GAMEDAY!!! Patriots @ Dolphins

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  1. The Flying Pig says:

    Gesicki is excited about the offense in 2022

  2. sb7mvp says:

    It’s not the firing of Flores alone that makes the front office dysfuncitional, it’s the hiring and firing of Flores, Gase, Philbin and all the other guys we’ve been through in the last 2 decades. How can the revolving door of assistants be a sign of dysfunctionality for Flores, but it’s not when Ross and his subordinates do it?

  3. Tim Knight says:

    Based on some of the reasoning for firing Flores that has been reported, it really wasn’t about his coaching and whatever mistakes he made etc. It was about how he dealt with people within the organization and they were tired of it. It wasn’t about the offense or the season records or anything like that. He turned people off. Other coaches have been fired for similar reasons over the years. A football team is never about one guy.

    • steveccnv says:

      Agree, but whose to say that’s true?

      The dysfunction comes from picking a scapegoat and allowing everything else to continue

      Flores is just 1 wife

  4. mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    January 12, 2022 at 2:45 pm
    I’m not taking sides…
    Same. It is what it is now, and nobody should be taking sides at this point. All we can do as fans are to hope Ross gets it right this time around.

    Personally, I feel it was a major mistake to fire Flores (up yours, Steve Ross)… but that’s like griping about yesterday when our focus should be on today and tomorrow. We’ve got to keep focus on the present and future… as if any of us has a say, LOL.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Right! There are a lot of people who are a part of the team that matter, it’s not about one person. Players still have to prepare themselves for next season. They still have careers and dreams of winning a championship. So everyone has to get back to work and when a new HC is hired and he hires his staff, it will be another football season just a little different.

    • steveccnv says:

      Seems everyone has taken sides, but you can’t just move on, you have to fix the problem, that caused these issues

      • mf13ss says:

        IMO, Steve Ross is the #1 problemo. Unfortunately, we’re at his mercy as fans until he relinquishes ownership.

      • steveccnv says:

        That I can agree with, either spend more time with the team and get involved or stay 100% out.

        I let the coaches and front run things…tear it down, bring in Watson, Harbaugh, no wait don’t bring in Harbaugh I’ll F him up too, and Mich will stink

  5. CavalierKong says:

    Great conversations and different perspectives from everyone here since the Flores firing, guys.

  6. naplesfan2010 says:

    I do not think either Vance Joseph or Bill O’Brien will ever be great HCs. Joseph will never be big enough, and O’Brien will never be smart enough.
    I am also concerned that the job is too big for Daboll. I think he’s peter principled out at OC.
    It was too big for Dan Quinn. His ceiling is DC.
    Same for the DC in TB.

    So please no to all of those.

    I’m excited to think we might get the Shanahan tree (McCormick) or the Aaron Rodgers influence (Hackett) or the Rams guy O’Connell.

    Those are men who can put points on the board.

    Of course my grandmother could put more points on the board than Studesville.

  7. naplesfan2010 says:

    one of my sons posted an alleged tweet by Gesicki that said, “Next year we’ll throw the ball 40 times.”
    cannot verify the source

  8. bookman11 says:

    I really don’t like Ham, but I have to agree 100% with Piggy’s comments on the situation and I think Naples provided an excellent list of reminders of the futilities this season.

    I think I have mentioned several times, I am still pissed at 1-7 and tired of the same old mediocrity. This season was basically lost half way through the season, and the offense never improved despite a 7 game winning streak.

    Even if you take away the behind the scenes stuff that coincidentally is coming out now, I am not surprised he was let go.

    • steveccnv says:

      I’d accept the firing, if we had a better replacement in the wings

      Otherwise it’s just rinse and repeat

      • bookman11 says:

        What do you mean by having a replacement in the wings? You wanted them to hire the replacement first? They are going through the interview process, and maybe already have a strong candidate in mind, but how are they supposed to have that in pace prior to firing?

      • Rockphin says:

        Didn’t Ross get universally panned because he courted Harbough while Sparano was still employed? He should have done that again?????!! ??!!!

        Think of what you are saying.

      • steveccnv says:

        You don’t think they had a deal in place with Flores way before he signed?

        Would’ve done the same with Harbaugh

        Before the season was over Ross and Grier could’ve talked to him to gage his interest, and if they felt they could sign him, then move ahead with the firing

      • bookman11 says:


        Exactly, that is what came to mind for me

      • bookman11 says:

        That approach was used before by Ross and he was vilified for it. They may like one candidate more than another, but I don’t think these things are done in advance of a firing

      • steveccnv says:

        Who cares, the media is always all over our ass, just get one of the 3 coaches I mentioned and the firing will be forgotten qyickly

  9. Rockphin says:

    Mike Gesicki commented: “Next year we throwing the ball 40 times a game”

    (Because he will be playing for the Chiefs. LOL

  10. naplesfan2010 says:

    oops I owe you a beer

  11. naplesfan2010 says:

    If that’s the real Gesicki, it means two things. 1) He and the other skill position guys including Tua were dissatisfied with the game plans (how could they not be) and 2) he is planning on being back in Miami (which I for one would love to see).

