Once again, the Dolphins managed to play some good football this week. The Dolphins actually dominated the 1st QTR leading 14-0, but as has been the case, good play for this team has been difficult to sustain. Talent and depth have something to do with it, but it also could be in part to a 1st year HC not having answers and unable to make adjustments. It’s likely a combination of both.
I’m sure some media people who cover our team will be hailing Minkah Fitzpatrick as taking revenge on his former team and playing unbelievable football in doing so. If you watched the game, the first INT was a true gift, a pass thrown by Fitz to TE Nick O’Leary that bounces off his pads into the waiting hands of Minkah Fitzpatrick. Couldn’t have been any easier unless it was thrown harder and and stuck in Minkah’s facemask. The next INT was just a desperation deep throw in which Minkah had deep coverage and ran underneath it for another easy INT, a pass thrown very poorly. Otherwise, Minkah was very quiet, didn’t do anything really and I hardly noticed him on the field to be honest.
Was James Connor imitating Ryan Fitzpatrick here?
I laughed pretty good when I saw Conner walking back to his sideline for assistance to remove this large chunk of turf that got stuck in his facemask after being tackled. I woke up my wife but she also laughed once she finally listened to me that it was a funny thing to see. I needed the levity, I want our team to win, and I enjoy when we’re winning. We play the Jets who have looked heinous lately. We need guys healthy to beat the Jets. X can’t play a half and then go out with an injury leaving a defensive backfield full of Nik Needham, Ken Webster, Ryan Lewis, Chris Lammons, etc. No offense to any of these fine young players but they wouldn’t be on the field other than ST’s for just about any other NFL team.
I want to beat the Jets and damn the record! I want to see Gase tormented by us, I think he’s a cocky dude who needs a little humiliation, and we can supply just that with a win next Sunday. I want to hear audio all week after the game of Adam Gase trying to explain how they lost to us and making excuses as usual. It never seems to be his fault. Sam Darnold did better last year in his rookie season w/o Adam Gase than he is doing this season with him. The great offensive guru that he is.
Did anyone last night not enjoy Allen Hurns pinball his way into the endzone last night? Was that not sumpin? I have a feeling we’ll be trying to shake up Sam Darnold next week. If you think you saw at least 3 too many blitzes against the Steelers, there may be more next week. What scares me is Gase loves the short game and the screens, and that’s what burns a blitz. When too many guys are on the wrong side of the LOS it’s easy for a short pass to turn into a long one. I hope Patrick Graham and Brian Flores keep that in mind next week!
GO DOLPHINS!
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For those lamenting half-time adjustment Just what do you want to adjust?
Our plan B is the draft!
The score!!! 🙂
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the second p[ick of Minkah, he read the qb eyes the entire way
its difficult to rip our secondary before i learn their names, lol working on it
but i do find it humourous that Minkah gets a couple ints, and Mike has to downplay them, lol
we didnt have anyone on the Fins with 2 ints,and likely wont unless we draft a top DB like we did with Minkah
of course, if we want to hold onto the ball, its not about the stealers Fitzpatrick, its about the Dolphins Fitzpatrick
Ryan produces turnovers, Minkah comes up with turnovers, but we kept the cheap guy , and Tomlin said Minkah is low to no maintenance. Dolphins mismanaged Minkah because they are led by incompetence
Minkah was never the problem here, FO mismanagement was and is
0-7 sums it all up
Lol. I completely forgot we played last night
and you feel much better for it today don’t you!?
Mike,
We think alike except I’ve changed my tune on Rosen. Just like you, I want at least 1 win and against the Jets sounds perfect. Rosen won’t get that win. The kid has regressed badly. I don’t know why but it’s probably just not getting the tools and training needed for success. He won’t find either here this year. He’s more likely to learn negative habits than positives at this point.
The team looked so damn good the first quarter. I really like our OC but the DC…not so much. Our D is terrible and there are no strengths that I see. If you can’t pass rush, why not be a very good run D? We’re neither. The holes all over the D with guys we will be keeping is concerning. I looked at the positioning on the huge early run by Conner. There was a massive gap in the DL. Why would you ever have that? Was someone out of position? I hope so. I do like the Amoeba Front though. Neat idea.
Wilkins was out of position on that particular play and many others
Man, we need another top cover corner. I know our secondary got banged up last night but damn.
we need a new defensive coach too, i couldnt believe the full on blitz and soft zone coverage on third and 22
New Age – Regressed? I think he’s like a rookie, not too unlike the guy we’ll be playing next week, Sam Darnold. He would have to be playing at a high level to begin with to have gone backwards and I don’t think that’s the case. I’d rather see him learn and possibly get better as the season goes on. Fitz is hardly supplying magic, he’s Jekyll and Hyde in each game. He’s obviously more prepared than Rosen and he reads the defense better than Rosen but how is that going to change if Rosen doesn’t play? If I knew for a fact that he could learn as much sitting as he can playing I’d be fine with that but I think it’s better when they play. They talked about fire in the offense, I recall when they put in Rosen at first he was throwing and hitting deep passes that Fitz couldn’t. He looked terrible (Rosen) at the Fest game and was replaced (deservedly so). It just seemed they pulled the plug on his season abruptly after a poor game. Maybe they want to keep him healthy and are afraid he can’t protect himself at this point and if that’s it, well he probably won’t ever really be our QB anyway, but maybe he can have some value as a backup.
he was a wasted 2nd & 5th round pick. Grier should have called me. I would have saved us the draft capital and told him.
