So the schedule is out, and as per usghe, speculation and wild predictions ensue. I’ll be perfectly honest, I have no idea what in the heck to expect from this season, and not just from a Dolphins perspective. Rookies are learning from video chats rather than person to person instruction. As far as that’s concerned, I believe these kids should be fine in that regard, this is how they live their lives, this will not be shocking or difficult for them, they will learn just fine this way. The difficult part will be not physically practicing, because camps won’t open until it’s deemed safe enough for ALL of the 32 teams to be able to open, which is completely fair. This is a league built on parity after all.
This year one of the schedule highlights is playing against the NFC West. That is a rough division, headlined by the SB runner-ups, the SF 49ers. Every team in that division brings a different but similar challenge. The 49ers and Rams are built very much alike, strong defense, and run the ball effectively, don’t ask to much from your QB. The Seahawks have Russell Wilson and despite what plan they have, they always seem to lean on Wilson too much, even with their multi-headed RB attack, which by the way is again similar to the 49ers. The Arizona Cardinals bring a unique challenge with QB Kyler Murray, who is a true dual threat QB. The Cardinals acquired All Pro WR DeAndre Hopkins from the Texans and in the draft, snagged LB Isaiah Simmons, two players who should have a huge impact on their team.
Of course we play our division twice each, and while the Patriots look ready to fall off, you can never count out Bill Belichick, even without Tom Brady. Who knows, maybe Stidham is ready to run that offense more effectively than the nearly 43 YO Brady. The Jets and Bills are both improving and will be looked at to challenge for the AFC East crown. Will we be there with them or they will they be chasing us, or will we once again fail to even hit the .500 mark? I love what we accomplished in free agency with Van Noy, Ogbah, Lawson, Roberts, and our entire draft haul, which was quite good, that’s a whole lot of new pieces moving together. We did what we had to do to fill spots but unfortunately COVID-19 is going to hamper us because we do have so many new people, far more than any other team in our division and likely the entire NFL. We just Chip Foose’d our roster, Overhauled it! With a minimal amount of practice that our players will probably have, that’s unfortunately a huge disadvantage compared to a team that possibly added 3-4 new starters. We could have potentially 10 new starters (Jackson, Flowers, Karras, Hunt, Howard, Lawson, Van Noy, Ogbah, Jones, Igbinoghene, Ferguson), plus add in a big mix of rotation guys that are new as well. If you compare that to a team that has the same moving parts except for a very small few, you have to give them a leg up at least early on in the season due to familiarity.
All I know is, whatever form and whatever length, whether it’s a shortened 14 game season or a full 16 game season, I have never looked forward to watching this team as much as I do this season. I think there might be some growing pains, but I expect a steady improvement as the season moves on. It’s going to be exciting folks, whether Tua starts or not. You all know I don’t think we should rush Tua in, but whatever they decide I’m in 100%. I’m just being cautious, and we have a good situation with Fitzpatrick to be cautious. On the other hand, if there’s not one medical reason to keep Tua off the field and he shows he’s better than Fitz for our team from the get-go, than I’m down! No matter what, there’s a whole lotta guys I’m aching to see in action this season!
GO DOLPHINS!!
#staythecourse
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Cool interview 😎👍
I think this matches my thoughts on the “new’ Rooney Rule changes
What about the teams that already have black Head Coaches and/or GM’s? Do you retroactively reward them or maybe give them double the reward because they did it w/o any incentive?
The only incentive should be the “Best” candidate for your team!
I don’t care if it’s a Planet destroying alien, or a “cave” dwelling Hamster!
I know someone who knows both 🐽
I was wondering about that too Mike.
Belicheat will hire a yes man just to get the compensation.
I think the owners are trying to pull something over on the players. Make them feel like they’re doing something for them, without actually doing anything.
The NFL is surely a Buddy Buddy system, you give opportunities to those you’ve worked with and feel comfortable with.
Try getting a job in Chinatown being non Asian, or in any garment district and not being of the origin the owner is. Its human nature for sure.
I think it can be an advantage to hire a minority coach, as we have, but he needs to be a leader with a vision. I think Flores fits that.
I don’t think most fans really care who the coach or GM is or where he’s from, as long as he gets the job done.
Counting QB we have the trio of minority people. None of which are in Miami, because of some rule.
The rule doesn’t force the hire, so any minority hire, is legit the person they felt was best, which proves the point that the rule doesn’t change much. The same people who would have excluded a minority from the hiring process, would still exclude them from the hire, no matter if they got the interview or not, the ones that wouldn’t would hire them regardless as well, so really does nothing other than have a rule in place so discrimination cannot be called. Thats why i think its just a hinderance to progress, let shit be seen for what it is, let us know that if there wasnt a rule, would they still get the same opportunities lets not have it so a guy like Flores, who was deserving of the chance, and got ity on merit, gets confused as a “Rooney Rule” guy, because he isnt, he is just a good coach who worked hard and got his opportunity.
I think things like Rooney rule are there for good intentions, but there are ways around everything so it may or may not work. My problem with it is it becomes a stagnation to progress after a while. Its obligation not maturation, but if encouraged to evolve naturally, my faith is in society to grow as people so this is no longer needed or an issue, and possibly thats putting too much faith on others to step outside themselves and grow, but the alternative is no growth, and no real change, so i dunno, definitely a rock and hard place situation.
Ill be honest too, im not a minority, but id fucking be pissed if my reason for being allowed to interview was because of some fucking rooney rule. Id rather fight the system of racism and shine a big ole spotlight on injustice than i would quietly take my reserved spot in the line because some racist prick had to make one for me.
One of the rules they discussed this morning on NFL radio makes sense to me. You will have interview at least 2 minority candidates outside of your organization, which prevents you from just going through the formality with guys already on your staff that you didn’t have any intentions of hiring just to satisfy the rule.
But even then, they can still just grab a couple guys to fulfill the rule. I just think its inherently bad to force a rule based on race. Id rather watch the fucking Patriots keep bringing in whitey after whitey and show what that organization is, than i would have a rule that lets them hide behind a couple of obligatory interviews.
