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Finsmob Unleashed 
The best thing to happen to Watson in terms of his holdout is the legal issues he have which sucked out (no pun intended) all of news about him
But he’s a holdout
A QB holding out and demanding a trade – or worse demanding which team to add him too….that’s not exactly a player I want on my team
But no one talks about hat bc they are consumed with his legal issues (rightfully so)
But it’s pretty shitty what he did to the Texans this year in terms of leadership
The Flying Pig says:
November 22, 2021 at 12:20 pm (Edit)
There was one team that was relentless in pursuing Watson – the Dolphins….and it looks like that came from Ross who I wouldn’t call a professional evaluator….lol
Stats don’t lie – Watson takes a lot of sacks and he produces a lot of yards and TDs too
I’m not sure why you think people here that don’t want to pursue Watson are missing something. Stats aren’t the only reason I don’t want Watson. There’s more
– it will cost a lost of pics
– it will take a chunk of our cap room
– he abandoned his team and demanded a trade mid contract. Watson is not missing games now bc of legal issues. WATSON is a holdout
– he’s got serious legal issues that may jeopardize his career but a a minimum will probably hurt some playing time
– we just drafted a QB a few years ago we should be committed to
Is was posted in reply to ORob before page turn
The Flying Pig says:
November 22, 2021 at 12:20 pm
– it will cost a lost of pics.
the price will come down when his $ is ready to hit the texans cap#
– it will take a chunk of our cap room
he will get paid just like other teams pay their top qb
– he abandoned his team and demanded a trade mid contract. Watson is not missing games now bc of legal issues. WATSON is a holdout
the texans are holding watson out, after the disfunction there do you blame him for wanting out?
– he’s got serious legal issues that may jeopardize his career but a a minimum will probably hurt some playing time
not sure how serious they are, it would appear he was ready to settle until the deal went south, so obviously there’s a number on the table, also no indictments either.
– we just drafted a QB a few years ago we should be committed to
he sucks
Look at all those contingencies your utopia is relying on
imagine being half right and half wrong – and we are still fucked with Watson
Everything has to go right to come out on top in that pursuit
FYI Watson didn’t report to camp this off-season and demanded a trade. He’s the holdout.
he’s not holding out, he’s on the team collecting a pay check
ocalarob says:
November 22, 2021 at 12:22 pm (Edit)
Tua rarely throws outside the numbers, he doesn’t have the arm strength,
why do you need an outside rec?
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Your conclusion is right
That’s what I meant when I said Landry would be a good fit
Your logic is wrong in blaming Tua IMO
We are playing multiple TE sets a lot and there are multiple plays where you can see receivers in the same area
Waddle was target 9 times yesterday and on 8 catches he is barely over 8 yards a catch
That’s nearly 1/3rd of the throws (33) Tua made
It’s not That the okays are designed to let Tua throw deep and he’s missing targets
It’s that they are running a lot of deep routes
It’s the design of our offense
correct, our offense is designed to throw inside the numbers due to tua’s weak arm, what that does is crowd the box and makes life miserable.
D’s don’t have to guard the entire field with Tua.
The reason I don’t believe that is bc the team was actively talking with Watson
What were they going to do if we made a trade, just implement a whole new offense in November
This is the offense these guys designed
If they designed it to take out the long ball bc they perceived Tua’s arm as weak – it’s one of many bad evaluations by them
I believe there were multiple reasons why we didn’t get Watson at the deadline, first we had a bad record, i doubt it would make a difference, then there’s the cap# the texans will want to avoid come march.
The fact that Ross was talking to watson was outrageous,
what the hell were the texans thinking?
i bet i know how that conv went.
“hold out till march, we’ll make another run at them, tell them you will only approve miami, no sense in coming now, we are 2-7
this will save us draft capitol, after all you are coming here, we need those picks to help you be successful”.
at least that’s what i would’ve told him.
the texans will have to absorb a 40 mil cap hit if they don’t move Watson by Mar 16th, this will kill their FA acquisition power. add that to the no trade clause he has.
as for his legal troubles, i would bet they all go away with a stroke of a pen, otherwise he would’ve been indicted by now.
i think not signing him at the deadline was a great move,
He doesn’t have to be indicted for the civil cases to continue and the nfl to take action
Even if he settles the cases, the nfl can punish him – do you think the rest of the world will forget about those cases. There will be protests, etc….
He nfl is going to end up suspending him. It might end up being 2 games or something nominal but I don’t think he’s leaving free of punishment even if he’s never indicted for a crime
no problem, i’ll take the two game suspension, sign me up right now and twice on sunday!!!
At best 2 games
The problem is you refuse to see the worst case scenario which is much worse….like extensive prison time bad
if there’s any chance of that we’ll know by March
No we won’t. There is no guaranty on that, just like there was not a guaranty it would be resolved by the trade deadline
The wheels of justice move slow, they don’t change speeds to accommodate nfl trades
how long can a police investigation go on? if goes on too long they obviously don’t have the proof required to pursue him, otherwise he’d be in jail now or most certainly by March.
it doesn’t take no time for a DA to file charges with the proper proof.
For those who want to sign Landry or a healthy Parker type in F/A, if we do that, don’t complain that we didn’t resign Ogbah, Gesicki, or some top OL veteran(s). Any of those top WR’s you want are going to command huge (12-20 mil) contracts.
Yeah, we have 77mil in cap space next year but that is with only 36 players under contract for 2022.
