LDE – John Jenkins , Avery Moss
NT – Davon Godchaux , Gerald Willis, Zach Sieler
RDE – Christian Wilkins , Taco Charlton
If the offensive line is near the top of the list for most important positions to fill in FA and the draft, the defensive line is right there with with it. That’s a little misleading because in the 3-4 defense which is our base defense at least, pass rush can be coming from a number of places, especially from the outside linebackers, but if we can get another impact player for the interior to team up with Wilkins and Godchaux, that could really be a strong foundation for our defense. Both the rookie Wilkins and the 3 year vet Godchaux had excellent season’s last year. Wilkins had the most tackles for any rookie DL (56) and Godchaux had the most tackles for all DL with 75. DE Taco Charlton who played in 10 games for the Dolphins (starting 5) led the team with 5 sacks and made an impact in his first season with the Dolphins. John Jenkins was a nice pickup last season and he helped solidify the line playing mostly at DE. We need more, and potentially adding a player like Derrick Brown is very appealing, and he should be available when we choose at #5. After that, he’s long gone.
Both Godchaux and Wilkins have rotated as the NT and both are pretty good there. Both have obviously also played DE too and done well there as well, but we’re not getting enough in the pass rush department. In the draft, A.J. Epenesa could be a target. He’s a very strong edge setting DE who has pass rush ability, but is a stronger run player at the moment. Javon Kinlaw is another DL who could help the Dolphins if we decide to look elsewhere at pick #5 and he might be available at our next pick at #18. Another potential fit would be DE Yetur Gross-Matos. He’s basically a 4-3 end 3-4 OLB type of player. We don’t always play an odd front and employ 4 DL at times during the game so he would have the ability to play multiple roles. K’Lavon Chaisson would be a similar player to Gross-Matos, but Chaisson is probably the better pass rusher of the two and much more explosive.
Free agents that are available are Jadaveon Clowney, although after last year it would be surprising if we revisited that avenue. I’ve decided to only look at players 28 or younger, not because that’s directly from Davie but that’s what I’d think would best suit our team. Shaq Lawson had a career high 6 sacks last season which isn’t fantastic but he’s another multiple role player (OLB/DE). Vic Beasley who has 37 sacks in 5 seasons with a career high 15 in 2016, hasn’t broken double digits since then though. Big Arik Armstead (6’7 292) from SF is a FA this season, coming off his career best 10 sacks as part of that fearsome SF defense. Armstead also added 54 tackles playing both DT and DE. SB winning DT Chris Jones is a FA who has 33 sacks in 4 seasons playing both DT/DE for KC. He’s another guy that could help us and free up a spot in the draft. That’s how I look at this, anyone we get either for the OL or DL in FA just frees up another spot in the draft to get a different type of player. It will be a good time to have all that cap space available because we can choose where we want to spend and I believe Miami is now a desirable team to play for with Coach Flores and MFFF reinforcing why he needed to be jettisoned. I’ll bet our pick at #18 won’t be such a pu$$y!
GO DOLPHINS!!
#staythecourse
Finsmob Unleashed 
No team in the league has the ammo we have in draft capital. JAX and OAK (Vegas) are the only ones close.
On the other hand, if there’s a player ……… that our FO feels can be a special player here this is the perfect time to be able to get that player w/o throwing away an entire draft or two.
MikeE my biggest concern is that this is substantially the same front office as it has been for the last 10 fucking years. Grier brought in a couple of guys that have been around to assist but the majority of the scheduling department is the same. LG3 and the other III we both scouted by this scouting department
We all seem to want to keep all of our picks, but if we come out of this draft with 4 players that play close to a pro bowl level consistently during their rookie contracts, then it will be a success.
What is the scheduling department and LG3? And no it’s not really the same FO in its power structure. You can’t hold Grier’s feet to the fire when he was just part of it but not a final say guy. Also every scouting dept. has the same prospects to work with year after year. They all hit and miss. Let’s see if doing it your way by blowing it up and starting from the ground up works. It’s just getting started. I don’t see it as the same at all. I believe Grier got in people’s ears within the organization that we haven’t been going about this the right way. Let’s see if he was right.
Tim that’s my iPhone being a dick and changing things
The scheduling department was supposed to be scouting department
Leonte Carroo is LC3 like DT3 Before him
I understand, and I can’t say anything to counter it other than Grier wasn’t in charge then, but he was a part of the process. We just have to hope that between him and Flores and the other assistants that they have a clear vision of what they want and need, and are able to identify the right players to fit that
Also I’m not saying he’s doing it wrong I’m just saying that the concern is there because it’s the same scouts
It’s not though. There has been a lot of turnover in the scouting dept. the last few years.
If you want to point to a few bad picks so be it. But the main issue is we drafted some good players over the years, but didn’t build a good team.
For me the reset is now. The past is over. Grier wouldn’t still be here if he was considered a doofus! LOL
Honestly they’ve been pretty average overall drafting…..not great & and definitely not horrible. I think what a huge problem for the team has been more so player development and scheme fits. I think w/ the complete roster tear down they made it easier to search for the right fits. With that said, outside of Tunsil, they’ve sucked at landing and developing competent OL draft picks.
Don’t know if anyone on here ever listens to Breaking Benjamin, I know Briannused to, but their new song is pretty awesome.
dbolt, Pouncey 2011, James 2014 and Tunsil 2016 weren’t bad picks. The problem was keeping all three on the field together due to injuries. We could never keep them on the field together for a substantial period of time. I don’t know what it was, bad luck or whatever. But it never panned out. The talent was there, the durability wasn’t. We’re past that now.
My problem is more so what did they do to draft quality developmental players where you truly strengthen the unit depth overall. Honestly, I feel our best OL the past 3yrs has been Davis. By best I mean a combination of on field performance and availability…he’s really the type of player you hope you end up with after grooming them in the system. Allows you to walk away from expensive 2nd contracts when you have that in house guy ready to go.
