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Finsmob Unleashed 
Happy Hanukkah to Mike and any others to whom it applies.
Other than high pointing catches, I think Gesicki is nothing special. He’s too often gobbled up by little CBs and slow. I’ll take the money to pay the other 2 TEs instead of 1.
Again….unpopular opinion. 🙂
What he does is garner attention, and offers a big target at crucial times, when you need a special player
Game on the line 4th and 15 from our own 5, everyone is covered, what does Tua do?
How would Waddle’s game on Sunday have gone, if Gesicki wasn’t on the field and he was doubled and tripled all game?
You need players that put fear in a D, and they don’t need stats to be effective
We need to stop taking 1 step back in hope we can take 2 steps forward by the EOS
The salary cap will be huge in 2023, we don’t need to get rid of Gesicki to save cap space
I don’t think he is doubled and tripled all game. If the team had a #1 WR or a #2 WR would be same thing. Lol
Didn’t say he was doubled or tripled suggested he might have been, if Gesicki wasn’t on the field
3 — That’s how many teams in NFL history have started 1-7 and then gotten to 6-7, a club the Dolphins will try to join this week. The 2004 Carolina Panthers 7-9, 1987 Los Angeles Rams 6-9 (not sure about week 3) and 1974 New York Jets (who got to 7-7 in what was then a 14-game season) also pulled off the feat.
Another great win for our phins. They haven’t lost since I got back lol. Keep it up!
Keep coming back!
The way to stop Gesicki is to put a physical CB on him and jamm the shit out of him at the LOS.
However you choose to defend him its in the gameplan, so you either you use top resources or he’s going to be a problem, either way we win
If you do that, it should open the rest of our offense up
The thing about a mismatch like Gesicki is once he’s demanding special attention, he’s already won the mismatch. A DB like that on him, is going to take a DB off another WR
Now if we can get our full compliment of receivers in the field – it’s more likely to be effective, but that’s not Gesickis fault
he’s playing the slot rec, it’s not like they need additional help, any other slot rec would be covered by a db as well.
he had 3 catches for 17 yards against the Panthers.
the word is out!
For those of you that haven’t spit your coffee out laughing yet
That’s a great place for him. He needs an environment where he can be the king
Ditto Saban
Guys, to chime in on the safety / non-safety discussion above. The ball was OUTSIDE the endzone when contact occurred and he was driven back to the goal line. it was NOT a safety. If he had been behind the goal line and been coming out when contact occurred it would have been a safety. But because he was tackled back to the line it is not a safety. The example of the Wake safety was different. in that case the QB was coming FROM the endzone out. In this case he was out of the endzone and tacked back to it.
You cannot drive a QB Backward into the endzone for a safety.
I’m pretty sure everyone here understands that the ball is spotted where contact is first made just like any other play. We said it was close, then discussed what actually constituted a safety which was whether the ball has to be entirely in the endzone or just a part of it.
forward monmentum is a judgement call.
It kills me when a thing like, you can’t drive a player back and expect the ball to be spotted where he lands isn’t granted as common knowledge.
one way to beat that would be to put gesicki in motion, but still we have to go above and beyond due to his lack of physicality.
last 3 games he had 8 catches for 63 yards
67 yards
It’s right there in the last two posts of our conversation.
CavalierKong says:
November 29, 2021 at 8:22 pm
Dolphins safety on Dalton
“The key is the position of the ball in relation to the goal line when Dalton is first contacted by Wake,” Blandino said. “We had a great look at it – a look right down the goal line. When Wake first makes contact with Dalton, the ball is breaking the plane of the goal line. If any part of that ball is breaking the plane when the contact occurs, and he is driven back into the end zone, it’s a safety. That was the ruling. It was reviewed in replay and confirmed. The entire ball has to be out of the end zone when the contact occurs for it not to be a safety.”
