Draft day is approaching very quickly, so much so that I can already envision the arguments about who we took, when we took them and why we didn’t take this guy or that guy. It’s coming. Chris Grier and Brian Flores and the Miami Dolphins Scouting team will be questioned, ridiculed and revered by others all after 4 days of the draft in which the Dolphins currently hold 8 selections, starting with picks 5,18 in RD 1, 36 and 50 in RD 2, 81 in RD 3, 156 in RD 4 and then a long wait until picks 231 and 258 in RD 7. As usual, you can almost certainly expect some movement by our team in the draft, we have a history of wheeling and dealing, moving up back and all around at different junctures of the draft.
I think for the most part, the majority here understand that we need to help our QB by giving him better weapons on offense, and that could mean at a variety of positions including the trenches to give him better throwing lanes as well as keeping him healthy, more talent and reliability at receiver whether that receiver is a WR or TE and a durable ballcarrier who can also be a quality receiver out of the backfield. An easy way to have the QB improve is to give him better players around, see Ryan Tannehill and the Tennessee Titans for proof of such. We also have needs on defense but we made two key moves to make us better up the middle. First move was trading for ILB Benardrick McKinney to pair him with #55 Jerome Baker. We then signed FA DT John Jenkins. We do have AVG and Vince Biegel coming back on the outside but Biegel is coming off a torn achilles. He showed some promise before the injury, but whether the Dolphins are going to count on him remains to be seen. We need to get pressure from the edge, so I’d expect us to be looking at either an OLB or OLB/DE tweener who can rush the passer both standing up and with his hand in the ground.
Who are the most likely targets? I see mocks split for pick #6 with the usual suspects, WR Ja’Marr Chase, WR, DeVonta Smith, TE Kyle Pitts and OL Penei Sewell and Rashawn Slater. Once you get past our first pick, things as expected get more muddled. #18 is all over the map, from RB Najee Harris to EDGE rushers Kwity Paye, Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, Gregory Rousseau and Jaelan Phillips. Who we take at #6 will undoubtedly affect who we take next. If we don’t take a receiver with our first pick, say we go with an OL then I’m inclined to believe our next pick will be a WR. I can’t see going forward with the WR corps we currently have without finding a dependable, reliable high talent WR in this draft. I suppose receivers like Kadarius Toney or Rashod Bateman or Terrace Marshall could be the guy but I think we go for top tier talent here and either Chase, Smith or Pitts is the first pick. I’ll get more into the rest of the draft next week, and I’m sure there will be even more speculation, rumor and innuendo to discuss next week.
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I really think some one at edge will fall to 36 and maybe even our 2B pick too.
They alll have warts like Paye and Rousseau
There’s no chase young, bosa bro or Myles garret this year.
They all have that late first to 2nd rounder that might be a first rounder bc of the value of the position and a run starting
Lot of factors here, but so many good pass rushers and defensive players didn’t play In 2020
Kind of increases the wildcard factor, had they played in 2020, maybe one of them could have had a chase young kind of year and the conversation is different
Maybe we really like one as a scheme for at 18
But let’s say we get through the first round without taking a defensive player – then we still get a shot in the 2nd round at prospects that maybe could have went as high as 18
It’s an odd year bc of the opt outs, no combine and season limitations
But at other positions there are 3 WRs that stand out, 1 TE, and 2 RBs
at the edge/lb/dl hybrid types that might fit out scheme – I have about 10 guys and if you asked everyone who is top 3, they would give you different answers. That means there will be a good one at 36 and maybe even a little later too
Sometimes who you pick is set by the board, not just who you are going to get, but who you might have a shot at later.
The U75s tell you there’s no Chase Youngs, that’s not Rousseau, but he’s pretty close with production.
He’s not the bull that Young is, he’s a different type of player, one that uses his frame to get results.
When I watched Becton last year, saw a guy that doesn’t have the best technique, but it was damn hard to get around him, because of his frame, Rousseau is similar once he’s in the backfield.
I can’t see him getting by Pitt
I agree with the last statement for sure. Seems to be an overall weak defensive class. The standouts are few if any. Offensively, though it is deep. So do you take one of the defensive “stand-outs” first and take a WR later because there are many good ones available, or do you take a WR early and settle for whatever is there defensively? I guess Krishna has it right – BPA.
risk/reward ratio
thats basically what the draft is
everything is risky, but the rewards ONLY come to the ones with the cajones to boldly take on the risk
of course, sometimes the risk is named Dion Jordan, and other times the risk is Laremy Tunsil
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Etienne at #18 would be a wasted pick. He’s the fastest of the top RB’s but just not special enough to be even drafted 1st round.
In the right situation he could be really dangerous, like in Buffalo or KC or Tampa.
For us he doesn’t make much sense at 18, unless you believe he could take Tua to the next level with his explosiveness running and receiving.
Would kind of depend on the direction Flores wants the O to go, but to just come out and say no matter what taking him at 18 is a good thing, I can’t say that
We sometimes forget cops are human, and get scared at times, when criminals resist, and don’t want to be shot. Like a QB with happy feet, they sometimes get happy trigger.
Animals even know the #1 rule is self preservation.
You have to stay alive first, you can throw out who is right, it has nothing to do with that.
When I go thru big intersections I look at cross traffic, when I’m in someone’s blind spot I stay to the opposite side of my lane as I pass, before entering an intersection upon green I make sure it’s clear and check the speed of any moving cross traffic. Why? Self preservation.
When you resist arrest you break the #1 rule, reducing your chance at survival.
Are people/criminals this stupid? No, they know the risk and are willing to take it, so when something happens it’s partly on them, not to fault, but for being foolish
Completely agree as to most these deaths. The person who dies is partly to blame. That does not mean the cop is not, but the person helped escalate the situation to where the cop’s mistake was one of deadly force.
Didn’t get that from that army officer who was pulled over in VA though. That cop was just wrong in so many ways, including not just talking to the driver. Cause the pull over never should have happened to start with.
Cop in VA is just a dick and should be fired. I would bet a paycheck he is detested by the rest of the department.
My post isn’t about the cop in VA or those types of situations. I don’t think you’ll find anyone seriously back those cops up.
The media tells us how we need police reform, which we do, but we all know that, we don’t need it emphasized for every occurrence, especially when it’s rare.
They need to start preaching self preservation. What you can do to not put yourself in that position.
Too many people seem to toy with the cops, because you can’t do that to me…what’s your badge number, I pay your salary, I didn’t do anything…
I partly blame the media (their narrative is dangeous) and those pulling their strings and the criminals, who know the risk and would rather try to get away, then go to prison.
In many of these instances the cops are put in a self preservation situation themselves. I believe they’re trained to take care of themself and public first, then worry about the criminal.
Why should the cops have to put their life in jeopardy, when the criminal created the situation?
The VA cop and others like him/her should be prosecuted
steve — like said right with you, except for maybe the new point about the media. Figure who am I to tell them what to cover and what not….. even if feel real free to call out false narratives.
I think we should go with a battering ram at RB instead of a twinkle toes guy like drake, that will give Tua the best chance to succeed, when teams have to guess on 2nd down vs knowing Tua has to pass due to the lack of bully ball up front.
get williams.
That’s what Brown can do for you, but if we want an upgrade (4 yard avg on 1st down, instead of 3) that’s more Harris and Williams
Harris and Williams both for that mold
Jimmy Johnson once said, all players are a risk, some are a risk, because of their talent level
So Bengals sign Burrow’s former LSU TE Thaddeus Moss. Are they going with familiarity for Burrow. Could Chase be next?
The question should be does that mean they won’t draft Pitts?
I don’t think it takes Pitts out of the equation for Cincy. Moss was never going to be more than average but he did have a connection with Burrow.
I think it is Sewell all the way.
Now here is an article illustrating the art of regurgitating the obvious.
https://amp.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article250621589.html
In our cap top 51 I see 4 wrs Grant, Hurns, Wilson and Foster not making the team, 1 C either Tom or Deiter, and Laird.
4 guys not in top 51, I think make it are Ferguson, Bowden, Ahmed, and Needham.