I agree with that. I think Jesse Davis gets a bad rap. We all know he’s not Anthony Muñoz but he’s reliable. Being accountable is a big part of it. Being a top player and being paid good money and not being accountable is what?
Davis is on a great contract for the team IMHO. He’s played 4 out of the 5 spots on the line for us and I personally believed he outperformed James at RT. I think you need players like Davis as starters at their contract amount to offset whatever high price guy or 2 you have on the OL. Similar to how the Pats do it.
Alright TTYL!
Bloomberg’s comments about search and frisk rival those of the clippers previous owner.
He’s a very smart guy but as a politician his ego shows his limitations as a leader. Much like Trump. They’ll both be fine in the big scheme of things.
No they don’t
It’s not even close
I was 22 (at the time Giuliani was mayor) when I moved to nyc and I was personally affected by these policies. The comments are nothing. The actual policies had discriminatory effects and that’s what really matters.
I think without question Guiliani, Bloomberg and Trump, who Vigorously supported these policies then and advocates them now, showed bad judgment about how they disparately affected minorities and were enforced discriminatorily but the comments about them are not necessarily offensive
In the 90s and early 2000s all the harm about these policies was well documented and spoken about publicly and some people including Bloomberg, Trump and Guiliani chose you dismiss those harms – so I have a big time problem with a candidate who didn’t show the judgment to stop them like Bloomberg
but clippers owner didn’t want his gf hanging out with black people. he was ashamed to have his gf around black people. He actually told his GF she could sleep with black people she just couldn’t be seen with them publicly. There’s quite a difference!
Between some one who pushed for these programs once and now publicly regrets it (Bloomberg) vs some one who celebrated them once and now pushes to have them back (trump) I will take the guy who doesn’t want those policies anymore every time of those are my choices
Honestly I think Bloomberg buying his way into quick national relevance is a bigger issue bc it really sheds a negative light on American politics generally
MORE OVERTIME MAGIC from the now depleted Tampa Bay Lightning. Yanni Gourde, who had NOT scored a goal in over THREE MONTHS, scored the game winner late in OT as Bolts won in extra time for the second time in 24 hours, 2-1, in Pittsburgh. But the win came at a steep cost. First, it was thought that captain Steven Stamkos would give it a go tonight after missing last night’s OT thriller in Columbus. But Stamkos was a “no go” this evening. And he may be out for the next few games, at least. Then, sparkplug extraordinaire, Anthony Cirilli, took a slap shot right off his foot and was helped off the ice. No report yet on the X-Rays. Finally, the reigning MVP, Nikita Kucherov, who scored BOTH of the Lightning’s 2 goals last night, limped off the ice with a bad left knee and did not return. NO TEAM, even one with as much depth as Tampa Bay, can lose this many key players and remain competitive.
So-o-o-o, Tampa Bay will fly back to Tampa with two thrilling OT victories under their belts. And they’ve now gone 20-2-1 over their last 23 games!! That’s 41 points out of a possible 46!!!
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But there’s no denying it. The future looks very menacing.
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 5: Tua Tagovailoa, QB, Alabama (A)
Round 1 Pick 18: KLavon Chaisson, DE/OLB, LSU (B)
Round 1 Pick 26: Austin Jackson, OT, USC (B+)
Round 2 Pick 7: Isaiah Wilson, OT, Georgia (B-)
Round 2 Pick 24: JK Dobbins, RB, Ohio State (A+)
Round 3 Pick 6: Darryl Williams, C/OG, Mississippi State (A)
Round 4 Pick 39 (COMP): Jalen Elliott, FS/SS, Notre Dame (A+)
Round 5 Pick 16: Mitchell Wilcox, TE, South Florida (A+)
Round 6 Pick 6: Damien Lewis, OG, LSU (A+)
Round 6 Pick 18: Darnay Holmes, CB, UCLA (A+)
Round 7 Pick 32: Denzel Mims, WR, Baylor (A+)
Round 7 Pick 36 (COMP): Benito Jones, DT, Mississippi (A+)
I wonder if Flores will dip into the patriots FA well? maybe one of these guys, van noy, danny shelton or joe thuney, familiar faces that may fit Flores scheme.
Thuney would be an ideal pick up if you ask me
We can’t solve all of our OL problems via the draft
We need a free agent or two via free agency
And Thuney is very good
I always get a little nervous about patriots fa bc I think they benefit from a good team, but thinly seems like the real deal
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2020-nfl-draft-running-back-rankings-dandre-swift-jonathan-taylor-lead-a-deep-class/
Swift is my 1
Everybody else’s too. I would guess Miami has a shot at him. Will be interesting to see how they feel about drafting RB.
I really don’t want to spend a 1st rounder on one
But maybe it’s worth it to land Swift
My
1 – Swift
2 – Dobbins
I pushed for Shelton last year, as I think he fits really well as a 1tech in our system. NT/DT and will let Wilkins be more aggressive. It probably wouldn’t alter my draft plans, just broaden the defensive schemes at my disposal. I still would like us go for a top DT in the draft.
Doesn’t some one like Shelton do the same thing Godcheaux does?
Yes I’m bored!
5: R1P5 QB TUA TAGOVAILOA ALABAMA
18: R1P18 OT JEDRICK WILLS JR. ALABAMA
26: R1P26 EDGE YETUR GROSS-MATOS PENN ST.
39: R2P7 RB D’ANDRE SWIFT GEORGIA
56: R2P24 C CESAR RUIZ MICHIGAN
70: R3P6 TE HUNTER BRYANT WASHINGTON
142: R4P39 G SHANE LEMIEUX OREGON
162: R5P16 OT SAAHDIQ CHARLES LSU
173: R5P27 CB LAVERT HILL MICHIGAN
185: R6P6 DL BENITO JONES OLE MISS
197: R6P18 S REGGIE FLOYD VIRGINIA TECH
202: R6P23 CB NEVELLE CLARKE UCF
246: R7P32 LB CARTER COUGHLIN MINNESOTA
251: R7P37 WR KENDRICK ROGERS TEXAS A&M
I rather they not use a 1st on a RB as well. As the Giants showed, even a Barkley can’t run without a competent OL.
