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Finsmob Unleashed 
One thing that is consistent with this team is it’s constantly involved in drama.
I know Ross is not very popular with fans and some media. The thing I always felt you wanted from an owner is to give the team the resources it needs to be successful and don’t meddle too much. That he does. But when he does wield his power he comes off clueless about the football team.
As for Grier who I’ve always liked, I’m not sure why he’s teflon. I agree he’s had as many hits as misses with personnel. He hasn’t won anything at any level since he’s been with this organization.
So I’m not sure why Ross is so attached to Grier. If I’m firing Flores then Grier goes with him. Hire a new GM and then he hires the HC. I don’t like how we’re running this team.
It just comes down to who had Ross’s ear and who didn’t.
No doubt and maybe that’s the problem.
Ross did mention how many good young players we have now as opposed to what we had a few years ago with veterans and going nowhere. Okay fine, I think that too. But you just fired your HC who had two consecutive winning seasons with those young players even though we did have rough starts that ended up costing us the playoffs. It’s hard to overcome bad starts. So Ross gives Grier the nod that the talent is there to win with but Flores was at fault for missing the playoffs. Agree or disagree that’s what he decided. If the collaboration wasn’t there as he stated, I guess disagreements on personnel played a role in it.
Ross sided with Grier’s voice. I’m now wondering if that’s the problem. This team has been surrounded by drama for over a decade now and the two who have been a part of that the entire time still remain.
He fired Flores because he didn’t get along with Grier or Tua. Grier is his boss- it’s up to Flores to respect the decisions Grier makes. I read last year when Tua was getting yanked that Flores reportedly wanted Herbert. It was well documented that Ross wanted Tua, and maybe Grier wanted Tua, maybe he didn’t. But he chose who Ross wanted and he still has his job.
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Peterson had success because he put former stud DC and former HC Jim Schwartz in charge of the defense. Schwartz is basically a defensive advisor in TN right now. I’m not sure he would want to leave either.
Fangio as DC would keep our defense similar.
Soooo, aren’t all the experienced, successful head coaches already coaching somewhere? If you’re experienced but unsuccessful do we really want that??
I wasn’t totally sold on Flores but this has completely caught me by surprise. WTF
Lol….generally
But Pederson coached a super bowl winning eagles team and then fell out of favor win ownership
And Harbaugh was successful with the 49ers but left and then took a job in college
His last season at SF was not so successful
He was 8-8 and that was his only season with less than 11 wins in SF
Like it or not, Harbaugh is a good coach
Pedersen was HC or OC of Eagles? Hulk has small brain he forgot sometimes
HC
The Colts coach another backup QB was his OC ( the old Bills backup)
Frank Reich
Ross has already said he would never pry Harbaugh from Michigan.
And that means what? It’s silly season don’t believe anything that is reported
That said I don’t think Harbaugh is coming here. I think he goes to the Raiders
It wasn’t reported, he said it. Their Michigan connection. Ross would be screwing his Alma mater.
I know I saw it too but I don’t think it means anything
I think he’s a poor fit for us
I think he is overrated
Just throwing this out there. Vic Fangio as HC and the defense remains the same style. Then he hires a proven OC to take control of the offense. Matt Nagy? Fangio returns the favor. I know these guys didn’t have much success as HC’s but they are both good coaches. Their teams are prepared. Some of their issues was personnel.
The reason I like Fangio is he would keep this defense rolling. It’s the best part of our team.
I guess you could say or vice versa.
Jim Harbaugh was 59-36-1 with a 7-4 postseason record including a super bowl appearance
I don’t care how unlikable he is
That’s an outstanding record and we would be lucky to have him as a coach
I get Saban vibes with Harbaugh. Always looking for the next best thing. I don’t see him being really committed to anything
Naples will like this
Herd would be happy
I like him being successful but I don’t know how to rate him as a coach. He has Brady as a QB. It could be like Gase with Manning. I try to be realistic on the potential.
He would be another first time HC and no matter how qualified he may be there will be growing pains just as there was with Flores but Leftwich is as good as any first time prospective HC out there
Just say no to Leftwich
I’m not shocked that he was fired nor am I really supportive of it. He hasn’t really done what he set out to do. He has had some great moments and he did dig us out of a hole and almost make the playoffs, but he also put us in that hole too. I was for another year with him and Grier both, but Ross was ready to move on. To me though Grier and Flores should go together do if he is done with Flores Grier should be going too imo. Guess we will see.
Listening to WQAM this morning they said unequivocally that Grier is safe and won’t be fired
Byron Leftwich is one of the younger coaches thought to be ready for HC and he has been around success. Coaching under Bruce Arians for 3 years is a plus. He would give us an offensive coach for Tua and Co. and that group needs to get better. Who would he bring in as DC?
I think anyone we hire as HC needs to look at how this defense was built and why they can be so good. You don’t want to start with a new system just because the new DC runs a totally different scheme. Don’t change what you already have. That’s the sign of a good HC.
As for Harbaugh, Ross said he wouldn’t lure him away from Michigan. But if he wants to leave anyway, that would be a different story wouldn’t it?
That’s what I took out of what he said too, when I read it was thinking…i did not have sexual relations with that women
Exactly Herd
Fangio is a Harbaugh guy, just saying. He’s a top DC with HC experience.
OF ALL THE WORDS OF WOE,
THE WORST OF THESE,
“I TOLD YOU SO!!”
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Someone way up the page said “This is ODD day. … For Old Dolfan Day.”