You just want to draft that WR you keep taking about….lol
Boooo, Watson talk.
yeah, let’s sign landry a make it a little more crowded 2 yards off the los
T doesn’t matter whether we sign him or not. That’s the current playbook these guys want
i don’t agree with “want” a better term would be “required”
Bc they have demonstrated such a keen eye so far?
it’s like being asked to brush your teeth handcuffed behind your back
you can bet Will Fuller & wilkins are in watsons ear
You can bet Fuller won’t be here
BBM, from the other page:
It looked to me like he rolled him over and punched him in the gut well after the play was over. What mitigates it?
-Wasting draft picks and cap space on players like Watson is the reason why this franchise can’t make an ascension to the top and we end up in a rollercoaster pattern from season to season.
-I liked Landry, but I don’t want him here. I doubt Landry would come back to Miami anyway.
But I have his jersey….
🤪
ORob you like the broken players like Watson and Brandon Marshall
ocalarob says:
November 22, 2021 at 12:59 pm (Edit)
how long can a police investigation go on? if goes on too long they obviously don’t have the proof required to pursue him, otherwise he’d be in jail now or most certainly by March.
it doesn’t take no time for a DA to file charges with the proper proof.
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The statue of limitations for sexual assault in Texas is 10 years
I doubt they wait a decade
I actually agree that if the evidence was strong enough they probably would have filed an indictment
But it’s not off the wall for law enforcement to wait to see if the civil actions are resolved to make a decision. If they do that I implies that hey aren’t pursuing a felony
The reality is – no one knows
And that makes him a ridiculous risk
It’s always been wishful thinking to hope the claims just go away
Even if these civil suits went away with settlement, you gave to believe there are more women out there who aren’t part of the suit
Actually I forgot there is already a grand jury investigation from August
I don’t know the status of it
As for the OL, we gave up zero sacks.
Jackson allowed no pressures, neither did Hunt or the Center.
Eich and Jesse Davis split 7 pressures.
Jets O looked more like a threat than their D.
I saw some significant pressure applied by the Jets yesterday
By a pretty mediocre DL
“Hey we just won three in a row. What should we do? Let’s talk about trading our QB for Watson!”
If that was gonna happen can’t happen till the offseason now.
Cam looked pretty good against the WFT yesterday. D will have its work cut out for them this week
and McCaffrey is back and healthy. Not to mention their pass rush will be something to contend with as well.
You will think we will use a similar scheme as what we did against Lamar Jackson but Baltimore didn’t have a RB the likes of McCaffrey
I don’t think we can. I think the focus needs to be on taking away McCaffrey and make Cam one dimensional. Also, we need to have the same play call balance as vs Jets to control the clock. Just my thoughts.
By a pretty mediocre DL
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I think their DL is above average. Especially with Sheldon Rankins and Quinnen Williams in the middle.
But no edge talent
No, not much there but our castoff in Shaq Lawson. They got caught by the injury bug in the DE department where 2 of them are on IR and another was out for our game.
They are also a little weak in the LB department after C.J. Mosley.
Cam Newton crushed us in the home opener last year with RPO and a lot of his running. And with the Panthers he has McCaffrey as an option. And they have a better record than us.
A reason why the opening line is Panthers giving 1.5 at Hardrock.
We looked weeks ago at this as a soft game….. not anymore.
https://www.miamidolphins.com/video/every-tackle-by-jevon-holland-vs-jets-week-11
You can bet Will Fuller is anywhere else but on the field for us, so who gives a fuck whose ear or ass he’s in?
you can lead a mule to water but you can’t make him drink??
I have my mules by the reins, they are kicking snorting, dust everywhere fighting the shit out of me the whole damn way!
because the river is a 900′ drop off a cliff and the mule is smarter than the mule driver!
You just want to draft that WR you keep taking about….lol
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LOL, yeah, he may be this year’s man crush. Not sure yet.
I do think we need to add a solid vet that stays healthy. We do have Hurns under contract next year but don’t think he is that vet guy who can elevate the WR room.
Another reason to avoid Landry and the contract he will demand is we will have Bowden back next year as well. He was proving himself to be a good slot WR and a chain mover. I had high hopes for him this year.
Bowden is a Landry-type guy.
Piggy — can you photo shop Solomon Kindley on one of these?
LOL
and our new TE
That one I don’t get. We run into a game with 5 TE’s. Given where he was drafted how could he not be one of them?
Will Fuller severely broke his finger, the injury was significant, and you guys are kicking him in the teeth!
where’s your empathy?
The finger injury can’t talk about cause don’t know how severe. The one that got me was he was out the day after the suspension game for “personal reasons.” Grandma dies, your sis gets in a a car crash . etc but it was never explained. Red flag.
I am the jerk who broke his finger, I don’t know why you are asking me
As long as the F.O. is kool with him so am I, they may be saving him for when we get a real QB
Fuller is frail
What did you say? you need brail??
I don’t recall seeing any empathy for Tua’s ribs or Gesicki’s frailty. 🤪
I don’t know who is in DeShaun Watsons ear
But I know if he keeps hiring “massages” from Instagram, who will end up in his rear
Did you give your gerbel a bath? he looks clean.
Wait until you see him after he puts on his fancy shoes
he’s just glad he’s out of the crevice
I think Hunter Long is on the 53, obviously they don’t want him poached off the PS,
they must think highly of him.
