Dolphins news, roster moves

After drafting Safety Jevon Holland with the 36th pick in the 2021 NFL Draft, that may have just sealed Bobby McCain’s fate as a Miami Dolphins player. Good Ole Bobby McCain spent the last 6 years with the Dolphins as a defensive back playing CB outside, quite a bit inside in the slot, and both safety spots, FS and SS. I always liked Bobby McCain but he doesn’t fir the Flores prototype, at 5’11, which I believe may be generous. I always defended him here, he played with a bad shoulder and always gave his all, so I appreciate what he did on the field for our team, even it wasn’t always top notch play.

After releasing Bobby McCain, Brian Flores plucked another familiar face off the FA scrapheap in former Patriots S Jason McCourty. McCourty will be 34 years old at the start of the 2021 season, so I’m not sure how much playing time he will get, but he’s a consummate professional who knows how to play the game, and his position. Jevon Holland can learn much from his professionalism and pick his brain so to speak. McCourty is a 12 year veteran who played 8 years with the Tennessee Titans who drafted him in the 6th RD of the 2009 Draft. He then played 1 season with the Cleveland Browns and the last 3 with the New England Patriots.

If you’re interested, here’s a partial listing of running backs available . . .

Todd Gurley

Kerryon Johnson

Rex Burkhead

Le’Veon Bell

T.J. Yeldon

D’Onta Foreman


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973 Responses to Dolphins news, roster moves

  1. pheloniusphish says:

    First and We don’t need no stinkin’ RB!

  2. stangerx says:

    Jason McCourty started 11 games for the Pats last year. Still some tread left on that tire.

  3. sb7mvp says:

    Kenyan Drake please! He’s just what we need to make the defenses respect this running game!

    • Mike E. says:

      I don’t disagree with you, but he actually outrushed both Gaskin and Ahmed last season, 955 yards to 903. 10 TD’s – 6 TD’s

    • stangerx says:

      Drake signed with the Raiders. Thought had heard he signed and yep he had.

      • Mike E. says:

        I was looking at the list wrong. I think about half the guys I listed aren’t actually FA’s. lol

      • stangerx says:

        You want a RB bad. Like the guy dying of thirst who sees an Oasis from the top of every hill. 🙂

  4. Phindog says:

    Fournette signed with TB.

  5. Mike E. says:

    Stanger – I wouldn’t hate a 1 YR deal with one of the guys above. There also might be some cuts, so there may be a few more guys that are available.

    • stangerx says:

      I would go all in on Gurley. He’s still so young. But guess comes down as always to the price. Like Bell the runner, but not Bell the person. He’s selfish and toxic. No way Flores goes for that.

      And like you say…. there will be cuts.

  6. ocalarob says:

    i’m thrilled with the prospect of our running game, i’m a huge malcom brown fan. and the beef up front.

    we will impose our will against opposing Ds

    • Mike E. says:

      Is it his less than 1200 yards over 6 seasons that excites you or his 4.0 YPC average?

    • stangerx says:

      What did you think about Jordan Howard when we signed him? Seems your type of guy as well.

      • ocalarob says:

        he didn’t perform, he’s not my type of back.
        it’s all in the numbers, what is the avg yards gained on 1st down less than 10 yards.

        if a RB can avg 4.0 yards per carry with that criteria we will contend.

        i have seen Brown run, he runs with great authority.

        still has to perform so we shall see.

        I’m not convinced we need another RB, certainly won’t be Gurley, this coach doesn’t like RBs over 6′ tall.

        we’re good at RB

      • stangerx says:

        Q was what you thought of Howard when we signed him, he had the numbers in his history then. But really was just making the point that you never know.

        With all the WR/Gesicki threats not as sure as you we need that bruiser. Spread out the D and that creates space for the smaller backs.

  7. Marinofan13 says:

    D says:
    May 7, 2021 at 11:56 am

    Depends on the purpose of the exercise. If its for a workout, yeah you are right, target is supposed to be the upper half of the pec controlled movement, in fact its best to not even touch the chest, stop just short.

    My workouts use to include halves and fulls, i called them 7’s because thats the number of reps i did of each. It was 7 half reps that were just locking outie half way down to full lock out of the elbows, then ones that were from just the chest to half way up, finishing with 7 fulls. You would more muscles in isolation if you do it that way. I also did my curls this way.

    Still when they do the competitions and are going for number of reps, they use the bounce to help extend their mucles and keep them from fatiguing. I don’t like it either, but if they did it more controlled, they wouldnt get as many reps.

    Another trick, just depending on the muscles you want to target, is to widen your grip. A lot of times my sets were also staggered, narrow wide narrow wide on my hand placement to get more chest on some and more tri and back on other.
    Agreed with all of the above.

  8. Marinofan13 says:

    D says:
    May 7, 2021 at 11:58 am
    Oh and those machine presses myight help prevent the bounce aspect, but they are not as realistic to strength as the free weights which show more of a total upper body strength, and not just specific muscle groups which the universal machines tend to isolate more.
    The way I see it, so long as everybody is graded on an equal level (without the free-weight ‘bounce’ cheat), I’m good with whatever measure used. I like the idea of a universal machine to that end, but I understand exactly what you’re saying.

  9. ocalarob says:

    Keep the D guessing, that’s the winning formula.

  10. Marinofan13 says:

    stangerx says:
    May 7, 2021 at 1:08 pm
    Here’s a Q — when we go with 4-3 will Phillips be at DE? And I’m not talking when he moves up pre-snap.
    I would think so, especially in 3rd and longs sits. In our ‘base’ 4-3 (for lack of better words…I know, we run a base 3-4), I’m not sure. I want to say yes, being he was pretty good at stopping the run at the collegiate level. We’ll see…

    • Tim Knight says:

      Phillips can do both and did in college.

      • Marinofan13 says:

        100% agreed, but I think(?) Stanger was wondering if he’s going to be a starter at DE for us in the 4-3, opposite Ogbah. I haven’t the answer, being Phillips is a rook.

        The hope would be YES, IMO… but he may not be up to the task as a rook on early downs. JMO

      • Tim Knight says:

        Oh. I don’t think it matters. It’s not so much about starting, it’s about snaps played.

    • steveccnv says:

      3rd and long we use no down DL everyone stands up amoeba D

      Don’t remember seeing much, if any, 4-3 on 3rd down

    • stangerx says:

      M13 — thanks for the answer but seems neither of us knows for sure. And could be with Phillips we use less 4-3 cause he can always move up and put his hand in the dirt. You have a 4-3 then.

      • Marinofan13 says:

        Yup! And I can all but guarantee ya, Phillips will be ready for full-time 4-3 DE duties by 2022, if that’s how we want to use him. It’s just a big leap from college to the pros… hence why I haven’t the answer for this year.

  11. ocalarob says:

    you are either running or passing on 2nd down, if you are in 2nd and 9, chances are the D knows you will be passing and they will play pass which makes it difficult to move the chains.

    if you are in 2nd and 5 and just powered up the middle for 5 yards on the ground the D has to play up and has no idea if it’s run or pass. they have to stop the run, opening lanes for our Waddle.

    it’s all about moving the chains and maintaining possession.

    it’s very hard to do when the D knows you have to pass. on the other hand if the play book is wide open it’s easier to move those chains.

    Football 101

    why do you think we’ve been drafting these heavy guards and power backs.

    • stangerx says:

      I’m all for running up the middle for 5 on every first down. But your set up was a one-yard gain on first down, which almost certainly was a run too. Seems the other option was failed pass and 2nd and 10. All for a better running game.

      • ocalarob says:

        kinda don’t know what your saying however, we won’t get 5 yards every time we run on 1st down, the key is to avg that.
        we won’t even run on first down all the time.

        early in the game you have to impose your will and run on 1st down,

        later in the game when things get out of hand you may abandon the run

      • stangerx says:

        Thought was pretty clear that all for five yards on first down — “I’m all for running up the middle for 5 on every first down. ” Includes averaging that. Big task is making that happen. Seems if you run every time on first the box is stuffed.

  12. ocalarob says:

    1st down is the most important down, if you can avg 4 yards on the ground on first down you will be a contender.

    this is the reason why we drafted Doaks, got Brown and drafted these huge OL. to impose our will on 1st down.

    • steveccnv says:

      Brown reminds me of Burkhead, not flashy, not great stats, can’t play him in fantasy football, but everytime you turn around he’s doing something, that pisses the other team off, because they can’t stop him

  13. ocalarob says:

    stangerx says:
    May 7, 2021 at 3:04 pm
    Q was what you thought of Howard when we signed him, he had the numbers in his history then. But really was just making the point that you never know.

    With all the WR/Gesicki threats not as sure as you we need that bruiser. Spread out the D and that creates space for the smaller backs.

    I’ve seen Brown run, was not a big fan of Howard as i didn’t watch him much, that said Brown could disappoint as well.
    it’s what they are trying to do that impresses me, getting Howard, Brown, Doaks and drafting our OL all equates to a power running game.

    as for Gesicki, he kills the run game as he can’t block.

    when he’s in there he telegraphs the play, D’s know we are passing.

    i believe that’s why we drafted the T.E.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if we traded Gesicki, i’m sure this is his last year in Miami.

    • Marinofan13 says:

      Gesicki became a much more proficient blocker for us last year… and that was during the COVID off-season. I wouldn’t write him off just yet.

    • stangerx says:

      Gesicki ain’t part of your run game for sure. Put up stats the other day and he only lines up on the line like 20% of the time at snap time (so post-motion). Someone has to cover him that can’t try to stuff the run though. Sometime two someones.

      • Marinofan13 says:

        This is also true.

        And seriously, I saw a breakdown of Gesicki’s improvement from 2019 to 2020, regarding his blocking prowess. He’s gotten much better, and he personally has stated that he is a willing blocker who seeks to improve his game in that regard.

  14. Tim Knight says:

    Why the hell would we trade Gesicki?

    • Marinofan13 says:

      I have NO idea, either! LOL

      • Marinofan13 says:

        ORob, apologies if that sounded mocking to you. I just can’t see trading or cutting Gesicki, AT ALL. He’s quite possibly the most consistent pass-catcher we have on the whole team. He’s a STUD.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I hope we re-sign him.

      • stangerx says:

        He’s in a contract year and we just drafted a TE in the 3rd. Whether trade or in the next FA period…. someone like Dan Snyder might want the next Kelce. Every player has their price.

    • steveccnv says:

      It’s what teams do, when they feel they can’t resign a player in the last year of a contract, cheats do it all the time

      • Tim Knight says:

        I hope that’s not the case with Gesicki.

      • Marinofan13 says:

        I hear ya Steve, but Gesicki is one helluva TE. I’d re-sign him.