  12. Rockphin says:

    Hell, I’ll buy a round for everyone! BEERS ALL AROUND! [_]3 [_]3 [_]3

  13. Ken says:

    My advice is start drinking heavily

  14. naplesfan2010 says:

    About that 40 passes target, that’s about a 2-1 ratio of passes to runs in a normal game. I think that is a good ratio and if we could average 8.5 instead of 6.5 yds per pass, that would give us a chance to average 25-28 ppg, which would win 10-12 games with a top 10 defense.

    I believe in the current trend of setting up the run with the pass. You loosen up the LBs on 1st and 2nd down and then the RB can pop a 8-12 yarder with just a small crease.

  15. naplesfan2010 says:

    LOL at Happy Hour on the blog.
    I can tell we swept the patsies this year.

  16. steveccnv says:

    McDaniel, Pedersen or Harbaugh

    Anyone else and it will be a setback

  17. Tim Knight says:

    The bottom line is Flores is gone and we have to hire a new HC. We can speculate all we want but that’s where we are now. Let’s hope we hire the right guy. That’s all I care about.

  18. The Flying Pig says:

    sb7mvp says:
    January 12, 2022 at 2:59 pm (Edit)
    It’s not the firing of Flores alone that makes the front office dysfuncitional, it’s the hiring and firing of Flores, Gase, Philbin and all the other guys we’ve been through in the last 2 decades. How can the revolving door of assistants be a sign of dysfunctionality for Flores, but it’s not when Ross and his subordinates do it?


    That’s fine

    But does that make us any different from any other team seeking a coach right now. A lot of teams that aren’t looking are just mid-cycle (the jets, the lions)

    This is an nfl story that reaches beyond the Dolphins

    Every team is looking to break the cycle, until they actually break it

    But when you hire your guy. You expect them to build the foundation right away and then build off that, and that’s not what Flores did with the offense

    If the Dolphins hire the right guy, they break that cycle

    But I’m already convinced Flores was not that guy
    Do we stick with him another year to force continuity, or do we make the move now?

    I think that’s the real question at the end of the day

    Yes the franchise is in a re-occurring nightmare but giving Flores another year wasn’t going to get us out of it

  19. The Flying Pig says:

    Wtf is wrong with ham!

  20. steveccnv says:

    The fact that Ross commented about not bringing in Harbaugh leads me to believe he’s talked to him, by saying what he did he has an out this time around

    • mf13ss says:

      To me, Ross was preemptively saying that he didn’t talk Harbaugh out of Michigan… but that Harbaugh wants to go back to the NFL… and that Ross LOVES Harbaugh (to be the next coach of our Phins).

  21. Ken says:

    McDaniel intrigues me but I am worried he is not yet ready for the job. I love the offense in SF but he doesn’t call the plays. I would prefer he have some play calling experience before he becomes an HC

  22. naplesfan2010 says:

    I think Harbaugh is mentally unstable. He punched Jim Kelly for a comment. He got run off SF in almost the same way that Flores got run off from Miami.

  23. wyoming85 says:

    You folks are fricken crazy!
    WTH is wrong with you guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Don’t like ham??? WTF!!!!!!!!

  24. Rockphin says:

    I don’t think play calling responsibility is important in a HC. There are only a few that keep that responsibility and not allow their coordinators to do it. I think organization, a clear vision of what you want to accomplish and strong leadership skills are the main requirements for a HC.

    • Ken says:

      But I think it is important to have had the experience of it because even though he will unlikely call the plays ultimately he bears the responsibility for the play calls

      • Rockphin says:

        I think understanding the strengths and weaknesses of your subordinates (and being able to identify those characteristics in others) is more important than having called plays, especially if he allows his coordinators to do so.

        Pete Carmichael Jr. is a good example. They guys knows football, knows offense inside and out, builds the game plans week after week and has been successful as an OC for 10+ years at NO. Never called plays.

        I don’t think he WANTS to be anything other than Peyton’s OC though.

  25. naplesfan2010 says:

    I worry about McDaniel (the SF one) not being ready, but the Shanahan playbook is very tantalizing after playing out of the Brooklyn Middle School B team book the past 3 years.

  26. mf13ss says:

  27. steveccnv says:

    Would think, if you wanted to be the next HC of the Fins you’d better be on board with Tua, or at least make Grier think you are

  28. sb7mvp says:

    I’m just giving a different perspective or playing a little devil’s advocate and offering discussion. I’m not really disagreeing with what you are saying because I agree somewhat, but you can’t be surprised with people’s reactions to the news. It was a glacial pace, but we seemed to be headed in the right direction and the players still seemed to be on board. I understand firing him, but I would also understand keeping him around. He was getting it done to an extent.
    Obviously management wanted someone else, but the expectation for the next guy is going to be high. There’s no reshaping the roster in their image. They’re gonna have to tweak what needs tweaking on the offense/ special teams and get someone to maintain the high level of defensive play. Understandbly fans don’t want to see another wasted 3-4 years of a coaching carousel.