Not really. Almost every week for the last few years I’ve told you guyz and galz that the Dolphins’ greatest need is NOT a new QB, not a wide receiver, etc., etc.
MIAMI’s GREATEST NEED IS A NEW OWNER!!
And Jackass Ross just proved that today beyond a doubt.
The Miami Dolphins have NOT HAD back-to-back winning seasons since 2002-2003
during the Dave Wannstedt, Ricky Williams era. AND CERTAINLY NOT
DURING THE STEVE ROSS ERA!!!
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SO, FINALLY, we have back-to-back winning seasons, plus a reasonable expectation
for improvement NEXT SEASON, and what does Little Stevie Blunder do??
He fired the coach who helped to make this all possible!!! UNBELIEVABLE??!!
NOO-O-O-O!! It’s par for the course for the franchise wrecker, himself
—-STEVE ROSS!!
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IT’s almost like Ross FIRED Flores for succeeding!! INDEED, Ross
ruined the first half of the season by flirting with the acquisition of
a man accused of committing felonies against 22 women. According
to one report, he even offered to buy off the 22 accusers with MONEY.
18 said yes, but 4 said NO. Meanwhile, Ross let TUA twist slowly in the
wind as these shenanigans went on. Predictably, the team faltered as
it appeared Tua might be headed for Houston. A 1-7 start ensued!!
FINALLY, when this attempted buy off with these women failed, it became apparent Tua would be here foe the whole season. AND the team responded with an 8-1 finish.
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The fear of success gripped Ross. HE HAD TO appear that HE, not Flores,
was the reason the team was succeeding. SO HE FIRED FLORES so he
could claim the glory.
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WELL, fans, THE WRONG GUY WAS FIRED TODAY! rOSS SHOULD
HAVE FIRED HIMSELF, AND TURNED OVER THE TEAM TO BRUCE BEAL,
who could hardly be worse than Little Stevie Blunder!!!
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I’ll finish for now. However, there’s MORE TO THIS STORY.
And I’ll reveal it in about 10-14 days. I’ll just say it has to do
with an official complaint I’ve filed against Ross concerning
my continuing as a season ticket holder. It ought to be interesting!
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FIRE STEVE ROSS!!!
From your mouth to my ears… WELL STATED!
We were all waiting for this. LOL
Whomever we hire had better hope that Tua can be more dynamic than he’s been. OL, OC , QB, whoever you want to blame, Tua has to be better. I don’t think there’s any doubt that Herbert is the better QB right now, and I’m not sure it’s close. If we don’t find success at the QB position, anyone who comes in here is doomed to fail.
Agreed! Tua and Herbert are different beasts though. Their games and size are quite different. It’s unfortunate that they were drafted one or the other in 2020. It’s not fair to always compare them. They can both be good in different ways. Neither has made the playoffs but both have shown some good stuff. Yes Herbert has been better but despite his numbers he also plays some clunker games. I know he was my FF QB this year.
I’ll say this about the two, when Herbert is on he’s as good as it gets. When Tua is on he’s a surgeon. He doesn’t overwhelm you like a Herbert but at the end of the game he wins.
We need a good OC who can get the best out of what Tua does well. Either build around him or don’t, but don’t fuck around with him. It’s a bad look. If that continues I really hope he ends up with a team that wants him.
Agreed Tim
I’m none too happy today. Steve Ross MUST go.
He’s not going anywhere
I know… but it feels good to say it. LOL
😂
Minnesota fired Zimmer. I’d love him as DC, if he’s not gonna go for another HC job.
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Harbaugh WILL be our next coach, count on it… Steve Ross loves him that much. If he’s going to leave Michigan to turn pro again, Ross will outbid EVERYBODY for his services, just to keep him in his network.
Harbaugh has had good success in the NFL, but he seems mentally unstable to me.
Only if Harbaugh outright quits Michigan giving up his contract. Now he’s free to explore anything. But Ross is not going to court him out of Michigan. Think about it?
Correct. If Harbaugh wants to come back to the NFL (quits Michigan), Ross will be there to hire him as HC of our Phins.
Unrelated to today’s events, I’ve heard of two more instances where a nurse (Vaxxed) with COVID-19 had to go to work because of short staff situations. This shit is getting me all riled up. So our politicians would rather have vaccinated sick people working in their hospitals over healthy non-vaccinated people. What is the world coming to? That’s beyond fucked up people!!
It is. You must bow to your superiors.
So should Harbaugh become our next HC, is he going to ride with Tua or is he going to swing for the fences with Watson?
Maybe he tries to get cute and draft a QB he’s coached at Michigan or a QB he’s played against as coach of Michigan.
Have you watched and or read anything from the team and owner today?
Your rants are polar opposites of what was said!
Not that I’m complaining rant away!
I’ve read, watched, seen many tweets, and I conclude that’s there’s a whole lot of smoke screening out there. Don’t believe everything ya hear, and don’t believe half of what ya see, Bro! 🙂
* don’t believe anything ya hear…
I would think everyone’s first thought was Harbaugh, it’s too easy. It was mine as soon as I heard it at approximately 9:40 this morning. I still think it’s possible. Harbaugh may just quit and then is Ross not going to hire him if he hasn’t already hired a coach? I’d have to see that to believe it.
I don’t like the bend don’t break defense. It always eventually breaks. NE came close to a come back last night. They can’t stop teams when they need to, rather they rely on making a big play. Which they don’t always do.
