GAMEDAY!!! Patriots @ Dolphins

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  1. The Flying Pig says:

    Honestly I’m hoping the bears hire Flores so we can all watch and see what happens with Justin Fields and what her Flores sets him back or whether this narrative following Flores firing is bullshit

  2. The Flying Pig says:

    We all witnessed Gase make the same mistakes for the jests he did in Miami and we all knew it was coming….

  3. bailbondmike says:

    “Bieniemy reportedly already had one interview request, from the Denver Broncos.”

    Bieniemy is a Colorado guy. Played at University of Colorado and started his coaching career ass RB Coach there and returned to be OC there before becoming RB Coach at KC.

    If this happens, Watson to Denver would become a huge discussion. It was said that before the Watson drama went down in Houston, Watson wanted Bieniemy to come there as OC.

    • Ken says:

      As long as he doesn’t come to Miami

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Watson to Denver is picking up steam for a lot of reasons

    • steveccnv says:

      Would make sense, if the goal was to get him out of KC

      When I see Bienemy the lights just don’t seem to be on, Flores gets that look at times, like the job is too big for him

      For example he’s a gambler, runs a lot of trick plays, but doesn’t seem to know the inherent risk, see Jax game

      Also he seems to be clueless the effect time outs have, when taken on D

      • Ken says:

        His offenses have done really well. His name always comes up on the short list for HC candidates but he never seems to get the job. He must not interview well

  4. bailbondmike says:

    I think Flores will do well in Chicago if he is hired there. Bears fans love their defense.

  5. sb7mvp says:

    I hope Flores does go to the NFC.

  6. steveccnv says:

    Flores was loved by his players, so they’ll go thru a wall for him, but that alone isn’t enough to be a good HC

    He may figure it out some day, but something is missing

  7. The Flying Pig says:

    Is everyone excited about the new Chicago dynamic duo

  8. The Flying Pig says:

  9. steveccnv says:

    Last night’s game with 5:13 left GA up 1 a D player on Bama got hurt

    They stopped the clock and moved the play clock back to 40 seconds

    Once the clock was restarted GA was already lined up and ran a play with 23 seconds left on the play clock and a running game clock, WTF

    They call these guys experts in their field, so why is it, that I can see a clear error they were clueless to?

    I watch for stuff like that like it’s matter of fact and didn’t go out of my way or find a needle in a haystack, it should be a given

  10. Brian in NY says:

    All I need to know about the Flores firing is all of my family/friends that are Jets, Bills, and Patriots fans questioned why we would do that, and are happy about it.

  11. wyoming85 says:

    I take it back! I wouldn’t want to do that to Flores!

  12. The Flying Pig says:

  13. sb7mvp says:

    I haven’t seen where we’ve met the Rooney rule yet.

  14. wyoming85 says:

  15. steveccnv says:

    It’s not going to matter who our coach is until we fix the power structure

    Ross fired Flores because of this, yet he can’t see that he’s the problem with the power structure

  16. ukfinfan says:

    Spot of light relief away from football

  17. New Age says:

    I heard there’s a Meyer dude still looking for a job….

  18. bailbondmike says:

    If you watched the game last night, what players impressed you last night?

  19. Rockphin says:

    Mike McDaniel looks like the guy behind the computer at the dispensary. “So Sour Diesel has more of a body stone, while Northern Lights is more of a heady high…” “would you like that in Pre-rolled or flower?”

  20. Tim Knight says:

    I like the idea of a run game guru with Mike McDaniel. LOL at the comments from Rock and Piggy.

  21. bailbondmike says:

    Geno Smith, the Seahawks’ backup quarterback the past three years, was arrested Monday on suspicion of driving under the influence and then released, according to King County District Court records.

    Smith was arrested at 2:10 a.m. and released at 9:27 a.m., documents show.

    No other details were immediately available.

  22. ukfinfan says:

    Piggy – we thank you for your service. 4 genes were taken out of the pig heart to stop it growing too large and 6 human added to stop it being rejected.

  23. wyoming85 says:

    I’m sometimes amazed at the lack of understanding how a “power Structure” works

  24. bailbondmike says:

    Piggy, James Cook is a weapon. Though, he would only be a piece of a RB room and mainly a 3rd down or long down and distance guy. Outside of his 67 yard run, he had 5 carries for 10 yards, He is light for 5’11 at 190 but has better vision than Gaskin.

    I was mainly looking at players on D. The ones who stood out to me on Alabama were LB Christian Harris with 3 sacks and DT Mathis. Mathis was stuffing the middle the whole first half. Then hurt his shoulder and left game in second half and UGA started having success running.

    On UGA, the speed of LB’s Nakobe Dean and Nolan Smith really showed up. Dean’s small size makes me nervous though. Smith is much bigger at 6’3 235. ILB Channing Tindall also showed his speed on his sack in the first half. DT’s Jordan Davis and Devonte Wyatt would be a nice addition to our DT rotation. Lastly, SS Lewis Cine seemed to be everywhere last night making tackles. He looks like a fearless heavy hitter.

    Some of these guys are juniors so it will be interesting to see who stays and who declares for the draft.

    UGA TE Bowers will be a 1st round pick in 2 years.

  25. bookman11 says:


    I knew nothing about the QB from Georgia prior to last night, but I found the story behind his journey to get where he is fascinating. To me, that is one of the cool things about college football still. Sometimes it is not about viewing them as to how they would be in the NFL as much as it is to enjoy the moment for the young man just sit back and watch the story develop on the field.

  26. bailbondmike says:

    “Brandon Scherff looking for long-term deal from Washington: ‘I hope I can end my career here'”

  27. Tim Knight says:

    It looks like we’re targeting offensive minded coaches

  28. Tim Knight says:

    Johnny O’Reilly hoisted his beer and said, “Here’s to spending the rest of my life, between the legs of my wife!” That won him the top prize at the pub for the best toast of the night!
    He went home and told his wife, “Mary, I won the prize for the Best toast of the night.” She said, “Aye, did ye now. And what was your toast?” Johnny said, “Here’s to spending the rest of my life, sitting in church beside me wife.” “Oh, that is very nice indeed, Johnny!” Mary said.
    The next day Mary ran into one of Johnny’s drinking buddies on the street corner. The man chuckled leeringly and said, “Johnny won the prize the other night at the pub with a toast about you, Mary.”
    She said, “Aye, he told me, and I was a bit surprised myself. You know, he’s only been there twice in the last four years. Once he fell asleep, and the other time I had to pull him by the ears to make him come.”

  29. steveccnv says:

    Was glad to read in the Jackson piece Flores was a prick

    When I heard of the firing yesterday my biggest concern was the effect it would have on the players, seems only Needham and Ferguson liked him

    • Ken says:

      I didn’t get the impression that the players didn’t necessarily like him but that he was making a power play against Grier and lost. Also seems like he wants to make himself in the image of Bellicheck but doesn’t yet have the resume to pull that off

  30. sb7mvp says:

    Seems like the Flores attitude narrative was overblown. If he were that bad, wouldn’t have the players revolted or quit on him at some point? They had every opportunity to do so this year. Lots of SB winning coaches didn’t have winning personalities.

    • Tim Knight says:

      It wasn’t mainly with the players but others within the organization. He wanted more power and control over things and people in the building were tired of it.

      As a player even if you don’t necessarily like the coach, you still have to have pride in your game and do your job. Bad tape is on your resume.

      • sb7mvp says:

        Right, but that’s the side of the story that the organization is putting out. Seems like he didn’t get along with 1 or 2 guys within management and maybe their egos got in the way too. Since they were on top, they got to stay instead of the guy trying to get results on the field.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Well Jackson’s article was based on talking to a lot of people. Whatever it truly was they fired him.

    • steveccnv says:

      Probably somewhere between, but belicheat is quite an asshole, yet some players love him, just depends on the personality of the player

  31. Mike E. says:

    If Flores wanted more control, they should have told him get us into the playoffs and win a round and we’ll talk about it then big boy!

  32. sb7mvp says:

    You have to remember that people around the league shaking their head like, WTF? So the organization has to get their word and spin on it in order for it to make sense. So far I haven’t heard anything from Flores camp, and I suppose he’s smart for doing so. However, I take what is being reported with a grain of salt. Good or bad, it sounds like Flores was working hard on trying to establish a winning culture in a place where management didn’t know what that looked like and he was ousted for it.

    • Ken says:

      It sounds like it was a power struggle and Ross and Grier were not ready to give it to him yet. I didn’t want to lose Flores but I don’t think he has accomplished enough to warrant that type of control

    • Tim Knight says:

      Coaches rarely speak out when they get fired. Like you said it’s best not to do that when you’re interviewing for another job. You just move on.

      • Ken says:

        I wouldn’t expect him to say anything either

      • sb7mvp says:

        Yeah, I’m just pointing out that the team has the ability to control the narrative and we shouldn’t take it as gospel because there’s a side of the story that isn’t being given.