Minkah was never anything but average at best here. Any fuckface who says they don’t want to play here can go fuck themselves. You want to love him go ahead and love him but he’ll get no love from me.
fair enough, , but why did he say he was unhappy here, playing LB in the box?
was it really Fitz fault he didnt want to play LB? or were the coaches stupid? Tomlin says Minkah is low to no maintenance
why are you against FItz for not
wanting to be here, but ok with the management that made him feel that way by misusing him? the players cant be held responsible for their management or lack therof
fitz is gone, but the problems remain, because our coaches suck, and we arent doing anything without him to win
we cant blame Minkah for the secondary shit show Miami put on last night, we can blame the coaches though
Oh lord. Yes, it’s his fault!!! C’mon man, he got drafted because he did exactly what we were asking him to do here that he did at Alabama. He was a versatile player that played many different positions, including nickel LB, safety, slot corner and and occasionally boundary corner. He has the nerve to say he doesn’t want to do that as a pro? Just do your job and STFU! He’s not in a free market job, he’s in the NFL where you play for a team.
are You ok with how our secondary is playing now? do You feel this same management will get the most out of our 2020 draft selections?
i think a successful rebuild needs to include more capable management, i suppose we will find out next year
im aware of what he did in bama., but im also aware Minkah isnt big enough to play LB in the box at the NFL level
it worked out good for Minkah, his team uses him correctly, and he responds well to that.
but the problems in Miami continue in Minkahs absence, because he wasnt the real problem, the FO is the real problem
The failure of this season completely lies at the feet of Tim. Last year he promised everyone a draft party at his beach house where he would serve us piss clams like they were going out of style and the finest beverages in the Northern hemisphere. He didnt do any of that and ergo this terrible owner and front office feel like they can break promises too. Tim’s bad leadership as a fan has cost us this season. I’m turning in my mittens. I dont wanna play anymore
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you guys should not be so overwhelmed by the continuing losing. sure it looks as if the players are giving it their all but everyone from the owner down to the towel boy is creating situations in an effort to lose
how about the play before half. 3rd and 22 and they call an all out blitz? I can’t watch anymore of this fake carp. I’d rather watch wrestling
the coaching staff purposely called that defensive play to let Pitt score. its very blatant
that was one of the worst defensive play calls i have seen in years
it underscores how deep the losing problem really is in south beach from the top down
this is the Ross shit show, no commitment to win,
It’s easy to think that because it was such a ridiculously horrible call (and with all other things considered), but there is no way players will play hard for a coach that is purposely hanging them out to dry and game planning to lose.
You see it every year the last few games of the season with teams that have no shot. Players start protecting themselves and making business decisions. I see players playing hard on this team right now. If these guys were laying down every week I MIGHT believe a HC was doing that to his players, but they aren’t laying down.
You think a HC could betray his players in that way and keep any kind of credibility during weeks and months of practice and games, let alone moving forward for a first time coach? How can you preach accountability and integrity while setting up your players to lose? No way. The FO put the whole team, including the coaches in a position to fail, but if the coach was losing on purpose you’d have a mass mutiny and we’d be hearing it from at least a few of the players.
I do admit I started questioning Flores after that call though, but I keep coming back to what I wrote above.
the best part about that game was the commercial where the guy was taking a hedge trimmer to the Bush and the Bush was screaming. I almost fell off the couch!
The blitz at the end of the 1st half would have been a great call if the players had executed it properly. 8 defenders rushing the passer vs 5 linemen and what SHOULD have been man coverage with 20+ yards to go? The play call would have worked IF the pass rushers, you know rushed the passer and IF Howard hadn’t blown is coverage. I’m not sure which one screwed up X or Wiltz but one played zone and the other man on that play. If EITHER was where they were supposed to be the it would have been an easy stop and 4th down. You guys listened to Booger (who was rooting for the Steelers all night) too much.
X screwed up. If they were in man and it looked like it, that was X’s man, if zone then it was Wiltz. It looked like man though which it generally is when you full out blitz
i dont care about booger, its all over the news network, everyone agrees it was a tank call, and most are certainly more qualified than you.
you don’t call that play on 3rd and 22, you keep the offense in front of you and force then into a punt or fg try especially when you’re up 14-3 almost to the half.
the players are not tanking but the coaches sure are, especially the coach who called that def play.
you just keep riding the edge of your seat for a win and i’ll keep laughing at you.
this shit show is outrageous!
That review of the ball placement when Fitz ran for the first down at the end of the 3rd quarter was just horrible on the NFL’s part. How do they get away with reviewing the play after it was called a first down and they reset the chains and then go back and guestimate where the chains were to determine if it was a first down!? plus they took 10 minutes doing it.
That is when I turned the TV off last night and went to bed.
Do you really expect me to analyze how our secondary is playing? First I have to look up and figure out WHO is playing. We have a hidge podge collection of special steamers and backups playing right now, especially after the mutinous fuck was traded.
when You find out who the players are, let me know too, lol but the players didnt call timeout and send a full blitz on third and 22
calling Minkah a mutinous fuck because he isnt big enough to play box LB is not close to the truth, this team mismanaged him, and is now currently mismanaging guys we dont know their names yet
at least Minkah was talented, they are not
I’m do fucking tired of this tank narrative. Every play is scrutinized like oh we did this on purpose to lose oh we called that play knowing it would fail. Oh the players are being told to deliberately miss assignments. What the fucking fuck.
