Gone is P Matt Haack. The Dolphins signed the former Carolina Panthers punter Michael Palardy instead of re-signing the steady Matt Haack. Palardy has a higher average per punt than Haack at 46.0 compared to the 44.7 Haack had as Dolphins punter. The important guy who is returning is All Pro kicker Jason Sanders. Sanders had a fantastic season converting 36 of 39 FG tries. His kickoffs were nearly always touchbacks. MIchael Palardy has a big leg so we’ll see if we improve our field position with him booming the ball.
Jakeem Grant shared return duties last year with rookies WR Malcolm Perry and DB Noah Igbinoghene. Grant was electric, but you held your breath until he actually cradled the ball when receiving the punt or kickoff. This year I believe Jaylen Waddle will be incorporated into the game and may even make Jakeem Grant expendable. Time will tell on that one. Waddle is so explosive in his own right and I would imagine he’s a lot more sure handed than Grant has been. Still, Jakeem Grant may stick here just because of his electric punt return ability, he averaged 11.4 yards on his punt returns last season. I do believe Waddle will challenge here and Malcolm Perry may also.
Blake Ferguson returns as the long snapper after a fine rookie season. I don’t recall any Ferguson miscues last season so I’ll leave it that he did his job well. The big questions going forward is can Jason Sanders follow up hos All Pro season with another? Who will be the primary return man and if it’s rookie Jaylen Waddle, does Jakeem Grant make the cut? Also, if Jaylen Waddle is the primary return man, do they scale back his work at WR? It’s a lot to ask from a rookie because they have double work, but I would hope Waddle is up to task. Personally, I hope Waddle is part of our return game, I can’t wait to see that. Will new punter Michael Palardy help our field position battle? Haack was unspectacular last season but I thought he did a good job here. Obviously the Dolphins were looking for better and hopefully that’s what we get from Palardy.
The Xavien Howard holdout may affect DB Noah Igbinoghene the most. If he’s the guy that will be counted on to replace Howard, I’d almost guarantee his days as a return man are done for at least this season. He will be working hard to be up to snuff filling some tremendous shoes if the Dolphins can’t work things out with Xavien Howard. This is a huge issue to keep an eye on. You don’t replace 10 INT’s and in general shut down coverage easily and we all saw Iggy struggle last season. I don’t doubt Iggy will be better, but it’s a lot to step in for arguably one of the best corners in the NFL. We’ll see what happens on that front.
Finsmob Unleashed 
History couldn’t possibly repeat itself?
That should be impossible with everyone learning for the past’s mistakes!
Oh, and I got a page turn!!!!!!!
You’re nothing but a conspiracy theorist, a warped history-worshipper, a Nazi, a white supremacist, and somebody who only cares about themselves.
LOL, sound about right? I get that shit too, and I’m NONE of the above.
I respect ya, Wyoming!
Ken says:
June 21, 2021 at 9:45 pm
And if it doesn’t affect you why do care if Nasib has openly come out?
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I don’t care that Nassib is gay… that’s the whole point, bud. And that’s why I’m calling it a publicity moment.
In TODAY’S world, why should anyone care if he’s gay?
But again why care if it is a publicity moment? If he wants the attention for that so be it but I don’t think that is what it was about
Sir?
What is the gain for him personally? I say he put it out there. Period.
He has more to lose than gain….$25MM according to stanger. Would you?
You don’t seem to understand the power of becoming a “first”, Krishna. But as I showed you before the page turn, there have been many gays in the NFL prior to Nassib.
You said it was a publicity stunt. I disagree and ask you to justify your point, you call it a fight, i ask why is it a fight to ask you to justify your “publicity” comment. You still don’t.
I’m done. Typical conversation.
It’s my Friday!
Krishna, you are truly confounding to me. Me too, I’m done… typical convo.
Case and point: who gives a flying FUCK about one’s sexual preference? Not me, but apparently, it does mean something to others on this board… and that’s discriminatory in it’s own right.
Are we going to celebrate the first NFL player to bang a goat? I hate to tell y’all, but that probably already happened, too.
I don’t CARE about your sexual preferences! STFU and ball out for your team, players!
not sure why the need to “come out of the closet”
i don’t care what your sexual preference is in the least.
i don’t go around telling everyone i like to bang woman
why do i have to hear this guy tell me what he likes sexually?
i have nothing against anyone’s desires whatever they may be, i just don’t think i should have to be informed of it.
kinda stupid if you ask me,
shut up and rush the passer!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzozUw1TlDw
Point of order….Michael Sam was the first openly gay player in the NFL when he was drafted and signed by the Rams in 2014. Just sayin’.
I personally don’t care what gender sleeps with what gender… the fact he put it out in the middle of Pride Month is , I assume by design .. and likely to inspire others to step out/up
And be proud and true to yourself… jut my .02
But I also agree that in this day and age it really shouldn’t , and to me doesn’t matter.
Ken,
That’s a terrible argument and I wish liberals would come up with something new every once in a while. No one cares about who someone else loves. Outside of immediate family almost no one in the past 25 years has cared. It’s one reason activists never talk about gay marriage anymore. It doesn’t give virtue points anymore.
The issue is with it being pushed down people’s throats. Nassib is at best an average player. 3rd round journeyman DE wants some attention for something besides being good at football. I could care less who he dates, etc. Is he good at football? Doesn’t seem like it. No one in the NFL cares who he dates as long as he focuses on football. Just play good football. Can you do that Carl?
That’s the problem though. There are plenty of gay people that just want to live their lives. But, there are also a ton whose only value seems to be their sexuality. I don’t ever want to hear about that stuff from anyone. Your preferred pronouns, who you had sex with, what you did last night….I could care less. Keep it to yourself like the rest of us do. If your entire existence revolves around your sexuality, then you are a sad example of a human. I want to be around people with hobbies, goals, life experiences other than “I’m gay!”. I know plenty that do that and plenty that won’t. I hang out with gay people who are interesting. Just being gay isn’t interesting.
You may think no one cares but that’s just not true. If no one cares I don’t get why people take issue with his announcement.
Here’s my two cents, if anyone cares…
It seems the people that complain that they don’t care are really the only ones that actually have a problem with it and seem to care the most- except for the people that he is actually sending his message to IMO (*down below).
I also see people think that gay people don’t have any more work to do in the fight for their civil rights. It’s all good, they are accepted and there is no discrimination anymore. I don’t have my pulse on that community, but I highly doubt that is true. Sure, gay marriage isn’t talked about anymore- because it was made legal by the highest court in the land and is now legal in all 50 states. What else is there to say on that front? Other than the courts needing to determine business and religious rights vs discrimination/ civil rights in things like cake cases for gay married couples.
(As an aside- I waffle back and forth on that one all the time. On the one hand I don’t think anyone in business should be able to discriminate for any reason. On the other, I don’t think anyone should be forced to participate in something they feel is immoral, go get your effing cake down the street.)
Michael Sam was the first to be actively gay, but he never made it out of training camp because he wasn’t good enough, so assuming this guy is active this season, he’ll be the first to actually play in the NFL. I personally think Sam already kinda broke that barrier down since he played in preseason, but I don’t know what it actually means to that community.
I personally don’t give two shits what his preference is, and his announcement means nothing to me. It also doesn’t create some visceral reaction in me just because he puts it out there- because I genuinely don’t care. It doesn’t ‘bother’ me that he told the world his preference and announced he’s gay. For me it’s a *shrug*, ok, just like it would be if he felt the need to announce he is hetero.
As a matter of fact, the only reason I’m making this comment is because the others on this board who were arguing this side of it were doing a piss poor job of it, and I’m looking for a little parity in the conversation, lol.
