Do you hear it?
(The sound of thunder crashes behind Piggy)
Piggy Kiper here. I’m just going to hide under this desk…Some of you have been looking forward to this post…others will hate it. No matter where you fall, make sure your squiggly doesn’t get burned by the storm that is coming. Experts are saying that the 2020 NFL draft is among the deepest draft for wide receiver in years.
Is it true?
A true Samurai never reveals your fate until your throat is already cut!
(the wind picks up behind Piggy)
Most Dolfans don’t view Wide Receiver as a priority, but when you look at our roster, our top receiver is DeVante Parker, a guy who only recently blossomed – can he keep it up? After Parker it’s Preston Williams, who has the look of a great find, but who is still unproven. Then there is Albert Wilson, the focal point of the 2018 Gase offense, who may be on his way out. So there is a lot of uncertainty at the position coming into 2020. I don’t think Dolfans should rule out the possibility of a high pick on a wide receiver. But even if the Dolphins don’t do that, the Dolphins probably will spend a day 3 pick on a wide put.
But this list isn’t for Day 3 Wideouts – It for Samurai!
So let’s look at these Samurai….but be very careful…they are dangerous…
(A tornado swirls behind Piggy)
Jerry Jeudy, Alabama
With 159 receptions, 2,742 career yards and 26 career touchdowns in three years at Powerhouse Alabama, no one is overlooking this Samurai. Jeudy may be the first receiver off the board. Jeudy may be Odell Beckham, Jr. without the baggage. He’s physically gifted with incredible speed and agility. Jeudy made a lot of downfield plays during his time with Alabama and although he is fast, it wasn’t his speed that lead to a lot of those downfield plays, it was his technique. Jeudy is polished, talented and ready to go. I expect to see success early for Jeudy in the NFL. Jeudy is this year’s tornado of talent.
(lightning strikes the ground Piggy)
Henry Ruggs III, Alabama
As usual, Alabama was loaded in 2019. One position that was notable was wide receiver, where play after play, they had receivers making plays down field. In Ruggs’ case his speed really standouts. Ruggs ran a blistering 4.27 at the combine. That is what this Samurai is – FAST. If you want a guy to run downfield, pick Ruggs. Ruggs averaged 18.7 yards a catch in 2019. DBs better have a plan for this kind of speed in the NFL. One notable negative about this Samurai I don’t want to say to loud (Piggy whispers ducking from a swinging katana) his numbers dropped off a bit after the Tua injury. But he still runs like lightning and will be a real asset to any offense.
(the Earth quakes below Piggy)
Laviska Shenault, Jr., Colorado
This athletic beast is among the most physical samurai in the draft. His thick, chiseled frame is generally unaffected by contact from DBs or LBs. Honestly, it looks like this Samurai looks for contact. Shenault can be a solid outside receiver, but I think he might be more suited to do what Dolfans have seen guys like Jarvis Landry or Rishard Matthews do for us for years. Shenault is expected to go anywhere between the late first round to the early third round. I will whisper the last part…Some people think Shenault may be too physical (a samurai arrow strikes the wall behind Piggy) and he should improve his route running ability. He is this year’s Earthquake!
(A Volcano erupts behind Piggy)
Justin Jefferson, LSU
Jefferson has good speed and he will burn you like lava, but that’s not his greatest strength. Jefferson is the best route runner among these Samurais. An top notch technician among this WR class, Jefferson provided a reliable target for first overall pick Joe Burrow. The LSU offense erupted in 2019 and you can see that in Jefferson’s stats, nearly doubling his yardage from 2018 (875 yards) to 2019 (1,540 yards). A lot of experts are saying Jefferson will not be a #1 receiver, but will make a heck of a #2. Jefferson is as reliable as a volcano, if you see one, it will probably erupt some day.
(a tsunami crashes over Piggy)
Jalen Reagor, TCU
Thanks a lot Jalen, now I’m all wet! (Piggy floats to the surface) It seems calm for a moment…too calm…all of the sudden boom…Jalen Reagor goes the distance and breaks open the game. With elite speed and an uncanny ability change direction, DBs should never get comfortable around Reagor. Think of Reagor as a poor man’s Ruggs, if there was no poverty. Speed both vertically and laterally defines this terrific talent and helped him collect 1,061 yards and 9 TDs in 2018.
(A Blizzard forms around Piggy)
CeeDee Lamb, Oklahoma
Brrrrrrrrr…This one is cold. CeeDee Lamb put up great numbers at Oklahoma, not doubt those numbers were inflated by the system – but you can’t ignore what he did. Lamb looked like he was running around frozen defenders. He is so quick, they froze in place with his every move. At 6’2, 189 pounds, he has good size but what stands out about Lamb is his body control. That body control helps him make some tough catches and then quickly regain his balance and use his quickness to pack on the yards after the catch while the defenders stand around him like icicles.
(A comet crashes in front of Piggy)
Tee Higgins, Clemson
Wow! I didn’t even see that coming! I should have, given Clemson has produced some terrific Samurais over the years. Higgins is this little Piggy’s favorite samurai this year. At 6-4, 215 what you can see on the tape with Higgins is his ability to attack the ball while it’s in the air and make it his. He’s a graceful receiver who will make your toe touching catch on a ball that most receivers think is out of reach. He will enagage with CBs playing press and come up with the big catch. He’s also very shifty for a tall receiver and will certianly break tackles and get the all important YAC. Higgins compares favorably to AJ Green.
