Dolphins walloped by Patriots in 43-0 shutout

I would like to think after seeing what QB Ryan Fitzpatrick has done for the Dolphins so far this season that the decision to go forward with Josh Rosen as the starter is going to happen as early as Game 3, away against the Cowboys. In very limited time yesterday, Rosen had 2 potential TD’s dropped in the same drive, one to Jakeem Grant and one to Preston Williams, both very catchable balls that were mishandled. Obviously when you lose 43-0, who starts at QB isn’t the only issue, but the notion that the veteran QB gives them a better chance to win on Sunday simply can’t be true.

I said it before the season that the Dolphins were putting a lot on Eric Rowe’s plate. If we had 2 poor CB’s, he wouldn’t see as much action as pass attempts would probably be divided more equally, but with Xavien Howard on the other side of the field, teams will always look to exploit the weak link. Rowe has struggled here as the starter, after being used sparingly in NE for the past 3 seasons. Rowe started only 12 total games for the Patriots, and it’s pretty clear why. Rowe is not up to the task, but our depth at CB just isn’t there, with Jomal Wiltz, Chris Lammons and Johnson Bademosi.

I look at our O-line and D-line and think “Who are these guys”? If I told you Jesse Davis would be our LT a month ago you’d surely laugh. If I told you veteran DT John Jenkins, formerly of the Saints, Seahawks and more recently the NY Giants would be our starting RDE in our 3-4 base you’d say “huh?”. I love Godchaux, glad to see he’s still with us, but surprising he’s at the nose instead of DE where Jenkins is. Jenkins is 330lbs, you’d think they would flip flop those 2. Rookie LG Michael Deiter has been OK, and veteran OC Dan Kilgore is doing his best. Tough task for Kilgore with Deiter on one side and newly acquired Danny Isidora on the other. Now, veteran J’Marcus Webb is our RT, not LT. Good job Naples, you called the Webb signing!

Then there’s the Minkah defection. Here’s Minkah’s strengths in his draft profile:


  • Loves ball, lives ball
  • Extremely competitive play demeanor with a history of showing up big in the biggest games
  • Versatile chess piece with experience all over the field
  • Can step right in and cover the slot, play high safety or handle nickel linebacker responsibilities
  • Good feet with ability to transition backward and forward smoothly around the field
  • Gets to top chase speed quickly
  • Can become rangy safety
  • Able to stick a foot in ground and drive to the ball
  • Plays with “ball-man” vision of an off-ball defender in basketball
  • Has awareness from zone to make loads of plays
  • Has nine career interceptions and four pick-sixes
  • Has downhill mindset as a hitter
  • Plays off of blocks and into tackling position
  • Dangerous blitzer off the edge
  • Attacks line of scrimmage from high safety look in run support and welcomes physical challenges
  • Special teams ace with 22 career coverage tackles

So where the heck does this 2nd year player come off not only complaining about how he’s being used, but actually asking for a trade? Some here want to defend that? Clueless! We’re on Game #3, deal with it! To me, this may be the most disappointing development so far this season. The team invests a high 1st RD draft pick on this player and he has the audacity to request a trade in only his second season. Garbage!

It’s been nearly impossible to make any kind of evaluation on our running backs or even our WR’s. We’re -92 in just 2 games, so how can you evaluate anything? Our RB’s have a total of 23 carries for 52 yards, and Kalen Ballage has 5 yards on 9 carries. Ugh! Of course the O-line and also the level of competition we have played factors in (Ravens, Patriots). It doesn’t get any easier as we play the Dallas Cowboys in their house. Dak Prescott is playing out of his mind so far, Zeke is just getting back into the groove, and the defense which looks to be pretty good behind DeMarcus Lawrence and Leighton Vander Esch hasn’t hit it’s stride yet, but will have a much easier job against us. Our best hope is the Cowboys look past us as they play at New Orleans the following week (w/o Drew Brees).