You must have won the gold for mental gymnastics
Could be they don’t want to play him in games cause his talent is so off the charts they don’t want to risk him getting injured.
i would assume you’re talking about fuller, i totally agree
Thought your post was about Hunter Long. Did I miss something?
They just have this tendency to load up at some positions (DB and TE) and then not really value some other positions (RB)
I wouldn’t read too much into what it means as far as Long or Iggy’ a talent
They just waste picks they don’t need….it drives me crazy
Frail Fuller is yet to play a complete season in the NFL.
We knew that when we signed him. What we didn’t know was how quickly he would not be playing. He and Parker are both eligible to come back. And would love to see either or both of them on the field. Good players and we are paying them anyhow.
not sure why i get such a hard time here, it’s not my fault we’re 4-7 and Tua sucks.
Because you like to stir the pot. It is part of your charm
yeah but i don’t use a shovel like you
We all have our favorite tools
I just use a tea spoon
It makes no sense to sign Fuller to a one contract and not play him.
what part of he’s injured don’t you understand?
You just posted they are saving him for when we have a real QB. I was just pointing out the flaw in that logic
Humor
Agreed — when he’s healthy put him out there. Not like we are developing some boundary wideout who won’t be developed because of it.
Injuries are part of the game, a vast majority of NFL plyers get injured, something like a broken finger is unavoidable.
as for Parker, Hammys can be tricky, they don’t hurt at all, you think they are good, if they are strained it takes nothing to re aggrevate, only time heals that.
i had an aductor injury, i felt absolutely no pain whatsoever.
one swing with a golf club i was laying on the ground in agony!
They are but when someone keeps getting injured repeatedly they can’t be counted on. Fuller, Parker and even Albert Wilson all have talent but historically they can’t stay healthy. It’s not a one off it’s not even twice. It is every season these guys are hurt. Just like Bill Parcels said: the best ability is availability
“I thought to myself ‘Wow, Durham went over his career yardage yesterday, has a new career-high. I’m going to wear his jersey to my press conference today. Start an initiative to get him paid here by the Miami Dolphins. He’s a good player, has a lot of success, does a lot of things, special teams, blocking, receiving.’”
— Mike Gesicki, who is much more about Smythe’s contract than his own. That also suggests he will be here at least next year.
I heard he is frail
He’s a good player, has a lot of success, does a lot of things I CAN’T, special teams, blocking, receiving.’”
There I fixed it.
So you with ORob on the Hating Gesicki bus?
No, I don’t hate Gesicki or think anything ridiculous like he gives away our play-calling, but he doesn’t block well.
Gesicki isn’t a good receiver?
Goes to something I was saying yesterday:
“Tagovailoa only threw four passes over 10 yards on Sunday.”
That is the offense by design. It’s not Tua
Also what if those deeper routes aren’t open, throw them anyway?
Another thing is on the 65 TD to Hollins and how the pass made him wait. If you watch the play again, Tua escapes pressure with a guy grasping at him from behind he knew he had little time to get the pass off. It wasn’t like he threw that from a clean pocket. The pass was a little over 50 yards in the air but he didn’t have time to throw more of a rainbow to lead him. He had to get it there while he was open. It was a great play all around.
So these clueless offensive coaches can’t design plays around Tua’s skill set to have more than4 passes over 10 yards? Just reaffirms how bad these O coaches are.
I don’t really know all the routes on any given play watching on TV. But if guys aren’t open down the field you don’t throw it to them. You can design plays but if they’re not open I’m not sure there is much more you can do. We also don’t give our QBs very much time to wait for those deeper routes to get open. I’d rather have our QBs choose the right play for some positive yardage than force throws. Those usually end up as incomplete or worse – turnovers.
I’m not trying to defend our offensive coaches, just looking at it from all angles. There’s a lot that goes into a play being executed.
“I think the thing I like about going fast-paced offense, tempo offense, is it forces the defense to communicate. The linebackers, to the back end the d-line, what front they want to be in. And then when do you kind of get things going, those guys up front get a little tired.”
— Tua on on the up tempo 11-play scoring drive to start of the Jets game. Why don’t we do more of it? Not like our O looked like much the rest of the first half.
I asked this question going back to the NE game. Up tempo drives to start game and the 2nd half, but then nothing. So that was game 1
Defenses get a chance after a drive like that to see what we’re doing and make adjustments. If plays aren’t working the next time around, it’s not always easy or smart to go up-tempo. Like Adam Archuleta said, we caught the Jets off guard on the first drive.
He also said he thought we should do more of the up tempo and to attack the cornerbacks.
I know I heard him say that. But our offense is not the Bills offense which was the game he was referring to from the previous week – saying the Jets corners really struggled. The Jets also turned it over all day against the Bills and they put them away because of it.
That said, look at how crazy each week is. The Bills who I thought were going to be a juggernaut this year lost 9-6 to the Jags, destroyed the Jets 45-17 then got whacked by the Colts at BUF 41-15 yesterday. WTF?!!!
Games take on a life of their own and you do what it takes to win that day.
bailbondmike says:
November 22, 2021 at 9:18 am
First time hearing of this. This is not something we need. People are on their phones and shit way too much as it is. Now people are going to be obsessed with creating their own perfect virtual world to live in instead of fixing the one they currently live in. People wanting to escape the fucked up world they live in or feel/think they live in. This will destroy our youth and 20 somethings. They will be too busy creating a fake world to live in instead of making something of themselves.