I traded back twice, first with Carolina then Jax.
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 9 (JAX): Jeffrey Okudah, CB, Ohio State (A+)
Round 1 Pick 18: KLavon Chaisson, DE/OLB, LSU (B)
Round 1 Pick 26: Austin Jackson, OT, USC (B+)
Round 2 Pick 6 (CAR): JK Dobbins, RB, Ohio State (A-)
Round 2 Pick 7: Lloyd Cushenberry III, C/OG, LSU (C+)
Round 2 Pick 10 (JAX): Jalen Reagor, WR, TCU (A-)
Round 2 Pick 24: Prince Tega Wanogho, OT, Auburn (B+)
Round 3 Pick 6: Solomon Kindley, OG, Georgia (A)
Round 4 Pick 7 (CAR): Anthony Gordon, QB, Washington State (A+)
Round 4 Pick 39 (COMP): Nick Coe, DE, Auburn (A+)
Round 5 Pick 16: Jeremy Chinn, FS/SS, Southern Illinois (A+)
Round 6 Pick 6: Khalil Davis, DT, Nebraska (A+)
Round 6 Pick 18: Anthony McFarland, RB, Maryland (A+)
Round 7 Pick 32: Dalton Keene, TE, Virginia Tech (A)
Round 7 Pick 36 (COMP): Tipa Galeai, DE/OLB, Utah State (A+)
Wyoming, what draft site do you use? I just used FirstPick this time but don’t generally agree with some of their player rankings.
I use Firstpick most of the time. They get better the closer you get to the draft!
This one has different big boards you can use.
https://fanspeak.com/?utm_source=OTC
I used CBS last time
Thanks! I have used the one on Thedraftnetwork most recently.
Tua’s injuries 2018 and 2019. Injury prone or just unlucky? This is why I have the ??? at #5.
•In 2018 during spring practice, he hit one of his offensive linemen’s helmets while throwing a pass which broke the index finger on his throwing hand. This required surgery, but Tagovailoa didn’t miss any games.
•Later in the 2018 season, Tagovailoa sprained his knee but continued to practice and didn’t even miss the following week’s game.
•One month later, Tagovailoa injured his quad against Mississippi State game. Though he missed the remainder of the game, Alabama won and he started the following week.
•In the 2018 SEC Championship Game, Alabama offensive lineman Jonah Williams stepped on Tagovailoa’s ankle after he attempted a pass. Tagovailoa suffered a high ankle sprain because of it and missed the rest of the game. But 28 days later he returned to play against Oklahoma in the College Football Playoff. Typically high ankle sprains take about 6-12 weeks to recover from, but Tagovailoa was able to return in just four weeks thanks to a surgical procedure: Knotless Syndesmosis TightRope Implant System (or a TightRope procedure for short).
•In 2019, Tagovailoa’s ankle was once again in the spotlight, only this time it was his right, not his left. After being tackled by a defender, Tagovailoa suffered another high ankle sprain that was once again surgically treated with a TightRope procedure.
•Then, of course, there is the dislocated hip Tagovailoa suffered facing Mississippi State. It not only pulled Tagovailoa from the game but also ended his college football career prematurely.
The article does give some positives. You can read the rest here:
https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/tua-tagovailoa-hip-injury-nfl-draft
I don’t mind using a late 1st RD pick on a RB, especially considering we actually have nada right now. I’d rather do that than pay $10M per year for a guy like Melvin Gordon. I’d take Swift with that #26 pick in a second.
I want a QB with durability. Tua doesn’t have it. The end.
That is what I am seeing.
That’s the thing that scares me most. Like they say, one of the best abilities is availability
You guys better get used to Tua in a 🐬 uniform
I agree. I think it’s going to happen. I just don’t want to get used to him standing on the sidelines with crutches or a boot, or a sling or whatever. lol
I think they are playing this all up. We will soon see.
I’ll be ready with the confetti!
😄
LOL
I’ll be rooting for whoever we sign in FA and draft so I’m not really worried about it. Not every player is going to pan out as we know. We just need to hit on a lot of them to build a good team. Go Phins!!!!
I like the Auburn DE Coe in the 4th, which would be a high value pick IMHO.
meant to be a reply to BBM
That is what I was thinking. He is big like a DT. 6’5″ 295
“with hands like sledge hammers”
This is really good.
https://twitter.com/FearlessNitti_/status/1227256891165872133
wow …
he really sounds like both of those guys and has the facial mannerisms of both as well.
I’m going to check this out at home, I have no audio
I understand not drafting RBs in the first, but that is if you only have one first.
I want DeAndre in the first, because this year we could still get 2 other potential Pro Bowlers.
I would not take Dobbins or Taylor until the second, however, and if we miss on Swift, I would do this.
I think it’s okay to take a RB in the 1st round. Usually you don’t want to take them very high in the 1st is all.
I think just like any position if the team has a high value mark on them for early round 2 I think that value is almost the same as 1st round 20’s.
Agreed.
You just don’t get many creases to run through in the NFL, so when your line upens a hole, you want a RB who can exploit that for quality yards.
Plus Swift can catch the football, accelerate after a catch, and run in the open field well.
I’m in brother!
I’m thinking we have to sign a couple of vet OL in FA – guys who are proven. I know I’ve said this before but that can get the OL on a respectable level as we develop younger OL. Not saying break the bank type contracts but quality starters. Even Kilgore could stick around for another year while we develop a young center and then start to make the transition to the younger guys in 2021. With the draft capital we have I can see us drafting 2 or even 3 OL. Then let them all compete and put the best group out there so we can operate our offense at a higher level.
So with that, any names that come to mind in FA?
