The draft is finally here and D and I are going to break it down for you . We’re going to go over needs, and then give you players all over the draft at each position of need .
OT
Andrew Thomas – Georgia – 6’5 315 (36 1/8″ arms) – Top 10 D, Mike
Thomas is probably the most complete LT prospect in this draft. He has the size, the footwork and he also has lamp posts for arms at over 36 inches. He needs to add strength but I do caution not to go crazy over only putting up 21 reps at the combine, longer arms make it much more difficult to bench press. Thomas has played both tackle spots, he started at RT immediately as a Freshman and then in his Sophomore year he switched to LT and has been there since.
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Isaiah Wilson – Georgia – 6’5 350 (35 1/2″ arms) – RD 1- 2 – D
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Wilson projects better to be a RT in the NFL. He’s a power player with a huge frame but only has 2 years of college experience. Born in Brooklyn NY (shout out!), Wilson definitely needs work on his footwork but shows traits of good technique and footwork at times. Wilson is a strong run blocker and his protection improved as the year went on which leads one to believe he will continue to improve with additional work. If you like Becton because of his size, Wilson is potentially a better player who is also a man among boys.
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QB
Tua Tagovailoa – Alabama – 6’0 217 – #5 – D, Mike
OK, I’m just going to put this out there. Give Tua a clean bill of health and this guy is the #1 pick in the draft. All the love for Joe Burrow is somewhat warranted but Tua is probably the best QB in this draft. He improved every year he played, unlike the one year wonder Joe Burrow. I know Burrow had a record breaking season but it was just one great season. Nothing the kid did before 2019 made you think this kid even belonged in discussions of the best QB’s. He played 13 games and threw 16 TD’s and 5 INT’s in his Junior year. Yeah, you can say it all came together and he progressively got better but I don’t buy it. Tua was consistently a top QB and if not for the injuries there wouldn’t be a question. I’m not saying the injuries don’t scare me, they do because I don’t have access to medical records and doctors to analyze them but the Miami Dolphins do, and if at #5 or earlier Tua’s name is called for us, you’ll know that they were comfortable in what they saw and were told by those doctors.
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EDGE
K’Lavon Chaisson – LSU – 6’3 254 – #18 – D, Mike
I know this will probably come as a surprise but I think even with the free agency acquisitions of Shaq Lawson, Kyle Van Noy and Emmanuel Ogbah, I think we’re still down a true pass rush threat. I think Chaisson has the size and speed and good character we’ll be looking for. First of all, the kid has very little experience in football, he never played HS football. He’s also only 20 years old, and he has plenty of time to learn. In his only full season of play in the SEC he managed 6.5 sacks and 13.5 stops behind the line of scrimmage. I think this kid could end up being a top pass rusher with time and effort. He wore the #18 jersey at LSU which is given only to high character leaders. We may have to be patient for him turn into a star, it may be a couple of years, but he can give us some much needed juice in the pass rush early on and I’ll take it.
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Jonathan Greenard – Florida – 6’3 263 – RD 2 – D
Greenard is one of D’s guys. He likes his motor and especially his work ethic. Greenard works hard at his craft and his effort never fluctuates. He played his first 3 years at Louisville before transferring his Senior season to Florida. He enjoyed his best and most productive season at Florida registering double digit sacks (10) for the first time and adding 16 TFL as well as 3 FF’s and 1 INT. Not a very fast or quick he’s an intelligent defender. He did suffer a serious wrist injury which has hampered him since so doctors have to get a check on that.
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Jabari Zuniga – Florida – 6’3 264 – RD 4 – D
Zuniga is a big, strong pass rushing prospect. While Greenard put up the big sack numbers in 2019, when Greenard wasn’t there in 2018, Zuniga put up 6.5 sacks for the Gators. Injuries plagued his Senior season but still managed to register 3 sacks in just 3 starts, 5 games played. Zuniga battled a high ankle sprain all season and that’s what kept him from having a monster Senior campaign. Zuniga is powerful enough to move to the interior D-line in special pass rush packages. Once again, we’re talking position flexibility.
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RB
D’Andre Swift – Georgia – 5’8 212 – #18-26 – Mike
Swift is a compact, durable back much in the mold of Frank Gore. He’s a dual threat back, he can run and catch equally as well. He’d be the perfect complement to Jordan Howard who for the most part is just a straight ahead power back. Swift can get the yards on the ground or through the air which is a much needed element for our team. Swift doesn’t have an insane amount of mileage on his legs either with 440 total carries over 3 seasons. Let’s face it, you have to have at least 2 RB’s who can start in the NFL and getting Swift takes care of that.
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Clyde Edwards-Helaire – LSU – 5’7 207 – RD 2 – D
Edwards-Helaire is hands down D’s favorite RB in this draft class. What D likes most about Edwards-Helaire is the fire he plays with and the chip he has on his shoulder, and it’s relentless. While D feels Swift might have more talent, he likes his ability to shed tacklers with Barry Sanders like moves, “ankle-breakers” if you will. D thinks he’s a strong downhill one-cut runner but can take it to the outside where his agility and elusiveness really come into play.
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Ke’Shawn Vaughn – Vanderbilt – 5’10 214 – RD 3 – D
Ke’Shawn Vaughn is D’s choice in the later rounds if we somehow don’t address the position earlier. He’s got a fair amount of carries under his belt with 572, playing his first 2 years at Illinois and then transferring to Vanderbilt for 2 more seasons. Vaughn really flourished at Vandy with 2 consecutive 1000 yard seasons and in his Senior season he also added 28 receptions and an additional 270 yards receiving. Vaughn is a traditional downhill runner that doesn’t offer much in the way of juke or elusiveness, he just runs over people and would be a good late round value.
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OC/OG
Cesar Ruiz – Michigan – 6’3 307 – #26 or 39 – D, Mike
Cesar Ruiz would almost certainly be a day 1 starter for us in 2020. He’s played both center and guard and while we have Ted Karras on a 1YR contract, it’s a good bet that Ruiz is our center sooner than later. If Karras proves to be better early on, Ruiz can play for us at G, or at the very least provide very strong competition to either Deiter or the newly acquired Ereck Flowers. I want competition all the way down the line and Ruiz will push a few players who will try to stave him off. This makes everyone better, and lord knows we need everyone better on that OL.