When I see that guy make his statement, the first thing I think isn’t that he’s making it because he wants attention. I could be wrong, I completely acknowledge that. It might genuinely be all about him.
*But the first thing I think is maybe this is a guy who struggled with his identity his whole life, maybe really struggled as a kid. Maybe his being gay wasn’t accepted. Maybe he lost family members and/or friends because of it. Maybe he had to hide who he was most of his life. Maybe he sees this is still a struggle in his community even though a bunch of straight guys says it’s all good now. And maybe now he is stepping up and making that statement for other kids or gay folk that may be feeling what he felt.
Or maybe that isn’t his story, but it’s the story he sees over and over from his friends and community, and he sees this as a platform to talk to them and make an impact on people going through that.
He’s talking to them, not the people that ‘don’t care’. He’s saying look how far they’ve come. It’s ok to be who you are, look at where he is. He’s in this macho sport, and he can be himself. We’re at a place in this country now where they can do this.
It just seems to me, everyone wants to make it about themselves and what they feel instead of looking at it through the lens of what gay people may feel. IDK, maybe you just can’t see it through that perspective, so all you see is how it makes you feel.
Or maybe this is all wrong, and dude was sitting around thinking “how can I get my name in the papers right now? I know, I’ll announce this really personal part of my life for everybody to judge so I can be famous for a minute.”
Anyway, that is my own take. We’re all entitled to our reactions to it, and if it truly bothers you that he announced this because you see it as a political ploy, or a grab for attention, or for whatever reason, that is yours. I’m not saying you should feel any different, or even that you’re wrong, because again, I don’t know.
Also, I just want to announce right here and now to the blog I am 100% straight, I love women. Please don’t be offended by this message. So neener neener, LOL
Cheers 🙂
Also, if you weren’t bothered by me announcing that I’m 100% straight, and seriously why would that bother you, then why does it bother you that dude announced it? **Introspection required, but message likely not received.**
Ok, time to give Kong the crown lol.
lol, I probably should have cut a couple of dozen paragraphs.
And I just noticed I used the phrase “I don’t have my pulse on…”
instead of
“I don’t have the pulse of…”
LOL, what the hell does ‘I don’t have my pulse on’ mean?
I don’t think Nassib is gay. I met him at the Senior Bowl and he didn’t hit on me at all.
Lucy
I file this under….. Ok? I don’t see the talking points tbh. He wanted to come out, he felt like it’s the right time for him, Good for him, and let’s move along. There really just isn’t anything to get upset about or make a big deal over
CK, thanks for answering my question to Mf13 for him.
If truly the ones that ‘don’t care’ then why be offended and label it a publicity stunt.
I would have thought after stanger made the post that if ‘don’t care’ then why post a comment or be offended. Silence might have been the appropriate response. Shrug your shoulders and file it in your brain as “interesting” because for most of us, it was that vs the ones that “don’t care.”
Geez, loueez
I like the idea of Musical Mondays, Wyo.
Thank you.
its probably for the good, that the dolphins, or any FL team dont have any outwardly gay players,
desantis would probably try to ban them and that would create a huge legal mess and distraction
My take is this. I’ll never know what is to be gay, so I’ll never understand the obstacles that a gay man has to endure. I have gay friends and for a very long time I didn’t know one of my childhood friends was gay. I guess Kong touched on some of why Nassib may have made it public, to show other gay people how far you can go and you shouldn’t allow yourself to be held back because of your sexual preference. Gays are far more accepted these days than in the last 50 years but to think that there are some people who don’t still hate gays just because they’re different is ignorant. There’s still plenty of that good ole discrimination to go around. What bothers me and I’ve said it here many times is for example NYC St. Patrick’s Day Parade. There are gay groups that want to march but fly their gay or gay pride flags instead of the typical flags you see at the parade such as High School, College or Marching Band or whatever. They won’t be allowed to do that if that’s what they want to put up and I agree with that. Why not just march as people? Why must they differentiate themselves from others, and in doing so, not be allowed to march? No one has Heterosexual Pride banners so why should there be Gay Pride banners? I guess it’s something I still just don’t comprehend, and maybe I never will.
I agree with the vast majority of what you say here
To add, I saw a post on FB from the childhood friend of mine who was gay and I didn’t know for quite some time, it was a picture of Carl Nassib and a heading above it that said “Free at last, free at last, Thank God he is free at last”. Again, I can’t comprehend what that might feel like but confession can be a huge release so it might be something very similar.
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Because historically people haven’t been made to feel ashamed, targeted, or discriminated against for being heterosexual (unless there was promiscuity involved, but that wasn’t solely for being hetero). I know it’s been said that’s history, but literally all of life is history.
“I’m not bothered by the announcement at all” -somebody obviously really bothered by the announcement
lol
Also, I can’t think of anything gayer than a day called “music mondays” so thanks for the laugh of irony.
SB – So should Black Gays have a special banner because they were discriminated against? Can’t people just be part of “everyone” rather than separating? That’s my hangup with that, I understand your premise, but I still don’t agree. It’s like they want to be accepted but still prefer to differentiate rather than be with everyone else.
Sorry, was addressing this statement only.
“No one has Heterosexual Pride banners so why should there be Gay Pride banners?”
When you’re hetero you don’t have to announce it because that’s the way most of the world is, but when you’re gay you often times have to hide it or face consequences.
100%
Thats why its their decision, and not ours. Just like with gay marriage, it was kind of a fight over a word, but when you broke it down the heaviest question laid on the side of why if you are straight do you care? I mean it wasn’t like your right to be married is being taken away, they are just getting added to the term, so it was a fight over sole ownership of a word and a few legal thing that quite frankly should be considered half bad anyways.
Even the very religious friends, the ones that cant yield for God’s sake, i asked them, so you believe that God doesn’t condone gay marriage and that’s why you fight so hard? So how strong is your God? My god doesn’t need human beings running to his aid, pretty sure he can handle gays being married by the rules of man. Simple point is if God doesn’t condone it, does changes to the laws of man force him to? No? Ok where’s the damn fight then, its exclusionary and not inclusionary, and my God is all inclusive.
I dont mean to get preachy, i know some of ya’ll have a problem with it, and that’s God’s will as well, but to me, what i hate more than anything is God’s wishes and words be twisted to exclude people, or hate others, or discriminate, because that’s not what he wants and situations like these expose a lot of the people who hide behind religion to be bad people. Im not perfect in the least, but im not going to fall into the trap of hating others in “God’s name”. Pretty sure things like love thy neighbor doesn’t have caveats that say, as long as they are just like you.
Krishna says:
June 22, 2021 at 6:14 am
CK, thanks for answering my question to Mf13 for him.
If truly the ones that ‘don’t care’ then why be offended and label it a publicity stunt.
I would have thought after stanger made the post that if ‘don’t care’ then why post a comment or be offended. Silence might have been the appropriate response. Shrug your shoulders and file it in your brain as “interesting” because for most of us, it was that vs the ones that “don’t care.”
Geez, loueez
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To be understood correctly, i was 100% talking tongue in cheek, though it would come across that way when i said that i didn’t think he was gay because he wasn’t interested in me lol. im mostly just commentary anyways, don’t have a dog in the fight, like other have stated i i am not gay, so my understanding of it, is rudimentary and cerebral, but its a heart thing. Like has been stated before it doesn’t affect or bother me and maybe you are right the silence is the best response but everyone is throwing in their pennies i just thought id throw in my own lol.