Now you know who the samurais are. Beware!
Finsmob Unleashed 
I could see us being interested in Raekwon Davis. He can probably be a versatile DL you can move around. Big man who’s a pretty good athlete and powerful at the point of attack.
He might be available in the 3rd round
Yeah I’m not saying the 1st round but he could go 2nd. He has a lot of talent. I believe maturity issues have been a concern but not sure what they are.
Tim on the page turn. There was a time Tim had a monopoly on that
LOL yeah but it’s worn off over the years.
…exactly 5 days from now, we may be on the clock.
So many holes….unless all in for Burrow I don’t see a qb at 5. BPA if you truly love 8-9 in top 5. Smoke screen? Maybe.
I don’t think it’s a smoke screen. I could see us being interested in quite a few prospects at #5. I don’t think it’s clear cut who goes 3-12 etc. If it’s Burrow #1 I think Young goes #2. After that I could see a lot of different scenarios.
Who knows, maybe the 8-9 prospects are Burrow, Young, Okudah, Simmons, Brown, and the 4 top OTs. I guess we’ll know more on Thursday if Tua and/or Herbert were in those top 8-9 and worth taking.
I don’t mean just us, we could see the draft go very differently than what is usually projected.
My good friend who is also a Dolphins fan wants Herbert to be the pick and has felt that way for months.
Yea, there’s really no telling how it will play out right now. Much more unsure this year for many reasons.
rgs, I think there is good talent in the 1st round but I don’t see a huge separation between a lot of prospects and I can see teams targeting needs or that they like this guy better than that guy type of thing – team fit, style of player etc.
I wouldn’t be shocked if Javon Kinlaw goes much earlier than expected. See Clelin Ferrell last year who most thought would go outside the top 10 and he went #4 to the Raiders.
Raiders don’t count, they always do some whackjob thing🤔
It’s not Al Davis anymore though. He always drafted the guy with the fastest 40. LOL
I just think the first 10-12 picks could surprise some people.
There are often 8 or 9 guys you could legitimately take at #5. I really don’t think that means anything. Just as when they have a good feel for who they like….that too could mean just about anything. Grier is good at saying a lot of nothing.
He just threw out a number suggestion but he could have just said we feel good at #5. Pretty much the same thing. LOL
They just put in one way signs for the aisles at the local grocery store, but half the people continue to do whatever the fuck they feel like.
I saw that where I go but it’s rarely busy when I go and it’s kind of stupid. Just keep your distance from others. It’s not that complicated.
Then ya try to skip an aisle and you are now the “wrong way guy”
It’s not stupid at all, when someone goes in the opposite direction they come within 6 feet of you.
If im calling the shots. No way im taking tua at 5. If you put jordan love on alabama hed be great also.
I really think simmons will be there at 5 and thats who i take
No doubt he’s a talented multiple defender. Like I said the other day not sure we even need him. LB is not a weak position for us. We’re currently carrying 14 after FA. I don’t see LB at #5.
I would overlook need because he is the best player available at 5
Maybe. He could also be a JAG who’s versatile.
Quantity doesn’t equality. When you have a great LB crew you can get away with an average DL, or average DBs.
Try to get love with the next pick
If you take the top QBs into account and other top prospects, I think at #5 if we stay there it will be either Burrow, Herbert. Tua, Young or Okudah. If we’re all in at QB we’ll trade up and get our guy. Maybe we go QB later in the 1st or 2nd round. That’s possible too.
We control this draft. Nobody can offer what we can without depleting current and future drafts. We can do that and still have a normal draft this year and onward.
That’s what in hoping for, take one of the 3 QBs or top 2 from D at 5. If we’re on the clock at 5 I also wouldn’t mind trading back a few spots.
This is pure hypothetical. Not saying we should or shouldn’t and I’m not even going to mention the prospect we draft. If we wanted “the guy” to move up to #1, what would you give up?
The number 26 pick and a day 3 pick
It will cost more than that which is why I don’t move up
Silly answer – be realistic if you feel the team feels this prospect changes your franchise for the better for a decade.
“This is pure hypothetical”
I don’t think one player changes the team …even a QB
You need those other picks to make the one player excel
Would you be okay with it?
1a. #5 QB Justin Herbert, Utah
1b. #18 C Cesar Ruiz, Michigan
1c. #26 LT Josh Jones, Houston
2a. #39 RB Clyde Edwards-Helaire, LSU
2b. #56 DL Raekwon Davis, Alabama
3. #70 DB Antoine Winfield Jr., Minnesotaf
Yeah but I don’t think Ruiz is a first rounder
But the entire draft looks good
If you think you have a starting C for 5-8 years? We need to get better on the OL,
I’d be fine with it too, but agree on Ruiz, and instead of making that pick trade back.
I think we’re pretty good at WR so as teams pluck those guys we pluck other positions.
If Williams comes back healthy. Sometimes it takes a season to regain form…
If Parker wasnt a one year wonder and isn’t the usual bag of chips……
Those are big ifs to me. Fingers crossed
I bet we take one, but not early unless someone falls. I really can’t imagine a scenario where Wilson is still on the roster cine opening say.