LOL@ special steamers
D says:
October 29, 2019 at 11:08 am
X screwed up. If they were in man and it looked like it, that was X’s man, if zone then it was Wiltz. It looked like man though which it generally is when you full out blitz
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Yeah, it looked like X screwed up to me too. Like he passed the guy off from his zone and then a moment later said DAMN let me chase him because it’s not zone.
if either was where they were supposed to be it would have been a simple tackle and 4th down.
ocalarob says:
October 29, 2019 at 11:09 am
i dont care about booger, its all over the news network, everyone agrees it was a tank call, and most are certainly more qualified than you.
No, No EVERYONE doesn’t agree it was a tank call. I think only idiot believe the Flores is actively trying to lose.
did you watch the mike show this morning? 6 former players some hall of famers were out raged by that call, everyone of them agreed, and only an idiot would be watching these games in hopes of miami winning one.
the coaching staff is purposely tanking this season, that’s the truth! it’s fake, don’t be fooled by it, i wouldn’t be surprised if the team got warned and the nfl considering taking draft picks from them.
you the fan are the victims of this, and for what? so we can draft Tua?
there’s no guarantee that tua is worth a damn, he plays against inferior talent across the board, he’s fools gold!
this is a big part of why i lost all confidence in Ross, that and his selfish team divider political fundraiser at the beginning of the season.
Ross is the worst Dolphin fan ever, he only sees this team as a money making opportunity, and doesnt give a shit if the team succeeds or not, he will get his ROI when he sells
hopefully the new owner actually wants to win, and installs people to get the job done
Last part of your statement is wrong, and half of the top ten teams being SEC teams makes that point. Thats said i dont see Tua as significantly better than several of the other guys. Im actually leaning towards Burrow, Eason, and Ehlinger as my favorites. To me those guys have a better set of skills to work with.
Tua is a gamer, so he makes things happen ala Wilson, but has a better arm. I like that about him, but he seems a little fragile to me. Herbert is a really good QB but doesn’t handle pressure well and we all know in the NFL there is going to be pressure. Frommis a good leader, he has solid skills but he doesn’t jump off as elite in any way to me, very game manager like, which could work in our system, but im not overly excited by him.
There are a bunch more that will probably go round 2-3 that would be worth a chance but i see most of those as inferior to Rosen, even though i think most of you here are sour on him. We could pick one of them up and let them battle it with Rosen though so 1st round QB doesnt seem to be a necessity and id be ok if we got OL and DL in the first round.
tank central
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/10/dolphins-steelers-blitz-touchdown-tanking
3rd and 22, rush 8 players! only 3 defenders playing back and the closest defender is 15 yards away from any offensive player, and some of you are actually buying this as a good defensive call?
LOL!
I didn’t say it was the right call, it just wasn’t a call to deliberately give them a TD. You play it safe most of the time in that scenario, but you do that call as an agressive play, one they wouldnt necessarily expect and if executed well you might get an int off a rushed throw, or a sacks, or maybe even a strip sack turnover. Its nto a crazy stupid call, just not a playing with a lead safe call.
not surprisingly Flores defended that stupid call,
he always blames the execution, never the call
It’s a risky call
Both the upside and the downside are huge
I don’t think a 4-2 team that can make a playoff push makes that call
But at 0-6, I think you are letting it all hang out
And you make boom or bust calls
Just like the 2point conversion call or the fake punt call
I don’t call that intentionally tanking
I think they just take big risks bc there is nothing to lose
Teams do it all the time in December if they are out of the playoff race
We recognized how bad we were in Sept and started then
They are trying to win
But they are also experimenting with personal and play calling
sure, go ahead and make that call, but don’t have your db’s 15 yards off their coverages!
you should be playing tight man coverage on that call as the design is to make the qb get rid of the ball quickly or sack him.
it was a great defensive call if you designed it to lose.
David the great defender of downtrodden former Dolphins players everywhere!
lol, but seriously Mike, has the team problems gone away when Minkah departed?
or did the people that asked Minkah to play box LB still here?
how does this inspire confidence they will be able to manage 13 draft picks and the players that come in 2020? it doesnt
i guess we can trade most of the picks to 2021 and lay down for Lawrence, or better yet hit reset at the FO
David, there’s no problem. We’re rebuilding so the talent level to compete just isn’t good enough. It was a little better with Minkah but he was selfish andwanted out, why defend that.
you think Minkah was selfish to not want to play a position he was too small to play? i think he made a wise decision to move on since Miami was not able to do simple management
Tomlin and Pittsburgh could handle Minkah, just fine, its obvious the FIns are not doing things right.
we are rebulding with incompetent builders, that IS the problem
D, respectfully you are quite wrong,
if you were in a scenario to send 8 players which miami certainly wasnt you would have your DBs playing very close to there coverages not 15 yards to the nearest one, the other 2 were 20 yards deep!
this is because a blitz like that would make the qb get rid of the ball very quickly,
it’s a blatant call, it was designed to lose
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D says:
October 29, 2019 at 11:34 am
I didn’t say it was the right call, it just wasn’t a call to deliberately give them a TD. You play it safe most of the time in that scenario, but you do that call as an agressive play, one they wouldnt necessarily expect and if executed well you might get an int off a rushed throw, or a sacks, or maybe even a strip sack turnover. Its nto a crazy stupid call, just not a playing with a lead safe call.