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son of a son of a shula says:
November 29, 2021 at 8:25 pm
Thank you
Then the last line says it all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-9axYG9mgs
just relive the glory
And they said he was awful vs Carolina
I didn’t realize Eich had as good a day as he did until I saw this. He also had a holding penalty in the 4th quarter, but overall, it looks like he might be starting to show some life at LT.
Davis at RT is another story.
Waddle: 78.0
Smith: 77.1
Chase: 76.7
as for the Cam wake safety, i don’t think you can say the ball is entirely out of the endzone at first contact. any part of the ball touching the goal line would deem a safety.
https://youtu.be/M-9axYG9mgs?t=49
at the .49 mark you can clearly see the ball on the goal line. SAFETY!
Ranked 18th in rating, Ranked 28th in yards
How many times do I have to oink it
If beer was spilt on me at slatterys – it was a safety
I am pretty sure that beer being spilt IN you is a fairly common occurrence. Way more common than safeties in football…..
someone edited their post….
Regarding Howard INTs, it does seem to be lazy reporting all around.
The PBP also reported on Howard reaching 25 INTs, and they say he did it fastest in league history. I’m assuming that is since the merger since Krause did it faster starting in 1964, but again, they don’t mention that. I still don’t know why the other publication mentioned 1990, lol.
“What if we told you that no player in NFL history has recorded 25 career interceptions faster? Howard has done it in 67 games. Again — that’s no player in NFL history.”
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/sports/nfl/2021/11/29/tape-dont-lie-film-review-joe-schads-study-miami-vs-carolina/8797664002/
We know that isn’t true, Lester Hayes did it in about 52 games
I forgot Tim mentioned him last night. So not just lazy reporting, but blatantly wrong.
He actually did it in 64 games (inc. playoffs), still quicker than Howard.
However you slice it, this is as good as it gets:
Yep!
Piggy walks into Slattery’s
WTF Guys!? Why did you all throw your beers on me!?
In unison:
IT’S A SAFETY!
New definition of golden showers
LOL, hopefully someone brought a rotisserie spit…
This may have already been posted, but I figured I’d post it again rather than scroll back and look. I know it’s been talked about on the board already, but Lindsay was a difference maker.
Here are all his runs and the huge assist block (and maybe slight hold) that gave Tua time to hit Waddle on the big play. And not a single negative run.
He got the most out of every carry
Thank you for bringing that forward! I like his style!
Hard, decisive, quick….nice!
We open as 3 point favorites against the Giants. I’m surprised it’s not a bit higher than that. I know our offense is the concern- and can we put up enough points, but our defense should absolutely feast on Daniel Jones.
3.5 point favorites
Daniel Jones is feast or famine. He is capable of playing well. Just not consistently so and their OL is shit
Happy Hanukkah!
Lester Hayes was before my time. I’ve heard of him, but looking up his numbers I hadn’t previously realized just how amazing that ’80 season was.
He didn’t just have 13 INTs during the regular season, he also had 5 INTs in 4 playoff games. 18 flippin INTs that year.
Yeah he was known for using stick’em too. He picked balls off his arms and chest. LOL
I was just reading that about him, lol
The game was different back then, most QBs couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn, and threw lots of ints
1985, more than half of the teams had 20+ ints thrown, we had 21 with Marino
They also didn’t play a lot of dink and dunk passing game. They ran the ball much more. DBs were also allowed more contact and pass rushers could knock the snot out of QBs.
Former UCF runningback Otis Anderson Jr was shot and killed by his father over a dog bite the father received from Jr’s girlfriend’s dog.
He was in camp with the Rams before being cut before the season.
Sad, so young he has to be under 25 yrs old.
That’s so fucked up. Really sad. WTF are people doing these days?
Bad year for the Cuomo brothers. Scum bags.
That family is extremely arrogant, corrupt and hypocritical.
Change the name of the Governor Mario M. Cuomo Bridge back to the Tappan Zee Bridge. Not named after these assholes.
If you game plan to shut one of your weapons down, isn’t that a good thing you have? Lmao…..