But what do I know, maybe he wasn’t healthy last year, he sure looked good in 2018.
What’s the point of the Wonderlic? It’s not for leadership, Ray Lewis scored 13, has nothing to do with QB, Marino and other greats scored low, so what’s the point? Do they want to use it later to determine a coach?
Fournette on the trading blocks. ORob, what say you?
Tim
Do you think adding a center is more important than another tackle?
I would add two tackles on this draft before I add a center
It depends how the board falls but usually it’s harder to get quality tackles if you don’t land them early
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Piggy – I do think Ruiz will be a 1st RD pick, I’ve seen him as low as #23 to the Patriots. I think he’s the best center and although they don’t go early, I think he’ll be taken in the 1st for sure.
Unbelievable! Talk about opening casinos in the first wave of businesses to open. But things will be different, spacing at gaming tables and slots, dealers will where masks…
Yeah do all of that, but make the public where masks too, anyone that doesn’t you 86 them.
I’m not a big fan of drafting tua tagovailoa at #5
Steve, I think having a strong running game is key to having a great quarterback, just look at Ryan tannehill. I’m not sure if fournette is that running back but I may give him a shot cause he’s a powerful beast
I would much rather draft Jordan love at #18 if he’s there
If you pass on tour at 5, quarterback needed teams will have 2 quarterbacks to choose from before they get to Jordan love. That may may Jordan love available at #18
If you pass on tua
2 tugalo is small he plays small. If you were to take any of these other quarterbacks and put them all on Alabama they would look just as good as tua tagovailoa
There is a balance of power in the NFL unlike college football. Alabama’s talent level is way above their opponents, he won’t have that luxury in the NFL.
We need a dominant nose tackle for sure, we got gassed in the run game last year, we need to take care of that.
We need everything really…to get better at every position. 5 starters is my hope.
OL, DL (whatever it takes to stop the run and rush the passer), DBs, LBs, RBs, WRs, QB.
We need as much talent as we can get.
We have 14 selections guys
The 5 pick is not our only pick
The 5 pick is for the guy you like that might be the biggest difference maker that you don’t think will be there a little later
We did a great job in free agency bringing talent into this team
If we miss on the 5 pick pick, I don’t think it kills this offseason bc 18, 26, 39 mans 56 can also make us much better
I would roll the dice on Tua or even Herbert at 5, then think about our holes with those other picks
If they really don’t like either QB, that’s one thing and maybe the FO doesn’t
But I think that’s the only reason you pass a QB at 5
Bc you don’t like that QB
Not bc you have other needs
When you have that many picks, you can address needs one way or another
You have to weigh need with BPA. I think we ” need” a franchise qb. Whether we have one on the roster now is debateable.
Taking the BPA & taking tua may not go hand in hand as i believe simmons if available would be the BPA.
totally agree…….. make the TEAM better, not just one position.
Tua is a great QB and the smoke screens are obviously working. We’ve had true talent evaluators like Jimmy Johnson think he’s top tier. Bama played the best teams in the nation and Tua is the first QB they’ve had where they focused on passing instead of running. 22-2 as a starter. Guy WON his job on one of the best two perennial teams in America. Took the job from a winning QB and beat the best defense in the nation to get his ring.
ELITE talent who’s ONLY real concern is health. Let’s not start getting ridiculous in our evals.
Yep
Its why ya look at their feet and technique, i have said this before on here, speed of the game is a big deal at that position, but if their footwork/quick to move and set the feet and then shift and reset, is there, and their technique doesnt let them get bent back, etc Those guys will be fine, adjustment yes, but it wont take long at all until they are caught up. I do not like Beckton because he has really bad clunky feet. He’s and athletic dude and he is massive, but his feet dont move good and thats going ot be a problem at the pro level.
Great post Wyoming! In comparison to Ledyard’s evaluations it feels like mock drafts are full of people DESPERATE for OT. His analysis and projections for Austin Jackson were particularly stunning.
Ow he really doesn’t like Austin Jackson
I really hope Thomas drops to 18 – that would be perfect
You have to weigh the team need. BPA is the top person on their big board, and their big board isnt ranked like these armchair GM that we accpet as football experts. Simmons, may be ranked higher and he may nt, but to think that team need isnt in play is silly. If you just did BPA every time you could wind up with a team full of WR’ or full of S’s, you have to consuider your needs or you have players you draft that were BPA but wont play because they are behind two better vet starters. Simmons doesnt look to me to be that damn special anyways. Id rather have Brown than Simmons, maybe even Okudah over Simmons, but he is also in a position where we have two vet starters.
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Saw a mock draft in which Miami did NOT take QB at #5
#5 – Simmons
#18 – Love
#26 – McKinney
#39 – Jones
#56 – Edwards-Helaire
Gotta admit … with our CBs, then McKinney AND now Simmons … the visions of what this defense could be got me a bit dizzy. lol
I’m trying to have fun looking at the myriad of options and not let the anxiety of “mistakes” ruin that fun. I say give Flores whatever HE wants. The second half of last season with the weakest roster in the NFL proves he can ‘coach. So if he wants ‘his’ defense first, ah what the hell, give it to him!
I think love maybe better than tua
Build the defense from the back forward, with fat draft you are doing that and you’re getting your need at quarterback as well.