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YO!!! I’m so happy you posted this, BBMike! I knew Facebook had changed its name to ‘Meta’, but I had no idea what was behind it. First time watching this video.
Russell Brand is most astonishing and a brilliant mind, IMO… been watching his videos for quite some time. I got only a few minutes into this one and thought, ‘Zuckerberg is bloody building THE MATRIX’! And sure enough, at about the 10:45 mark, Brand said the same thing.
Thank you for sharing, Brother… and I 100% concur with your train of thought as well.
Talking about the current generation of frail NFL players, someone just posted a video of Walter Paytons’ 275-yard day while having the flu. I wouldn’t expect anyone to play in those conditions but it’s weird how the modern NFL player is always injured. We like to say it’s because they are the best athletes the world has ever seen doing things with their bodies that aren’t possible for the frail regular man to do. Are we sure about that?
Could it be that the NFL used to train players for football in grueling conditions and the focus was on usable football skills over how much you could lift in the gym? Think of saying that Curtis Martin, Payton, Jerry Rice, Deion Sanders, LT, Marino, etc weren’t top tier athletes. That the ability to take the beatings the old NFL dished out weren’t a skillset. That guys who spend more time in the gym than on the field are better than the NFL warriors of old.
Imagine saying our athletes today have it tougher that during the times of Butkis, Lott, Atwater, Ray Lewis, Tatum, Lambert, Joe Greene, Romanowski and still play all the time. Our players today are weak, spoiled, and entitled. They rarely practice hard, have fewer responsibilities, train less for football, and have a lot more power. Worrying more about your flex muscles and which chick you’re going to hit on this week instead of practicing your job has made them weaker. I see guys who are amazing gym models and underwear competitors. I don’t see tough players very much anymore. My hamstring! My finger! My unknown sickness! Maybe next week! Maybe next year for Frail Fuller!
Posted on another site.
Good post. Athletes today over train. When I was a kid baseball players rarely got hurt for extended periods of time, pitchers threw every 4 or 5 days and threw 130+ pitches each game. Why does basically every pitcher have Tommy John surgery at some point in their career?
KEN,
your attempt to propound and proselytize this blog with your Tua proliferation is egregious.
“Ditto” ( that is a joke from Blazing Saddles, I actually happen to agree with Ken🙂)
Ken says:
November 22, 2021 at 4:59 pm
That is the offense by design. It’s not Tua
Tim Knight says:
November 22, 2021 at 5:44 pm
Also what if those deeper routes aren’t open, throw them anyway?
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They are never open, all we do is throw short stuff, it is Tua, if we had Rodgers here do you think we would run the same offense?
You can’t contend with throwing short pass after short pass.
So you should get use to rooting for a losing team as long as you’re rooting for Tua
You ignore all the deficiencies we have on offense and just focus on Tua. He’s one of the best players on our team and you blame him for everything. No point in responding because I know what you think of Tua and I think you’re off base on so many things about him that it’s a pointless discussion. You’ve posted about it hundreds of times. Got it! LOL
I KNOW I’m not the only one who saw the blatant holding penalty by Austin Jackson on the 50-yard (all air) bomb from Tua to Mack MF’n Hollins yesterday, right? We are SOOOO lucky that didn’t get called!
there was also a couple of phantom calls also
Agreed, and on both sides. I didn’t care for the officiating yesterday.
Reason I bring that up? It very well could have been called, and Austin Jackson would have (once again) destroyed our momentum. We’ve GOT to get better on the O-Line!
Austin Jackson may be the worst high-Draft pick on the O-Line we’ve made since Jonathan Martin.
I really hate to be so hard on the kid, but it would be different if he was making progress. But instead, he’s regressed since his rookie season… and he’s lost his Tackle position, demoted to Guard. *sigh*
I didn’t see holding.
He missed a pretty bad one yesterday
Miscommunication before the play, and we all saw it. Byron Jones has been a STUD for us this year.
But the stat is not right he whiffed on the tackle
M13, Ogbah is a really good DE. He plays the run well too. Even without stats he creates havoc. He’s worth a big contract to me.
ME TOO, BRO! I want both Gesicki and Ogbah back for next season.
This is what I have to say about us re-signing Gesicki. It depends on how he fits into the offense with the coaches in 2022 whoever that is, the same or new. Gesicki is kind of a one trick pony even though very good at what he does. His skill set is likely valued differently by different teams.
Ogbah can fit into anyone’s defense.
Ogbah’s cap number ad a DE will be higher than Gisecki’s as a TE. That is why I think Gisecki will be franchised and we will try to sign Ogbah
Ken, I agree with what you said about Ogbah and Gesicki. I’d like to see both back but I value Ogbah’s position more than TE. They can re-sign both though.
I think fans tend to ignore that the price for positions goes up every year. That’s the market. They say I wouldn’t pay him that. Okay, then you’re going to lose them.
Tua was our highest rated player. ORob how is that possible?
Do they count interceptions?
Yes and TDs and yardage and percentage of completions and yard per attempt
Go Giants!!!!
Lmao…”what you FAIL to understand, it takes experience to win in the NFL”.
EXCEPT with Tua…
Losing any credibility, you thought you had…oh my.
Lo siento!
Who said that?
Orob, of course…..lol
What do blowhards do??? Lmao, they blow!
M13, no problem. I watch Russell Brand when it’s a topic that interests me, which seems to be more often lately. He doesn’t fly off the handle. Dude does his research.
Life on earth keeps changing. We’re not stopping technology and ever changing human behavior. We can only adapt.