51-6+4=49, add 4 rookies from top 2 rounds gets us to 53, then picks 81 and 156 should also make it, so 2 more need to be cut/traded depending on what positions are drafted.
With that said, why do we need to trade back from one of our earlier picks to get more draft capital like CBS and others are suggesting?
I see Grant making it unless he gets traded.
I can’t see Grant and Hollins being both kept for STs, but maybe Grant over Hollins, either way about 4 of these guys will be gone
I could see us trading back a few from #18 unless someone falls to us. After #15 I see the talent level really even out except for maybe OT.
I could actually see Preston Williams being cut as well.
I really don’t want to get in the cop discussion because we have had it last year during the Floyd shit storm. If you have never had to arrest or detain anyone then you don’t know what it is like. The fear, anxiety and adrenalin. I have it every time. Thank God I don’t have to do it much anymore.
The moment someone does not cooperate to the simplest of requests the fear, anxiety and adrenalin multiplies exponentially.
I look at our jail 24 booking several times a day just to see if someone we are looking for got arrested. When scanning I will see several people (of all races but mainly white or black) who were arrested for resisting arrest. That is all day and everyday. The PC culture has made people think it is ok to do that. You will also see many felons arrested for possession of a firearm almost everyday. Then add in factors of alcohol or drug intox and shit gets real unpredictable.
Criminals will be all cool and cooperate initially but many of them are just looking/waiting for that moment of opportunity.
All this is engraved in the back of the officers minds as it is mine. These cops want to go home to their families. Shit will go south in a heartbeat when people don’t listen. You resist and get back in the vehicle, you are probably gong to catch some lead.
As for profiling. Yeah, it happens but they don’t pull over every black guy they see. One of the black cops I know very well says he does it. I mentioned him before last year. His nick name is the “Nutty Professor” cause he looks identical to him. He profiles but he says he is 80-90 percent right most days. Says when you been doing this for a while you can just tell when something isn’t right about someone. Says if he didn’t do it these guys would still be riding around the neighborhoods with guns and drugs in the car.
Then he gives me a ration of shit for getting them out the next day or two. I just tell him “Hey, it’s the system”. Truthfully, half the people I bond out, I hate myself for it. The other half just made a mistake and aren’t career criminals (yet).
My boss and I were seconds from being shot in 2013. That shit is still fresh in my mind like it happened yesterday. Now look at your city cops. This happens to them every year if not several times a year. Compound that PTSD over 6-7 years. Their “Oh shit, not today mother fucker” level is probably through the roof most days.
People have the right to speak out about the cops but unless they have worn their shoes they should really just STFU. Until people start obeying the police, it is what it is.
Yep. The Wokers need to start looking in the mirror for the reasons it keeps happening.
There’s too much false narrative out there and it’s dangerous. Some people are too stupid to realize they’re being used
BBM — that’s a great inside look.
Grew up in suburban CT, every year or so my town would put out notice it was hiring new officers. They’d get like 100 applicants for every spot. Most of them would be NYC cops. Part of that is the pay would be better, but think most of it was our town offered a whole lot less opportunity for the situations you describe.
Stanger, do you trust Biden?
Yeah I do. My biggest problem would be if Biden did all he says he wants to do, but that is why I have Joe Manchin.
So you’re OK with the covid bill that used 9% for covid and the infrastructure bill that used less than 6% on infrastructure?
You asked me whether I trust Biden rather than like his policies. Two different Qs. You act like I think Biden is the 2nd coming of Reagan. And some of his policies I like and some I don’t. Thought both the Covid bill and the infrastructure bills over blown if that helps.
Tim Knight says:
April 12, 2021 at 9:05 pm
I have no problem with Paye at #18. Not sure what you guys are missing? Charley Casserly said he can play all 4 positions up front specifically in nickel. We run mix it up and match it up on long down and distance on defense. Lance Zierlein compares him to Emmanuel Ogbah but Paye is more versatile. He’s a solidly built dude at 6-3/6-4 270 running a 4.54. This pick would not surprise me at all. He might go earlier.
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I really think Paye is a solid player, he’s just not upper echelon in my eyes. What’s more, even though Paye would fit our scheme, I feel we have too many Paye’s as it is. What we lack is a fast-attack pass-rusher from the EDGE… and that’s not Paye, nor is it his game.
If we draft him, so be it… we’ll find a home for him to be sure. He’s just not what we need right now, and I don’t view him as a 1st rounder. In other words, we have bigger fish to fry before we should even think about Paye, IMO.
Paye won’t help us against Josh Allen, Cam Newton, Pat Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Russell Wilson, or any of the other slippery and fast QBs in the league.
But many of the draftniks think he brings speed and power to the table. I have no idea how he’ll pan out in the NFL, I’m just going by what the pros are saying about him. I’m just a bit surprised that so many fans here think so little of him.
At the end of the day as fans we have no choice but to roll with who we draft and root for them to be most awesome. LOL
If we draft Paye, I’ll be rooting for him. What I do like about him is his non-stop motor, he seems to have a great work ethic, he’s shown he can produce, and he’s flexible on the D-Line… much like one Jared Odrick.
What I don’t like about him? He’s not a true EGDE in the sense that he’s an outside pass-rusher: I find that designation to be a misnomer. He lacks the explosion to be a true NFL EDGE. He should be considered more of 4-3 tweener on the D-Line, again, just like Jared Odrick.
That’s NO knock on Odrick, either.
It’s actually most complimentary to compare Paye to Odrick. Odrick was a helluva player for us.
Paye doesn’t remind me of Odrick. Very different body types and he’s a lot faster than Odrick.
Watch his game tape, he does the same thing on every snap which is run right into the OL in front of him and tries to outmatched them. Someone should tell him he has no muscle or moves.
If he’d just try to beat the OT to the outside, and learn 1 or 2 moves he might be OK, but that’s a project not an 18
I love Rousseau’s athletic ability and physical traits, but he has a serious bust factor. Plus, I don’t see him coming in and playing from day one. Or, at least I don’t think he’d come in and play well from day one. He doesn’t have any technique at all. He’s got a lot of learning to do. This is not an easy defense to learn.
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He’s not the greatest technician, that’s not his game, but he does have some moves and he can shutdown his end of the line and gets to the QB fast.
On day 1 he’d be our best passrusher
You see how people have different views on these prospects. You think Rousseau is the real deal and Randy and M13 don’t see it.
If it’s not an easy D to learn, then everyone brought in has a lot to learn, unless they came from the belicheat tree.
Are you saying he’s too stupid to learn it?
I didn’t get a hint of that from his interview
He’s not a sure thing like the Bosa’s and Young, but he’s the next best thing.
I’m not going to spend all day trying to talk up Kwitty Paye. I keep seeing him in mock drafts going in the teens and many fans here don’t think he’s very good. I found that odd. That’s all.
He’s the prospect you love to hate…..lol
All good, Tim. For the record, I think he’s good (I grade him as a 2nd rounder)… just feel we can do better with our picks, that’s all.
We have only 1 team to watch, we know our team inside and out, and mostly know what type of players fit.
Try doing that for 32 teams, they don’t, they just pick the brain of the beat reporters and go by what they say
Also you have to consider their agenda, are they click baiting? Are they trying to be a GM?
Who are you talking about?
I’m talking about the mockster, that mock Paye in the 1st
I’m referring to guys like DJ, Bucky, Pioli and Casserly who were all paid as scouts and executives. I don’t think they’re following beat writers.
You’d be surprised how unprepared they can be. These guys are just talking heads, same as any of them doing mocks
Tim Knight says:
April 13, 2021 at 1:55 pm
You see how people have different views on these prospects. You think Rousseau is the real deal and Randy and M13 don’t see it.
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To be fair, I think Rousseau could be excellent. As I stated here on the day of his Pro-Day, my problem is his commitment to football. He has one year of production (which was NICE!), but he took the whole year off and ended up flunking his Pro-Day. WTF was he doing all the while?
And according to Tony Pauline, Rousseau was NOT battling through any injury at his Pro-Day.