The only Mike show I watch has an E at the end
i like your qb assessment D, i’d rather take the de from ohio state or trade back for future firsts rather than draft tua
Flores defended the dumb ass call on third and 22, so i dont think he intentionally tanked the play call. i believe he was too aggressive for the situation and made a crucial error.
what i see from Flores is he always blames the players, and never blames the calls
just like that stupid two point conversion to drake play call, Flores defended that crap and blamed the players.
he has also blamed the players on other bad calls, and not a single time has ever admitted the call was bogus
im sure the players have noticed this, SMH
i’ll be watching the real miami team, the heat have never tanked and never will as long as riley is calling the shots!
we need both,
FItzpatrick and Rosen have not proven they can even start a game and win one.
and we arent getting enough pass rush to mask our secondary, whoever they are
i think the FIns should take Tua, and trade up to select Chase Young also, or other way around, but getting these two guys in camp would go along ways in beginning to turn the teams fortunes postiive
this team is not one talent away from competing
the FIns need a helluva lot more than Just one top player. and have the picks to do it
if the Fins had Tua and Young, with some complimentary role players, those are guys we could build around
How many 3rd and 15+ first downs did we give up in our base D?
If we’d have sat back in Zone and given up a TD everyone would be complaining about the Olivadotti defense!
Or most would just find another play to vent their frustration on!
And vent
And vent
And vent
I cut it off at 3!
Maybe I’ll start a trend? 😉
you play press coverage when you send that blitz,
when you have 3 dbs playing very deep in zone coverage that’s the key to realizing it was done with one purpose.
to lose!
but keep that blindfold on and keep on cheering!
i understand getting rid of good players for quality picks in a rebuild, but what i don’t understand is designing plays with the intent of failure and that’s exactly what’s happening.
we are doing this to secure the #1 pick in next years draft.
if they take Tua with that pick i will deem them all very stupid but i can’t help feeling that’s their reasoning behind this very blatant tank job.
Tua may be the next Tom Brady but i doubt it, i won’t say he’s bad but i tend to think he may be avg to slightly above avg at best when he faces nfl talent.
the best thing miami can do with that pick is trade back and acquire more early picks, this is because they don’t seem to have a great track record and have not made great selections in prior years.
the more shit you throw against the wall increases your odds that some will stick.
`Mike,
Regressed may have been a strong word but he got worse over his 3 game span. I don;t mind if we play him but I’d like a win first since he won’t win any games. Fitz may not win games but at least we see how an offense is supposed to work. I didn’t see a lot of that with Rosen because he is slower to read a D, learn this O, etc. It’s not his fault, he needs to learn.
I just don’t think you have to throw them in the fire especially since Rodgers and Mahomes are very successful examples of people who weren’t. Looking throughout the NFL, the only successful young QBs either have the offense really dumbed down, lots of weapons, or the best option of both. Rosen took I think 16 sacks so far? What exactly is he learning? Our OL is abysmal. Fitz was running for life a few times on 3 man rushes. I just don;t see the benefit of learning what he seems to be learning out there.
Alabama’s star quarterback suffered a high-ankle sprain against Tennessee and was hurried into surgery on Oct. 20 in Birmingham for a procedure to get him back on the field as fast as possible. Essentially, they put a zip tie between the two bones in his lower leg to hold them together.
It’s a common surgery at Alabama, according to a former player. Tua had the same surgery on his other ankle after last year’s injury against Georgia in the SEC championship game. The “tightrope” surgery for ankle sprains is performed so often at Alabama that it’s actually a running joke in the locker room, according to former Alabama lineman Jonah Williams
https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2019/10/tua-tagovailoa-doesnt-have-to-play-against-lsu.html
somebody help Me out here, hurried into zip tie surgery so he can get back on the field?
so the top pick in the draft depends on the strength of a plastic zip tie, lol i dont even know what to say except the Fins will have to watch this zip tie and decide if its good enough to hold up in the NFL?
or take another QB and Young both
You don’t necessarily play press coverage on that 3rd and 20 play. Why? Because if you play press, you’re one quick move by a receiver away from them getting behind the defender and running free…with no deep help. It’s perfectly okay to play off coverage and keep things in front of you…make the QB throw it quick and tackle them short of the first down. The problem was that X played that play like he had no idea what he was doing. He initially looked like he was playing zone and went back like he was covering the receiver coming into his zone. Then, it looked like he realized he screwed up and tried to catch up with the receiver he was responsible for, but it was just too late.
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People are getting way too worked up about that one call. There were about 20 other reasons we lost that game. We didn’t lose because of that play. I would not have made that defensive call, but I hardly think it was a smoking gun for tanking. It was poor execution by, perhaps, our best defender. X screwed up. He either was confused about what receiver he was supposed to cover or thought it was zone. Either way, once he took several steps backwards, it was all over.
its a shit play call IMO< maybe not an intentional tank, just incompetence
it was a huge play though, it turned the momentum
i disagree, according to your philosophy if that’s what you want to do then sending 8 rushers is useless.
you are conceding the quick throw and creating a 3 on 3 with a wide open field, and no defenders in sight! a recipe for disaster.
X didn’t screw up, there’s no way he could defend a short in pass standing 15 yards away from the rec.
if you are sending 8 rushers the qb has to get the ball out quickly to avoid the sack, common sense tells you, you need to defend that quick pass and you cant do that 20 yards down field!
you are wrong, as usual. At least you are consistent.