      • steveccnv says:

        Reply to 7

        Agree don’t take anything as gospel, if they can lie to better their position or to look better they will, truth be damned

  33. sb7mvp says:

    Dan Quinn was a DL coach from 2005-2006 when Saban was here. It’s possible he could have interviewed with us at some point.

  34. sb7mvp says:

    It’s weird seeing guys like Jerod Mayo getting interviews, like wasn’t he just playing in the league?

  35. The Flying Pig says:

    ukfinfan says:
    January 11, 2022 at 1:46 pm
    Piggy – we thank you for your service. 4 genes were taken out of the pig heart to stop it growing too large and 6 human added to stop it being rejected.


    Sounds wasteful

    • Rockphin says:

      why we just throw the hearts away (or more likely feed them to other pigs….) They should go to good use if we can’t make bacon out of them.

      BEST use of pig parts in order

      1. FOOD
      2. FOOD for FOOD
      3. Lifesaving replacement parts for humans.

  36. steveccnv says:

    Guess none of this really matters now, unless it continues every 3 years

  37. steveccnv says:

    Kellen Moore at 13/2 to be our next HC is interesting

  38. bailbondmike says:

    Ok, this is an article from a year ago but a very good one on Mike McDaniel.

    Makes me want him to be the pick as HC to take our offense to another level.

  39. The Flying Pig says:

    From what I read about McDaniel, I love him

    But we really don’t know anything about these guys until they are on the job – that’s just reality

    • Tim Knight says:

      True, it’s always about did you hire the right guy. Can he handle the HC responsibilities or does he sit in the corner by himself looking at plays when things aren’t working while the game is still going on.

  40. Tim Knight says:

    In an offense like what Mike McDaniel runs, I think Tua would be a good fit. He’d probably be under center a lot more, but Tua is good on waggles and boots throwing on the run. You get teams stretched out in the run game and then play-action with Tua’s accuracy – receivers will likely be open a lot. I’m sure there would still be some RPO, but not as the bread and butter.

  41. The Flying Pig says:

    McDaniel looks like the kind of guy who will livestream training camp on his twitch game account

  42. wyoming85 says:

  43. wyoming85 says:

  44. Tim Knight says:

    The Giants have fired Joe Judge.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      So people can stop making the lame argument that Flores shouldn’t have been fired bc Joe Judge was not fired…

  45. bailbondmike says:

    This season with Mike McDaniel calling the plays, SF attempted 514 passes and ran the ball 499 times. There are some QB rushes that were probably mostly off scrambling but still ran the ball over 40% of the time. Anyway, they had 499 rushes for 2,166 yards with overall team average of 4.3 yards per carry and 22 TD’s. They were led by rookie RB Elijah Mitchell who had 207 rushes for 963 yards, 4.7 average. He also incorporated receivers in the running game with 67 rushes (mostly Deebo Samuel) with over 6 yard average per rush.

    This season 49er’s were 10th overall, 13th in points, 7th in pass yards, 14th in pass TD’s, 7th in rush yards, 5th in rush attempts, 5th in rush TD’s. RANKED #1 in redzone TD %.

  46. Tim Knight says:

    Giants and Bears targeting former Dolphins personnel guy Joe Schoen who is the Asst. GM for the Bills for GM.

  47. wyoming85 says:

  48. Brian in NY says:

    Flores would be a great fit with the Giants. I bet they interview him.

  49. Brian in NY says:

    Williams tore his ACL last night. I feel bad for him. He’ll probably drop to the second round.

  50. Tim Knight says:

    The Giants are hiring a GM first.

  51. Tim Knight says:

    Ken, if you’re a HC wanting a better situation to start with I agree with you that Chicago is the better job over the Giants. They are in blow it up mode.

  52. New Age says:

    We won the games we were supposed to and weren’t competitive against the top teams outside of the Pats.

  53. New Age says:

    Flores was 2-5 this year against playoff teams. The only wins were the Pats. Against a rookie in his first game ever and Sunday.

  54. Tim Knight says:

    So based on some the names you’re hearing at HC which way are you all leaning?

    • Ken says:

      Mike McDaniel is intriguing. I think Peterson would be okay

    • Tim Knight says:

      It might be the right time for Brian Daboll as a HC and he has history with Tua. He’s paid his dues, has coached for quite a few different teams so he should have a good amount of connections for putting a staff together.

      • Ken says:

        I am not that fond of Daboll. I was not impressed with him here. I think he runs a very unbalanced offense in Buffalo. The relationship with Tua is a positive though

      • Tim Knight says:

        Fair enough. I think he would adapt the offense around Tua. The Bills offense is based on Josh Allen.

    • sb7mvp says:

      I would lean towards Pederson or McDaniel as I’ve long believed their type of offenses fit Tua’s strengths.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I agree with that. Tua is better on the move than stationary in the pocket unless he has decent time to setup. But he’s really good moving around and throwing on the move. He has good feet in a movement offense.

  55. Mike E. says:

    I’m not leaning towards anyone at the moment. I would like us to hire someone that will potentially be here for a decade or more. I thought Flores was going to be that guy. I think we should be patient and try to find that coach.

  56. New Age says:

    My only issue with McDaniel is what kind of staff can he assemble? He seems very talented, but can he bring in guys that make all three phases successful?

  57. Mike E. says:

    Tim – I wasn’t counting Sparano because he was already the HC in ’09.

  58. mf13ss says:

    Ever get that feeling you’re being read? LOL

  59. mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    January 11, 2022 at 8:16 pm
    So based on some the names you’re hearing at HC which way are you all leaning?
    While Brian Daboll would be a first-time HC, he’s garnered a lot of experience in the NFL — and major success with Tua at Alabama — that I feel he’d be an exceptional hire.

    Of all the coaches being discussed and verified to have an interview with us, I feel Daboll has the best chance of assembling a decent staff on both sides of the ball.

    • mf13ss says:

      Steve Ross had BETTER have learned his lesson that young blood as a first-time HC doesn’t necessarily translate to instantaneous success. He needs to go with somebody with experience in the NFL. Daboll fits the “Bill”, if you will.

    • mf13ss says:

      Both Quinn and McDaniel are intriguing to me, but Daboll is my #1.

  60. The Flying Pig says:

    When McDaniel shows up to his interview with Stephen Ross and explains his offense

  61. mf13ss says:

    I believe that with all of the talent we have on the Defensive side of the ball, we don’t necessarily need an A++ Defensive-minded HC or DC. I think that side of the ball will essentially take care of itself, granted we don’t land a dope for a DC.

  62. mf13ss says:

    Brian Daboll might be able to bring Dave DeGuglielmo back as our O-Line coach. DeGuglielmo has been one of the best in the biz over recent years (minus the G-Men in 2020, but ya can’t make that O-Line any good with that roster!).

    DeGuglielmo is currently with Louisiana Tech as their O-Line coach. Daboll and DeGuglielmo worked together in Miami in 2011 as OC and O-Line coach, respectively.

  63. mf13ss says:

    Daboll was the Patsies* TE coach from 2013–2016. Thus, he and Josh Boyer are quite familiar with one another. There’s a chance Boyer could stay as our DC if Daboll is hired as our HC.

  64. mf13ss says:

    Would Daboll re-sign Mike Gesicki? If so, he might be able to make Gesicki a more complete TE… more so than we’ve ever seen before.

  65. mf13ss says:

    Sign RT Trenton Brown and LG Connor Williams, and our O-Line is fixed… granted we sign a competent O-Line coach (see DeGuglielmo).

    Get a stud power back in here (I see you, Rashaad Penny) PLUS re-sign Duke Johnson, and our running game is fixed.

    Gaskin is a stud in his own right as our scat back.

  66. mf13ss says:

    Either draft a WR within the 2nd day of the Draft, or sign a FA WR like A-Rob or Pringle.

  67. mf13ss says:

    Last but not least, we need to find a 3-down LB who can stuff the run AND play the ball in the air. I’ve always called it, “the search for the next Brian Urlacher”.

  68. mf13ss says:

    WOW! Just realized that Rashaad Penny led the NFL in YPC with 6.3 (tied with QB Josh Allen)! OUTSTANDING!

  69. ukfinfan says:

    I know O isn’t the most respected chappie on here, but still found this thread interesting. I can see why this, when compounded, led to the firing. Maybe it causes him to take stock. Waste of leadership otherwise. Water under the bridge now anyway.

  70. Mike E. says:

    Coach Flo didn’t flush the toilet in management bathrooms. Clearly the reason he was fired.

    I feel like there are going to be new angles and stories up until we finally hire a new coach.

  71. Mike E. says:

    M – Jackson was pretty horrible at LG. Need a coach to come in here that can work with the talent we have here. I want to get 2 veterans, I mentioned that here before. Bring in a solid OG like Laken Tomlinson from the 9ers and a veteran center. If you want Penny to average 6.3 YPC here we need to get this O-line fixed. I don’t believe for a second that Jackson can’t play, he needs work. He needs a coach that from day one gets him believing that he’s an NFL tackle. Eichenberg himself feels like RT is his best position. I’ll take his word for it over Lemuel.