I’m at my mom’s for the week and I have a question. Can you die from being in a house that is heated to the point it has burned out all the oxygen in the air?
Send help, I am not ok. 😂 🔥 🔥
LOL
I can’t handle all this deep passing in the game tonight. 😉
So that is how the tackle eligible works
Well Hunt wasn’t a tackle eligible guard. LOL
Watching Lady just stand there all day with little to no pressure makes me sick.
It’s in the league rule book
Yeah the guy has had tea parties in the pocket for 20 years. Do we ever see Tua or Brissett get to go through their reads twice? LOL
Brady has lived a charmed life. Don’t get me wrong, he earned a lot of it. But most of the time, things go his way. He reminds me of Greg Maddux as a pitcher. Knows how to play the game, doesn’t wow anyone but doesn’t make many mistakes. So the winning continues. I have to give kudos for that.
He’s the luckiest man on the face of the earth
His model wife makes his nfl salary negligible
Tim Knight says:
November 22, 2021 at 8:43 pm
Life on earth keeps changing. We’re not stopping technology and ever changing human behavior. We can only adapt.
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You DO agree that we can put an end to certain technological terrors, such as eugenics, right? Of course, you agree. You have more power than you realize… so long as you/we don’t get caught up with ‘mob think’, my Bro…
Who are we? You’re now on board with dictating to others what your opinion is?
You’re a science fiction guy, so you should know this was the evolutionary path. A bunch of you talk about books, movies and such about the future, spaceships and shit. A lot of it is not fiction. Just not totally there yet.
Apologies if ya took me the wrong way. Yes, I’m a futurist (sci-fi)… but it should be kept in check, so as not to lose our foundations: family, friends, love, empathy, and our very souls.
We are quickly losing our foundations… we’re becoming Aldous Huxley’s “Brave New World”. Read it if you haven’t already.
And no, I don’t dictate… just putting a thought out there in the cosmic universe.
Tua is light years ahead of Daniel Jones
Tua’s pocket clock is way faster than Jones. The problem with Jones is he thinks he has more time than he does most of the time.
Also not as accurate
Daniel Jones’ time with the Giants is coming to an end. He makes way too many mistakes and turns the ball over constantly.
Wow we bitch about Tua’s int did anyone just see the Daniel Jones int? Holy shit what was he doing?
He was getting hit as he was throwing… but it was still BAD.
He wasn’t hit. He was under pressure going backwards but not hit
It was BAD.
Jones literally threw the ball to a DL on the ground
https://clutchpoints.com/saints-news-taysom-hill-agrees-4-year-40-95-million-extension-with-new-orleans/?fbclid=IwAR3OAeloYx6nzv4t_7Z40sfz0nJGA4SEwuxtOvl3KOkhLul6eAOQWjj_n3w
M13, some friends of mine named their band “Brave New World” in the 80’s and many of us were like really? That’s not original at all. LOL
Freedom is what keeps this country the most unique melting pot of cultures on the planet. You either believe in it or you don’t. Most people don’t. They tend to lean on their own morals and preferred culture wishing they could live in their own utopia. We’re a land of laws that allows people of all walks of life the same rights. That freedom is on the books. People violate it.
^^^
JPP just registered his 3rd pass batted down on the year. Ogbah has 9 (NINE)!
Alright, the announcers were wrong… the stat sheet says 4th pass batted down.
Krishna says:
November 22, 2021 at 8:20 pm
Lmao…”what you FAIL to understand, it takes experience to win in the NFL”.
EXCEPT with Tua…
Losing any credibility, you thought you had…oh my.
Lo siento!
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Yes it does take experience. But first and foremost there are things you cant teach. Having a strong arm is one of them
And, some people can’t learn! Because all they want to hear is themselves….lmao!
I agree some people can’t learn, my observation of this team upsets you so you feel the need to attack me personally. obviously you feel insulted.
My talk about the short comings of this team has nothing to do with you on a personal level.
your responses are lame, you should try to clean your act up a little.
show some intelligence instead of the same ole, (i dont like your opinion on that matter so i will impugn you) response. very leftwingish.
let me know why you disagree instead of just being a 24/7 jerk.
it would make for better conv here for everyone instead of having to read your non stop stupidity.
Who’s upset? I’m laughing at you! What a character….and, I haven’t attacked you…lol.
Apparently, you don’t like me disagreeing with you. Kinda thought everyone’s opinion was welcome, including me thinking your football IQ is suspect.
Was that an attack or just my opinion?
Don’t be surprised if Aaron Rodgers is on the Giants next year.
K let’s think of Mr Frail as a Reciever…
look at below and there are 4 names on this list that we really want to keep …
1 is our (hopefully next year) # 2 RB,
1 is our special teams ace and a gutsy player ,
1 is our best looking draft pick in a while …
do we really want to go into next season with that as a base ??
Receiving
Player REC YDS YDS/REC LNG TD
Jaylen Waddle
68 622 9.2 36 3
Mike Gesicki
49 579 11.8 40 2
Myles Gaskin
41 209 5.1 24 4
DeVante Parker
25 327 13.1 42 1
Durham Smythe
20 221 11.1 25 0
Albert Wilson
15 161 10.7 64 0
Mack Hollins
12 178 14.8 65 3
Adam Shaheen
12 110 9.2 21
I as well as many others here want a severe upgrade at the receiving position, but I also don’t want to take away our 2nd most productive AVAILABLE player, and start even further back …
Call him Frail if ya like , but Gesicki, shows up weekly and balls out ….