I think a top 5 defense will get you to the playoffs.
Did and jalen hurts have 22 wins when he was with Alabama versus 2 losses, so why isn’t he considered as the 5th pick in the draft.
I would like to see LT’s Wills or Thomas at #5. RT’s Tega Wonogho or Charles by pick #70. C/OG Ruiz or Cushenberry somewhere in between. Sprinkle in a DT, SS/FS, RB or QB somewhere in between as well and I will be happy. Also, I still believe we need to trade our 4th round comp a 5th and 7th to move back in to 3rd round. We will miss out on to much talent between #70 and #141.
agree about getting back into the 3rd round. While there are often guys who surprise from 6th and 7th rounds, I regard those picks as “give it a shot” or someone who could be real good on special teams. Just not gonna count on finding even a backup that late.
All those 5th round picks makes it easy to give one up as you suggested, to get into 3rd round.
Totally agree about moving up
That gap between 70 and 141 is huge (relative to the rest of this draft)
Do we need 3 5th rounders? I would rather have a layer third and one less 5th
What would it take #70 + ? to get another pick in the 2nd round??? Now you’re looking at drafting 6 guys who could/should be starters. I like that more than loading a team with late pick ‘potentials’. I seem to remember the Pats love for the 2nd round.
Day 3 is full of great developmental picks
But if we sat right on all our picks that would be 8 guys in day 3 not including UDFA
I don’t know that we can afford to have 8-10 guys on our final 53 in hopes that they will develop in a few years
To me those licks are build to be combined together to move up
4, 5a, 5b, 5c, 6, 7a, and 7b
We can get a few good players there
But if you take a few of those picks and move with other picks in day 2, that makes more sense to me
CBS Sports mock from a couple hours ago…. 18 and 70 to move up to 3. yikes. but to still get Jones, Ruiz, and Taylor thats not bad at all. Didn’t take a safety until 251 (?)
Miami Dolphins
ROUND OVERALL PLAYER NOTES
1 3 QB Tua Tagovailoa, Alabama from DET*
1 5 Traded to Detroit
1 18 Traded to Detroit from PIT
1 26 OT Josh Jones, Houston from HOU
2 39 C/G Cesar Ruiz, Michigan
2 56 RB Jonathan Taylor, Wisconsin from NO
3 70 Traded to Detroit
That would certainly do it for Chris Greer I could imagine he will be fired after that draft
Why do we need to trade the 18 when we have the 26
Are the chargers going to outbid with the 6 and the 37th pick….I don’t think so
Decent haul, but that trade would make me sick. LOL I hope we stay put.
Being that we have a defensive coach I would expect a defensive player early on
We could wait on a SS/FS. I would love to steal UGA SS/FS J.R. Reed at #154 which is one of the picks we got in the Minkah FF trade. He may not last that long though.
Keep seeing him available in the 5th when I do mocks
Who knows if that’s right – but he doesn’t seem like a guy that has hype to go day 1 or 2
We have been whining about a Franchise QB for a decade.. we are now armed and able to do pretty much whatever we want THIS draft.. if FO thinks it’s Rosen so be it , if they don’t think so , fill that spot with whatever it takes.. the savings on $$ alone having a rookie contract at QB would be a large stepping stone for next 4-5 years … if they grade a few close to the same IE Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Love or whoever, settle for who falls and Kill it this year. I want to have our QB position set for next 5 years by the start of the next season , whenever that will be ….
I also realize the NEED at OL, so don’t prostitute to the point we get ZERO at that position hopefully, but nail down the QB of the future with yer best guess/idea of who that will be
IF this is the year to get the QB and we know we have 2 more years of drafts to build out the rest of the team…
… then why not use arsenal (including extra picks from next year) to get Burrows.
No chance to get Lawrence next year, but Bengals would be the favorite for Lawrence next year.
As long as it doesn’t end up being a Rickey Williams type payout I’d be really happy with that… if that’s who the FO agrees is best …
I agree, but, after Burrow, I worry about Tua’s durability. Herbert looks like a robot in all his motions. Love, I don’t know. I am just all up in the air about the QB thing.
I would love to play poker with some of these mocksters who don’t play the table
It’s really not about the value of of the move fro 5 to 3
It’s about what other teams have to outbid you
Play the table
There’s no reason to give up the 18 to get to 3 from 5
or as they say in chess … play the board, not the person. 🙂
Positions of need. 1. OL 2. SAFETY 3.DL 4.QB. in that order . we were gashed on the DL inthe run d last year
That doesn’t mean you pick in that order
If we pass on tua tagovailoa at 5 there will be 2 quarterbacks and Justin Herbert being 1 of them available for quarterback knitting teams that may make Jordan love slide to 18
needy
Take best player available at 5 get your quarterback at 18
That’s the same logic that landed us Chad Henne instead of Matt Ryan
Bill Parcells literally said he doesn’t think there’s much of a drop off
If they like one of those 3 QBs, they probably take that QB at 5
If they liked Jordan Love and they find out Jacksonville or LA liked him. Ore and took him before 18 that wouldn’t be good
I don’t know if they like one of those 3 or they don’t like a QB
But at QB, I don’t think you take the best of who’s left when you have an opportunity to take who’s best
If they draft a QB, I think they take that QB at 5
If we traded up with Detroit I would take okuda
Usually we have a half a dozen needs and only 1 first round pick….lol
Exactly, we have 7 extra picks this year compared to a “normal draft” go get who ya want …
That’s why I say
They don’t have to get a QB
We aren’t taking one based on need
But if you think one can be special – take him at 5
18, 26, 39 and 56 can all be good football players
But you are in the top 5 with two other picks in the first
That’s a uniquely good position to be in
Maybe they love one guy or maybe they want to wait until 2021
It at the QB position you don’t Let other teams take their guys and take what’s left over
Rob – What are you basing the Love better than Tua on, potential? You don’t think he’s better now, do you?