Incidentally Krishna, good discussion yesterday and you are right there are ways to improve most ailments with a cleaner lifestyle, less pollution of the body through refined sugars etc, and you are 100% correct that your feel better across the board with those adjustments and outside of a pill. Im not part of the pill culture, but im also not not part of it lol, if that makes sense. I have seen the benefits of eating right and exerciseing right, etc, and i should get back to those ways. Too easy to make something quick or grab something quick to go and as a single parent now, i fell into their trap lol.
SBJ – You guys still talking about this shit? Ima be back later. Maybe David can start a convo about crypto or something.
Lol, or he could go SJW on this subject and really pur gas on the fire lol.
No shit
It’s all about politics, the gay part is just the pawn
In other words people care, because it’s political, no one really cares who came out or that someone is gay
Mike E. says:
June 22, 2021 at 7:58 am
To add, I saw a post on FB from the childhood friend of mine who was gay and I didn’t know for quite some time, it was a picture of Carl Nassib and a heading above it that said “Free at last, free at last, Thank God he is free at last”. Again, I can’t comprehend what that might feel like but confession can be a huge release so it might be something very similar.
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That’s a nice summary of the point. We (at least I’m assuming majority of us here) dont understand it, and we dont struggle with it, and we dont know the daily grind of being one way and portraying another. We cant empathize correctly because we cannot gather the full force of that burden, and its easy not understanding and saying its just a attention grab instead of, like your friend was expressing, a complete unburdening of ones life. Since we cant truly understand it, its best not to condemn the motives, just be glad for their unburdening.
Las Vegas Butt Raiders
lol
This will get y’all off the gay talk. lol
Phel, Sam never played in the league except for preseason all he did was get drafted.
First openly gay player to be drafted and that barely happened either. There are plenty of them out of the hundreds of players in the NFL I’m sure. For the longest time i thought Suh was going to come out, but then he got married lol. He really gave off a gay but in the closet kind of vibe imo.
What does being married to a women have to do with not being gay?
I always thought journeyman QB Jeff Garcia was gay until he married that playboy model.
Otro vez
I still think Tom Brady is gay.
I had a friend in LA, that everyone thought was gay. His excuse was always he liked the hottest chicken and she wasn’t interested.
So, maybe that applies to Brady, he’s really gay and the hottest chicken didn’t turn him down, so they got married as a cover
82 days until the Dolphins kick the shit out of the Pats!!
Hey, stop trying to shorten Mike’s summer!
Yes
Not sure if it is representative of how polite people on this board are or a sign of the times, but Carl Nassib’s announcement elicited no gay bashing.
Imagine the same coming out 30 years ago in a similar forum. Sure know what the guys on my rugby team then would be saying.
Kong 30 years ago: It sure is taking a long time for everyone to respond to my letter…and why the hell am did I just call myself “Kong”…
LOL J/BB
lol — one of my old buddies back in those days wakes up with a pretty hot woman, which he is happy about, but doesn’t remember much. They go to a diner and she keeps calling him “King.” Eventually he asks why….. “cause that’s what you kept telling me to call you last night.” Name stuck.
LOL, and she kept it up the next morning. Did he marry her?
She was gone pretty quick, but name wasn’t. Especially when he was talking to some woman at a bar or party.
Kong catches up on board, and he sees friendly comment from Mike, M13, and Ken yesterday about his cooking.
Kong: Hey honey, we have to move to the northeast because some of my Finsmob friends want some food.
Wife: What the heck are you talking about? Oh speaking of food, my friend is coming to stay over Friday night. Will you make the smoked chicken halves I’ve been raving to her about?
Yes
Mike, I still recall you talking on the board about a Sunday sauce you were making one day, so if it ever happens, I want to try your homemade cookin’ as well. We’ll have a few drinks and exchange some recipes
Howard was open to moving on even during last season. Maybe he figured best to cash in while the iron was hot from that great season. Or does he just not like it here?
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“Howard is believed to be considering his options at this point. Those options include asking for a trade — something he has discussed with confidantes and would not be a surprising outcome.
Whether the Dolphins would consider a trade, even if he holds out during training camp, is very much in question. The Dolphins declined to pursue a trade last October when he conveyed to the Dolphins that he was open to it.”
— Barry Jackson, Miami Herald
X isn’t LeVeon, doubt he sits out a year, so don’t see how he has any leverage.
For a guy with bad knees, that has missed plenty of games, and is 1 year into a 5 year contract, he’s got some nerve asking for a new contract
Thought I read somewhere there wasn’t much interest in him on a trade
X ain’t Bell but he is a whole lot like Minkah. We know what happened there. His leverage is causing trouble and doesn’t seem like Flores likes that.
Would be nice to know if Iggy is the real deal before cutting X loose
The coaches know a whole lot more about that than we do. Nice to have quality and depth in the DB’s….. with or without X.
The way this staff coaches players up, we really could see a nice jump in on field play from Iggy. It’s nice to actually believe that could happen, a big change from the last 10-15 years where we rarely saw that improvement from the younger players.
Fansided must read us, they’ve come over to the darkside.
They have a new article out listing the 3 things the Dolphins must do to win the division.
One of which is slight improvement from Tua.
Same as I’ve been saying, Tua doesn’t need to improve his play much for us to make the playoffs, his improvements will come from upgraded WRs, his full hip recovery, knowing the playbook much better…
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/chicago-cubs-world-series-mvp-alleges-wife-had-sexual-affair-with-pastor-who-provided-the-couple-marriage-counseling/ar-AALjP2D?li=BBnb7Kz
Wow, not sure it can get much worse than your pastor/ marriage counselor sleeping with your wife…
Only to help assist in the marital counseling he had to it check to see what the problem is
LOL, after a thorough investigation, I’ve concluded the problem with your marriage is you are doing it wrong.
Seems that at the core of her issues sir, is she needed dick from another man, turns out i was the other man. Your marriage is saved. Please pay the secretary on the way out.
CavalierKong says:
June 22, 2021 at 1:19 am
Here’s my two cents, if anyone cares…
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that was more like 10 bucks worth!
LOL, I was a ramblin’ man
Jakeem Grant is a great kick returner, but how much are kick returners worth today with the rule changes?
Most of them get kicked in the endzone. Yeah sometimes run out of there if not blasted over it but if the guy stays goes to the 25 instead of the 20 like before. Seems the returns don’t get to the 25 as often as they do. And if you run it out there is the risk of the penalty that happens so often on returns.
Punt returns same as before but think the days of keeping a guy on your roster just as a kick returner should be gone.
If you need that homerun at the end of the game to either get you the win or set your offense up for a game winning drive they become hella important……BUT when he fumbles as much as he does, it could also be the nail in your coffin.
For sure having that bust it on any return guy is a great option to have, but now we have Waddle too….. even if we just trot him out on returns in situations like that.
But my main point is kick returner just ain’t as important as used to be.
Yeah i tend to agree, they have taken kick returns away as a major weapon in games because of those rule changes.
Kong, i make a Hawaiian braised chicken thighs that sounds similar to your chicken adobo. Its probably a bit sweeter but served with rice or in tacos, its pretty damn good.
I love to try people homemade dishes, its interesting how people put different spins on things.
I’m all about trying homemade cooking for the same reason. 20 people can do 20 different things with the same dish, all equally interesting. I’m always looking to learn news things. Like I mentioned awhile back, I thought I knew everything there was to know about bacon, then I found the twisted bacon technique, and the results blew my mind.
Food is glorious 🙂
Its as much my drug as anything we have dicussed int he past few days lol
discussed in the past few days
Xavian Howard is the 6th highest paid player in yearly average in the NFL (ALL PLAYERS) but because they front loaded the contract (in the final year of his original contract) by giving him a 15 Mil bonus the final years of his contract SEEM to pay him only 10Mil which is 11th among CB’s.