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      nor does 110 year old Steven Ross.

    • steveccnv says:

      Interesting point

      Makes me think why in the hell would you allow a 1st time coach and a Jr GM build it from scratch

      You want that done, should’ve gone with experience

    • Tim Knight says:

      There are a lot of good players on our team for a new HC to work with. It’s not like we’re void of talent and we still have good draft capital and a very good cap situation moving forward. Part of being a good HC is working with what you have and not just being in love with your system over talent.

      • sb7mvp says:

        Right, but most coaches want to have their guys win or lose. Most coaches are going to want their own QB and system on offense and defense.
        It’s not like we’ve been void of talent over the past 2 decades to where we couldn’t make it into the playoffs. Every new coach wanted to do things their way instead of looking at what they had, tailoring the schemes, and then gradually improving over time.

  29. naplesfan2010 says:

    This roster is different from most after a HC firing. We have some very real talent. The roster is not in disarray here, nor is it a tired worn out one. We have had some very good recent drafts.

  30. naplesfan2010 says:

    Which is why I disagree with Florio and Simms (per usual).
    Any guy should want to come to Miami to work with Tua, Waddle, Phillips, Wilkins, Holland, Howard, Gesicki, Smythe, Raekwon Davis, Van Ginkel, Baker, Ogbah, etc. and our coming draft picks.
    That’s a really good nucleus.

  31. The Flying Pig says:

    Come to terms with it now ladies and gentlemen

  32. steveccnv says:

    Who decided the hierarchy of an NFL team should have GM above the coach?

    To me that’s backwards, let the HC hire the guy he wants as GM, if he doesn’t get him the type of players he wants fire him, and HC should have final say

    If that were the current structure I’d be ok with Grier staying

    • Tim Knight says:

      Head Coaches with a great track record get that power. But not coaches who haven’t proven anything. Shula was the biggest person in the building, the same with Belichick etc.

      A GM is the one that oversees the entire structure of the football organization. He hires a coach that he believes has what it takes to coach players and win on the field. The GM deals with all the personnel issues to give the coach what he needs to succeed. The HC really doesn’t have time for that most of the time because they’re focused on the next opponent and how to win the next game. They always say they’re burning the midnight oil watching film etc. How can they also handle all of the other stuff that goes on? There isn’t enough time in a day.

      It really is two different jobs. They work together for the common goal.

      • steveccnv says:

        I know some HCs have that power, that’s not what I’m talking about

        In general the HC should have final say, if you hire a Jr HC and want to initially remove final say, that’s one thing, but it shouldn’t be the norm

        Didn’t say the HC should also be the GM, but he should have the power to veto

    • New Age says:

      From what I understand, coaches usually have a lot of say in what players are gotten. It’s the only real way to hold bad coaches accountable for failure. While the HC can hire the GM, the GM should have some control over drafting, player acquisition, etc because it puts too much on the HC otherwise. The HC has to manage egos, find good coaches, make sure they are teaching properly, communicate their vision of the team and the weekly plan against the opponent, oversee everything on gameday including time outs. communicate with the GM on FAs and needs, etc, etc. It’s a lot of work.

      The HC is really there to sell his vision to ownership and ensure it is implemented. No one asks the GM what his offensive philosophy is. No one cares. With all that management, HCs really shouldn’t take on things that are beyond their scope of responsibility. The worst GMs are usually coaches but everyone in Belichick’s tree thinks they are the next Belichick. Sorry, fellas, but you aren’t. Stay in your lane.

  33. steveccnv says:

    Omar fighting back against what Barry said

    He doesn’t believe there was a power struggle and he doesn’t believe Grier backstabbing Flores by going to Ross

    Not sure what to believe, except don’t take either side as fact

    • Ken says:

      Barry bs Omar Barry wins every time in my book

      • steveccnv says:

        You have the right to do that, but it sure puts things you say in perspective now

        To you it doesn’t matter what Omar says, if Barry says the opposite…

        I start out believing no one, then listen to what is said and form an opinion, if either could be true I’ll leave it at either could be wrong too

    • Tim Knight says:

      Grier didn’t back stab Flores, Flores alienated himself from a lot of people. Why would Flores being looking to fire a media dept. guy? That’s not his job. Do your job coaching the football team. Nothing else.

  34. naplesfan2010 says:

    I agree that our 2 biggest needs are RT and ILB. Draft or FA.
    Also need RB. Although with Lindsay and Johnson on the roster, it is less of a hole.
    And another speed deep WR would be nice.
    If you want a OG, we can get one in FA probably.

  35. naplesfan2010 says:

    I see we have also asked for an interview with Kellen Moore. Does he call plays for Dallas and is he ready for the Big Chair?