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S
Kyle Dugger – Lenoir-Rhyne – 6’1 217 – #39 or 56 – Mike
I’m expecting the Dolphins to wait to get a safety until at least RD2 and possibly later. I think Kyle Dugger fits the type of player we’ll be looking for. Like Eric Rowe, he’s a very explosive athlete who runs well, jumps well and has the size to play at the LOS as well as play in coverage. Dugger is also a good return man, so that’s additional value that he brings to the table. I’m figuring McKinney and Delpit are possible first rounders and like I mentioned, I think we’ll be using those picks elsewhere, so I like Dugger for us. We do currently have Eric Rowe, Adrian Colbert, Clay Fejedelem and Steven Parker so we’re not desperate for a S, so that’s another reason why I don’t see us going 1st RD. Dugger is a good find in late RD 2 or RD 3.
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Jeremy Chinn – Southern Illinois – 6’3 221 – RD 3 – D
Chinn is D’s guy, although I honestly went back and forth between the two of them so for the most part we’re in agreement. Just to clarify, we’re not looking to take both of these players, it’s just an either/or situation. Chinn is a big safety prospect and just as fast and explosive as Dugger. I think Chinn may go earlier than Dugger so we may have a couple of more shots at Dugger, but time will tell. His size and demeanor will allow him to play near the LOS and he can cover well too. Both of these prospects have just average instincts and rely somewhat on their physical prowess. They both need to pay attention in film sessions and learn their trades to be more impactful on the NFL level.
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J.R. Reed – Georgia – 6’1 202 – RD 5 – D
Reed is almost the antithesis of the 2 other safeties listed, Chinn and Dugger. He’s not as big or as athletic but he comes complete with the instincts and football IQ. His father was WR Jake Reed and he’s also the nephew of defensive back Dale Carter so the bloodlines are strong in this one. Reed was a 3 year starter at Georgia missing his Freshman campaign with an injury out of High School. He covers bigger slot receivers and tight ends equally as well. He does however lack the explosiveness and acceleration to cover deep or smaller quicker receivers. For us he would be a mid to late round option if we decide to go in other directions earlier in the draft.
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DL
Marlon Davidson – Auburn – 6’3 303 – RD 3 – D
Davidson is a DT/DE hybrid prospect. He’s played both DT and DE. He had a very strong Senior season playing mostly DE and registered 6.5 sacks. Very strong at setting the edge in the run game and has the versatility to easily move inside. 4 year starter who improved incrementally each season. D thinks Davidson could be a better version of Godchaux
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Nick Coe – Auburn – 6’5 280 – RD 4 – D
Coe is a DE/DT (3-4) prospect who was a state wrestling champion at 285 pounds. In 2018 Coe achieved 7 sacks, mostly from the “buck” position. I think Coe can easily handle more weight to move to the inside but now looks more like a 5 tech player. D feels that Coe could be a much better player with more playing time and the right coaching.
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In addition to the players above, D has this to say . . .
As for OL, I’ll just save time by saying I want as many of the UGA OL as I can get. Thomas, who was mentioned by Mike, Isaiah Wilson, who has great technique and pretty good feet as well, Solomon Kindley, who is a plug and play on the left or right side, even Ben Cleveland who was not a primary starter for the Dawgs, is a quality backup with potential to start one day. If we walk away with 2 of that OL, we are going to be a lot better at those positions.
A few positions I don’t really feel we need to add more to this year, but I might pick up a later draft pick is CB, LB, TE and WR. As I said before I could see us adding WR in day 1 or 2, but only if we hit a value pickup. I don’t think we push to get a specific guy. Still its good to add talent when you can so here are some day 3 guys I like at those positions:
Shyheim Carter, Alabama, CB. He’s a good slot corner, and has some time at Safety as well, he might be our next McCain and probably fits the defense we are trying to run.
Devin Duvernay, Texas, WR. He would give us a RB in the slot kind of receiver, and he’s built kind of like a bowling ball back, I think he would give us a nice dynamic for our offense and he could handle some of the return duties to take some punishment off of Grant.
Many thanks to D for all his help and research and mostly superior first hand knowledge of all of these players. I can’t give D enough credit here. After each player listed you will see either D, Mike or both. This just indicates that those are our picks and many of them were solely researched or in there because of D and those would obviously be D’s picks. The way we tried to assemble this article was D let me handle the early stuff because of better familiarity for me and he dug deep into the picks after the 1st and 2nd RD.
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Great piece
I particularly like most of the prospects on this list
Those two tackles would be amazing and it’s possible
I don’t know why Thomas isn’t the #1 rated LT but he should be IMO
We might be able to nab him at 18 or a little earlier
And if that happens, it’s a better steal than Tunsil was
The other two OT prospects I like for us are Wirfs and Jones
So we have options
Thanks Piggy, D was great!
You are modest Mikey, i just puke data, you made it pretty and organized.
Also I agree on the two UF edge guys
Greenard and Zuniga are fun to watch and for whatever reason seem underrrated
I don’t know if we will add “edge” this draft
But either of those two guys might be there in the 2nd or 3rd and would be good players to add
Coe is such an interesting prospect
He’s huge and wasn’t used that way
Maybe he can give a little more pass rush than most guys inside
I think of him as developmental
Coe and Davidson both could play inside and out. I think Davidson is Brown light, very similar players, one is more explosive and the other users more power moves. Coe is a much more raw prospect but his potential is on part with round 1 and 2 players.
Good stuff, guys!
Appreciate it.
Thanks Tim
How about a draft like this.
5) Tua or Herbert and at this point i dont know which they like better, so either is fine. Once shouldbe there
13) Im going to use SF as a trade partner since its been reported they are open for trade on both firsts. We give up 56 and 173 We select Thomas (used Walterfootballs mock to determine if he would be there).
26) Isaiah Wilson
39) Clyde-Edwards Helaire
70) Marlon Davidson
141) Jabari Zuniga
153) J. R. Reed
154) Ben Cleveland
185) Devin Duvernay
227) Jordan Fuller
246) Shyheim Carter
251) Tyrie Cleveland
Are you selecting 3 OTs?
Cleveland is an OG
Oh I see …I thought that was Ezra’s nickname or something
If I had one Criticism, I would say this list is SEC heavy
And that’s no suprie when D is involved….lol
I think you missed players like Winfield for us at safety, who might be the best fit for us
But these are generally some of my favorites players
I think the odds of drafting at least one of them is pretty high bc we have so many picks in the first 3 rounds
I like our odds of landing the QB and 1 if not both of the two tackles
It’s very realistic we end up with the he GA bookends which will be crazy but the draft might shape up that way
Imagine if we end up with those two tackles, Swift at RB and an OG like Kindley
That’s basically the UG running game
We tried to say true to who we wanted and when they would be available. There are more prospects that each of us like but it was almost like a mock draft, we chose our players in accordance to with our other picks.