    • pheloniusphish says:

      I don’t think for a minute that the stable of linemen on Miami’s roster doesn’t have talent. Jackson played well in the beginning as did Kindley. OL play regressed every year with basically the same players. That’s coaching.

      • Mike E. says:

        I agree Phelon. Not saying that we have an all-pro OL but I think with proper coaching we go from worst to midpack in a season. I’ll take it!

      • pheloniusphish says:

        Yeah, competent coaching could have taken 5 guys off the street and made them better than what Miami fielded. I have never seen line play that bad.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        This is one of the reasons I was so surprised when people were upset about the Flores filling

        He was lost offensively and the hack job on the OL was the best evidence of it

        I think -roper had some expectation that we hire some Oc that fixes his shortcomings – but he couldn’t do that either

  72. bailbondmike says:

    Last but not least, we need to find a 3-down LB who can stuff the run AND play the ball in the air. I’ve always called it, “the search for the next Brian Urlacher”.
    Unfortunately, I am not seeing that guy at ILB this draft. There are some great run stuffers and blitzers but weak in coverage. If they are good in coverage, then they are mostly smallish and get washed out in the run game.

  73. bailbondmike says:

    I don’t understand what the deal was with our OL. All the returning OL regressed and Eich started off slow. Why did it take so long to replace Davis at RT? Kindley could not have been any worse than Jackson. The OL was a major failure on Flores and his offensive coaches.

    Another failure of Flores was, he interviewed Mike McDaniel last off season and chose to go the in-house co-oc route which was a major failure.

    We could of already had Mike McDaniel as our OC but he chose to stick with his buddies instead.

    • steveccnv says:

      The more we find out…

      There were other reasons why Flores kept everything hush hush besides giving our opponent an advantage

  74. steveccnv says:

    Forget the Rooney Rule, Vance Joseph will be our next HC, and everyone will lose their shit

  75. The Flying Pig says:

    The most desirable job in football according to Mando might hire a bill O’Brien

  76. bookman11 says:

    To me Vance Joseph is “meh”

  77. bailbondmike says:

    I don’t see where Joseph was awful in Denver. Denver finished the season with the 3rd best scoring defense. Though, they were not ranked very high in other stats and near the bottom of the league in takeaways and #19 in sacks but were #1 in QB hurries.

    To say he was awful is just being overexaggerated.

    • bailbondmike says:

      With that said, I would prefer he not be the guy.

    • steveccnv says:

      He was 12-21, to me that’s awful

      Who cares if his Ds were good in some categories, if he couldn’t win

      We had some pretty good stats for passing yards against one year we won I think 1 game

      In 3 years when everyone is ripping him a new one, after his firing, will you be saying the same thing about our D?

      • Ken says:

        Often times a first time HC fails and in the second job they succeed. He didn’t do anything terribly stupid in Denver. I think he has the pedigree to be a good HC

      • steveccnv says:

        He seemed in over his head to me, the job was too big for him

        Same thing I thought of Bowles and Wanny, they just don’t look right standing on the sideline during a game (deer in headlights)

  78. steveccnv says:

    Would like an innovative HC, not one that just tries to copy what the HCs he worked under did

    He needs to have his own ideas on how to lead a team, some guys may be good coordinators, but can’t lead a team

  79. steveccnv says:

    Often times a first time HC fails and in the second job they succeed.

    I get that Ken, did you just throw that out there or is there something you see in him, that makes you feel it would be different the next time?

    • Ken says:

      I love what he has done with Arizona’s defense. They are aggressive and attack the QB. I see a good football mind him and I think he warrants another shot. I get that he looked a little over his head his first go around as an HC. But I like h the product he brings as a coordinator. I think what happened what happened in Denver may have been some growing pains. He was only a DC 1 year when Denver hired him. I didn’t think he was ready to be an HC at that time. I think he is now.

  80. steveccnv says:


    Saban to the Dolphins😝

  81. wyoming85 says:


  82. The Flying Pig says:

    This made me laugh
    Mary Danielle can make things happen!

  83. The Flying Pig says:

    I know we all witnessed it

    So this stat won’t surprise anyone

    But I am honestly surprised at how upset some people were seeing Flores fired knowing this

    We were never going to win like this
    And it wasn’t getting any better anytime soon

  84. sb7mvp says:

    Vance Joseph left to be a HC too soon IMO, but I don’t blame him for taking the opportunity when it presented himself. Maybe after a few years of watching other guys he knows what he should do.

  85. mf13ss says:

    sb7mvp says:
    January 12, 2022 at 9:20 am
    Why are we looking for the Next BU instead of the next ZT?
    I love Zach, but he was only 5’11” with a 28.5″ VJ… we need a 6’4″-er who can cover TEs like Brian Urlacher could. TEs have been our kryptonite for nearly 20 years. I hope this answers your question, SB7.

  86. The Flying Pig says:


    The OL failing and the offense as a whole failing was very directly Flores’ fault

    The idea that an entire young OL are busts is hard to beleive – more likely poor development

    We had 3 OL coaches under Flores and he had power to hire and fire them

    Flores is Rex Ryan – a good DC that can turn the corner to be a good HC and generate offense

    You don’t do the sort of things he did if you are an offensive minded coach
    – you don’t got through offensive coach’s like that bc you have to implement new systems each time
    – you don’t bench your rookie QB and expect him to start the next game like nothing os wrong
    – and you certianly don’t have ambiguity as to who calls the plays

    Flores wasn’t just average or below average when it came to offense
    He was incompetent

    An offense needs a goal and a system in place to hit that goal

    • Ken says:

      I agree Flores needed help on offense but 2 years in a row we won more than we lost and we’re in contention late in the season. I also think the OL problems had a lot to do with talent evaluation. Yes coaching plays a part in that too. But when a coach has us in contention 2 years in row it should not be surprising that we are shocked when he is fired

      • bookman11 says:

        It depends on how you define “contention” This Team was far from competing legitimately for a SB, and we were losing ground on offense, which in today’s NFL is a recipe for disaster. This offense was a disaster all season, and I cannot forget all of the mis-steps and failures of this coaching staff that led to 1-7.

      • Ken says:

        Playoff contention

      • pheloniusphish says:

        Miami was only in playoff contention because of the defense. And when the defense had a bad day , Miami lost. 7 weeks in a row.

    • sb7mvp says:

      That’s not why he was fired though. If he was nicer, he would still be there.

      • Ken says:

        I agree. It wasn’t about coaching it was a power play by Flores and he lost if you believe the article by Barry Jackson which I do.

      • steveccnv says:

        You’re quite gullible Ken. Barry is just throwing out there what the team wants out there

      • Ken says:

        No doubt there is spin from the team but that is consistent with Flores personality and his pedigree being a Bellicheck protégé. Why do you think he was fired? Power play has been the only plausible explanation offered

      • sb7mvp says:

        My comment was tongue in cheek btw.

      • steveccnv says:

        He was fired for lots of different reasons

        The power play certainly holds weight, but Barry’s article conflicts with other reports, why choose his?

  87. wyoming85 says:

    Does it really matter who they hire as a HC?
    Half of the fanbase is going to hate them for 3 years then we can start again! 😉

  88. mf13ss says:

    Mike E. says:
    January 12, 2022 at 8:40 am
    M – Jackson was pretty horrible at LG. Need a coach to come in here that can work with the talent we have here. I want to get 2 veterans, I mentioned that here before. Bring in a solid OG like Laken Tomlinson from the 9ers and a veteran center. If you want Penny to average 6.3 YPC here we need to get this O-line fixed. I don’t believe for a second that Jackson can’t play, he needs work. He needs a coach that from day one gets him believing that he’s an NFL tackle. Eichenberg himself feels like RT is his best position. I’ll take his word for it over Lemuel.
    Yeah, we agree on all the above but for Austin Jackson. I’d be more than happy if he manages to prove me wrong. As for Eichenberg, I think he’s going to be a stud… doesn’t matter if he’s on the left or right.

    • Ken says:

      Don’t see anything special in Eichenberg. Doesn’t matter what side he played as he played neither of them well

      • Brian in NY says:

        I agree. He just seemed okay to me. I doubt he will be special (short arms for the position ). Hopefully he can be solid one day.

  89. Randy says:

    Just my opinion, but I think this goes back to the draft a couple years ago when Burrow was drafted. I think Ross wanted to tank that season and try to get the first pick. Flores was focused on winning games and wasn’t buying in. Grier was probably on Ross’ side. Then, I believe Grier and Ross wanted to pursue Watson and Flores wasn’t happy with all the distractions and just want playing ball. Add that to Flores’ general “F U” attitude, and I think his coaching skill didn’t really matter anymore.
    I said during the preseason that I wouldn’t be surprised if there was something going on behind the scene that was contributing to how bad this team was performing. It just felt like there had to be more going on than just poor coaching to explain what we were seeing. Players looked like their heads just weren’t in it. Something was going on. Maybe this contention in the building was bleeding through to everything else.
    For the record, I’d have kept Flores. I think he has the makings of a good NFL coach. He wasn’t there yet, but I think he’d have gotten better as time went on. He is Bellicheat early in his career. Nobody likes him. Players can’t take tough coaching anymore, and Flores doesn’t have the cachet to be that sort of coach yet in his career.