Let’s throw that away! Brilliant…
Yep! Gesicki and Waddle open things up for each other and others.
For sure…I don’t get it.
Well you know, the word is out. LOL
Yep….unfortunately!
No Daniel Jones. Mike Glennon for the Giants
Lookout
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Glennon’s great great great great grandfather was a giraffe.
I didn’t know Jones was hurt.
Sprained neck. It was just announced
Based on that picture, Glennon looks like he has two necks worth of neck, so the Giants have nothing to worry about on that score…
It will be a stretch for Ogbah to bat another ball this week
lol
I invited someone I’m friends with on Facebook to join us. He was on another blog in the past, not sure which at this point. Too many years. Anyway, if any admins see a comment in moderation, please approve him. And be nice, no ritualistic hazing! 😂
Also invited Slush, some of you might remember her from the SS and Tins blog. She hasn’t said if she’s interested. Would be nice to have another female on here. Not that you guys aren’t nice and all…most of the time. 😉
Does he luv Tua?
No ritualistic hazing? Well your no fun
Just tell them to stay away from Krishna and they’ll be fine…lol!
8 catches for 67 yards…IN THE LAST THREE GAMES!
boy he sure has them fooled playing possum.
Because they put their best CBs on him, game planned to let him beat them, and opened up the offense.
Are you football stupid? That’s called winning…lmao!
^game planned to NOT let….
Without Parker teams are focused on taking Gesicki out. Williams has also not been very reliable or consistent. Hollins has stepped up but he’s not a consistent week to week WR. That’s what teams do, make your less talented players beat them.
Glennon scares me more than jones. The guys a good veteran.
The Giants front on defense scares me more than Glennon.
He is also really fast
Look at him scramble here
🤣
Ok…so you say it much nicer than me…lol
To TK post at 7:40
The blog fool is trolling again…lol!
Way too subtle … lol!
He’s thriving on 1 yard passes…lmao!
lol
The Flying Pig says:
November 30, 2021 at 1:24 pm
For those of you that haven’t spit your coffee out laughing yet
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TWEET of the day on Twitter and POST of the day here on the F-MU!
I saw news this on my Twitter feed earlier this afternoon and quite literally laughed my ass off very loudly at work! 😆 😀
Are those angels or tacos that you’re gaseing at? LOL
😆
Ken, how do you feel about the Giants/Dolphins matchup?
Dolphins first always but always will have a place in my heart for the Giants
I meant for the game. Which team would you pick to win and why?
I think our defense if they keep playing like they have been will dominate the game. They both have poor O-lines but our defense is deeper than the Giants.
On offense Tua is our QB and they don’t have theirs. Both teams have banged up skill players.
I say Phins 23-13.
I have a place in my heart for the Giants as the only NY team I could stomach when I lived there for 13 years. I loved LT and their defense back in the day!
The only place in my heart the G-Men have is the Super Bowl victory over the Patsies* to keep them from going undefeated.
Just thinking about that, too. The helmet catch…
David Tyree!
Just looked up Mike Glennon’s career stats… what a shame, being he looked so very promising coming out of NCST. He always had an over-exaggerated delivery, but I thought it could be fixed: NOPE.
I think we’re going to FEAST on Glennon this Sunday, y’all.
One of my good friends at work is a G-Men fan (we traded barbs today before cutting it up), and he realizes their O-Line is frail.
Jaelen Phillips has a great opportunity this Sunday. If he plays his cards right, he may have another “day”. And if so, we may be talking about DROY for him.
And if Jevon Holland has another “day”, it might come down to him and Phillips vying for DROY. But of course, Micah Parsons (Cowboys) is in the mix as well.
Our entire defense is playing at a high level. They all seem to be getting the scheme. There is talent and depth at every level of the defense.
What If?