      • steveccnv says:

        I agree, and would like to resign him too, but its a business and not just a cutest kitty thing, so play vs contract demand have to match

  15. Tim Knight says:

    As for the 4-3, I think we use it when we feel that’s the best alignment against certain formations or opponent. But no doubt we have transitioned into more of a LB based defense. And like Steve said, on 3rd and long we use that Amoeba look where the offense has no idea who’s doing what.

  16. Marinofan13 says:

    Tim Knight says:
    May 7, 2021 at 3:44 pm
    I hope we re-sign him.

    • stangerx says:

      I do as well, but what if another team offers him say $18 million? Or tmrw offers us 2 firsts?

  17. Marinofan13 says:

    I just looked up Mike Gesicki’s Catch Rate: 62.4%

    Don’t like it, but then I just recalled all the ‘hospital balls’ and errant passes (he got one finger on the ball) thrown his way. That’s a very misleading stat, Pro Football Reference. Do better.

  18. Mike E. says:

    We finally get that TE that can eat up a defense with his receiving skills in the seam and anywhere else and now we want to let him go? I don’t care what kind of offense you have, you want a TE like Gesicki!!!

    • bookman11 says:

      I agree. There are some players that actually do deserve a second contract. Not every player do we draft and then 3 years later draft their replacement. You have to keep some core players.

      That being said, it would be best to re-sign him before FA, Stanger has a point about someone opening up the bank for him.

    • stangerx says:

      Hope is we lock down Gesicki early, but there is always……

  19. Marinofan13 says:

    stangerx says:
    May 7, 2021 at 3:49 pm
    He’s in a contract year and we just drafted a TE in the 3rd. Whether trade or in the next FA period…. someone like Dan Snyder might want the next Kelce. Every player has their price.
    Yeah, I get all that… I do. But quite honestly, I’m NOT impressed with Hunter Long. Methinks we took him to add to our ‘Ace’ formation (that’s ’12-personnel’).

    In other words, I don’t believe we drafted Long to replace Gesicki… I believe we drafted Long to open up our Offense even MORE. I’d be more concerned with Long replacing Durham Smythe than anybody else.

    As for every player has their price… you are quite correct. We’ll cross that bridge when we come to it.

    • Marinofan13 says:

      stangerx says:
      May 7, 2021 at 3:52 pm
      I do as well, but what if another team offers him say $18 million? Or tmrw offers us 2 firsts?
      What if’s? All a possibility. We’ll cross that bridge when we come to it. I’d re-sign him NOW.

      • stangerx says:

        Could not be more of a Gesicki fan and hope we re-sign before he becomes a FA. Or if he hits FA that we sign him then. Just setting out the reality of it. Yeah there is a situation where would not keep him, and it is not even an unlikely one.

  20. Tim Knight says:

    We tend to look to replace someone every time we add someone. There is also such a thing as adding more talent and becoming a better and deeper team. Just saying.

  21. ocalarob says:

    The writing is on the wall for gesiki. Contract year. We drafted a te and he telegraph our position.

    • steveccnv says:

      At this point we’ve left our options open on him, come back or don’t. Gesicki gets to decide based on contract demand, but by drafting Long it puts us in a good negotiating position

    • stangerx says:

      No writing on the wall. But yeah a big reason to bring Hunter Long in might have been insurance as to what happens with Gesicki.

  22. ocalarob says:

    We need a gronk. Someone who can catch and block.

  23. Marinofan13 says:

    As for our RB situation… (!)

    I will forever go with MY model: 2 scat-backs and 2 power-backs… with a heavy preference that they all can receive fairly well, and at least 2 of the 4 can pass-protect fairly well.

    I’d love to sign Todd Gurley to a 1-year ‘prove it’ deal, and put him in our rotation. We have no need to have an every-down RB.

  24. ocalarob says:

    We either trade gesissy or dump smythe. I think we keep shaheen

  25. Tim Knight says:

    Or we keep a bunch of TEs because we like to play 12 personnel.

  26. ocalarob says:

    Right now scythe is the odd man out unless they can deal gesicki

  27. Marinofan13 says:

  28. stangerx says:

    FL Gov Ron DeSantis has forbidden businesses from asking about Covid status. World’s 3rd largest cruise line is thinking about no longer sailing out of Miami. Unless the Gov gives in this would crush the South Florida economy. And who is he to tell the cruise lines what to do? Miami is only one stop on the trips.
    During an earnings call on Thursday, Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings CEO Frank Del Rio threatened to take the company’s ships elsewhere if Florida won’t allow the company to require COVID vaccinations for passengers and crew.

    Coming days after DeSantis signed a bill that bans businesses, schools and government entities in Florida from asking anyone to provide proof of a COVID-19 vaccination, Del Rio’s remarks were a clear and public rebuke to the governor.

    • steveccnv says:

      Now the shoe is on the other foot and you don’t like it.

      Don’t remember you having a problem with the commie governors locking everything down, when there was no evidence to back it up

      • stangerx says:

        So you are for the end of the cruise industry in Florida? What was before was mitigation of virus spread are the measures these companies have adopted.

        Why do you take so much glee in this? Surely you know how important the Cruise industry is to Florida.

      • Marinofan13 says:

        I’m going to regret getting into this, but I feel Steve is 100% correct. Can’t have it both ways, and I tried to illustrate as much two nights ago.

        Furthermore, the CDC came out the other day and stated that there were ZERO (0%) reports of flu over the last year. However, the COVID reporting matched every single year of the flu — over the last 2 decades — including the death rate. Can’t make this stuff up, see.

        It’s a hoax, y’all. Look at the numbers, and tell me otherwise. Hey, I got a 4.0 at Penn State when it came to science and human biology… I’m not fooled by this ‘new science’, or whatever the fuck they want to call it. My contacts (who are to be respected), agree.

      • D says:

        I mean on one hand, i don’t think he has a right to tell the cruise industry what they do as far as safety measures to protect all passengers onboard. Seems like it shouldn’t apply to the cruise ship businesses. I can see not allowing it for some other business as its kind of a form of discrimination, but the cruise industry has a right to restrict it.

        People pretty much have to agree to it to take the trip so its not like its sprung on them last minutes when they get there. Restricting a leisure cruise is much different than say all grocery stores in and area saying you cant come in uless you have had your covid shots. Essential, etc i can see it, luxury cruise, no.

        There also really isn’t a solid line of control here, those companies leave out of some porta but they don’t necessarily operate out of that state. People go online to purchase tickets, or through a booking agent, were those Florida businesses? I don’t see the sphere of control here.

        Personally i hope they are as strict with their policing of people who get off at certain ports too. Not letting them take the cruise because they aren’t vaccinated and being cavalier about letting them off and do whatever the fuck they want to just because they are, seems pretty wishy washy. This vaccine still has not been vetted to prevent people from getting it and bringing it to others.

    • stangerx says:

      What is both ways? Why can’t you be for DeSantis keeping businesses open and against him closing down the Florida Cruise industry? Should he crush the economy cause the cruise lines want to do things their way? Last I checked the government wasn’t supposed to do that.

    • stangerx says:

      “This vaccine still has not been vetted to prevent people from getting it and bringing it to others.” — yes it has D. Are you saying the vaccines don’t work when large scale studies have shown 90+% effective? Also shown to stop spreading, even if more recently.

  29. D says:

    Anything predictable is bad, including running on 1st down. They key to obscuring what your doing is running different plays out of the same set. The lineup of players out of the same set just wipes away any advantage they might have. You watch and you will see the Pats, who are masters at this, have maybe 3 or for lineups and all their plays come out of those lineups. Its play camouflage and it works very well. Down and distance does also help the D guess better about what type of play, but even if they do, which of the 10 plays we run out of that lineup, run or pass will it be, they still cant get a bead on it with down and distance making it more likely to be one of the other.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I would think most teams do this.

      • steveccnv says:

        The cheats seem to do it more, the announcers talk about it often during cheats games, don’t remember hearing it said about other teams having so few formations.

  30. ocalarob says:

    Most teams run on first down early. They want to establish the run. I don’t know what the percentage is but you can bet they run more on 1st down than they pass. That would only be in the first half. It may change in the 2nd half depending on the situation

  31. ocalarob says:

    And defenses know this. They are situated to stop the run

  32. ocalarob says:

    Any fact checkers out there. What is the percentage of running plays vs passing plays first half only

    • D says:

      Id say league wide you are right, but im talking the Pats and how they are setup as a better model of confusing defenses than just hiding what your doing on 2nd down by winning on 1st downs. I do agree with you, you need to be in a more confusing 2nd and 3rd down situation because it offers ya the ability to take big shots downfield on those downs and if its not there drop ca check down and pick up the first. I bet though, if you check the Pats, it way off league average, i know with Brady they threw on 1st a fuck ton. They just take a different approach to the game, and yeah other teams do it too, but im serious when i say they may have 3 or 4 formations, tops, and they run 50 or 60 different plays out of those same looks

  33. The Flying Pig says:


    According to this article, in 2015, the ration on first down runny pass was a really slight edge for run. Actually 50.4%.

    I think teams are passing like 60% of the time on all downs these days

    I may have missed why this is being brought up – What’s your point?

    • D says:

      His point, at least from what i read into it, was that we need to establish better down and distance through a good running game on first down and this will help make our offense less predictable. Which i mean i think has been his point since the RB arguments started many moons ago lol.

  34. Tim Knight says:

    Teams pass on any down quite a bit these days. I think the teams who run the ball well is because it’s working so they keep doing it. If you’re struggling to run the ball you pass more. I think it’s as simple as that.

    • D says:

      The line is blurry one whats a run and pass too, i mean a screen is used in place of running the ball a lot, you could argue its nothing different than a Jets sweep since you are utilizing a WR from behind the line. Those changed the numbers a bit.

  35. The Flying Pig says:

  36. The Flying Pig says:

    Does any low know how to make a “T” a “W” or turn “NN” to “DD” on a jersey?

    I also need an “L” to be moved from the end of jersey to the second to last letter and for the complete removal of a “HIL”

  37. Marinofan13 says:

    “A 23-ton piece of a Chinese rocket will crash into Earth this weekend” — NY Times

  38. Marinofan13 says:

    Shock-G at his finest… making everybody think…

  39. The Flying Pig says:

    Look at our cap space in 22

  40. Marinofan13 says:


    WATCH “The Bad Batch”! It’s really good, man!

  41. sb7mvp says:

    So in order to be less predictable against defenses that are situated to stop the run we should consistently run on first down?

    • stangerx says:

      You do that and get your 5 yards and 2nd and 5 is a good place to be. Opens up the options on second down. Even if they are expecting the run you have a brute RB with a massive OL to make it happen. Least that is the theory.

  42. Tim Knight says:

    D, sorry didn’t realize you meant WR screens. I know every team in the league does it but it’s one of my least favorite plays.