I wouldn’t mind spending big money on one OL. If one position on the team needs money spent on it…it’s the OL. We need to start hitting on the later picks and that’s one reason Davis was such an important win. Dieter needs to be a win. Draft one guy fairly early, buy two FAs, and hope Dieter and Davis get better and we have a competent OL? Draft another guy to eventually take another spot and hopefully we have the Unicorn for Miami fans…. a solid OL.
To answer Tim’s question – Jack Conklin. Tennessee has to pay Henry and Tannehill so they may not be able to pay Conklin.
I think you are correct, and I would love to get that guy.
Who thinks Dak Prescott is worth >$35M/yr? Not me.
me neither
Tim,
In regards to off season moves I could see the following:
OG- Thuney & Quinton Spain
OC- McGovern or Karras. I think they most likely draft one instead.
LT- Draft
DE- Emanuel Ogbah & Bic Beasley. A high end draft pick or 2 will be added.
Vic not Bic
OL in FA – Peat and Conklin
OL in the draft (any two of these guys): Thomas, Jones, Biadazs, Ruiz, Kindley, Sternberg)
Edge in FA: Fowler Jr or Bud Dupree
DT in Draft – Brown or Kinlaw
Id try to keep FA at three major pickups, i could see adding a 4th if there is a S we really like to replace Jones.
Obviously we still need depth and development players so if Greenard or Jennings, drops im targeting them for 3rd, Marlon Davidson 4thish, Zuniga for 4-5, Coe or Wonnum about the same round. Maybe Baun about that round too.
Piggy, Godchaux is more gap penetration Dt and Shelton more gap clogger. One is better from 1 tech in run situation the other in pass rush. Godchaux is more versatile, he can play 5 tech, ie 3-4 DE, where as Sheltion is a middle guy, more 3-4 NT, and 1 to 3 tech 4-3 DT. Shelton will push the pocket back at the QB letting the edge guys clean up, where as Godchaux is going to try to shed the blocker and make the sack himself.
RARE WEEKDAY morning off to take care of some “business.” This afternoon I’ll head out to another convention that’s only about 50 miles from home. That will keep me busy through Sunday afternoon. Just another 7-day work week.
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RE: $35 million a year for Dak Prescott: it’s a reflection of just how much money the NFL is making right now. The first year of Prescott’s next contract will pay him way more than many/most NFL Hall of Fame quarterbacks made in THEIR ENTIRE CAREERS!!!!!
Is it fair?? — Hell NO!! But that’s the “GOING RATE” whether we like it or not!–Moral to the story??—-KEEP PRESCOTT’s numbers in mind the next time an NFL owner wants the taxpayers to pay for MOST, if not ALL, of the costs of a new stadium. After three rejections from the voters in Miami, Joe Robbie decided to pay nearly all the costs for a new stadium in Miami Gardens. About 30 years later, when the stadium needed to be modernized and upgraded, STEVE ROSS went to the Florida legislature seeking tax dollars to fund a major portion of the costs of the upgrade. When the legislature said “NO,” Ross decided to pay for the project himself. The result?? The Dolphins are now estimated to be worth roughly THREE TIMES what Ross originally paid for the franchise. THAT equals about a 2 BILLION DOLLAR PROFIT for Steve Ross when he sells the team!!
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I have ALWAYS been opposed to the concept of WELFARE FOR BILLIONAIRE TEAM OWNERS. I DON’T OBJECT to doing them a few favors. Nor do I object to paying a small percentage of the costs of the facility IF THAT CITY feels that expenditure is truly in the public interest. But, that’s all.
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NOW I expect some doofus to say “OD’s opposed to the owners making a profit!” To that I respond, “LYING IS THE LAST RESORT OF SOMEONE WHO HAS ALREADY LOST THE ARGUMENT!” I think most of us would be thrilled to make the kind of money NFL owners make. And I KNOW that Zak Prescott is going to be thrilled at how much he’s going to make on his next contract.
You also have to keep in mind the scale of the money. A millionaire was a rare thing in the 80’s but they are a dime a dozen now. We have 100billionaires now. So if the scale is that much, its not that he makes more money in 1 year than they did in their entire careers is that 1 year salaries are career salaries from decades past.
Dak is at least as valuable to his team as Goff is to his, and Goff is 33.5mil per. I dont see 35mil per being too far off. Its not about what we think he is worth its what the going rate is for a team leader and at the position of QB is.
I AGREE “D.” But keep this in mind. The inflation rate has hovered in the 1-2% area for several years. Thus a player making $35M in 2020 is still making more than a guy making $33M four or five years ago. The current bull market in stocks is about 10 years old. It has brought unprecedented wealth to a lot more people. How long this will last is anybody’s guess. But it’s certainly fair to say that, adjusted for inflation, Dak Prescott will STILL be making more than than most HOF QB’s who played from roughly 1990 through 2010.
AND PRESCOTT’S NOT A HOF QUARTERBACK.
I don’t even know what the big deal is. QB’s are always going to be highest paid (overpaid) because it’s the single most important position. Salary cap keeps going up and so will QB salaries along with it. Every team has the same problem that once they identify the right QB, they know they have a small window, somewhere between 4-5 years depending on how quickly the QB ascends where they have money to spend on other positions. Once their 2nd contract arrives, if they’ve been successful it’s time to pay and you better have already built a young team that’s not too close to the cap or you’re gonna lose some good players once you pay that QB. It’s a vicious cycle that many teams deal. I’d like to be one of those teams!!!!!
I’d pay for Brandon Scherff too. He’s a little older at 28, but should be in his prime for our run to become a winning competitive playoff team.
The idea of COLA really goes out the window when you’re earning millions. They are already way past needing to worry about keeping up with the cost of living or inflation. It’s about greed….nothing more.
It is, but it’s also perceived value. If there’s a person at your job getting $400,000 per year and you’re just as good if not better and getting $300,000, you bet your ass you want at least $100,000 increase. Right?
Bic Veasley
Thursday draft 6 pack player breakdown.