That’s not what we always thought a traditional bend don’t break defense is. That’s a cover 2 style. Keep everything in front of us and wait for mistakes. Our defense has been the opposite. Attack and force the action. Sometimes you get beat. It’s the same defense the great DC Dick LeBeau ran. Our defense is championship ready. The offense is not close. You can’t win scoring 13-17 points on offense most of the time.
I am not the originator of this thought, but there are two guys who I’d like to consider for the HC.
Hackett the OC for GB and Kevin O’Connell the Rams OC.
Then there’s Todd Bowles.
Good choices. As for me, I’d really like to get Eric Bieniemy as our new HC.
He’s the Next one everyone talks up …
Do you really think their offense is about him? First it’s Andy Reid, then Mahomes, Hill, Kelce and the rest. When I watch the Chiefs, they play sandlot football much of the time. Mahomes is always running around. He is not a pocket passer. He’s the modern day Fran Tarkenton/Roger Staubach. What is the impact of Bieniemy with that?
I think that’s why he’s been passed on for HC in the past. It really is not about him. He just does his job as OC.
Yup, Manitoba! Strange that he’s not yet gotten the promotion to HC. Makes me wonder if he’s a really bad interview. Some people don’t have “it” to become a HC… perhaps that’s the case with Bieniemy. Dunno, but he’d provide a great Offense.
I hear ya, Tim. I don’t get it why Bieniemy hasn’t landed a HC job yet. I do NOT believe it has anything to do with some nefarious matter to blackball him… maybe he just doesn’t fit the bill as a HC.
I don’t see what we offer that the Raiders don’t also offer, and they have a better QB. What hold does Ross have on Harbaugh? He likes Harbaugh but I’ve never seen anywhere that Harbaugh really loves him some Steve Ross. He is friends with Mark Davis though.
Fair point! BTW, I didn’t realize that Harbaugh is friends with Mark Davis… interesting.
Harbaugh will be the Raiders next HC
What about Brian Billick? Maybe Ross will hire him? LOL 😉
Old news. Hasn’t coached in years. The game has changed
You missed the “LOL” and winky face, Hulkster! Steve Ross has a personal vendetta against Billick! 😀
Hulk to angry to notice details
Flores without Tua is 10-17, with Tua, 14-8.
Don’t forget Caldwell is out there, although too old for my taste.
Zimmer’s too old, Fangio’s too old.
We need someone with energy and trying to build a name for themselves and a future.
And someone who can relate to the young players.
no, no. please forget Caldwell is out there. He’s not the answer.
So let’s take a look at the history of Steve Ross with HCs…
– Took over in ’09 (HWH sold the team to him), and rolled with Tony Sparano (RIP) who was a first-time HC, OL-Coach, Dallas Cowboys
– Selected his first HC, Joe Philbin, OC, Green Bay Packers
– Selected his second HC, Adam Gase, OC, Denver Broncos
– Selected his third HC, Brian Flores, DC, New England Patsies*
All 4 of these HCs were first-time HCs… he seems to like the new ‘up-and-coming’ guys.
Does he change course with an experienced HC or does he continue to go first-time HC, with a short leash of a mere 3 years as of late? There’s a trend here and I think he bucks it this time.
Don’t forget Dan Campbell
Good point! Unfortunately, he’s unavailable… otherwise, I’d advocate for him in heartbeat!
Flores is on the market. He seems like a good coach. Maybe we can get him.
He’s already been a HC. Ross likes first timers.
😆
Cav Kong,
I nearly lost my $#!t at work today upon seeing the news that Flores was fired… I was really pissed off. But then I was reading your posts here from earlier (I didn’t reply while at work), and you cracked me up! Well done, Bro! You summed up how I felt PERFECTLY, and with humor!
Cheers!
That makes me smile to read it. I’m glad I was able to make some of y’all laugh earlier.
I was completely stunned by the news, and honestly making myself laugh is usually my way of muddling through things if I don’t know what else to do, lol. 😁
I’ll try to follow your lead, man. It won’t be easy to keep a smile (hence my Darth Maul avi), but you brought smiles to me! Thank you for that.
🍻
lol
Ugh
Daboll is the ONE who turned Josh Allen around. What’s more, he KNOWS all of the weaknesses of the Bills.
Daboll would be a very solid hire, IMO.
Did he not coach Tua at Alabama that game where Tua won in relief and won the National Championship?
Daboll wanted to put Tua in earlier and was miffed about that when he left there.
I believe you’re correct, Naples.
Was he not a member of our staff a while back already ?
manitobafinfan says:
January 10, 2022 at 9:05 pm
Was he not a member of our staff a while back already ?
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Yessir! And he almost made Chad Henne look like a legit starter in this league back in 2011.
yes Toba
What was his title .. I thought name sounded familiar
and he’s canadian too
Well dilly dilly then 😊🇨🇦
He was our OC in 2011.
He was released after we hired Joe Philbin as our HC.
Would I assume correctly under Satan , and followed him to Bama ?
Negative, Manitoba. Tony Sparano hired him as our OC… many years after Satan spurned us.
Gotcha thanx … assumed as ya said was at Bama.. and I’m in lazy mode 🤷♂️
Brian Daboll was the AP NFL Assistant Coach of the Year in 2020. He’s come a LONG way from his days with us a decade ago.
He’s been around some guys with successful teams for sure. I’m not sure if he’s HC material or able to get this team to the next level or not.
If he made Henne look serviceable, that’s a BIG JOB
Same here, and agreed. I DO like the fact that he’s worked with Tua before as his OC and QB Coach at Alabama.
I think he’s definitely worth taking a look at.