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Lol…you forgot he’s just a slot receiver and telegraphs our plays….
We got killed in the first game against Buffalo due to Gesicki being on the field, when he lined up at T.E. Buffalo blitzed, because they knew we were passing, that’s why they stopped playing Gesicki. for a while, he didn’t see the field, now all of a sudden he’s producing, that’s because they found a different way to use him, they line him up as a slot rec on passing downs,
and that’s great, but fast forward to 2022, are you going to pay him 58 mil? or maybe franchise him 15 mil against the cap for a slot rec? i think not.
that’s really all that needs to be said about Gesicki, i don’t think they will keep him here past this year. in fact i think they will run from Gesicki.
the writing is on the wall, they didn’t try to negotiate, they drafted a T.E. and they litterally benched him to start the season because of his lack of blocking. and now they will have a change of heart and tie Gesicki to this team for years to come.
Santa Clause isn’t real people.
Gesicki is part of the problem on this team, this team is soft, they cant run the ball and they were getting run on, that equates to a soft team, and soft teams don’t win in the NFL.
Imposing your will wins, and that’s something Gesicki will never have.
all you have to do against gesicki from the slot is put a cb on him and hit him at the los, jamm the shit out of him, you take him out of the play, at least that’s what the ravens did.
and as for Watson, what happened to the presumption of innocence?
If we win and all happens below, we are in the hunt
Pitt plays @ cincy, we need cincy to win,
Buff at N.O., we need N.O. to win,
Indy at TB, go TB!
Cleve @ Balt, we need Balt
LV @ Dallas Go Boys
Den @ Chargers, DENVER.
Rob – We have 3 other grunts in our TE room that can block, Shaheen, Smythe and Carter. How about we keep the one that makes plays. Take Gesicki off the team and Waddle and every other WR gets shut down because there’s no other threat on this team to make plays. Single coverage on any other TE we roll out and double and triple on Waddle. All this while Will Fuller and Watson plan circle jerk parties. lol
Just here to show some real facts . . .
Brissett average yards per completion – 9.1
Tua average yards per completion – 10.7
Herbert average yards per completion – 11.2
Not the disparity you would expect
I don’t see that??? Couldn’t find yards per completion but found yards per attempt. I looked at 2 sites and it shows:
Brady 7.5 ypa
Herbert 7.4 ypa
Cousins 7.4 ypa
Allen 7.4 ypa
Tannehill 7.3 ypa
Tua 7.2 ypa
Mahomes 7.1 ypa
Wentz 7.0 ypa
Ryan 6.9 ypa
Rothliberger 6.6 ypa
Lawrence 6.0 ypa
Brissett 5.7 ypa
Of course, this still supports your argument.
It does rank him about 20th though. Highest is Murray at 8.9 then drops to Burrow next at 8.4. There are only 6 full time starters over 8.0 ypa. Rodgers is at 7.8 with Prescott.
I’m assuming he just did the math
total yards/completions
1471/138
Ah, so his included yac.
So does ypa
1471/203
it just include the incompletions
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LOL, Herd. I remember when we went to Memphis to pack up the father-in-law to move him to FL with us. It was like 95 out heat index was about 105. He had the A/C set at 85 and would not let us touch it. I almost died that day moving furniture.
Mike – I didn’t do the math. It’s next to (to the right) of Y/A
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/mia/2021.htm
O Rob,
It seems like your arguments are more an indictment against the OCs than Gesicki. They worked here last year but didn’t know how to make a gameplan to his strengths? Don’t 31 other OCs have to make good gameplans for their TEs, many who also don’t black as well? Travis Kelce is used just like Gesicki and KC doesn’t seem to have many problems with it. Gruden used Darren Waller as a WR almost exclusively the past two years. Does he not know how to coach football?
Or are you saying Grier is a terrible drafter? He never should have drafted a TE to be mainly a receiving threat? .Kyle Pitts was drafted to be a big WR. Was that a bad draft pick?
Maybe you’re right. What does that say about the guys making decisions here if they can’t draft well or coach well?
I’m having doubts about Grier as a drafter, but not when it comes to Gesicki.
Grier’s drafting hit or miss is probably around league average. He appears to have missed on Iggy, too early call on Jackson but trending the wrong way, too early to call on Tua but trending the right way and looks to have hit on Waddle, Phillips and Holland.
Lot of wasted/unrealized draft capitol in that OL. Maybe just luck of the draw, but 2020 draft with all those pics not a good one no matter what happens. 2021 looking good so far though.
Our draft pick we traded to Philly is now #8.
First rounder we got from San Fran is now #14.
Grier got too cute but we’re still in a sweet spot for a good OL if we can pick him. I think drafting anything but offense this next draft would be a justified reason to fire Grier.
I wouldn’t be opposed to a stud LB or pass rusher. We still have holes on D.
I agree. All of my mocks have me taking offense 3 out of 4 first picks. If we stay around #14 we still would have room to trade down for an extra 2nd or 3rd. This draft does not have many top OT’s but decent with IOL. QB not the greatest either. Someone may want our 14 for a QB.
I wasn’t real happy with the 2023 6th round pick for Grantman. Wanted the pick to be 2022. Guess it don’t really matter what year it is in. Bottom line is it looks like a good move.