M13, Micah Parsons is exactly what we thought he was. The Dolphins chose Waddle and that’s good too. Phillips is going to be a monster. Holland already reminds me of the savvy Deron Cherry back in the day. A true FS who can move around and produce in many roles. So far all three 1st round picks are living up to expectations. That’s huge. They’re all a part of winning 4 in a row. 🙂
I meant top three picks for those who can’t handle imperfections. LOL
Yo! Nice Deron Cherry reference, man! I remember watching him play at his finest when I was a kid.
Can’t lie: it would seem as though Chris Grier has KILLED the ’21 NFL Draft.
MF-13; Have you heard the story about Gase’s interview in South Bend??
GASE TO NOTRE DAME coaching recruiter: “I’m here to apply for the open position.”
NOTRE DAME recruiter to Gase; “Go to the first door on your left. You’ll find two priests who will tell you every thing you need to know about the open position.”
LMAO!!! 😆
We’re good, my man! I realize I misinterpreted what ya meant the other day… sorry about that.
I hope you and Mrs. Campbell are enjoying our 4-game winning streak, sir!
WE’RE ALL GOOD my man. Is it just a coincidence that the players are performing better as Ross’s soon-to-be ex-Wife moves her divorce proceedings through the court system?? Puts a new spin on the old saying “FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST, THANK GOD ALMIGHTY WE ARE FREE AT LAST!!!!”
THAT is something (the Ross’ divorce) that you and I will be watching with intense eyes! Very interesting(!)…
Tim Knight says:
November 30, 2021 at 9:43 pm
M13, Micah Parsons is exactly what we thought he was…
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Yessir! Tip of the hat to you, Brother.
Tim:
I never make predictions on games I am just too superstitious
It’s all good. I was asking because we’re both Dolphins/Giants fans.
My general thought I just don’t see the Giants offense having a lot of success given what our defense has done over the last month. However the Giants D is good too and Leonard Williams is a real problem for OL to deal with
Agreed. Our OL struggles to block every other play. Just like the Giants. I think we’re a tick better but this season can throw anything at you. LOL
Holland has good physical skills, but what we’re seeing is he’s a really good football player. He just gets it. He’s Zach Thomas at FS. He’s just getting started in his rookie season.
OD, do you really think the football team is focused on Ross and his divorce?
I do think the Watson nonsense played a roll in it though. The team said okay, Tua is our QB now, cool, so let’s play football. They should all learn from that.
TIM; DON’T take my jokes so seriously.
And don’t apply for any “open positions,” either.
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ALL you folks have a great evening and a better tomorrow.
Time to walk the Greyhound and call it a night!
Okey dokey! What does seriously mean though? LOL
M13, you’ll be watching the Ross divorce with intense eyes? LMAO!!!
He’s a player and a gamer. In time he will become more explosive. 😉
The Waddle dance was very kool
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Tua Tagovailoa ranks among qualified QBs this month
Rank
Comp pct 80.5% 1st
Passer Rating 110.0 4th
Yards/att 8.58 2nd
Win pct 1.000 t-1st
The yards per attempt is what impresses me the most. Yes, I’m sure some of that is after the catch, but 2nd in the league is pretty damn good!
According to Pro Reference he has a rating of 94.1 making him 18th in the league, he’s also 28th in passing yards gained.
for us to be a contender he has to be top 10 in passer rating as 90percent of playoff teams have a QB with those skills.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/passing.htm
It’s for this month Rob. But good job being predictable and saying something negative about Tua when someone posts something positive, as usual. You’re nothing if not consistent!
why is that negative? it’s the truth.
you’re criteria in your stats are painting a picture to support an agenda, Tua had a great month against sub par teams. that doesn’t make him a great qb.
i really hope he pans out but i’d rather look at the reality instead of partial stats, and i missed the part where you said it was only a month.
and i’ll give him credit, he’s 18th in passer rating which IMO is astonishing! that means he’s better than 14 other starting qbs in this league. and that’s damn good considering the whole package.
…………….but wake me up when he gets in the top 10 will ya?
Guess who’s NOT in the top 10? Justin Herbert, who many here believe is significantly better than Tua. As of the moment, he sits only 3 spots higher at #15 (96.5 QBR) to Tua’s (94.5).