Going forward, I want to see Josh Rosen in at QB. I can’t stomach the sight of Ryan Fitzpatrick leading this team any longer. If there was initially the thought that Ryan Fitzpatrick gives this team the best chance to win, that thought certainly has perished. Our QB alone won’t elevate our team to victory, but it looks clear to me that Josh Rosen is the more talented QB at this juncture, he can make the throws that Fitz can’t, so it’s time. I’d like to see J’Marcus Webb at LT and Jesse Davis at his more natural RT spot. He looks slow and overmatched at LT. He will still be slow and overmatched at RT, but at least his mechanics are more familiar there. We have to get some offense going, it’s been dreadful. We complained for years that scoring 17-19 points a game doesn’t cut it during the Tannehill era, well now we’re down to 5 PPG, and that must change NOW!

I want to see Chandler Cox in the backfield in some power formation and let’s make some noise! I think Rosen can give us a little spark, but all the other pieces around him have to work at a high level in order to be competitive. Gesicki is slowly coming around, he has 3 catches for 42 yards. If I told you after 2 games that no receiver or running back has not yet reached 100 total yards yet, would you believe it? Who’s closest? WR Preston Williams has 87 yards receiving. We just have to run the ball to open up the passing game. I saw Fitz play action fake about 20 times yesterday and defenders didn’t buy more than 2 of those. They were coming after him and frankly it looked silly. We need to have a few sustainable drives or our defense will be toast before we get to the BYE week. We need all hands on deck, and that includes the mutinous Minkah. C’mon son, you’re a better man than that, TEAM FIRST!!!!!



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  1. olddolphan says:

    WYOMING: REPLY for YOU below your 4:55 post. ENJOY!!

  2. CavalierKong says:

    Sheesh, Niners with their 4th TO, 2nd in the red zone. Somehow Niners only down 6-0 lol

  3. wyoming85 says:

  4. Mike E. says:

    The owner Steve Ross asked for a rebuild, and the GM Chris Grier is obliging him, Complaining about tearing down this team that has sucked for decades makes no sense. Can’t we at least wait until we complete a couple of drafts that we are totally stocked with plenty of picks to complain? Hating Steve Ross for rebuilding now also makes no sense. You all say blow it up every season this team has no talent, so they blew it up! Now you have to be patient and see what happens next, or you’re just contradicting yourself!

    • The Flying Pig says:

      (Slow clap)

      • olddolphan says:

        I HAVE NEVER said “blow it up!” What I HAVE said is a combination of 2 things: 1) build around the good players YOU DO HAVE and get rid of the bums and 2)if the owner and FO combined make bad selection after bed selection, replace them, Too!
        ——–CONTRAST that to what we now have. IT IS: Get rid of the vast majority of our players and replace them with lesser players and draft picks. Said draft picks to be made by MANY OF THE SAME PEOPLE who selected the bums (or under producing players) IN THE FIRST PLACE. THAT’s what we have now.

  5. The Flying Pig says:

    This will help offset some bitterness about minkah stats today

  6. The Flying Pig says:


  7. wyoming85 says:

    There is nothing wrong with being proud of the previous Dolphin teams!

    Hell I’d dare say without their success we would not be talking right now!

    But what the team is doing now has no bearing on the past!

    If you can’t look forward you will be miserable (more than going 8-8) for the next 2 years!

    It’s just my opinion, It doesn’t count for much!!!!!!!

    • olddolphan says:

      I HEAR YOU, Wyoming. However, no matter how old or how new Shula’s statements are, they DO ring true with me. And I happen to believe that “Blowing Up the Team,” good players and bad, IS NOT THE BEST POLICY.
      BUT, like you, my opinion doesn’t count for much, either. That said, I do believe my many decades of being a season ticket holder, combined with my service to my country, gives me the right to call out ANYBODY when I think they are wrong!

      WHEN I GOT BACK from active duty, I told a minister that I believed both political parties mismanaged the Vietnam War. The minister replied that “you have a right to your opinion as long as you agree with me!” And he went on to tell me how perfectly great both Presidents Johnson and Nixon were!”

  8. ElephantRider says:

    Bravo Mike E

  9. wyoming85 says:

  10. CavalierKong says:

    The Cardinals said thanks for nothing Pirates

    • Mike E. says:

      The Pirates are about as good as the Steelers offense w/o Roethlisberger. lol

      Or as good as Minkah tackling Kyle Juszczyk ๐Ÿ™‚

      • CavalierKong says:

        LOL, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a team pack it in so completely the last month of the season.