  90. Ken says:

    steveccnv says:
    January 12, 2022 at 1:35 pm (Edit)
    He was fired for lots of different reasons

    The power play certainly holds weight, but Barry’s article conflicts with other reports, why choose his
    Because it is plausible and some of the reporting was just sensationalizing rumors. Also Jackson tends to be one of the better Dolphins beat reporters imo.

  91. naplesfan2010 says:

    Mike Florio and Chris Simms say no one will want the Miami job (because Ross listens to whispers and favors Grier).

    • Ken says:

      A big concern for me

    • The Flying Pig says:

      The minute anyone schedules an interview with the Dolphins. It will highlight that florio and Simms are hot garbage

      Those two are so stupid, they don’t have the foresight to see how quickly they can be proven wrong

      We have requests for Daboll, Quinn and McDaniels and a few others – the minute any of them accept an interview, doesn’t it undercut this stupid take by them

      In the case of Vance Joseph and Daboll each has worked with both Ross and Grier in the past – they already know them…..

      It’s kind of indicative of the organization perception of how each of them perceive the organization that they requested to interview two former employees isn’t it?

      Florio and Simms combine to make sea cucumbers look smart

  92. Tim Knight says:

    If you read the article yesterday from Barry Jackson, Grier and Flores both agreed on the talent brought in. So if you blame Grier for some of the personnel misses, you have to blame Flores too because he signed off on it. Flores getting fired was about him being on a power trip throughout the organization and people got tired of it. The decision to fire Flores was likely made well before the end of the season. It sucks but that’s what it is.

    Now we need to find a new HC and hopefully this time we take the next step which we all know is the playoffs and more.

    • steveccnv says:

      Ross is the guy who keeps getting married, then quickly divorced, and can’t figure out he’s the common denominator

      As long as Ross is owner we’ll need win an SB

      He wants a cohesive locker room, but won’t keep his fat ass out of the way

    • steveccnv says:

      Assumes Barry got it right, don’t think some things he wrote was true

      Who made him king of the beat writers, why is everything he wrote true?

      Gotta be some truth there, but it’s too easy for our FO to sit back and wait for dirt to come out, then pull Barry in and have him write everything they want portrayed

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I think a lot of us who read Jackson see a guy who’s generally more reliable than others. He’s not usually eager to be clickbait

      • steveccnv says:

        He’s at the mercy of the team, he asks questions and writes what they tell him, if they lie to him, what’s he supposed to do, he’s just reporting what they tell him

  93. wyoming85 says:

    Cold blooded! Yet humorous!

  94. The Flying Pig says:

    Don’t get me wrong guys

    I don’t wish firing on anyone. And I would have gladly taken a year without changes

    But if people are going to argue that firing Flores is a sign of a dysfunctional organization – thats just wrong

    Offensive ineptitude with no sign of getting better justifies this firing

    We watched and commented in real time about some of the playcalling and some of the very frustrating offense

    Some times our offense didn’t even look like a professional nfl team. We all saw it week to week. So don’t let the national media set that narrative. We all know what we witnessed

    • steveccnv says:

      Maybe it is dysfunctional, picking out some things he did wrong doesn’t mean it’s not and the firing was justified

      He still had a winning record and the guys on board

      Do you want to waste 3 more years, because the current coach didn’t get it all right?

      Give me continuity and some form of belief the HC can get it done, like getting the team to play way over their heads the 2nd half of each season

      • The Flying Pig says:

        The offense wasn’t getting any better Steve

        Would you rather wait a year to waste 3 more years?

        He undercut stability on offense with 3 different OL coaches, multiple OCs and not being able to bring on a good OC – we were going to be the same Dolphins in 2022 that we were in 2021. Some defensive minded coaches never get over that hump (see Rex Ryan)

        And I think we need to stop with the players loved him. Most of the offensive players haven’t said positive things about him. He seems on track to follow the buddy Ryan model of offense v defense on the same team.

      • steveccnv says:

        The O did get better this year, Tua was a much better QB, he just didn’t have much time to throw and running improved with Duke

        Some players loved him, but that’s besides the point, only thing that matters is they played hard for him, can’t ask for anything more

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      very poor clock management, several strange challenges, several worthless wasted time outs, especially on defense, 4 OCs in 3 years, zero offense for long stretches, backyard play calls alternating with same ol same ol plays that anybody can defense, making Waddle into Landry 2.0, making Parker Mr. Jump-ball or No-ball (OK with a few slants), very little OL development in spite of all high draft picks, losing to Jax, not being worthy of Buffalo, losing 7 in a row, bombing at Nashville, subbing for your starting QB like he’s a nickel back, …

  95. Mike E. says:

    Ken – no one looked good on our O-line. That doesn’t mean they’re not good, means they’re not coached properly. Not one guy really excelled, and there’s talent on that line.

    • Ken says:

      There are athletes on the OL I am not convinced they are good talents. It’s not just coaching. You can coach until the cows come home if the talent is lacking or the willingness to be coached

  96. Tim Knight says:

    I’m not taking sides. Everyone involved with this football team has been failing. I’m just trying to put all the information together and make sense of it. The easiest action was that we fired Flores the day after the game which shows it was already decided. There was no end of the season evaluation, he was not coming back and they wanted to get an early start looking for a new HC.

    All I care about is the football team getting better and winning and hopefully the new HC will help us do that.

  97. The Flying Pig says:

    Gesicki is excited about the offense in 2022

  98. sb7mvp says:

    It’s not the firing of Flores alone that makes the front office dysfuncitional, it’s the hiring and firing of Flores, Gase, Philbin and all the other guys we’ve been through in the last 2 decades. How can the revolving door of assistants be a sign of dysfunctionality for Flores, but it’s not when Ross and his subordinates do it?

  99. Tim Knight says:

    Based on some of the reasoning for firing Flores that has been reported, it really wasn’t about his coaching and whatever mistakes he made etc. It was about how he dealt with people within the organization and they were tired of it. It wasn’t about the offense or the season records or anything like that. He turned people off. Other coaches have been fired for similar reasons over the years. A football team is never about one guy.

    • steveccnv says:

      Agree, but whose to say that’s true?

      The dysfunction comes from picking a scapegoat and allowing everything else to continue

      Flores is just 1 wife

  100. mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    January 12, 2022 at 2:45 pm
    I’m not taking sides…
    Same. It is what it is now, and nobody should be taking sides at this point. All we can do as fans are to hope Ross gets it right this time around.

    Personally, I feel it was a major mistake to fire Flores (up yours, Steve Ross)… but that’s like griping about yesterday when our focus should be on today and tomorrow. We’ve got to keep focus on the present and future… as if any of us has a say, LOL.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Right! There are a lot of people who are a part of the team that matter, it’s not about one person. Players still have to prepare themselves for next season. They still have careers and dreams of winning a championship. So everyone has to get back to work and when a new HC is hired and he hires his staff, it will be another football season just a little different.

    • steveccnv says:

      Seems everyone has taken sides, but you can’t just move on, you have to fix the problem, that caused these issues

      • mf13ss says:

        IMO, Steve Ross is the #1 problemo. Unfortunately, we’re at his mercy as fans until he relinquishes ownership.

      • steveccnv says:

        That I can agree with, either spend more time with the team and get involved or stay 100% out.

        I let the coaches and front run things…tear it down, bring in Watson, Harbaugh, no wait don’t bring in Harbaugh I’ll F him up too, and Mich will stink

  101. CavalierKong says:

    Great conversations and different perspectives from everyone here since the Flores firing, guys.

  102. naplesfan2010 says:

    I do not think either Vance Joseph or Bill O’Brien will ever be great HCs. Joseph will never be big enough, and O’Brien will never be smart enough.
    I am also concerned that the job is too big for Daboll. I think he’s peter principled out at OC.
    It was too big for Dan Quinn. His ceiling is DC.
    Same for the DC in TB.

    So please no to all of those.

    I’m excited to think we might get the Shanahan tree (McCormick) or the Aaron Rodgers influence (Hackett) or the Rams guy O’Connell.

    Those are men who can put points on the board.

    Of course my grandmother could put more points on the board than Studesville.

  103. naplesfan2010 says:

    one of my sons posted an alleged tweet by Gesicki that said, “Next year we’ll throw the ball 40 times.”
    cannot verify the source

  104. bookman11 says:

    I really don’t like Ham, but I have to agree 100% with Piggy’s comments on the situation and I think Naples provided an excellent list of reminders of the futilities this season.