In 6 games with the Bears, Grant has 8 offensive snaps, 1 rec for 6 yards, 1 rush for 11 yards, 18 kick returns for just under 25 yards a return, 7 punt returns for 66 yards and 1 fumble lost.
The fact that we got anything for him is a win imo
For next year — are we good with Jackson and Hunt at Gs with Eich at one of the T’s? If so that’s 3 spots.
How about Dieter at C when he comes back from injury? If not that is a spot to fill.
What can’t see any way around is the need for a T. That’s what having switch Jackson to G does to us. And the way the line has been going I think that T should be either a 1st/2nd rounder or a top FA.
We can upgrade OC and OT
Terron Armstead
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or Orlando Brown, Jr. They are the top 2 F/A OT’s.
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I’d say Tua’s back to normal now, officially.
I’d say he’s not back to what he was during camp. The pass went just over 50 yards, he had a running start and seemed to put everything in it, yet Hollins had to come back for it
I could throw it 45 yards in 8th grade, and I felt at the time I had no arm, so an NFL QB should at least be able to get it 60
45 yards at like 13 is awesome. Were you doing punt, pass kick? Why’d you feel like you had no arm? That’s pretty stellar to me at least.
ORob says it’s a weak arm
Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I’m not going to get into the middle of you and ORob.
There is opinion, then there is fact and there is video evidence
And that video evidence shows it should’ve gone another 15 yards
But the problem isn’t how far he throws a bomb, it’s what he has to do under pressure to throw it 20 or 30 yards
Guys like Allen and Mahomes, can make the intermediate throws with guys all over them, Tua can’t
They should relieve Daniel Jones
that play to Hollins, Tua looked like an olympic Javelin thrower the way he got a running start, he left his underwear on the ground with that throw and it looked weak.
those are the facts
It’s okay to admit you are wrong. It is cathartic. You should try it
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More facts
more facts, 4-7
Does anyone on the board like Brissett’s starts this year better than Tua’s? Seems we are at least playing the best QB we got. Whether he ends up as elite game changer is a completely different Q.
Mike E. says:
November 23, 2021 at 7:35 am
Rob – We have 3 other grunts in our TE room that can block, Shaheen, Smythe and Carter. How about we keep the one that makes plays. Take Gesicki off the team and Waddle and every other WR gets shut down because there’s no other threat on this team to make plays. Single coverage on any other TE we roll out and double and triple on Waddle. All this while Will Fuller and Watson plan circle jerk parties. lol
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Mike, you’re star struck with Gesicki, i admit he’s been making great catches, the problem with Gesicki is he brings a softness to this offense, it’s not conducive to winning football.
you are limited with what you can do when he’s in the game.
you’re being fooled by the success he has had in the passing game. but we can’t run the ball because we are soft and Gesicki adds to that softness.
with that said now you have to consider his pay day.
do you actually think Flores will want to continue with him and pay him 58 mil? or franchise him at 15mil?
keep in mind Flores yanked Gesicki the start of this year and is not playing him at T.E.
Flores is totally aware og Gesicki’s limitations.
the problem with Gesicki at the slot is, you can get a better slot rec, a real rec for much less and not have the softness either.
i will fall over if Gesicki is on this team March 17th
We can just franchise Gesicki. Whatever you think he is worth they will do that if don’t sign long-term. Tag should be like $12 mil. The front office’s opinion on him and not yours is what will matter. So get ready to fall over on March 17th.
We have leverage with Gisecki he is very likely to be back
Only way he is not is if do a trade and sign….. unless ORob is right about him as a player.
New Age says:
November 23, 2021 at 10:26 am
O Rob,
It seems like your arguments are more an indictment against the OCs than Gesicki. They worked here last year but didn’t know how to make a gameplan to his strengths?
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it’s with both, yes i do have a problem with scheme, i don’t think all this RPO crap equates to winning football. we are to focused on the dink & dunk occasional run out of the RPO. mix in a trick play.
it’s all slight of hand offense.
winning teams use bully ball, not trickery.
we need a strong arm qb to stretch the field, a big rb and ol for run support.
thats how you win consistently.
if it wasn’t for our defense we would be winless
Being flushed out of the pocket isn’t a running start. Not to mention, Tua had his feet set when he threw it.
He is just stirring the shit to get a rise out of us
He’s also regurgitating Steve.
I just had a visual that was disturbing
If that’s not a running start, what would you call a running?
Running forward and throwing the ball is a running start as opposed to back pedaling, throwing flat footed in place, or taking a few steps forward
He was running until he was not
Rob – not starstruck, just see that Gesicki is so much like the other leading TE’s in the NFL like Kelce and Waller. Kittle would be the exception, he blocks and blocks well. Kelce and Waller don’t block anymore than Gesicki does, they’re out there to make plays catching the ball.
all the T.E,’s you mentioned are way more physical than Gesicki.
and so yeah, he’s a good rec, that’s it.
you can’t pay him Goedert money, not even close.
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Maybe, um… ya know, fix the funkin’ O-Line in Miami?!!
I’m old enough to remember (LOL, we all are) when Peter King had us going to the Super Bowl in ’06. We had Pro-Bowlers galore at all the skill positions on Offense, but our O-Line was horrendous. We ended up as one of the worst Offenses in the league that year.
O-Line Lives Matter!
And REMEMBER, Ryan Fitzpatrick was with us last season, and wasn’t too shabby. This demonstrates how ridiculously bad our O-Line has been since 2020.
… not to mention since 2006 and even before THAT.