It works well – I think those guys are on our radar
The SEC has the most talent anyway
All my mo is are heavy on SEC, it just ends up that way bc of the talent level
Yeah i admit the bias, but i also try to be honest with it. I think the fact that the SEC has talent spread all though the draft its kinda easy to find those players, know they are quaklity and navigate your draft with them. Like if i went for Winfield, i would have had to give up Helaire which i wasnt willing to, but Reed was there as a pretty decent saftey net. I also bypassed a guy i really like in Chinn for the same reasons.
That’s why I don’t want to give up the 56…lol
If i can get Thomas at 13 by giving up 56 its good as gone.
Unfortunately losing the 56 is also what cost me Kindley
Holy smokes!
Great job Mike E and D !!
Thanks sir.
Thanks ER
Boooooo at tanking with Tua!
Nice player evaluation mike and D.
Thanks Rob
Thank man.
I absolutely hate Peter King’s Mock Draft.
Yeah im not a fan of that either. he looked like he tried really hard to make sure the Pats got Tua.
Mocks with trades are sorta of silly before they even start. But us trading up for Herbert and Tua falling….. man would that hurt.
I wouldn’t be surprised if those are the prospects we pick even without a trade.
Great job Mike E, but that’s expected. Turns out D is the man in the top of the page house too! 🙂
And love that you guys put in draft round projections.
Thanks Stanger – D was a tremendous part of this article, as you can see.
Thanks buddy.
We’ve discussed this and it makes sense.
I would say that he reads this blog, but we all know that his tiny little ego couldn’t take it. LOL
LOL, #13 would probably be where we target OT.
I mean everyone has been saying it
He’s actually late to the party
King moving up in the mock above is ridiculous. If we stayed pat at 5 wouldn’t he still be there? Especially with him dropping Tua to 13 where the Pats take him. SHM he is smarter than that.
Steve definitely doesn’t agree with Riddick. LOL
Why is that jumping from the top rope?
No idea was just listening to Riddick. Kiper’s head looks like it’s getting bigger. LOL
Tim, is McShay’s head getting littler?
LOL
Forget about Riddick, the talk about Herbert, Herbert, Herbert was interesting. I agree you don’t keep talking about a player like that, if you really want him.
Rich,
Getting back to you, I jumped on the Burrow wagon after the Texas game. Their D this year wasn’t like other years and I had never seen LSU win a real shoot out. I know Texas is bipolar but it was a very impressive game. I watch LSU every year so it was fun to finally see a real offense. Burrow has some weak areas but overall his vision, accuracy, and reading of pressure is top notch. I love the kid.
🙂
Great article guys! It’s sad that the best draft stuff I get is here instead of the big places. Love the guys mentioned and I really hope we get Tua at #5.
Thanks, i think there are better discussion here than there are among the three maybe 4 opinions that all the sprotwriters sahre around the US. more original thought here.
Thanks New Age
I’ve been saying for a couple weeks I thought there was a greater chance of us trading up from #18 than from #5 and that one of the top 4 OT would be the target. I’m sticking to it. We finally have the picks to go get guys we like instead of just settling.
Not that will happen, but makes sense. Run on OTs and we are exactly the team that might jump up for one.
Anyone here think any of players will be traded during the draft? You never know what can happen. I don’t discount it entirely and I know many of you don’t think Rosen has much value, but let’s say we do take a QB and a team is interested in Rosen and they’re willing to give us a 3rd or even a 4th RD pick, I think it’s very possible we make that trade, especially if there is a player available near that pick. BTW, it doesn’t have to solely be Rosen, it could be anyone
Could actually be X, especially if they’re higher on some of the scrappers we have than we think.
X is hard to part with with his contract as it is, unless we just basically threw him away fro nothing. I think Rosen could be a trade possibility if they draft a guy. They could keep both but it could also make him expendable. There is a little value in trading him still but it probably wouldnt be higher than a 3rd or more likely a 4th.
maybe we are in sync now Mikey because i had not read your first post when i posted this, just the reply and we said about the same deal even down to the pick compensation. LOL
Better to get something in return for him than nothing. I could see a scenario where there’s a player we like in say RD 3 after we pick and we may just dangle Rosen to a team who had interest in him and see if a deal could be done. I could be wrong and maybe Rosen really is a bigger part of future plans, but as soon as a QB is chosen early, that’s pretty much it.
No I don’t think any of our players will be traded. We don’t have much to trade, that was last year, and I don’t think they’re giving up on Rosen.
D- Gotcha! Be careful man, you don’t want to get too in sync with me. lol
Steve – So we draft a QB at 5, you think Rosen fits how? Competition/insurance against the QB we drafted? Possible, definitely possible.
Maybe not the 2nd we paid for him, but Rosen has value. Still the lingering “what if” but even more so that low contract as a #2. We could trade him, but then has value to us too. Fitzmagic will be gone.
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It is well known that I don’t think Rosen is the answer, since before he was drafted, but they gave up a 2nd and 5th for him and most of his contract has already been paid so he is cheep. He’s young. Keep him and develop him if possible. Unless someone comes knocking for him with a 2nd or better he will be competing with the rookie. Fitz will be 38 this season and plays with sand lot enthusiasm. He will miss some time.
My thing is not against Rosen or how we feel about him, its the unlikely chance he could hit his stride and convince us he is the long term solution worth picking up a 30+ mil 5th year option. This year will be 3 out of 4, we have to have the decision to pick up the 5th year in year 4, thats little to no time to establish he is the man. We could keep him, and we could play him, but what does that do to the development of the guy we are drafting to be our guy. I just dont see it. If 5 rolls around and they dont take a guy, then they haven’t given up on rose. Even drafting a QB at 18 or 26, just means its competition to be the guy, so depending on day 1 and how it goes down, day two is where the trade talks start with Rosen. If we took a guy at 5 i definitely think there will be talks.
he was traded. There is no 5th year option.
that’s not right. Sorry. There is a 5th year option, but it doesn’t force a 30 mil decision. He is a FA in 23
The contract comes with him, he still has a 5th year option. If he was cut and then we signed him, we wouldn’t get the 5th year option because that contract is gone. His contract is what it was and has a 5th year clause.
The value for Rosen is in the “untapped potential” which after 2 years in the NFL is questionable.
If you don’t want to keep him as your backup / competition for the QB taken this year, then talk him up in camp and highlight him in the preseason so you might get a higher pick. (Jimmy G style) He has to show something this off-season first though.