D, you mentioned Marlon Davidson earlier. Also, they agree with your assessment of Aubrun, CB Noah Igbinoghene. You were spot on and should join their team. LOL
https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/jacob-eason-curtis-weaver-marlon-davidson-zack-baun-draft-breakdown
MikeE,
Comparing the NFL pay scale to most of the world really doesn’t work. It’s so outside the norm there really is no comparison. Is it “fair” to get paid $2M less than another guy on another team with a completely different situation? Fair really has nothing to do with it. This idea that players are being disrespected because they get paid a little less than somebody else is just ridiculous.
Not comparing the pay scale Randy, just pointing out that it’s a business where everyone knows how much you make. When it’s time for your new contract and player X is making $30M per year and you’re as good or better than that player, you want the same salary or more.
Peter Schrager….who’s a moron….just talked about one of my under the radar guys. Antoine Winfield Jr.
Randy – I’m not justifying what these guys get paid, but there’s no point in complaining about it. This is what it is, we just root for a bunch of spoiled millionaires. lol
MikeE,
Yep, and it’s still about greed. Lol
Some could call it fairness, ie why should i work for 1mil when someone doing the same job i do gets paid 33mil. Could they take a lot less, sure, but they arent setting their value those offering the contracts are. Why would you accept 1 mil if you will be offered 33?
Its really no different than anything else, something that is a scale representation of another is essence the same thing as there is a multiplying factor that can just be removed without changing the equation. Just because we are talking 33+nil its really no different than talking 33K. People will still expect to be paid the best if they feel like they are the best, and the best in the case of yearly free agency periods also mean best available. There is a market set for services and if you are the best available to help a team improve you get paid like the top guy. Of course teams can opt to not sign them, but how often does that happen? the leverage is in the favor of the player, because teams, who have their budgets for players can and will pay it to get that players. Its a simple law of supply and demand.
Hell if you want to get down to it, we, as fans, are the ones causing this. We buy tickets to games, we pay for Sunday ticket, those revenues enable the NFL to have the money to offer those contracts.
D,
Every player thinks they’re great and should be paid as much as possible. I’m not sure what that has to do with anything. This is a pointless discussion because it is what it is. Pay them all $50M/year for all I care. It ain’t my money, and I don’t spend my money on the NFL other than an occasional hat. Lol
Do you have a cable TV subscription? Why do you think it cost so much? The first reason is the sports leagues, mainly the NFL, and the second is, because half the people cut the cord, so the half remaining is paying for the half that cut.
Do you drink beer or buy any products that pay for NFL advertizing?
If you said yes to any of these, you my friend are indirectly paying part of the salaries.
Just out of curiosity
Lets say we wipe the slate clean and start all over in terms of player salaries
And instead of players being paid millions of dollars a year they have modest/good salaries for considerably less (even the best athletes) more comparable to what the avg American earns
Do you guys think the costs fans spend on the game would go down?
Or do you think owners would keep the excess profit?
a combination of both?
I tend to think the owners would just keep the excess profit…or at best a combination of both.
All the sales of tickets, vendors, etc…I don’t think they are what they are bc of players salaries. I think those process are what they are bc people pay those prices. Basic supply and demand.
If Bernie gets his way, you may see this happen🤔
Let me re-phrase my question…Does anyone thing Dak Prescott is an elite QB? Because $35M+/year is elite QB money.
No. But he had a good statistical year
Ill answer again, is Goff? To me, neither are comparable to people like Rodgers, but are somewhat comparable to Wilson imo. Wilson is a slippery little dude who makes some great plays sometimes and is consistent enough to allow that team to win when all its parts are working, and thats about what Dak is. I think Goff actually isnt as good as Dak. Its relevant, because these are the salaries you compare to, its also about threat of losing them. Dak is the top QB not under contract, so it makes him more valuable because you have to factor in what a team has to do to start over with a new QB. If you want to know if Dak is a top 10 QB, sure, is he a top 5 no. Is he worth the 35mil, yup all day. The market for him is easily in that range.
Part of the salary is projection.
I think Wilson is top 5, much better than Dak. Goff’s salary is inflated due to his potential, when he signed.
Randy, I like him but not sure how much under the radar he is now. Only knock I have heard which is only a slight knock is his long speed. I don’t get that cause he is also returner and thought he runs in the 4.3’s. Thedraftnetwork scouts all say his football IQ is off the charts.
I hear that CB, Noah Name I can’t spell, is quote the speedster
Don’t we have enough noah name players?
Noah we don’t…
Piggy, in my opinion their salaries are reflective of the industry and how much money it brings in. If they did wipe the slate clean and reset the players salaries, then it “should” be reflected in the cost of tickets, etc to the public. We do know though this isnt realistic, because it chains off inflation, etc and all factors would have to shift around.
I just think, to put it simply – The Amount you pay for tickets is what the nfl knows you will buy them for and nothing more than that.
I don’t think inflated players salaries affect us as fans bc the profit margin is so big for nfl teams
Yeah Igbinoghene is fast, but he is a work in progress. He has the things ya cant teach, but there are questions when they have as much to “teach” them as he has. I think he is one of those just figure out what you think his draft grade is and take him if he crosses your draft path at the right value. Just not one of those guys ya buy high on.
Those types of players are usually reached for, so unlikely in that scenario he’d be available to us at a value.
there is only a loose correlation to making “elite” money and being an “elite” player. I put them in quotations because thats not easily definable and a lot of it can be a “beauty in the eye of the beholder” kind of thing. Salaries are a combination of, what a person is willing to accept, and what a person is willing to give, for their services. The money these guys get, eeven if thats met your definition of “elite” money, doesnt always equal the “elite” player status and thats not just with Dak, thats with lots of players.
And that’s when teams get in trouble, paying non-elite players elite money. When that happens it’s hard to field a good team.
steve,
Good points! The bastards got their hooks in me. And, here I thought paying $30 for a cap was highway robbery.