But that will just force the teams to interview two guys outside the organization that they have no intentions of hiring just to satisfy the rule.
You see it every year. One of these HC get’s fired by one team and they are snatched up immediately by another team. Forcing the teams to interview candidates that they aren’t truly considering is a farce just like the current rule is.
Its is a farce, designed to make them look like they are discriminating, like i said, remove the rule and let them look like what they are.
You want the interview to be genuine, with genuine interest. I can promise you, if you force the interviews, those people wouldn’t have gotten hired anyways, and if you dont force it, people still get the interviews despite race. Its not like because they were force to interview a couple of different people there was an ah ha moment and they were like, OMG this black guy does seem like a good candidate, i would have never known! Thanks Rooney rule!
D, Rock – You know what, it does get some guys exposure that might not have gotten, they get good interview experience, it’s not really a bad thing. Some guys can really be impressive when you meet them face to face and they might have ideas and concepts that really make you want them.
Mike im sure you have done interviews before. You know the process starts by going over some papers that represent people and getting together a list of those you want to bring in based upon whatever criteria. Now lets say your a racist, and you have pulled all of those that seem like minorities out to the no way in hell pile. You got your list ready, but you know, those damned guys in HR will be on your ass if you dont grab two out of that “no way in hell” pile and insert them into your interviews. Now being that you excluded them by race, whats your chance that interview completely changes your mind and you hire that person. My point is, the one that would exclude based on race, ios one that would not hire based on race, so the rule does nothing but cover for those organizations who would do something like that. The NFL is the HR department who have determined that to save face, they must do those two interviews, but it doesnt change the hiring practices, it doesn’t level the playing field.
Who are these owners that you are saying are racist?
Im not saying that any of them are racist, i dont know them, im saying if they do racist things, then they are racists, ie the subject of the Rooney rule, if their decision to interview a person is based on skin color then they are racist.
Or to satisfy a rule.
The biggest changes ever made in the war on race, were letting the ugly show bright and loud. Its much better to see evil than to see those hiding their evil in the shadows. Once can be speculated as racist, and one just flat out is and when exposed, generally people rally around, “hey this isnt right” its happened all through history that way. I say let evil be handled by being seen for what it is and the need for change. If the Pats wanna hire cracker after cracker then let people who dont like saltines take their support elsewhere, watch their ticket sales drop, watch their support drop, watch the rest of the NFL call them out. To me, thats a lot better than letting them skate by by just throwing a couple of minorities in to the interview pool so they can continue along, business as usual.
Why do you say the cheats are racists?
Just using them as an example, but i think they are the closest thing to a speculation that can be made, its kinda a theme to go along with their very white roster lol.
steveccnv says:
May 19, 2020 at 11:18 am
Or to satisfy a rule.
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If they are doing it to just satisfy a rule and there was no consideration for a minority candidate prior to doing it to satisfy a rule, that is racist
So you’ve had your eye on a coach for a long time, then he gets fired and you want to hire him, you go thru the process of interviewing a minority candidate, then hire your guy. How does that make you a racist?
D – I hear what you’re saying, and for people like that, no rule is going to fix that unless it demands that they hire x amount of minorities. I would hope that would be an outlier and not the norm.
I expect it is, thats what im saying, so if its the outlier, then let the outlier be seen for what the rest of the league is not.
I gotcha. I think they’re obviously just over extending to try to give minorities opportunities, right or wrong.
If its an outlier, the rule isnt needed because it doesnt matter, if it not an outlier, the rule shouldnt be there because its not effective, so literally on both side of the argument, the rule is just there, its not really doing anything.
Steve – It’s not always about getting the job immediately. I agree that when a team has a coach in mind that’s the guy that they’re going to hire, but if you interview someone you really like, you may like them enough to consider them if the guy you plan on hiring doesn’t work out. It definitely helps like that. Puts people out there. Hey, it’s better than a college giving a scholarship to a minority and place in their school just to meet a quota.
You’re preaching to the choir, I get all that, my point was by not taking all candidates seriously, when your mind was already made up doesn’t make you a racist.
Thats not what i said though, not even close. Thats where im confused as hell to why you are saying im calling them racists, i just sad the Rooney Rule isn’t as effective at leveling the playing field as leaving the racist to expose themselves. Im not saying any one team is racist, in fact i think the term gets thrown around a bit cavalier …looking at you kong.
Didn’t you write this?
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May 19, 2020 at 11:23 am
steveccnv says:
May 19, 2020 at 11:18 am
Or to satisfy a rule.
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If they are doing it to just satisfy a rule and there was no consideration for a minority candidate prior to doing it to satisfy a rule, that is racist
This is one of the times i think meanings and etc get twisted around and the outcome is an endless argument thats not taken correctly.
Last attempt to clarify. A team choosing a coach or players that they want, where race is not part of the consideration, is not racist, so if the scenario is they did or did not interview a minority, because they had already settled on a coach of preference, and interviews are a formality, then its not racist, i also think having to do an interview when you already have your guy picked out, is pretty much a waste of time.
Thats said, if upon entering an process to find a new coach, not considering a candidate because of race, or hell even interviewing on the sole basis of race of any kinda should be considered racist. So your scenario, was not the scenario i purposed. We arent talking about the same things and yes, both scenarios exist, just not at the same time.
Ok, but that’s not what you wrote, my example followed the parameters you laid out.
I did point out the Patriots, which might have been wrong, but im sure they deserve it somehow.
Also, ill take it one point further, if all i interviewed was minority candidates, that potentially is racist as well, but also could not be. Whats weird is, if Dallas picked McCarthy and didn’t interview any minorities they would be in violation of the rule, but if we interviewed only Flores and hired him we wouldn’t, those are some of the inadequacies of racial based rules and it also points out that while both can be considered hiring the man of choice, regardless of race, one will be viewed differently than the other as well.
Moot point now?
Somewhere Steven Ross is shaking a fist at the sky and screaming DAMN YOU!
I’d have to say that any rule that helped, or harmed because of skin color is by definition racist!
