Dolphins fall to Jets and controversial Pass Interference call is big part of winning score for Jets. Jets 22 – Dolphins 21

It sure doesn’t look like Brian Flores is satisfied with remaining in the #4 spot of draft. In fact, he’s furious that we didn’t fall down a spot or two. I think we’re all to be objective about it, there was definitely contact early there, but these things happen often and there doesn’t seem to be a consistent way that they call them. As soon as they signed off from the Dolphins game the Ravens vs Bills broadcast came on and immediately Ravens DB Marcus Peters breaks up a pass intended for WR John Brown. In doing so Peters arrives early and has one hand on the shoulder pad and then swipes with his other arm and knocks the ball away. It was eerily similar and there was no call on the field. There was no review either. Earlier in the game there was another call that I believe went our way. Jets LB James Burgess was called for holding on Albert Wilson and it looked like he barely touched him. That was the play the ball appeared to be intercepted and run back for a defensive TD. As it turns out Burgess never actually made the catch and the TD wouldn’t have counted, but I didn’t think there was any holding on the play. Things even out usually, I’m not crying over the penalty at the end.

As some of you were discussing here, Ryan Fitzpatrick set a franchise record for rushing yards in a game with 65 yards. It’s correct, I looked. David Woodley’s highest rushing total in a game was 58, it was the season opener in the 1981 season, oddly enough against the Jets. The Dolphins finished with over 100 yards rushing for the 2nd time this season, the other was against Buffalo 10/20. Of course the fact that our QB led us in rushing continues to be a bad sign for our running backs. Laird topped Dolphins RB’s with 48 yards on 15 carries for a paltry 3.2 average.

DeVante Parker, our version of the Phoenix was grounded yesterday with a concussion. Isaiah Ford did what he could, but the offense wasn’t the same without Parker. Gesicki was shut down and much of that had to do with some poor accuracy from Fitzgerald. He was off the mark with quite a few throws, throwing with too much pace, throwing too high and throwing behind. It happens, but it wasn’t a great day for Fitz.

The sleepy one, Andrew Van Ginkle woke up and recorded his first NFL sack. Kicker Jason Sanders hit on of 7 of 8 FG attempts, and the miss was due to a bad snap, not his fault. In addition, his kickoffs are routinely deep, so Sanders looks like a keeper.

Next game on the schedule is against the NY Giants, who of course share the same stadium in New Jersey with the Jets. Eli Manning will be the QB once again as he gets to have his farewell tour for the next 3 games. QB Daniel Jones is injured and won’t play the rest of the season. The Giants have Saquon Barkely and the beginnings of a strong D-line with Dexter Lawrence and Leonard Williams, formerly of the NY Jets. Injuries have riddled the Giants offense, they haven’t had their full compliment of receivers all season. Golden Tate was suspended 4 games and then later battled minor injuries. Sterling Shepard battled concussions and worst for the Giants, TE Evan Engram has been out for the last few weeks with a foot injury. If we can stop Saquon, we have a good shot in this one.



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581 Responses to Dolphins fall to Jets and controversial Pass Interference call is big part of winning score for Jets. Jets 22 – Dolphins 21

  1. wyoming85 says:

    I can’t believe I didn’t want to bring in Fitz!

    He is so fun to watch!!!!!!!!

  2. stangerx says:

    Good for Toba. He played Parker in FF and I played Barkley. He’s a much better Phins FF guy than me .

  3. The Flying Pig says:

    It didn’t affect the play
    But that wasn’t PI
    And these refs need to tone it down a notch

  4. Krishna says:

    I have no idea what PI is these days. Just clueless.

  5. Krishna says:

    Wasn’t gross and not punting one of tops in league, too. Honing one’s craft. Nice.

  6. stangerx says:

    Haack is sorta of growing on me. Think our two feet are set.

  7. Ken says:

    Christmas Pig is here

  8. Ken says:

    Woof woof Biegel!

  9. The Flying Pig says:

    If Tannehill plays well today it can help the Dolphins (by beating Houston)
    So far he has played horribly

    …sound familiar?

    • wyoming85 says:

      It looked very familiar!
      Ball through the hands of the WR at the goal line for the INT! Returned 90 yards to set up Hou first TD!

    • bailbondmike says:

      I’m actually watching that game. Tannehill has not been to bad. The INT was the receivers fault. If he held on it might have been a TD for Titans. Also, his passes, for the most part, have been right on but just contested and knocked away.