  43. Phindog says:

    My wife just swatted my nose with a newspaper for dragging my ass across the new rug.🐕

    • stangerx says:


      • Tim Knight says:

        Ut oh! LOL

      • stangerx says:

        The lab I grew up with used to tear the heck out of the garbage. She’d have a great time till we saw it. Then she’d look guilty as heck and run down stairs into her cage…. which is where we put her for punishment. She at least was willing to do the time for the crime. 🙂

  44. Randy says:

    My god, you guys need some hobbies so you stop coming up with stupid, crazy football takes out your asses. Start knitting! Ballroom dancing! Build a fucking bird house, Jesus.

  45. CavalierKong says:

    In the 2020 regular season, 18 teams passed more than they ran on 1st down in the 1st half of games.

    In the 2020 regular season, all four teams that made it to the Conference Championship passed it more than they ran it on 1st down in the 1st half of games (link below is for these stats). Tampa and GB were pretty balanced, but you can see by the stats that Buff and KC consistently passed more on 1st down.

    Tampa Bay (117-115), Green Bay (125-115), Buffalo (169-84), and KC (160-91)

    In the 2020 playoffs, 4 teams passed more than they ran on 1st down in the 1st half of games, 3 made it to the conference championship (Buff, KC, GB, Pitt). Tampa and Chicago were both dead even at 50-50.

    Using the same program, running stats from 2015-2020 for all teams, more than 92% of run plays in the 1st half of games on 1st down result in yards to go of 7-10.

    • CavalierKong says:

      The below statement is incorrect, so strike that

      “Using the same program, running stats from 2015-2020 for all teams, more than 92% of run plays in the 1st half of games on 1st down result in yards to go of 7-10.”

  46. stangerx says:

    The new jersey numbers

    WR Albert Wilson: #2
    WR Will Fuller V: #3
    QB Reid Sinnett: #4
    P Michael Palardy: #5
    WR Lynn Bowden Jr.: #6
    WR Allen Hurns: #8
    DB Noah Igbinoghene: #9
    QB Jacoby Brissett: #14
    EDGE Jaelan Phillips: #15
    WR Robert Foster: #16
    WR Jaylen Waddle: #17
    SAF Jevon Holland: #22
    RB Gerrid Doaks: #23
    RB Jordan Scarlett: #28
    DB Jason McCourty: #30
    RB Malcolm Brown: #34
    LB Terrell Bonds: #35
    LS Blake Ferguson: #44
    LB Duke Riley: #45
    LB Benardrick McKinney: #50
    LB Elandon Roberts: #52
    EDGE Brennan Scarlett: #57
    IOL Matt Skura: #62
    IOL Cameron Tom: #64
    IDL Adam Butler: #70
    OL Liam Eichenberg: #74
    IOL Tyler Gauthier: #75
    OL DJ Fluker: #76
    OL Larnel Coleman: #79
    TE/FB Cethan Carter: #82
    TE Hunter Long: #84
    WR Kai Locksley: #87
    TE Jibri Blount: #89
    IDL John Jenkins: #90
    IDL Jonathan Ledbetter: #93
    EDGE Tyshun Render: #96

    • Tim Knight says:

      It’s not the end of the world but I’m not a fan of it. I like the typical position numbers.

  47. Randy says:

    Gesicki isn’t a TE. Just like Pitts….who can’t block either…he’s a WR…or hybrid. Also, his run blocking really isn’t that bad compared to other hybrid WR/TE guys. Are the Raiders gonna cut Waller? He isn’t much of a blocker either. Is Pitts gonna be stuck on the bench because he can’t block? Seriously. You don’t ask those guys to block much, and they certainly don’t give anything away just by being on the field. Also, teams throw on first down a lot compared to years ago. There are a lot of reasons why they do it but one is because you can take advantage of teams trying to stop the run on early downs. Thinking you’re gonna run for 5 yards on every first down is just dumb. Talk about giving shit away.
    Most teams don’t have a Henry, and if teams are geared up to stop the run, they can. Even OL coming out of college can’t run block anymore. They all pass block so much that run blocking has become secondary. It’s part of why OLs are so terrible in the NFL these days. So, if your OL sucks at run blocking…and ours did last year, what difference does it make if your TE can’t run block? Come on.
    They may or may not keep Gesicki around, but it won’t be because of his run blocking. I actually think he and Long could possibly work well together. Gesicki is best when he’s used like a WR. Every team would love a complete TE who can excel in both phases, but those guys are very rare. As a coach, you use a guy to his strengths. For Gesicki, that’s catching the ball…not blocking.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Okay so I wasn’t one of the stupid ones you were referring to. 😉

      I don’t think we sucked at running the ball last year, we just were not consistent or very good. But it was a combination of things. I think many fans didn’t realize that Phase II last year was not a recipe for ultimate success but it had to happen so this year – Phase III could be much better.

      3 rookies on the OL, a rookie QB we’re moving forward with, and a bunch of other young skill players were not going to conform overnight. But the longer you prolong that, the longer you prolong that.

    • CavalierKong says:

      Same criteria, the top three at 4.4 yds per were Car, KC, NYJest. Two really bad teams, and a team that throws to set up the run…

    • ocalarob says:

      Tampa didn’t get fornette until late in the season and they actually sucked early on, new orleans blew them out both games in the reg season.

  48. The Flying Pig says:

    A bit heavy for Friday night music but very influential

  49. wyoming85 says:

    Missing mine tonight!

  50. Tim Knight says:

    We’ll see if Flores and Grier are right. Their vision for the running game is improve the OL and the speed in the passing game. Stack the box and take your chances man on man with Fuller, Waddle, Parker and Gesicki. Drop more in coverage and we run.

    To me the OL getting better is key to all of it. At least we can see the possible light at the end of the tunnel with the young guys we’ve added the last few years.

    The obvious upgrade needs to be at QB with Tua. I expect him to be stronger and quicker both physically and mentally. He has to be more than just okay, he needs to show more special. I think he can do it. Go Phins!!!

  51. steveccnv says:

    stangerx says:
    May 7, 2021 at 4:52 pm
    So you are for the end of the cruise industry in Florida? What was before was mitigation of virus spread are the measures these companies have adopted.

    Why do you take so much glee in this? Surely you know how important the Cruise industry is to Florida.

    I don’t take glee in the cruise industry leaving FL, I take glee in telling these commie companies FU

    • Phindog says:

      They need to have the ability and right to control any virus when out at sea to protect the passengers and crew. Ships are a human Petrie dish were things spread quick. It’s not the same as being on land.

      • steveccnv says:

        I agree, but they don’t base it on Science, they just do whatever the media narrative is at the time.

        Why is being vaccinated, that may or may not have taken better than someone with the anti bodies?

        I believe I have the antibodies, but still got the vaccine, so I can travel

    • stangerx says:

      steve — last I checked the government telling companies what to do was the communist way. Just ask people in China or North Korea.

  52. CavalierKong says:

    Bookman, I really put the kibosh on the Brewers the other day. Since I said they can’t lose, they have been in a freefall.


    I tell ya, the Cubs, Reds, Brewers, and Pirates just refuse to lose! LOL

  53. Marinofan13 says:

  54. ocalarob says:

    Cav what is 1 quarter only run vs pass?

    • Tim Knight says:

      This is his 2nd season not his 3rd which was his best year. Nice try. Not one clip of Tua throwing to him should of tipped you off. LOL

    • Phindog says:

      That is so fucking cool. Wished they would have played them out. It’s like live at Darrell’s house.

  55. ocalarob says:

    i know none of you like Omar, but the man has access to the players
    watch what he and dave hyde say about gesicki,
    .pick it up at the 13:15 mark in the video

  56. Marinofan13 says:

  57. ocalarob says:

    as for the running game fuller and waddle will keep the opposing ds from loading the box, that spells a successful running game.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Really? Did you just come up with that? LOL

      That’s what Grier and Flores think and I’ve mentioned this multiple times. 😉

  58. D says:

    Here is my new for Randy.

  59. ocalarob says:

    stretch them with speed and hammer them with power, that’s what the new additions to this team tell me.

  60. CavalierKong says:

    Rob, it’s free. I randomly stumbled upon it while trying to find the info you asked for. The filters and results take a few minutes to get used to and understand what you’re looking at, but wow, this site is going to be a resource I use often.

  61. sb7mvp says:

    My hobbies include writing poetry and betting on cockfights.

  62. ocalarob says:

    the stat you used for running on 1st down was a team stat, i use that stat to find the individual effectiveness of a single rb, not a team stat. when you use the whole team it would also include busted plays and qb runs.
    i want to know who’s my best power guy is. as in Gore vs Drake, which Gore won that.

    • CavalierKong says:

      By taking out that criteria, you get top teams KC, NO, LAR, Car, Minny

      Bottom teams Atl, Tampa, Dal, Cincy, Buff

    • CavalierKong says:

      You can also use that site for individual players.

      Criteria: Kenyon Drake with Miami, 1st down rushes, =<9 yds, 1st half
      2.8 yd avg

      Same criteria: Frank Gore with Miami
      3.5 yd avg

      • CavalierKong says:

        A hell of a lot easier than the way we did it a few years ago, listing play by plays and doing the math, lol.

  63. ocalarob says:

    so if you look at the two videos they both say when gesicki is in it’s like telegraphing to the D that we are passing, That’s probably why we drafted the TE.

    i doubt they will match gesickis worth, and i doubt they will franchise him, someone will offer him a big contract

  64. wyoming85 says:

    Go, Go, Braided Coconut!

  65. Randy says:

    Actually, I’m sorry about that. I wasn’t trying to call anybody stupid. That probably came across more harsh than I meant it. I was probably more exasperated than anything. Sometimes I just don’t know where shit comes from anymore these days. It was a curmudgeon moment. Lol

  66. Tim Knight says:

    Hunter Long has potential as a solid all around TE, but he’s not the receiver Gesicki is. Just saying. Smythe and Shaheen should be more concerned moving forward, not Gesicki.

  67. Randy says:

    Well, there’s been way too much whiny bitching around here lately anyway. Lol
    Hope that doesn’t cause needless issues. God forbid that be a thing around here, right?!

  68. Marinofan13 says:

  69. Tim Knight says:

    ORob, you forgot about this? Only short passes? Okay! LOL

    • ocalarob says:

      no doubt he’s a great T.E. and i’m only speculating with what i’ve heard, fitting the pieces in the puzzle.
      1. he’s not a well rounded T.E. due to his inability to block.
      i think that gives away our position in the game.
      we pass 80% of the time when he’s in the game or so the video says.
      2. he will be a UFA if we don’t franchise him.
      3. we drafted a T.E. early

      so that’s my reasoning for thinking Gesicki may be gone or traded.

      if he isn’t traded i think smythe will be the odd man out.

  70. Phindog says:

    Kicking back drinking whiskey and listening to Def Leopard.🥃🥃🐕

  71. steveccnv says:

    Tim Knight says:
    May 7, 2021 at 10:22 pm
    Hunter Long has potential as a solid all around TE, but he’s not the receiver Gesicki is. Just saying. Smythe and Shaheen should be more concerned moving forward, not Gesicki.