My belief is the Rooney Rule did nothing, so i guess i think its just an ugly reminder that people dont think they can be fair to one another without something forcing it.
I think it mostly did nothing, but some good for some new hires.
The point of the Rooney Rule was in response to people bitching about the inequality of minority hires, so to slow down this train, they put the rule in. It didn’t do much, but buy time, until they have to do something else. I think this draft compensation part is more of the same. The owners will act like they care, and say they’ll do something, but really do nothing.
Apparently Michael Thomas is one of those diva wide outs, but DeVante perhaps not.
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All it took to set Michael Thomas off was Parker responding to a harmless Instagram poll question. The question, posed by NFL on Fox, asked fans to decide what was harder: Making a catch against Stephon Gilmore or breaking up a pass while guarding Michael Thomas. Parker answered “A.” Thomas got mad about it…..
Thomas decided to rip Parker. Thomas said he “lapped” Parker, and criticized Parker for not putting up big numbers until last season. Thomas also told Parker he couldn’t “get a seat at the table.”
Parker mostly responded with different variations of “why are you so mad about this?” He’s got a point, too. Parker’s response wasn’t meant to demean Thomas’ ability. It was meant to give credit to Gilmore. Thomas didn’t see it that way.
Sounds more like insecurity than Diva lol. I woulda responded and be like, hold up bro, your insecurities are showing, might wanna tuck that back in.
Parker is a better man than me lol
Parker showed a lot of maturity there…. which is oddly not what he showed his first couple years.
“Quit crying Bra!”
I know you guys are familiar with the saying “slow boat from China” Well it has taken on a whole new meaning for me. Not in any way that is actually important, but more as an almost amusing side story.
Back in March some of the local store started requiring you to where masks or you couldn’t come in and I didn’t have a mask and couldn’t find any locally (Like everyone else). So I went in line and searched around and I found a reusable neoprene sports mask with N95 filter replacements and the valves that keep your glasses from fogging up for $29 including 5 replacement N95 filters.
This was the 5th or so place I had checked before getting to a message that said they were back ordered or sold out. This one said IN STOCK. I was like cool, it is a N95 mask so it will protect me from you not just your from me, has the valves to keep my glasses from fogging and is pretty cool looking along with being adjustable to fit in different ways. SOLD! Placed the order. 10 minutes later I get an e-mail. RE: Your order is on it’s way!
I’m like hot damn! These are some efficient people. I’ll have this thing this week!
Click here to track package: (it’s been like ten minutes but I click it anyway)
It tells me a logistics order has been placed and your package will ship within 24 hours. Click here for details.
Hangzhou City, China…….WHAT!? This was March 20th or so. It has gone through 5 cities, the last listed is Shanghai. Loaded on a boat, in a container on it’s way to San Diego USPS receiving..
tomorrow will be two months LOL If I knew the damn thing was coming from CHINA I would not have ordered it!
Not sure where they came from, but the masks my wife ordered up front too 6 or 7 weeks to get here. We were lucky some of our friends gave us a couple and the building another four. Lots of masks now though.
I ordered some of the masks off amazon and i have been waiting a little while as well. just like yours, more made fro sports, for pollen and dust filtration, meant for nature trail bikers specifically. Has the vents like your talking abotu as well. Just checked my order, ordered may 11th, shipped may 12, arriving……..june 30th-july 22nd….wtf also from China, for fucks sake i should have checked as well.
I mean a company called Ultra Trac doesnt sound like a Chinese company.
stangerx says:
May 19, 2020 at 4:40 pm
Parker showed a lot of maturity there…. which is oddly not what he showed his first couple years.
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I think that was his first time living on his own, He never seemed like the partying type he always seemed like a mommas boy and extremely sheltered one.
Could not agree with you more on that. He didn’t seem like a bad kid, just a kid. The desire we were looking for seemed to come when the contract was coming. And “paid” off.
Masks and shipping – I too ordered a couple that are still in transit. It will be almost 3 months when they arrive. In the meantime I’ve order and received masks twice from a place that makes them in California. Copper and silver nitrate infused, kills 99% of microbes, plus you can insert an N95 filter. Ouragami.org.
Also yesterday I got a quote from the people we order uniforms from $6.50 masks with N95 pockets and company logo. Ordered 600 so our employees can have two each.
Glad to hear. Think Preston Williams and Devante would be a great outside combo. And both have the height. Gesecki too. And not just talking Red Zone with those guys.
I would like that combo, sprinkled with some Horns, Wilson, and Grant.
And Gesicki
If the competition with Tua can elevate Fitz’s game (which would mean being consistent), then all the better for us, even if that means Tua sitting for part, most, or all of the year and learning behind Fitz.
I’m not sure if Fitz is capable of that consistency throughout a whole year though. He’s been in the league for a long time and consistency is the reason he hasn’t stuck with anyone.
Whichever way it goes down, it’s great to have an exciting QB room again. I really hope we don’t lose the 2020 season. I can’t wait to see how this team looks on the field!
Fitz also has a habit of having an off 2nd season with whatever team he’s with.
Phelon — caught that the Conch Republic is opening up on immigration. Mean you are going to spend more time at The Smallest Bar in the world?
Glad to see those ridiculous Rooney rule incentives didn’t pass.
Phelon You going to be in Key West around June 18th?
I’m actually thinking about taking a trip to key west Sometime around then
Depending on what is going on in nyc
Talked to the Captain today and it looks like a go for fishing by then!
They can’t fish now?
It’s thought fla was pretty much open?
I was talking Charters. I do think they have opened now.
Watching NFL live
The Brady fest is still on. I am on record being a “it’s Bill not Tom” all this time, but now that Tom is in Tampa, I kind of hope i was wrong. LOL
Belichick is a master game planner. He looks at what does it take for us to win the game this week. Not the system! If he has to change it for that week and opponent he does. That’s what I hope Flores got from him. That’s where the multiple comes in. If that means run the ball and play zone more one week, or spread it out in the pass game and play man the next, that’s what he does. It’s opponent based, not a strict system. He did that as DC of the Giants in the 80’s. Parcells has said he was great at that.