  11. wyoming85 says:

    Fuck Football!

  12. Mike E. says:

    I think as Dolphins fans we at least have something to look forward to. I liked the way Rosen played today. We may have ourselves a QB. Without question, as long as Rosen is healthy there is no reason to ever see Ryan Fitzpatrick again.

    • CavalierKong says:

      Completely agree. Rosen showed some good promise in the 1st half. I’m actually looking forward to next week just to see him play again.

      • CavalierKong says:

        And if the bums we have at WR and RB can stop killing drives, maybe we can grab a lead for the 1st time this season and/or compete for a win.

  13. olddolphan says:

    Mike E: Response to you just below your 5:22 post.

  14. Mike E. says:

    OD – Grier has been the GM since 2017. I don’t think it’s accurate to say that the entire roster we just turned over was chosen by him,. That’s just an easy jab, but it’s not true. Tannehill, Gore, Wake, Ju’Wuan James, Stills, Alonso, McDonald. There are more but all those guys were picked previous to Grier being the GM. The 2 players that bothered me were Tunsil and Fitzpatrick, but as I alluded to earlier, we should be getting more than enough compensation to replace them and more.

  15. CavalierKong says:

    Niners doing everything they can to lose this game, smh.

  16. wyoming85 says:

  17. wyoming85 says:

  18. New Age says:

    I didn’t get to watch the game but saw the highlights and read the media responses. I’ll continue to hate the Tunsil trade because we have no OL and you can’t win without one. We are at the point we have to hope Grier knocks it out of the park because this team has very little talent. Our WRs are terrible asnd Grant, who we just extended, is one of the worst. Davis, who we also just extended, is also pretty bad. I’m not getting the idea behind extending that garbage players and trading off all the good, young ones.

    Maybe next week we’ll see what a TD looks like going into game 4. Rosen is the reason to watch the Dolphins and he has nothing to work with. Our defense is also quite terrible. Where are the building blocks again?

  19. wyoming85 says:

  20. CavalierKong says:

    SMH, another TO by the Niners

  21. The Flying Pig says:

    Steelers take the loss!

  22. The Flying Pig says:

    Letโ€™s go chargers

  23. Rockphin says:

    Right now Steeler’s Pick for Minkah is tied for the #1 pick with ours…

    • The Flying Pig says:

      There are 7 teams without a win
      But one of them is the cards and they have a tie
      We are in a 5 way tie for 0-3
      Root for the redskins tomorrow so itโ€™s not a 6 way tie

    • What if Miami got the number one and number two selections? Wow

      If so, one pick likely could be traded down .

      Btw Mike, NOBODY changes their a/c when it’s one year old, lol.
      Find a different analogy ๐Ÿ˜Ž

  24. Rockphin says:

    has anyone ever had the #1 & #2 pick in the same draft?

  25. Rockphin says:

    NFL Team

    Arizona Cardinals
    Cincinnati Bengals
    Denver Broncos
    Miami Dolphins
    New York Jets
    Pittsburgh Steelers
    Washington Redskins

    Draft order right now

  26. It’s tough to believe, but new AC installed in a home in Florida , is between $9,000 and $11,000

    10 years ago You could get a new ac system for $3300-$4200

  27. Steeler fans comments are suggesting they stole Minkah from Miami
    Minkah had an interception and a forced fumble today, he seems at home, Steelers need some offense, but their defense is rounding into good shape

    They really miss Ben and Brown on that offense, it’s a popcorn dink and dunk offense without B and B

  28. My magic Youth basketball team that I coach, won their second game today, 41-22.

    Last week we won 51-3.
    We played what used to be the best team in the league, and we did it with our best player missing the game, and our second best player got his ankle twisted near halftime.

    I gave a sportmanship award to our fallen teammate, he wanted to keep playing for his team, but injured players don’t play in this league, they are only 15-17 years old and parents would have a cow , if You don’t pull their injured child out

    I talked with the league manager, and he said the championship game will likely be us and that team
    It’s going to be us, My boys are kicking ass, playing wicked defense, rebounding, stealing the ball, one kid even made 4 three pointers today, it was a blast ๐Ÿ˜Ž

    • Correction, last week was 48- 3
      I counted our last 3’point shot, but the ref said time was expired. Of course refs are always wrong, lmao.
      We had a bad ref today too, a couple times our players got knocked down and no call, but he was calling Ricky tack shit on our guys

      Refs always trying to help the losing team so the games are close,

      WTF I say just let the kids play , and whatever happens happens

  29. Coaches are funny, the other teams coach was trying to intimidate Me by walking in front of Me and standing in front of our bench.