The value of Rosen is that he is cheap for a former prospect top 10 QB. Despite a fairly bad outing at the Cards and a somewhat no show for us, he still has what most evaluators was a NFL caliber talent. We could get a 3rd to 4th out of him in this draft, or he could come in and be third on our depth chart and lose value not playing. If he doesn’t play there is 0 chance he goes up in value as to what he is right now and if he plays and does poorly it will be worse. If he plays and does well is the only chance to see it go up, so IMO, best way to get the most is trade him during the draft process if your intention is he is done being an option as your starter.
I think the Rosen Rosen conundrum is pretty simple. If we’re planning on keeping 3 QBs then we keep Rosen, if not he’s gone. I can’t see him having much in the way of trade value after being jettisoned by two teams in two years, maybe a 6th at best.
Nah he has more “potential” value than that, im thinking more likely a 4th, for a QB desperate team maybe 3rd. I would actually trade him to the Pats and try to get a third as he was on their list the year he came out, or supposedly was. Only problem is the potential that comes back to bite us in the ass lol.
JMO of course, but I think that is wishful thinking. I can’t see any team giving a 3rd or 4th for Rosen after he was a top 10 pick that was jettisoned by two teams in two years (meaning neither of those teams felt he was worth the investment they paid after just 1 year).
To me this falls into the same category as ‘let’s trade all of our 7th rd picks for a 3rd’. 🙂
I’ll meet you half way and say I could see a 5th. lol
In rereading, I hope that didn’t come out as mean spirited, because it wasn’t intended that way at all.
Yup, D you are right and I was wrong.
Also because he is in the top 10, being 10, he is the average of the top 5 QB contracts, wich are all above 30mil
roger that. so, there is no value to the 5th year option. Many teams didn’t pick up the option in ’16 because of the way it is structured that way.
it is so fucked up that the US has 3x more cases than any other country. I know we are the third most populated country in the world, but damn.
We got hit real bad, but least we seem to be past the worst.
Largest economy in the world with lots of global travel and people living on top of each other in big cities.
Its the travel, we travel for work more than any other country. We are truly a globally involved country when it comes to business. We are ripe for spreading shit like this, especially when the symptoms dont even show to start out with.
Add the countries of Europe and you’ll find they had more. You can’t compare tiny European countries to the whole United States.
We don’t have to pick up the 5th year option for Rosen. We could take a 2 year (2020/21) look at him and depending on how he performs and what his status is, you negotiate a new deal if you want to keep him and he wants to remain in Miami. We’ll know a lot more about where he stands this year.
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We have tons of options with Rosen
I think right now we see how 2020 goes before we decide what to do with him
Exactly! If we trade or release him this year we have our answer about how the coaches felt about him. If he sticks even with a rookie QB, we know we’re still taking a longer look at him.
I think we need to shit or get off the pot now, but again, IF we get a guy at 5. I dont keep Rosen, i trade him if we take a guy at 5. I keep him and see what i have otherwise, and again, im sure thats what we can take by the selection at 5, is Rosen in our future. 5 is a no, anything else, maybe.
You also have to remember that offseason programs are not going to be as extensive this year as they usually are. So rookie QBs and even other positions probably won’t start anyway. There is no rush with this. This is likely Fitz’s last season at least with us. So there is nothing wrong with working with two young QBs to see what you have. We’re not looking to make a championship run this year. We’re looking to build a good young team.
Kong, im good, no worries. Still my thought on the 4th is that he was “jettisoned” because he didnt fit the new offense, ie in Arizona, they wanted Murray to play the new spread like system that Klingsbury was wanting to run. They got their guy and jettisoned Rosen because h ejust wasnt, thats why we did a 2nd because we thought he was for us, well we changed systems and maybe now he doesnt fit again. Its not that he sucked and got jettisoned because he was awful, he just hasnt fit when the teams he was with changed some schemes around.
I’m not sure that Rosen doesn’t fit in Gailey’s system. I don’t remember Gailey ever running a RPO or anything that requires the most mobile QB in the league.
Good points, you might be right. Hope so!
Cheers 😎
I dont see Rosen as a potential backup either, thats another reason i dont see the need to keep dragging it out. I dont think he wants to be a backup either. IMO they would be better cutting him loose or trading him and it would benefit him as well if that were to happen. So i guess ill just wait and see what happens at 5, maybe we all get shocked and find out they love the guy and dont need a QB in the first at all. Id rather have him over anyone but the top 3 QB’s anyways.
I don’t really see it either. I see him as insurance possibly to maybe get another shot, but that’s it.
We’re going to find out how much Rosen really loves football too. Can he handle being traded, benched, challenged with a rookie QB etc. Does he say this isn’t working and he’s a guy with other interests specifically the environment, or does he really want to prove he can play and keep at it like Kurt Warner did as a UDFA? That will be determined this season at some point with what kind of work he put in. He’s kind of a wild card.
Nice job Mike E and D.
Thanks Hulk
I hope to a tug of alola doesn’t turn out to be Johnny manziel
I am guessing that is autocorrect but that is damn funny
I think I have a damn speech impediment
He’s nothing like the idiot Manziel.
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/tua-tagovailoa-dolphins-nfl-draft-drew-brees-11587372222
I could only read the 1st paragraph, or was that it? I think you need to have a subscription
Standby
Basically they draw parallels to passing on Brees versus taking a risk and how Tua is boom or bust. Nothing new.
I’m using a device I have to speak into instead of typing, I am unable to type on this device.
It’s actually TONGUE-a-vai-lo-UH. See what happens when you say it that way
I’ve been thinking about bringing in an older coach in Gailey as OC and where will go from there in a couple of years when he probably retires again. TE coach George Godsey is probably the best candidate to take over from within to run the same concepts and language. He has a lot of experience coaching on offense and he even coached defense one year with Detroit in 2017. His whole life has been around football.
Click to access Godsey-George.pdf
I wouldn’t worry about Tua being another Manziel. Manziel was a head case. There is nothing in Tua’s background to suggest he is a head case
Agreed and I never thought Manziel was going to pan out even if he wasn’t a head case. He has a very small build to take the punishment IMO.
Physically he is not in the same league as Tua, especially arm strength
I totally agree with you. Manziel measured in at under 6-0 and 207. He’s built more like Julian Edelman than Tua. LOL
Johnny Manziel was/is an assclown. Tua has only be known for having very high character, nothing else.
People – Just a reminder . . .
FU Mock Draft is Wednesday Night 8PM
For those of you on West Coast – Let me know if that’s too early, maybe we can go 8:30 or 9PM
how is that going to work? people show up, get divvied up the teams and each draft their teams
we all make the pick within a time frame and the consensus takes the pick
For no particular reason I’m starting to feel like we’re going to take a chance on Tua because we have the draft capital to take that chance. If he doesn’t hold up it will not set us back for years. If we hit on him we might be looking at a Super Bowl in a few years.