Stanger – I generally stay away from Duval, but the Smallest bar works.
Wyo – There’s a chance.
Well I’l be in the Keys that weekend!
If I figure out when I am going, I’ll let you know.
Stanger, Parker was never an immature jerk or anything. He couldn’t stay healthy but was never criticized about his work ethic. He struggled with nagging injuries and had to learn how to take care of his body better. I think it was also some misfortune.
+10000000000
We talked about the skewed numbers on covid19 a while back. Colorado has now adjusted their numbers, other states may follow.
In PA more people over 100 have died from it, than people under 45.
NY, NJ, PA, MI these states are locking down people that aren’t vulnerable, yet let the elderly die in long care facilities. They’ve also admitted positive people into them, putting the most vulnerable at risk.
I hope Parker is a monster again this year because he has IT!
He will be a monster again this year… I all but guarantee as much, and for the reasons you stated above. And now that he’s gotten a taste of what it’s like to be cheered for, he won’t disappoint.
I think Williams was the go to target last year, until he got hurt, then Parker took off. I expect it to be similar this year, except Parker being Batman, but I don’t really care, because we should again have a 2-headed unrecoverable monster out there.
We need group stats, not 1 or 2 guys. Same at RB. When you have group stats and someone is banged up, the group collectively picks up the slack, and you don’t have to pay a Julio Jones 20M.
I’d like to see less drops and better target to catch ratios.
What’s happenin MF?
I wasn’t talking about stats. Just a guy who made a lot of big plays.
Also… it really didn’t go down like that. Parker was good out of the gate. The offense was not. That took time.
Preston Williams
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WillPr01/gamelog/2019/
DeVante Parker
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/ParkDe01/gamelog/2019/
It really did go down like that, and the link to the stats prove it.
Games 1-8 while Preston was playing, here’s Parkers stats:
4 TDs 28 rec 400 yards on 52 targets.
Games 9-16
5, 802, 44, 76
Which one if these most meaningful stats shows he was better with Williams?
When you talk about him being a monster, for a WR, that refers to stats, unless your version of a monster year refers to his blocking 🤔
Logan Ryan was the most targeted CB last year in the NFL. Sure he had 4 ints, but when you get picked on…just say no. We don’t need the opposite of Byron Jones.
One is great in coverage, doesn’t get many balls thrown his way, and doesn’t get many ints, the other sucks in coverage…
Who would you rather have Michael Thomas of the saints or Devante Parker?
Thomas may be the best WR of all time, and has a team friendly contract, but what does the question have to do with their fued or anything else of relevance to us?
It’s not even a feud, Thomas is obviously sensitive. Parker abused Gilmore last game of the year and still gave him props. I guess he had to say covering Thomas is tougher even though he’s a WR. LOL
Is this a serious question?
The thing is thomas has a hall of fame qb and an established winning team. A great run game.
Parker thrived on one of the worst teams from a talent standpoint in the league.
How good would thomas have been on miami last year?
He looks to me as JAG on a great team
Thomas is not JAG. LOL
Parker honestly if he played like he is capable of. When healthy, i think he is the better of the two receivers. Thomas though has obviously been more productive, but he has had a HOF QB and a more complete team around him, and obviously has been healthier.
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I think Thomas is the G.O.A.T. WR, how can Parker be in the same area code?
Steve, I said the offense was not good out of the gate. Once they got more acclimated Parker feasted. If Williams didn’t go down they could have been even better with the both of them. But let’s not act like Williams was tearing it up before he went down because he wasn’t. He was a nice surprise as a UDFA. He was part of the group stats that you mentioned. Parker happened to get really hot down the stretch. It wasn’t one over the other. They were both playing well but it took awhile for the entire offense to get going. We scored 20+ (21) points once in our first 7 games. We scored 20+ points in 8 of our last 9.
Fair enough, I said Parker was better after Williams went down, you said he was better after the O got acclimated. Potato Po tat o 😀
Okay, they were both pretty even at the same time. Like I said, if Williams didn’t go down it could have been more fun. 😉
I need to buy a commuter car. Carmax has pretty good prices, but Vroom’s are better. The problem is, not sure I want to buy off of pictures.
Anyone hear anything good or bad about Vroom?
Excuse me for asking stev
D says:
May 20, 2020 at 11:50 am
Parker honestly if he played like he is capable of. When healthy, i think he is the better of the two receivers. Thomas though has obviously been more productive, but he has had a HOF QB and a more complete team around him, and obviously has been healthier.
I think something int he world must have happened, im on the same side as ORob lol.
steveccnv says:
May 20, 2020 at 9:18 am
Logan Ryan was the most targeted CB last year in the NFL. Sure he had 4 ints, but when you get picked on…just say no. We don’t need the opposite of Byron Jones.
One is great in coverage, doesn’t get many balls thrown his way, and doesn’t get many ints, the other sucks in coverage…
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There is a caveat to that statement though, he was opposite Stephon Gilmore, so even if Ryan’s stats might be inflated because of targets, you have to consider no one wanted to throw to the other side.
Logan played for the Titans.
You wanna try that again Rosanne😉
I thought he was a patriot. my bad
I mean as of right now, Richard Sherman could have been opposite Gilmore and he would have the highest number of targets his way just simply due to the fact that Gilmore is playing fucking incredible.
Nobody knows what Thomas would have done if he was with Miami. Why are we even debating this? Because of the goofy social media thing where Thomas got butt hurt? LOL
The answer is they are both talented WRs. If you did a poll I’m sure most would select Thomas. Parker has a chance to change that in 2020.
They both are similar in size and weight . parker seems to have longer arms and looks to be the better possession rec
Here’s some food for thought. Remember all the tank for Tua talk before the season even started? Nobody knows how things will work out. So now after we failed tanking for Tua because we won too many games (5), we landed him anyway at #5 because Burrow became the #1 pick.
So once again projections are just that. If Tua is healthy and ready to go who’s to say he doesn’t win the starting job from the get go? We can always fall back on Fitz if he struggles.