Who cares about Herbert?
To say he played bad teams this month is also so fucking weak sauce. We beat the Ravens and the Panthers, the Panthers were hot and had the best pass defense in the NFL before we beat them. Hard to be fair when you so desperately don’t want to. I get it . . .
Great win vs ravens. But i doubt tua led us to that victory. Last i checked the defense won that game. The panthers suck. Along with their losing record and no qb. Lets not forget the texans and the jets.
If it makes you feel better to credit tua with those masterful wins .you know me . i certainly dont want to spoil your fun
Dont forget STs and defense scored the first two tds in the panthers game.
Spotting tua a 14 pt lead.
Its a shame that some around here use misinformation to support Tua. Id simply prefer the truth.
Defense and special teams have also lost several games for us this year.
Orob,
You can’t claim people are posting stats to fit an agenda when that’s pretty much all you do.
We’re talking about the last 4 game win streak. That’s the subject. Saying Tua is great because he was involved in the Panthers win is misleading. The panthers are not a good team. And tua had the luxury of 14pts.
I’m just here to find out the temperature in Ocala this morning.
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Tua is actually 13th in YPG in games he actually played the entire game.
The only stat that matters is qb ratings. If you look at the top 10 its mostly a list of playoff teams. Tua is 18th on that list. Below avg
According to ESPN, Tua’s QBR is ranked 8th. Not sure where you got your stats.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr/_/sort/schedAdjQBR/dir/desc
I want Tua to be great. But the reality is. He isn’t yet. Couple that with his weak arm….i have my doubts
I cant wait to see how he does at saints…at tennesee. Pats.
That will be the true test.
Also mike. Brissett lead us to the victory against the Ravens. Tua didn’t even start that game. He was handed that victory by our D & Brissett
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I cant help it. Im trying to dragg everyone back to the reality of 5-7
Lol at I only follow Armando and Omar
Orob,
Nevermind, I saw where you got your stats. If you sort passer rating, Tua does indeed come up 18th, but it includes anyone who’s thrown passes so at the top of the list are D. Henry the running back and Austin Pettis the WR. Then there’s Joe Flacco who’s not a starter and has only played two games. So if you exclude the non-QB’s he’s listed at 16th, but even that is misleading because he’s tied with Patrick Mahomes and there’s such little delta difference the other guys that even saying he’s 15th shows a complete misunderstanding of how numbers work.
Ck again. Pro reference. Looked like all qbs with more than 200 attempts. Im at the auto dealer. Cant ck.
I ckd that before i posted it to make sure all qbs were relevant
He’s still 8th in QBR though.
Best 1 yard passes ive ever seen
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/passing.htm
I see what ESPN did. They had the top three listed then started the count again once QB’s with higher attempts. It still doesn’t change the fact that you’re misrepresenting the rankings based on an outdated formula for QB efficiency.
That list you cite is organized by yards passing. If you switch the ranking criteria to QBR Tua is #9 on the link you posted
LMAO
https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/1465434069500633093
https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/1463504888202244103
I disagree, it was 52.29 yards! he looked like a javelin thrower with a running start, he had to pick up his underwear after that throw, trouble is without a running start he can’t make that throw, and it’s pedestrian for a real qb.
He didn’t have a running start. He escaped the pocket stopped long enough to set his feet then threw the ball.
Certainly the latter commentary is what my eyes saw, but Mike E is the optician so only he should make prescriptions out.
Rookie!
UK winning the internet this morning
Lot’s of different ways to look at things Ken. Just presenting another!
Grier had a plan. It may have been flawed. It may never even come to fruition, but he did have a plan.
Ken says:
December 1, 2021 at 9:40 am
That list you cite is organized by yards passing. If you switch the ranking criteria to QBR Tua is #9 on the link you posted
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Wrong, click on rate, at the top, it will take you to ratings, Tua is 18th and al qbs below him are relevant
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/passing.htm
But still #9 under QBR
UK, you’re cherry picking to prove a point, Tua needs a top 10 rating to contend, he’s 18th, those are the facts.