He’s the most talented guy in the most important position in a year we have tons of capital. Honestly, I’d consider it negligence to pass unless they have the kind of inside position no one would ever have. He hits every QB mark you’d want in a time when it’s really, really hard for QBs to get hit hard and frequently. Tannehill got flags for people touching his helmet. Tua just has to learn how to slide.
A lot of people feel that way. You lost me a bit with your last point though. “Tannehill got flags for people touching his helmet. Tua just has to learn how to slide.”
I remember Tannehill got some nice penalties to extend drives on very weak calls. QBs get the calls so Tua should use the tools the modern NFL gives QBs.
Until Burrow is announced as the Bengals selection I believe we are trading up for him.
Ruggs has become my favorite player in this draft.
Stej may want to move Jamaal Adams with whispers that in division Miami could be a landing spot. He’d be awesome on our defense.
I would love Adams, but I can’t see us paying him what he wants plus what we are paying Jones and X already.
True that would be a pricey secondary, damn good one, but yeah
Happy Belated Birthday to Bookman.
The value for us to trade up to #3 is to swap our #5 and trade our #39. That’s it. Sure we’ll probably have to add something more but it’s nothing crazy. It all comes down to if another team is willing to go nuts and offer the farm. If not, Detroit moves down two spots and adds another 2nd #39 along with their #35. That’s an easy trade.
Burrow
Swift
Isaiah Wilson
Julian Okwara
Gravy the rest of the way
This is doable
Favorite draft so far.
A fifth and Rosen for a third!
I think rather than assigning teams for the mock
It would be better to cast votes
And the your vote should be based on what you think the team will do
Not what you want them to do
Otherwise the jests are taking a kicker
And no trades
Agreed
And no one can draft Haywood Jablomee
I’m fine with whatever we decide.
Funny, Piggy, you must have just watched that like I just did lol.
Yeah it was on
I just watched some of it including that song
Yes, we’ll do a consensus draft, everyone picks the player they think that team will take, and please do it honestly. What I’d like to do is before each pick we can put up the needs for that team and then we’ll take it from there and use our judgement
Jets needs: a punch in the face, to jump off a cliff and herpes
And a staff infection in the herpes blister
We have to do the draft honestly, we can’t give a team a player they don’t need so we can draft a player that we want and conversely we can’t make other teams take players we don’t want us to draft so we don’t get them. lol
so you are saying I cannot vote Tua 4 times in a row, skip one and then start voting Tua again?
Yeah, fuck trades, it gets ridiculous. Just go from 1-32 and maybe we even get RD 2 in too if it goes quickly enough
Yeah trades are arbitrary. Have fun and go from there. 🙂
Biadasz in the 3rd round!
59 hours 50 minutes and counting
It’s probably closer to 60 hours even before we pick Tua
I feel like a kid counting down the hours until Christmas Day. These last two+ days will probably feel like a week, lol.
The Flying Pig says:
April 20, 2020 at 10:20 pm
And no one can draft Haywood Jablomee
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Why not, they are amazing on the underneath routes.
How are y quate Johnny manziel to tua tagovailoa is his success in college football
A short little dude running around throwing touchdowns and playing great but that me not work in the NFL
Nothing to do with his off the field bullcrap
Tim Knight says:
April 20, 2020 at 6:35 pm
You also have to remember that offseason programs are not going to be as extensive this year as they usually are. So rookie QBs and even other positions probably won’t start anyway.
They keep saying that, but I’m not sold on this. Sure the OTAs and mini camp will be reduced to likely no on field participation, but there’s still going to be video conferencing, so the off field will still happen and with nothing to do while they sit at home except study the playbook…
Point is we don’t know how it’s going to affect the rookies and new players and we shouldn’t be sheeple and just take what the U75 media says as word, but we do know the D doesn’t have as much as the O to get acclimated, so I don’t see a reason top D players shouldn’t start.
Besides learning the playbook, they can also watch lots of game tape.
I think it will affect the QBs and that could be a reason Cincy may keep Dalton this year. All of the top QB needy teams have an experienced guy that could start the entire year and probably should. With us, Fitz having so much prior experience with Gailey will make it extremely hard for a new QB to break into the lineup. I’m really more worried about new OL since they get so little training normally and now almost none. I agree D players should be able to play with no problems.
To a tunga by Lola is not a proto typical size quarterback
Damn
Sounds like a bitch from the ramada inn
I like to need but they get a ton . How many do we have?
These are dumb. They put tags on the shoulders
The red and navy stripes on the shoulder pads are an eyesore
Rob – Russell Wilson and Drew Brees seem to be doing alright in the NFL, yeah?
baker mayfield is also tua size, he leaves a lot to be desired in regards as to where hewas picked
Wilson and brees have great infrastructure around them
They are very talented he maybe an exception to the rule, but how many quarterbacks are 6′ tall in this league.?
Not to mention left-handed
Chargers uni’s are solid. Powder blue are always nice, either with the white or gold pants, and the all white with the bolts are great too. The dark blue ones remind way too much of when the Stan Humphries led Chargers beat us in the playoffs. To be fair it was Natrone Means who killed us
I never have liked the chargers uniforms, they look to be feminine.
tua has marginal arm strength aswell
Where do you get that from? He has one of the best arms along with Eason and Love. Tua can spin it! He also has big hands which are important
He doesnt have a rifle like herbert
Tua Tagovailoa: Arm Strength
His biggest flaw is a physical limitation: average arm strength. There’s no question Tagovailoa has compensated for an arm that no one would confuse with the nation’s elite. … Tagovailoa possesses elite anticipation, ball placement, decision-making and comfort reading defender leverage.
I agree Tua has marginal arm strength. They keep telling us he has a big arm, it I don’t see it.
I don’t think Tua’s lack of arm strength hinders him at all, so it’s not a flaw. He’s figured out how to do what he needs to do. His quick throwing motion, ability to go through his progressions, and accuracy, make it appear like his arm is bigger than it is.
Who would you rather have Tua or Deshaun Watson?
A dr. from the NFL recently said, when you lose blood to the hip it’s bad, but Tua didn’t have that problem, and he’s not worried about the hip now, but at 35 it could become an issue.
I heard that only time will tell of the severity of his hip
tua does not ck all the boxes for the #5 overall pick IMO.
Peyton didn’t have the biggest arm either, they have similar throwing traits.
That doesn’t mean they won’t take him at 5.