So the fucker is getting paid like a top 6 at all positions but he is only getting yearly salary going forward as the highest paid CB. Perception being that he isn’t worth the top pay at CB.
FUCK PERCEPTION! MAN YOUR AVERAGE PAYS YOU IN THE TOP 10 OF THE LEAGUE!!
Pull you panties out of your snatch and go to work and earn your fucking pay!
Trade this malcontent to Detroit!!!!
wow lost hole sentences out of that post! Weird!
**whole
**going forward as the 11th highest paid CB
Was that 6th highest non-QB? $20 mil a year is chump change when it comes to a QBs on a second contract.
On the surface, Howard is on a 5-year, $75.25M contract extension that was signed in the summer of 2019. His $15.05M average per season is still the 6th-highest annual average salary in the NFL. So what gives? Is Howard really that upset over that lofty of pay
And right above that is “he’s not ranking well among other NFL cornerbacks.”
Author could have been more clear, but here are your 6 highest paid players:
Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes: $45 million.
Cowboys QB Dak Prescott: $40 million.
Texans QB Deshaun Watson: $39 million.
Seahawks QB Russell Wilson: $35 million.
Packers QB Aaron Rodgers: $33.5 million.
Rams QB Jared Goff: $33.5 million.
On the flip side I can understand Howard’s hurt pussy. They gave him his extension in ’19 but then in ’20 the drafted a new CB in the first round and signed Jones for more money than him. Mixed signals from the front office for sure.
Krishna says:
June 22, 2021 at 6:14 am
CK, thanks for answering my question to Mf13 for him.
If truly the ones that ‘don’t care’ then why be offended and label it a publicity stunt.
I would have thought after stanger made the post that if ‘don’t care’ then why post a comment or be offended. Silence might have been the appropriate response. Shrug your shoulders and file it in your brain as “interesting” because for most of us, it was that vs the ones that “don’t care.”
Geez, loueez
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Look, I don’t care that Carl Nassib is gay, I don’t care that he came out and declared it, I don’t care about the timing, and actually, I don’t care for your assumptions about me… thinking because I had an opinion that I must be against gays.
When Michael Sam came out in 2014, it dominated headlines — both sports and non-sports — for about 2 months straight: it was non-stop. And, he didn’t even make it out of camp! My beef is with the agenda-driven, shove it down your throat, MSM (Main Stream Media).
I don’t know if I can go through another 2-month stint of the MSM putting something that is Constitutionally legal and generally accepted by all on a pedestal. It’s the never-ending agenda that bothers me.
Example: I’m absolutely sure you’re tired of “Tebow-Mania” (who isn’t?). It’s as though an agenda being shoved down YOUR throat.
DID YOU KNOW: last I heard (about 2 weeks ago), Tim Tebow was the #1 selling jersey in the NFL.
The Tebow hype-train is back in business.
I think we can agree that both Tebow and Nassib are non-stories, right? This is all political (as always), and I’m tired of politics getting in the way of sports enjoyment. I’m tired of the MSM and their agenda-driven drivel.
You probably didn’t know that Nassib came from PSU, that I wanted us Phins to draft him, so know that I will ALWAYS root for him!
I hope that’s explanation enough for you… you’re barking up the wrong tree, sir.
and yet here I am STILL reading about it…….
I had to address what was said about me earlier, that’s all. I’m ready to move past it as well.
Just to remind you of what I asked you and why I questioned your “attack” on his coming out:
Marinofan13 says:
June 21, 2021 at 7:58 pm
Seriously, who cares? That’s Nassib’s business, not mine or anybody else’s business.
Are we all supposed to celebrate, or put a target on his back? Neither seem appropriate, so why the big deal about it?
It’s 2021, and homosexuality is now generally accepted in American society… so why the publicity, I ask? Is it for shock-value, or is it agenda-driven?
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“Attack”?!! Alright, you win… I guess you’re right, Krishna. Whatever you say. I’m not going to argue with ya any longer on this, because you’re clearly right, as usual.
There will be no further deviance from you, my EXCELLENCY.
stangerx says:
June 22, 2021 at 12:45 pm
Not sure if it is representative of how polite people on this board are or a sign of the times, but Carl Nassib’s announcement elicited no gay bashing…
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It’s a sign of the times, Stanger… and that’s a great observation on your part. NOBODY here has bashed on Nassib.
Stanger,
I feel as though Jakeem Grant is as good as gone. What’s more, he’s eating $4.7M of cap space this year.
We’re going to have to make some cuts/trades, thereby having enough $$$ to give X a new contract… IF we so wish.
We’ll be cutting some vets no matter what. And think you seriously underestimate the power of a new contract structure, the pro-rated signing bonus and, if needed, redos on other contracts. They could free up $20 million in the next week if they wanted.
RIGHT!!! See below, man!
Stanger, you are right. I should have seen that number and known it wasn’t accurate.
Didn’t have to look up that the QBs get the chicks and the big contracts. 🙂
Man, I already have a hard-on for X. Regardless of what happens in the next few months, I already want him off my team. Don’t care about 10 Int’s.
I can’t make my mind up on X. Half of me agrees with you, the other half wants to do almost anything to retain him. We’ll see what happens…
I’m kind of fed up with the selfish attitude too. If he was near the end of his contract, I’d have a lot more sympathy, but he just signed that deal 2 years ago, and it was a really good deal at the time. Sorry the market passed you by, and sorry we drafted and signed other CBs for the good of the team without consulting you first.
We gave him a contract making him the highest paid CB while he still had a year left on his contract, then he was injured and played 5 games that year. What kind of contract would he have gotten if we hadn’t extended him, and he went into FA after that injury season instead of being extended before it?
And THAT’S the half of me who wants to trade his ass ASAP.
Or if we can’t get the compensation we want or the right trade partner, tell him to go ahead and hold out.
My thoughts are still pretty much the same. Offer him a deal to make him the highest paid CB on or team (not the league), if he balks, try to get two 1st for him from a team in the NFC or the Texans, otherwise sorry charlie play or holdout, your choice.
Part of me doesn’t like his attitude and another part says he’s just trying to make his living in a short career window. Neither of those makes him a team first guy though.
I thought that until I heard the other day how he thought it was a slap in the face that we drafted a CB in the 1st and signed Jones. So in my mind, this wouldn’t be an issue if those two things didn’t happen, so it’s really not about the money, it’s about his ego.
But his ego is tied to the money he gets. Right after that said “I’m gonna make them pay.” And last I checked 2 CBs always played and 3 CBs the majority of the time.
To me, it seems his motivation is tied to the ego, and his response is to get more money. And yeah, it’s not weird we got more CBs, lol, that’s why it’s bullshyte.
NOT saying that we’ll do this or should, but follow me (I stated this the other day)…
IF Iggy is ready to go at boundary CB (looks good thus far, but it’s still early), move Byron Jones back to his natty Safety position. In doing so, we could cut/trade Eric Rowe ($6M). Follow that up by cutting/trading Jakeem Grant ($4.7M), and we’ve got nearly $11M in cap savings (we’d absorb a small amount of dead cap, around $2M… no big deal).
With that money, on top of our $9.6 in current cap space, we’re looking at around $20M under the cap.
We could re-sign Ogbah, Gesicki, sign the rest of our Draft class, and possibly give X a new, front-loaded contract… again… IF we so wish.