    Long is more of a possession receiver, Gesicki is big play.

    I’m OK with my TE moving the chains, we’ve got enough big play guys, we need more of a go to guy on 3rd and 7ish or less

    • steveccnv says:

      Guys like Kelce, that you can’t stop on 3rd down keep the drive going, someone like Gesicki is a novelty, that once in a while make a big play.

      It’s nice to have both of these types of players

      • Tim Knight says:

        I didn’t realize we have a Kelce. So Gesicki as the 4th most productive TE last year is just a novelty now. I give up. LOL

      • steveccnv says:

        Novelty probably wasn’t the right word, it didn’t come across as intended.

        What I was trying to say was a team like KC is hard to stop, when the game is on the line, because they use high percentage plays, such as the just far enough for a 1st down pass to Kelce.

        Gesicki on the other hand isn’t used this way, because he’s not a box out TE, but Long is

  72. Mike E. says:

    We definitely have a “Kelce”. If we threw the ball to Gesicki as much as the Chiefs threw to Kelce, their stats would be almost mirror images.

    Thanks Kong!

  73. sb7mvp says:

    You know better than to label this whole blog stupid just because theres a few stupid people on here. Even worse, stupid people that dont have hobbies.

  74. New Age says:

    Mike E,

    That 70 yard reception looks really nice on Gesecki’s resume. Especially with the team looking for explosive receiving plays this year to help the offense. I think they will want him back and the only question will be cost like always. I agree with Randy that there’s no reason Long and Gesecki can’t play together for a ‘long’ time. Cookie cutter is the opposite of what we need to be.

  75. bailbondmike says:

    Kelce may be the most well rounded of TE’s but he lines up in the slot more than any other TE in the league. This does not include him lining up outside and putting him in isolated coverage which KC does quite a bit also. He is probably not inline to run block on over 50% of their run plays. Most times I see Kelce inline is on short yardage. This works for KC and actually helps their run game by requiring defenses to defend the pass virtually every play. Teams have to defend/worry about Kelce and Tyrek Hill every down making it easier to run.

    Now we have helped our run game immensely and it won’t require Gesicki to run block much. Since we have added Fuller and Waddle, teams will have to defend/worry about Gesicki, Fuller and/or Waddle every down which will open up the run game no matter who is back there. Teams will have to defend us the way they have to defend KC and that should open the run game.

    Top Tight End Targets From Slot, 2020 (including playoffs)

    Travis Kelce Chiefs 110
    Logan Thomas Football Team 84
    Mark Andrews Ravens 74
    Evan Engram Giants 69
    Mike Gesicki Dolphins 68
    Hunter Henry Chargers 52
    Darren Waller Raiders 52
    Zach Ertz Eagles 52
    Jared Cook Saints 51
    Dalton Schultz Cowboys 50

  76. David Collins says:

    heres a hobby for ya Orob, one im sure You never thought of,
    You live in the heart of FL, and the real estate in your area was dirt cheap, possibly a few bargains left

    have you heard of whats going on with FL real estate lately? i cant believe You live in the heart of the state and have little idea of whats going on
    We are surrounded by solid GOLD, its literally underneath our feet! property prices are skyrocketing, MUCH faster than gas

    flip some vacant lots if You want to avoid fixer uppers

  77. bailbondmike says:

    Guess what I was trying to say is that I don’t think Gesicki is expendable because we drafted Long. He is valuable to this offense. Everyone is expendable but Smythe may be the most expendable at this point. Let his contract run out and see if we can get a comp, 7th maybe.

    • steveccnv says:


    • ocalarob says:

      I think if you add in all the variables IMO Gesicki’s days are numbered here.

      There’s a reason why we spent # 81 on Long, couple that with blocking issues and heading into FAcy,

      do you think we will franchise him? because that’s the only way we keep him.

      they should trade after june 1 and get something for him if possible.

      this way we keep Smythe

  78. steveccnv says:

    First down is the down you see more trick plays, down the field plays, lower percentage higher reward plays, for that reason, for my argument I’d take those out of the being unstoppable category and put them in the novelty category.

    I’d bet a lot of Gesicki’s stats are acquired on 1st down.

    Nothing wrong with making a play on 1st down, but it doesn’t help your quest for being unstoppable as much as a box out TE does.

    How many times did we see Gates/Gronk make big catch after big catch on 3rd down to keep drives alive, these are your clutch receivers.

    Derek Jeter had just above average stats, but was money, when it mattered most, that’s the type of guy Long potentially can be.

    Not trying to really overall compare Long to these other guys, just pointing out his potential value to us

  79. David Collins says:

    Orob, I will reach out to You, if You want some assistance on this. im Not Your enemy, lol
    im just an avid Dolphins fan and feel offended by Your negative comments on My football team.

    incredible doors of opportunity are open, We can walk inside, Your call.

    all i ask is that You refrain from bashing the Dolphins once in awhile, lol

    im serious, let Me know

    • ocalarob says:

      OK David, i’m going to try to explain this to you again, whomever this football player is, I;m commenting on a football players ability to play football.

      he may be a great guy but in my only opinion he’s not a good football player.

      that’s my opinion and i may be incorrect.

      not sure how you’re offended because i don’t like the way a guy plays football?

      It would appear that you want me to rah…rah every player regardless of what i think of them, i don’t do that.

      so you can carry on your trollish name calling.

      I’ve lost a lot of respect for you, and have no interest in discussing anything further with you unless we are face to face.

  80. steveccnv says:

    Just in case you forgot what trolling was, it appears some have

    A troll is Internet slang for a person who intentionally tries to instigate conflict, hostility, or arguments in an online social community. …

  81. The Flying Pig says:

    So it’s starting to look like Albert Wilson will be on the roster in 2021

    It surprises me a little but if we role with waddle, Parker, Williams, Fuller and Wilson that’s a deep group. Even though we’ve had injury issues, we should be able to manage these issues issues if we are hat deep at wr

    I’m not even mentioning guys like Hurns, Bowden and Grant

  82. Randy says:

    Well, I did say stupid football takes….not just stupid. I’m not stupid, but I’ve done and said tons of stupid stuff in my life. There is still a difference, but I’m not even sure anymore.
    Doesn’t everybody else in here come on, read over 2-300 posts, skipping and skimming along the way and then just want to comment on everything in a general post because it would take way too fucking long to reply to every different topic or question? Lol

  83. David Collins says:

    I havent had a chance to comment on Mcain, but I feel the Fins cutting Him was expected by many because ,
    A the Duck can also cover slots, and do return duty
    B Mcain was overpaid, and couldnt cover slot receivers or run returns like the Duck

    • steveccnv says:

      Not following your logic on what Holland’s return skills have to do with McCain being cut, but that’s besides the point.

      We had a chance to upgrade at a position we had no better than average talent, and saved some money doing it.

      No Brainer move

  84. steveccnv says:

    If Doaks was drafted in Gaskins spot he would’ve had a better chance to make the team, because we didn’t have much in the backfield at that time. It’s getting crowded now with complimentary backs, so his chances are less, but I still think he makes it, if he hits the ground running

    • ocalarob says:

      he makes the team, not a doubt.

      you have 2 types of RBs, the speedier shifty type of back (gaskin/ahmed and the power guys.

      he is an insurance policy in case Brown goes down.

  85. Randy says:

    I absolutely agree that being successful on first down is great….I’m not sure who would disagree with that. The issue is how you do it. If you can rush for at least 4-5 yards every first down at a very consistent clip, for sure, do it. I’ve always been a proponent of a strong running game. But, I just don’t think teams can anymore.
    I agree that they look like they are building to be able to run the ball better, but I really don’t know how they’re going to do it yet because we haven’t seen it yet. They have all sorts of RBs with different skill sets. It’s just my opinion, but I think Flores wants his offense to be like his defense….to be able to disguise and adjust as needed…to take advantage of mismatches. If teams will let Flores run, I’d imagine he’ll run all day. If not, you better have other options.

    • steveccnv says:

      Running for 4 or 5 yards consistently on first down was meant to be a loose number, just put your team in a running option on 2nd down and your chances of getting the first are much better.

      Don’t think anyone is saying we’ll be running on every first down, but when we do we need to have success more times than not

  86. David Collins says:

    Jaelan Phillips will keep his number 15 that he had since high school

  87. bailbondmike says:

    The reason I thought the Jabri Blount signing was interesting is because of his skill set. He has some football background but didn’t play football in college. He was a really good basketball player, MEAC Player of the Year, and at 6’5 245 brings the same skill set as Gesicki though very raw. It will be telling if he makes it onto the practice squad.

    His father is HOF DB Mel Blount of the Steelers.

    • steveccnv says:

      He’s got pedigree, but like that TE we had in camp, that could fly years ago (believe Brown was his name, the guy with the hot girlfriend and used the phrase as usghe), he’s so raw it’ll take him a year or 2 to get up to speed.

      He’ll have to flash as a PUP to get a real chance on the PS

    • ocalarob says:

      Great signing, another sign for a Gesicki departure

  88. ocalarob says:

    no one is ever 100% successful on first down, it’s a great goal to try to accomplish though, being unpredictable is the key to offensive success and you have to be able to put yourself in that situation.
    i believe this is what Flores is trying to do, it’s very apparent with the additions at RB, T.E. WR and OL, look at the size of our OL.

    he wants to play a power run game and a stretch the field passing game.

    with a strong running game and our speed at wr, that creates space, both compliment each other.

  89. sb7mvp says:

    Just for perspective, Kelce has had 8 years in the league and Gesicki has had 3. Kelce has been coached by HOF, SB offensive minded coaches and Gesicki has had a carousel of misfits, not to mention the difference in the quarterbacks that have been throwing either of them the ball. Kelce wasnt known for blocking or being well rounded as a TE early in his career and he’s still known as more of a pass catcher. This whole argument that Gesicki isnt Kelce is goofy, especially saying that Gesicki isnt a box out tight end the way Kelce is. Both were basketball stars in high school and boxing out is part of both of their games. Pretty much every highlight of Gesicki’s is him boxing someone out for a catch Lol.

    • steveccnv says:

      You really can’t be that clueless

      • steveccnv says:

        Just watched Gesicki’s highlight reel from last year, and didn’t see a box out once. He runs routes like a WR, not like a TE, that sits down in the middle of the field and positions the defender on his back

  90. CavalierKong says:

    Kong playing with filters lol

    Gesicki has been targeted a total of 206 times in his 3 year career.

    79 times on 1st down for an avg of 6.8.
    71 times on 2nd down for an avg of 8.3
    56 times on 3rd for an avg of 6.0.
    3 times on 4th for an avg of 2.7

    • CavalierKong says:

      So clearly we need to go away from Gesicki on 4th downs.