Are you looking in the mirror Rob?
LOL, no, i want to be fair, so let’s take 2021 as a whole, not just point out his good games.
who knows he may be all that!
his arm is weak, any good team will crowd the box and shut our offense down as he doesn’t threaten them with a deep ball.
the last three games will be very telling. I’m sure others will point to everyone accept Tua’s weak ass arm.
Taint the strongest, taint the weakest, but it is mighty accurate. He’ll do for me and it’s plenty good enough. Arm strength is not the B all and end all for being a good QB. And his height deficiency didn’t prevent him from seeing over his OL and the Panthers DL
and going 26 of 31 whilst Superman Cam at 6′ 5″ seemed to do nothing but fire passes at our D Linemen’s hands.
As for your “lunker lure – you catch one bass after another, they cant resist it. they slam the top of the water hitting it” …………. with respect, this fish isn’t biting! 😉 We’ll just agree to disagree.
as for being 28th in yards, we can give him a pass on that due to his injury and not playing all the games, still his avg yards per game at 219 is putrid!
correction, his avg yards of games he played from start to finish is 255 avg YPG
shit, if he was ranked 9th in rating i would be dancing in the streets!
ESPN does a QBR rating, the real rating is passer rating and that’s what i go by.
Passer Rating is the official NFL statistic, while QBR was an ESPN invention
It has almost unanimously been considered the better measurement of QB performance as opposed to passer rating so get on your dancing shoes
That’s debatable Ken, you can’t just agree with those that say that and take it as fact
Steve I just want to see ORob dancing at the next Fest
Must be some inside joke
Tua has been in a zone the last few weeks, not sure with his style it really matters what D he’s going against
When you get rid of the ball quick, and are deadly accurate you can do it against anyone, add in pocket pressence, then if his D reading skills improve watchout
He has one thing to prove to me, can he beat Buffalo?
If he can, we can forget about any negative like arm strength, and give him the title of franchise QB
Wish we played the Bills again this year
QBs with blowout wins, especially in games where the D and/or STs score, tend to have less passing yards
When you get a score from non-offense, the O has 1 less possession
In a blowout you get more running attempts and conservative play calling
Think people still have a bad taste in their mouth from Glennon kicking our ass on a Monday Night game years ago, but like Flacco kicking our ass, that was a long time ago and not relevant now
I don’t remember that game when and what team was he with at the time?
Tampa
Sure would be nice to have him, but I wouldn’t rush him back, especially how we’ve been playing and next week being the bye
If healthy he really gives us another weapon. Also no reason not to rush him back. We have no margin for error for remainder of season so all hands on deck
I’d really like to see how Parker fits in with the new Tua
Will he be the main focus?
Will he be 1b or 1c to Gesicki?
I think it is safe to say Waddle has established himself as the main focus but no doubt Parker and Gisecki will play a significant role as well
Waddle and Tua sure are synced up, but a D may want put their best CB on Parker, because Waddle is mostly used on short containable stuff
That would be good for us if that happened imo
The rest of the season seems to have no unwinnable games
Tenn will be tough on the road and the cheats game may be a brutal dogfight, but we Caan win both, if we continue to play as we’ve done the last 4
With a winning streak going it may be a good thing we’re playing the jets off of the bye
Players sometimes have a letdown after winning several in a row, then having a bye
No room for error or let downs. This is where have to prove his mettle as a coach and have them ready to play
The last four teams we played are so stupid. They should have just stacked the box. They would have definitely won then! Those DC’s are so dumb! It’s so simple!
I know you’re JBB, but it should’ve been Cover zero all day
You have to make Tua beat you deep, but no one seems to have been able to stop Brady’s short passing game
Sure Brady could throw it deep, but the short game was so dynamic, you’d still be better off giving up 2 long tds a game, instead of being short gamed to death
Wouldn’t mind seeing both Parker and Fuller back for the last 3 games
Might actually have an O, despite the OL
The thing about QBR is that it is a proprietary formula (secret) and it is “weighted” which seems to bring in arbitrary opinion based factors. Passer Rating is a relatively simple calculation, but it does not isolate the QB’s performance.