You don’t need much cap room for the re-signs. My best advice is not to get caught up in creating cap room. It is so easy to do without cutting people.
yeah and these guys are super good at it with all the information to eval it fully. Hell i bet there are people on the team right now that they are like, i need to get him at this value on these different years and if i cant there is a guy coming up in FA that i can and i dont lose much, they are like 10 steps ahead of the game. Im not worried.
How the hell is KC going to move forward with Mahomes averaging 25% of the salary cap? How do you pay one of the 51 guys 25% of the allocation and still make a team work??
Mahomes will eventually have to do a Tom Lady*… and that is to take less money in order to keep a functional team.
Because as it is, he takes them to the Superbowl almost every year. They will be in the conversation as one of the most likely teams to be going back this year. It is what it is. Its not like they don’t know all this stuff about putting that much in one player. They do it based upon professional option and planning, so you just have to assume they know what they are doing. Time will tell if it destroys them. They do have pretty easy out on his contract moving forward if things go south, and there is always the option of moving the money around later. Maybe they are counting on him doing a Brady and letting them get away with paying him almost nothing (Lol as if 9mil is nothing) for a couple years to “keep the team together” Im in the same boat with X, if they wanna extend him i don’t see the problem, and if they dont they wont, so its kinda moot point. I trust them not to ruin the team either way, by letting him walk or by putting us in a bad cap situation.
Looks like i owe ya a beer M13
Has he even said he is going to hold out? I still haven’t seen him really say anything about that. I know he didn’t attend some mini camp stuff, but has he been talking hold out?
Just rumors he’s considering it. He may not, and this whole thing becomes moot. We’re really just spinning wheels here, lol.
yeah i mean im not going to get pissed about his “attitude” until he starts talking about holding out, that’s the point where he puts himself ahead of team, and until he does that i say what he is doing trying to get a better contract for himself if perfectly reasonable. These guys don’t get to have super long careers most the time, he needs to wring out as much as he can because it wont be long before it disappears. If anything is a young man’s game its pro sports. I hope he does the right thing when the time comes and i hope the team does whatever is best for the the team when the time comes.
He was one of two players who did not show up for mandatory minicamp. His agent has asked for more money. Flores has talked about his contract situation in an interview. Sure sounds like something going on to me.
Well yeah something is going on he wants a change to his contract, he is obviously, by way of his agent pushing for onw, but missing a mini cap or two isn’t a season hold out. It doesn’t hurt us for him to miss those IF he comes to the PS stuff, and is ready to play. The other players aren’t sour over it. So to me, he starts talking about holding out thats the more serious play for him. Its now strong arming the team and putting himself above team. that’s when ill sour on it. He’ll pay fines for missing but if he shows up for the PS stuff, im not overly worried about a few missed mini camps, there are some players that don’t come to any of that stuff and they never held out. Suh was notorious for it, even though he did have a better attendance with us than he did with Detroit.
Well, D, the rumors are out there because his camp is putting that out there, so isn’t that the same as ‘talking’ about holding out.
D says:
June 22, 2021 at 4:19 pm
Looks like i owe ya a beer M13
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Gracias!
Where has Tim been? Haven’t seen him here for a few days.
It’s possible he was abducted by aliens, but more likely he’s taking a few days away from the offseason nonsense we get up to on the board, lol.
LOL
Have a feeling we’ll be reading more stories like this down the road. Getting the vax ain’t tough.
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Two people are dead after a recent COVID-19 outbreak in the IT department of a county government building in Manatee County, Florida ― leaving only one person, who was vaccinated, unscathed.
Of the six known exposures that occurred around the same time, at least four people have reportedly been hospitalized and two have died. One of those people died last week in the hospital, while the other one died at home, Dr. Scott Hopes, a county administrator and epidemiologist
Appears both fatalities were older (Not surprising given the demographics of Manatee County). Will be interesting to see if there were existing conditions.
Kong – Anytime brother! My chili is also something that needs to be tried. I took a recipe and modified it to my liking.
Sounds like a NE Fest is in order… probably for a Phins @ stej game. CavKong can be the chef, Jahndoh can bring his brew, and we can all chip in for the food and brew.
Heck, I’d be willing to chip in for some NLCs, too… if only our guy FFR was still with us!
Sounds like a plan!
“Not only will Waddle help Tua Tagovailoa when the second-year signal-caller targets his former college teammate, but the speedy playmaker will also generally command a lot of attention, which will help the whole offense have more space to work with and inherently drive up the unit’s potential to be extremely efficient. Last season, 29.4 percent of Miami’s targets to wide receivers were thrown into tight windows — the highest rate in the NFL, per Next Gen Stats. Over the past two college campaigns, Pro Football Focus ranks Waddle in the top five in yards per route run (3.6, including a robust 4.4 in 2020 alone) and yards after the catch per reception (11.5). My model says his speed when open — i.e., when no defenders are closer than 3 yards — is the fastest in this draft class. And according to PFF, Waddle also had just one drop on 29 catchable passes during his injury-abbreviated 2020 campaign.”
— NFL Network’s analytics expert, Cynthia Frelund
The test that died caught a super virus strain of Covid brought on by the vaccinated one who was a carrier of that strain. It’s also reported that the two people who died turned into zombies, which was expected since they caught what is now being called the vaccine induced “zombie” strain. Or at least that’s how I heard it. I’m so excited.
Two
I have ammo
BBM, check this out!!! LOL
Binge watching Vikings. Awesome.
And a thunderstorm rolling through. I love thunderstorms.
HEY STEVE, your Vegas Knights are in deep shit tonight, trailing Montreal 3-0 at the half way point of this contest. A win by the Habs tonight puts them ahead 3 games to 2 in this series. Truthfully, I thought this series was over when Vegas crushed Montreal 5-1 in game one of this series. Oh, how WRONG I WAS! Gotta give the Canadiens credit for coming back from a 3 games to 1 disadvantage against the Maple Leafs. But, somehow, THIS SERIES the boys from Montreal have LOOKED EVEN BETTER since losing the first game of the series. And things look kinda grim for the home standing Knights.
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MEANWHILE, the Lightning go for the CLINCHER in tomorrow night’s sixth game from Long Eyeland. But I’m NOT counting New York out yet, NOT by a long shot, even though they got DESTROYED in last night’s 8-0 blowout loss in Amalie Arena. Tomorrow is another day.
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GO-O-O-O BOLTS!!
There was a long display of lightning behind the clouds last night in ATX; then a rolling thunder. It was amazing for its extended unfolding.
I go out in storms….lol. They fascinate me.
Last night 9:21 pm
21 minutes of the 21st hour of the 21st day of the 21st week of the 21st year of the 21st century.
Now ‘taint that some shit 🍺
Damn, and I missed it or did I? lol
If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, did it make a sound?
Well if X holds out, then we’ll finally get to see what Iggy has. He’s giving the team a chance to easily move on from him if Iggy is truly there. However, Howard knows where Iggy is in terms of his development and maybe he’s not scared.
Anyway, very few positions on a football team are worth a lot of cap space and top notch CB is one of them. I say find a way to get this man his money, even if he holds out. I’m not one of those people who villainize hold outs. It’s one of the few options of leverage a player has in contract negotiations, regardless of what he just signed.
The fact remains that none of us have the job that Howard does, so all of this “honor your contract” talk is just chest puffing, especially when it comes from some of the biggest whiners on the blog. It’s just jealousy plain and simple.
This roster will be lucky to get into the playoffs this year anyway even with X playing, so I doubt his holdout is going to be truly detrimental to the team. We do have backup plans and if we have to trade the guy, we’ll get a nice payday to either:
A: Draft another CB
B: Trade for another CB
Regardless, it’s just football. Be glad it’s still around to complain about.