Strengths
Fits the mold of NFL’s new dual-threat quarterbacks
Career touchdown-to-interception ratio of 8:1
Sudden ball handling on RPO plays
Active, agile feet offer quick setups and re-sets
Rare upper-body twitch allows for fast release
Willing to sit and scan from the pocket
Confident throwing to windows between hashes
Experienced reading route combinations from play-action
Throws short and intermediate with repeatable accuracy
Has arm talent to make all the throws
Eyes keep safeties out of one-on-one throws to deep sideline
Feathery soft bucket throws to the deep boundary
Play-action salesman on bootlegs and deep drops
Improvisational pocket escapes
Mobility to relocate launch point or take off to move the sticks
I agree with all of this, but that doesn’t mean he has a big arm.
You guys are smoking crack about average arm on Tua, way better than Herbert’s. Eason is the only one that has a better arm. Love’s might be on par with it, at best.Herbets’s not bad but its in the bottom part of the top 5.
LOL – That’s what I said!
Herbert has a canon, 2 a tongue of alola has a BB gun.
It’s not a bb gun, close to Russell Wilson’s.
Arm strength is measured by mph, Herbert’s was much faster.
Some of these comments you make D tend to move my judgement on your scouting skills toward you just put in a lot of time. I still think those skills are very good, just not the great skills I thought you had.
G. thanks, I think???
Looking at Miami situation, what do you do with josh Rosen. You just traded 1⁄2 round pick for him last year, do you abandon that strategy? Do you keep 1⁄3 quarterback on the roster? It just doesn’t add up to quarterback at #5.
I’m less worried now about Tua’s health, after the dr’s blood to hip comment and the surgery on his ankle done to strengthen it.
Tua at 5
Like I said a while back it’s not the injury recovery, it’s not the potential to reinjure that injury, it’s the play-style and if they can coach to be safe and not put himself at risk to extend a play. I mean I want him to squeeze everything out of a play, but cut out and live to play another play. That’s all he needs to learn.
Agree, and in general that’s what NFL teams generally do.
Yeah totally weak.
Rob, you are really hung up on that second. It’s over, that’s in the past. If they want to move forward with a QB at 5, that pick being “wasted” isn’t going to even enter their mind
Rosen has not had a chance, you put him on a team with no offensive line and no running game.
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It’s premature to judge Rosen, I’m sure that Greer and flores know rosens potential
which is why they will draft a QB in the first round two days from now
If we take him so bit, I just think we could do better at #5 by not taking a quarterback. We already have 2 quarterbacks on the roster.
One thats not in the future plans and one thats not really shown anything to us. The coaches might be different about him, so im not saying he cant be the guy, but the coaches know that and Grier knows what they think, so if we take a QB at 5, then you know they dont think so.
It’s almost like you guys think this is it, that this will be the last quarterbacks that you can draft, there’s always next year.
No one is saying that.
Your best chance at getting your QB is when you have a top pick, next year it may be the 32nd pick😉 making it difficult to get a top QB.
Where was Aaron rodgers picked? Where was Lamar Jackson picked? Where was tom Brady picked? That being said do you really need to pick a quarterback in the top 10 to have success with him?
I would argue that more quarterbacks that were successful we’re taking outside the top 10 then those taken inside the top 10
Its about timing too, we are in year 2 of the 5 years Flores has in his rebuild. We take a QB this year, get them ready, and we would be at year 3 before we get a chance to see if he is the guy. We wait an additional year we are at year 4 before we have a reacl chance to see and then it has to be good or Flores is gone and we start over. You have no guarantees of the future of even having a decent pick. What if Lawrence gets swayed by Sweeney to come back his senior year, what if he gets hurt worse than Tua, what if he just watches all the CTE stuff and says fuck it to pro ball, i mean a lot can happen between now and then, why put your eggs in that basket. Also we should be better than last year, why risk as Steve said being outside the chance to get him? Right now, that class doesn’t look very strong to me, weaker than this year, you take your shots while ya got them.
Steve, I’m not a scout, I’m just like the rest of you hacks. All I see is what I see when I watch tape of the guy, and I read the articles, if I had a chance to evaluate these players and person I might have a different opinion.
Did you miss the letter D in my comment? I’m closer to your bb gun strength, than powerful.
The scout comment wasn’t for you.
I must have,lol
I’m in the, take a defensive player at 5, after all flores is a defensive minded coach.
Tua plays small in the pocket and with his injury history, you better build one of the best OL in the league. …And that includes the IOL, not just the tackles.
If you’re hell bent on taking a quarterback, see who’s there at 18,.
I don’t think anyone here is, maybe Pig, but that’s it. Most think, if there’s one we like take him.
I’m ok with QB or D (non DT).
But why Rob, its not a rubbish pile and you are just as good with whatever piece of trash is left over, you get your guy, and if that takes trading up to 3 you ddo it, if it takes using 5, you do it. You dont just go, oh whichever of these bums is still around when i get to 18.
So are you saying Dan Marino was a bum?
Steve, im sorry to disappoint bro, i see a different guy in Tua, but if all it takes is a slightly different opinion on Tua arm strength to make you change your mind, you pretty much were there anyways lol.
What have you seen that makes you think he has a strong arm? His passes are rarely ever on a line, they always have a little bit of arc that screams my arm isn’t that strong.
When I played softball we used to warm up before the game, once warm we’d play burn it. The guy with the biggest arm threw it so hard your glove hand felt like it was going to fall off. Big MPH, catching my drift?
You guys are shopping quarterbacks at Macy’s, but you can get the same if not better at Wal-Mart.
Rob, its not a winning battle with you. Im just gonna let you live in your world of getting a perfect diamond from Walmart jewlery counter, ill live in my reality where sometimes you have to pay to get what ya want.
It’s really not a battle, I’m just being objective. I’m not sure about taking an injured quarterback with limited arm strength that was on a great team at #5. I maybe wrong.
There is a lot of intangibles, we already have 2 quarterbacks.
Everything in Walmart is made in China
ocalarob says:
April 21, 2020 at 12:42 pm
So are you saying Dan Marino was a bum?
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Dude its not like we had 5 and say ah fuck it, ill wait and see if he’s there at 27. We had 27 and were lucky he fell to us.
Yeah but he was still taking off the rubbish pile, as 26 other teams passed him up.
Each round you wait to take a top QB your odds get worse. Sure you can find them later, but at what risk? Are you going to have to draft 5 before you find one capable?
I disagree, most of the great quarterbacks we’re not drafted early, most of the bust go in the top 10.
This is my stance. Im not Pro Tua and not Pro Herbets, if anything im Pro Burrow but thats a pipe dream. I do think Tua and Herbert have things to work with, i think Tua is a better right now product. Tua’s play-style is dangerous, Herberts isnt, but either of them can get injured at any time and each of them will have to learn to play smart, play safe.