    I told my assstant coach to stand near the wall, and I stood near the boundary line.

    He tries to go back to his team, but has to step onto the floor to go around us, lol
    The ref called a technical for the coach stepping onto the court during live play, and the ref called a technical on him, lol

    He stayed on his end for the rest of the game, lmao
    He really screwed up at the end too, one of his players had a sprained wrist, and it was their best player, so the coach didn’t take him out

    Then his injured player got knocked down and injured worse, kid was crying. I couldn’t believe it.
    I called timeout and told the ref my boys will not finish the game , unless the injured player on their side comes out

    His mom walked onto the court, and took him out, lol. He will be ok, just a little sore

  30. Phindog says:

    Oh.. And one time at band camp ….. ๐Ÿค“

  31. mf13ss says:

    Mike E. says:
    September 22, 2019 at 4:37 pm
    M โ€“ Not sure how or why you want to fire Grier. We tore this house down to the bare bones…
    Mike E, part of it was just me blowing off steam after another blowout loss… part of it was this:

    Chris Grier willingly jettisoned some of his best picks since he became defacto GM in 2017, some of whom we’d need for the rebuild. I don’t want to get too deep into the matter, but if I was Grier? I’d be asking for the team to trade ME. So in that regard, perhaps I shouldn’t hold Grier culpable for my frustrations.

    Sufficed to say, I’m not a happy camper that we traded Tunsil and Minkah. Yeah, I kind of get trading Minkah, but I’m not sure I like it… or Minkah for being a petulant child in wanting out.

    I’m just just flabbergasted, bud… what can I say?

  32. mf13ss says:

    WOOOOO! First time I saw that trailer for “The Rise of Skywalker” on TV! I saw it about 2-3 weeks ago online.

  33. naplesfan2010 says:

    Aside from the fact that it was Ezekiel,
    why are we getting gashed up the middle?
    I thought we had that shit more under control this year?

  34. mf13ss says:


    Additionally — regarding getting gashed up the middle — I thought that between Raekwon and Baker sewing up the middle, we’d be golden. Man… Raekwon and Baker (contingent on 3-4 vs 4-3) have really let us down.

  35. I didn’t see todays game, but it’s baffling that Wilkins hasn’t made some noise yet

  36. naplesfan2010 says:

    I saw during the broadcast that “Dolphins Fire Sale” segment.
    It looks bad when it’s all put together that way,
    but many of the moves were made for legitimate, if painful, reasons.

    Stills talked himself out of town. Minkah whined himself out.
    Wake had to be retired, so we set him up with a last Big Paycheck, out of respect.

    We needed to get younger, so letting Quinn and Amendola go made sense,
    although I would have kept both. However … then we find out
    Quinn was due for a suspension, and Amendola had GF problems at the Beach.

    The fan base had soured on Tannehill, so he needed a fresh start (pardon the pun).
    I would not have cut Sitton, but his best days were behind him.

    Alonso was a liability in covering TEs and RBs and Spence in run D,
    which really is their jobs,
    plus they were not good scheme fits with the new defense,
    so better to cut them and train new men to play the way the new coach wants to play it.

    Trading Tunsil was a mistake done out of desperation to get out of the 8-8 rut.
    I would have paid Juwuan James, because he’s my boy,
    but I’m a bit too sentimental, and it’s a business.

    I witnessed the Marlins fire sale, and I don’t this is like that.