Yeah, i mean its not the end of the world if they do trade him, if they move on it soon while his value is sky high they get in return a pick that likely replaces him. That said though. CB isnt the easiest position to replace, like i have said plenty of times it probably 2nd hardest to adjust to the NFL speed of the game. Howard was a hit for us, he took less time to acclimate than most.
Trade to replace his level of ability, even close to his ability level, that’s going to be costly. Draft to replace him, probably take a year or two to get back to his level of production, but its pretty viable as a choice.
If we can get a first and change for him, its a good enough trade to re-coup. My only issue is we are in year two of Tua’s contract, we need to be making a concerted effort to make our strike soon. Losing our best defensive piece right now is going to put a wrinkle in that plan and you can 100% guarantee thats known by Howard and his agent.
Yeah, that’s why I said we should find a way to get him paid, but we still have options if we can’t.
No situation is really a dead end, it cant be to be successful in business, I’m sure they have options already planned out for this situation. Either way it works out, we will survive and likely with nothing more than a minor setback. keeping him, to me is still the smartest option, if it an be done and not kill the overall team.
pheloniusphish says:
June 22, 2021 at 7:24 pm
I have ammo
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Most gun enthusiast i know of have stock piles and that’s smart because i haven’t at all figured out how the anti-gun peeps having found the loophole. Right to bear arms, sure, but not right to have ammo lol. Just sayin. Be wary and keep a good stash because one day the dumb dumbs will figure that out.
Using the shotgun less is another reason to believe Tua should be better than last year.
I’m a fan of the pistol, i do think being a couple steps into the drop, especially against some teams helps a lot but i really dont like the RB taking a handoff so far back. Shotgun to me telegraphs pass, and hampers the run because even if they are thinking pass, by time the RB has the ball and makes it back to the LOS, they have adapted. With these super athletic LB’s this gives them way too much time to react unless you let the play really develop so they are pulled back in coverage too far.
Shotgun also really affects people like Tanny who did a 5 to 7 step drop off an already 3 step drop shotgun position and then you take a mega loss on the sack. Shotgun for a guy like Brady is just giving him room to step up and plan for the pass, he doesn’t drop off an already dropped position. So works for some but not all QB’s.
Step up and step into the throw i should have said.
I like the pistol too, especially after seeing firsthand what some POS at NV was able to do with it
X has some leverage, but the real leverage falls with the team.
Don’t think it matters much for his play, if he holds out of camp, so let him holdout and call his bluff, then, if there’s still big enough issues at the trade deadline, trade him.
What benefit do we get by trading him now?
Draft picks should be the comp, so might as well wait
How would X know the development of Iggy, if he hasn’t attended any of the OTAs or mini camp?
Yeah, that bucket has no bottom lol.
1) He spent an entire season with him last year which is longer and more intense than OTA’s or minicamp. If Iggy has made that big of a leap since the season ended, then more power to him, but the odds are low.
2) The point of the paragraph wasn’t that Howard knows the full extent of Iggy’s growth, but maybe he knows enough to not feel threatened. That’s why I said “maybe he’s not scared” to allow someone behind him the opportunity to make the team’s decision to move on from him easier.
I i were to use shotgun, id use it to set up the deep pass not to take steps out of the drop of a deep pass. I think when people see shotgun their natural inclination would be deep pass as it does give them a few more seconds to play with to let the rout open, but i think these days you are better off letting it be for quick hitter to completely nullifying pass rush and catch he D off guard by throwing short on a traditionally deep pass formation. Then about the time you have conditioned them to thinking its a short pass formation, you catch them sleeping and Waddle and Fuller are screaming down the field on double go routes. They go back to defending that with the two high safeties and bam back to underneath stuff attacking that middle zone, they compensate with LB’s you shovel pass to the RB, wheel route, or hit a TE on the shallow zone and he has room to run. I think Shotgun has a value but it needs to be re-thought on how to use it.
Tua needs an identity, then work the O around it.
Last year we saw how good he was on quick short passes and how bad he was on deep ones.
Quick passes worked because of his quick release and accuracy.
Downfield’s struggles were due to playbook knowledge, hip, and just overall being uncomfortable, which should be improved this year, but can he make it a strength?
We won’t know how the shotgun benefits him until we see him in it healthy.
Frequent use of the shotgun will still be a problem, unless he can use the pass to setup the run, like the great ones do
“Long is my second-highest ranked rookie tight end when it comes to win share. However, this article focuses on production in fantasy football categories, so he slides a bit in the forecast because of the pass-catching situation he finds himself in (with Will Fuller, Mike Gesicki, DeVante Parker and Jaylen Waddle also competing for opportunities). However, Long was targeted 17 times in one game at Boston College — and PFF gave him an impressive 83.2 pass game grade last season — so it’s not hard to see his pass-catching potential. On passing downs where the target was in the middle third of the field, Long was able to create separation of at least three feet at the second-highest rate last season among Power Five tight ends. Given his strong performance in blocking and spatial metrics, Long’s versatility helps project usage in the NFL. Being on the field doesn’t ensure fantasy gold, but it’s certainly a good starting point and helps drive value for the entire offense.”
— Cynthia Frelund, of NFL.com on Hunter Long, who seems to think the kid is an all around TE.
I saw him as an all around TE from his film.
Jason Whitten type I hope, not as much upside, but that style
After averaging 62 defensive snaps in the games from Week 2 to Week 4 when Jones was out, Iggy played a total of 64 snaps the rest of the way. That’s like 5 a game after Jones came back.
They knew he was a project after game 4, and basically redshirt him.
he was drafted for his potential, and we now see what they had in mind.
CB is a tough position to play as a rookie, especially a converted one
He is a young kid….. so the red shirted analogy makes sense, even if pains me about a first round pick.
He wasnt a boundary CB in college, at least not his whole time there, he was in the slot mostly. He played a game or two there for us and did really well but they want him at the boundary so there is some transition to be had. Also, sound like a borken record, but CB is the hardest transition position outside of OL, from college game to Pro.
Long was a sleeper in the draft. He faired pretty poorly as far as scouting because the QB play at his college was very poor. They guys is very much better than his college stats would indicate, and they are still pretty damn good regardless. I think he has a lot of potential.
Yes, very poor
But not so sure the QB play negatively affected him, because with the QBs limitations he checked down a lot and the main checkee was Long
yeah and that kinda skews the stats, lots of reception little yards, lots of check-downs on tapen, by design of the offense so he’s “no an offensive weapon for downfield throws” all these things are compensation for a weak spot on the offense. I think he is better than his stats which make him look like a blocking TE who was just an outlet receiver.
sb7mvp says:
June 23, 2021 at 12:23 pm
1) He spent an entire season with him last year which is longer and more intense than OTA’s or minicamp. If Iggy has made that big of a leap since the season ended, then more power to him, but the odds are low.
2) The point of the paragraph wasn’t that Howard knows the full extent of Iggy’s growth, but maybe he knows enough to not feel threatened. That’s why I said “maybe he’s not scared” to allow someone behind him the opportunity to make the team’s decision to move on from him easier.
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I dunno if he made the leap or not i just don’t think that anything about what he is or isnt makes a difference with Howard. I mean Howard knows they have other options and he probably knows he is better than them, he is probably the top CB in the league right now, no CB, not even paid more Byron Jones really replaces him on the same level.
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So then why was Howard pissed that they drafted Iggy? Couldn’t been about the money like with Jones.
Because no competition is a guarantee, less of an obstacle to security.
Not to mention, as far as we know thats a rumor, thats hasnt been confirmed by anyone.