The same exact performance by the QB can produce a 153.8 rating or a 0.0 rating.
1. QB drops back, ducks a free blitzer, scrambles for open space, spins out of another tackle and hucks the ball 60 yards hits the WR in stride right exactly in the hands, the WR catches it and runs for 10 yards to score a TD. 153.8 rating
EXACT SAME PLAY — Ball bounces off WR stone hands. – 0.0 passer rating.
he four separate calculations can be expressed in the following equations:
{\displaystyle a=\left({{\text{COMP}} \over {\text{ATT}}}-.3\right)\times 5}a=\left({{\text{COMP}} \over {\text{ATT}}}-.3\right)\times 5
{\displaystyle b=\left({{\text{YDS}} \over {\text{ATT}}}-3\right)\times 0.25}{\displaystyle b=\left({{\text{YDS}} \over {\text{ATT}}}-3\right)\times 0.25}
{\displaystyle c=\left({{\text{TD}} \over {\text{ATT}}}\right)\times 20}c=\left({{\text{TD}} \over {\text{ATT}}}\right)\times 20
{\displaystyle d=2.375-\left({{\text{INT}} \over {\text{ATT}}}\times 25\right)}d=2.375-\left({{\text{INT}} \over {\text{ATT}}}\times 25\right)
where
ATT = Number of passing attempts
COMP = Number of completions
YDS = Passing yards
TD = Touchdown passes
INT = Interceptions
If the result of any calculation is greater than 2.375, it is set to 2.375. If the result is a negative number, it is set to zero.
Then, the above calculations are used to complete the passer rating:
{\displaystyle {\text{Passer Rating}}=\left({a+b+c+d \over 6}\right)\times 100}{\text{Passer Rating}}=\left({a+b+c+d \over 6}\right)\times 100
Damn it. It turned to gobbly gook when I pasted it.
That’s why they call it a team game
Law of averages does play a part in the example you gave though, and a QB that throws a nice tight spiral and a very catchable ball is likely going to have less drops
Most of the commentary I have heard on QBR vs passer rating is that passer rating is just a mechanical application while QBR does account for actual play. Passer rating is the official stat used by the NFL because as Rock points out QBR is proprietary to ESPN
QBR accounts for a QB that runs with the ball, hence QB rating vs passer rating
Comparing Brady vs Lamar, Brady is always going to have a better passer rating, but might not always have a better QBR
Which one is better? Depends what you’re trying to accomplish
Why hasn’t Lamar won an SB with that crazy good D? He’s not a great passer
How you weigh a running QB vs a passing only QB is where the magic comes in
To less of an extreme, Josh Allen vs Brady, Josh maybe be a better QB, because he can do more things and is still a good passer
Allen vs Brady I think QBR is a more important stat, but not with Brady vs Lamar
It’s not just running with ball that is incorporated but is accounted for in QBR but QBR also takes into account such things as performance in down and distance situations. It is far more than just incorporating running stats
Yeah, and what they did when they came up with the QBR formula is bounced it off of reality, meaning do the guys that have a high QBR are they good QBs?
Then tweaked it to give the meaning they wanted to attain
In general though, when a QB has a great performance it’s reflected in the passer rating and QBR, and vice versa for a shitty one, so we’re just splitting hairs
ORob says, when you look at the passer rating you’re going to see mostly playoff teams in the top 10, not so much for QBR
QB #1 1st 16 games – 320 / 526 – 60.8% – 3,284 yds – 17 TD’s – 16 Ints – 76.9 Rtg
QB#2 1st 16 games – 351 / 524 – 67% – 3,515 yds – 21 TD’s – 11 Ints – 90.5 Rtg
Who is the better QB
HAH! It is a trick question! It’s too early to determine with only 16 games played.