Back to the debate we had a few weeks ago after we knew we drafted Tua. If he’s good to go, he should be available to play. If that’s the case, is he not allowed to win the job?
Nobody knows if Tua will even play in 2020. “Why are we even debating this”?
Nobody knows he doesn’t start week one. Try to keep up. LOL
Poof….right over your head
Parker ran a 4.45.
Thomas a 4.5
Thomas has been great his entire career. Before last season they didn’t belong in the same sentence. Of course there are always outside forces that dictate how your career can be such as the talent around you, QB, RB, OL, other WR’s. Thomas is in a great situation with a QB that loves to feed him. Parker got his first taste of that last season and he was more than up to the task.
steveccnv says:
May 20, 2020 at 12:00 pm
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I think Thomas is the G.O.A.T. WR, how can Parker be in the same area code?
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Well to start off, i dont think Thomas is that great, i think he is good, and probably top of the good scale, but i dont think he is anywhere as close to being the GOAT. He also has had a QB whose ball placement skills are pinpoint perfect and his passes are always nice tight spirals making them extremely easy to catch. Parker hasnt had that luxury, or anything near it and he has been sidelined with injuries. Parker playing at his best and Thomas at his best is a very close comparison, both are good with contested catches, but Parker is better. Parker has more straight line speed making him better on deep routes, Parker and Thomas are equal in route running. I think the best of Parker and the best of Thomas are pretty comparable, and Parker has slight advantages in a couple of areas to give him the edge. Thomas, hands down, has proven his, while we have only seen glimpses, and maybe a full year of Parker in his stride, but i think if you look at best compared to best, its splitting hairs with Parker as the better potential.
Ryan was a patriot at once wasnt he, or did i imagine that whole thing?
Well he was opposite Malcolm Butler so its not Stephon but its a similar situation, you game plan away from Butler. My point was just to offer that there might have been other reason for the number of targets, though i do agree seeing a lot of targets usually isnt a good thing coverage wise.
Tim – Stop trying to push the gimp into the starting spot! 😛
Send in the GIMP!
Steve, Thomas has a long way to go to be the G.O.A.T. Let’s start with Jerry Rice. LOL
Mark Clayton had twice as many TDs in one season in 1984 with a HOF QB, than Thomas ever has with a HOF QB in the passing era starting in 2016. A career 11.7 YPCA after 4 years doesn’t blow me away. But that’s why Landry got paid. They’re not in the same class as many other WRs. I’m not going to even start naming them because it will take too long. LOL
There’s a ton of videos out there on Tua, everyone seems to be amazed with what he did at Bama.
If he’s able to suit up and compete, let it be. 😉
You can’t look at players worrying if they’ll get hurt. If that’s the case do something else in life. Pundits get too caught up with he can’t play behind this OL, the team’s not ready blah blah blah. The best players play.
Simple question: Does Tua have more upside than Fitz and Rosen? If the answer is yes and he’s healthy, he should win the job. If he’s not physically ready to play put him on the shelf for a year. It’s not that complicated.
My doubts about Tua like I feel with many college QBs including Burrow, Murray last year, Mayfield the year before and Tebow back in the day already…;) is… they played on very talented teams and they often had good situations. The NFL is a different beast. That said, a couple of weeks before the draft I started to get a gut feeling we would target Tua over Herbert which we did. So I started watching more videos of him. Yes he had a lot of support, receivers running wide open etc. He also made superior accurate sideline and redzone throws.
The big question with Tua is he has to prove he can be as durable as Brees and Wilson of the same stature. I think ability-wise he’s right there.
Steve – Isn’t Thomas making close to $20M per year?
This year he’s team friendly but after that, not so much . . .
You can say Rice, or Taylor, or Moss, or Carter (there up a little in my mouth) TO, Ocho, and a fuck ton of other guys that litleralyl dominated the game at that position, i dont know if he even touches top 10 in my opinion.
That’s why I didn’t even bother. You’re not even close to being done. LOL
I’d take Duper over Thomas. Clayton might be more middle of the road in today’s game because he didn’t have Duper’s speed. I think Clayton feasted in 84 because of Duper. Nobody knew who Clayton was. Duper was already known as one of the fastest guys in the league and coming off of a 1,000 yard season in 83. But they both made a lot of great catches and big plays for many years in Miami.
Thomas is a great fantasy football guy in today’s game because he’s so consistent, but he’s not even close to being the G.O.A.T.
See Flores: high priority in pass rush and the secondary in 2020.
I actually think Clayton would be better in Todays game, Duper would still be great but Clayton is more like what the modern receivers are, which is good routes, more a catch machine than a deep bomb receiver.
I think Duper helped him get open. Not that Clayton wasn’t very good. I think he was in the right place at the right time. I love them both. The Mark’s Brothers!!!! It was a great time.
The other part of making it hard to give any current WR the GOAT title is the HUGE difference between the game rules to help WR and QB’s in the modern game. I mean WR’s practically had to wear a DB like a second shirt while they were running down and then have a boxing match before every catch back in the day, not to mention they had to wonder if each catch might be their last because Atwater and Lynch would be trying turn their insides to their outsides.
I think Lynch in particular wanted to see if a human being would actually pop like a waterbaloon if he hit them hard enough.
That’s why, when you watch the old games, some of the BDs had ungodly number of ints.
OD made a comment, when talking about the 72 Fins, quite a while back mentioning we had 6 ints in one game.
He’s a head case, and a diva like few others, but at least he can be good person at the right times and help others less fortunate.
Was he getting some😉
Good for Ocho….. and I was worried he’d go broke.
What part of G O A T don’t you guys understand? He’s unstoppable, doesn’t matter who the QB is.
What I wrote was I think he’s the GOAT. 😉
I think we all get it. But he’s probably 20 something on the list. LOL
D, Duper was often Danny’s red zone guy. Yeah he could take it 80 to the house but he also had very good hands and his quickness and speed made him open. He’d still be deadly in today’s game. He was the original Tyreek Hill. 😉
Yeah i think his is a any era skill set, im just saying Clayton’s game would be way better today than then because then, that possession receiver kinda role wasn’t nearly as big and wasn’t a weapon int he offense, more a distraction, but i agree Duper to me was always the one i thought was the more talented player.