That’s a MAJOR red-flag to me: buyer beware.
Rousseau is a project to me, and as Randy stated above, he’s going to need time. His technique is unpolished, he has much to learn being so green, and I question his work ethic.
You can’t blame anyone for opting out due to Covid. You don’t know their situation. Other than that, I’m not sure what his upside is. I sometimes worry about guys being too tall. Some pan out but a lot of others seem to struggle with movement.
This blurb from his NFL draft profile isn’t very positive.
“I don’t really see a big-time NFL rusher. So much of his pressure came as a zero-technique and he won’t see those looks in our league. He has very average juice and speed-to-power.” — Director of scouting for NFL team”
No, I do NOT blame him (or anybody else) for opting out due to COVID. What I can blame him for? For flunking his Pro-Day after having a year off.
Rousseau is probably the only one who opted out last year, who totally shat the bed on their Pro-Day. There are 300 pound+ DTs who have a significantly higher VJs than Rousseau… and Rousseau’s film shows otherwise.
Rousseau was likely sitting on his couch eating Doritos, dipping them in melted cheese, downing soda and beer like they were going out of fashion, and likely watching NetFlix all day and all night long.
No excuse for his Pro-Day numbers vs his tape.
I have no idea what he was doing over the last year. Maybe his pro day results is who he is. Was he overweight?
That’s why you get different opinions. You and I agree mostly on his talent, but you’re thwarting what you see based on his desire.
Maybe you have a bad taste in you’re mouth from Wilson and Fuckface, I don’t know.
I saw his interview and didn’t get the impression he was a slacker
I saw Rousseau’s interview too, and I liked it, too! He said all of the right things, but sometimes actions speak louder than words.
It’s not just what he said, it’s also how he said it
Agreed, Steve!
One of the greatest things about this site is the many differing opinions… that’s something to be appreciated. If we all agreed about every player and every trait on a prospect, it would be really boring here!
Everybody brings something to the table, and it gets digested by all. At the end of the meal, it doesn’t matter who was right or wrong… who brought the most or the best food… we all contributed and we ALL ATE! That’s what’s important, y’all!
Oh I agree with that. I was just pointing out how different people view different prospects. I find it interesting, it’s not a knock on anyone.
Tim, that wasn’t directed at you, my friend… it was directed at EVERYBODY, including myself. We sometimes get a little too into ourselves, and don’t consider another’s perspective… not that I’d ever do that (AMERSON! ARCHER!), LOL 😀
It’s all good, man! Just want everyone to keep things in perspective, nothing more.
I’m not saying Rousseau is a finished product, he’ll need to adjust to the NFL, refine his moves and learn to be a pro.
He has the physical traits to be that Edge guy we need, his ceiling is high, unlike Paye, that I see a low ceiling for us
I do agree with this! I just think Rousseau, after his Pro-Day, found himself outside of the 1st round, looking in.
Who knows, man… he could still go in the 1st if a team loves his potential… which is INCREDIBLE. Just beware.
Tim Knight says:
April 13, 2021 at 2:20 pm
I have no idea what he was doing over the last year. Maybe his pro day results is who he is. Was he overweight?
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I don’t think he was overweight, but he was clearly out of shape. His tape shows what he is capable of doing (that’s where Steve’s at, and he’s not wrong!). However, his Pro-Day showed a shadow of the man we saw on tape.
Kiper’s latest mock has us getting Pitts…… but after trading up to #4. Call that ridiculous , but also obvious he doesn’t think Pitts will be there at #6.
According to The Count:
““I don’t think it would cost the Dolphins a first-round pick in 2022, but it’s tough to predict without knowing who else is bidding. For this exercise, I think it could take something like a second- and third-round pick next year for Miami to move up two spots. “
I’m calling that RIDICULOUS! LOL
In that scenario, we should have just stood pat @ R1P3.
Pretty much no difference. End result of all the moves would be a 2022 2nd for a 2023 first to drop one spot.
Kiper has to do something no one else has done to account for charging that 5.99 I believe it is.
I take mocks with a grain of salt
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I LOVE this video!!! LOL
Reminds me of some of us (me included!) here on the F-MU!!!
Just watched Rousseau’s Pro Day, and yeah it wasn’t great, but I didn’t see too many cheeseburgers around his waist and he looked like he could’ve prepped better for it.
Things like the bench press 21 reps don’t bother me, because it’s harder to bench with long arms and it really isn’t an indication of football strength. I take more what I see on the field.
On the field he plays fast, the opponents game planned for him, and he’s very good against the run
steveccnv says:
April 13, 2021 at 9:59 am
That’s what Brown can do for you, but if we want an upgrade (4 yard avg on 1st down, instead of 3) that’s more Harris and Williams
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The Flying Pig says:
April 13, 2021 at 11:41 am
Harris and Williams both for that mold
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harris ran behind a dominate OL against sub par talent, he won’t have that luxury in the NFL, that’s why i’m Harris shy.
Said the same thing
Sub par talent? They play in the SEC.
they played only 4 ranked teams out of 12 games in their reg season 2020, auburn and texas a&m were ranked pretty high
Both Derick Henry and Josh Jacobs ran behind dominant OLs too and they are killing it in the nfl
Mark Ingram has been a productive back for years too.
So did 1 yard and a cloud of dust Kenyan Drake.
As for Kiper’s comments on Miami, who knows if Pitts is the guy we’re targeting. Also moving back up to #6 might have been the plan to be where we need to be if we decide to trade up for a specific player. We still got a future 1st out of the deal and we’re not going to be trading an additional 1st to go from #6 to #4. Based on the value chart (I know just a starting point) is only 200 points which would be a 3rd and maybe a late pick. We would still have our #18 and two 2nd rounders. Those are the key picks for us.
The #3 trade got us a 2022 3rd and 2023 1st. I don’t think Kiper really thought this out. We could trade up to #4 without giving up too much as long as ATL or say even Cincy was game. The #6 pick still holds a lot of value.
Trading from 3 to 12 to 6, then maybe further down makes no sense to me.
That 3rd and maybe a later pick has the same value as the 2023 first to FOs.
3 – 12 – 6 was the plan, going back further, based on who is still on the board could happen, but moving down at this point would make Grier look like an ass clown, and they’d like nothing better, than do that.
Ross would have him on notice too, maybe even double secret probation
Atlanta could give us an offer we couldn’t refuse, but barring a great value to us, which I can’t even see happening, we aren’t trading up.
Also that 4 pick would cost us more to sign.
Just say no
We disagree on this. A 3rd and a late round pick never adds up to a 1st round pick. Do NFL front offices use some different kind of math? How would a prospect at #65 at best and say a 7th in the 200’s ever equal a #32 at worst? We also got a 3rd next year so not following your thinking here at all.
It was just Kiper’s click bait twist in his latest mock. Bet you it isn’t in his next one.
Key Q is what has changed since we moved from #3 to #6? Same guys to draft. But guess if the Falcons don’t want to take a QB or can find a trade partner that does that we might take a 2-spot pop up on the cheap.
Nothing changed, we acquired good future draft capital and still have a #6 and other picks to move up if we choose to. We act like we gave up all these picks in the SF/PHI trade. No, the 49ers did that.
Let’s say we trade up to #4 and give ATL a 3rd and 6th or 7th this year. Are you going to be bummed out because we don’t have that unbelievable #81 and 175 to 200+? We still have #18, #36 and #50, and two 3rds next year that will be 3rd round picks, not 4th round picks. Comp picks don’t start until after the 32nd pick in the 3rd round.
At the end of the day it’s about players, not this bizarre idea that future picks have less value.
If we could trade up to #4 for a 3rd and a 6th I’d take it right now. That would be the “on the cheap” trade up was talking about. Doubt it is there but you never know. Kiper was talking more than that.
And I’m cool with how it worked out, even if would have stayed at #12 getting excited about who we take.
And for sure it is all about who joins the team. Who can argue with that one? We just don’t know who they are yet.
we will get a great player at 6 no matter what, i would’ve stayed at 12 and kept next years 1st rnder.