  36. wyoming85 says:

    • steveccnv says:

      It’s nice they were recognized, but Phillips could’ve made it too, the fact that he didn’t, just means he was doing his job at the end of the season instead of chasing stats

      • naplesfan2010 says:

        true and he did recover that fumble, as he had beaten his man.
        I think his slow start (maybe because of the team’s slow start) hurt his chances to be all rookie.

        I’m not worried about him. I think he’s gonna get better and better.

  37. Tim Knight says:

    Steve, I don’t think the GM vs. HC is the issue and specifically not what happened in Miami.

    The owner hires a GM to run his football program. GM hires a HC to coach the players in practice and get them ready to play games because that is what he is, a coach. It’s two different jobs. Flores wasn’t hired to have full power and final say on everything. He should have taken his own advice that he gives his players, just do your job.

    Do you think while he was trying to dig the team out of the 1-7 start he was the one finding Duke Johnson and Phillip Lindsay to help him along the way? That’s Grier’s job. To give his coach what he needs to be successful. In the offseason they can work together on personnel and they usually do. Does Grier go down on the field and tell Flores to stop blitzing so much or to run more etc.? I doubt it. The HC should focus on his job which is coaching the players on the field. That in itself is a full time job.

    In any situation, if your GM and HC can’t work together that’s a problem. That’s when the owner has to step in. It’s his team. If you were the owner, wouldn’t you?

    • Brian in NY says:

      It’s also a problem that Ross isn’t actually around. He spends most of his time in NY.

      • Tim Knight says:

        He’s got people like Bruce Beal (rumored to be the next owner), Tom Garfinkel (vice chairman, president and CEO of the Miami Dolphins and Hard Rock Stadium) and GM Chris Grier running operations. They report to Ross who is 81. Ross doesn’t need to be a field general. However you feel about it, Ross doesn’t like dissension within his business. I did not think Flores was like that, but that’s why he got fired. Tried to go too high too soon. There were lots of other people higher up the ladder than him and he lost that power push.

        Flores getting fired is more about him than anyone else. Maybe the Bears or some other team will give him the power he seeks. If he gets it, good for him. Now it’s all on him.

      • Brian in NY says:

        I get that, but if I was an owner I would want to be around more. Not necessarily to be a field general, but to keep an eye on things. This isn’t the first time there has been dissension among the ranks here.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Brian, there are plenty of top people around the building knowing what’s going on. That’s why Flores was fired. Ross got the intel. It’s pretty easy to communicate these days without being there. He is 81 years old.

        This had to be a 2021 thing or he would have been gone last year. Maybe it started last year and got too much this year and the powers that be said enough. Coach the team, the rest is not your job. Like I said earlier why was he lobbying for a media person to be fired? That’s not your job. What does that have to do with winning your division first?

        It sounds to me like Flores tried to bite off more than he could chew. He should have just coached. He’s a good coach. Win big and then we’ll talk about how big you are in the building.

        I mean Jim Harbaugh had the 49ers as a top team and went to a Super Bowl against his brother and lost. Got fired a couple of years later because he grated on people. What was firing Doug Pederson all about in Philly? He won you your first Super Bowl you silly cunts!!! LOL

  38. Tim Knight says:

    Naples, Phillips missed most of the offseason with a leg injury. So he was getting his reps on the fly in games. We watched him progress as the season went on and I think we have a really good player in him.

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      totally agree, as I said above

    • Tim Knight says:

      I was saying I don’t think it was because of the team’s slow start, it was because of his own slow start due to injury, he didn’t get the reps to get game ready. We all saw him being fed a few responsibilities along the way until he could handle all the things we needed him to do. He progressed really quickly. I see big things from him in the future.

  39. wyoming85 says:

    I wonder if he’s draft eligible???

  40. mf13ss says:

  41. Tim Knight says:

    We still have the same personnel concerns today that we had all season. Whoever the new HC is, we still need to upgrade OL, RB and WR. We need more proven vets on the OL, a jolt of new talent in the RB room and more speed at WR. Nobody on this team breaks a big play and takes it to the house. Waddle can do that but he was quickly the player opponents said, don’t let him beat us. Nobody else scares us.

    Now let’s talk about Tua. What QB would thrive with the offense we put out there this year? Some more plays and points here or there. Maybe a little better than Tua. Okay. It’s still not good enough. We all watched it.

    Our defense can compete with anyone if the offense does it’s part. Sometimes you have to win 38-35. We’re not good enough for that yet. The defense keeps teams under 20 points a bunch and when we do score 30+ it’s because the defense/STs chipped in.

    Load up on offense and give Tua every chance to prove himself. If he fails in his 3rd season, we have two 1st rd picks in 2023. The draft capital and cap situation we have is pretty damn good. But let’s bash on Grier. He’s made his mistakes too but who doesn’t? My biggest problem with his 2021 season was too young on the OL at the same time. Okay he fucked up! Can he correct it? We shall see.