Great!! Detroit is ahead of us!! SMH
But the Lions did have Matthew Stafford last season. Nevertheless, it still stings.
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are the 2021 Miami Dolphins the greatest 4-7 team of all time?
I’d say they were closer to the worst 4-7 team of all time
Rob – not starstruck, just see that Gesicki is so much like the other leading TE’s in the NFL like Kelce and Waller. Kittle would be the exception, he blocks and blocks well. Kelce and Waller don’t block anymore than Gesicki does, they’re out there to make plays catching the ball.
Newly drafted Pitts fits that bill also.
Hollins didn’t have to come back for it he slowed up a bit for it and caught it as he was back pedaling.
We are the only fan base where it is possible to bitch about a 65 yard TD pass
It’s amazing isn’t it. It was an excellent job by Tua to get that pass off. I’ve seen WRs catch long passes like that where they have to wait for it a bit from Rodgers and Mahomes. But with them it’s just another great play by Rodgers and Mahomes. Tua gets scrutinized about it.
There is something deeply wrong with our fan base
What’s
What’s wrong our fan base is they don’t seem capable of following a conversation
The conversation was about Tua’s weak arm, not bitching about a 65 yard td
I think you made my point Steve. It was a great play and instead you look at as an opportunity to criticize the QB. Incorrectly so I may add. No one in the league this past week threw a ball further than Tua and people say he has a weak arm. I don’t get it.
That might be your point, but what started everything was the guy somehow thing it proves Tua doesn’t have a weak arm, so your reply digressed
Tua did a half step up then moved 3 yards to his 11 o’clock to escape pressure, kept his eyes down field, set and threw the ball 52.32 yards down field with sore ribs and a healing broken finger.
Give me or, better yet, give Tua a fucking break. He made a GREAT play and y’all want to bitch. Sad.
That play there let me know, if he is 100% healthy and has a clean pocket, he can launch it 60 yards (7.68 more yards) with no problem.
He should have stood still in the pocket, not moved his feet and flick the ball with his wrist to the goal line 65 yards down the field. Then and only then would he be considered an adequate QB
I think he was even running against the grain of the grass! very impressive!
Of course he’s not healthy, but you don’t prove his arm isn’t weak, because he threw it 52 yards
How does one go about proving a negative?
Well let’s see, if the pass was 70 yards…
stangerx says:
November 23, 2021 at 1:49 pm
45 yards at like 13 is awesome. Were you doing punt, pass kick? Why’d you feel like you had no arm? That’s pretty stellar to me at least.
Guys I played football with 115 LBs Optimist, were throwing 50 yards the QBs a little further
Did punt pass and kick at 12, came in 4th, top 3 moved on. Didn’t punt or kick before practicing for event, so it held me back
That’s close enough. Really well done.
it was a very good throw, it’s just not his forte and that’s the issue.
Just an FYI to this blog: half of Dolphins Twitter is divided over Tua. I don’t say this to divide anyone here, but it’s factual that half of our fanbase on Twitter thinks Tua sucks.
Also, IMO, we also have the worst fanbase in the entirety of the NFL. And yes, videos have been made about it: we’re consistently in the top-5 of worst fanbases in the league annually.
And STILL, I won’t take pot-shots at my fellow bloggers here over a mere difference of opinion. It’s a 50-50 deal as it pertains to Tua, at least according to Twitter and other social media sources.
Y’all know where I stand with Tua.
I don’t think Tua sucks, he just doesn’t have a strong arm like some of you guys, and others were saying pre draft
I’ve seen plenty of great QBs have issue when their OLs had issues
I’ve also seen some guys excel with shitty OLs
Tua has been put behind the 8 ball, because of our OL, WR availability, inadequate RBs, and poor coaching, including bad play calling
Put Tua on another team and he may be a beast, such as TB, Tenn
Who fuckin’ cares what Twitter thinks? Bunch of Mom’s basement dwellers who think they know something based on what their incel internet “friends” think.
The problem with Tua’s arm strength is he struggles to throw outside the numbers, the ball floats out there and i’m sure the brain trust fears he will get pick sixed, that’s why they scheme like they do, you see a lot of dump offs or passes over the middle, this crowds the box and makes life difficult for the entire team.
kills us in time of possession, cant run the ball, the D is always on the field.
his lack of arm strength is killing the entire team
at least that’s my take on it
He has proven that he can throw outside the numbers multiple times over the last few weeks. Look at the 3rd down throw he made to Waddle in the second half. It was a rope
i had seen him throw an out to waddle, and i was very impressed, not with tua but how waddle ran the route, as he turned outside he turned his head inside, a great move that left him wide open. the db followed his head movement.
tua can’t make that throw to a covered rec like an aaron rodgers can.
Thought it was Gesicki out there or not that was killing the O. I do like the lasers Tua throws though. Inside the ten man pops out some ropes and they are accurate.
Some one on Twitter is flipping plays so you can see how they look if Tua was right handed
Do you think the pass looks less awkward and stronger?
it looks like it’s a very weak throw vs the amount of effort put forth.
Ken says:
November 23, 2021 at 4:15 pm
We are the only fan base where it is possible to bitch about a 65 yard TD pass
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Tua has you fooled, You are not looking at the big picture, why are we struggling to run the ball, why is it that there seems to be 15 guys playing on the opposing D?
saying the whole team sucks and Tua is great is not correct.
there’s a common denominator as to why that is.
they have to game plan around Tua’s weak arm. and that has a domino effect on the entire team