And a great player is what the trade-up hopefully bought. Would have stayed at #12 too. Think either Smith or Waddle would have been there. And maybe Parsons as well. One of them plus a first rounder sounds good to me.
That wasn’t an option in this trade. It was a three team trade, why is that so hard to understand? We didn’t want to be at #12. The 49ers were the team that provided the draft capital, not us. This trade doesn’t happen without the Eagles.
We act like a 3rd next year is worth nothing and a 1st in 2023 doesn’t exist. I almost feel like some of you are looking for the negative.
All this said, we might be just fine staying at #6.
It’s not being negative, just the facts based on how GMs view draft picks.
You’ve had an issue with the trade from the beginning
From the stories sounded like the Phins were making the deal with the Niners and then started working with the Eagles. Were the Niners insisting on our trade up with the Eagles? San Fran got nothing out of the trade up.
there will be at the very least 3 QBs off the board before us, that leaves two non QB picks in front of us at the most.
you would have to think Sewell, Pitts & Chase, one of them will be there,
there may be a 4th QB taken in front of us, that would leave two of the three there at 6.
they may just want Smith at 6 due to the chemistry between he and Tua.
I think the Bengals go Chase
If you had bought Microsoft stock on March 19th, like the pelosi’s did you could’ve doubled your money
Was Mar 19 a significant date? It’s in my index though….. so glad to hear.
It’s when her husband’s option came due and when another stock they bought was on first day of trading.
They’re supposed to report any trades over 1k, sounded like they didn’t and may be in some trouble, maybe even insider trading, but we know how that goes for politicians
Haven’t caught the news on that. Will be interested to read about it.
Now have read a story. They (mainly her rich husband) cashed in some stock options. Reason hit the news was cause listed on a public disclosure form. Not sure what you are smelling here.
Tim Knight says:
April 13, 2021 at 3:31 pm
We disagree on this. A 3rd and a late round pick never adds up to a 1st round pick. Do NFL front offices use some different kind of math? How would a prospect at #65 at best and say a 7th in the 200’s ever equal a #32 at worst? We also got a 3rd next year so not following your thinking here at all.
There was an article out last week that I posted here about future trade compensation. It said, GMs around the league view a future pick as the 18th pick in the current draft 1 round later.
This article made sense, so I’m going by this value, since we’ve all heard this in the past, but didn’t hear the part about the 18th pick
1 round sooner not later, so if you want rd 2 50 this year give me your 1st next
How do they come up with that? They don’t even know what kind of talent will be available in future years. The reason we could do this trade is because of how much draft capital we have in 2021. Not every team could make this trade.
Last year we stayed put and drafted #5 and #18 and then traded down from #26 to #30. It’s about the prospects you like.
Of course if we don’t become a competitor sooner than later after having all of this draft capital the last two years, Grier and Flores will be gone.
Who knows how they came up with it. Why does it matter, it’s just what they use.
Philly’s GM calls Tim to make a trade, he says I’ll give you 5 1st round picks starting in 2021-2025 for #3.
Tim says I can’t make that trade, because I don’t know what talent will be available the next 4 years
That’s still just a benchmark though. Obviously the Jets first round pick next year is worth more than the Chiefs…… even if the exact positions still not known.
stangerx says:
April 13, 2021 at 4:29 pm
From the stories sounded like the Phins were making the deal with the Niners and then started working with the Eagles. Were the Niners insisting on our trade up with the Eagles? San Fran got nothing out of the trade up.
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Once the 49ers came calling for #3, we asked the Eagles if they’d be willing to move out of #6 and go to #12, they said yes. We didn’t want to be at #12. I don’t think the trade happens without the Eagles.
It most likely would not have happened without what we got from the Niners……. just not sure why the Niners cared. Or are you saying we wouldn’t have done the deal without the trade up deal in place? If so then the Phins never wanted to be at #12, but ORob and I were saying wish we’d stayed there. But then don’t run the team either.
BREAKING: Medical Examiner Says George Floyd Should Have Been Ruled An Overdose
Regardless of reality, if the book is not thrown at Derek Chauvin, cities are going to burn again and innocent people will be harmed and killed again. We know that reality will happen. We’ve already seen it. That’s where we are in 2021.
What’s up with that? He finished his testimony days ago. Was the ME called back on the stand?
Okay I’ve exhausted this conversation. We still have premium draft capital this year and in the future and I like it! LOL
Edge rusher is not top shelf this year but there is some depth. WR is top shelf and also has depth. OL has some top shelf and some depth. RB is good not great. Take the best of what you need when you can match value.
If we don’t make the playoffs this year, Grier and Flores are on notice in 2022. If we fail that year they’ll be gone.
I’d give Flores time to figure it out, even if it takes a couple more years
That’s what I said. We have to compete for a championship in the next two years or it’s been a failure.
we did the deal with the niners, regardless of the philly deal, we had an option to stay put at 12 or trade with philly for 6. maybe both deals worked in unison, who knows except for the F.O.
that really doesn’t matter, I would’ve definitely done the niners deal without philly in place.
I would have kept both 1st rnders and stayed at 12 for the time being unless another deal came up that was too good to pass up.
what’s better getting a player at 6 or getting a player at 12 and having two 1st rnders next year?
not sure the drop off from 6 to 12 is significant enough to warrant a 22 1st rnder
I’m at least gonna he checking out whether whoever we take at 6 is our 2022 first rounder better than who is there at #12. But hey — we pick a stud will probably forget about it.
You still don’t get the deal. That’s not what we wanted to do and that’s not how the deal went down. We wanted to be at #6 not #3 or #12. Why would we do it otherwise? Oh right because ORob would have now after the fact.
So now Pitts, Chase, Sewell or someone else is not significant? You can get just as good at #12, That’s not what you said earlier.
how do you know what “we” wanted to do? you state that as a matter of fact. nobody knows what “we” wanted to do except for “we”.
I’m just speculating as are you.
Team obviously wanted to be at #6 instead of #3 or #12. Only Q is if that was the right decision. Wouldn’t have done the trade up to #6, but that’s just me and 100% sure we could have stuck at #12. We chose to do the Eagles deal.
Uhmmmm… let me think about that. That’s what we did.
So are you saying we made these trades because that’s not what we wanted to do? I know I always order food I don’t want to eat just because. LOL
watch SN 15 cryo test, bitch is snorting like a dragon.
Tim Knight says:
April 13, 2021 at 5:19 pm
So now Pitts, Chase, Sewell or someone else is not significant? You can get just as good at #12,
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you don’t know that, you could get someone in the 6th rnd better than all 3, see tom brady
Right!!! So now what? 4 picks in the top 50 is now about hoping for a 6th round pick becoming a hall of fame guy, seriously?
That can happen but it’s rare.
how rare is it for the #12 over all or a 22 1st for one to become a hall of famer, that’s the real question. great value always doesn’t reside in the top 6.
Tim
the deal with the niners had to be done first, i’m sure at some point they had the choice of staying put at 12 or moving up to 6, and i’d bet it wasn’t an easy decision.
given that situation i would not have given up that 1st rnder to move to 6, obviously they must have a player they really want because they did move up. but you can bet it wasn’t an easy decision.
That said i’m just wondering what the bottomline of that decision is, was it a good move or a bad one,
you act like this is what good GMs & HCs do, that was a no brainer, status quo,
hell yeah let’s give philly a 1st rnd pick to move up 6 spots.
where as i question that move, and want to weigh that decision, I don’t like that move as of right now.
i don’t think who we could have got at 12 and with next years first combined is worth the player that will be there at 6, i don’t see dan marino in this years draft.
I understand, but that trade doesn’t happen without the way it went down. It’s as simple as that. The 1st that went to the Eagles was part of the deal. It was never our pick. It was the 49ers pick. Move on, that was the trade. We gave up nothing.
Are you saying we could not have just traded with the Niners and stuck at #12 if we wanted?
That’s exactly what he’s saying, the niners refused to give us the 22 first unless we gave it to philly, LOL
they didn’t get the niners pick, they got ours
Tim Knight says:
April 13, 2021 at 4:06 pm
That wasn’t an option in this trade. It was a three team trade, why is that so hard to understand?