I don’t think you can find a direct quote from Howard that he was pissed about Iggy being drafted. That is all conjecture by talking heads and bloggers (me yesterday)
I said (and I have read others saying) that we could understand him being pissed about the team drafting a first round CB and signing Jones both in the same year after they extended his contract.
It’s on tape in that interview. X was asked how he felt about Jones being signed and us drafting a CB in the first round. He said it was “a slap in the face.” All you can say at that point is he meant signing Jones and not drafting Iggy.
I think it does with the organization, which in turn affects Howard getting more money from the Dolphins. I won’t belabor this point anymore though because it’s straying away from my original message.
Its ok, I’m really just commentary im not really being argumentative. I just don’t think players see it that way at least not the good ones, they are confident enough in their own play to nor worry about the competitions advancement, they just look to continually improve themselves instead of really studying the growth of others. Again that my belief, i maybe be naïve, but again, not belaboring the point either as much as I’m just adding commentary.
I don’t even think X is the best CB in the league right now. I would rank Ramsey and Marlon Humphrey ahead of him (even though they got less ints)
He is not the best CB in the league. He is the defensive player in the league
But that does not mean he is the defensive player worth the most money in a long-term contract. He’s a 28-year-old CB with bad knees.
They just need to get creative with the contract so we don’t hang ourselves, it can be done to meet his money and not put us in a bad place. Like you said before, these capologists are good at what they do so we don’t have to worry about giving him more money if we are smart with how we do it.
Lol i just acidentally learned something typing that out…capologist… it tried to change it to carpologist and i was like wait wtf is a carpologist, of couse the dictionary gave me a smart ass response to start with….”one who studies carpology” ok smart ass now tell me what carpology is….and apparently its the study of the structure of seeds and plants…. did not know that.
I really dont see it, Ramsey makes mistakes, he take a LOT of chances and he comes away with it a lot, BUT X is almost always in the right place at the right time, and that means he has played not only the ball and where it was thrown well but he anticipated the throw and he read the play. As a complete package i think X is an all around better CB than Ramsey and Humphrey, definitely a better press corner than Humphrey and a better tackler, and as far as Ramsey, i think he is a better more consistent player and probably smarter player too, though Ramsey might be a better athletically gifted player. Id rather have X than Ramsey and that’s removing all bias from that statement.
Don’t see it with Ramsey either. Someone jumps on his bandwagon and the rest of the talking heads collude
Ramsey is a freakshow physically can make some amazing plays, but X’s game is more complete. He is a very good smart player.
X has 4 years left on his contract.
X had an awesome year.
X now wants more money.
X has an injury history.
I’d be cool with giving X enough incentives that if he plays like last year will be the highest paid CB in the league. Somehow have a feeling X and his agent wouldn’t like that option.
Might not like it but he also is a few years away from being out of the contract, we do have some leverage in that.
I mean they could re-do the contract at the same time to re-do the guarantees, maybe add on some Guarantees for this year that taper down a good bit next year and moving forward, extend the contract years, and incentivize next year and maybe year 3. Tell him straight up if his knees get checked out by a physician on another team, he might be in a bad place and they also need to protect themselves, but since they like him and he has been a great player for us, this is what they are willing to do. Starting over with his knees as they may or may not be, could be riskier. Dolphins know if they have the leverage, and what that leverage gets them as far as meeting him in the middle/
They could do a bunch of things to make him happy . But truth is the Dolphins gave him a long-term contract with him coming off his 3rd knee surgery and now he regrets it. Guessing at the time it was “set for life” for him. Now he wants more than that cause of what has happened since.
Doubt he’d be sending back any guaranteed money if his knee folded first day of camp.
Ramsey is an elite cover corner who can shut down the best speed and size guys in the league. There is a reason he got a 5 yr $105 mil contract.
Howard is a good cover corner who is probably the best playmaker in the league. He can be beat, but if you keep attacking him, he’ll make you pay.
Here are some 2021 comparables:
Ramsey vs DK Metcalf (gm1) 4 receptions – 42 yds
(gm2) 6 receptions – 71 yds
Howard vs DK Metcalf 7 receptions – 193 yds
Ramsey vs Stefon Diggs 2 receptions – 13 yds
Howard vs Stefon Diggs (gm2) 6 receptions – 106 yds
Ramsey vs Deandre Hopkins (gm1) 6 receptions – 36 yds
(gm2) 4 receptions – 40 yds
Howard vs Deandre Hopkins 2 receptions – 23 yds
Ramsey vs Deebo Samuel (gm1) 3 receptions – 55 yds
(gm2) 2 receptions – 44 yds
Howard vs Deebo Samuel 0 receptions – 0 yds
Ramsey vs Breshad Perriman 0 receptions – 0 yds
Howard vs Breshad Perriman (gm1) 2 receptions – 17 yds
(gm2) 4 receptions – 34 yds
https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/jalen-ramsey/#!#game-log
https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/xavien-howard/#!#game-log
A good example of what Howard brings even on a bad day is the game against Metcalf, that was a abd day, but he also had an INT in the endzone.
That’s some stellar research right there. Was sorta guessing both were good though. 🙂
They are both top 5 CBs in the league with somewhat different skill sets. Howard is well above average as a cover guy, but IMO he isn’t that elite shutdown guy. He had 4 games he gave up over 100 yds. The extra sauce he brings is any QB throwing his way has to fear he’ll pick one off if they keep going at him.
Ramsey is a guy you say take this guy out of the game, and that is usually it for that guy, even the top guys in the league. He had 1 game he gave up over 100 yds at the start of the season, after that he was pretty much lights out against the best.
And I want to be clear that I think Howard is a very good cover guy. You don’t shut down Hopkins if you aren’t. He’s just not consistently that good and that is why I rank him just under that elite status. On a good day, he can cover anyone, and he has more good days than bad. And his playmaking ability is off the charts.
If you take all non-football factors and injury concerns out of it, I’d probably take Howard over Ramsey because of that playmaking ability.
Kong,
That’s some nice research! I’d love to have X back but we’ll see.
On to X, make him earn it. Rework his contract based off the results he is known to produce…ints. Have everything the same except give him $500,000 bonus per int. If he hits 10, he’s the new top paid CB in the league. If he hits 9, second. If he gets injured or gets zero, he’s still a top 6 paid dude with nothing added. No real loss if he does nothing.
I think he will not last the entire 16 games and an expensive contract redo sets a bad example and will be a huge waste of money as he plummets back to Earth. But I could easily be wrong and since he talked about a chip, show me! Prove it, X! I doubt he or his agent are willing and that says everything to me. Maybe he doesn’t trust that knee as much as he claims.
X was possibly the best defensive player last year. We just weren’t at the point we could use but maybe this year? TOs matter that much. Saints got to their one SB with a very TO heavy defense, not really off Brees. Since Kong set the example;
2020- Tampa was #6 in TO differential.
2019- KC was #7
2018- Rams were #4, Pats #5
2017- Eagles #4
2016- NE- #3, Falcons #4
2015- Carolina #1, etc, etc.
Saints were #3 in 2009.
Cheers 🙂
Problem with int bases incentive is he goes for the int everytime and doesn’t care about giving up 6
All mixed up in this talk I musta have missed the music posted, but an I seeing that right, are the Dixie Chicks just calling themselves “The Chicks” now? Lol wtf, really. Incidentally that’s one of my favorites of their songs, that and “Earl” but their politics is nutty. Amazing group though.
Alison Krauss is another big favorite for me, but not a big fan of that song. It’s a good cover but her original stuff is much better.
Seems The Chicks did it about a yeah ago stating that the Dixie part was offensive in light of the Floyd murder. Lady Antebellum also changed their name to Lady A for the same reason and now they are in a lawsuit against a black woman who has gone by the stage name Lady A for a long time lol. Kinda ironic.