    • CavalierKong says:

      Damn, I should have added the TD and long play count too. Oh well

      • steveccnv says:

        Should’ve added, if the catch resulted in a 1st down.

        On 4th down an average catch for 2.7 yards is great, if each one resulted in a 1st down

      • CavalierKong says:

        Good point on the 4th down. It’s about 1sts, not yardage.

      • CavalierKong says:

        One of the three resulted in a 1st.

    • ocalarob says:

      how many runs vs passes did we do with Gesicki in the game in 2020?

      • CavalierKong says:

        That one may take me a bit to find the right filters, but I’m sure I can get it.

      • ocalarob says:

        and with shaheen/smythe?

      • ocalarob says:

        C’mon stat guy, i don’t have all day 🙂

      • CavalierKong says:

        lol, this one I may not be able to get. I have to figure out how to find the criteria that doesn’t feature the player, but just has him on the field.

        I believe it’s going to be in game splits, but there are a lot of search models to go through. I’ll probably attack it piecemeal a bit at a time, so if I can find it, I may not have those numbers until later tonight. I’ll keep working on it though.

  91. The Flying Pig says:

    Waiting for my second vaccine shot

    Hey when you guys said, drink liquids before 2nd shot – does 🥃 count?

  92. steveccnv says:

    Lol, that beer looks like it might hydrate you

  93. The Flying Pig says:

    Fully vaccinated Pork!

  94. Randy says:

    And how is that any different than…ever? Every team wants to be able to run when you want to run. That has always been the goal…again…the question is how. And again….if you can’t run for at least 4 yards…then it’s really not all that helpful. I don’t mind trying to stick with a running game if it’s not working early in the game, but if you’re not getting into 2nd and 6 or less you’re screwing yourself….and it can be awful hard to keep up in the scoring that way. We definitely need to upgrade our running game, so I’m all for whatever they do to get better.

  95. Phindog says:

    Piggy, Even though I hydrated big time I still got overheated and chills the same night and day after. Hopefully you don’t experience this but from what I’ve heard it’s common after the 2nd shot.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I am pork

      I can handle it


      • stangerx says:

        From what I read and saw with the better one, if it is gonna hit does so about 12 hours after the shot. So my advice is not to go out celebrating your 2nd shot tonight until you know one way or the other. Did that with my wife…… was a mistake. She was one of the say every three that got it.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I’m staying home tonight

        Gotta move next weekend and I need to prep for it this weekend

  96. sb7mvp says:

    Steve calling someone clueless has to be the greatest compliment.

  97. The Flying Pig says:


    • David Collins says:

      She was the whitesnake girl

    • Phindog says:

      Damn. She was such a hottie back then. RIP

      • David Collins says:

        she sure was, too bad she wasnt at the whitesnake concert, lol but it was good anyway!

        the band called Great White opened for whitesnake, thats the band that burned down a concert hall somewhere in the jersey /NY area if i remember correctly

        unfortunately, Many perished in the great white fire

  98. David Collins says:

    Akil Blount was signed by the Miami Dolphins as an undrafted free agent following the 2016 NFL Draft. On August 27, 2016, Blount was waived by the Dolphins.[2]

    Pittsburgh Steelers
    On February 14, 2017, Blount was signed by the Pittsburgh Steelers.[3] He was released by the Steelers on May 17, 2017.[4]

    Orlando Apollos
    Blount signed with the Orlando Apollos of the Alliance of American Football for the 2019 season.

    Personal life
    Blount is the son of Hall of Fame cornerback Mel Blount. and the older brother of Jabri

  99. Phindog says:

    If you are a polar bear, great white shark, or white snake would you worry about today’s cancel couture? 🤔

  100. CavalierKong says:

    Rob, sorry bud, I can’t find a way to get the run/pass splits for players on the field.

    We had 559 pass attempts and 428 rushing attempts. Gesicki was involved in 58% of our offensive plays (572), but no idea on the splits.

  101. David Collins says:

    I think many knew before Gesicki was drafted, that he was a poor blocker, but a TE that can beat safeties and linebackers with the passing game.

    here is his scouting profile, before the Dolphins drafted him from

    If you are looking for a tight end who can line up and help in the running game, he’s not your guy. However, if you want a pass-catcher who can get open and has the ball skills to win against linebackers and safeties, he might be your guy. Gesicki needs to improve his play strength and his issues as a blocker could limit the amount of teams who will target him, but he has a chance to become one of the better pass catching tight ends in the league.

  102. David Collins says:

    Tawny Kittaen was also in a movie called Batchelor Party with Tom Hanks.

    here is a description of this classic movie
    Party animal Rick Gassko (Tom Hanks), who makes his living as a Catholic-school bus driver, decides to settle down and marry his girlfriend Debbie Thompson (Tawny Kitaen). After learning the news of the engagement, Rick’s shocked friends, led by Jay (Adrian Zmed), decide to throw him an epic bachelor party. The bride’s wealthy, conservative parents are unhappy with her decision, and her father enlists the help of Debbie’s ex-boyfriend Cole Whittier (Robert Prescott) to sabotage her relationship with Rick and win her back.

    While Debbie worries and goes off to a bridal shower thrown by her friends, Rick heads to the bachelor party, which takes place in a lavish, spacious hotel suite, and promises to remain faithful. Both parties start off on the wrong foot because of Cole’s meddling. As the bachelor party starts to heat up, Debbie and the girls decide to get even with Rick and his friends by having a party of their own. Both parties eventually collide, leading to Debbie accusing Rick of infidelity.

    The bachelor party becomes a wild, drunken orgy and the hotel room is trashed,,,,

  103. Mike E. says:

    SB – of the highest order

  104. Randy says:

    You don’t use guys like Gesicki as an in-line blocker very much. You use him to move LBers or Safeties out of the box or to one side or another. That’s how he impacts your running game. And, if teams choose not to move players around to cover him, you throw it to him.
    I’m not even a fan of Gesicki. I wanted to draft the guy who went to Baltimore but that doesn’t mean a guy like Gesicki can’t be very effective. If he ends up balling out and wanting huge money…then you have a decision to make. That’s the way it is with every player.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Oink and agreed

      I don’t get why we need to consider Geiscki’s worth now

      Next offseason I think it’s worth discussing his value to the team and whether we resign him or not

      If we let him go we get a comp pick down the line

    • stangerx says:

      We all admire good blocking, but taking a guy out of the play without touching him seems to at least come with less CTE risk.

      And yeah Gesicki is like every other player in a contract year, but one who has a lot of love on this board. Like Najee Harris before the draft.

      • steveccnv says:

        If we had drafted Najee at 18 it would’ve been our worst reach in franchise history, you don’t draft a tall RB that high.

        He’s a good all around RB on a great team, but just above average otherwise, when he can’t overpower NFL players he’ll be JAG

      • stangerx says:

        But the Najee love was undeniable. And not sure how much of a reach would have been. He did go at #24.

        But point was Gesicki has that same kind of fan passion. I like him too.

  105. stangerx says:

    Somewhere OD is unhappy. 🙂
    “The past decade has provided quite the return on investment for Miami Dolphins owner Stephen Ross. Ross, who bought the team in 2008, originally paid $1.1 billion to call the Miami Dolphins his. And today, according to Forbes, the Miami Dolphins have nearly tripled in value — they’re listed at a $2.9 billion evaluation for the 2021 year.”

  106. The Flying Pig says:


    Of course its not automatic, but when you lose free agents and don’t spend in free agency you usually get comp picks

    I dont think there is any misconception – there’s obviously a formula and if for some reason we spend too much in free agency it will deprive us of comp picks

    But the best way to avoid spending in free agency is to keep the player you drafted that work out well longer

    The ravens and the Patriots used that model to get comp picks year after year

    We don’t need to trade guys to get value bc they are a year away from Free agency

    It’s bad enough that the modern nfl requires most teams to churn their roster every 5 years, but if you decrease that cycle to every 4 years, you are gonna end up spending more in free agency

    I’m personally not a a huge fan of team building where we start trading guys bc they are free agents in another year. Squeezing a 5th year out of a productive players rookie contract can make a difference on the field and help win more games

  107. ocalarob says:

    When you are in 1st and 10 and running the ball, the play developers quickly. You need your te to block. There’s no time for him to clear out dba going out for a pass.

    • stangerx says:

      If Gesicki is 4 or 5 yards off the tackle does the other team leave him uncovered? He only lines up on the T about 20% of the time.

      • ocalarob says:

        by that time the D knows it’s a pass, the play develops too quickly for a TE to draw dbs out of the box, and by having Gesicki in the game the D is in pass pro anyway as we don’t run with him in the game, i think 80 percent of the plays are pass with him in the game. or so i read.

      • ocalarob says:

        he gives away our position, they know we’re passing which makes it very difficult.

      • ocalarob says:

        if you’re in 3rd and 9 then it doesn’t matter, bring on gesicki, when you’re trying to establish a run game early you don’t want him in the game. he’s a blocking liability.

  108. ocalarob says:

    when you have a great blocking/catching TE and a powerful running game, that’s where play action comes in, you then fake it to the RB and hit your TE as the D is up trying to stop your powerful run game.

    when you have a TE in the game who struggles blocking all that goes out the window. they know you won’t run the ball, makes play action less effective.

  109. ocalarob says:

    it all adds up, you have a weak blocking T.E. that telegraphs the play, he’s set to be an UFA and you just used your #81 pick on a guy that can catch and block.

    the writing is on the wall.

    Gesicki is history.

    do you actually think they will give Gesicki a huge contract?

  110. stangerx says:

    ocalarob says:
    May 8, 2021 at 6:31 pm
    by that time the D knows it’s a pass, the play develops too quickly for a TE to draw dbs out of the box
    If a db or LB wasn’t drawn out of the box by Gesicki sliding out wide….. that means he’s uncovered. Just throw it to him. Know you want to run it, but guaranteed positive play.

    • ocalarob says:

      that’s not a reality, a good DC will have all recs covered, as soon as the ball is handed off they will converge on the RB.

      It’s just not logical to think you could line gesicki up and send him out for a pass taking a DB with him to open up running lanes, that’s the issue.

      the running play happens too fast to achieve that

  111. Marinofan13 says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    May 8, 2021 at 5:25 pm

    … Squeezing a 5th year out of a productive players rookie contract can make a difference on the field and help win more games
    Sorry for omitting the majority of your above post (which I absolutely agree with), but we’re talking about Gesicki, correct? That 5th year option can only happen for 1st rounders, and Gesicki was a 2nd rounder. Just an FYI, in case ya didn’t know.

    Aside from that, I’m with ya 100%.

  112. bailbondmike says:

    If anyone thinks we drafted TE Hunter Long to replace Gesicki, you are sadly mistaken,IMO. I have watched a little game tape on him and not that impressed. His route running is terrible. He rounds into all his breaks and has no juke or acceleration out of his breaks. This makes it easy for LB’s to cover him, forget it if a DB is covering him.