    • I didn’t see anything wrong with Stills or Minkah being malcontents, what I saw is a poorly managed team designed to tank, and two proud warriors wanted no part of it

      If Stills and Minkah were happy to tank, with no commitment to win from Ross, Grier, or Flores, then I would question why

      It’s best for ALL players to move on from Miami, it’s a shit franchise

      The reports of some players wanting to be traded, turned out to be correct

  37. Minkah started at FS today, came up with a pick and forced a fumble. He did have a oenalty, but played well overall, and did NOT ask to be traded after the game because Steelers KNOW Minkah is NOT a lb

    Minkah needs to play free safety, it’s his position,

    he’s very good at FS, could possibly make a pro bowl this year or the next, he is not a malcontent, Dolphins just mismanaged him and he wanted better

  38. naplesfan2010 says:

    They are playing Wilkins to eat double teams, similar to what they asked Suh to do.
    I think it was a mistake to make Suh do that,
    and I think it is a mistake to require Wilkins to do that.

    It’s one thing to ask Paul Soliai to eat doubles, because that is what he was meant to do,
    and he could do little else, and it really helped us for him to do it.

    Suh and Wilkins can help more if used differently. They are dynamic and can be game changers.
    I’ve watched Wilkins a lot, and I warned when we drafted him, that he could be misused and disappear off the stat sheet.

    I also warned against using Minkah all over the field instead of giving him one job to do and letting him excel.

    Coaches should not mess with a guy’s mojo. That’s a special thing and should be allowed to continue unabated with its own inertia, not blunted by his own coaches until he has lost the Big Mo.

    • Much agreed, a first round pick is a terrible thing to waste. How and why the Fins couldn’t manage Minkah and why Ryan started the first two games, is just piss poor management

      Rosen won the preseason, and they started Ryan anyway? That’s just dumb coaching

      Ross needs to sell the team so they can rebuild correctly, and the new owner needs to find a new coach that’s committed to win, Flores is NOT the answer, and is the wrong person to guide the team during its rebuild
      Dolphins need a coach that can bring all of these new players from the drafts ahead and make a team out of them
      Ross, Grier, and Flores, are not the right guys to select, and coach up the new players into contenders

      We have tons of picks, but we all remember Irelands last draft when the Dolphins were loaded with 5 picks in the top 82 selections, yet Ireland managed to fuck it all up anyway and get fired due to his incompetence

      The Dolphins strategy of acquiring extra picks will backfire horribly if the wrong players are selected, and the coaching sucks and they aren’t managed properly

      The rebuild needs to include the incompetent FO to be complete, and the team needs to do it , before they screw up the 2020 draft

  39. I think this is Mike Tomlins last year too
    He rode Cowhers players to a SB about 12 years ago, and the team has steadily declined every year since
    With Ben expected to not play again, it seems like they should do the same as Miami, bring in new blood and start over

  40. mf13ss says:

    All I’m going to say regarding our FO is THIS…

    Over recent years (2000s+), constant cellar-dwellers with all of their early (<– sometimes MULTIPLE) draft picks, we've seen teams FAIL to rebuild properly. I'll cite the Detroit Lions and Cleveland Browns as examples.

    Now MAYBE the Browns have finally gotten it right with the hire of John Dorsey (Lord knows I wanted him to be our GM back in '12, with the coaching change from Sparano to Philbin… but we kept Jeff Ireland, SMH). It's still too early to tell if the Browns are going to be perennials. And the Lions are still just the measly Lions.

    So I ask… IF Chris Grier IS the man for the job… why'd we trade all of his excellent draft picks???

  41. mf13ss says:

    David C (@DolphinsSB52) says:
    September 22, 2019 at 10:33 pm
    The only answer is to save money on payroll and tank for Tua
    My buddy, I do NOT like the narrative you’re pushing, that Ross is trying to save money. The man has probably spent more money than any other owner on players in recent memory. Know who has to swallow dead cap? The OWNER.

    Steve Ross is ANYTHING but cheap, and that’s a FACT. Clueless? YES!!! But cheap? NO!!!

  42. mf13ss says:


    Sorry, Bro. I didn’t mean to come off as abrasive to ya.

  43. We good buddy

    I don’t think Ross was cheap on the stadium renovation, that’s his investment, and he will get an ROI. On it.

    It’s the payroll that is cheap, most of the talent is gone and the remaining players were dirt cheap compared to the ones that left over the last three years

    If Ross is preparing to sell the team, these are actually shrewd business decisions, but if Ross thinks this is the way to proceed, Fins are in for a rocky road

  44. 2019 isn’t the first year that being cheap cost Miami, this has gone on for 3 years

    Failing to ink Landry to bring in the cheaper Amendola and Wilson was a huge setback to the team

    Amendola is gone, and Wilson is totally useless.
    Albert Wilson is extremely overrated and no help whatsoever.