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how do you know there wasn’t an option, you state something as a matter of fact. there would have to be an option, stand pat or trade with philly.
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Tim Knight says:
April 13, 2021 at 6:09 pm
Uhmmmm… let me think about that. That’s what we did.
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your making a statement then backing it up with what we did, so i’m asking how do you know “we” didn’t have options?
because of what we did?
but that doesn’t mean we didn’t have options.
it wasn’t a 3 team trade, SF & Philly were not part of a 3 team trade, we traded with SF, we then traded with Philly, we gave philly our 22 first to move up, we still have SF 22 first
Correct we executed 2 trades back to back. The first trade was not contingent upon the 2nd trade
Yes it was.
here we go again!
And the only possible in there is we might not have done the San Fran trade without knowing the Eagles one would happen cause we really wanted to be high up in the draft. We’ll never know on that one.
exactly, but i find it hard to believe we wouldn’t do the SF deal without philly, that was a great deal, as for the philly deal, that kind’ve sucked
OMG guys, that was the trade. If we wanted to stay at #3 we could have. If we wanted to stay at #12 with a 1st in 2022 and 2023 we could have. That’s not what we wanted to do. You make it seem like we got railroaded. We controlled the trade because we had #3. It’s not that complicated. We were fine at #6.
At the end of the day we chose to trade back from #3 to get #6 and acquire a 3rd in 2022 and a 1st in 2023. That’s it! We still have two 1’s, two 2’s and a 3rd n 2021. We gave up nothing and acquired future picks.
The 49ers are the team that better be right, not us.
Tim Knight says:
April 13, 2021 at 4:06 pm
That wasn’t an option in this trade. It was a three team trade, why is that so hard to understand?
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Tim Knight says:
April 13, 2021 at 6:45 pm
OMG guys, that was the trade. If we wanted to stay at #12 with a 1st in 2022 and 2023 we could have.
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OK i understand……..I think?
Oh right… I’m sorry, we swapped a 4th for a 5th this year. Yeah that was the big mistake. Really? LOL
That could be a huge mistake, see Tom Brady
So i assume what you’re saying Tim is that had it not been for Philly giving up the 6th pick we would not have traded with SF and stood at 3.
so my question is, how do you know that to be fact?
because that’s what we did?
what if philly doesn’t want to make that trade, how do you know we still wouldn’t do the SF trade?
We traded with SF then we traded with the Eagles. There was nothing about the SF trade that required us to trade with Eagles. They were 2 separate trades
correct
one could say due to the different locals that we didn’t have “standing” there though.
Not how standing works. Now I can charge you my hourly fee for a consultation
i’ll send you a check
I am in Florida I will come by and pick it up
You’ve helped me in the past and i do appreciate your advice
Ahhh… yeah it was. Did you read about how the trade happened?
Read a bunch of articles….. but guess not the ones you did.
As fast as those deals happened , our FO was definitely in hypothetical discussions with Philly about moving back up while still dealing with SF… so not exactly contingent upon each other , nor a three team deal … BUT good chance it wouldn’t have been done by our FO without the Philly trade …. JMHO
Exactly
But to ORob’s point and to which I agree I would have preferred no trade with Philly
another reason why we wanted to move to 6 could be;
there are 5 first rnd QBs,
it’s pretty certain that the first 3 will be taken 1 thru 3,
what does Atlanta do at 4? best case scenario, they take a non QB player.
we know Cincy isn’t taking a QB, I doubt they trade out of that spot either. not their MO
that leaves Miami with two QB prospects on the board at 6, who wants a trey lance or justin fields?
Miami could possibly trade out of six depending on who’s there at 6
Mel Kiper mocks us trading up to 4 with Atlanta to draft Pitts
I had seen that, and has us taking Paye at 18
I like Pitts but not sure how I feel about Paye
Denver needs a QB, let’s go to 9, take broncos #40 and a 3rd next year?
if you figure we gave up next years 1st rnder to move to 6, a deal with the broncos, chargers or pats would have to be pretty sweet to move back, both broncos and pats are qb hungry, chargers may want sewell to protect the guy we should have drafted last year.
I’d be willing to bet boku bucks we’re not trading up with our first pick
not for Pitts anyway, i believe he will be there at 6
LOL I give up! Go Phins!!!!
Rob – not for ANYONE!
Ja’Marr Chase @ 6
Bengals will get him
They have to draft Sewell if they want Burrow to make it to 25
Name your top 6 prospects including QBs? Oh the horror!!! LOL
Would it be weird if I said only one QB should go top 6 this year?
Gotta love Manitoba… last weekend sitting in yard in shorts and a Tshirt .. today we snowblowed the driveway 🤷♂️
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Miami being at #6 could be the worst thing they ever did. The beat writers love to rail on this team. LMAO!!!!
WOW!!!!!
Nailed it
6: R1 P6 TE Kyle Pitts – Florida
18: R1 P18 LB Micah Parsons – Penn State
36: R2 P4 EDGE Joseph Ossai – Texas
50: R2 P18 RB Javonte Williams – North Carolina
81: R3 P17 WR Amon-Ra St. Brown – USC
156: R5 P12 DL Tedarrell Slaton – Florida
231: R7 P3 S Mark Webb – Georgia
258: R7 P30 C Michal Menet – Penn State
That would work.
Guys, let me try to smooth this out with y’all…
1) It was NOT a “3-team trade” with us, the 49ers, and the Eagles
2) Like ORob, I WISH we would have sat @ R1P12 after the trade with the 49ers, but here comes point 3…
3) The timing… as in, how quickly the trades went down, is indicative that we had zero intention of staying put @ R1P12, and we probably already had an agreement with the Eagles to trade up from 12 to 6, should the 49ers agree to the first trade from 3 to 12
M, the Dolphins made both trades in a very short time span so for all intent and purposes it was orchestrated by us with both teams at the same time. It’s obvious we wanted to get back up from 12. That was our intent, so why would you think otherwise?
That’s what I just said, Bro! I think you need to re-read what I posted! LOL 😀
That is, unless we disagree on the terminology of a “3-team trade”. Being the 49ers and Eagles had absolutely nothing to do with each other in the two separate and independent trades, ya can’t call it a “3-team trade”.
YES… we had clearly made a deal with the Eagles if we were to make a trade with the 49ers. hence it occurring so quickly that day.
Perhaps it’s semantics we’re disagreeing on, nothing more.
The 3 pts are what happened, Mike’s post is saying the same thing basically.
Tim, you’re all over the place on this,
Tim Knight says:
April 13, 2021 at 4:06 pm
That wasn’t an option in this trade. It was a three team trade, why is that so hard to understand?
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Tim Knight says:
April 13, 2021 at 6:45 pm
OMG guys, that was the trade. If we wanted to stay at #12 with a 1st in 2022 and 2023 we could have.
First you said it was a 3 team trade, then you said, we could’ve stayed at 12, which is what Orob said, that you previously said we couldn’t do.
Tim give it up already on this trade. The day it happened you came late and seemed misinformed, and nothing has changed
Your #1 point was the opposite of what Mike and I are saying but you’re also trying to say you agree at the same time. Two different different things.
i remember last year, some folks were saying the Fins will have to trade up from 5 , if they have their hearts set on getting Tua
they were wrong, it worked out.
Falcons will take a QB IMO< and Bengals will take Chase, but no matter how it plays out, we will get Pitts at 6, OR Sewell, Waddle, or Smith at 6
if we trade back up with Atlanta, it will likely cost us next years number one pick.'
is Pitts worth that? he might be, but theres a good chance he will be there at 6, no need to panic and give the picks to atlanta IMO
David, NOBODY was going to trade up for Tua last year (especially us sitting @ R1P5), being he was less than 6 months removed from what could have been a career-ending injury.
The situation is very different this year… can’t compare last year to this year while citing Tua as some kind of example.
But all-in-all, I DO agree with ya: we’re not going to trade back up to R1P4 at this point. That’s the silly Count Kiperla just being himself.