    I think I have mentioned several times, I am still pissed at 1-7 and tired of the same old mediocrity. This season was basically lost half way through the season, and the offense never improved despite a 7 game winning streak.

    Even if you take away the behind the scenes stuff that coincidentally is coming out now, I am not surprised he was let go.

    • steveccnv says:

      I’d accept the firing, if we had a better replacement in the wings

      Otherwise it’s just rinse and repeat

      • bookman11 says:

        What do you mean by having a replacement in the wings? You wanted them to hire the replacement first? They are going through the interview process, and maybe already have a strong candidate in mind, but how are they supposed to have that in pace prior to firing?

      • Rockphin says:

        Didn’t Ross get universally panned because he courted Harbough while Sparano was still employed? He should have done that again?????!! ??!!!

        Think of what you are saying.

      • steveccnv says:

        You don’t think they had a deal in place with Flores way before he signed?

        Would’ve done the same with Harbaugh

        Before the season was over Ross and Grier could’ve talked to him to gage his interest, and if they felt they could sign him, then move ahead with the firing

      • bookman11 says:


        Exactly, that is what came to mind for me

      • bookman11 says:

        That approach was used before by Ross and he was vilified for it. They may like one candidate more than another, but I don’t think these things are done in advance of a firing

      • steveccnv says:

        Who cares, the media is always all over our ass, just get one of the 3 coaches I mentioned and the firing will be forgotten qyickly

  105. Rockphin says:

    Mike Gesicki commented: “Next year we throwing the ball 40 times a game”

    (Because he will be playing for the Chiefs. LOL

  106. naplesfan2010 says:

    oops I owe you a beer

  107. naplesfan2010 says:

    If that’s the real Gesicki, it means two things. 1) He and the other skill position guys including Tua were dissatisfied with the game plans (how could they not be) and 2) he is planning on being back in Miami (which I for one would love to see).

  108. Rockphin says:

    Hell, I’ll buy a round for everyone! BEERS ALL AROUND! [_]3 [_]3 [_]3

  109. Ken says:

    My advice is start drinking heavily

  110. naplesfan2010 says:

    About that 40 passes target, that’s about a 2-1 ratio of passes to runs in a normal game. I think that is a good ratio and if we could average 8.5 instead of 6.5 yds per pass, that would give us a chance to average 25-28 ppg, which would win 10-12 games with a top 10 defense.

    I believe in the current trend of setting up the run with the pass. You loosen up the LBs on 1st and 2nd down and then the RB can pop a 8-12 yarder with just a small crease.

  111. naplesfan2010 says:

    LOL at Happy Hour on the blog.
    I can tell we swept the patsies this year.

  112. steveccnv says:

    McDaniel, Pedersen or Harbaugh

    Anyone else and it will be a setback

  113. Tim Knight says:

    The bottom line is Flores is gone and we have to hire a new HC. We can speculate all we want but that’s where we are now. Let’s hope we hire the right guy. That’s all I care about.

  114. The Flying Pig says:

    sb7mvp says:
    January 12, 2022 at 2:59 pm (Edit)
    It’s not the firing of Flores alone that makes the front office dysfuncitional, it’s the hiring and firing of Flores, Gase, Philbin and all the other guys we’ve been through in the last 2 decades. How can the revolving door of assistants be a sign of dysfunctionality for Flores, but it’s not when Ross and his subordinates do it?


    That’s fine

    But does that make us any different from any other team seeking a coach right now. A lot of teams that aren’t looking are just mid-cycle (the jets, the lions)

    This is an nfl story that reaches beyond the Dolphins

    Every team is looking to break the cycle, until they actually break it

    But when you hire your guy. You expect them to build the foundation right away and then build off that, and that’s not what Flores did with the offense

    If the Dolphins hire the right guy, they break that cycle

    But I’m already convinced Flores was not that guy
    Do we stick with him another year to force continuity, or do we make the move now?

    I think that’s the real question at the end of the day

    Yes the franchise is in a re-occurring nightmare but giving Flores another year wasn’t going to get us out of it

  115. The Flying Pig says:

    Wtf is wrong with ham!

  116. steveccnv says:

    The fact that Ross commented about not bringing in Harbaugh leads me to believe he’s talked to him, by saying what he did he has an out this time around

    • mf13ss says:

      To me, Ross was preemptively saying that he didn’t talk Harbaugh out of Michigan… but that Harbaugh wants to go back to the NFL… and that Ross LOVES Harbaugh (to be the next coach of our Phins).

  117. Ken says:

    McDaniel intrigues me but I am worried he is not yet ready for the job. I love the offense in SF but he doesn’t call the plays. I would prefer he have some play calling experience before he becomes an HC

  118. naplesfan2010 says:

    I think Harbaugh is mentally unstable. He punched Jim Kelly for a comment. He got run off SF in almost the same way that Flores got run off from Miami.

  119. wyoming85 says:

    You folks are fricken crazy!
    WTH is wrong with you guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Don’t like ham??? WTF!!!!!!!!

  120. Rockphin says:

    I don’t think play calling responsibility is important in a HC. There are only a few that keep that responsibility and not allow their coordinators to do it. I think organization, a clear vision of what you want to accomplish and strong leadership skills are the main requirements for a HC.

    • Ken says:

      But I think it is important to have had the experience of it because even though he will unlikely call the plays ultimately he bears the responsibility for the play calls

      • Rockphin says:

        I think understanding the strengths and weaknesses of your subordinates (and being able to identify those characteristics in others) is more important than having called plays, especially if he allows his coordinators to do so.

        Pete Carmichael Jr. is a good example. They guys knows football, knows offense inside and out, builds the game plans week after week and has been successful as an OC for 10+ years at NO. Never called plays.

        I don’t think he WANTS to be anything other than Peyton’s OC though.

  121. naplesfan2010 says:

    I worry about McDaniel (the SF one) not being ready, but the Shanahan playbook is very tantalizing after playing out of the Brooklyn Middle School B team book the past 3 years.

  122. mf13ss says:

  123. steveccnv says:

    Would think, if you wanted to be the next HC of the Fins you’d better be on board with Tua, or at least make Grier think you are

  124. sb7mvp says:

    I’m just giving a different perspective or playing a little devil’s advocate and offering discussion. I’m not really disagreeing with what you are saying because I agree somewhat, but you can’t be surprised with people’s reactions to the news. It was a glacial pace, but we seemed to be headed in the right direction and the players still seemed to be on board. I understand firing him, but I would also understand keeping him around. He was getting it done to an extent.
    Obviously management wanted someone else, but the expectation for the next guy is going to be high. There’s no reshaping the roster in their image. They’re gonna have to tweak what needs tweaking on the offense/ special teams and get someone to maintain the high level of defensive play. Understandbly fans don’t want to see another wasted 3-4 years of a coaching carousel.

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      nor does 110 year old Steven Ross.

    • steveccnv says:

      Interesting point

      Makes me think why in the hell would you allow a 1st time coach and a Jr GM build it from scratch

      You want that done, should’ve gone with experience

    • Tim Knight says:

      There are a lot of good players on our team for a new HC to work with. It’s not like we’re void of talent and we still have good draft capital and a very good cap situation moving forward. Part of being a good HC is working with what you have and not just being in love with your system over talent.

      • sb7mvp says:

        Right, but most coaches want to have their guys win or lose. Most coaches are going to want their own QB and system on offense and defense.
        It’s not like we’ve been void of talent over the past 2 decades to where we couldn’t make it into the playoffs. Every new coach wanted to do things their way instead of looking at what they had, tailoring the schemes, and then gradually improving over time.

  125. naplesfan2010 says:

    This roster is different from most after a HC firing. We have some very real talent. The roster is not in disarray here, nor is it a tired worn out one. We have had some very good recent drafts.

  126. naplesfan2010 says:

    Which is why I disagree with Florio and Simms (per usual).
    Any guy should want to come to Miami to work with Tua, Waddle, Phillips, Wilkins, Holland, Howard, Gesicki, Smythe, Raekwon Davis, Van Ginkel, Baker, Ogbah, etc. and our coming draft picks.
    That’s a really good nucleus.

  127. The Flying Pig says:

    Come to terms with it now ladies and gentlemen

  128. steveccnv says:

    Who decided the hierarchy of an NFL team should have GM above the coach?

    To me that’s backwards, let the HC hire the guy he wants as GM, if he doesn’t get him the type of players he wants fire him, and HC should have final say

    If that were the current structure I’d be ok with Grier staying

    • Tim Knight says:

      Head Coaches with a great track record get that power. But not coaches who haven’t proven anything. Shula was the biggest person in the building, the same with Belichick etc.

      A GM is the one that oversees the entire structure of the football organization. He hires a coach that he believes has what it takes to coach players and win on the field. The GM deals with all the personnel issues to give the coach what he needs to succeed. The HC really doesn’t have time for that most of the time because they’re focused on the next opponent and how to win the next game. They always say they’re burning the midnight oil watching film etc. How can they also handle all of the other stuff that goes on? There isn’t enough time in a day.