(PS Drew Brees is QB#1)
When you watch highlights of Waddle this season and you want to talk about it on the blog
Passer rating is constant, QBR is subjective and has variables, it’s media driven, ESPN does not share their formula. the nfl uses passer rating, and so should we, even though it goes against Ken’s agenda.
Tua is 18th in the league in passer rating which is below avg,
i don’t think we’ve had a top 10 qb since marino.
tannehill was close, i think at one point he got to 12.
who’s who of qbs are mostly in the top 10, you can find most playoff teams in that category.
i left qbr in my toilet this morning
QBR (QB Rating) is so skewed and oftentimes laughable… it doesn’t even pass the sniff test, to be honest. It’s a generic rating invented by a television network that vastly overrates some players and vastly underrates other players: it literally compares apples to oranges.
Passer rating is the gold standard and the only one of the two that really matters as it applies to a QB’s literal passing record.
Not literal, but a rough and extreme scenario: Michael Vick could have a 40% CMP, 0 TD passes, 3 INTs, and 100 passing yards. But he rushed for 75 yards on 5 carries for 4 TDs. His QBR is likely going to be better than Tua’s, who passed for 65% CMP, 2 TD passes, 0 INTs, and 250 passing yards with 0 rushing yards and 0 rushing TDs.
Now, who was the better passer in the above scenario? Sure as hell wasn’t Vick, but he’d likely have the higher QB Rating. Next game up, Vick has to play the #1 run-D in the NFL, and they will shut him down if he tries to run wild. But, but, but Vick has the higher QB Rating! He’s a better QB than Tua! Funny because Tua carved them up the week prior with a 70% CMP, 4 TDs through the air, and 300 yards passing.
See what I mean? QBR is a VERY skewed stat. I go by passer rating only, and I’m smart enough to look at a QB’s running ability outside of the scope of passing ability.
You said who is the better passer, obviously by those stats Tua, but that isn’t what QBR is trying to determine as the passer rating is
You and I realize this, but I’ve seen many here confused between the two, and the casual fan truly has no idea between the two. Some folks even think the two are the same thing.
If Tua is #18 in passer rating through 16 career games — and behind this dreadful O-Line, playing through broken ribs, broken finger, and coming off a career-threatening hip injury with no camp in ’20 (COVID) — he’s WINNING!
He’s only going to get better and better. I have 100% faith in Tua.
Oh, and don’t let me forget to mention the CONSTANT injuries we’ve had at the WR position, plus they lead the league in drops.
I like this episode. ORob, I hope you watch this in order to see how awful our O-Line really is (and they had one of their best outings this past Sunday, but still sucked), and how well Tua has been progressing DESPITE this woeful O-Line.
Why did PFF grade Eichenberg so well in this game?
He didn’t give up a sack and only 1 pressure. Tua’s mobility is making him look good
See my comment below
Watching this you would’ve thought we were the team with 10 pts.
Smoke and mirrors, and some nifty quick releases by Tua
With Tua finally getting it done, even the RPO is showing some effectiveness
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This was interesting. LOL
Trying to get a page turn, due to the current one being overloaded. The upload speed is BAD right now.
All these ratings give you an idea where the players rank. But there is also the eye test and you can see good and bad QB play.
The eye test is huge for OL, because if the QB gets rid of the ball quick enough, even though any particular OLman is getting beat, he doesn’t give up a sack or pressure
QB could also be getting rid of it quick, because some OLman can’t hold a block for more than 2 seconds
That’s true but that also usually equals minimal gain or a possible incomplete. That’s when you see it and say we have no time to get the ball off for bigger gains. The stats are not always because of the QB’s performance. Sometimes a defense just overtakes an offense and they can’t move the ball and score.
Bad Dad joke of the day:
A priest, a nun, a rabbi, a doctor, and a lawyer all walk into a bar. The bartender looks up and says, “Hey, what is this, a joke?”