I dont really know what was my favorite offensive teams, the mid 80’s dolphins with Duper, Clayton,Moore and Hardy at TE and Nathan at Rb (who was more receiver than RB) or the early to mid 90’s team with Fryar, Ingram, Jackson, and McDuffie oh and Parmalee.
McMicheal come in around that time too i think, i think he might be my more favorite Dolphins TE with Keith Jackson being a close second. That definately is my favorite OL group with Webb and Sims
Shit i forgot about Byars too, i think 90’s offensive team is starting to take the lead.
There’s 3 parts I believe.
I mean i do agree that something had to be done about those 90’s safety type trying to kill a guy on every play, but i also have to say it made football really exciting, definitely a gladiator in the area kind of excitement though.
Arena
And no one has ever been better.
Michael Thomas has been in the league 4 years, lol.
How the hell did that last pistvappear above, shouldve been here.
And no one has ever been better.
Shush… he’s the G.O.A.T. Don’t let Steve see this.;)
Instead of WoodStrock, our future QBs are 2 Pharaohs, including Perry, excluding Fitz.
Tu-Per-Rose
I’m just happy to hear anyone talking about Thomas v Parker. But guess Thomas made that happen. 🙂
I’ll be happy with a healthy Devante who looks like he did last year. You guys do get that last season people were talking about cutting him? Those folks still around?
I don’t remember who they were, it was never me. 🙂
Maybe once Michael Thomas does what Lance Alworth did for 7 years we can start with putting him in the HOF. LOL
Don’t get me wrong, Thomas is an excellent WR, but I never think of him as an all-time great. At least not yet.
Not me, I’ve had his Icon from year one.
Steve,
You can’t just look at stats in this era. Matthew Stafford threw for over 5000 yds in 2011. Is anyone going to put him in the same conversation as Marino? This is a different era where these passing and receiving stats don’t mean much.
Thomas has been a stud for the whole 4 years he’s been in the league, but to call him the GOAT and put him over Rice is crazy IMO (I’ll keep it simple and leave it at Rice). If Thomas puts up the same numbers for the next 6 years, then maybe we can start to have that conversation, lol.
See my rely to Stanger at 2:47. Pretty much sums it up.
Yeah, I usually pay attention to Steve’s football takes because he’s solid, but he’s out on crazy island with this one, lol.
LOL
Happy B-Day to my Mom. She was more wonderful than I deserved. Would have been 87 today.
This post made me cry. It made me think of all my loved ones I miss. Cheers to you, Stanger.
In Rice’s 18th year in the league, he had 92 receptions for over 1200 yds, and we’re talking about Michael Thomas?! Blasphemy, lol.
This Thomas GOAT discussion isn’t all the interesting to me, but how do you select him? Is it based upon completions? Yards per catch? TD’s?
Statistically Thomas wasn’t even top 5 in yards until last season. His first three years at least 4 WR’s had more yards. In TD’s he didn’t break top five until last year. Yards per reception he is not even in the discussion in the top 10. So going back and looking at his contemporaries, he only leads or is top 5 in ONE stat. # of catches.
Does that mean the Jarvis Landry was the GOAT until Thomas started?
I made the Landry comparison. It gets to the point where you can’t say a player is only really good, but not great. Not HOF. People today think that means he’s been slighted. One of my favorite baseball players is Mookie Wilson of the NY Mets. We all know he’s not HOF. He was a fun player to watch. He was like Tony Nathan of the Miami Dolphins.
Stanger,
I have no problem admitting when I’m wrong, and I’ll own that one. I was calling for Parker to be cut. I’m just glad I’m not the Dolphins GM, lol.
We’ll see if he can build on what he did last year, but he showed that he is capable of being a #1 receiver in this league and potentially one of the best. What he did the 2nd half of the season was impressive.
In no way had you in mind, but yeah there was the cut Parker chatter. I was more “hey he’s real cheap right now with the potential that made him get drafted so high.” When they say “Attention K-Mart shoppers” they are talking to me. 🙂
No worries, I didn’t think you had me in mind. 🙂 I was quite vocal about Parker after 4 years of disappointment. But he sure flipped that switch last year, and then he rewarded our Fins with a very team friendly contract extension. I hope he puts us in a position where we have to rework that contract in a year or two.
You are a stand-up guy. On issues like this many sneak off into the netherworld. And Phins signed him on the cheap. Less worried about his health than having the same desire as when his career was on the line.
I think Steve meant he was “A” GOAT! 😉
LOL, that’s what I thought at first too when I was reading the convo, that he was messing around and spinning people up, but then I saw he also said flat out he thinks he’s the best receiver ever – prior to calling him the GOAT.
At the very least it got me to look up Rice’s stats and took me back to what an unbelievable player he was, lol.
Landry IS the GOAT! No question about it
Is it wrong that I want to see the Browns burn in…. or whatever. 😉
Thats the same as calling his name Mikey.
Landry is carbon kind of a goat😏
Fuck it don’t come across the same when you get spell checked.
Cabron
stangerx says:
May 20, 2020 at 2:28 pm
I’m just happy to hear anyone talking about Thomas v Parker. But guess Thomas made that happen. 🙂
I’ll be happy with a healthy Devante who looks like he did last year. You guys do get that last season people were talking about cutting him? Those folks still around?
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Im never pro cut, but i do think that at some point you cut your losses, i dont think i was a cut Parker guy but i had definitely given up on getting anything from him. When they reworked the deal to extend him but lower his cap, i was happy with that move because i think it showed he knew he hadn’t lived up to his draft status, and was willing to earn the respect back, that to me was the turning point back towards being ok with keeping him, but i was pretty much on the train of just let him walk when his FA hits.
Not to meniton i was one of the hardest beating the drum that we should select him and not White, which it ultimately didnt matter because White was selected way before us.