  10. stangerx says:

    Giants were favored by like 3.5. This team plays.

  11. bookman11 says:

    Been watching Titans/Texans, to me it is a what you expect from THill. Nothing spectacular, but nothing real negative either.

    I love the snow game in KC

  12. wyoming85 says:

    Too easy!
    At halftime they must have told Manning that our CB’s suck!

  13. stangerx says:

    Baker is a keeper. And not just cause of the int.

  14. wyoming85 says:

    Now we have the dropsies? \

  15. stangerx says:

    Sorta like the move the create the wind move by the Giants cover guy……. why not make it fun?

  16. The Flying Pig says:

    Our running game is so bad

  17. Ken says:

    Tennessee and Houston all tied up. TD pass and run by Tannehill

  18. CavalierKong says:

    Lol, we went home at halftime.

  19. Ken says:

    Not displeased we are losing but displeased at effort in 2nd half. Hulk confused. Stares at remote, not sure to smash or not

  20. The Flying Pig says:

    We are still 3 if we lose

  21. Mike E. says:

    Fucking Skins lose. Texans win, not much going right today

  22. stangerx says:

    Giants just got their 3rd win and they play the Skins next week. One of them will win that game.

  23. The Flying Pig says:

    If chase young doesn’t come out

    I don’t care about draft position

  24. stangerx says:

    Our secondary looked bad today. I’m just wondering why it took so long for that to happen. A vet like Eli was a way for it too though. CB in the offseason for sure.

    • Mike E. says:

      No pass rush to make things difficult. I think that’s the main reason. Playing against a legitimate dual threat offense, one with a talented back like Saquon really threw us off. We couldn’t stop him and the passing game.

      • stangerx says:

        Already knew had to work on the pass rush though, but X coming back will make a difference. Same time — need more.

    • wyoming85 says:

      2 DB’s!

  25. CavalierKong says:

    Woohoo! Arizona gets their 4th win plus a tie, and JAX gets their 5th win. That really helps our draft chances! Now, even if we win one of next two, based on SOS, the worst we can end up is in 5th place.

    Assuming we beat the Bengals (only for the sake of argument) and lose to the Pets (likely), we need:

    Bengals – Sew up the #1 with a loss
    Giants – win their last two or they stay ahead of us on record (no wins) or SOS (one win)
    Redskins – This is the tricky one. SOS is close (7% difference). Even if they get one win, we might hop them.
    Lions – another win or the beat us in record
    Atlanta isn’t a factor due to SOS.

  26. CavalierKong says:

    Wow, what an entertaining finish to the Niners game. Crazy win for Atlanta.

  27. CavalierKong says:

    Niners drop back down to the 5th seed, although that division will come down to the Niner/Hawks game in Seattle week 17.

  28. CavalierKong says:

    A Bills win tonight sets up the Bills at New England next week with winner leading the division.

  29. olddolphan says:

    Wife’s medical appt. caused me to miss vast majority of Fins game.
    But running game looked putrid.
    O-Line sucked.
    Defense collapsed in 2nd half.
    Meanwhile Kenyon Drake rushed for 137 yards on 22 carries with

  30. CavalierKong says:

    Disappointing that the Titans lost. Steelers and Houston both need to lose two and the Titans win out for one of those two teams to miss the playoffs now. Lol, thanks a bunch Tennessee.

  31. Mike E. says:

    OD – C’mon pal, lighten up with the Drake stuff. He’s had 2 good games this season and you crowed each time. Crickets when he’s 10-35, 16-67, 13-31 and 11-37. So he had a good game, so what? The majority of games he doesn’t get it done and he wasn’t part of the future here. Keep in mind that 2 different coaches felt that way, so that has some weight. I like Flores, I think he has a vision for this team and Kenyan Drake wasn’t part of it. He’s not that good. We know he has talent, but he’s not a bell-cow feature back that you spend a lot of money on.

    • CavalierKong says:

      And you aren’t just hating. You were a big Drake fan, just like I was, but he has never put it all together consistently. A RB that has 3 or 4 good games a year and nothing the rest of the season just isn’t a very good back. Shrug, I’m not missing Drake. He would be the best RB on this roster, but he’s nothing we can’t replace and do better with next year.

  32. bookman11 says:

    I didn’t get a hrummph out of that guy!!!

    Get off my lawn!!!

  33. CavalierKong says:

    I blame Tim for the loss today. He was at the game, and we haven’t won a single game he’s attended this year. Jerk!