I think if you put Jordan love on Alabama last year he would be better than tua tagovailoa, he’s bigger has a stronger arm more athletic
How does Mitch trubisky compare to Patrick mahomes? Mitch trubisky was the second overall player taken in that draft and mahomes the 10th player. So how did the pendants get that wrong?
Yeah but Chicago is stupid LOL
Just curious, if Miami traded up for Burrows … and without the “what did it cost” concerns …
who here would love to have Burrows as our franchise QB to build around the next two years?
👍👍👍👍👍
If he fell to us, I would love it
I don’t want to bring him in at the costs of not having people around him
I also honestly always preferred Tua, but I aknowledge that Tua is riskier
No doubt!
Piggy, saw another CBS mock where Miami only had to give up #39 to move up to #3
That hon stay makes more sense
My guess is the 39 and a later day 3 pick gets you ahead of the Chargers
Jacksonville is a bit of a wildcard bc they have two first rounders – but they would be jumping from 9 to 3
Did you just call me “hon” … and ask me to “stay” ? lol
*Honestly
Lol – wtf iPad
BBM , I agree.. Burrow looks the best case scenario/total package based on Tua injuries, and question marks on others
Look at the 2018 draft, how many quarterbacks were taken a head of Lamar Jackson, and how many of them have turned out to be great.?
who would we move up to 3 to pick?
I would try to move to pick 2 if the price was right. Young and Wilkins anchoring our DL would be awesome!
I will say, in ORob’s defense, a lot of people love Jordan Love
He’s really talented
I just don’t think it opens the door to wait until 18
If Tua and Herbert are there at 6 love may be there at 18
If he’s not move on. We still have fitz and rosen. We are not desperate for a qb this year.
If they think that highly of Love, some one else probably does too
Remember KC moved up to take Mahomes
It’s hard to sit and wit for your QB to fall to you
I dont want to trade up to get Tua, but that’s just me … if we trade up to secure Tua , I would say FO has all the faith in him being healthy , but would consider that a “Blink” at the poker table not waiting to 5
This would be pretty awesome!
Getting brown at 18 would be a win of a first round by itself, but Brown and Jones, I could give a shit who 5 was.we already had a great draft.
TBH, I would be happy with QB Eason at #39. I know there are concerns with his commitment to the game. I think, under our coaches he could become very good. He looks no different than Herbert except Herbert is more athletic but Eason doesn’t look like a robot like Herbert. I can almost guarantee you, the Pats (with their three 3rd rounds picks) will trade up into the 2nd round to draft Eason.
Eason is more talented probably than anyone but Tua. He’s less likely a bust than Love. If I could just get past his shitty personality is probably have him worthy of 18, but I just can’t. I like him better at 26 than love but I don’t like either of them earlier. I’d prefer taking them in the second to truly match risk-reward.
I agree.
Looks amazing
Meh, LOL. I will feel better if he fell to #18 and we took a OT at #5, then I will like the pic.
Tim has said it a few times, I have, some others have. 14 fucking picks guys, stop sweating this. Using all 14 isn’t going to make or break, trading up or down or whatever isn’t going to make or break us. Missing on a pick isn’t going to make or break us. It’s just bumps on the road if they can’t recover from them then that’s the problem and we will be starting over anyways, just let this play out lol
If we hit on 50% it’s a good draft.
Not only that, everyone is scrambling trying to address every position and it’s unlikely. We’re not going to have perfect players at every position. No team does.
I’d be surprised if Love could play as a rookie. He’s got a lot of work to do on his game. He has some nice physical potential, but he’s got warts too. I’d probably draft about 4 or 5 other guys before him.
I’m guessing 2 years with him of it ever happens he has some major growing to do.
Good news is we don’t need a starter this year unless we get FitzTragic, as opposed to Fitzmagic 😊
He’s a project
There is no way he’s playing a rookie imo
I’m just throwing out possibilities. The draft always has some wrinkles in it.
I’m telling you!
Take QB dejure at #5
Trade up to 12 or 13 for LT
Trade back from #26 to recoup a late 1st and a 2nd!
I don’t understand the last one. #26 is a late 1st. Where is the 2nd coming from?
You’d have to use #56 to trade up to 12
Maybe should have used for instead of recoup?
I’m saying your not getting a 2nd to trade down that late.
Use a 3rd and 2 5th’s to go from 18 to 12
Then stay at 26 and 56?????????