When it comes to the cap I think the salaries are getting so high that we think everyone is overpaid but that’s the market. D said it well at 5:26.
Mahommes, Rogers, Brees, Brady 🤢, and Wilson are elite. Jackson is still TBD.
IF Jackson can repeat his numbers in 2019, he’ll definitely be considered elite. Mahomes, now with a Super Bowl ring, may be “Mr. Elite in 2020, barring injury. Brees and Brady have both seen their best years. Wilson, on the other hand, is in his prime. Just a rough guess, but I believe Rodgers is somewhere between the Brady/Brees group and the the group headed by Mahomes and Wilson.
To compete with, and BEAT teams led by Mahomes, Wilson, Jackson and Rodgers, you’ve GOT to have a QB who has a legit shot at achieving elite status. I know, I know, teams have won the SB with QB’s who were not close to elite. But that was then. NOW, this game is becoming more QB-oriented with each passing year. NOW it’s much harder to win the whole thing with a QB who may be considered just slightly better than average (think Tannyhill). The future belongs to the teams with elite quarterbacks. If you don’t have one on your roster you are at a significant disadvantage. That’s why I agree with Mike E when he says, likeit or not, the Fins likely are going to take TUA in round one.
And if that is the case, the next priority is drafting a stud O-Lineman who can protect him.
I am confused about the effect of drafting a left-handed QB.
Will that disrupt the entire offensive playbook?
Will all the blocking schemes need to be reversed?
Is it worth it?
Does it stress the defense?
Not to be facetious but do we even have a playbook yet? We don’t know all the skill players on our team, especially at RB. I mean Chan Gailey has a style, but we don’t know the hogs we have up front either. We also haven’t yet selected Tua, although many things point that way. I think Gailey has a foundation of plays, but will have to work on it once we fill on the pieces.
Overall Gailey has historically used the run game very effectively in his O. I can’t tell you 100% how he will run his O, but I’ve seen a few people who study O’s say that Alabama used his schematic passing concepts.
I don’t get the criticism of left handed QBs either
The only real burden I see is that you have to invest a little more in your RT
I don’t think it effects the receivers routes. If you have a receiver that only runs certain routes on one side of the field – you might have a problem at receiver, not QB
In today’s game you need competent pass blocking from both tackle positions. I think RG is where you want to make sure you solidify when you go LH QB. Outside of that nothing really changes.
Lamar Jackson fits in with the elite QBs, even though his arm is suspect, his feet and comeback potential are so high, that he’s very difficult to stop on the final drive down 8 or less.
I with Phish on TBD
But he’s right there, I’m cautiously optimistic we will be saying he’s elite by 2021 with little push back
Agree with this. I think he’ll need to prove he can beat good teams consistently with His arm once he’s limited as a runner. We’ll see if he gets there, but even if I don’t label him as an elite QB I will label him as an elite PITA for defenses.
Went to Blues vs VGK game last night. Trailing 4-2 Vegas won 6-5 in OT on a power play goal. Best hockey game I’ve seen, well played on both sides by the skaters.
Figure skating?
From thedraftnetwork.
https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/michael-pittman-josh-jones-grant-delpit-tee-higgins-nfl-draft-comparison
Well we do need a CB?
More player info, good stuff.
https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/nfl-draft-mailbag-february-14-2020-jonah-tuls
Lol at Astros saying the cheating didn’t affect the outcome of games. Where have we heard BS like that before?
The logic behind that is so ridiculous, pretty sure even the most naive aren’t buying it.
Let me guess, they are using the Pats playbook. LOL
That’s one, didn’t want to get into the other.
I agree with OD that. Rees and Brady ware last their prime, at least physically. Both are still elite mentally though. Next year will tell a lot about Jackson. Defenses will have film on him and will adjust. Tennessee’s blueprint will be a starting place. Everyone thought RGIII was going to be the next big thing after his first year. We’ll see if Jackson can be that when teams take away the run.
He’s been great for 2 years.
A year and about a half. And they didn’t build an offensive system around him until last year.in 2018 the Ravens were built for Flacco’s skill set.
Wondering what you guys who watch a lot of college ball think of Xavier McKinney. He’s Zierlein’s (NFL.com) top safety.
https://twitter.com/theflyingpig44/status/1228350293475196930?s=21
LOL
They showed these bums on the jumbotron last night, then Marcus Allen joined them.
How is it possible that a grown man walks around like that
Then on the screen they show a little clip from dumb and dumber.
LMAO!!!!
1st sausages
2nd sausages
3rd Jenny takes a few minutes to praise the perfection of pigs
4th sausages
….is that too much to ask for her daily routing
I don’t think it is!
MikeE., Someone posed that question to thedraftnetwork about Dallas taking McKinney at #17. This was thedraftnetwork’s answer to him:
In regards to McKinney at No. 17, I wouldn’t hate it. But, the value just isn’t there for a safety in the first round. With similar-level players like Kyle Dugger, Antoine Winfield Jr. and Ashtyn Davis all likely available on Day 2, I think drafting McKinney in the first round would be a reach. He would be a nice addition to Dallas’ defense, but this team needs a true free safety who can roam and make plays from the deep middle. I don’t see McKinney excelling in that kind of role at the next level as opposed to a player like Grant Delpit.
I like McKinney but I would prefer we waited on a safety. This is a good class for them and we could get a good one rounds 2-5. Besides the ones they talked about above, there are 2 good safeties coming out of UGA, then there’s Chinn from SIU, Blackmon from Utah who converted to FS last year, Floyd from VT who is a thumper SS, Muse from Clemson who could be taken even later and a couple others.
Thanks BBM! I wasn’t advocating taking him in the 1st, I just don’t see a lot of him here on this blog, it’s usually Grant Delpit. I was wondering why he gets no love here
I do like McKinney more over Delpit as a SS when it comes to tackling and safety blitz.
D, is an SEC guy and wonder what he thinks? D??
I’m hearing CB Xavier Rhodes could be a cap casualty in Minnesota. We could have XX CB’s.