    He does not have the athleticism to be half of what Gesicki is. He can’t highpoint a ball very much. I don’t see him being an upgrade over Sheehan or Smythe, just see him as a future replacement for one of the two.

    Blocking, yeah, he is decent at that but will have to see how he handles it on the NFL level.

    I just don’t see where everyone says he is such a great talent over what we already have.

    After watching his tape vs UNC, I started to get upset again that we took him at #81 instead another Edge or RB.

    • Marinofan13 says:

      What you just said above echoes my opinion 100%. I said it the other day that I am NOT impressed by Hunter Long.

  113. ocalarob says:

    They had Long at the senior bowl obviously they seen something about him they liked.

    i’m just speculating about moving on from Gesicki, he may turn into this all around TE, lead us to the SB!

    Due to all the tea leaves,
    if my money’s on the line,,,,,,, i would bet against him being on the team in 2022.

    • Marinofan13 says:

      I understand where you’re coming from and I respect that, as always, man! I just merely disagree. We’ll see!

      • Marinofan13 says:

        I won’t allow a mere football disagreement derail friendships that have been forged over many, many years. It’s alright to disagree, always!

  114. Marinofan13 says:


    It kills me to think we took Hunter Long over Quinn Meinerz and Wyatt Davis. And Randy’s and my guy Chauncey Golston was still on the board, too.

  115. Marinofan13 says:

    TO BE CLEAR… I think our Phins did an outstanding overall job in the ’21 Draft(!), but I’m still scratching my head over the selection of Hunter Long. Time shall reveal if he was worth it…

  116. Randy says:

    First down is no different than any other down. They develop as you design them to develop. You can motion your TE to manipulate the defense pre-snap, and teams do it all the time. I wasn’t necessarily talking about when the ball is snapped….although teams use receivers to run routes and take defenders away from the LOS all the time. If a defender doesn’t follow your TE then you know they’re playing some type of zone, and you can manipulate or react to that. This is basic stuff. Even just lining one of your TEs inline and then flexing him out can manipulate a defense and create running lanes….or identify a mismatch you can manipulate whether that happens right away, or you set defenses up for something later. It also just gives you information on how they are going to play certain formations, motion and down and distance.

    • Marinofan13 says:

      “This is basic stuff”. Indeed it is: it’s football 101 on the Offensive side of the ball. And that’s why Mike Gesicki is so very dangerous (mismatch nightmare). He may not be quite as talented as Kyle Pitts (who is?), but he helps the QB with what he’s able to do pre-snap, alone.

      He’s not a liability, he’s reliability… and that’s before the QB even says HIKE.

    • Marinofan13 says:

      By the way, Randy… excellent post, bud!

  117. New Age says:

    Not to say I’m bored with the engrossing TE discussions but anyone else notice the inflation starting to jack up now? I have a friend whose car has increased in value by $1000 in the past 3 months. That’s only good news for a very select few. Corona bucks were nice but what are we going to do now that everything will cost a LOT more?

  118. Marinofan13 says:

    Where is everybody tonight?

  119. bailbondmike says:

    Gas still climbing also.

  120. pheloniusphish says:

    It’s okay. High unemployment is right where we should be.

  121. pheloniusphish says:

    BTW – For OL the slobbering over Pitts…He hasn’t done shit yet in the NFL.

  122. ocalarob says:

    Marinofan13 says:
    May 8, 2021 at 8:07 pm
    I won’t allow a mere football disagreement derail friendships that have been forged over many, many years. It’s alright to disagree, always!

    The thought has never crossed my mind, you have a right to your football opinion as do all.

  123. ocalarob says:

    what happens on first and 10 in an NFL game is a powerful indicator of who will win.

  124. ocalarob says:

    When it comes to first down, the magic number is four yards.

  125. ocalarob says:

    if a T.E goes in motion and a DB follows him you lose an offensive blocker on a run play whereas the DB that followed him will have an eye on the backfield and be able to react to the running play as it happens very quickly.

    there’s a reason why gesicki plays most of his snaps on passing downs, they don’t want him in there in a run situation due to his lack of blocking ability.

  126. ocalarob says:

    lack of success on first downs will force you to connect on long passes on other downs. your offense is then predictable.

    first down and 10 is the most important down, on avg 2nd and 6, you can run or pass,

    you become unpredictable

    • ocalarob says:

      this is why having huge OL, and a powerful RB is essential to winning.
      i believe that is why flores has manned this team appropriately.
      power inside and speed on the edges.

      having a T.E. that when he’s in the game you pass 80% of the time is not being unpredictable and not conducive to winning.

      when gase traded ajayi he also traded his job because we no longer had that power running game, we became predictable.

  127. David Collins says:

    inflation has been in play since last year, gas is not really a big part of it, gas is chump change

    its lumber, steel, copper, everything I need to build a damn house has TRIPLED in 12 months, im not real happy about it, im considering delaying construction till costs come down, but i really cant because its a flip property for my own homebuild.

    i cant say hyper inflation is around the corner , if costs have already tripled in 2020 and 2021

    , but these same commodities are expected to drop soon, its all a big bubble because of pent up demand. and investors are sitting on tons of cash and wanting to spend it now

    my realtor says when she lists a home, she gets a dozen cash offers on the first day, there is NO inventory in FL

  128. David Collins says:

    homes cost about $40000 more to build than they did in 2019, maybe that is why its hard to find sympathy for folks whining about gas costing a quarter more, when oil/gas is controlled by foreign enemies of the US

    even concrete is rocketing, the demand has to abate before the prices will drop

  129. David Collins says:

    the best way to handle the gas increases, is to stop buying it from our enemies

    its not even necessary with alternative energy available

    but housing is always needed, unless we like living in the woods

  130. David Collins says:

    my friend in melbourne said his rent is now 1750 a month,
    for a small 2 bedroom and 1 bath shithole

    those same apartments were going for $600 a month in 2008, i dont know how anyone can afford to live like that, FL wages are pitiful

  131. David Collins says:

    the US had its second best quarter ever, for the first quarter of 2021
    GDP shot up, and unemployment dropped
    investors are cash heavy, the US is still the weathiest nation in the world, just doesnt look like it if Your name isnt elon musk, bill gates, etc

    these gains in productivity, are catalysts for inflation, the only way to stop inflation at this point, is if we go backwards, shut down companies, people lose their jobs, and we go back to sitting at home doing nothing, while businesses have their closed signs out

    we wont do that, so inflation is here to stay, maybe we need to learn how to better conserve and invest

    warren buffet drives around an old beat up pickup high miles truck to keep his costs down, lol

    he sure doesnt have too, but its wise and prudent to spend much less than We earn

  132. David Collins says:

    the billionaires gaming the system, is the pain we feel the most

    small example, Musk invests heavily into dogecoin, and dogecoin dumps twice after his doge day tweets

    then news comes out he dumped and shorted doge, then went long and repeated

    he gamed the system, and stole gains from others

    billionaires, ALWAYS make their money from THEFT and manipulation, thats called capitalism

  133. David Collins says:

    yea i know im going off, lol im just as pissed off at rising costs as anyone else. it hits me at a vulnerable point in my life when i was finally breaking free of the capitolist billionaires attempting to steal the gains from our labor, and laugh at us. ill figure a way out, its just exhausting trying to escape the slavemasters, they are determined to keep the chains on us.
    the bill will come due, and all of us will pay for the corrupt billionaires games, while they offshore our jobs with taxpayer subsidies meant to KEEP jobs in the US

    GM is one of many companies stealing tax subsidies and offshoring jobs with it

  134. steveccnv says:

    stangerx says:
    May 8, 2021 at 1:19 pm
    steve — last I checked the government telling companies what to do was the communist way. Just ask people in China or North Korea.

    You finally see my point, DeSantis is telling them what they can’t do

    • stangerx says:

      DeSantis is is the Florida government and he’s telling businesses what to do. US gov hasn’t told companies they have to check Covid status, but some companies want to.

      Go guess still don’t get your point.

  135. bookman11 says:


    • David Collins says:

      lol You/We are a subject, like all of us,

      billionaires love to exploit people like You and Me , its how they get richer every year

      • steveccnv says:

        Yes and they’ve thrived the past year with all of these lockdowns, but you’ll never see the forest for the trees

  136. David Collins says:

    top paid Ceos of 2020

    Chad Richison (Paycom) – $211.13 million
    Amir Dan Rubin (1Life Healthcare) – $199.05 million
    John Legere (T-Mobile) – $137.2 million
    Larry Culp (General Electric) – $73.19 million
    Chris Nassetta (Hilton) – $55.87 million

    i doubt any of these guys
    are worried about inflation hurting their offshore bank accounts they didnt pay taxes on

    Even though the unemployment rate fell by more than 40 percent between June 2020 and January 2021 (to 6.3 percent), poverty has increased over the same period, with about eight million more people living in poverty

    as the economy recovers, and many go back to work,
    millions more Americans get left behind in poverty,

    the capitalist/slave system is designed and bought for a lucky few, the rest of the nation takes it up the azz

  137. steveccnv says:

    Stimulus money is to blame for inflation. People have cash, so they spend and spend, even though prices keep going up

    • David Collins says:

      thats not it, thats what the billionaires want us to think, its THEM, they always want to shift the blame to us , so we dont stop their theft

      i showed you the employment stats going up, people going back to work, and at the same time are getting poorer?

      why arent the workers benefitting more from the recovery, even with the stim checks?

      because the workers are getting small potatoes while the billionaires control the means of production, and control their own paychecks and ours

      • steveccnv says:

        Part of running a country is controlling inflation. Biden isn’t just doing a horrible job with it, he seems to want it.

        Biden is synonymous with those pulling his strings. We all know he isn’t running the country.

        The billionaires have a lot of pull on what is going on politically, and we know what side their campaign contributions went to

  138. David Collins says:

    thieves are not honest people, lol

    they try to cover their tracks, blame others, and laugh behind our backs when they get away with it

    the US brand of capitolism and
    extreme wealth inequality, is not long term substainable for American labor, we are designed to fall further behind

    most of our children dont have it as good as we did, and it will get worse as the billionaires become trillionaires, while poverty and inflation runs rampant

  139. son of a son of a shula says:

    Happy Mother’s Day
    Herd, all the wives I’ve met here, y’all deserve to be pampered everyday but especially today. To all the moms out there, you’re the best

  140. New Age says:

    Happy Mother’s Day Herd and to all the mothers out there. They deserve everything good for putting up with us.

  141. New Age says:


    I agree with many of your views on the ultra wealthy but you realize they own the same newspapers who started pushing the race narrative right after Occupy Wall Street, right? You do realize a founder of BLM just bought FOUR mansions, right? That ultra ;liberals like Bezos, who owns the Washington Post, Amazon, etc, made the most money this past year? Guys like Dr. Bill Gates (not a real doctor), who made millions off the COVID crisis? Big Pharma who made trillions off ‘maybe, possibly’ effective vaccines that will need more boosters in the future?