We gave up a lot of 3rd and long’s under Gase as I recall
it’s not about the failure of the play or the failure of plays like that in the past,
let’s be clear, the main problem is the intent of the play caller,
that play was designed to fail.
it’s cheating and the worst part is it’s cheating the people who support this team!
I’ve lost all respect for this team
I would love to see someone here walk up to Flores and spew their shit to him. Have a feeling nothing of the sort would be said to that man.
ORob,
X’s first few steps were back as the inside receiver came his way. Why would he do that if his responsibility was the outside receiver who broke in? You could also see that the inside defender was moving to guard the inside guy breaking out. X screwed up. He should have gone forward immediately as his receiver cut inside. He didn’t. Those few false steps put him out of position. You don’t go backwards in that defensive call. You come up, close the gap and make the tackle. X wasn’t even in position to make the tackle because he’d already taken several false steps.
it didnt matter, all 3 dbs were lined up to far off the ball to defend a short pass like that
Andy Dalton is getting benched. Things getting interesting…..
I guess I’m not a trend setter! 😦
The only thing I can think of that would explain what X did was that he was supposed to cover the inside guy and the middle defender was supposed to cover the outside receiver. I guess that’s possible. Anyway, the execution was bad. I’m not a fan of the play call either, but I don’t think it’s a blatant tank move. Frankly, I really don’t care. This season isn’t about wins and losses.
Lol at the Leveon Bell trade rumors….
WTF???????????
WOW! MOST intriguing!
Well that’s a head scratchier!
So essentially, we just paid for a 5th round pick and will swallow Talib’s salary for this season. Will be interesting to see what the trade compensation TO the Rams will be.
You are correct!
Might not be anything? Conditional maybe?
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1189237217409064960?s=20
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This is pretty big news, too!
Good for them!
Bizarre! Anyone know how many years Talib has left on his contract?
“3rd and 22, rush 8 players.” It’s called a Zero Blitz and it is a staple in NE. Coverage is supposed to be man (Not necessarily press as Randy pointed out) and Howard caused the busted coverage by playing zone. Only a dumb ass would think they called it that way to allow Pitt to score.
and a moron would think they called it to defend that play!
gee………..let me rush everyone and keep 3 guys way back. let’s see how 3 on three works in the open field!
very blatant
Okay Coach
ah i see now we produced ramdom twits by stupid twits as proof of tanking? Dumb twits.
and you’re the head twit!
you sir are not a genius so don’t throw stones. Go ahead and rail at the sky that them bad men are cheating and tanking on purpose but you just look stupid by doing so.
Talib is 33 and is a UFA next year. Are we looking for a teacher.?
you guys keep rooting, i’m done with this shit show!
You can hang out with David and root for Landry and Minkah. Enjoy!
well at least david should be better at shooting pool!
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, thanks Orob , You know it!
Maybe he can fix your HVAC too.
Cheep ass Ross buying a draft pick!
Yep
LMAO
WTF!!???? It better be a fucking 6th round pick. You DO NOT trade for 34 year old washed up CB’s in seasons you have no chance of going anywhere.
We’re getting the pick, not giving it
We get a 5th but we gave up a pick too that is undisclosed
It’s basically trading up by taking on a players salary in 2019
we are giving up a “Future Pick” to eat Talib’s salary and get a 5th round pick.
It is like the Osweiler trade but much smaller.
Presumably the future pick is either a 6th or a 7th
It’s basically a trade up
But it looks like the Dolphins has to give up a pick as well
“Undisclosed” In this case may mean a 7th round pick
Talib is a free agent in 2020
So it’s not really the player
It’s a way for the rams to free up cap room for a player they aren’t attached to
And we take on that salary give up a later rounder pick (probably a 7th)
And acquire a 5th round
I think that’s what is going on – that’s my guess anyway
Yuck
I hope it’s his knee and not his heart!
It says in the post that it’s a team decision
Doesn’t seem like Howard is saying “I’m out” seems like the team is saying “you are out”
Yes guys – we are tanking
We are tanking for the future
Not for one player
We are making moves to preserve our future
If you can’t handle it
Don’t watch this year and come back in in 2020
I don’t mean that as an insult – but some of you are obviously struggling with the teams 2019 plan
I am not
I’m okay to make moves for the benefit of 2020 and beyond rather than immediate impact
That’s what’s with the high risk playcalling
And moving Howard to IR
And paying for draft picks
And trading good players for draft picks
And picking up young players like that other teams are done with for nothing
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October 29, 2019 at 2:00 pm
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I can’t stand Newsome, but the bill he signed in CA to allow players to sign agents and be compensated had to be a big factor in this decision by the NCAA.
And we bought a 5th rd pick from the Rams. Nice!
Grier has made some smart moves this year. If it is a 7th in return, I’m all for the trade. I’d try to pick that brain while he’s here though. He’s been one of the better CBs the past decade.
He may not even see the field for us
He was placed on IR on 10/14
Ugh, well hopefully pick his brain in meetings lol
Did you guys see the the first play of the game where Miami ran Walton up the middle for two yards? Fucking Flores. You can’t score with a 2 yard run on first down! This was obvious evidence of the coaches trying to tank! The NFL should investigate and take some draft picks away. It is so obvious to anyone not stupid that he called that run play to purposely lose the game.
We also wore the throwbacks
Sure you guys say those unis look good
But I say “Throwback to what?”
Throwback to Cam Cameron ?
Read between the lines guys!