Use creativity Tim!!!!!! 😉
#1 Tua
#12 Thomas
#29 Wilson
#39 Delpit / Winfield
#61 Dobbins / Best RB left
THis works for me
#5 trade down to #12 and take Ruggs
#18 CB Diggs
#20 TE Bryant
#26 ILB Murray Oklahoma
scuse me
trade #5 down to #9
I doubt any quarterback we draft will be starting year 1.
so see, it is possible to mess this thing up. (See my example above)
There are 4 positions where you can’t find good replacements’ for top talent rated by need; QB, DE, OT, TE. We haver the rare chance of being in position to get a really good QB this year and I fully expect our FO to get one. I also fully expect the QB no later than pick #5. Thankfully, our FO has tons of experience and won’t pick some easily replaceable DT, LB, or CB early. It’s QB unless Rosen was the guy all along and then it will be OT. Mark it down.
Draft defense early, build a strong defense.
However,
here is a scenario:
trade #5 down to #9 and take BPA @ OT
#18 BPA @ other OT or BPA WR
#26 BPA RB
oh and to be induced to trade down,
we get Ngakuoe and a 2nd and/or Jax pays some of his paycheck a la what we did w/ Tannehill.
Take Eason or Love with Jax’s 2nd and Ruiz or another BPA IOL with our own 2nd
Take BPA @ TE or safety with our 3rd
Trade all other picks to get back into 3rd and take BPA TE or Safety or whomever we still want
Don’t like either Eason or Love. I would be very disappointed if that is our plan for QB. That would be an epic FO failure imo
Fwiw- I don’t see us reaching for a QB- if one is there that we like at 5, we take him, or go BPA. I also think it’s possible someone wants to trade into our spot, and we may end up with a QB in the first round after all is said and done. The one thing I would not be too surprised about, though I don’t see happening, is us putting together a package to get Burrow.
Either Tua or Herbert should be there at #5. But guess two teams could trade up ahead of us. Q is whether it it there guy.
Given that they might not even play the season — what if we just traded it all away? Yeah we can pick like OT in the 1st and 2nd and some of the lower guys. But what if we put it all up on ebay? What’s the difference btwn a guy who doesn’t show up to camp from this draft class and the 2021 one who does?
Assuming the premium on trading for future picks will still apply.
So if Flores has lots of input into the draft selections,
and I think he does
and he earned it
after what he accomplished last year,
then what QB does FLORES want?
Grant Delpit. QB of the D
I think he does like Delpit, and I don’t mind if we take him in the 2nd.
Lmao
4 days till we have a slew of new players! I would expect at least 3 or 4 new day 1 starters, but it’s not inconceivable we come away with 6 or 7. Added to the FAs, this team is going to look so different. So many great scenarios have been played out on the blog, and it’ll be exciting no matter which way we go.
It really doesn’t matter who they pick. If it works…if the kids they pick work out and are good players….nobody will care how they do it. If they end up missing on lots of picks, they’ll get ripped apart no matter how they do it. Lol
I’ve said the same thing a few times. It’s about team results not draft grades.
So how was Flores trained?
He was trained to expect and relish a QB who
protects the ball
gets it out in a hurry
has great pocket awareness
is tall and yet durable
uses the QB sneak
will scramble a bit as the pocket breaks down
manages the clock
memorizes enormous amounts
follows orders
keeps himself in great shape
is clean cut and has great hair
Which QB is closest to that this draft?
Tua
See tall and durable, Tua strikes against 🤡 see what I did there 😊
Clean cut and great hair? I have no clue where you going ….
Brady’s look let him work the refs and put fans in the seats.
Brady missed a year due to injury and Tua is 6,1” it’s not like he is a shrimp
Oh , sorry I thought he was like 5-11. My bad
He measured in at 6′ 0″ 217 but has 10″ hands.
That makes Mike E happy 😆
LOL
Drew Brees measured in at 6′ 0″ 213 and 10.25″ hands.
or
skip QB in this draft all together
trade down and take 2 OTs in the first
2 RBs
a TE, Safety and WR
all in rounds 1 and 2.
Get Ngakoue for the trade down
and sign Cam Newton.
You are just trying to ruin my day although Son is probably smiling. I think Cam’s best days are behind him
Not with you on Cam Newton, but then we can play with the two QBs we have. Don’t need to take a QB. Especially if we do some wheeling and dealing to walk into the next draft strong. Imagine if they don’t play….. should mean we get #5 again.
Just wait. They will draft the next Chad Pennington in Fromm.
I actually like Fromm but not as our franchise QB. I can see him being an excellent backup QB
I’m serious.
Who does FLORES want at QB?
Who does he want to be the coach of?
Who does he want to turn over the offense to?
Is Chan Gailey here to sublimate himself to a star at QB?
That could be the thinking.
Or is he here to coach a guy up?
(or calm Love down)
Because who FLORES wants is whom we will take.
I think both Tua and Herbert fit his mold. Eason and Love do not
I agree that Eason and Love do not.
I am not sure Tua does, though.
I think Herbert and Fromm do.
and — wait for it —
Burrow.
Tua more than Burrow imo. The only thing Burrow has over Tua is health. Fromm fits the acumen/intangibles aspects but doesn’t have the physical skills for him to be the guy
I hate to say it, but Fromm could be the Brady-clone.
Even emulating the “passed over, picked late” story-line.
naples — if you knew which QB we liked or even which one other than Burrows is best for the Phins….. then Grier didn’t do his smoke and mirrors job right.
oh but i think he has done a masterful job of concealing.