    A lot of your schtick the past year(and longer) has been word for word what the ultra rich have been pushing in their media outlets. To see your grievances, while you still parrot their ideas, seems really weird to me. Hyper inflation only helps the rich so shouldn’t Biden, and other leaders, fight against inflation getting worse instead of acting like it’s not happening?

  142. CavalierKong says:

    In the 2020 regular season on all 1st down plays across the league (criteria is -20 thru 99 yds gained), Minny was the best averaging 6.9 on 1st down plays. Cincy was the worst averaging 4.7 on 1st down plays. All teams average more than 4 yds on 1st down.

    If you take big negative plays out of the equation (criteria is 0-99 yds gained) Houston was the best averaging 7.8. Cincy was the worst averaging 5.6.

    If you take big positive plays out of the equation (criteria is -20 thru 9 yds gained), GB was the best in the league averaging 3 yds on 1st down. Philly and NYG were tied for worst at 2.0.

    If you take out all big plays (criteria 0-9 yds gained), GB and SEA tied at the top averaging 3.5 on 1st down. Tampa was worst at 2.7. On 1st down plays that most often result in a 2nd down play, no teams average 4 yds.

    • ocalarob says:

      so i would assume getting close to the 3.5 avg is what to strive for

      • CavalierKong says:

        I’m betting last year was a bit of an anomaly in that the 0-9 range no teams averaged over 4. A quick glance at the 2007 season when I looked up the Pets, it was something like 6-8 teams crossed the 4 yd threshold.

  143. CavalierKong says:

    For sh^ts and giggles, I checked the Pets 2007 year where they went not undefeated (lol). On 1st down plays between 0-9 yds, they averaged 4.5 per play

    Back in the days of yore, when the Ravens won the SB with a power run team and a defense for the ages, they were near the bottom of the league on all 1st down plays at 5.3 per. They were also near the bottom of the league on 1st downs of 0-9 gained at 3.7. We know it was defense that won for the Ravens. They probably would have won the SB even if they punted on 1st down every time their offense touched the ball.

  144. pheloniusphish says:

    SBJ – David talking about economics is like a chimpanzee talking about space travel.

  145. bailbondmike says:

    Cav, interesting #’s you through out there. Thanks!

  146. Phindog says:

    Happy Mother’s Day to Herd and all the moms. I hope they all have a fantastic day. I’m cooking for my mom today. 😎👍

  147. bookman11 says:

    Lol@ Phelon!!

  148. Marinofan13 says:

    Wondering out loud here, and I don’t want YOUR preference: I’m asking what y’all think our FO might do, alright? Understood? Alright, I wanted to get that out of the way, first. Oh… and second, I’m not advocating for this AT ALL(!), I’m merely asking a question regarding our FO. Now then…

    Rumors had persisted that we were all-in on Deshaun Watson, until revelations of his massage-misdeeds became public. Does anybody think our FO just MIGHT be in pursuit of Aaron Rodgers, now that he wants out of Green Bay?

    As for me, I think that possibility exists… though I’d rather roll with Tua. What do you guys think?

  149. Mike E. says:

    I have to say this M – I’m surprised anyone here who follows the Dolphins closely really think the Dolphins are pursuing anyone to be our QB. It’s clear as day to me we built this team for Tua, I don’t think there’s any way we’re actively looking to change that. I suppose if the Packers were going to give away Rodgers for a silly price in our favor we’d listen, but I truly don’t think anyone from our club is calling to find out about Rodgers or anyone else.

    • stangerx says:

      I have two and only two reasons we’d trade for Rodgers.

      1 — Flores and Grier don’t think Tua has it (no matter what they say).
      2 — Ross wants it… would give us 2 years as a competitor and he ain’t getting younger.

    • Marinofan13 says:

      I agree with you 100%, but I think you missed my point: what might our FO do? Nobody can deny that we’d be an immediate Super Bowl contender if we acquire A-Rod.

  150. Marinofan13 says:

    Allow me to restate… I’m NOT in favor of trading for A-Rod: I trust in Tua. But what might our FO do with the possibility of a Super Bowl ring, should we acquire A-Rod?

  151. Mike E. says:

    M – I hear ya, nothing wrong with discussing possibilities, no matter now unlikely they may be. I really don’t think Aaron Rodgers is going anywhere. I think we have a plan in place that includes Tua as the QB. I don’t see us changing that plan unless GB made it too easy for us to say YES. What are the odds of that happening? They will want massive compensation, and then we have to pay him. We’d have to cut a bunch of players to fit him under the cap. I can’t see it honestly, but yes, no harm in some fun discussion.

  152. bookman11 says:

    I agree 100% with Mike

    • Marinofan13 says:

      Yessir, I wouldn’t do it either. I’m just trying to bring a fun discussion to the table, being it’s been very slow over the last 24 hours here.

  153. Marinofan13 says:

    Funk me, I think I’ve got a lung infection… I should be recording right now. My voice is naturally deep, but seriously, I’m rivaling Barry White right now. I’m taking COVID precautions, just in case.

  154. Rhino says:

    First, protocols for covid concerns is the best decision..

    2nd, Rodgers at 38 for the next decade, wow thats a big question. GB has been competitive but Rodgers in his entire career has one SB (same as Marino)…

    I think Flores is trying to build something dufferent.

    Rodgers at 30 I’m all in. At 38? Whew … thats a big ask.

  155. ocalarob says:

    This video is for Mike

    • Mike E. says:

      Rob – I’m as excited as that guy sounded. lol
      I get the concept, but it would be nice to have a guy that forced them to stack the box which could then really open the passing game too. This is one dimensional thinking.

  156. ocalarob says:

    How far will Rodgers push his agenda is the question, if he is set on either being traded or retiring i’m sure GB would rather get something for him.
    if he is traded i think it will be to Denver after June 1, and i think his age will diminish his value.

  157. ocalarob says:

    CavalierKong says:
    May 9, 2021 at 12:59 pm
    For sh^ts and giggles, I checked the Pets 2007 year where they went not undefeated (lol). On 1st down plays between 0-9 yds, they averaged 4.5 per play

    the stat gets skewed after the 1st quarter, teams generally pass when they are playing catch up, and may run more often if they have a big lead.
    the stat that should tell the picture is which RBs had the best avg <9yds on 1st dn in 2020?

  158. ocalarob says:

    I have to know when the fest is as the Rogain rep needs advanced notice to set up his booth at dave & busters.

  159. ocalarob says:

    MF 13, i think you can now buy a covid test over the counter at a drug store for about $20

  160. ocalarob says:

    which player is the last to win MVP, non QB?

    googling not allowed.

  161. ocalarob says:

    dudes got some long arms

  162. herdfan says:

    Thanks to everyone who wished me a Happy Mother’s Day yesterday. ❤️

  163. David Collins says:

    Hunter Long LED the entire nation in catches.
    Hunter came in second in total yards
    that was enough to get the FIns attention, and they drafted him

    ill take a wild guess that the ones not impressed, are not a threat to Griers career either, lol

    but for the ones that would have been impressed with the last place TE in the nation, he is likely still available,
    but nobody knows his name, they arent very impressed with the last place guy for some strange reason, i guess the Dolphins are stuck with the nations leader, arghhhh thats awful?!

  164. Mike E. says:

    Oh, Happy Birthing People Day! Ya gotta be kidding me with that nonsense. Oy!

    • David Collins says:

      did u prefer human hatching day? this is the last time we leave u in charge of human birthing day,lol

      • Mike E. says:

        Uh, no, actually I prefer mother, and not reducing a person to a biological specimen.

      • David Collins says:

        i like mothers day also, and happy for the ones that can still celebrate with their mothers

    • steveccnv says:

      It’s all in the plan to destroy family. Once that’s accomplished it’s all over, and we’ll all be reduced to peasants

  165. Rockphin says:

    Answer to O-rob’s question above is that big running back that plays for Baltimore. I think his name is Lamar Jackson or something like that.

  166. David Collins says:

    yesterday was my moms birthday too, i sure miss her

    the ones that still have their mothers, you are quite fortunate, make the most of Your time together while You can

  167. Mike E. says:

    This is what happens when you try to please the .0000001% of the population. If they want to call it that among themselves, WGAF??? If they expect us all to call it that to make them feel “comfortable”, well, fuck that!

    • steveccnv says:

      That’s why I call Washington the Redskins or WTF, not playing their game

      • Mike E. says:

        Yeah, Aunt Jemima is offensive, but calling a woman who is a mother of a child a birthing receptacle is fine. Unfuckingbelievable. This is some seriously distorted shit.

      • steveccnv says:

        You give some people an inch and they want to take a mile, just how these fucktards are, and those allowing them power there’s a term for them too…

  168. Mike E. says:

    NFL schedule out in 2 days . . .

  169. Rockphin says:

    Well, just in advance do I don’t forget. Happy Impregnating person Day! Or is it “Happy Load Dumper Day”? What ever June 2oth is!

    Happy Sperm Donor day?

  170. Rhino says:

    ORob, good video on Gaskin.

    I posted a few days after the draft that Gaskin may not have 2nd level elusiveness BUT he DOES have the vision to find the hole and the upper body strength to get through “arm tackle” attempts. We have some B-gap run blockers (on both sides). It really seems that Flores’ mentality is “this will work for us in the context of where we are building the entire roster”.

    I will agree with MikeE on the narrator’s voice. lol. It sounded like a Patriots fan using a computer generated speech program to hide his identity while talking about the Dolphins. 🙂

    • steveccnv says:

      Gaskin is just getting started, if he was given the bell cow role bet he’d show better than Najee or Etienne this year, but since we’ll be using a committee type of RB his stats will have to be projected.

      The problem with projecting is he won’t be used in short yardage situations, that skew the stats, so…

      Bottomline is I like Gaskin, he’s prone to some injuries, which is where similar back Ahmed comes in, then add the 2 power backs and I like the group a lot.

      By waiting until the 7th to go RB, it allowed us to get Phillips, Holland, Eichenberg and Long.

      Would it have been to draft Najee at 18? Who knows, just glad we got Waddle

  171. steveccnv says:

    Hunter Long is a lunchpail type of TE, that can go down the seam on occasion, he’s not a playmaker like Gesicki.

    He may end up being a replacement for Gesicki, but that would include change of philosophy for how we use TE.

    What if we drafted him to compliment Gesicki, instead of to replace?

    The future salary cap is going to skyrocket, no time to be drafting a replacement for a playmaker, that’s only getting better, because he’s too expensive to re-sign.

    Smythe may be the guy that has to worry

    • bailbondmike says:

      That is what I was saying the other day. Sheehan or Smythe.

      • steveccnv says:

        Actually, I’d say Shaheen more than Smythe, because he doesn’t bring a skill that is better than the other 3.