Jamison Williams hurt
Woohoo now we can draft him 😊
Good one!
Only if he promises to be chronically hurt every year
1st thought was he will fall far enough we would be in range .. 2nd thought was we do love to draft us some damaged goods 🤡
LOL
This league is too watered down. Rosters, coaches. There aren’t any solid ones anymore like there used to be. The closest thing we’ve had to a coaching tree in the last 20 years is Belichick and every one of his branches withers within a few years.
Chad Henne got hurt the season Brian Daboll was here. He only played 4 games that season and threw 4 TDs. His stats weren’t that different than his previous years.
Brian Daboll makes a lot of sense if Tua is our QB. Coached him at Alabama. I know he had his run with us and not many were happy due to his success with rankings and stats. But he’s a good coach on offense. He’d be a Tua guy. He already knows him.
It seems to me we want someone who wants to work with Tua. Flores did not. Again agree or disagree, that’s the vibe I’m getting.
The key is hiring a DC that doesn’t fuck with the defense. They’re onto something.
I’m Not a fan of the Bills run game ..
Let me rephrase…
I like how their run game does not exist as it’s the Bills
I’d like a better run game for our team
If Daboll ends up back here, I wonder if he brings back Dan DeGuglielmo to coach the offense in some capacity.
Maybe Eric Mangini as DC?
So Jets and Bills Stank ?? Eeeww
well they all came from the Belichick tree before they went to those teams.
Maybe if we hire Daboll he will own the bills the same way Flores owns the patriots….lol
I’m glad they’re embracing the QB rather than giving up on him. Finally a plan I can believe in
If Flores really didn’t like Tua and couldn’t get behind him then that’s a monumental failure on his part and he deserved to be fired. Your job as coach is to make your team better by using the guys you have.
I agree
And it’s just a rumor but the reason I’m not having a hard time believing it, is that you can see times when Flores didn’t believe in Tua over the last 2 years
Tim Knight says:
January 10, 2022 at 9:23 pm
…It seems to me we want someone who wants to work with Tua. Flores did not. Again agree or disagree, that’s the vibe I’m getting…
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I’m not buying that, man… that Flores didn’t want to work with Tua.
We’ve all heard that it was Marino and Grier who wanted Justin Herbert, but Flores wanted Tua. Then, Ross (probably with the support of Grier) reached out to Deshaun Watson before the trade deadline, behind the back of Flores. Afterwhich, Flores and Tua went on a 7-game winning streak and damn near made the playoffs (but for the Titans game).
Add this fact, which Naples cited…
naplesfan2010 says:
January 10, 2022 at 8:18 pm
Flores without Tua is 10-17, with Tua, 14-8.
There is NO WAY that Flores was not all about working with Tua. Wyoming had asked me earlier if I had read/heard anything that had occurred today and what the management mouthpieces had stated… I sure as hell have been ALL OVER IT, ever since the moment it was announced this morning, and Flores is the fall guy for yet another blunder by Steve Ross.
Steve Ross had stated this morning that he supports Tua 100%… LMAO, SMH… but he’ll leave it up to the next HC to make that decision on our QB… after Ross personally called Deshaun Watson.
Between benching him several times as a rookie, not starting him against the ravens until his starter was hurt, Playing ultra-conservative when we had a lead, numerous times when he took the ball out of his hand in the redzone, taking him out on critical 4th downs ….there is a strong body of evidence that suggest that a Flores didn’t have faith in Tua
You don’t have to rely on rumors. There is a lot that happened in front of our own eyes that indicates something was up
I disagree, Pigster. See below in my reply to Mike E.
Alabama is a receiver factory
INDEED!
M – there’s no way you can know that Flores was behind Tua. His actions say otherwise. He pulled Tua in his rookie season. He pulled him on short yardage plays for Brisket. He wasn’t looking at Tua big picture, just trying to win games. That’s fine, but then don’t lose to the fucking Bills 56-26 in the season finale!
Agreed
Forget the rumors. Judge what you saw on the field. It didn’t scream I have faith in my QB.
Sorry, I disagree with ya, my man. I say the actions dictate Flores was in Tua’s corner… and that includes protecting his QB (broken ribs, broken finger), so as to bring Big Brissett into short-yardage sits.
M – Ross doesn’t have to appease anyone. If it’s he who doesn’t want Tua he can bring in a different QB. I know he called Watson and I hated that, but an elaborate scheme to make Flores look like the bad one and make him take the hit is pretty far fetched
Like Ross has never done this kind of thing before? We’re not arguing with one another, we’re just seeing things a bit differently. It’s all good.
Of course we’re not arguing, have I called you a dick or something? We’re just discussing this. 😂
Oh yeah! Well pee on you, you pee-pee head!!! LOL 😀
M – what about last season? Tua was healthy and Flores pulled him when he struggled. Does that show confidence in your QB or show you want to win and couldn’t give a flying fuck about your rookie QB’s psyche?
Tua was NOT healthy last season, my guy!!! What’s more, he didn’t have a legit offseason due to COVID protocols.
What was the longest pass (all air) Tua had in 2020? You could clearly see the difference in his health from 2020 to 2021.
31 other teams didnt have a legit offseason either. I don’t see how this is always brought up with Tua. Although I agree that Tua wasn’t fully healthy, none of the coaching decisions support trying to keep him safe. Just look at the plays that were called in the jets game for him and then the first several plays against the Rams. Not to mention not giving him a run game or an o-line.