(whispering)
Dalton is still at Cincy
OR
Newton or Winston could go there in a heartbeat.
With those 3 optins and Rosen,
What if Cincy took our King’s ransom
and gave us Burrow?
5, 26, Rosen, second 1st round pick next year….
change that to one of them being a 2nd, and I’m in.
Ken,
I think Fromm would be a very safe pick. He has a lot of good QB traits. He could end up being a really good pro…but I think with how the game is played now you need an athlete at QB. In 5 years, will we see many straight pocket passers anymore? Probably but the number is dwindling.
Think a young version of either Dan Mariino or Dan Fouts could play in the NFL 5 years from now.
Jalen Hurts has every chance of becoming a really good pro too. He produces everywhere he goes. Are people down on him moving teams and maybe being a headcase? Is he a selfish guy?
I think Hurts has a 50/50 chance to be a viable NFL QB.
He reminds me of all those Ohio State QBs
who look great in college
but can’t make the transition to the NFL.
Randy,
I really liked Hurts early this year but he disappointed me the more I watched. He will surprise some people though. His biggest problem is a penchant to run too early. He has a few more problems and a team would have to do more molding with him than a few other guys. Not the worst pick when all is said and done though.
Signing Cam Newton would electrify the fan base enough to assuage them for giving up Burrow.
Lots of people find Newton exciting to watch, and he’s a great presser.
And he’s not done. In fact he’s pissed.
And if he plays 6 but gets hurt again, and they’re 5-1 or 4-2
then Dalton comes in (or Rosen or Winston)
then the FO in Cincy is off the hook and out of trouble
as they at least tried,
and they still have all those golden rookies they got from us for Burrow.
and they can draft a QB next year. (We won’t be in the market.)
I think he’s done. His value was the option of running and he’s lost a lot of that. Never turned into a great passer with only that one year of great production. I’d pass immediately.
not for US —
for the Bungles,
who already have a mature team
and would get an infusion of talent
from trading Burrow to us.
I like that idea but any idea involving us getting Burrow is good for me.
Urp**
Just threw up a little
Acid reflux?
Too much gravy on your fries?
just from a fun-ness aspect
Wouldn’t it be fun to watch Fitz
with 2 new tackles, a new OG, new and nastier Center, 2 stud RBs,
and a defense full of new FAs that gets TOs and/or 3 and outs
so he has a short field to work with a lot?
He could still run over a CB for a first from time to time
just for fun.
The NFL is following the NBA.
which is a good thing in some ways.
The old “position-static” way has yielded to
a bunch of hyper athletic guys
all running loose scoring from anywhere.
True, old-school centers are almost extinct,
if not already so. As are scoreless point guards.
There will be a counter to this type of play in the next 4 years. I expect to see ball control offenses to come back in a big way.
We already see that teams who run the football well usually have a decent level of success. The RB position may be devalued but not the running game as a whole.
Naples: so who is your Mr GQ at QB ??
Ryan Fitzpatrick. (him and his clipped beard and svelte self)
with Josh Rosen as the back-up
and skip drafting a QB this year.
Instead get 4-6 new starters in OL, RB, maybe DT, and Safety.
Then either Rosen is ready to take over, or we draft a QB in 2021.
While keeping Rosen as a career back-up / spot starter.
We could then sacrifice a whole draft to trade up in 2021
(we still have 2 1sts and 2 2nds)
and take (someone)….
This would keep QB low on the cap for another 4 years (5 counting now)
while we go to the SB and pay the positiin players their re-up $.
I love a power running attack, especially with a pair of shut down corners on D.
(wink)
No really, because if you can keep the chunk plays by their offense to a minimum,
then you can grind them into submission with a dominating run game
and a QB who takes what the D gives in little bites.
I have said many times in the past 2 years that the pendulum was shifting back to that as the defenses get too light and finessy.
I have advocated drafting 2 RBs high this whole draft, even in addition to Howard.
PS: all of this is the Patriot Way, btw, so we know it works.
for New Age
Yeah, I like it too and SF would have won the SB if they had stuck to that just a bit more in the second half.
GQ QB
https://i.insider.com/5b9ef23d959f3418008b5e1a?width=1400&format=jpeg&auto=webp
LMAO. Not quite my picture of a GQ QB but hey to each his own
Really?
What is yours then?
Mine Would be more Garropolo … not sure who from this draft fits the bill..
https://images.app.goo.gl/qS4zKyUBEvtTkZj66
Tell me this do not look like RT ?!
yeah but Bradshaw looks even more like Opie.
Face right on! But either Terry was bigger or just was just was for his time.
The face is what I meant yes. Blew me away when I saw early pic of him earlier this year
I don’t see why we need to go two RBs unless you all mean one in the late rounds. There are only so many touches to go around. Depth is good but you can find depth in a lot of ways. Laird and Gaskin are decent and I think Laird can be more than a backup RB. He’s a natural receiver and I think he can help as a move the chains receiver.
I think we do that cause we have 14 picks. In reality, we probably only draft 10 or so is my guess. There are some speedy small water bug RB’s who will go undrafted like Raymond Calais and possibly J.J. Taylor who could be brought in.