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coins like doge coin are up 2200 percent since January 1 2021
Doge started out as a Meme coin, had no real value and it morphed into a real currency for nations that have currency issues.
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i try not to mention it TOO many times, but its possible with as little as $500 to make a years salary, or much more in just a couple of weeks!
YES… we had clearly made a deal with the Eagles if we were to make a trade with the 49ers. hence it occurring so quickly that day.
This is what was reported to have taken place. We weren’t trading with SF, unless the Eagles were trading with us.
We had both deals in place, before the SF trade took place
Look at it this way. We had three 1st round picks in 2020. We have two this year in 2021. If we had two in 2022 and two in 2023, that’s 9 1st round picks in 4 years. Most of those contracts are fully guaranteed with 5th year options and then you have to pay top performers along the way. It’s not just about Grier and Flores, they have cap people saying we can’t do that. We need to spread it out a bit. So now we’re at 8 1st round picks since 2020. Don’t be surprised if we trade another one to make a move for a player this year or next year.
agreed, also the extra pick in 2023, will give us a couple more years to evaluate the 2020-22 draft classes, and see what We need
Yes if Tua isn’t the answer, in 2023 we can combine two 1st round picks to move up for a QB. But we better already have a good overall team by then or a new regime will be hired. Grier has made moves for now and the future for the franchise regardless.
No cap people are saying that, if we were just given 2 1sts every year it would be awesome.
Tua costed 5.5m last year and 6.9 this year, the #6 this year is about the same, but pick 18 is a lot less Jackson last year was 2.5 and 3.1 this year, about what we’re paying STs guys
Those contracts are basically guaranteed in full. Then you have to pay Baker, Gesicki and on and on if players pan out. It adds up.
What if Tua is awesome the next two years? He’ll be looking for a new big deal in 2023. That’s how it works.
OK, but what does any of that have to do with having too many 1sts?
Guaranteed in full isn’t exactly a reason to be concerned.
Jackson at 18 has a 4 yr 13.6m contract 3.4m per year isn’t going to break the bank.
We were bad in 2019, so we had a #5 pick, this yr after trades #6, I don’t see any future top 10 picks any time soon, but even those are reasonable good contracts
A trade up to #4.
Atlanta gets: #6, #50, #81, #231 and a 2022 3rd or 4th round pick.
Miami gets: #4 (Pitts or Chase) and Edge Dante Fowler
We still have #18 and #36 as well. Dante Fowler is exactly what we’re looking for on the Edge.
You’re so worried about the guaranteed money of rookies, yet you want to trade for a high priced DE, that feasted off of Donald
pheloniusphish says:
April 13, 2021 at 8:31 am
Krishna – Don’t want you to miss this.
https://quillette.com/2020/06/11/racist-police-violence-reconsidered/
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Thank you, read it, and responded last night, but for some reason the blog said I had to be logged in. I thought for sure I was logged in…..lol. Couldn’t figure out to get it to post.
Anyway, from what I remember from last night. the article addressed the disproportionate number of black deaths by “power policing”. It is a statistic that is very real. Is it racism according to the article? TBD….which I think is hard to know. So fair enough, considering the many variables, from poverty to criminal behavior to violence, it’s at best TBD or indeterminate according to the article.
Prejudice/Racism exists in every culture, ethnic group or religion, including our policing. I don’t believe it’s disproportionate in the police community to any other group.
It’s a fact of life, imo, and I wish we were a more evolved global and intelligent species so we could get past that. Certainly not in my lifetime…..lol.
Perhaps if more white people were shown getting killed by police, more might be done to help the police and the communities they serve and protect.
I just can’t get past the idea that being shot, especially in the back, or strangled for a nonviolent “crime” is an acceptable form of policing. Ever. That’s my hang up.
It worked! Ha!
Oh shit, that’s a book…now D territory….lol, sorry D.
Glad you read it and I agree that prejudice exists in all cultures. While being shot for a non-violent crime is no bueno, it is also rarely the fault of the police entirely. Like the racism question there are many variables. Making an arrest is always stressful and dangerous. Resisting arrest multiplies that a thousand times. Take MN situation…dude was wanted for armed assault. Cops know this and they want to go home to their families too. Everybody involved is running on adrenaline and fear. Floyd was high…cops don’t know what he is going to do or is capable of…not like he was thinking rationally. I’ve seen dudes on PCP snap handcuffs. They ignore tasers. Yet the demagogues like Talib and AOC are telling people to resist and to disrespect the law and others in general. Riot when bad things happen. You want a military state? This is how you get it. Because the alternative is, in the words of Bill Maher, living “The Purge” every night.
Anyway, good take on the article and, despite the D-ness of your response, I think it was rational and reasonable.
M – Sorry, had to run last night. I guess you can say semantics, but it’s clear we were dealing with both teams at the same time with a clear intent to move out from #3, and then get back up to #6, so whether you want to call it a 3 team trade or not is irrelevant, the trades were coordinated, not done singularly as if we flip flopped on what we wanted to do, like oh shit, we went back too far, fuck, I hope we can find a team that wants to trade back now. That’s what I’m saying and I believe Tim is too.
LOL. Both you and Tim are so dumb. I can’t believe you are referring to a trade involving 3 teams is a 3 team trade. What a couple of maroons.
LOL!
Right? Especially when it has been reported that they had a deal to move back up with philly before they had one to move back with the 9’ers!
it’s amazing how this crap gets twisted, who cares what happened behind the scenes, a 3 team trade would involve 3 teams, players or picks going thru all 3 teams, SF didn’t have any dealings with philly, therefore it wasn’t a 3 team trade.
none of that really matters though, all i was saying is i would not have went back to 6, i would stay at 12 and keep my 22 first. i think we way over paid philly.
i was simply weighing the trade.
what would you rather have, the player at 6 vs the player at 12 and another 1st rnd talent the next year.
just because miami had their ducks in a row doesn’t make it a 3 team trade.
Here’s something that puzzles me…When talking about the possibility of trading Howard, everyone, talking heads and bloggers, says Miami would only get 2nd round picks or lower for him. Yet the Jags got two firsts plus for Ramsey who Howard outplayed. Now who here wouldn’t take two firsts plus for Howard?
Makes no sense. His value couldn’t be higher than it is now after last season. He has to be worth two 1st RD picks
Exactly
rarely the police fault? like that 26 year cop that yellled taser taser taser, then shot the suspect with a gun? oops? not their fault, sure, SMH
call it like it is, they screw up royally almost every day !!
and US citizens pay the price with their lives
If a cop pulls you over and commands you to do something like stay in the car, do you get out of the car? This is so frequently overlooked and dismissed. Do you listen and follow commands or do you just get up out of your car and ignore them? Fault lies to both parties, and the officer clearly mistook her firearm for her taser. She admitted as much and apologized and turned in her badge and gun.
See this is why you remain the village idiot. The sentence was “rarely the fault of the police entirely.” Because it referenced the resisting part as well. But dopes like you with limited (non-existent) ability to understand nuance can only focus on one thing. Limited capacity.
could we trade X?
quite possible, he wants a new contract, i’m sure there’s tension because he’s not the highest paid CB on the team.
do we restructure, make him work out the contract he signed or trade him.
at least one of the above will happen.
i doubt he continues status quo. would be too negative
we either rework his deal or trade him.
Agree one of the two must happen. Just questioning the perceived trade value.
we could trade him for another player, say an odel beckham. then draft surtain
Ugh…Not Beckham. Then we would have to take Landry back. Seriously, Beckham is expensive and too much drama and coming off an ACL. I doubt he’ll be the same.
actually it was a four team trade that included a gas mask!
by some’s way of thinking we would have to include Houston in that deal as well because that’s where we got the pick to give to SF for their pick to give to philly.
i hope that adds to the confusion
True based on the loose definition of a multi player trade above.
Bottomline is you said we could’ve stayed at 12, Tim said no, M13 said same as Orob, Mike said mostly the same thing, Tim then flip flopped and said we could’ve stayed at 12, after arguing to the contrary.