The “Soft Porn” Backfield?
The “Miami Strip Club”
Thats interesting I guess they are letting Trae Waynes go too
The Vikings are going to have a secondary like we had last year if that happens
BBM,
Yeah, Rhodes may very well be leaving MN from the talk up here. But, it’s more about his play and mentality than the cap. He had a pretty bad season, and he pouted and bitched quite a bit from what the reports say. The speculation is that he just doesn’t have the physical skills anymore. I’d rather go after one of their younger guys, but MN may decide they need to keep the younger guys and jettison Rhodes.
BBM,
I think people are really undervaluing Delpit. The guy was playing on a bad ankle all season. It affected his play. But, if he can come back 100% healthy and regain his movement and burst, he can be an elite safety. The dude can play at a very high level. Frankly, I hope he drops to the bottom of the 1st, and we nab him. It could potentially be getting a top 5 guy in the 20s.
He can be a game changer on D And an upgrade from Minkah
That’s MFFF!!!
Honestly think they go after Davis in RD2.
Dbolt,
They’re projecting Delpit as a second round pick now? Wow.
Most mocks I have seen have him going in 1st around #15 to #20.
Randy, I didn’t mean to come across that way on Delpit. I think he is the best safety in the draft with the most versatility. I think McKinney is a little better in the box as an SS and stronger tackler. I like the way they both play. Delpit seems to be everywhere in on plays and the only one I would consider taking in the 1st round because there are others in the mold of McKinney who could be drafted on day 2.
BBM,
No worries at all. I didn’t think you were ripping him. That post about Delpit wasn’t even supposed to be just to you. Lol
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I haven’t looked closely at McKinney either. And, I never lock in on any one guy in drafts. McKinney may very well be a better value pick for all I know. I’m looking forward to watching his film now, since you like him.
McKinney really stood out to me in Alabama vs LSU. He had 13 total tackles (9 solo) including 2 sacks on Burrow and a FF that game. He also played big in their bowl game against Michigan. I hope we wait until day 2 regardless of what safety we might draft. Hope we address “D” front 7 and OL in 1st. Only exception, for me, is CB Okudah.
BBM – I agree either QB, DL, or OL in the 1st, but I’d also take D’Andre Swift with our last pick at #26.
Whats the most you would give to get…..
D Swift = 1RP26
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bailbondmike says:
February 14, 2020 at 12:29 pm
D, is an SEC guy and wonder what he thinks? D??
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Its splitting hairs, Delpit is probably a better cover guy, and McKinney a little better in the box.
As a replacement for Jones, McKinney is a closer match to Jones, where as Delpit is a closer match to MFFF, though i hate using him as a comparison since he is pretty well disliked among the people here.
Thanks D, that is what I have been reading so far. Also, I agree with thedraftnetwork that if you are going to draft McKinney, wait until day to and if he’s there get him. If not, there are few other like him in this draft but he is the best of that group. It is splitting hairs though.
day 2
I think with his cover skills Delpit most likely could get taken between 10-20, probably some of his speed and skill assessments at Combine will push him up or down in that scale. I think we would have to take him at 18 to get him, McKinney will be there i feel at 26, maybe first part of day 2, like our first second round pick. He may slide to a later part of round 2 but i dont think he would make it to our second pick there. Really depends on how the draft rolls out, if there is a run on DB’s he might would go sooner.
What’s the most you would give to get RB D’Andre Swift
D – R1P26
Mike E – R1P26
Whats the most you would give to get…..
D Swift = 1RP26
BBM Swift = 1RP26
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What’s the most you would give to get RB D’Andre Swift
D – R1P26
Mike E – R1P26
BBM – R1P26
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I would do one for QB Anthony Gordon but afraid everyone would say UDFA. LOL
What’s the most you would give to get RB D’Andre Swift
D – R1P26
Mike E – R1P26
BBM – R1P26
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I really did not get the high quality of insight into my question on this left-handed QB issue from you guys that I usually find in your discussions.
I understand if you don’t find it interesting and don’t want to comment.
But I am confused about the effect of drafting a left-handed QB.
Some on here are saying that if we draft Tua, we will need to draft a LT who knows how to work as a blind side protector and then ask him to flip to RT and put a different hand in the ground, protect the opposite outside shoulder, and use the opposite plant foot to swivel his hips and shoulders the opposite … or we need to get a natural RT and teach him how to be a blind side blocker.
LTs are usually your best guy because fhe must never fail because if he does your QB gets injured or at least fumbles. Your RT needs to be able to move laterally toward the sideline and pick off free rushers as the right-handed QB most often rolls out to the right.
Doesn’t the LT have different slide steps and lockouts than the RT in traditional pass pro sets?
I mean because he is walling off the blind side.
LT is usually the highest paid OL. Will a LT want to give that up to move to RT or be known as a lesser LT because he is not a blind-side LT? How will he fare in FA when his time comes?
Will having a leftie QB disrupt the entire offensive playbook?
Does a leftie QB hand off to RBs differently?
Does he take center snaps “upside down” or need the shotgun snap to favor the nonusual other side?
Do WRs running scramble drills need to relearn which way to go?
Does the ball spin the other way coming out of a leftie’s hand and is it harder to catch like that?
On the flip side, does facing a leftie stress the opposing defense? LHP in baseball sure stress batters. And leftie tennis players have an advantage, although leftie golfers are handicapped (pardon the pun)
What’s the most you would give to get RB D’Andre Swift
D – R1P26
Mike E – R1P26
BBM – R1P26
🐷 R126
Naples #26 only because with Taylor and Dobbins available right behind him, you have protection from missing him and then missing a high quality RB completely. He’s good enough to pick at #18, but no need to do it. Whereas, we need a OT and a Edge in the first and the best ones will be gone by #26.
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I am thinking if we use #5 on Tua, I’d consider trading up twice, once inside #10 and again inside #16 to get the best OT and Edge we can possibly get, unless either the Combine or FA alters our needs and wants.