Howard and the back we target are likely going to get the bulk of touches. So you have that and some late round and UDFA guys to compete. But targeting two RBs after signing Howard doesn’t add up to me.
It adds up, if you think our current RBs are trash, like I do.
DougieDoWrong says the ankle surgeries Tua had were to strengthen his ankles, if true we really have to worry about the hip going forward.
seems a bit spurious ya know? … like a weak cover … i personally have never heard of that, I mean why don’t lots of guys get that done? Maybe they do, but it seems we’d have heard of other guys getting that done. Surely he is not the first one ever. If so, what does that say? He was in such bad condition they tried an experimental surgery?
Either way, it’s scary for his career.
Okay Steve, you want to draft two RBs after we signed Howard and in what rounds are you thinking?
2/3 and 5th
Okay that’s fair. But unless there are injuries, the 3rd back isn’t going to see much playing time.
Every year our 3rd RB gets PT. KR/PR guy, bring him in on 3rd down to change the pace. You play the hot guy that’s matching up the best that week.
J.K. Dobbins Ohio St.
Joshua Kelley UCLA
You don’t think we can’t find a 3rd down scatback late in the draft? The problem with our 2019 RBs was none of them did anything above average.
I’m right there with Wyoming, or even later with our 2nd RB pick.
Well there you have it, we’re going to the playoffs this year.
Seven previous teams had five draft picks in the first two rounds and interesting all of them went to the playoffs that year.
I believe that is very doable.
Mando just put up his latest scenario. Or maybe it’s an old opinion and I just don’t read him enough but he gets Brown/Thomas at #5 then trades up from 18 to 8 to get whoever the Chargers left at QB. . What’s some thoughts on that scenario? I kinda like it because we still get a top DT/OT and a QB but why not just get our preferred QB and do that same trade for an OT at 8? Or possibly Brown? I prefer my option to fake GM Mando if we really wanted to do some early trading.
Mando’s idea sounds good, if you don’t think about it🤔
You take your QB at 5 forget about Brown and take OT Jones at 18, and keep your picks.
That works too.
I don’t know about Mando but the trade up from 18 has been a scenario I’ve talked about for a while now. I still believe the odds are greater that we trade up from 18 rather than trade up from 5. The position I think we would trade up for would be a OT. They may want to go get one of the OT they like more instead of settling for one at #18 or #26.
Peyton on ESPN now. I used to hate him early in his career, but after Marino gave him props I’ve kind of became a fan, and even more so after he retired. He’s very good on TV, in an Opi kind of way.
Tim Knight says:
April 19, 2020 at 7:24 pm
Okay that’s fair. But unless there are injuries, the 3rd back isn’t going to see much playing time.
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When is the last time an injury didn’t occur?
Tim, I would like to grab on of the top 4 in round 2 and then Antonio Gibson in 3rd. Gibson is so versatile. You get a big fast RB and a very good slot receiver and return man with him.
Yes, I’m liking his versatility.
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/04/texans-deshaun-watson-dolphins-t-shirt-dan-marino
This is likely a lot of nothing, but O’Brien has giant feet, a red nose, and rides in a little car with 20 others just like him. He may be willing to trade him, especially if Watson has decided he will not resign with the Texans. But you have to figure a bidding war would open up for him. And if you trade for him, you have to make him the highest paid QB in the league in 2021. Would anyone like this move for us?
Trade for him with the Texan’s own picks?
That would be the perfect capstone to O’Brien’s tenure. lmao
Exactly, his ass would be fired the next day. Lol.
I would be all in for Watson
Guys… sure RB is a need but why do we have to have 3 of significance? You’re already taking out the top 2. Do that at any position and you have to adapt. Add the best talent you can and stop worrying about being super deep. We’re not expected to to be winners this year either. We’re already underdogs in 14 of 16 games. LOL
We’ve got 14 friggin picks, if you draft a specialty RB in the 5th, 6th or 7th he’s got a real shot to stick, since we’re only 1 deep right now.
It’s not about being super deep it’s about adding talent and finding spots for those drafted. How hard is going to be for a 6th rd DE, LB, CB or OL to make the team? Very hard, that’s why you keep hearing we aren’t going to draft 14 players. We’re going to trade up and back to next year.
Guys that played last year that should make the opening day roster: WR-5, TE-2, OL-4, QB-2, RB-0, DL-4, LB-5, DB-6. That’s 28 + 10 FAs + 10 rookies = 48, so 5 more vets from last year to fight for spots.
I’m just pulling these position numbers out of my ass, but I’d think the total is likely close. I didn’t put punter and kicker and long snapper in there, because I’m not sure any are back, though not sure what the issue with Sanders is. Haack is a hack and the long snapper…
https://twitter.com/theflyingpig44/status/1252048379934277633?s=21
Omar now has us taking Willis with the 5th pick
What you talkin bout?
That would be funny as hell. All the bitching…
Kindly in the 6th is what is dumbfounding me
This was Omar’s mock earlier today:
It could happen, but Lol at “what I’m hearing”
I guess he thinks smoke screens don’t come his way. What an egotistical asshole.
Hey I figured out how to copy a tweet
These weird drafts that we keep see coming in (all of them) all have a chance to be reality, it just takes 1 trade or 1 Raiders or Seahawks reach to throw everything off.