  42. naplesfan2010 says:

    Tim, you are correct.
    it is true that our rush yards given up improved. I thought when I last saw it, that it was much worse than that.
    It seems that our pass yards against got worse.
    I still think we need an upgrade from Roberts, although Riley had a really good PFF rating against NE.

  43. naplesfan2010 says:

    You all probably already know this, but …
    Miami’s top 5 PFF grades for the season:
    Sieler 84.8, Holland 84.6, Wilkins 83.3, Waddle 78.3, Ogbah 77

  44. manitobafinfan says:

    I am beginning to possibly understand why Caldwell didn’t stay longer than a week ….

  45. Mike E. says:

    Roberts is like an old school LB. He’s great if the play is right in front of him. He’s not great going sideline to sideline or chasing down plays. I’d like an upgrade if possible. It’s more of a luxury want than a need want though.

    • Tim Knight says:

      He comes off the field quite a bit in certain situations when we go heavy DB. Sometimes the other team makes a play.

      I feel like sometimes fans want perfect players in all phases. Never gonna happen. 😉

  46. wyoming85 says:

    Devin Lloyd just declared for the draft!
    So there’s one

  47. Tim Knight says:

    On offense we need another player that makes opponents not focus on just Waddle. To me that will be another WR and/or a special RB. We have to open up the field. We always seem bottled up.

    • mf13ss says:

      I agree, but let’s not ignore what Gesicki has done to clear out under-routes for Waddle by stretching the seam.

      Again, agreed. Let’s get that grinder RB AND another complement for Waddle at the WR position… while getting this O-Line right.

      • Tim Knight says:

        To me Waddle and Gesicki were our our best playmakers on offense. But it was surrounded by a handful of other guys playing for their careers. Parker is next up and he has lost a step, but he can still make some plays – when he plays.

        Hollins is what we all know he is, an excellent football player who can play a big WR role when you need him. He’s an Ace STs player and he will block on run plays.

        We need more talent on offense. Is there anyone who thinks the Dolphins have really good RBs?

      • steveccnv says:

        No and you really don’t need really good RBs, just adequate ones

  48. wyoming85 says:

  49. Tim Knight says:

    I don’t like doing this but man all season long I saw the same stuff.
    LT Eichenberg C
    LG Austin Jackson D
    C (4 different guys) C-
    RG Robert Hunt C
    RT Jesse Davis D

    It was bad.

    • Mike E. says:

      On WQAM, The two fucknuts, Joe Rose and Zach Krants were just gobbling on Justin Herbert’s nads this morning, and most morning’s really. They seem to blame Tua for everything, and then someone on the text line brings up that both teams and their QB’s will be home dutring the playoffs and that Tua is 13-8 as a starter and Herbert is 15-17. The third guy on the show “Hollywood” something says after that text that it’s not Herbert’s fault that his team is bad. These statements kinda kill me. Is it Tua’s fault that his O-line sucks and is the absolute worst in football? Brissett was sacked 19 times in 4.5 games and Tua was sacked 20 in 13 games. How many times would Brissett have been sacked if he played the whole season? How many wins would the Dolphins have? These are the things that drive me fucking crazy! Tua did about as well as anyone could do under the conditions. No fucking run game most of the season until Duke got there, and hardly ever the same receivers in the game, every other week another guy was out. Rose and Krantz make all the excuses for Herbert because he throws a great deep ball, but he has a much better O-line, receivers and RB’s. I hate Joe Rose, he’s a total doucher, you’d think he’d know better. Or maybe he just likes stirring shit up for his show, who knows?

      • Ken says:

        I truly believe if Tua was healthy for the starts he missed we would have won at least one of those games and that is the difference between being in the playoffs and not

      • Tim Knight says:

        They contradict themselves. I find that funny.

        My favorite is Tua can’t throw deep even though the OL is bad and won’t allow that to happen. LOL

      • Tim Knight says:


      • steveccnv says:

        He can’t throw the deep ball, because of his weak arm, he doesn’t throw many, because the OL doesn’t give him enough time

        How is that a contradiction?

        He gets out of the pocket at times and chooses to throw a higher percentage med range pass, instead of the deep ball

        I actually get excited, when he gets out of the pocket, because good things usually happen

  50. steveccnv says:

    They’re all over Herbert, because he’s dangerous, the same way Allen is

    How many times did you think the Chargers were done and he kept bringing them back, he did it plenty against KC both games, didn’t see any other of his games

    Tua may have the better career, but man I’d like to have Herbert

  51. steveccnv says:

    Tim Knight says:
    January 12, 2022 at 5:33 pm
    Steve, I don’t think the GM vs. HC is the issue and specifically not what happened in Miami.

    Was just making a general statement, find the hierarchy odd that’s all

  52. Tim Knight says:

    Steve, Tua threw deep at Alabama. The field is no different. It’s not about his arm. The plays aren’t there in Miami in the NFL. When Brissett played the moment he got the snap he rolled out to trying to make a play. The blocking is sub par.