  34. pheloniusphish says:

    OD, maybe you should join Minkah in Pittsburgh. You know…get out of this shit hole. No Steve Ross, no Grier.

  35. CavalierKong says:

    NBC just showed a graphic saying Buffalo needs to win their last 3 and NE lose their last two for Buffalo to win the division. I thought conference record was ahead of common games in order of tie breakers, but it’s the other way around, so next week wouldn’t be for the division lead between Buff and NE.

  36. olddolphan says:

    Mike E and KONG; I believe Drake was misused during much of his stay with Miami. Particularly during the two year “reign of pain” in Miami by the current Jets coach. 4-5 years from now we’ll look back on the Drake trade as a Big Mistake. And by the way, Kong, I KNOW you are not a Ph.D. in mathematics. But if Drake has 3 games a year like this one, that would be over 400 yards rushing and 12 TD’s in just 3 games. Throw-in 50 yards a game for the 0ther 13e games and you’re at well over a 1,000 yards rushing and about 18-20 touchdowns a season.

    I’ll take that from my running back any year!

  37. CavalierKong says:


    So you’re saying if you knew for a fact your RB was going to suck and put up terrible numbers for 13 games out of the season, you’d take that out of your back every year? LMAO

    This is why people who look at stats but don’t understand the important nuance behind them should never be in a position to give analysis. That sounds like something most of the dingleberries on the sports networks would say.

  38. stangerx says:

    Cards won and looks like the Pats will need to beat us. Assuming they do, worst our pick can be is #5.

  39. pheloniusphish says:

    OD – Drake’s camp ignored Miami’s attempt to talk about a new contract. He was going to be a free agent so they got what they could. But let’s ignore reality if it doesn’t support your “I told you so.” Yep, you’re a fucking genius.

  40. pheloniusphish says:

    On an actual football note, Allen is still wildly inaccurate.

  41. Tim Knight says:


  42. Tim Knight says:

    It was freaking windy at the Meadowlands today. Also saw watching game from 300 and 100 level perspective Fitz doesn’t have the arm to push through the wind.

    We moved down with friends who paid less for seats in the 100 level than the family season tickets in 300. I was about to take a great photo of Parker lined up against the corner, phone delayed and TDParker a couple of seconds later. LOL

    Parker is a beast when we ask him to be.

  43. Mike E. says:

    OD – The facts show you’re more likely to get a dud most games from Drake. 2 of 7 good games isn’t going to cut it. If he did that here you’d be unhappy. I’m not trying to disagree with you for the sake of disagreeing, it’s just the way it’s gone for him. He was never the top dog in college, always taking a back seat to guys like T.J. Yeldon and then Derrick Henry. In Miami he was behind Jay Ajayi and then Frank Gore. He’s just not a premier back. He’s a good change of pace back and he has HR speed, but he’s not top tier RB, he’s a JAG. We need someone better than him next season if we want to make strides towards being a contender.

  44. ElephantRider says:

    Hope you had a good time at the game Tim.

  45. New Age says:


    I agree Drake was misused by Gase but we don’t have the OL for success this year and Drake wasn’t going to be here next year. Better to give both sides something in that case. If we finally get an OL, then we can plug just about anyone in and the Pats do that more than anyone. I’m sure this group will too. I don’t see a RB being a huge priority for any coaches from NE.

  46. Mike E. says:

    Congrats ER! Well done!

  47. BailBondMike says:

    The Rams losing to Dallas could impact the steelers and texans picks. We need the Rams to win out also.

  48. ocalarob says:

    LOL @ all the Drake detractors! where were you last year, wasn’t Drake the MVP? my how opinions have reversed!

    • Mike E. says:

      Not a detractor, I was a fan of him while he was here. He wasn’t great here, he had his chances to take the starting job and never look back but he never capitalized on it. He’s a HR threat with the ball but he’s not volume carry bell-cow back.

    • CavalierKong says:

      I know it’s probably a foreign concept to you and a lot of others on here to admit when proven wrong, but I usually have no qualms about it, and I have stated I was wrong about Drake being a lead back on more than one occasion.

      But hey, nice to see you crowing about one time you were right. A side of douchbaginess in the morning goes good with eggs, lol.