There are lots of QB’s in the league suceesing at or below Tua’s height, so thats of no concern for me. I do prefer the size and build of Herbert at QB but its not a plus for me. Tua’s arm-strength is not weak, see video posted above for your eyeball test. He has a pretty strong arm, like i said probably second best in the draft. Herbert is probably more like 4th, though i think Love and he are pretty even. That said, his isnt weak either and there isnt a ton of separation between he and Tua either. They can both make all the throws so its kinda moot anyways. ie splitting hairs.
To me there are 3 QB’s truly worthy of a 1st round grade, Burrow, Tua, and Herbert and i have them in that order. I dont think there is much chance any of the 3 make it to 18, so if you want to get your QB, take your shot at 5. If you feel Rosen is worthy of his chance, ie you know more than any of us do, then take a guy in the 2nd to compete, Eason or Love or maybe even Hurts, let them duke it out while Fitz starts. Its an option, but its not if you already know Rosen isnt the guy. If they know that, then they will go an should go QB at 5.
Again, you were arguing for an alternate viewpoint Rob, but thats what i was giving you. I dont have a dog in this fight, im going to be watching the draft with pretty much no expectations to how it happens, because i only care that they get us a quality player and yes QB could be that pick. You get what you want and you get them at the point you think you have to. I hope you are right and we can get someone like Brown at 5 and then turn around andget Herbert or Tua at 18, but i dont think that will be possible. I dont at all want it to happen like i see it, but thats how i see it happening.
You know what they say. If you have two QB’s you really don’t have one. Get over Rosen. The two wasted draft picks (2nd and 5th) are just that. Wasted.
I guess you’re not taking into account the lack of offense of lineman running game we had last year?
Rosen I think is looked at as a cheap backup with the tools to still make it, but at worst a future backup.
Look at it from the general managers perspective, if you draft him at #5 and he sucks you just lost your job. However if you draft a quarterback later on and he’s not that good it’s no big deal we’re still rebuilding. and he is easily replaced
Not when you job is to go out and get that guy. Play the long game on that and you will be out of a job.
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So if you’re a GM, you aren’t trying to win an SB, you’re just trying to keep your job? Playing it safe can cost you your job too.
John Elway and Jim Kelly were both taken before Dan Marino.
That was an incredible draft.
7 players from the first round of that draft (’83) are in the hall of fame
So was Tony eason, Todd blacklidge, and ken O’Brien.
I think Tua’s arm strength is fine, but I think he needs a clean pocket. When there are defenders around him, that’s when there are some questions about his accuracy and the power on his throws. Again not saying he won’t succeed, but you better have a damn good line to keep that pocket clean.
And before anyone talks about him scrambling if the pocket breaks down, that’s where he got into trouble with injuries in college. I believe the hip injury was a take down from behind outside the pocket. I think at least 1 of the ankle injuries was that scenario too. If he’s getting pulled down from behind in college, it will be a lot worse in the NFL where the defenders are bigger and faster as a whole. Like was mentioned above, he play-style is a concern.
The kid has a lot of talent and I like him, but these are things that have to be taken into account. I’m sure our GM and HC have thought of this and will make the decision they think is best for the Dolphins.
Bottom line, tuahas warts
Don’t we all
Ever played slots Rob? you can play with dimes and nickle and pennies, but you really never get very far, sure you never lose much but you never win much. You bump up to the dollar slots with the progressive bets and you hit and could win back everything lost plus some in that one pull.
Point is, you sometimes have to make a move that could cost ya to come out with a high reward, and the people that are ok with being ok with 8-8 can play it the way you are saying. Oh just take the best guy at the safest bet not to lose a bunch, but thats how you wind up 8-8. That also sounds a lot like a person who doesnt actually know what he wants, he just takes whats there.
If you miss, you pick yourself back up, dust yourself off and hit it again, who cares, nothing ventured nothing gained. Just like with the Rosen thing you think you have to make everything work out, and thats just not the NFL. Busts are part of playing the game, bad trades are part of the game, it happens.
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You must not have been to a casino lately, most people play the penny slots, and you can play $8 a spin, if you like🤔
And drink free all day! 🙂
I would never play slots, the house is favored.
ORob,
Rosen struggles with things that had nothing to do with the talent around him. You could see him struggling to call out the Mike and set protections. You could see him struggling with processing information quickly and getting the ball out on time. Now, I believe those are things he can work on and improve upon. But, there’s no guarantee he will improve. Plenty of players don’t. We may see a completely different player this season….or we may see a guy who just can’t do it.
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Tua doesn’t t have a cannon…but so what….most QBs don’t. The question is does he have enough arm to make the throws you want him to make…and he does because you saw him do it. He doesn’t have a great fastball, as Steve alluded to, but his arm is not gonna hold him back. As Rich said, and I mentioned months ago, you will need to have good interior linemen to allow him to play at his best….just like the Saints have done for Brees for years. No rookie QB is a sure thing. They all have warts and need some development. Tua is no different. Burrow is no different. Love is no different. They will all need to learn how to play in the pros. They will all be different QBs in 5 years. What’s new? Lol
Steve, i see more of an arc on the Herbert passes. Hell int he video i posted above the first pass is for a TD thats pretty damn straight lin for like 50+ yards in stride. You cant make that pass with a weak or average arm.
Rob – The Giants had the 2nd pick in 2018 and took Saquon Barkley. The next season they took Daniel Jones at 6. If Daniel Jones doesn’t work out Gettleman is under intense scrutiny because he chose to pass on QB’s in ’18 and selected a RB. There’s just as much pressure on a GM for selecting a QB as there is for NOT selecting one.
Browns GM just got fired passed on QB’s in previous years that right now are leading their teams to more wins a season than the browns had in his tenure.
I’m not sure whether Daniel Jones will work or not, but I have salute lee think it was a mistake for the giants to take him at #6, they could’ve traded back and gotten him a little later on.
While that may be true, he was under duress to get his QB and that pretty much forced his hand to get him at #6 because he didn’t take a QB in ’18. That’s what happens.
I think arm strength is overrated at a certain point. JaMarcus Russel could throw the ball out of the stadium. The NFL is littered with strong armed QB who sucked.
Jeff George
John Drunkenmiller
Err, Jim Drunkenmiller. Who’s drunk here? lol
There’s a lot of guys with cannons that aren’t very good in the pros
Even guys that have good careers like Joe Flacco, who probably has the strongest arm in the league even today, are rarely elite
steveccnv says:
April 21, 2020 at 1:19 pm
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You must not have been to a casino lately, most people play the penny slots, and you can play $8 a spin, if you like🤔
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8? holy fuck. There were 5 dollar slots i think when i last went, but they are too rich for my blood. Slots have been good to me, i play the dollar slots and i bet progressive and i have generally walked away a richer man than i went in with, but its like i was saying in my example, i might have lost a good bit and then i hit and more than make up for what i have lost.