    People say what about when Fitz was playing? Yeah what about it? He ran more than he should have. Our offense becomes sandlot because of a jail break defense coming after us. No QB can play well doing that. Maybe Mahomes or Rodgers, that’s about it. Brady is a different thing all together. The stars seem to align for him when it has to. LOL

    When I watch football games, if a QB has no time it’s usually a tough day.

  53. Mike E. says:

    To continue from last night’s post regarding Herbert and Tua. Herbert has 2 WR’s that have put up over 1000 yards receiving in their careers BEFORE he arrived (Allen, Williams). Dolphins have 1 but he was out every other game and when he was in, he was maybe healthy for half of those. The Chargers have a top 10 O-line. All these things factor in to the QB’s success. Chargers Top 10 O-line, Dolphins Worst in the NFL. Chargers RB’s averaged 4.2 YPC for 1464 yards. Dolphins RB’s for 1335 averaging 3.6 YPC. We all know Herbert has a stronger arm, maybe one of the best in the NFL, but there are other skills that make a Qb a good QB, and I think Tua has a lot of the intangibles. Joe Rose played football, you’d think he know better that just to look at what Herbert has done and what Tua has done without comparing the quality of the O-line, receivers and RB’s too.

    • Mike E. says:

      He played most of the season with a revolving door of receivers such as Albert Wilson, Isaiah Ford, Mack Hollins, and Preston Williams. Not one of those receivers would crack the lineup for the Chargers and none of our RB’s would either. You want to compare, make it a fair assessment Joe Rose, or STFU!

    • steveccnv says:

      Herbert passes the eye test, wowing a lot, that’s what they’re reacting to, not that you don’t know that

      • Mike E. says:

        Steve – no question, but Joe Rose isn’t a guy who never played pro football like me and you, he’s been there, and should know better than to just look at the eye candy.

  54. sb7mvp says:

    The problem with talking about QBs is that most people have an Elite or bust mentality. There’s no room for the solid franchise guy in the discussion. There are plenty of busts. There are only few elites or they wouldn’t be elite.
    I’ve watched Herbert play. He makes a lot of poor decisions and throws that Tua gets crucified for. His stats might say otherwise, but he’s not light years ahead of Tua. He’s got more natual physical talent and he’s surrounded by better talent and offensive coaching. He gets his team in holes and has to crawl out of them. Then people want to look at his stat line.
    That being said, I wanted Herbert over Tua, but Herbert isn’t on our team. How would he have looked on this team anyway? We only have Tua and there’s no better alternative right now, so you support Tua and let him be the guy until the opportunity comes to grab someone else. Let him be the Alex Smith (although I think Tua is better) until you can grab a Mahomes. It’s a team sport. Don’t sabotage the most important position on the team when he’s good enough to get you wins now despite having so little help on offense.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Yeah I agree

      Just stick it out with your guys. If you found a solid qb who’s not Peyton Manning that’s a luxury. Maybe later you find that Peyton Manning

      Generally speaking there’s been too much turnover on this team. I would like to see a lot more players play out their contracts without having to prove they are HOFers or otherwise extendable

      What if at best a Tua is a game manager? Let him manage and keep bringing in more talent around a stable roster

    • steveccnv says:

      The upside for Herbert is unlimited, for Tua there’s some limitations

      Does it really matter, if you throw a shitty inc pass on 2nd down, if you can make up for it on 3rd or 4th

      • sb7mvp says:

        Nobody has unlimited upside. Both have limitations, just in different areas. Besides, the upside wasn’t the point of my post. It was about supporting the guy we have and building a team. Does it really matter if you have a guy who can throw over 30 TDs a season if you can’t make it into the playoffs?

  55. The Flying Pig says:

  56. bailbondmike says:

    Devin Lloyd just declared for the draft!
    Wyoming, I am not sure where I am with Lloyd. He is projected to run a 4.7 which, IMO is kind of slow for an OLB. All the sites I have read up on question his athletic ability.

    The good stuff is he has an explosive burst when rushing and hear that his football IQ and smarts makes up what he lacks physically.

    One site said he has the highest football IQ of any LB in the coming draft.

  57. Ken says:

    This whole Tua vs Herbert discussion put forward by our beat writers is stupid. At the point when they were drafted there was no clear choice. The way I recall it Herbert had better physical skills but people thought there was bigger bust potential with him coming out of the PAC-12 and some accuracy issues to boot. I personally thought Herbert had the highest ceiling of the 3 top QBs. Herbert was more ready than just about everyone thought. He is the better QB and yes we should have drafted him. That said it doesn’t mean Tua was a bad pick and or will not be a good QB. Tua is doing just fine. He is winning more than he is losing and he has the least tools to work with. I am tired of the comparisons. Tua is fine and he is our QB

  58. Randy says:

    I think Herbert has gotten overhyped. I’ve watched him about 4 times, and he has looked like any other young QB, but he has been able to cover up inefficiencies with a good arm. Still, he tends to stare down receivers and take first reads just as much as any young QB. He gets bailed out often.
    They played the Vikes, so I went into kind of a deep dive on him and heard a lot from the local media/football guys. There are plenty of warts. I don’t think he’s head and shoulders above any of the handful of top young QBs. Tua isn’t as physically talented, but I think he has a better mind for seeing the game.