  49. The Flying Pig says:

    I don’t think Walter Payton in his prime would be productive behind this OL

  50. The Flying Pig says:

    There’s a good chance teams will know about how healthy Tua is by March

    If we are picking at 3, and burrow, Tua and You g all come out, and Tua’s health checks out, I think you take whomever is left between the 3

    But if Tua or Young don’t come out, I think picking at 2 is a bigger deal

    I know it’s early, but I think there’s a shot that this draft is shaping up to be the big 3 up top with 2 potential franchise QBs and a game changing pass rusher

    There are other good players and they might be better than any of the top 3 for the same reasons Tom Brady as a 6th rounder is better than everyone drafted before him, but as prospects, I think those 3 standout above the rest as foundational pieces for a franchise that is building

    Don’t get me wrong, there are good players all over: Thomas, Okudah, Brown, jeudy among others

    But that top 3 probably would go a long way to help a bad team build a contender, especially our Dolphins who have a bunch of other picks

  51. The Flying Pig says:


    Although I’m not a fan of tanking, even if there isn’t a top 3, or we are not in the top 3, every time we lose, we move up or solidify our early 2nd rounder. And I think that early 2nd is a huge pick for us. Especially if we are in position to take the top RB (or one of the top 3) or OL (maybe Biadazsz or Humphrey or an OT drop to the 2nd) or an edge player like the 2 UF LBs

    That early 2nd is a big deal

  52. The Flying Pig says:

    Some pork to chew on

  53. Rockphin says:

    I just have the sick sinking feeling that even if we somehow still get the #2 pick (as apposed to #3 or 4) that we are still going to wind up with a Ronnie Brown type selection.

    Don’t get me wrong. I was a fan of Ronnie Brown, but he wasn’t worth the #2 pick!!!!
    (Especially with Aaron Rogers still sitting there until the late 20’s!)

  54. wyoming85 says:

  55. CavalierKong says:


    The Rams winning out likely won’t have any impact on the Texans draft order since the Texans are almost certainly making the playoffs. It could potentially affect the Steelers pick, but I think the Steelers will probably make the playoffs too, so unfortunately at this point both of those teams regular season records really aren’t going to matter.

    • stangerx says:

      And only thing standing in the way of both those teams making the playoffs is Ryan Tannehill. 🙂

      • CavalierKong says:

        LOL, fingers crossed that Tanny can get it done. There is still a decent chance they can knock the Steelers out of the WC, Texans are basically in though. I think (not positive) the Texans clinch a spot if Indy loses tonight.

  56. stangerx says:

    Here’s the place I went to for draft order specifics back in the Suck for Luck days.

    Either the Giants or Skins will win next week since they play each other and looks like will be hard to beat at least the Giants in the strength of schedule tie breaker, especially since we have the Pats left. So who you want to win there depends on if we beat the Bengals.

    One thing for sure is we want the Lions to beat the Broncos. They lose and almost guaranteed top 4 slot…. top 3 if we win. They have looking for a bye Packers in the final game.

    • CavalierKong says:

      I also used that site when I outlined the draft positioning yesterday after our loss.

      • CavalierKong says:

        The SOS listed takes into account all 16 opponents and their current recods, so it is currently taking into account our game against the Pets, etc.

      • stangerx says:

        Thanks — Was thinking they went up to current on SOS, but given what they are about makes all the sense in the world they use full schedule.

        So that means possible tiebreaker btwn us and the Skins is up to a whole lot of games in the next two weeks…. and won’t even venture to do the math on that one.

        And saw what you put out, but only after did my only dip in the pool on it. Yours was much better.

      • CavalierKong says:

        Yeah the Skins outcome is too close to call on a tie. It would take a lot more work than I’m willing to put in to forecast that one, lol. And wasn’t meaning to come off proprietary on the draft speculation or anything. Was more just affirming your use of that site. We all end up repeating each other at different times. It’s just a matter of when we hit the board 🙂

      • stangerx says:

        I loved that you did it Cav. At one point Jahn and I were the cap dudes on the board. Always good to have more than one.

  57. drg says:

    Not sure about you guys, but I really need to see Rosen these last two games. We haven’t gotten enough to properly evaluate him quite yet.

    • stangerx says:

      Only reason I see not to throw him out is if they think it will hurt his value for a possible trade. And that includes just not a guy who can get it done behind a weak OL.

  58. ocalarob says:

    CavalierKong says:
    December 16, 2019 at 10:54 am
    I know it’s probably a foreign concept to you and a lot of others on here to admit when proven wrong, but I usually have no qualms about it, and I have stated I was wrong about Drake being a lead back on more than one occasion.