      It really is two different jobs. They work together for the common goal.

      • steveccnv says:

        I know some HCs have that power, that’s not what I’m talking about

        In general the HC should have final say, if you hire a Jr HC and want to initially remove final say, that’s one thing, but it shouldn’t be the norm

        Didn’t say the HC should also be the GM, but he should have the power to veto

    • New Age says:

      From what I understand, coaches usually have a lot of say in what players are gotten. It’s the only real way to hold bad coaches accountable for failure. While the HC can hire the GM, the GM should have some control over drafting, player acquisition, etc because it puts too much on the HC otherwise. The HC has to manage egos, find good coaches, make sure they are teaching properly, communicate their vision of the team and the weekly plan against the opponent, oversee everything on gameday including time outs. communicate with the GM on FAs and needs, etc, etc. It’s a lot of work.

      The HC is really there to sell his vision to ownership and ensure it is implemented. No one asks the GM what his offensive philosophy is. No one cares. With all that management, HCs really shouldn’t take on things that are beyond their scope of responsibility. The worst GMs are usually coaches but everyone in Belichick’s tree thinks they are the next Belichick. Sorry, fellas, but you aren’t. Stay in your lane.

  129. steveccnv says:

    Omar fighting back against what Barry said

    He doesn’t believe there was a power struggle and he doesn’t believe Grier backstabbing Flores by going to Ross

    Not sure what to believe, except don’t take either side as fact

    • Ken says:

      Barry bs Omar Barry wins every time in my book

      • steveccnv says:

        You have the right to do that, but it sure puts things you say in perspective now

        To you it doesn’t matter what Omar says, if Barry says the opposite…

        I start out believing no one, then listen to what is said and form an opinion, if either could be true I’ll leave it at either could be wrong too

    • Tim Knight says:

      Grier didn’t back stab Flores, Flores alienated himself from a lot of people. Why would Flores being looking to fire a media dept. guy? That’s not his job. Do your job coaching the football team. Nothing else.

  130. naplesfan2010 says:

    I agree that our 2 biggest needs are RT and ILB. Draft or FA.
    Also need RB. Although with Lindsay and Johnson on the roster, it is less of a hole.
    And another speed deep WR would be nice.
    If you want a OG, we can get one in FA probably.

  131. naplesfan2010 says:

    I see we have also asked for an interview with Kellen Moore. Does he call plays for Dallas and is he ready for the Big Chair?

  132. wyoming85 says:

    • steveccnv says:

      It’s nice they were recognized, but Phillips could’ve made it too, the fact that he didn’t, just means he was doing his job at the end of the season instead of chasing stats

      • naplesfan2010 says:

        true and he did recover that fumble, as he had beaten his man.
        I think his slow start (maybe because of the team’s slow start) hurt his chances to be all rookie.

        I’m not worried about him. I think he’s gonna get better and better.

  133. Tim Knight says:

    Steve, I don’t think the GM vs. HC is the issue and specifically not what happened in Miami.

    The owner hires a GM to run his football program. GM hires a HC to coach the players in practice and get them ready to play games because that is what he is, a coach. It’s two different jobs. Flores wasn’t hired to have full power and final say on everything. He should have taken his own advice that he gives his players, just do your job.

    Do you think while he was trying to dig the team out of the 1-7 start he was the one finding Duke Johnson and Phillip Lindsay to help him along the way? That’s Grier’s job. To give his coach what he needs to be successful. In the offseason they can work together on personnel and they usually do. Does Grier go down on the field and tell Flores to stop blitzing so much or to run more etc.? I doubt it. The HC should focus on his job which is coaching the players on the field. That in itself is a full time job.

    In any situation, if your GM and HC can’t work together that’s a problem. That’s when the owner has to step in. It’s his team. If you were the owner, wouldn’t you?

    • Brian in NY says:

      It’s also a problem that Ross isn’t actually around. He spends most of his time in NY.

      • Tim Knight says:

        He’s got people like Bruce Beal (rumored to be the next owner), Tom Garfinkel (vice chairman, president and CEO of the Miami Dolphins and Hard Rock Stadium) and GM Chris Grier running operations. They report to Ross who is 81. Ross doesn’t need to be a field general. However you feel about it, Ross doesn’t like dissension within his business. I did not think Flores was like that, but that’s why he got fired. Tried to go too high too soon. There were lots of other people higher up the ladder than him and he lost that power push.

        Flores getting fired is more about him than anyone else. Maybe the Bears or some other team will give him the power he seeks. If he gets it, good for him. Now it’s all on him.

      • Brian in NY says:

        I get that, but if I was an owner I would want to be around more. Not necessarily to be a field general, but to keep an eye on things. This isn’t the first time there has been dissension among the ranks here.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Brian, there are plenty of top people around the building knowing what’s going on. That’s why Flores was fired. Ross got the intel. It’s pretty easy to communicate these days without being there. He is 81 years old.

        This had to be a 2021 thing or he would have been gone last year. Maybe it started last year and got too much this year and the powers that be said enough. Coach the team, the rest is not your job. Like I said earlier why was he lobbying for a media person to be fired? That’s not your job. What does that have to do with winning your division first?

        It sounds to me like Flores tried to bite off more than he could chew. He should have just coached. He’s a good coach. Win big and then we’ll talk about how big you are in the building.

        I mean Jim Harbaugh had the 49ers as a top team and went to a Super Bowl against his brother and lost. Got fired a couple of years later because he grated on people. What was firing Doug Pederson all about in Philly? He won you your first Super Bowl you silly cunts!!! LOL

  134. Tim Knight says:

    Naples, Phillips missed most of the offseason with a leg injury. So he was getting his reps on the fly in games. We watched him progress as the season went on and I think we have a really good player in him.

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      totally agree, as I said above

    • Tim Knight says:

      I was saying I don’t think it was because of the team’s slow start, it was because of his own slow start due to injury, he didn’t get the reps to get game ready. We all saw him being fed a few responsibilities along the way until he could handle all the things we needed him to do. He progressed really quickly. I see big things from him in the future.

  135. wyoming85 says:

    I wonder if he’s draft eligible???

  136. mf13ss says:

  137. Tim Knight says:

    We still have the same personnel concerns today that we had all season. Whoever the new HC is, we still need to upgrade OL, RB and WR. We need more proven vets on the OL, a jolt of new talent in the RB room and more speed at WR. Nobody on this team breaks a big play and takes it to the house. Waddle can do that but he was quickly the player opponents said, don’t let him beat us. Nobody else scares us.

    Now let’s talk about Tua. What QB would thrive with the offense we put out there this year? Some more plays and points here or there. Maybe a little better than Tua. Okay. It’s still not good enough. We all watched it.

    Our defense can compete with anyone if the offense does it’s part. Sometimes you have to win 38-35. We’re not good enough for that yet. The defense keeps teams under 20 points a bunch and when we do score 30+ it’s because the defense/STs chipped in.

    Load up on offense and give Tua every chance to prove himself. If he fails in his 3rd season, we have two 1st rd picks in 2023. The draft capital and cap situation we have is pretty damn good. But let’s bash on Grier. He’s made his mistakes too but who doesn’t? My biggest problem with his 2021 season was too young on the OL at the same time. Okay he fucked up! Can he correct it? We shall see.

  138. naplesfan2010 says:

    Tim, you are correct.
    it is true that our rush yards given up improved. I thought when I last saw it, that it was much worse than that.
    It seems that our pass yards against got worse.
    I still think we need an upgrade from Roberts, although Riley had a really good PFF rating against NE.

  139. naplesfan2010 says:

    You all probably already know this, but …
    Miami’s top 5 PFF grades for the season:
    Sieler 84.8, Holland 84.6, Wilkins 83.3, Waddle 78.3, Ogbah 77

  140. manitobafinfan says:

    I am beginning to possibly understand why Caldwell didn’t stay longer than a week ….

  141. Mike E. says:

    Roberts is like an old school LB. He’s great if the play is right in front of him. He’s not great going sideline to sideline or chasing down plays. I’d like an upgrade if possible. It’s more of a luxury want than a need want though.

    • Tim Knight says:

      He comes off the field quite a bit in certain situations when we go heavy DB. Sometimes the other team makes a play.

      I feel like sometimes fans want perfect players in all phases. Never gonna happen. 😉

  142. wyoming85 says:

    Devin Lloyd just declared for the draft!
    So there’s one

  143. Tim Knight says:

    On offense we need another player that makes opponents not focus on just Waddle. To me that will be another WR and/or a special RB. We have to open up the field. We always seem bottled up.

    • mf13ss says:

      I agree, but let’s not ignore what Gesicki has done to clear out under-routes for Waddle by stretching the seam.

      Again, agreed. Let’s get that grinder RB AND another complement for Waddle at the WR position… while getting this O-Line right.