  59. bookman11 says:

    sb7mvp says:
    January 13, 2022 at 8:05 am
    The problem with talking about QBs is that most people have an Elite or bust mentality. There’s no room for the solid franchise guy in the discussion. There are plenty of busts. There are only few elites or they wouldn’t be elite.
    I’ve watched Herbert play. He makes a lot of poor decisions and throws that Tua gets crucified for. His stats might say otherwise, but he’s not light years ahead of Tua. He’s got more natual physical talent and he’s surrounded by better talent and offensive coaching. He gets his team in holes and has to crawl out of them. Then people want to look at his stat line.
    That being said, I wanted Herbert over Tua, but Herbert isn’t on our team. How would he have looked on this team anyway? We only have Tua and there’s no better alternative right now, so you support Tua and let him be the guy until the opportunity comes to grab someone else. Let him be the Alex Smith (although I think Tua is better) until you can grab a Mahomes. It’s a team sport. Don’t sabotage the most important position on the team when he’s good enough to get you wins now despite having so little help on offense.

    Thanks sb7mvp, this was a great post. I, for one, was one that was regretting that we did not draft Herbert, but you are right, Tua is our QB and we should build around him and his skill set until he proves himself, or something better comes along. I will stop comparing him to Herbert moving forward and divert my energy on paying attention to what we are doing to improve the coaching and talent on offense surrounding our QB

    • sb7mvp says:

      Thanks Bookman. I guess the over the top discussions spurned by media outlets just gets to me. I like listening to voices of reason and guys who can see both the pros and cons, while being grounded in reality. I would like our front office to take a practical approach to this team instead of chasing the next big thing.

  60. Ken says:

    Beer 🍺 for SB7

  61. steveccnv says:

    If we had Herbert we hear all the negative things said about him, that we really don’t now, comes with the grass is greener…

    Tua just needs a little help

    Herbert is more dynamic, like Marino, but with that comes bad games or avg games more frequently

    Tua showed how consistent he can be during the winning streak

    Do you want the QB that gives you a chance any game against the best teams or the QB that’s going to put you in position to win every week, but may need a little help

  62. bailbondmike says:

    One guy who interests me at ILB is Channing Tindall, UGA, 6’2 230, 4.44 projected.

    Though, I am not sure what it is with him. His first 3 years he didn’t crack the starting LB unit and didn’t start every game as a Senior. He did start vs Alabama in the championship. With that said, UGA has the best LB group in the country but still leaves me that question. Is it his football IQ? I don’t know. He is projected to be drafted late 2nd to 3rd round. He had 67 tackles with 5.5 sacks and 1 FF this season.

  63. steveccnv says:

    And make no mistake, one man’s trash definitely is another man’s treasure. The Bears moved quickly to bring in Flores for an interview, and I suspect he will garner more significant interest in short order.

    When the other guys at the party are lining up to dance with your ex, maybe the problem was you and not her.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      The bears actually have interviews set up witH Daboll, Pederson, leftwich, Quinn, Todd Bowles, bills dc, Colts dc, Packers oc, and Flores

      They scheduled a bunch of interviews. Let’s not assume Flores is going to get that job.

      And FYI – it’s the only interview he has lined up

    • pheloniusphish says:

      Other guys at the party wanting to dance with your ex might mean she’s a ho.

  64. Ken says:

    steveccnv says:
    January 13, 2022 at 10:05 am (Edit)
    At this stage Herbert can carry a team on his back, Tua not so much
    Not sure what that means or what you base that on. The only thing you can say right now is Herbert is more physically talented but that doesn’t mean about carrying a team. For example Jeff George was one of the most physically gifted QBs of his time. Joe Montana was not. One carried his team the other did not.

    • steveccnv says:

      I don’t hear any chatter about the Chargers wanting to replace Herbert, why do you think that is?

      Quit the naive game Ken

      • Ken says:

        Different question and I agree Herbert is the better QB but right now Tua or Herbert have carried their teams anywhere. Just because someone passes the eye candy test doesn’t make them the better QB. And you call me naive

      • steveccnv says:

        Just because someone passes the eye candy test doesn’t make them the better QB.

        Quit the BS Ken, you admitted in your same post Herbert is the better QB now

      • Ken says:

        I think you missed the point of my post

  65. steveccnv says:

    I like Tua, and think he’s got a decent shot at winning an SB, he’s very skilled in a lot of areas, not ready to give up on him

    With that said, let’s not pretend right now we’d rather have him over Herbert

  66. steveccnv says:

    Funny shit

  67. pheloniusphish says:

    Miami rated second best team for a new coach.