LOL D
Tim Knight says:
May 20, 2020 at 3:27 pm
I made the Landry comparison. It gets to the point where you can’t say a player is only really good, but not great. Not HOF. People today think that means he’s been slighted. One of my favorite baseball players is Mookie Wilson of the NY Mets. We all know he’s not HOF. He was a fun player to watch. He was like Tony Nathan of the Miami Dolphins.
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See, im not a mets fan and i disagree with ya about Mookie, i think he definately deserves to be in that conversation. To me its about being an integral cog to a exceptional team and Mookie was part of the best Mets teams ever and he did so much for those teams. His stats aren’t all that but they are overall very solid and defensively he was an ace, i remember him putting out people from the outfield, like a lot. I mean i get what your saying, thats not what generally gets people in the HOF but he did a lot of good things, maybe not a couple of great ones but overall a whole lot of good ones.
There are a lot of guys who get left out of the HOF conversation that make you scratch your head, like Dale Murphy, granted, he was on some really shitty teams, his Braves were not the WS ones, and his career ended really shitty, BUT the guy for a while was the only guy around doing 30/30 and 40/40, until Bonds during the Pirate years.
Baseball HOF really doesnt make sense to me who get inducted and who dont, because to me there are several in that arent as good as several that arent.
doesnt
D, aren’t you a Braves fan!?
stangerx says:
May 20, 2020 at 2:37 pm
Happy B-Day to my Mom. She was more wonderful than I deserved. Would have been 87 today.
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Happy birthday to your mom as well Stanger, with my Dad i obviously remember his birthday but i think the remembering how old he would be just makes it all to hard for me. Its also only been one birthday since he passed, going on two this year, so maybe it get easier, but in way i kind of hope it doesnt.
Guess everyone is different, but for me at least the day comes and the pain is less. Just go with what a great woman. Her day.
Calvin Johnson destroys all these guys you’re all talking about except Rice.
He made Stafford millions. Lol
He was aiight, but Thomas not only makes big plays, but keeps drives going more often.
Megatron dictated the entire defense. He took over games. I don’t feel Thomas has done that to his level. Plus Megatron had 0 help anywhere else on his offense compared to the other weapons that are accounted for in NO.
JMO
NBA to resume season In July, NHL should be next to make a decision.
Looks good for NFL camp to open on time.
Empty arenas?
I don’t so, but we’ll see.
Empty arenas and stadiums will be fine
The best WR of all time is the guy that you want on the field with the game on the line.
Calvin catches slighty more than 55% of balls thrown his way, that doesn’t scream clutch to me, but that’s just a stat, he was really good with the game on the line, but not like Thomas. Thomas catches 78% of balls thrown to him.
When I watch Thomas, he looks like he’s just toying with the D, he’s the best player on the field.
They threw shit in Calvin’s general direction. His catch rate pct means absolutely nothing
Got my season tickets today for VGK. Behind the goal and up, so I can see. Same section as last year, but 2nd row, instead of 6th and on the aisle.
Only 10 grand including parking, 2 seats 😉
I’m just hoping they finish this season soon. If they start back up in July, they should finish up the championship right before football reg season starts. 🤞
The thing is Michael Thomas is not as good as Julio Jones and neither make their team a champion. The last thing a GM wants to do is pay a WR.
I don’t get Herald articles. What did it say?
https://www.bakersfield.com/ap/sports/the-backstory-on-why-the-dolphins-changed-offensive-coordinators-and-how-it-went-down/article_a0094f5b-1030-55cb-8b7a-9946ce8496bf.html
I couldn’t read that version either. Here’s a reprint.
This makes a lot more sense than the other reasons I heard bandied about for Oshea’s firing. It also gives me that much more confidence in Flores. No hesitation in removing him.
When Miami Dolphins coach Brian Flores fired Chad O’Shea the day after last season ended and brought 68-year-old Chan Gailey out of retirement to run the team’s offense, there was some level of bewilderment in NFL circles.
But conversations with multiple sources close to last year’s team — including player feedback — have offered clarity about why Flores opted for a change, and why multiple players supported the move.
One player described the situation on offense last season as a “[expletive] show,” noting O’Shea tried to teach an offense that was too complex for a young team and that teaching/instruction during film study was a “disaster.”
Some of the stuff in this article is new, obviously, since it talks about Tua, but the reason O’Shea was fired isn’t. I read the complex O stuff after the firing.
TRIVIAL TIDBIT which most of you probably are aware of. Top of screen says BOTH Miami-Buffalo games are in Miami. NOT TRUE. Sept. 20 game is in Miami, Jan. 3 game is in Buffalo. Obviously, the schedule maker is NOT a weatherman. He’s probably not a rocket scientist, either.
It’s too small on my phone, so I didn’t read it initially, but at least it’s in orange like the rest of the away games.
YOUNG STANGER: SAW your wonderful comment about your mom up the page.
IF my adoptive mom was still alive, she’d be 111 on her next birthday.
And I consider her my REAL MOM!!
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/cowboys-aldon-smith-reinstated-nfl
steveccnv says:
May 20, 2020 at 9:09 am
…What’s happenin MF?
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Doing really good, bud! Thanks for asking. How are you, sir? Long time, no hear.
I’ll chime in on your Michael Thomas comments, man… IF he can keep up his current production for another decade and some change, he will then be a top-5 WR in NFL history.
RIGHT NOW, he’s certainly the hottest WR in the league after 4 years in, and without a doubt… I hear you. But can he still be that guy after Drew Brees retires? We shall see!
I respect you, man.
Everything is good here, still working from home. Don’t be a stranger.
Other teams inquiring about Rosen. Don’t be stupid and just dump him, prop him up in preseason, then trade him.
Its a bird in hand scenario, you dont know if PS will help or hurt him, if there is interest and it satisfies what your looking to get for him, i say take the deal when you get the compensation you want.
You do what you can to make him look good in preseason, behind the first team OL and good receivers, then get at least a 3rd or keep him, if he stinks it up you just keep him.