      • Tim Knight says:

        To me Waddle and Gesicki were our our best playmakers on offense. But it was surrounded by a handful of other guys playing for their careers. Parker is next up and he has lost a step, but he can still make some plays – when he plays.

        Hollins is what we all know he is, an excellent football player who can play a big WR role when you need him. He’s an Ace STs player and he will block on run plays.

        We need more talent on offense. Is there anyone who thinks the Dolphins have really good RBs?

      • steveccnv says:

        No and you really don’t need really good RBs, just adequate ones

  144. wyoming85 says:

  145. Tim Knight says:

    I don’t like doing this but man all season long I saw the same stuff.
    LT Eichenberg C
    LG Austin Jackson D
    C (4 different guys) C-
    RG Robert Hunt C
    RT Jesse Davis D

    It was bad.

    • Mike E. says:

      On WQAM, The two fucknuts, Joe Rose and Zach Krants were just gobbling on Justin Herbert’s nads this morning, and most morning’s really. They seem to blame Tua for everything, and then someone on the text line brings up that both teams and their QB’s will be home dutring the playoffs and that Tua is 13-8 as a starter and Herbert is 15-17. The third guy on the show “Hollywood” something says after that text that it’s not Herbert’s fault that his team is bad. These statements kinda kill me. Is it Tua’s fault that his O-line sucks and is the absolute worst in football? Brissett was sacked 19 times in 4.5 games and Tua was sacked 20 in 13 games. How many times would Brissett have been sacked if he played the whole season? How many wins would the Dolphins have? These are the things that drive me fucking crazy! Tua did about as well as anyone could do under the conditions. No fucking run game most of the season until Duke got there, and hardly ever the same receivers in the game, every other week another guy was out. Rose and Krantz make all the excuses for Herbert because he throws a great deep ball, but he has a much better O-line, receivers and RB’s. I hate Joe Rose, he’s a total doucher, you’d think he’d know better. Or maybe he just likes stirring shit up for his show, who knows?

      • Ken says:

        I truly believe if Tua was healthy for the starts he missed we would have won at least one of those games and that is the difference between being in the playoffs and not

      • Tim Knight says:

        They contradict themselves. I find that funny.

        My favorite is Tua can’t throw deep even though the OL is bad and won’t allow that to happen. LOL

      • Tim Knight says:


      • steveccnv says:

        He can’t throw the deep ball, because of his weak arm, he doesn’t throw many, because the OL doesn’t give him enough time

        How is that a contradiction?

        He gets out of the pocket at times and chooses to throw a higher percentage med range pass, instead of the deep ball

        I actually get excited, when he gets out of the pocket, because good things usually happen

  146. steveccnv says:

    They’re all over Herbert, because he’s dangerous, the same way Allen is

    How many times did you think the Chargers were done and he kept bringing them back, he did it plenty against KC both games, didn’t see any other of his games

    Tua may have the better career, but man I’d like to have Herbert

  147. steveccnv says:

    Tim Knight says:
    January 12, 2022 at 5:33 pm
    Steve, I don’t think the GM vs. HC is the issue and specifically not what happened in Miami.

    Was just making a general statement, find the hierarchy odd that’s all

  148. Tim Knight says:

    Steve, Tua threw deep at Alabama. The field is no different. It’s not about his arm. The plays aren’t there in Miami in the NFL. When Brissett played the moment he got the snap he rolled out to trying to make a play. The blocking is sub par.

    People say what about when Fitz was playing? Yeah what about it? He ran more than he should have. Our offense becomes sandlot because of a jail break defense coming after us. No QB can play well doing that. Maybe Mahomes or Rodgers, that’s about it. Brady is a different thing all together. The stars seem to align for him when it has to. LOL

    When I watch football games, if a QB has no time it’s usually a tough day.

  149. Mike E. says:

    To continue from last night’s post regarding Herbert and Tua. Herbert has 2 WR’s that have put up over 1000 yards receiving in their careers BEFORE he arrived (Allen, Williams). Dolphins have 1 but he was out every other game and when he was in, he was maybe healthy for half of those. The Chargers have a top 10 O-line. All these things factor in to the QB’s success. Chargers Top 10 O-line, Dolphins Worst in the NFL. Chargers RB’s averaged 4.2 YPC for 1464 yards. Dolphins RB’s for 1335 averaging 3.6 YPC. We all know Herbert has a stronger arm, maybe one of the best in the NFL, but there are other skills that make a Qb a good QB, and I think Tua has a lot of the intangibles. Joe Rose played football, you’d think he know better that just to look at what Herbert has done and what Tua has done without comparing the quality of the O-line, receivers and RB’s too.

    • Mike E. says:

      He played most of the season with a revolving door of receivers such as Albert Wilson, Isaiah Ford, Mack Hollins, and Preston Williams. Not one of those receivers would crack the lineup for the Chargers and none of our RB’s would either. You want to compare, make it a fair assessment Joe Rose, or STFU!

    • steveccnv says:

      Herbert passes the eye test, wowing a lot, that’s what they’re reacting to, not that you don’t know that

      • Mike E. says:

        Steve – no question, but Joe Rose isn’t a guy who never played pro football like me and you, he’s been there, and should know better than to just look at the eye candy.

  150. sb7mvp says:

    The problem with talking about QBs is that most people have an Elite or bust mentality. There’s no room for the solid franchise guy in the discussion. There are plenty of busts. There are only few elites or they wouldn’t be elite.
    I’ve watched Herbert play. He makes a lot of poor decisions and throws that Tua gets crucified for. His stats might say otherwise, but he’s not light years ahead of Tua. He’s got more natual physical talent and he’s surrounded by better talent and offensive coaching. He gets his team in holes and has to crawl out of them. Then people want to look at his stat line.
    That being said, I wanted Herbert over Tua, but Herbert isn’t on our team. How would he have looked on this team anyway? We only have Tua and there’s no better alternative right now, so you support Tua and let him be the guy until the opportunity comes to grab someone else. Let him be the Alex Smith (although I think Tua is better) until you can grab a Mahomes. It’s a team sport. Don’t sabotage the most important position on the team when he’s good enough to get you wins now despite having so little help on offense.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Yeah I agree

      Just stick it out with your guys. If you found a solid qb who’s not Peyton Manning that’s a luxury. Maybe later you find that Peyton Manning

      Generally speaking there’s been too much turnover on this team. I would like to see a lot more players play out their contracts without having to prove they are HOFers or otherwise extendable

      What if at best a Tua is a game manager? Let him manage and keep bringing in more talent around a stable roster

    • steveccnv says:

      The upside for Herbert is unlimited, for Tua there’s some limitations

      Does it really matter, if you throw a shitty inc pass on 2nd down, if you can make up for it on 3rd or 4th

      • sb7mvp says:

        Nobody has unlimited upside. Both have limitations, just in different areas. Besides, the upside wasn’t the point of my post. It was about supporting the guy we have and building a team. Does it really matter if you have a guy who can throw over 30 TDs a season if you can’t make it into the playoffs?

  151. The Flying Pig says:

  152. bailbondmike says:

    Devin Lloyd just declared for the draft!
    Wyoming, I am not sure where I am with Lloyd. He is projected to run a 4.7 which, IMO is kind of slow for an OLB. All the sites I have read up on question his athletic ability.

    The good stuff is he has an explosive burst when rushing and hear that his football IQ and smarts makes up what he lacks physically.

    One site said he has the highest football IQ of any LB in the coming draft.

  153. Ken says:

    This whole Tua vs Herbert discussion put forward by our beat writers is stupid. At the point when they were drafted there was no clear choice. The way I recall it Herbert had better physical skills but people thought there was bigger bust potential with him coming out of the PAC-12 and some accuracy issues to boot. I personally thought Herbert had the highest ceiling of the 3 top QBs. Herbert was more ready than just about everyone thought. He is the better QB and yes we should have drafted him. That said it doesn’t mean Tua was a bad pick and or will not be a good QB. Tua is doing just fine. He is winning more than he is losing and he has the least tools to work with. I am tired of the comparisons. Tua is fine and he is our QB

  154. Randy says:

    I think Herbert has gotten overhyped. I’ve watched him about 4 times, and he has looked like any other young QB, but he has been able to cover up inefficiencies with a good arm. Still, he tends to stare down receivers and take first reads just as much as any young QB. He gets bailed out often.
    They played the Vikes, so I went into kind of a deep dive on him and heard a lot from the local media/football guys. There are plenty of warts. I don’t think he’s head and shoulders above any of the handful of top young QBs. Tua isn’t as physically talented, but I think he has a better mind for seeing the game.