C’mon M, now your being disingenuous. He was healthy enough to start but he was pulled because of poor play. Do you see that with any other high draft pick QB’s in the NFL? Just think of the Ravens game. He started Brisket but had Tua suit up anyway. Brisket blows chunk so he pulls Brisket and puts Tua into a Fitzmagic type of relief role. Was he concerned about his health in that instance?
Yeah, I can’t agree that Flores supported Tua for the reasons already stated. At least Grier was willing to trade up to grab his old college buddy, even if he didn’t get him an o-line or a running back.
^^^
This isn’t really as insightful as Armando thinks it is
Good lord. I forgot all about Do-Hickey
Many called him “The Silver Fox”, LOL
Gotta get some sleep. M, we’ll continue this convo tomorrow. G’nite pal
G’night, Miguel de la E! Hope both you and the wife are feeling much better.
Mike E. says:
January 10, 2022 at 10:04 pm
C’mon M, now your being disingenuous. He was healthy enough to start but he was pulled because of poor play. Do you see that with any other high draft pick QB’s in the NFL?…
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Sorry, I just don’t see it that way… I truly don’t. I will admit that Flores couldn’t assemble a legit Offense, but Tua also set some records.
Honestly, there’s no need to debate/speak of this issue any longer: it’s over and it is what it is. We need to look toward the future out of necessity at this point.
My #1 for new HC? Brian Daboll.
M13, all reports say the disconnect with Flores was he was not on board with Tua. Not sure why you keep saying the opposite. What if it was that? It sure sounds like that to me and Flores lost that battle. Agree or disagree it seems apparent to me. He got fired so if this team builds around Tua moving forward that will confirm that. If not maybe something else was also going on.
I’m bummed and it will take awhile to adjust to where we’re headed. It’s the same boat for all of us fans.
Yessir, see my above reply to Mike E… it doesn’t matter any longer. Time to move forward.
Maybe we can bring back Dowell Loggains.
Fuck fuck fuck
Yup, yup, yup!!! Here we go again…
I didnt get heavily into samurai last off-season. Mainly bc there was a big 3 that was head and shoulder above the rest and I think it showed up this year on the field
But I do want to mention that I one of my favorites outside the top 3, Amon-Ra St. Brown, had a heck of a season on a bad team with 90 catches for just under 1000 yards
That’s one helluva name: Amon-Ra. I wonder if he can read hieroglyphics…
His brother is on the packers
Equanimous St Brown
His parents were pretty creative
Whoever we hire as HC, don’t fuck up the defense with some new system change. It’s ready made. Yes they can play Cover 0, Cover 3 and Zone Blitz schemes. That’s what it is. X’s pick 6 this past Sunday was in zone coverage. His instincts are elite.
If you’re a top DC, coaching this group on defense is an attractive job.
mf13ss says:
January 10, 2022 at 8:53 pm (Edit)
Daboll is the ONE who turned Josh Allen around. What’s more, he KNOWS all of the weaknesses
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He is the reason why the Bills will not win a SB. He doesn’t know what a RB does
Not sure I get that. Singletary and Moss are a big part of the Bills offense. Josh Allen is the #1 option in that offense because he is their best player other than Stefon Diggs. It starts with them. You roll with your best players.
Daboll is a Tua guy. He’ll build around him and Waddle and the rest. He’s a good candidate to me.
He also weakens our nemesis. He knows everything about the Bills. 😉
It’s always about winning the division first.
They are among the least efficient at running the ball. It has been a source of major criticism all the year that the abandon the run way too often or rely on Allen way too much to be their run game. It is a very unbalanced offense
This is what I had heard most of the year too … they seemed to get better the last couple weeks but ….
Ken, the Bills are the 6th best rushing team in the NFL. Josh Allen is the cash cow. That’s why they’re one of the best teams in the league. You roll with who helps you win.
Daboll will adjust with Tua as a different player. It’s about winning games. Not showing perfect balance. He already knows Tua and coached him.
Results with one team does not always mean the same thing with another. Coaches adapt to talent.
The Chiefs are 16th in rushing because of Mahomes. But they win and compete for championships.
Mahomes doesn’t run anywhere near as much as Allen and the Chiefs RBs have had injuries
Only because of Allen’s running stats. They don’t utilize their RBs
James Cook looks pretty good tonight
He’s had an excellent year
Runs in the family
Is it inconceivable that Tua in his 3rd year can get better and start to put all his setbacks behind him? The guy is super accurate when he has the time. I don’t care if he can’t throw the longest pass. That’s not what wins games in the NFL. Tua has the intangibles to win. It’s not about height and overwhelming physical skills, it’s about playing smart and being accurate. He has that and he’s just getting started. You don’t win 8 of the last 9 playing what… Tua 7.5 of those, by being a hack QB? He’s a winner!!!!
That’s the trait stats can’t define. Go back and look at the start of Tom Brady’s career. He was not a stat guy. But he didn’t lose a lot of games and he was on a much better team.
Game would be over, if Smart was
Going for 2 was retarded
And hhad a 2nd chance to put it away and kicks the extra pt
D bailed him out
I agree I was shaking my head on that. Only go for 2 if you have to.
Yes, last 2 or 3 minutes, unless you trail by 16 or 24
Ken, Mahomes breaks the pocket more than any QB I watch. He rarely runs the play called other than a run play. Most pass plays are improv. But the talent level is so high they can do that.
You see a lot of the same thing with Josh Allen. They are treated the same way we treated Marino. Who gives us the best chance to win? Dan throwing 40+ times or a 30-30 balance?