This is greatness…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koxcBAMKfbc
Rumor has it that Carl Nassib is also a “Trump Republican”, and as such, liberals are actively trying to cancel him. Interesting, is it not?
no,not at all.
steveccnv says:
June 23, 2021 at 10:52 am
How would X know the development of Iggy, if he hasn’t attended any of the OTAs or mini camp?
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Because X and Iggy have been training together at independent DB camps over the last couple of months. I posted one such video a few weeks ago here, where I stated Iggy looks GOOD. Stanger will recall our convo (he asked me why I thought as much) and should be able to vouch for me on that.
Sorry some of y’all missed it, but yes, Iggy looks GOOD… and I said it before X said it.
That contradicts what 7 said X said, and gives cred to my statement
not sure if this has been posted but i hear there may be interest in acquiring Sony Michelle from NE.
I’d heard the Patsies* were looking to part with Sony: lack of production vs contract… but he’s only 3 years into his rookie deal. Buyer beware!
Grape Ape – I would like to see the same comparative analysis done with Byron Jones and Ramsey. Chop chop monkey.
Look no further than Jones game against the Raiders and Agohlar. Bust
Also Jones has the luxury of lining up against the #2 WR not the number 1
And that’s why I say we should move Jones back to his natty Safety position.
Miami doesn’t move CB to cover particular WR. They play whomever is on their side. The Raiders game was one bad game. Jones is not a Safety. Why do you say that?
Yes Miami does move the Corners. X is always on #1. I was listening to Solomon Wilcotts on NFL radio talking about that
Krishna, are you out there? What have you to say about this, I wonder?
Matumbo says no no no, don’t bring that, buullsheet here
Ramsey vs DK Metcalf (gm1) 4 receptions – 42 yds
(gm2) 6 receptions – 71 yds
Howard vs DK Metcalf 7 receptions – 193 yds
Fitzpatrick scored Miami’s only touchdown with 1:50 left, but Seattle recovered the ensuing onside kick.
DK Metcalf had four catches for 106 yards, Moore had three for 95 yards, and Chris Carson rushed for 80 yards and a pair of touchdowns.
Marinofan13 says:
June 23, 2021 at 8:57 pm
Rumor has it that Carl Nassib is also a “Trump Republican”, and as such, liberals are actively trying to cancel him. Interesting, is it not?
So liberals are into identity politics to get votes, but as soon as someone that’s gay or Trans or black is republican they want to cancel them.
Ah the hypocrisy
As usual they’re full of shit and only want your vote, they won’t stand behind you though.
BLM is is another hypocritical issue, to them black lives don’t matter, just the ones killed by cops
Full disclosure, as I was looking up the info Phelon so graciously requested, I started wondering about the numbers I got from that site. I’m finding discrepancies that I can’t account for.
An example is Metcalf didn’t have 193 yds against us, so he certainly didn’t have 193 against just Howard. And that isn’t the only one, so all that information is suspect.
It’s a site I haven’t used before today.
Oh, Steve already called it, lol. Honestly I’ve spent the last 20 minutes looking up stats on different sites trying to figure out the discrepancy. I wish I’d posted a bit sooner so it doesn’t seem self serving, lol.
But, that is one reason I always post the link, to back up where I’m getting the info.
I should have double checked that site’s info. When I started researching Ramsey vs Howard, the 1st article I came to was from PFF stating that Ramsey gave up 8 receptions in the 1st game against Dallas, and that he only gave up 24 receptions the entire rest of the year. PFF uses stathead which I know is reliable in terms of raw numbers, but I was looking for numbers instead of a guy stating something.
The ‘playerprofiler’ site I used today showed far more receptions against him after his 1st game than the 24 PFF remarked on, so that should have clued me in.
I’ll try this again. It wouldn’t let me post all the accompanying links.
Ramsey – 15 games. 100% of the snaps in all games except week 12 against the niners (69%).
Howard – 16 games. 42% of snaps week 1, 58% week 13, 84% or more all other weeks. 7 weeks at 100%
Jones – 14 games. 7% of snaps week 2, 86% or more all other weeks. 5 weeks at 100%
Ramsey Season totals – 71 targets, 36 completions, 345 yds, 2 tds, 9.6 per comp, 1 int
Howard Season totals – 101 targets, 52 completions, 719 yds, 4 tds, 13.8 per comp, 10 int
Jones Season totals – 73 targets, 44 completions, 775 yds, 5 tds, 17.6 per comp, 2 int
Ramsey no 100 yd games, gave up 81 yds week 1. Games of 43, 50. Had twelve games at 32 yds or less.
Howard two 100 yd games (119 Sea, 124 Buf). Games of 82, 84, 92. Had eleven games at 40 yds or less.
Jones three 100 yd games (116 Ari, 105 Cin, 126 Lvr). Games of 67, 64, 72, 61. Seven games 45 yds or less.
Ramsey no 100 yd games, gave up 81 yds week 1. Games of 43, 50. Had twelve games at 32 yds or less.
Howard two 100 yd games (119 Sea, 124 Buf). Games of 82, 84, 92. Had eleven games at 40 yds or less.
Jones three 100 yd games (116 Ari, 105 Cin, 126 Lvr). Games of 67, 64, 72, 61. Seven games 45 yds or less.
Stats don’t give context though, like the Rams D getting a lot more pressure than we did.
10 ints vs 1, I’d take Xs numbers any day over Ramsey’s
Ints cleanup other people’s mess too
Since it won’t let me post all the links- I used 6 pages from Pro football reference. Games logs and advanced game logs for all 3 players.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HowaXa00/gamelog/2020/advanced/
Damn – Thanks Ape.
Those numbers say Jones is not a bust as Ken thinks, but a near elite cover corner (not a Safety).
But Jones is paid more money to be on #2 and get less ints than X
Agree Jones is not a S. Never played the position on a pro level
steveccnv says:
June 23, 2021 at 11:42 pm
That contradicts what 7 said X said, and gives cred to my statement.
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Lol, it literally does the opposite.
And I never said X said anything. I was making the point that he’s closer to the situation than the people on this blog and would know more.
Yeah ok
Ken – How is Jones paid to be on the 2 WR? they cover whomever lines up on their side. Howard doesn’t go with the 1 WR where ever he goes.
Which is why I checked on the Metcalf stats on Howard, and wondered how they knew every yard he got was against Howard
No they don’t. X is always #1. I was listening to Solomon Wilcotts on NFL radio talking about this very issue especially why X gets so many ints. According to Wilcotts it’s because he is always lined up in single coverage so opposing QBs will still throw at X because of the single coverage against the other teams #1
Prayers to families involved in Miami condo collapse
Only 1 dead so far from story I read, but likely to increase once they dig thru the rubble
What position did Byron Jones play in his first 3 years in the NFL?
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JoneBy00.htm
He is not a S. I want my FS to be a ball hawk and Jones just doesn’t have the ball skills for that
I think he is better at CB, but FS isn’t a bad spot, he is good in Zone and had a knack for busting the ball out with how he defends the pass. He doesn’t get as many INTs but he disrupts the passing game with his coverage and ability to keep the receiver from catching the ball.
A lot can be said about both ways of playing as a DB, turn overs are nice but incompletion are pretty damn good too. Me personally i think he would be more hawk at FS because it matches his skillset best to make plays on the ball from that position, but i like him at CB too, and prefer him there as i said to start out with,
Think Jones would make a great FS, should’ve had 3 ints last year, if the play in the endzone was called correctly, but you don’t put a top 10 CB at S