    But hey, nice to see you crowing about one time you were right. A side of douchbaginess in the morning goes good with eggs, lol.

    LOL, it’s just how adamant all the clueless were when chiseling out Drakes HOF statue along side Marino’s!

    I fought hard to inform them, all of a sudden the light shines thru!

    Truly Amazing.

    • CavalierKong says:

      LOL, ORob bringing the light to the ignorant and downtrodden. Where would we be without you, brother? 😉

      All playing aside, I think Drake can be a quality 3rd down back or the 2nd back in a tandem, but you were right, he’s not a carry the load guy.

      I didn’t even mean to get dragged back into a Drake conversation. All I did was point out that Mike wasn’t being a hater as he was previously a Drake supporter. That relatively innocuous comment got me called an idiot at math, an implied wishywashy flipflopper, and now an ignorant heathen.

      LMAO, tough crowd.

  59. ocalarob says:

    Remember, if it’s more than 10 yards it doesn’t count!

  60. stangerx says:

    Here’s the cheat sheet for you guys (assumes we lose to the Pats).

    Beat the Bengals (+ Lions loss) — gonna be #4 or #5.
    Beat the Bengals (+ Lions win) — #3 or #4
    Lose to the Bengals — #2 or #3.

  61. ElephantRider says:

    Now the wise media is bashing because they lost to NYG….wtf. Can they at least know the facts (how many guys out there were picked up this week etc…) or make up their minds if they are supposed to lose in the first place!

  62. ElephantRider says:

    Thanks Mike E.

    I’d thank Lamar, but he beat me in my other league. Lol.

    Stanger….YOU’RE NEXT!! 🙂

    • stangerx says:

      Not yet I’m not. Brees could go mad tonight and you get Toba. And actually thinking you hope doesn’t….. Toba has the better team. Why he was the regular season champ.

  63. Rockphin says:

    • CavalierKong says:

      Kitchens is a dead coach walking, and he should be. Most of us here knew the Browns were going to implode with that combustible mix of ego and talent, but I also think they are a not well coached team.

      Even with the diva brothers at WR creating division wherever they go, that team is so loaded with talent, they should have been a shoo-in for a playoff spot. As it is, considering they still play the Ravens (whom they did actually beat earlier in the year), the Browns are likely heading to a losing season at 7-9.

      I unabashedly take pleasure in that outcome and revel in my petty gloating, lmao.

  64. Rockphin says:

    Boy I wish we had a fine character player like that on our team…..

  65. wyoming85 says:

  66. wyoming85 says:

  67. CavalierKong says:

    For anyone who missed the ending of the Niners game, if you have the chance, I highly recommend watching from the last series by the Falcons until the very last play. There were 3 or 4 great moments at the finish line, not just the Jones TD catch review. Entertaining finish.

  68. wyoming85 says:

    I don’t have high expectations for the win column!

    But I do like the way the team has played the last few weeks!

    But those dropped passes put us on the downhill spiral again! That pisses me off!

  69. wyoming85 says:

    Here’s your shocker of the day! 😉

    • stangerx says:

      “Gordon’s sixth suspension since the 2013 season and the fifth for some form of substance abuse” — makes you think that yes AB will be back.

    • CavalierKong says:

      Wow. It makes me wonder if the Pets saw this coming. Even with his injury, it really didn’t make sense to me when they released him earlier this season considering their WR woes.

      Also have to believe this is the end of his NFL career.

  70. manitobafinfan says:

    Wow logging in was painful

  71. manitobafinfan says:

    Stanger I’m pretty sure you have this locked up … the only time Brees scores 40 plus points is when I bench him not liking the matchup…. see last vs SF 😱

    • stangerx says:

      LOL…. maybe Brees just does what he does and doesn’t follow whether you are playing him. 🙂

      And you know Yogi said about Indiana….. “It gets late early out there.”

  72. Rockphin says:

    I unabashedly take pleasure in that outcome and revel in my petty gloating, lmao.


  73. The Flying Pig says:

    Do you guys want a 6-7 360 pound OT

  74. manitobafinfan says:

    So I’m not watching the game, but I’m On monitoring the score , but it hadn’t changed in an hour … WTF ???

    Oops wrong league…. 😳

    Yep still losing ..

    Congrats and good luck in the finals to ER and Stanger

  75. wyoming85 says:

    If anything would make me go on an OD style rant this would be it!
    Still sick about it!!!!!!!!!

  76. Mike E. says:


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