Didn’t care for Daboll when he was our OC, but we didn’t have much talent
Guess he’s as good as any, and won several SBs with the cheats
We signed him from that bad run with the Browns everyone had. LOL
The Daboll/Tua connection is what I’m focused on. Then sign a DC that will understand our defense. Don’t change it just because it’s not my system. That’s not good coaching.
I don’t know if Daboll and Fangio have a relationship but one can always start. They’re both experienced coaches in the NFL.
Like Randy always says, it’s about talent. It’s true!
The key to good coaching is don’t get too cute. Roll with what is good.
Williams hurt he knee last night- didn’t look good.
Pretty speechless really.
I have little confidence a good replacement will be found for Flores (we don’t really have a great track record in this respect – Flores wouldn’t even have been here if we had).
The question I keep asking myself is would Ross have hired Shula? He wasn’t exactly Mr. Nice Guy 24/7. He .did get the best out of his roster though. As does Bellicheat. As did Alex Ferguson for Man U in football over here. As did Lombardi, Cowher, Parcells, Ditka etc etc. This isn’t an office environment, where blue-sky thinking and brain-storming collaborations start each day. It’s about coaching players to be physical, to carrying out their duty, be disciplined, follow a leader they believe in into “battle” after being inspired by him and wanting to win for him and their team-mates.
Flores is as close to a Sparano-type as we’ve had to date and we’ve swung and missed on a bunch since then. I’m going to try to stay open-minded, but it feels like just as we landed on a ladder and started to rise through the ranks, we’ve gone straight onto the head of a snake and are in freefall. Fingers crossed for a soft landing.
Sorry you feel this way. I was surprised by the firing because I didn’t see it coming. That being said, as much I thought the culture changed, he never had our team prepared for a big game any better than any other coach we’ve had in the last decade or 2 or 3. Last year’s finale against the Bills we were embarrassed 56-26. This year against the Titans, do you think we had the same confidence and energy that we showed against the Patriots this past weekend? Then there are the other issues of which we may never find out the truth, but there is some evidence to support that Flores didn’t support Tua and that’s a problem. As I pointed out to M earlier, how many teams when they make the decision that they’re going forward with their highly drafted rookie QB pull him out at half because he wasn’t playing well? It seemed the big picture was groom Tua to be our next franchise QB instead Flores pulled him and went looking for W’s rather than help his QB become a better player. Then this year, when he’s out due to broken ribs, he has Jacoby Brissett start the Ravens game, and has Tua suit up as the backup QB, the only other QB on the gameday roster. If Tua was healthy enough to suit up, he’s the starter. Instead, Flores starts Brissett who has a lousy game and in desperation, inserts Tua into the game who actually pulls a Fitzmagic and gets us the win. So did he do that because he cares for the welfare of his QB or because he wanted the W? Also putting in Brissett all those times in short yardage situations doesn’t help your young QB. Anyway, it’s how I see it.
Whilst I can’t dispute any of that, I still felt in my gut that with a better OC, a decent OL coach/talent, receivers who are actually healthy and can contribute to 1/ catches and 2/ YACs and a drafted RB we would have been at least a play off team. That being said, I wasn’t sure we could go all the way, since, as you have pointed out, the D (our strength) often let us down in big games. For me that gamble was worth staying pat for and letting next season play out as was, but hey, it’s not my money!
Bottom line is it’s hypothetical now, as the only thing that matters is the new HC. What scares me is we pick another damp squib and are back here in ’25. And if Grier shits the bed again in the draft, do we get a new GM who doesn’t like the HC that GM Grier picked. I’m just praying to the Football Gods that we hit on the right HC and Grier has a good draft. I’m hoping for a Miami Miracle but expecting the Patriots version leading to Sam’s TD!
That Buffalo running game is really a blotch on Daboll’s resume, and I’m really tired of having an anemic rushing attack.
Let’s get a guy who knows how to put a balanced offense out there so the DCs can’t scheme us into 17 ppg.
I’d still prefer Hackett or O’Connell or maybe Leftwich or even Pedersen over Daboll.
Can Daboll assemble a staff? run a training camp? win playoffs?
It’s really slim pickings out there and it didn’t really seem like the organization did any due diligence of who they wanted to go after, unless it was Daboll this whole time.
Twitter has some guy saying Flores pushed for Tua to be tested for PEDs multiple times during that first summer because he thought no one could recover that quickly from that injury without illicit drugs.
I cannot verify the reliability of the source.
lol. some guy on twitter…
Sounds legit…
After a firing lilke this, it’s tough to discern what is true or not, but we can look on the field and see actions that speak louder than words. Grier and Flores deserve both praise and blame for the last 3 years and neither were all that consistent.
It might not have been ideal for Flores to have Tua as his QB as reported, but why sabotage your own job by not supporting your QB? It’s not like Tua is a malcontent who refused to be coachable. Grier didn’t really give Flores the firepower he needed on offense either. The o-line stayed a mess. Wide receiver stayed a mess. Running back stayed a mess. We traded a 2nd and a 5th to rent Josh Rosen for a few games when ARZ didn’t have any trade leverage and we could see he wasn’t worth it anyway. We drafted a QB coming off an injury that the HC possibly wasn’t on board with.
I’m thinking maybe Flores was frustrated with Grier and couldn’t do anything about it, since it was his boss and maybe that manifested in taking it out on Tua. That being said, everyone at the top is culpable. Nobody seems to have behaved in a professional manner.