    From then til now, Fins have unloaded about 20 contracts to much inferior players with cheaper contracts.

    The season ticket holders that paid upfront to see veteran pricey talent, is instead stuck with an inferior cheap knockoff of a team
    Ross taking the money before unloading Tunsil, Stills, Minkah, Alonso, and a few others for cheap nobodies , is cheating the season ticket holders who pAy thousands of dollars for seats, parking, food, etc

  45. ocalarob says:

    The good new about yesterday was Rosen, the man has a rocket for an arm. we will probably build a team around him which is great as we won’t have to use an early pick on a QB.

    great move last year getting him for a 2nd rnder.

  46. ocalarob says:

    It’s not going to get any easier, we had 2 OL go down, Davis and Isidora.

  47. ocalarob says:

    i like Rosen’s pocket presence and his escapability, he does a good job buying time with his moves

  48. ocalarob says:

    he’s much better than Fitzpatrick!

  49. ocalarob says:

    that was a viscous hit Hurns took, how was that not a penalty? looked like a defenseless rec to me

  50. ocalarob says:

    too many drops, and oh yeah DRAKE SUCKS!

  51. ocalarob says:

    i’m not too thrilled with ballage either!

  52. wyoming85 says:

    We didn’t get “Gashed up the middle”!

    We got gashed off tackle! With cutback lanes !

  53. wyoming85 says:

  54. ocalarob says:

    i watched charles harris and taco charlton, i think taco is better

  55. BailBondMike says:

    New A/C installed in a home in Florida is between 9,000 and 11,000.
    Wow, that’s a ripoff!!! I had my entire system replaced. The outside unit replaced. The heat and A/C unit in the attic replaced. All new wiring and copper tubing. New drip pan that has an automated pump that pumps the water out. New door for the intake vent. They caulked and sealed the intake shaft to the attic. Everything new except for duct work and the whole deal cost me 4,950. I don’t have a small house either per say, it’s 2300 sq. ft. Oh, and I live in FL.

  56. Rockphin says:

    David C (@DolphinsSB52) says:
    September 23, 2019 at 12:01 am
    2019 isnโ€™t the first year that being cheap cost Miami, this has gone on for 3 years

    You can argue what every you want, but Ross has never been cheep when it comes to paying players or coaches.

  57. Rockphin says:

    So, I wonder which street free agent O linemen they are going to sign this week? Do you guys think they move someone up from the practice squad?

  58. wyoming85 says:

  59. CavalierKong says:


  60. CavalierKong says:

    AB to file grievance against the Pets. This case appears to be more complicated than the Raiders situation. he may have a case.

  61. D says:

    Thats a second TD pass Parker has dropped. Why the fuck cant that guy stay consistent. He can look freaking amazing some plays and just putrid others.

  62. pheloniusphish says:

    I am firmly convinced (despite the Window Lickerโ€™s oft-repeated narrative) that they will not draft a QB early next year. I think slight trade back then OL or DE.

  63. D says:

    Wtf X

  64. ocalarob says:

    only 5 months till free agency!

    i’ve never been so giddy about the off season!

  65. wyoming85 says:

  66. wyoming85 says:

    I wonder if he can suit up???

  67. wyoming85 says:

  68. D says:

    CavalierKong says:
    September 23, 2019 at 11:40 am

    Are you talking about the Preston Williams drop?

    Either way, yeah Parker will have a great catch and two drops in a game. Heโ€™s actually very consistent that way, lol.
    Preston had a drop but so did Parker, would have been a TD, second game in a row for him.

  69. wyoming85 says:

    When you get to wash away your Fins tears with some Astro’s champagne!

  70. D says:

    ocalarob says:
    September 23, 2019 at 11:40 am

    Tunsil ranked 37th pff, i sure hope so!
    Tunsil was on the rise, i think he will be all pro one day. Thomas is going to be a lot like Joe Thomas i think. A technician.

  71. Mike E. says:

    NEW BLOG UP!!!

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