😜
I guess we better buy a couple more today then! 😉
Break out the check-book Ross!
is there a special window I need to lick or will any window due? Does it have to be a window in a bus? Please let me know. I’m trying to catch up here.
Any window will do.
Rob – I wouldn’t bet on that if I were you 🤑
im a pretty good pool player “)
Piggy – you should know better to take a friend to the house of horrors that is Slatterys. 😭
Mike
These superstitions have no merit when we lose every other game!
I didn’t even walk by slatterys in the first 6 weeks
Personally I think the ghosts have all been exercised or will be by the start of next season
I can bring all you guys to slatterys and it will be good luck
And I can even start buying jerseys again!
Wha..wah what? No, no jersey’s for you!
Oh no
Next offseason I’m buying jerseys
In fact, I might make up for lost time
Let me see who we pick
Then I may buy the jersey of our top 6 picks.
I already have it figured out
Aqua
White
Throwback Aqua
Throwback white
Orange
camouflage?
Note the wife beater T. This window licker lives in a trailer, he doesn’t buy bit-coins.
people that live in trailers cant afford BTC
different window licker David. The world does not revolve around you. That is why I specified the trailer dwelling window licker not the BTC buying window licker (you)
Piggy:
Too bad
If I have to sit through this season…and some of these posts…I don’t care about the rest of you jerks!
I’m buying jerseys
Suck it!
Post of the year!
I didn’t catch the # on Rock’s jersey though? 😉
Can you just get a Belicheat jersey and wear that for a game or two?
Why Wy? Why?
LOL @ Rock
The people that think the coaches are tanking will have plenty of ammo every week. Most teams have a few questionable calls every game, and when there is a tanking narrative, it’s easy to follow those plays and say “SEE!!”. Even though anyone can look at the talent on this team, and see we shouldn’t be winning these games, it’s still easier to swallow if it’s being done on purpose. And, well, it is being done on purpose by the FO.
We’ve got two games against the Jest, one against the Giants, and one against Cincy. We should have a legitimate shot of winning one or two of those . We’ll see how those games unfold. Of course if we win a game or two, the new narrative will be we messed up the tank, lol.
You want to talk dumb coaching moves. How about the Bears sitting on the ball at the 20 with 45 seconds left in the game, running the clock down, and kicking the FG instead of trying to get closer, ESPECIALLY when their kicker had already missed from that distance. No tanking, just a bad coaching mistake.
Denver made some “tanking” play calls too last week.
Yep, Panthers did too. It’s literally a weekly occurrence that teams make bad calls.
Flores has to be perfect in his calls because everything is being scrutinized under the tanking label. He’s a first time HC that is supposed to not make mistakes or clearly he’s losing on purpose, smh.
He’s tanking yet nobody has explained why his players are playing hard for him when he’s supposedly leaving them out to dry.
he knew what the job entailed when he came here, if he cant handle it,,,, then he can ask to be traded for a draft pick like everyone else,lol
Where do you even get a hint Flores can’t handle it. He’s handling it better than some here…..
Kinda funny, and missing the point entirely, lol.
It’s not about Flores ‘handling’ anything. It’s about unrealistic expectation,s i.e. nobody should expect him to not make mistakes. Flores will not be perfect as a first time HC, especially with a roster made up of nobody’s and never will be’s.
agreed, i was just joking
Gotcha, lol.
That’ll teach him to pop the ball straight up so the future hall of famer can intercept it. 🙂
I will miss him
But he wasn’t doing much this year
Good luck to him wherever he goes
What do you guys think Tua’s number will be?
I want to get my order in…
Somebody had on a #12 Miami Tua jersey last night at the game.
But I think that ones retired?
Fucking Millennials!
14
Why do you want to get a jersey for a guy who’ll be playing for Cincy? 😉
ocalarob says:
October 29, 2019 at 12:22 pm
you play press coverage when you send that blitz,
when you have 3 dbs playing very deep in zone coverage that’s the key to realizing it was done with one purpose.
to lose!
but keep that blindfold on and keep on cheering!
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I agree that was soft coverage, but it was really a mistake on X’s part that let that be open. They were playing soft man, and then X broke off his assignment to cover the wrong guy. He looked like he thought he had zone because he broke off and followed the guy that would be in the CB zone. Should it have been press, probably, though in press if the guy beats you (unlikely with X’s size) he’s behind you and behind everyone (safeties are blitzing) They kept their guys back to block too, there were no outlet guys, it was 3 receivers on 3 DB’s and we blew the coverage.
We blew it so bad, i could see conspiracy theorist saying X was told to do it, but the call itself was just a risky call and very uncommon for the situation. I still dont think its completely unheard of to make a call like that though.
Again, i dont disagree with you that you are right it could have been called differently, but i also think it was so out there to be called that way that it screams on purpose to lose. Thats really all im saying is good call bad call, thats up for analysis, on purpose to lose for me isnt.
the problem with that call is it expected 3 DB to cover a huge chunk of field playing 25 yards off the ball
it didnt work, 3 players werent enough to cover
There were only 3 people on routes, so in man that should have been plenty. They kept the RB’s and TE’s in to protect because they were planning for a 8 man blitz. We were 3 on three 3 and just blew the coverage.
only because one fucked up.