I also play craps and have a decent strategy there, but because you arent in control of the rolls, it can disappear just about as fast as it appears.
Randy, I don’t think you can really assess Rosen by last year, look at the team he was on. He hasn’t had a great team around him or time with a coaching staff. In my opinion it’s hard to evaluate him due to the circumstances.
Look out derrick Henry made Ryan tannehill a top 10 quarterback. If you put josh Rosen on the Tennessee titans would he not be just as effective? I’m not so sure he woudnt
Who knows, thats the point. There is no indication for it or against it. There was a reason that the coaches didn’t put him back out there for better evaluation, but again, same deal, why is a question we dont know but they surely do, They dont need more time to evaluate, they know what they know and they know if they think its kinks he can work out or not.
ocalarob says:
April 21, 2020 at 1:20 pm
I would never play slots, the house is favored.
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House is always favored, thats why Casinos exist.
The slots are the casinos bread and butter, play blackjack.
Rob – Just to play devils advocate, how many years can you say “It wasn’t Rosen’s fault” before realizing, it’s Rosen’s fault. lol
He’s had 2 years where he didn’t get it done, although no question they were far less than ideal situations for him.
He didn’t play that Baden Arizona.
Say what???? Which part was good?
I had watch some of the drives Rosen had with that team, the whole team around him was horrible, he made some great place and 1 some games.
Mike E. says:
April 21, 2020 at 1:32 pm
Rock – Serious question – You don’t think Love at #18 is an equal risk to Tua #5?
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Mike, I have to say I don’t know if the risk is the same, but I do believe that the guys picked at the top of the round historically are NOT the better QB’s the next contract cycle.
I potentially “solved” our Oline issues. Love has a lot of upside. He has all the physical tools. He May be coached up.
I am jut prejudiced against Tua so I look for EVERY option not to draft him.
Jacob Eason’s father name is Tony
But it’s not that Tony Eason from the patriots
His father played college football at notre dame and coached him too
But he was a WR in college
Same name but Different Tony Eason
Keep Rosen, start Fitz Let Rosen and Love learn the new offensive system and compete.
I MAY have neglected the defense a little but I filled out the O line. LOL
5: R1P5 OT TRISTAN WIRFS IOWA
18: R1P18 QB JORDAN LOVE UTAH STATE
26: R1P26 OT JOSH JONES HOUSTON
39: R2P7 RB D’ANDRE SWIFT GEORGIA
56: R2P24 C LLOYD CUSHENBERRY LSU
70: R3P6 S KYLE DUGGER LENOIR-RHYNE
141: R4P35 G JON RUNYAN MICHIGAN
153: R5P7 TE COLBY PARKINSON STANFORD
154: R5P8 RB JOSHUA KELLEY UCLA
173: R5P27 DL LARRELL MURCHISON NC STATE
185: R6P6 G TREMAYNE ANCHRUM CLEMSON
227: R7P13 EDGE TREVON HILL MIAMI
246: R7P32 WR AARON PARKER RHODE ISLAND
251: R7P37 K RODRIGO BLANKENSHIP GEORGIA
That works
I love the spread of the positions. That’s 3 OL in the first 5.
Eason bye probably has the strongest arm in the draft
Maybe Herbert is stronger
But Eason couldn’t unseat Fromm who has the weakest arm in the draft
It’s usually things like decision making, pocket presence and things like that make a huge difference
Tua has a very strong arm
More importantly he is very accurate down field and the others don’t offer that
Rock – Serious question – You don’t think Love at #18 is an equal risk to Tua #5?
This is the question I keep asking myself every time people want to take some one like Herbert, Love or Eason
ORob,
Yes, if you know what you’re looking at, you can evaluate a QB despite the players around him. And, ya know what, it’s gonna happen anyway. Teams don’t wait around for guys to be able to play with other good players. That’s a fan thing. Coaches don’t give a shit about who you are playing with. They expect you to perform anyway.
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Fitz was able to have a pretty good year playing with those same players. Why? Because he is a veteran who knows where to go with the ball and can get the ball out on schedule. Rosen could not.
Fitz was better built to run that team, he short and he’s a rough dude whereas Rosen is lengthy and not that tough. But rose and has the stronger arm, and rosin is very accurate, he is a pocket passer.
Fits lead the team in rushing, that’s not the way you win in the NFL. You need a pocket passer.
Rosen Canossa scramble in pick up yd on the run but that it’s not his main deal. And you have to consider the fact that this front office has invested 1⁄2 round draft pick in him.
ocalarob says:
April 21, 2020 at 1:26 pm
I’m not sure whether Daniel Jones will work or not, but I have salute lee think it was a mistake for the giants to take him at #6, they could’ve traded back and gotten him a little later on.
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They had information that the Raiders and the Jets were both in talks with the Redskins for the Skins to trade up for Jones, possibly go as high as 4. So they kind of did wait to take him, they didnt bite on the trade they took him at 6, because Washington was coming up before 17
Rob – “Watched some drives”? That’s like seeing one press conference where Trump actually sounds compassionate and like he knows what he’s talking about. LOL
A highlight reel. Problem with highlight reels are especially in Rosen’s case is they took maybe 30-40 snaps where he was successful but left out the 750 other snaps where he fucked up or looked below average.
It’s not about the success or lack of success in the highlight real mike, it’s about his mechanics his ball flight and his accuracy.
I didn’t think Rosen was horrible in AZ either, he had some good drives and can move a team. Is he ever going to be elite? Maybe, but more likely not.
There’s no reason to get rid of him yet. I think he’s the type of QB that needs some help around him, the only ones that don’t, move like Lamar Jackson. Fitz was able to move around and run, because that’s his style of play.
Still amazed by how many points we scored 2nd half of season with no OL or running game.
ORob,
Come on now. Fitz is 6’ 2”, 228 pounds. He is not a small guy. Lol
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What he is is a savvy, smart vet who knows how to play. He sees things clearer and faster than Rosen could. It wasn’t Rosen’s teammates that we’re holding him back. And, just like with Tannehill, if I gotta have great players all around a QB to make him play well, then I don’t want him.
He looks short, like I said he’s tougher than Rosen when it comes to running the ball, and scrambling and picking up yd is not a bad thing, but when you have to do it regularly to get a 1st down instead of being back in the pocket and passing that is a problem. And that problem is most likely due to the lack of the running game and an offense of line.