Tim, you’ve been slipping into the David realm, since this trade happened. Serious question are you sure you’re OK?
That’s pretty uncalled for and greatly out of the realm of reality, even for you.
Fanside actually has something, that isn’t too far out there, that I agree with.
We have heard that Atlanta is fielding calls for the 4th overall spot and if they do trade that pick, Miami won’t likely have a chance to drop down in a trade. We have looked at that before. If Atlanta wants too much for four and gets stuck using that pick, Miami needs to be open to moving down.
Atlanta, presumably, would draft Kyle Pitts. It is widely speculated that the Bengals would draft either Penei Sewell or more likely Ja’Marr Chase. If both Pitts and Chase are off the board at six, Grier has to be ready to get out that draft spot
And we win either way, more picks, cap savings and Waddle/Smith/Parsons or Pitts/Chase
For me, if we stay at 6, with Pitts and Chase gone, it would be the same mistake as staying at 3, so for all the same reasons we got out of 3, we should get out of 6
Why do you trade Howard
Just let him play out his contract. If he leaves via free agency you get comp picks anyway
We need all the firepower we have for as long as we can to make a run
We have picks in the next couple of drafts
We don’t need to add more picks by trading away our best players
Maybe by 2024 we want more picks. For now though we can hang on to our best players
As was suggested above, if he plays with the status quo contract he may not be that motivated.
I’m more in line with what you just wrote, I don’t want him traded, but would be OK giving him a new contract, if it wasn’t too much more.
If you’re going to dump a CB dump Jones.
The problem is people just throw BS out there without looking at the dead cap, neither guy is going anywhere, because of it
Atlanta sending 3 reps to the OSU Fields pro day II. Would be nice to see him in Atlanta
It’s been reported, that Chase, Waddle and Smith would all be playing in the slot, if we drafted them.
It makes sense with Parker and Fuller on the outside, so I’m going to assume this would be the starting lineup.
Chase would seem like the best fit being a tough guy, Waddle and his speed would be dangerous, Smith playing against opponents #3 CB would never be covered and wouldn’t have to worry about getting off the line.
Pitts, if he was the pick at 6 would see some time there too, as would Gesicki.
Any way you look at it we should get a new/old best friend for Tua
Knew about Smith, but not that the other two could play slot. That’s good news. Didn’t like the thought of a #6 stud WR who is less than a full-time starter.
In Waddle’s highlight reel it say in 2020 he was moved outside some, mostly it showed him lining up in the slot
Good article from Cameron Wolfe
https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/mia/miami-dolphins
I like the way he gives his best case scenario, then discusses the other options.
Rousseau was mentioned for pick 36, I’d trade back a few spots at 18 and take Harris, Williams or Etienne, if I knew Rousseau was going to be there at 36
DeVonta Smith at 6′ 170lbs is smaller than Warfield’s 6′ 188lbs, and isn’t as fast, but he sure resembles him in smoothness.
These type of players play faster than they are, because they don’t have waisted movements, they get from pt A to pt B in a blink.
Warfield was distinguished by his athleticism. He was fast and explosive, a champion long jumper, but also graceful and precise. He was also intelligent and studious, a surgical route-runner. He timed his jumps perfectly, which is critical for downfield receivers, since defenders often arrive before the ball does.
That’s what I’m comparing Smith to, and mostly this
graceful and precise. He was also intelligent and studious, a surgical route-runner. He timed his jumps perfectly
I don’t think Smith ran the 40, Warfield was 4.5, but a different era, both sneaky fast. Smith was supposed to be in the 4.5 range
Smith is actually my favorite of all the wideouts, except for the breakage risk. Like the beautiful X-Mus toy a parent suspect will be broken by Easter.
He played in 39 games the last 2 years. Parker bigger and stronger was hurt more.
He has such a smooth body control that he avoids those big hits.
Gronk was big He was always hurt.
Bigger guys have more to hit, elusive guys are harder to hit.
I’m not all in on Smith, but the slight frame shouldn’t be a concern
6′ 1″ 170. It’s just a real strange build for an NFL player. He’s had 4 years in the Bama weight room to put more meat on his bones.
Maybe he’s playing at his ideal weight. Make the catch, get what you can and get down or OOB
Very well might be his ideal playing weight. Figured never gonna outmuscle them and adding extra muscle weight cuts down on my speed, which is where I am better.
“According to Matt Miller, he is hearing around the league that the Dolphins head coach loves Penn State linebacker, Micah Parsons.” (via Brian Miller)
Some folks here really like Parsons, even if think he won’t go at #6. But we could still get him. He might be there at #18, even if unlikely, but we could also move up at lock him down for sure.
How much is that worth? A 3rd? One of our 2nds?
I’m with the group, like Omar and Hyde, that believe the only thing you hear in the 2 weeks leading up to the draft, especially from Flores, is just what the team wants you to think.
By saying they like Parsons it might con some other team into feeling safe we take him at 6, instead of Pitts or Chase
steveccnv says:
April 14, 2021 at 9:38 am
“The problem is people just throw BS out there without looking at the dead cap, neither guy is going anywhere, because of it.”
There certainly is some BS thrown out there. Howard’s dead cap if he was traded:
PRE-6/1 TRADE
2021 Dead Cap: $4,200,000
2021 Cap Savings: $9,300,000
POST-6/1 TRADE
2021 Dead Cap: $1,400,000
2022 Dead Cap: $2,800,000
2021 Cap Savings: $12,100,00
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/xavien-howard-18986/
Cracker Jacks wants their Jr. Capologist Decoder Ring back.
Must’ve read it wrong.
If Howard is on the roster on the 5th day of the 2020 league year he will have his 2021 salary fully guaranteed.
His dead money shows over 16m, but looks like that’s just for being cut, if traded th new team would have to pick up this guaranteed 2021 contract and we’re still on the hook for 4.2m.
You are are correct sir
Lol…But I had to bust your balls😁
It goes back to the discussion we had awhile ago about the acquiring team picking up the balance of the existing contract.
To answer Piggy’s question, i don’t think you trade Howard unless he is going to ask for too much or be disgruntled. The question was perceived value. If he is going to ask for too much or be disgruntled, now is the time to trade him while his value is at its highest.
I think you redo Howards contract, after all he earned it, you have to be careful what kind of message you send thru that locker room.
he is the best CB on this team shouldn’t he be the highest paid CB on this team?
short term you probably save on the cap with a signing bonus.
long term the cap should increase.
trading him would probably send the wrong message.
I’d tell him lets see how your seasons goes and we’ll get you a redo after it if you play like in the last one. He’s still one of the highest paid CBs in the league even if Jones makes more cause he signed after.
He’s been injured quite a bit too, but I’d still resign him
I agree
The message you send is we’re willing to work with an elite player, the rest of you better stay in line😉
We can easily push the cap hit forward, with the new TV contract, the cap will skyrocket in 2 years I believe
i’m pretty sure if they don’t redo his deal this will be his last season in miami if he plays at all.
He’s already asked for his contract to be reworked.
I think it’s either you trade him or give him a new contract
We were talking about this two days ago.
Will Fuller plays slot. Pitts, Parker, Fuller, Gasecki yeah that makes sense.
They fit in 12 personnel, they also fit with one in the slot and one inside on the other side, so 4 wrs Parker and Preston outside Gesicki and Pitts inside off the line
I’m talking about viewing Pitts as a WR. Remember my quiz?
3rd and long, you put your 5 best receivers on the field, 2 inside and 2 outside, with Gesicki lined up as a TE. 4wrs would be outside Parker, and Preston, inside Fuller and Pitts.
I see though what he’s saying, but what other teams view Pitts as has nothing to do with us playing him at TE
Maybe they don’t fit, but imagine trying to defend those 5
Forgot all hail M13….. still just what Mike Tannenbaum said though. 🙂
I think the WR narrative for Pitts is pushed for $$ purposes, WRs make more than TEs,
Pitts fits very well in our Offense as Gesicki will demand big $$ in 22. I doubt he’s a dolphin in 22
We don’t even have Pitts yet (and probably won’t). Seems a bit early to doubt that we keep Gesicki. And even if Pitts comes we still may, especially if he is playing WR.
Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo
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The NFL has laid out its plan for a three-phase offseason program. From a memo to teams today:
Apr 19-May 14: All virtual meetings, weight rooms open
May 17-21: No contact on-field drills allowed, meetings still virtual
May 24-June 18: Ten OTA days plus a mandatory minicamp
Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo
The NFLPA has been pushing for an all-virtual offseason with no on-field work. The sides have been talking for weeks. The NFL is offering reduced testing/contact tracing/ability to gather away for vaccinated players but that must be part of an agreement with the union.
Field Yates
@FieldYates
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2h
The Browns now have the number one pick from 3 drafts in 5 years on their roster:
2014: DE Jadeveon Clowney
2017: DE Myles Garrett
2018: QB Baker Mayfield
Clowney doesn’t make them much better but to me the Browns are a team in the cusp of being serious contenders
I like Mayfield more than a lot of other people…
Landry has been very good for them (i miss Landry 😢)
Clowney doesn’t have to do much but take advantage of anything Garrett creates
Mayfield looked like he was going to be all world as a rookie but ever since then he has been mediocre. He has a dominant running game and was still mediocre
Mayfield was good late last yr when they went on their run at the end
we are entering year 3 of the Flores/Grier regime, we haven’t made the playoffs yet under these so-called geniuses, I think they better step up this year.
Taking Tua last year could be their downfall, especially if we go 8-8 or worse.
Progression of entire team has been nothing but over the last season and a half
I agree however we had a QB over that time as well.
And now we have a better one 😁
after watching Tua last year you should brace yourself for a less than great season, i’m thinking regression. they probably have 2 more years to contend but having a losing record this year will definitely jeopardize their job security.
https://tenor.com/view/over-and-over-again-repetitive-repeating-constant-gif-11565394
https://tenor.com/view/over-and-over-again-repetitive-repeating-constant-gif
Did i mention Tua sucks?
LOL….
I don’t think you have…today
what’s more important, getting a bonafide edge guy @ 18, getting williams in the 2nd rnd or taking harris @ 18 and the edge guy you want won’t be there in the 2nd?
Rousseau seems like he’s going to be there at 36, so I’d take Harris at 18
I think the fear is that if you don’t take a RB at 18, both Harris and Williams will be off the board
There are going to be good edge guys at 36
But when the picking are slim at one position, you have to make due, one way or another
This is great!
https://www.deseret.com/2021/4/13/22375628/new-york-jets-should-give-byu-quarterback-zach-wilson-a-break-nfl-draft
Hometown paper pleading with a team not to take their favorite QB. Could only happen to the Yets.
When I said, Wilson was going to be a bust, I didn’t consider the jets QB legacy
ORob — why you going after Flores and Grier? They are doing a great job. Tanking for Tua got us 5 wins. Last year was 10. Were you expecting playoffs during a rebuild? I was shocked we came darn close. Solid base on this team that is only going to get more so in a couple weeks.
The real fun begins this year, in seeing what the duo are made of, no Tua training wheels to fall back on.
It’s much harder to take this next step, and if the QB isn’t the right one, it’s not happening
Actually share ORob’s concerns about Tua , but there are 52 other players on the roster. And man are we young. Think they are building something that can keep chugging along year after year like the Pats and Steelers. Tua works out great. If he doesn’t don’t have to rebuild.
As do I. Think he’ll pull thru, but who knows.
Was watching DeVonta Smith highlights and they started showing Jones, then it switched to Tua and the ball coming out looked painful, oh that’s Tua I said to myself.
As much as I dislike Jones, at least he doesn’t have that awkward throwing motion
Aaron Rodgers has been the guest host of Jeopardy since last week Yesterday one Q was: “In the 1960s, these Midwesterners earned five NFL championship trophies.” Nobody got it.
Next Q someone answered Boston Celtics right. Rodgers said…. “”Oh, you know that one, huh?”
I saw the video, you could see it in his eyes, that was setup
What about Freiermuth
stangerx says:
April 14, 2021 at 3:16 pm
ORob — why you going after Flores and Grier?
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I’m not going after them, It’s their 3rd year, they need to produce results,
no matter what happens this year i believe they will be back for a forth, but you can bet that would be it without success.
when has a coach lasted more than 4 years without success on this team in recent years?
they better nail this draft and make the playoffs or they will be on the hot seat next year.
It’s the nature of the beast.
When a coach knows for sure he is gonna be back the next year I call that job security in NFL HC terms. Also think they could survive a Tua crash and burn.
Heh…
that was great!
Steve, I like to throw out different scenarios because we’re kind of at a stand still waiting for the draft. I don’t always think we will or should make some of the scenarios I put out there.
Tim, here is an argument for your guy Tevin Jenkins.
I did not realize he was a right tackle. Imagine him next to Hunt with Jackson/Kindley on the other side.
Yeah I like him as a prospect. I think he would help our OL go to another level.
I would take him at 50, but don’t think he’ll last that long. He’s got a nasty streak
I see him mocked in the late teens and 20’s.
stangerx says:
April 14, 2021 at 2:32 pm
Forgot all hail M13….. still just what Mike Tannenbaum said though. 🙂
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Don’t know about “all hail M13”, but I do know about “ALL HAIL MEGATRON”. And of the 4 players’ physical attributes I listed on the quiz without names, you selected… yup, MEGATRON (Calvin Johnson). We just came full circle, LOL.
And here’s a fun little fact for ya, Stanger, being I know you’re a Scooby-Doo fan (who isn’t?): Fred’s voice was done by Frank Welker… who also does the voice of Megatron (watch below)…
That’s a cool little fun fact about Fred also being Megatron. I never would have known that. Cheers
Cheers, my Brother!
Was giving you props on the call. And those measurements screamed “why isn’t Pitts a WR.” Still isn’t yet though.
That guys Jenkins is fun to watch
That early jump pointed out in that video is something else. I worry he will get undeserving false starts…lol
Also he is shutting down my guy Joesph Ossai in that clip
But FYI ~ Ossai had 3 sacks, 12 tackles and 1 forced fumble in that game. So he got the better of Jenkins if you ask me.
3:21; 4:15 and 6:14 for Ossai not looking so good cos Jenkins
Speaking of OL
Check out this small school who was pretty impressive at senior bowl
People are projecting him at center in the nfl not guard
I do have concerns about his ties to whitewater rafting….lol
Went to the college I almost attended, but didn’t.
Yeah he looked like a mountain man at his pro day. They showed some clips on NFLN.
Just get us a legit EDGE-rusher, to complement Ogbah.
Good stuff!
Thanks, Bro… thought a few of y’all could dig it. And I’m on a theme… the thumbnail image reads “master of disguise”. I’ve been talking MEGATRON: a robot in disguise… LOL.
Been a tough few months for pooches in our family. Lost cool as heck Laddy today. Was just fine yesterday, but started panting bad today . Passed suddenly about an hour after made a vet appointment for tmrw morning. He was in the range, but still hurts.
Cool little dude….a number of you guys met him.
Condolences for your loss, Stanger. Pets are family.
Thanks. And family he was…. don’t think would be married except for him.
Aww so sorry, Stanger. It’s tough to lose our furry family members.
What kind of dog was Laddy?
Sign on the window said miniature poodle, but sign was wrong. Best guess is a poodle/bijon mix. We never cared that we got ripped off.
Sorry to hear.
M13, the way we play defense with so many looks, we need to add speed even if the prospects we draft are not dominant Edge guys. This draft doesn’t have much elite for Edge but there is some depth with good prospects. The same with LBs, there is speed available.
I don’t disagree with anything you just said… but I really want to get Micah Parsons, just not @ R1P6.
Well you know I’ve been high on Parsons for months. I think he’s exactly what we need. I really believe he’s a guy we can move around in our multiple defense.
Sorry Stanger for your loss. Laddy was an awesome dog
Yeah he was…. and he knew it. 🙂
Aww sorry Stanger
Thanks Son. You bring the puppy into your life and comes with this day. Still sucks though.