The person coming in better have the expectation of immediate success. This isn’t a team in need of a teardown or rebuild. We need to add talent to an offense that is close and keep this defense nasty. Someone who can focus on getting this offense right, developing Tua, and leave the defense to someone who knows what they are doing.
Josh Allen (QB) is an anomaly. Or at least a freak of nature to be that huge and that shifty a runner.
In the last game of the season, with the Division title on the line (for all he knew) he only completed 53% of his passes. Against the Jest.
But he rushed for a 12+ yard average on 5 carries.
Is this victory in any way due to Daboll? Maybe he just gets out of Josh Allen’s way and that’s a good thing compared to our OCs.
Ross is a buffoon, doesn’t matter who hire as HC, as long as Ross is the owner we’re doomed
He says the front office and HC need to be on the same page, but he allows the inept Grier to piss in his ear, if he wanted a winner he should’ve fired Grier only or both
Keeping Grier suggests the same type of fighting will occur with the next HC
I do think Flores deserved another year.
He swept NE and the jests in the same season.
He had back to back winning seasons.
We have a bunch of good but very young talent.
The guys play hard for him and never gave up.
But
We fell apart and lost 3 winnable games during the losing streak.
We were embarrassed by Buffalo multiple times and were not ready for the Titans game.
The highly drafted OL made only tiny progress.
Several quality players were “run off” (Minkah, McKinney, Van Noy).
OC was a disaster.
There were numerous egregiously bad clock management or in game decisions.
There was a weak yet gimmicky offensive playbook.
There were way too many 3 and outs with long periods of offensive ineptitude in most every game.
If not for Fitzmagic, we would not have gone 10-6.
If not for Xavien, we would have lost both NE games this year.
Not giving Tua a real rookie season, as well as keeping a leash on him and resorting to gadget plays instead of sound football, has slowed his progress.
The only thing I disagree with on this list is running off quality players. Fitzpatrick was a malcontent and other two were released. Van Noy wanted to stay here and McKinney was a throwaway player who hasn’t really done anything since he left.
If what is being reported about Flores and Tua is true and I am not convinced it is but if it is something had to give. You can’t have a QB and HC at odds with one another. Did they make the right choice? I am a big Tua fan but I am also a Flores fan. No matter what choice they made I would be angry. Hulk is always angry.
Dave Hyde was on the local rock morning show this morning and made mention of a heated argument between Flores and Tua during the Titans game where Tua actually started dropping the Fbomb at Flores.
I hate this whole deal. I liked Flores and do not like Grier, I think taking Tua with Herbert sitting there was a huge mistake. My biggest issue with Flores was he could not put together a staff. He had a bunch of inexperienced guys getting “a chance” and had way too much turn over.
OC – Chad O’Shae, Chan Gailey, The Cocos
DC – Patrick Graham, Josh Boyer
OL – Pat Flaherty, Dave DeGuglielmo, Steve Marshall, Lemuel Jeanpierre
QB – Jim Caldwell (for a cup of coffee), Jerry Schuplinski, Robby Brown, Charlie Frye
Four OC’s, two DC’s, four OL and 4 QB coaches in 3 seasons.
I like stability, but Flores was not able to provide any. He had a hard time keeping a staff for whatever reason.
His constant churning of staff is a very fair and valid criticism. I am not sure I would have fired him over that alone but it was a disturbing trend
On that list Pederson is my favorite
Agree, and only reason Daboll is favored is he has an interview
I had no problem with the pulling of Tua last year and again I am a Tua fan. Yes Flores was chasing Ws but we were in playoff contention you have to chase Ws. Everyone of us was pumped when Fitzpatrick delivered one of the most memorable wins in the post Marino era. It’s up to Tua to be big enough to accept what happened and learn from it which he apparently did
For whatever it’s worth??
Yesterday as soon as Flores’s firing was announced all of the “reporters” that were all in on Watson to Miami did a 180′ turn and said it’s not likely to happen now????
Coinkidink?
Yes but some of that was because Wants a Massage expressed a desire to play for Flores
Because they heard the explanation of Flo not being a Tua guy, along with Watson wanting Flo
On a day Ross turned the organization upside down, at least Saban didn’t get another title
Not sure what they’re doing at GA, but some of those guys on D look a little too big, muscular and athletic to be football players
Not saying something fishy is going on, but not saying it’s not
We don’t have a coach yet, but I keep seeing all of these mock drafts, it’s like gathering ingredients before you know what you’re cooking
I’m not sure why it matters. It’s not like Grier is posting the mock drafts.
Well, until yesterday morning, we had a coach. Also, it is somewhat obvious to see what this team needs to add to be better. Looking through our armchair GM lenses. 😉
But what type of team will we be building a whimsy smoke and mirrors one with lots of gimmicks, run and shoot with zone blocking, power team…
How do you know what type of players to draft without knowing that?
I wasn’t referring to those on here doing mocks
Mock drafts are just an exercise for those NOT involved with the organization, so it really is no value anyway
I really feel bad for Jameson Williams. He doesn’t get hurt and it may have been a different outcome. Though, UGA did a good job of confusing Alabama QB with mixing up blitzing LB’s then dropping them back in coverage at times.
MikeE, hope you watched the game since you asked about LB’s for this draft. With all the LB blitzing both teams did that game, quite a few of them would fit our defense. Or, at least, what our defense was under Flores.
https://www.outkick.com/rating-the-nfl-coaching-openings-shows-worst-is-best/
Mando’s take: Ownership here is questionable. Stephen Ross said he fired Adam Gase in 2018 because he “wanted to win,” and Brian Flores was fired Monday because he apparently didn’t meet the standard of collaboration the owner expected — even as Flores delivered back-to-back winning seasons.