        Gesicki the best receiver, Smythe the best blocker, Long the best 3rd down/short yardage receiver or all around

  172. bailbondmike says:

    I think our coaches liked what they saw in year one.

  173. steveccnv says:

    Our last playoff win was against the Colts, with Lamar Smith running for over 200, the next week he couldn’t get out of bed and laid an egg against the Raiders.

    Depth at RB is a good thing to have. On any given Sunday I could see any of the 4 carrying the load successfully.

    I could also see all 4 of them not succeeding on a given Sunday, but that’s besides the point 😉

  174. bailbondmike says:

    I think Bowden will make it as WR6.

    • steveccnv says:

      Here’s some skills others don’t including Wildcat and throwing, but not sure how he sees the field this year.

      We gave up a 3rd I believe to get him, so I don’t think they part ways with him this quickly, especially since he was pretty good EOY

  175. Rockphin says:

    Everyone forget about what reality is. Forget what guys ACTUALLY you know DID IN THE PAST. Let’s all just use our “eyeballs” as skewed by our preconceived notions and state what we believe is true even though history and past performance says otherwise.

    Gesicki in 4 years at Penn 129 catches 1481 yards 11.5 ave 15TD’s
    Long in 3 years at BC 89 catches 1297 yards 14.6 ave 9 TD’s

    Gesicki is OBVIOUSLY more of a “down field weapon” coming out of college. (insert eyeroll emoji here)

    • steveccnv says:

      Long’s college stats don’t match the eye test from what I saw, but I’d be shocked, if his ypc exceeds Gesicki’s in any year both have over 15 catches.

      Just don’t see him projecting to be a downfield NFL TE.

      College stats can be very misleading as to what he’ll do in the NFL

  176. herdfan says:

    I know what June 20th is going to be for me. It’s WV Day and the official lifting of the mask mandate here in Almost Heaven. I can not wait. Going to have a little mask burning bonfire. 😷🔥

  177. sb7mvp says:

    Hunter Long couldn’t hold Arthur Lynch’s jock.

  178. CavalierKong says:

    ocalarob says:

    the stat gets skewed after the 1st quarter, teams generally pass when they are playing catch up, and may run more often if they have a big lead.
    the stat that should tell the picture is which RBs had the best avg <9yds on 1st dn in 2020?

    in the 1st quarter


    What picture is it telling? You've narrowed the focus down to only 2-4 plays in an entire game, and that is for workhorse type backs. Non top backs you're probably talking 1-2 plays a game at most.

    Derrick Henry had 52 plays in 16 games that fit that criteria (appx 3.3 plays a game). He averaged 2.9 yds on those carries.

    Dalvin Cook had 43 in 14 games (appx 3 plays per game). He averaged 3.8 on those carries.

    Nick Chubb had 31 in 12 games (appx 2.6 plays per game). He averaged 2.5 yds on those carries.

    Aaron Jones 31 in 14 games (appx 2.2 per game). Avg 2.9 yds.

    Fournette with Tampa 11 in 6 games (appx 1.8 per game). Avg 2.0 yds.

    • ocalarob says:

      every team runs on 1st down in the 1st qtr sometime or another, who avg’s the best YPC on 1st down 9 yards or less in the 1st Qtr?

      should be a laundry list.

      from what you have above looks like Cook is the man, Henry is surprising but he breaks a lot of runs for long gains so omitting them may skew his perceived performance.

      • CavalierKong says:

        Cook has the best numbers, but it doesn’t necessarily correlate to wins. Cook’s team only won 7 last year.

        To be honest I’m not sure what we’re really saying with these numbers, other than we’re playing with the stats and seeing what the numbers tell us. Which I have to admit, I’m having fun doing.

        I wish this site had the 70’s, 80’s, and all the 90’s (it starts at 94). I bet the stats you’re wanting to look at tell a much bigger picture in those earlier decades.

        It’ll have 2 of 3 of those dominate running Cowboys teams of the 90s. I’ll have to pull up their numbers when I get a chance. I bet Emmett Smith averaged over 4 yds per no matter what point of the game it was.

  179. stangerx says:

    DK Metcalf ran the 100M in 10.36 seconds at an Olympic qualifying event on Sunday. Still real fast (winner was at 10.12) but only good for last in his initial heat.

    He started quick and was right up with the leaders but then faded. Too much training for the 40?

    • steveccnv says:

      He just doesn’t have world class speed in the 100, but we still know he’s really fast after running down Baker.

      Sure he’d be better in the 100 with more training, but don’t think he’s doing much 40 training these days

      • stangerx says:

        By training for the 40 meant for shorter bursts of speed. NFL concentrates on that. Not like he faded cause he got tired.

      • steveccnv says:

        Don’t think too many NFL players are training for the 40 after they get drafted

  180. CavalierKong says:

    Rock, why did you (insert eye roll emoji here) instead of just inserting an eye roll emoji there? lol
    For effect? Or is it a phone thing?

    • steveccnv says:


    • Rockphin says:

      I cannot post from my phone. Iphone will not log in so I can only post from my work computer (but only if I open a ghost connection direct from my desk top, which doesn’t go through my server which they have blocked the site on) or from home. I can’t get logged in on either of my Iphones (home or work) I used to be able to post from my phone, but that was before I “upgraded” from Android to Iphone……

  181. New Age says:


    Great info and thanks for all your work showing data. I think that last post shows that 1st quarter running isn’t that valuable today. Both teams are fresh and workhorse backs usually do better in the fourth when defenders are tired.

    I’d like a quick look at how many drives are killed by penalty. My quick and always accurate eye test says…. ALL OF THEM that fail.

    In all seriousness, most games seem fairly close until after halftime adjustments. I still believe one big reason we hit 10 wins was low penalties…and that will be a key again this year. Don’t beat yourself, and you will usually compete with anyone.

    • CavalierKong says:

      Cheers, New Age 🙂

      I’m having fun with the stats and Rob is giving me fresh stuff to look up. I’ve been surprised by a lot of the results.

      I just did a quick look, but I don’t think the site has penalty information. I’m guessing because most accepted penalties are non-plays, and this data is all about plays on the field.

      I know that it does calculate some of the penalty information, because looking at the 1st down information, most teams have an average yards to go over or under 10 (obviously calculating 1st and 15, 1st and 5, etc.).

      I agree with you about today’s game. Unless a team has completely outclassed the other, it’s usually 2nd half adjustments and execution that determine the game. It often feels like you can just throw the 1st half out the window.

      So much of the Patriots success came down to not beating themselves, and executing again and again in the moment in the 2nd half.

    • CavalierKong says:

      After seeing Bray’s success with Tampa, I wonder how ‘great’ Belicheat really is. He’s got a great defensive mind, and that shows up in some games no doubt, but the difference between him and Shula in talk of best all time comes down to playoff success and SB wins.

      We’ll see how the Pets do these last few years he has to coach them, but (here’s the tie in with the convo, lol) Brady was the one that executed in the moment in the 2nd half time and again. If Brady isn’t on the Pets, how many SBs does belicheat win?

  182. ocalarob says:

    Mike E. says:
    May 10, 2021 at 8:46 am
    Oh, Happy Birthing People Day! Ya gotta be kidding me with that nonsense. Oy!

    count back nine months should be …happy funny feeling day!

  183. stangerx says:

    You want the best scoop yet on how the 3-team or 2 2-team trades went down, Peter King has it. Sat down and talked with both Flores and Grier. Lots of interesting little facts.

    • CavalierKong says:

      Wow, great in-depth look at the conversations, the thought process, and the mechanics involved. Interesting to know the Niners had that deal on the table for weeks before we finally moved on it.

      • stangerx says:

        Seems pretty clear from what they said that wanted the trade up to get either Waddle or Smith. But then we’ll never know what they would have done if Pitts or Chase fell to them…. not like they’d admit would take one of them in a second now.

  184. Rockphin says:

    I heard all the available “booths” at D&B were already taken by Jenny Craig, WW international and this guy

  185. CavalierKong says:

    ocalarob says:
    May 10, 2021 at 12:58 pm
    every team runs on 1st down in the 1st qtr sometime or another, who avg’s the best YPC on 1st down 9 yards or less in the 1st Qtr?

    should be a laundry list.

    For 2020 it was:
    Niners – 3.8
    Minny – 3.7
    Lions – 3.6
    Saints – 3.4
    Jets – 3.4

    The Dolphins are tied at 3.3 in the next group with Car, GB, NE, and LAC.

    • CavalierKong says:

      I bet San Fran tops or is near the top of that list for the last 3 or 4 years. They have the kind of running game I think you’re looking for, Rob. They consistently run the ball well with power and speed, and their passing game is predicated on teams having to focus on stopping the run.

      • ocalarob says:

        i was looking for a run down of the rbs with that criteria, you only listed 4 in the previous post, i would assume there’s a lot more. i wonder who the top back was and how many YPC did he avg with that criteria?

      • CavalierKong says:

        To get lists of players, you have to sign up and pay a fee. I can look up lists of team stats and I can look up individual players. So I went with some of the top power backs in the league to get an idea of the numbers we’d see that would be relevant.

        I mean the Panthers may have a big bruising power back on their roster behind Mcaffrey, but if he only has three 1st quarter, 1st down carries on the season, that doesn’t really help us even if he averaged 8 yds per.

        If you’ve got any certain guys in mind, create a list, and I’ll look them up.

      • CavalierKong says:

        Raheem Mostert (Niners back) 23 carries in 8 games (appx 3 per game). Avg 4 even per carry.

      • CavalierKong says:

        Tevin Coleman (Niners RB) averaged 5 yds per, but he only had 2 in 2 games.

  186. Rockphin says:

    Brian Miller at Fansided thinks we have an easy schedule this year!

  187. Rockphin says:

    12-14 wins this season according to Mr. Miller….

  188. steveccnv says:

    Tampa, Buffalo x2, NE x2, TN, Indy, Balt, LV

    More hard games than easy, but could see us going 4-2 in division, maybe 4-1 NFC, 5-1 or 4-2 AFC.

    4 or 5 losses seems doable

    • steveccnv says:

      Then we have some games that are unfavorable due to scheduling, and we’ll lose a game we should’ve won like 2020 Denver…

  189. Rockphin says:

    Cav, but did those guys run between the tackles on those plays or outside?

    First down in the first quarter, 9 yards or less, BETWEEN the tackles, on Sundays, in September or October, when it is cloudy only on days after Tua had a Tuna sandwich for lunch on the previous Friday.

    • CavalierKong says:

      LOL, unfortunately, you have to sign up and pay the fee for the unlimited sandwich options filter.

      I can use those criteria and switch out the tuna for a ham and cheese on rye. Does that work? 🤣

    • stangerx says:

      Come’on Cav. If you don’t pay the fee how you can be a proper ORob research biotch? 🙂

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