The Flying Pig says:
October 29, 2019 at 2:29 pm
Talib is a free agent in 2020
So it’s not really the player
It’s a way for the rams to free up cap room for a player they aren’t attached to
And we take on that salary give up a later rounder pick (probably a 7th)
And acquire a 5th round
I think that’s what is going on – that’s my guess anyway
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Also Talib may get picked up in FA for decent money, not a ton but some, so its possible he will add in as part of the comp pick equation when he walks next year.
I doubt it, since we have 100 million + to spend, it’s highly unlikely we’ll get a comp pick for him.
Thats was the worst catch attempt i have seen in a while, what O’Leary did. Bad technique body catching, but i mean i dont know that it offset his potential, so letting him go is a little bit of a shock. He definitely isnt playing as well as he was last year, so maybe it was just a last straw kind of thing.
Yeah I doubt that it was about that one play.
We lost because we lack talent in too many areas but we already knew that. But the players have fight in them and that will help the transition with the wave of talent we bring in next year.
Too bad the boobie twins wont be back again tonight.
Mrs. Verlander will be there though!
Those are some nice twins!
While they are banned from MLB for life they are a permanent fixture in my heart
geez haven’t they lost already? Is this thing still dragging on?
bowling takes forever!
Interesting trade for Talib. X is going on IR which makes sense so he can be healthy for next season.
Talib is on IR until week 15
How does that work?
He’s a free agent this offseason though
He probably won’t ever be healthy for us
They wanted the 5th for $ and still need to field a team.
Miami had cap, wanted more picks for next year.
I get the trade but how is Talib on IR until week 15?
He was put on the 8 week IR, so he is eligible to return week 15.
Oh I thought those IR designations were during TC or PS not in-season.
Teams get 2 designations in the RS.
2 players on the 8 game designation
I just read it’s a Dolphins 2022 7th rd pick. It makes you wonder what is the point of that return pick?
A 2022 7th rd? What is the value of a 7th rd pick 3 years down the road? lmao
Maybe they had to give at least something for it to be a legal trade. I don’t know the rules with that.
I looked up the Osweiler trade between the Browns and Texans, and that also involved picks both ways, so maybe there is something to that.
Kong, what I meant was I didn’t think you could go on 8 the game IR in-season, that it had to be before the season started. But I guess the rules changed recently.
Gotcha, yeah no idea when it changed or even if they’re combined (meaning you get 2 for PS and/or RS, not both), not sure if those are different designations or one that carries over.
Wow, some of these posts……yikes! The tanking narrative in the media, and unfortunately for a couple people on here, will likely go on all season……it doesn’t mean it isn’t REALLY annoying.
I thought defensively last night we were running the schemes we wanted, but dont gave the players to always execute. I think they areactually trying to develop an identity while also experimenting on play calling. I actually liked the all out blitz on the 3rd down play, just thought X blew his assignment.
Anyone thinking Flores is calling plays to fit into some kind of tanking narrative needs then to explain to me why he lost his shit on the 4 th down ball spot near the end of the 3rd. I mean I thought he was either going to get thrown out, or have a coronary.
My thought is, if you don’t like it, don’t watch, or go find some windows or something, but suggesting the players and coaches are purposely tying to lose is really misplaced IMO
^
Well said.
On a more aesthetic note, can we please switch to the throwbacks fulltime as soon as the league will let us? Color scheme, design, stripes, and logo are all far superior.
Yeah I’ve come back to liking them better as well.
I don’t even know where to start, so I won’t even begin regarding this toxic environment. WTF & SMH, all at once.
Yea, unfortunately there are a few that I now pass over when reading the posts. I hate doing it, but it gets tiring and annoying.
The tanking narrative is stupid on all levels. Our FO isn’t tanking but they are re-evaluating how they build a team. If it doesn’t work…why continue doing it? That’s common sense in all kinds of fields. Was there a single dolphin in FA who we wished to keep that wasn’t old as hell? Outside of Tunsil, is there any question we made great trades? Tunsil was still a very valuable one no matter which side of the aisle you believe. Just because people don’t trade LTs often, does that make it wrong? I disliked the trade immensely and the timing was terrible but we have to look towards the future. Those trades are rare, so we must get value while we can. It was ballsy so hopefully it will work.
If you think the QBs available in the draft suck, then you draft other guys like Wilkins, right? Then you get the best available QB and move to draft one the next year. Fitz was the best available QB in FA, We tried to get Tyrod and Teddy so it’s not like we didn’t try to fill the spot. So, if your QB is just average, your talent is lacking, and you have some bad contracts ..don;t you do exactly what we did? Isn’t our plan smart future planning for a rebuild?
The thing I hate most is that other teams sure look like they are tanking by the media’s definition. Where is the narrative for them? Cincy is the worst looking team in the league. The Broncos, Redskins, Jets, and Falcons don’t look like they are trying too hard to win each week. Shouldn’t they get the tanking narrative? Especially teams like the Jets, and Broncos with new HCs as well? Or the Redskins who made sure they fired their HC right before playing the Dolphins? Where are the conspiracy theorists for that?
I agree, it ticks me off that other teams are not getting called out too.
Hmmmmm when to blitz, when to blitz?
Do you blitz on first down?
How about 2nd and short?
What about 3rd and long? What kind of stupid ass coach would blitz on 3rd and long on your side of the field? Only one actively trying to lose evidently…..
Lol
Yeah, I’m not sure why you would want the QB to have to throw early, and short of the first down, or maybe even, god forbid get a sack! Craziness I say! Craziness!
