’s draft of all the QBs. The ARZ/Murray thing we all know about. Josh has been put through a ringer and like Aaron Rodgers fell in the 2005 draft I see a chip on the shoulder the same way with Rosen. Let it play out, we have him on the cheap for the next 3-4 years.

  154. CavalierKong says:

    Tim,
    Why only Super Bowl, why not playoffs? Is it crazy to think we might make the playoffs next year?

    Frankly, I’m glad we don’t have the opportunity to sign him to a giant contract right off the bat. We have been burned by these things multiple times in the last decade.

    • CavalierKong says:

      It’s cool, we see it different. I just don’t see anything wrong with getting a premier edge defender for under market value knowing it may only be for a couple of years.

  155. naplesfan2010 says:

    Remember the Suh contract?
    we are still in cap pain because of that.
    Don’t do it again.
    clowney is the same kind of guy as Suh.
    They play their position and have enormous talent,
    but they are not team guys, and they do not take their team to greater heights.

    We should NOT trade draft picks for a guy like Suh or Clowney
    and we should NOT be the fools who give guys like that $100M contracts
    and end up suffering for years.

    Now if we want him for 2 yrs, fine.
    So trade guys we don’t want or need such as Stills and Parker and Walton and Alonso, then fine and we pay the FT money to Clowney for a year so he plays hard to get the big bucks and then we let someone else play the fool like we did for Suh.

  156. wyoming85 says:

    • CavalierKong says:

      He’ll end up signing the tender and playing for the Texans. Texans will have a solid year and win the division, then lose 48-6 to the Patriots in the divisional round of the playoffs, LOL.

  157. steveccnv says:

    Clowney at RDE teaming up with Baker coming up the middle could be pretty good. What I like about Clowney is he doesn’t fly by the end leaving a gaping running lane, he goes through the LT.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Been thinking that too. Baker as a Joker – will he rush or drop from all angles? He has shown great instincts in all phases this offseason. I think we found a gem – you know one of those quick and fast 3-down LBs. Enjoy it! 🙂

  158. steveccnv says:

    The military won’t take you unless your IQ is at least 75. Anyone know, besides athletes, what kind of work you can do?

    Sports writer, these guys have to be the dumbest people on the planet, take Omar for example…

  159. sb7mvp says:

    Unless you fleece the Texans in a trade, you dont make a move on a guy like Clowney to rent him for 2 years on a rebuilding team. It makes absolutely zero sense. Oh, we got a 3rd round comp pick several years later??? Yeah, that makes all the difference. Lol. Keep our draft picks, grow our salary cap, stay the course and build through the draft. Moves like these are why we are finding new coaches every several years.

    • steveccnv says:

      No one is talking about renting him for 2 years, it would be a 2 year trial, if we had done that with Suh, he would’ve been gone after 2 years, saving us well over $40M.

  160. pheloniusphish says:

    Slow news morning.

  161. ocalarob says:

    our defense looks to be a whole lot better than last years D, they are swarming to the ball! can’t wait for the season opener against the Ravens, that should tell us where this team is really at.

  162. Mike E. says:

    NEW BLOG UP!!!

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