I would like to see Needham have a shot opposite Howard. He really played well down the stretch.
I think he will be given a shot. I like the moxie he plays with.
I would like to see if Howard is still our starting CB
Tru dat
Do you mean we trade him or if he can get past these knee injuries? That was my one worry when we gave him the big contract. Then again I think we shut him down when maybe he could have played more games, but because we knew we weren’t going anywhere at 0-5, why push him – let him get right.
D – R1P26
Mike E – R1P26
BBM – R1P26
🐷 R126
Tim Knight – R1P18 or R1P26
(Depends on what value grade you have on him.)
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So if Tua is healthy, is Cincy tempted to take him?
Naples – It’s not an easy question to answer. My feeling is that not every LT can be as effective on the right side. If there’s a true RT out there who is a good pass blocker, he may actually be better as a blind side protector for a lefty because he has the mechanics down on that side. It’s a totally different mechanics on the other side. Different leg plant slide step, etc etc. There’s no guarantee that a talented tackle who has always played on the left side can make the switch.
As far as the defense, it’s a different side that the QB will roll out to, so yeah, it’s a challenge for them too. Usually your best pass rusher lines up on the right side, but a lefty QB is looking right at the RDE. I wouldn’t say different routes necessarily but if the lefty QB prefers to roll out to the left so he doesn’t have to throw across his body, the receiver on the left side might get more action. I don’t think the spin is all that much of an impact. As far as hand offs, sure it’s different because the QB is probably pivoting differently unless he’s ambidextrous, which I believe Tua is.
I think defenses have to make adjustments and probably practice the entire week with a lefty running the scout team. I don’t think it’s a major adjustment though, he’s still doing the same things any QB does.
I think Delpit can hold up in the box too. He’s a really good tackler and pretty stout for a DB. In a couple years he may easily be 6’3”, 215. I don’t worry about him dropping down at all….especially in today’s NFL where you can’t really tackle or hit anyway. And, I think he gives you the versatility that he can do what we wanted Minkah to do. He can drop down and go back. You add in the leadership qualities, and he could be a really nice addition if healthy.
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Just my thoughts. Good to hear others. If he falls to us, I’ll be happy. If he doesn’t, no big deal. Never lock onto any one player. Get value. The only exception to that rule for me is if you really need a QB and like a guy in the draft. Then, I can live with a little reaching or forgoing value a little.
I think If Deloitte is there at 18 you have to seriously consider taking him. Although, I think they need edge and DT more.
Delpit
Take the best players on your board as they are available that fit what you’re looking for and that makes your team better. I wouldn’t put positions in any kind of order. Follow your grades, but we all know QB is the exception if you think he can be the guy.
Naples,
No, both tackles are pretty much doing the same thing technique-wise….just mirroring it. LT were traditionally the athletic tackle because teams used to put their best pass rusher on the right side…most QBs’ blindside…and the “weak” side. So, because they are playing against most likely the best athlete on the defense, they had to be able to match it. They couldn’t be just a big strong guy who couldn’t move. Yes, they do need to take a little different drops and sets, but it’s really predicated on the defensive player. They’re better, more athletic players, so you need a more athletic guy playing against them.
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Traditionally, teams used to scheme their running games to the right, lined up the TE on that side…the strong side….and wanted their best run blocking guy playing RT. Also, the defensive player rushing from that side simply wasn’t the same sort of athlete coming from the other side. That’s pretty much all changed now, and we see teams being able to bring pressure from anywhere and the focus on versatile defensive guys who can move anywhere along the line. Now, your RT needs to be able to move too.
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So, yes, you do usually want your best OL athlete guarding your QB’s blind side because teams will bring pressure from that side, but in today’s NFL it matters less and less. Switching from one side to the other isn’t all that difficult technique wise. Some guys just can’t do it for whatever reason but not because the technique is wildly different. With a guy like Tua, I’d be more worried about getting pretty good, short guards.
Good post! I was discussing this exact subject with Mike E last week.
Naples, you didn’t get the in-depth discussion you were looking for on this subject probably because we already discussed it last week. Randy laid it out pretty well.
Phish,
Whoever this Deloitte guy is, he must be pretty good. Lol
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I think with the season Burrow had and the concerns over Tua’s health, it would be hard for Cincy to pick Tua over Burrow.
Damn autocorrect
So it seems that the total draft picks for teams has been updated. The X’s are due to unknown compensatory picks so the order after the 3rd round is undetermined.
We have 1st (3), 2nd (2), 3rd (1), 5th (3), 6th (2), 7th (1). That doesn’t include any comp picks we may be awarded. I’m not even concerned with those picks because we’re already in great shape. If we get some extra picks, great!
https://gbnreport.com/unofficial-list-of-2020-picks-by-team/
D – R1P26
Mike E – R1P26
BBM – R1P26
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Tim Knight – R1P18 or R1P26
(Depends on what value grade you have on him.)
D-bolt- 39th….I still prefer Taylor.
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Thank you Mike E and Randy. Those were excellent analyses.
Tim, I read everything here most every day, even when I do not have time to post, but I do miss a few days,
I wonder if it would affect our own defense in practices to face the leftie QB all the time?
I did play some TE (just in high school), and I remember sometimes chipping a DT before releasing on my route to help the RT. I also rarely lined up on the left end.
“Student Body Right” sweeps were a big thing then, so I lined up at H-back (called “wing-back”) with another TE to my right on the line and another FB in a pro-set with the HB. That thing was guaranteed to get 8 yds until coaches realized they had to shift a LB over there to help the little CBs who were getting killed trying to set the edge way out in space against much bigger guys.
They were actually variations off the single-wing. The interior OL all had to cut-block, which the DL hated.
We actually usually had a guy split wide left called the “Flanker” and my old assistant coach called him the “Flanker-Back.” To my right was a “Split End.”
No such term as “Wide Receiver.” ahhhh memories