I was giving this coaching staff the benefit of doubt, but not after last night
Look at the 5:17 mark of this video, what kind of DC has his guys in this position on 3rd and 22?
if this wasn’t a tank move then he should be fired.
i know the players are not tanking they are just following orders, the evidence makes it clear that the DC and maybe the HC is either very stupid or intentionally putting this team in bad situations.
the tape doesn’t lie. 3rd and 22, 8 rushing no help 3 on 3 with the DBs way back, X has nothing to do with this failure, no way he can cover man to man 15 yards away from the rec, they are in a deep zone with no help.
in certain situations you may give up the short throw but you would only have 3 rushing and 8 dbs playing deep, you may even have 8 rushing but if you do that you have to play press coverage because the qb will have to get rid of the ball right away.
no circumstance would you have 3 dbs playing 20 yards off the LOS and rushing 8.
it’s a coaching tank play, as plain as the nose on your face!
Thanks for posting this. I actually thought Rock and Randy were wrong about X blowing the coverage, and I don’t have the game on tape, but on replay, clearly X or the middle defender blew the coverage.
X and the middle defender were 11 yds off, the top guy was 9 yds off. When the ball is snapped either X should be running towards the slant or the middle defender should. Instead they both follow the slot.
So first maybe they are playing a couple yards deeper than the play calls for. Maybe they should be closer to 8 or 9 yds deep like the top defender. Second if one of them goes at the slant right away instead of taking false steps, that play probably doesn’t pick up the 1st.
One play in the game, where it is entirely obvious someone didn’t do their job right. Clearly not a tank job.
Cheers 🙂
Forgot to mention D. He also was correctly calling it a blown coverage.
I mean it’s right there on tape that they both followed the slot, so obviously someone didn’t do their job. And on a zero blitz if someone doesn’t do their job, the other team gets a big play.
if their going to rush 8 and have 3 back they have to play press coverage to stop the short throws and make the qb hold the ball longer than he wants, this way you get the sack, playing deep like that makes it a 3 on 3 with the ball carrier having 2 blockers he only has to beat one guy and has the whole field to do it, once the throw was complete it was a TD.
With the benching of Andy Dalton this week, i think this will mark the second time since 2017 that 4 QBs will start in the nfl in the same week that went to the same college. NC St is Quarterback U… lol. It had only been done 3 times prior to 2017.
you’re up 14-3, 22 seconds left till half, your opponent has the ball around midfield, 3rd and 22. the right call would be to rush 3 and have 8 back in pass pro keeping anything in front of them, at worst case you limit them to a fg try and may go in 14-6 instead of 14-10, the best case would be an incomplete pass, then we are in at half up 14-3.
it was a game deciding foolish play that gave them momentum.
According to an article on espn, we were actually 2019 trade deadline winners. Finally something positive to read. Hey, we have to enjoy the little things when we can.🙂
Here ya go Piggy! 😉
Looks good
i’ll tell all of you another thing, some around here feel the need to call some despicable names because they don’t agree with opinions on football matters. if you want to know who you are just go back and read.
it really is quite pussyfied to do that, if we were face to face i guarantee you would not say such stupidty, the reason you do it here is because you feel safe from retaliation. but you do know that it’s very pussyfied.
if you don’t like an opinion why not just skip over it instead of showing how much a pussy you are?
i need a break from the grown ass fuck’n children around here!
And I quote…
“Including compensatory selections, Miami will have 14 picks in the 2020 draft plus extra first- and second-rounders in 2021, and the main reason is that the Dolphins were proactive in moving players for picks once they made their plan and figured out they wouldn’t contend this year.
Teams that waited until late October to figure this out (Jets? Broncos? Falcons?) didn’t succeed in moving high-value assets for a haul of picks at the deadline.”
—Dan Graziano
Woop Woop!
Like I said, enjoy the little things. Lol
Sorry ORob
I have to disagree that the 3rd and 20 debacle decided the game.
There are numerous plays in the 2nd half that decided it.
That’s a Pussyfied comment. 😆
Rob,
As Randy and/or D pointed out earlier, you don’t have to play press, you just have to keep it in front of you. X had no chance because he dropped back almost 5 yards when the play started (covering the slot), he was only about 3 or 4 yds away from making the tackle at the 30. If he doesn’t drop back 4 or 5 yards at the start and instead follows the slant he makes the tackle around the 35.
No matter how you slice it, you keep ignoring the fact that clearly and obviously one of the defenders blew the coverage which of course is going to make the play look way worse.
I still don’t like the call. I agree with you on that. But proof of a coach tanking on his players?! One play where it may not have been a great call and a defender blew the coverage, come on, man.
And I think it was Rock that pointed out earlier (might have been D), maybe it was man/zone with top defender having man, and middle/bottom in zone. If so, then X didn’t blow it, the middle guy did, and again, tackle should be made around the 35.
I know it goes down as a blown coverage by X but to me it looked like he thought he had whichever guy went deep so it’s still man coverage but played incorrectly by whoever it was that was back with X.
I tend to think the pro bowler had it right and the guy who was working at Walmart a couple of weeks ago was probably wrong.
LOL, I was just about to post I don’t even know who ‘middle guy’ was, so he’s likely the one who blew the assignment.
You probably have a good point there. It looked like X was moving one way and then the other as if he blew his coverage, but the “other guy” was Needham the rookie who was getting toasted all night, so…..
I saw on ESPN a caption that said the stej didn’t trade Bell or Adams before the deadline. So they do want to move Adams, which I don’t get, we could use him.