That Jax job looks attractive (if you want to come and live in London in a few years) 😉
Mando basically has only covered the Dolphins for a few decades and is always negative about them
I don’t know why anyone takes him seriously
There is a reason he got kicked out of the herald and now writes for a periodical that no one has heard of
He’s just horrible
We have the worst beat writers on the planet
Outkick is the perfect name for a periodical for him then, but I did read an article about his circumstances which made me soften my stance somewhat – he had a really serious heart attack which he was lucky to survive. my gut tells me that this gig is probably working from home and a lot less stressful (from some of his tweets).
https://www.outkick.com/passion-for-life-and-urgency-about-nfl-season-all-it-takes-is-a-near-death-experience/
Flores did run people off though and that included talented coaches. Patrick Graham wanted out asap. He’s turned down jobs while at the Giants but couldn’t wait to leave this place. Constant coaching turnover says a ton. Losing top picks like MFFF isn’t optimal.
While Grier has fucked up a lot, he bent over backwards churning for Flores. And Flores is the guy who kept the always injured WRs. He decided we needed all those WRs to start the season while our OL was a disaster. It was his OL coaches who couldn’t get a starting NFL line put together. Grier told Ross, “ look at my picks! They can succeed if coached well!” Is he wrong?
some of those guys on D look a little too big, muscular and athletic to be football players
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I don’t understand this???
PED
I like Pederson best but only because he’s been a successful coach who put together a solid staff. I’m not sure if Daboll could do that. That means Zimmer may be my second favorite option. He’s had some solid seasons and good defenses but who would he bring as OC? I want a successful dude who has put together a staff before or at least has some really strong connections. Pederson as a long time Reid guy just makes the most sense to me if he brings a good DC. I don’t want Beinemy tbh. Something is off there.
I would like Pederson then Daboll
This would be my pfrerence as well
Not crazy about Zimmer. His defenses have been good as DC in Cincy to Minn but the last 2 years they were bottom of the league. He will be 66 this season.
That means he will be 69 when he’s fired
Pretty cool….
I don’t think our needs change all that much with a new HC. We need to fix the OL, add WR talent, get a stud RB, run stuffing ILB, maybe a DT, SS or CB. I don’t see our needs changing all that much regardless of HC. I know system(s) will play a role in who we chose in one guy over another but the needs are still there.
I agree the needs don’t change with the OL being the most glaring
Of course the initial needs don’t change, but what if he cleans house
After Ross gained control of the team, for head coach he chose offensive coach, offensive coach, defensive coach. What does he pick next?
are there any really good / experienced special teams coordinators out there? LOL
The other Harbaugh brother was a ST guy before the Ravens made him HC.
I liked Darren Rizzi as Gase’s assistant HC and ST coordinator. I wonder what he is up to now-a-days.
But Harbaugh’s dad was an HC, so he was raised in the mold of a head coach, once he got the job it came natural
What I like about the idea of a ST coach as HC is that they have to deal with the entire roster and work with offensive and defensive players, most often with the “bottom of the roster” they work with basically the entire team, kind of like the HC does.
At the end of they day though it is all about the staff the HC can put together and if successful KEEP.
Back in the day I liked Pete Carmichael Jr as a candidate, but he doesn’t seem to get much interest each year. He has been with the saints since 2006 and OC since 2009.
I wonder if he calls plays.
O, D, ST it doesn’t matter, the HC needs to be a good leader and an innovator, being a good coordinator usually means you know one side of the ball and neglect the other, so you need to have a good staff
I actually really like Vic Fangio. Great defensive mind. I think our personnel on D fits very well with the type of D he likes to run. I think he was unfairly run out of Denver. He had that team in the hunt despite not having a real QB. He would need a good OC if he gets another shot
Even though Sean Payton has controlled the play calling for the most part, the Saints offenses have ranked at or near the top of every major offensive category under Carmichael’s guidance. And let’s not forget the Saints won the Super Bowl during Carmichael’s first year as OC.
As far as hiring a first time HC former coordinator he is as qualified as anyone
We are going to have to face the reality as fans that whoever comes in next is probably going to be the guy until the next guy and not the guy who gets us where we want and need to be.
uhg! most likely true. Makes me want to quit being a fan!
That’s what the odds tell us
I’m honestly a little baffled that so many people have strong opinions about the coaching candidates
You really don’t know how they will do on the job and the odds are probably 80/20 they will be fired within 3 years. Focus on more important things – like whether our logo is a whale or not, or who goes down the slide next.
It gives up something to fixate about other than Tua’s arm strength
Mock drafts are just an exercise for those NOT involved with the organization, so it really is no value anyway
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Exactly, and it is fun for those who are obsessed with it.
I saw that Rock. It did make me laugh.
Ken – If you agree with pulling Tua for W’s then how do you excuse Flores for Game 16 last season? That was the most important game and the team wasn’t close to prepared or competitive
Fitz was not available in that game he really didn’t have a choice. Flores is not without some bumps. He did fail in those big games. But I think the arrow was pointing up and he deserved another year
That would be a good spot for him!
A place with another questionable rookie QB
Poor justin fields….
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, the Dolphins haven’t fielded a top-10 offense in terms of total yards since 1995, which is the longest drought in the NFL by 12 years.
Miami’s next coach has to get that side of the ball figured out while the defense is still capable of elite-level play