  68. ukfinfan says:

    Thank goodness it’s warm in Miami. Herd may not approve this message? 🤔😉😂

  69. mf13ss says:

    • The Flying Pig says:

      He’s like a different player this year

      He wasn’t horrible before but clearly he has benefited from the change to a hybrid type of player

      Between him and Deebo, it’s like a new position

  70. mf13ss says:

    LOL, this guy is a breath of fresh air! Not sure I want him to become our next HC, but he’s extremely charismatic.

  71. Rockphin says:

    Who the hell is CeeFlashPee??????? I hate when twitter users dispense with peoples real fn names!!

    • Ken says:

      Cordarelle Patterson. One of M13’s long time man crushes

    • bookman11 says:

      LOL!! Rock, it is simple, can’t you just look at the logo, determine it is the Falcons, then then deduce that he is wearing 84, then look up an Atlanta Falcon’s roster and see who wears #84… easy……

      • Rockphin says:

        Too Funny Bookman! A simpler way is to click on the @ address and it will take you to twitter where his page has his whole name shown. I just wasn’t twitter savvy enough to realize that until after I posted. I should have known because he has been MF’s man crush since his college days.

      • bookman11 says:

        I knew who he was, but not because of his Twitter “name”, I thought your comment was hilarious

  72. Rockphin says:

  73. The Flying Pig says:

    Probably doesn’t mean anything
    But here it is

  74. Rockphin says:

    Come on Doug Pederson!

    and coming around the corner it’s Brian Daboll, followed by Mike McDaniel then Doug Pederson….Wait there’s some movement happening … it seems the equipment manager of the Saskatchewan Roughriders has moved up in the pack and is threatening the lead, their nose and nose folks and it’s a photo finish!!

    Congratulations to Jean Petqua Motsif the new head coach of the Miami Dolphins and incredible burst at the end put him over the the top!

  75. The Flying Pig says:

  76. mf13ss says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    January 13, 2022 at 3:20 pm
    He’s like a different player this year

    He wasn’t horrible before but clearly he has benefited from the change to a hybrid type of player

    Between him and Deebo, it’s like a new position
    I think Atlanta was the first team to realize that Cordarrelle was, in fact, an Offensive Weapon (OW). Meaning, he wasn’t a traditional (or steady) WR or traditional RB, but he has so much talent that he could be utilized in a myriad of ways.

    That was my hope for Dri Archer, but he chose to step away from the game instead.

  77. naplesfan2010 says:

    Anyone seen any of Mike McDonald interviews? wow he’s sharp.
    Also these guys call him a genius.

    I want this guy to be our next HC.

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      oops I owe you a beer.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I actually wouldn’t mind even if it may seem somewhat early in his career. He seems to really understand the game. It’s not just the running game and the offense, to be a good offensive coach you need to understand defense too. That’s how you attack on offense, knowing what the defense is doing.

  78. Ken says:

    Not sure if this accurate or not:

  79. sb7mvp says:

    I joked about Flores going to Houston right after he was fired, but the GM is Nick Caserio who was with New England for two decades.

  80. The Flying Pig says:

    2 interviews are scheduled for Sunday

  81. pheloniusphish says:

    If there are any get Watson proponents left….

    • Tim Knight says:

      Ugh! I’m really tired of Tua getting so much crap from everywhere. Can the guy develop like other young QBs without all the nonsense. He’s so bad he helped the team go 8-1 down the stretch. He beat the Pats and Jones twice too.

  82. The Flying Pig says:

    This is 100% correct

    Keep your eye on this situation

  83. The Flying Pig says:

    This is embarsssing

  84. Mike E. says:

    I don’t trust Lombardi. He’s a huge Tua detractor in his own right. He was on the Joe Rose show on WQAM spewing his Tua hate all the time because Joe Rose hates Tua

  85. CavalierKong says:

    I’m rewatching Patriots2, and getting all pissed off again that they called for a review of the spot when he was literally half a yard short, lol.

    The bias is so so obvious I’m amazed they didn’t just give them the 1st down.

  86. CavalierKong says:

    I know this was talked about earlier, but I just can’t believe how lame the walk back is…


    “I remember I said there was commentary between the head coach and Tua during the season and I wouldn’t reveal what the conversation was. Well, the conversation was, ‘Hey, if I’d have (known) you were going to be this bad, I would have picked Mac Jones.’

    “I misspoke on the pod–and those were my words for Flores, not his.”

  87. ukfinfan says:

    Anyone who can pull the Bus down like this (as if he were a charging bull) deserves to get in. Make it so! LONG overdue.

  88. ukfinfan says:

    Then and now.


  89. sb7mvp says:

    If Calvin Munson isn’t a Dolphin next year, we riot.

  90. Mike E. says:

    NEW BLOG UP!!!

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