  155. bookman11 says:

    sb7mvp says:
    January 13, 2022 at 8:05 am
    The problem with talking about QBs is that most people have an Elite or bust mentality. There’s no room for the solid franchise guy in the discussion. There are plenty of busts. There are only few elites or they wouldn’t be elite.
    I’ve watched Herbert play. He makes a lot of poor decisions and throws that Tua gets crucified for. His stats might say otherwise, but he’s not light years ahead of Tua. He’s got more natual physical talent and he’s surrounded by better talent and offensive coaching. He gets his team in holes and has to crawl out of them. Then people want to look at his stat line.
    That being said, I wanted Herbert over Tua, but Herbert isn’t on our team. How would he have looked on this team anyway? We only have Tua and there’s no better alternative right now, so you support Tua and let him be the guy until the opportunity comes to grab someone else. Let him be the Alex Smith (although I think Tua is better) until you can grab a Mahomes. It’s a team sport. Don’t sabotage the most important position on the team when he’s good enough to get you wins now despite having so little help on offense.

    Thanks sb7mvp, this was a great post. I, for one, was one that was regretting that we did not draft Herbert, but you are right, Tua is our QB and we should build around him and his skill set until he proves himself, or something better comes along. I will stop comparing him to Herbert moving forward and divert my energy on paying attention to what we are doing to improve the coaching and talent on offense surrounding our QB

    • sb7mvp says:

      Thanks Bookman. I guess the over the top discussions spurned by media outlets just gets to me. I like listening to voices of reason and guys who can see both the pros and cons, while being grounded in reality. I would like our front office to take a practical approach to this team instead of chasing the next big thing.

  156. Ken says:

    Beer 🍺 for SB7

  157. steveccnv says:

    If we had Herbert we hear all the negative things said about him, that we really don’t now, comes with the grass is greener…

    Tua just needs a little help

    Herbert is more dynamic, like Marino, but with that comes bad games or avg games more frequently

    Tua showed how consistent he can be during the winning streak

    Do you want the QB that gives you a chance any game against the best teams or the QB that’s going to put you in position to win every week, but may need a little help

  158. bailbondmike says:

    One guy who interests me at ILB is Channing Tindall, UGA, 6’2 230, 4.44 projected.

    Though, I am not sure what it is with him. His first 3 years he didn’t crack the starting LB unit and didn’t start every game as a Senior. He did start vs Alabama in the championship. With that said, UGA has the best LB group in the country but still leaves me that question. Is it his football IQ? I don’t know. He is projected to be drafted late 2nd to 3rd round. He had 67 tackles with 5.5 sacks and 1 FF this season.

  159. steveccnv says:

    And make no mistake, one man’s trash definitely is another man’s treasure. The Bears moved quickly to bring in Flores for an interview, and I suspect he will garner more significant interest in short order.

    When the other guys at the party are lining up to dance with your ex, maybe the problem was you and not her.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      The bears actually have interviews set up witH Daboll, Pederson, leftwich, Quinn, Todd Bowles, bills dc, Colts dc, Packers oc, and Flores

      They scheduled a bunch of interviews. Let’s not assume Flores is going to get that job.

      And FYI – it’s the only interview he has lined up

    • pheloniusphish says:

      Other guys at the party wanting to dance with your ex might mean she’s a ho.

  160. Ken says:

    steveccnv says:
    January 13, 2022 at 10:05 am (Edit)
    At this stage Herbert can carry a team on his back, Tua not so much
    Not sure what that means or what you base that on. The only thing you can say right now is Herbert is more physically talented but that doesn’t mean about carrying a team. For example Jeff George was one of the most physically gifted QBs of his time. Joe Montana was not. One carried his team the other did not.

    • steveccnv says:

      I don’t hear any chatter about the Chargers wanting to replace Herbert, why do you think that is?

      Quit the naive game Ken

      • Ken says:

        Different question and I agree Herbert is the better QB but right now Tua or Herbert have carried their teams anywhere. Just because someone passes the eye candy test doesn’t make them the better QB. And you call me naive

      • steveccnv says:

        Just because someone passes the eye candy test doesn’t make them the better QB.

        Quit the BS Ken, you admitted in your same post Herbert is the better QB now

      • Ken says:

        I think you missed the point of my post

  161. steveccnv says:

    I like Tua, and think he’s got a decent shot at winning an SB, he’s very skilled in a lot of areas, not ready to give up on him

    With that said, let’s not pretend right now we’d rather have him over Herbert

  162. steveccnv says:

    Funny shit

  163. pheloniusphish says:

    Miami rated second best team for a new coach.

  164. ukfinfan says:

    Thank goodness it’s warm in Miami. Herd may not approve this message? 🤔😉😂

  165. mf13ss says:

    • The Flying Pig says:

      He’s like a different player this year

      He wasn’t horrible before but clearly he has benefited from the change to a hybrid type of player

      Between him and Deebo, it’s like a new position

  166. mf13ss says:

    LOL, this guy is a breath of fresh air! Not sure I want him to become our next HC, but he’s extremely charismatic.

  167. Rockphin says:

    Who the hell is CeeFlashPee??????? I hate when twitter users dispense with peoples real fn names!!

    • Ken says:

      Cordarelle Patterson. One of M13’s long time man crushes

    • bookman11 says:

      LOL!! Rock, it is simple, can’t you just look at the logo, determine it is the Falcons, then then deduce that he is wearing 84, then look up an Atlanta Falcon’s roster and see who wears #84… easy……

      • Rockphin says:

        Too Funny Bookman! A simpler way is to click on the @ address and it will take you to twitter where his page has his whole name shown. I just wasn’t twitter savvy enough to realize that until after I posted. I should have known because he has been MF’s man crush since his college days.

      • bookman11 says:

        I knew who he was, but not because of his Twitter “name”, I thought your comment was hilarious

  168. Rockphin says:

  169. The Flying Pig says:

    Probably doesn’t mean anything
    But here it is

  170. Rockphin says:

    Come on Doug Pederson!

    and coming around the corner it’s Brian Daboll, followed by Mike McDaniel then Doug Pederson….Wait there’s some movement happening … it seems the equipment manager of the Saskatchewan Roughriders has moved up in the pack and is threatening the lead, their nose and nose folks and it’s a photo finish!!

    Congratulations to Jean Petqua Motsif the new head coach of the Miami Dolphins and incredible burst at the end put him over the the top!

  171. The Flying Pig says:

  172. mf13ss says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    January 13, 2022 at 3:20 pm
    He’s like a different player this year

    He wasn’t horrible before but clearly he has benefited from the change to a hybrid type of player

    Between him and Deebo, it’s like a new position
    I think Atlanta was the first team to realize that Cordarrelle was, in fact, an Offensive Weapon (OW). Meaning, he wasn’t a traditional (or steady) WR or traditional RB, but he has so much talent that he could be utilized in a myriad of ways.

    That was my hope for Dri Archer, but he chose to step away from the game instead.

  173. naplesfan2010 says:

    Anyone seen any of Mike McDonald interviews? wow he’s sharp.
    Also these guys call him a genius.

    I want this guy to be our next HC.

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      oops I owe you a beer.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I actually wouldn’t mind even if it may seem somewhat early in his career. He seems to really understand the game. It’s not just the running game and the offense, to be a good offensive coach you need to understand defense too. That’s how you attack on offense, knowing what the defense is doing.

  174. Ken says:

    Not sure if this accurate or not:

  175. sb7mvp says:

    I joked about Flores going to Houston right after he was fired, but the GM is Nick Caserio who was with New England for two decades.

  176. The Flying Pig says:

    2 interviews are scheduled for Sunday

  177. pheloniusphish says:

    If there are any get Watson proponents left….

    • Tim Knight says:

      Ugh! I’m really tired of Tua getting so much crap from everywhere. Can the guy develop like other young QBs without all the nonsense. He’s so bad he helped the team go 8-1 down the stretch. He beat the Pats and Jones twice too.

  178. The Flying Pig says:

    This is 100% correct

    Keep your eye on this situation

  179. The Flying Pig says:

    This is embarsssing

  180. Mike E. says:

    I don’t trust Lombardi. He’s a huge Tua detractor in his own right. He was on the Joe Rose show on WQAM spewing his Tua hate all the time because Joe Rose hates Tua

  181. CavalierKong says:

    I’m rewatching Patriots2, and getting all pissed off again that they called for a review of the spot when he was literally half a yard short, lol.

    The bias is so so obvious I’m amazed they didn’t just give them the 1st down.

  182. CavalierKong says:

    I know this was talked about earlier, but I just can’t believe how lame the walk back is…


    “I remember I said there was commentary between the head coach and Tua during the season and I wouldn’t reveal what the conversation was. Well, the conversation was, ‘Hey, if I’d have (known) you were going to be this bad, I would have picked Mac Jones.’

    “I misspoke on the pod–and those were my words for Flores, not his.”

  183. ukfinfan says:

    Anyone who can pull the Bus down like this (as if he were a charging bull) deserves to get in. Make it so! LONG overdue.

  184. ukfinfan says:

    Then and now.


  185. sb7mvp says:

    If Calvin Munson isn’t a Dolphin next year, we riot.

  186. Mike E. says:

    NEW BLOG UP!!!

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