Stinking it up allows you to possibly sign him to his second contract at heap backup money.
I’d be Ok either way.
Tim, yeah a Braves fan.
Barkley now saying he wouldn’t want his kids playing college sports amidst the virus.
What are these athletes so afraid of?
Just a fraction of one percent of them are at risk to even be admitted into a hospital because of it. Playing sports is more dangerous to them.
If they’re worried about giving it to someone, then don’t be around someone you love that’s at risk.
I guess the ignorant are afraid of what they don’t understand.
Or just really cautious because its their kids. I’m more careful driving when my kids are int he car, im do a lot of things different with my kids in mind. I would probably be the same way and i know the percentages, sometimes even a fractional percentage is woo much.
Now compare that fractional percent to other things in life that are risky, that people don’t seem to pay any mind to.
I agree, dont get me wrong, probably as the player, im wanting to play, im not worried about the fraction percentage, but as a parent i would be, if that makes sense. I agree though people can make mountains out of mole hills and yet ignore the actual hill right in front of them that they cross every day, im just saying sometimes its different when its your kid and not you.
I also think that the kids are old enough to make their own decisions at the point of college and while the parents might not let them and might even control that situation, the decision should be up to them, so basically Barkley didn’t say much of anything there, except that he is a concerned parent
It really doesn’t make much difference in if the sports should be played as far as a parent’s decision, thats a decision that should be made by the people who are going to take the risk, including the organizations that decide to move forward as they are entering in risk as well in the form of lawsuits if it turns out bad.
Steve i thought you worked for the Casinos, how do you do that remotely, i thought the Casinos had completely isolated internal networks that weren’t accessible outside. Maybe i dont understand the full nature of your job either, so that could be part of the disconnect.
I worked in the casino in Lake Tahoe back in the early 90s. I don’t do that kind of work any longer.
Speaking of Barkley, he is a guy who i have gained a ton of respect for SINCE he stopped playing. I have seen him make stands on subjects that show he operates out of his own beliefs of right or wrong and he doesn’t care how popular it makes him with either side. Subject to subject i can agree or disagree with him, but i can tell he isn’t just spouting one sides propaganda, he is saying what he believes and often as it does with me, he can be on different sides on different subjects. He’s still a loud mouth, but i definitely think more of him now than i ever did when he was playing.
That’s why Barkley is so well liked, but his views on some things are easily manipulated, because he isn’t the sharpest tool…so anything outside of basketball I really don’t pay much attention to.
I was just using Barkley as an example, because of the story about him, but in general the MSM is putting a lot of agenda driven thoughts in people’s heads, and because of it people are walking on egg shells.
That is an awesome look😂
YES!! YES!! YES!! Cereal is soup. 🙂
I don’t agree with that actually.
Either way, no soup for you😉
Calamari is the most exotic food? Come on
Back when he first started calling for us to pick up Fitz in FA this is what I was talking about and I do think that if he is fine playing when he is done being out QB, that he co siders signing on as a coach with us and that we do approach him about being a coach with us.
Is that Eric Wood the former Bills center?
He also had that indoor pro day and moved around well and threw well. I’m not sure he needs to sit for any period of time due to his injury but unless the team just wants him to sit and learn for however many games.
We should do a poll once football activities get going more to normal; what week do you think Tua gets his first game action? Not start, first time he plays QB in an NFL game.
if there is one, game one preseason game, whenever that is
RS silly man.
Week 3, garbage time against the Jags
I’m still betting on us getting no more than a 5th for Rosen if we trade him.
No reason to make that move quickly unless the offer is too good to pass on. Once the team is good with where Tua is at, Rosen becomes a trade commodity. Rudock is still there as a camp arm.
I’m ok with keeping him as the 3rd QB. I bring it up because there is talk that teams are calling us about him.
I can’t see him gaining value as the season goes on, because if he’s playing we have a problem, so now and into the preseason might be our best opportunity to get anything for him.
Steve’s idea of propping him up in the preseason to increase his value is interesting, but I’m not sure many teams are going to be calling 3 or 4 weeks into the preseason looking for a non-starter QB, so I still don’t think we can get a 2nd or 3rd for him. Personally, if we could get a 4th or better, I’d do that trade right now.
Another potential factor is the whole Tua health thing. Maybe we see merit in keeping a 3rd QB that might develop into a decent starter one day if we have concerns about Tua’s ability to stay healthy.
Just throwing ideas and possibilities out there.
https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/nfl-rule-change-proposal-onside-kick
Instead of onside kicks, a team could take 4th and 15 from their own 25.
I doubt this passes, but per the article it is supposedly gaining some steam. Anyone here want to see this?
Nah… it’s like when hockey went to the shootout. I liked it at first but saw how lame it really was to how the game is played. Why are they trying to change the game?
They are looking to make changes because the new rules make onside kicks a lot harder to convert. 21% in 2017, 8% in 2018 once the rule changed (only 4 were converted in 2018).
I don’t like this particular proposal, but I would like them to find a way for teams to have a better chance to convert.
I don’t like the proposal. Just onside kick it and change all this crap after I’m dead and gone. Leave it alone.
And move the extra point back up where it used to be, why should the scoring team be penalized for just scoring on your sorry ass?
Kong, you don’t take Tua at #5 if you thought he is broken. I think that narrative has created a false view of him. We’ll see. I’m looking forward to watching him prove himself.
Did we land a QB who changes a franchise?
I think if he legit beats out a hungry Fitzpatrick he’ll be playing. If Fitz can hold him off then you ride Fitz one last time.
I think Flores is going to play the player who wins the job, so I agree with ya. I love what Fitz did for us last year, and I’m glad he gets a chance to compete for the job.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see it go down with Fitz starting week 1 and Tua probably starting by week 5 or 6.
There is a difference between thinking he is broken and covering your bases if you have the option to do so. I’m not saying this is definite, but I certainly don’t dismiss it as a possibility.
If there were no concerns about his health, he would have gone higher than #5, lol.
Flores said they were drafting the best players, not necessarily the most ready players, so if Tua sits this year, that fits what he said.