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Finsmob Unleashed 
Gesicki is excited about the offense in 2022
Does he know something we don’t know? Will he be on the Dolphins?
We will see
Of course, because he’s going to give us the home town discount
Or we could use the same logic used above on Flores and say he can’t block, sucks after the catch, runs like a giraffe and not re-sign him
Piggy,
It’s not the firing of Flores alone that makes the front office dysfuncitional, it’s the hiring and firing of Flores, Gase, Philbin and all the other guys we’ve been through in the last 2 decades. How can the revolving door of assistants be a sign of dysfunctionality for Flores, but it’s not when Ross and his subordinates do it?
Agree
Based on some of the reasoning for firing Flores that has been reported, it really wasn’t about his coaching and whatever mistakes he made etc. It was about how he dealt with people within the organization and they were tired of it. It wasn’t about the offense or the season records or anything like that. He turned people off. Other coaches have been fired for similar reasons over the years. A football team is never about one guy.
Agree, but whose to say that’s true?
The dysfunction comes from picking a scapegoat and allowing everything else to continue
Flores is just 1 wife
Tim Knight says:
January 12, 2022 at 2:45 pm
I’m not taking sides…
—————
Same. It is what it is now, and nobody should be taking sides at this point. All we can do as fans are to hope Ross gets it right this time around.
Personally, I feel it was a major mistake to fire Flores (up yours, Steve Ross)… but that’s like griping about yesterday when our focus should be on today and tomorrow. We’ve got to keep focus on the present and future… as if any of us has a say, LOL.
Right! There are a lot of people who are a part of the team that matter, it’s not about one person. Players still have to prepare themselves for next season. They still have careers and dreams of winning a championship. So everyone has to get back to work and when a new HC is hired and he hires his staff, it will be another football season just a little different.
^
Seems everyone has taken sides, but you can’t just move on, you have to fix the problem, that caused these issues
IMO, Steve Ross is the #1 problemo. Unfortunately, we’re at his mercy as fans until he relinquishes ownership.
That I can agree with, either spend more time with the team and get involved or stay 100% out.
I let the coaches and front run things…tear it down, bring in Watson, Harbaugh, no wait don’t bring in Harbaugh I’ll F him up too, and Mich will stink
Great conversations and different perspectives from everyone here since the Flores firing, guys.
Our Dolphin angst has stirred the blog
I do not think either Vance Joseph or Bill O’Brien will ever be great HCs. Joseph will never be big enough, and O’Brien will never be smart enough.
I am also concerned that the job is too big for Daboll. I think he’s peter principled out at OC.
It was too big for Dan Quinn. His ceiling is DC.
Same for the DC in TB.
So please no to all of those.
I’m excited to think we might get the Shanahan tree (McCormick) or the Aaron Rodgers influence (Hackett) or the Rams guy O’Connell.
Those are men who can put points on the board.
Of course my grandmother could put more points on the board than Studesville.
I’ll take O’Brian, if it means no Watson🤪
btw
one of my sons posted an alleged tweet by Gesicki that said, “Next year we’ll throw the ball 40 times.”
cannot verify the source
40 times a game I meant
He probably thinks he is going to sign with Green Bay
I really don’t like Ham, but I have to agree 100% with Piggy’s comments on the situation and I think Naples provided an excellent list of reminders of the futilities this season.
I think I have mentioned several times, I am still pissed at 1-7 and tired of the same old mediocrity. This season was basically lost half way through the season, and the offense never improved despite a 7 game winning streak.
Even if you take away the behind the scenes stuff that coincidentally is coming out now, I am not surprised he was let go.
I’d accept the firing, if we had a better replacement in the wings
Otherwise it’s just rinse and repeat
What do you mean by having a replacement in the wings? You wanted them to hire the replacement first? They are going through the interview process, and maybe already have a strong candidate in mind, but how are they supposed to have that in pace prior to firing?
Didn’t Ross get universally panned because he courted Harbough while Sparano was still employed? He should have done that again?????!! ??!!!
Think of what you are saying.
You don’t think they had a deal in place with Flores way before he signed?
Would’ve done the same with Harbaugh
Before the season was over Ross and Grier could’ve talked to him to gage his interest, and if they felt they could sign him, then move ahead with the firing
Rock,
Exactly, that is what came to mind for me
Steve,
That approach was used before by Ross and he was vilified for it. They may like one candidate more than another, but I don’t think these things are done in advance of a firing
Who cares, the media is always all over our ass, just get one of the 3 coaches I mentioned and the firing will be forgotten qyickly
Mike Gesicki commented: “Next year we throwing the ball 40 times a game”
(Because he will be playing for the Chiefs. LOL
Who is buying who beer?
Looks like I owe you
oops I owe you a beer
Beers all around
LOL Now I owe you another!
https://phinphanatic.com/2022/01/12/what-a-doug-pederson-coaching-staff-could-look-like/
Works for me
If that’s the real Gesicki, it means two things. 1) He and the other skill position guys including Tua were dissatisfied with the game plans (how could they not be) and 2) he is planning on being back in Miami (which I for one would love to see).
Hell, I’ll buy a round for everyone! BEERS ALL AROUND! [_]3 [_]3 [_]3
My advice is start drinking heavily
“They took the bar!!!”
🤣
About that 40 passes target, that’s about a 2-1 ratio of passes to runs in a normal game. I think that is a good ratio and if we could average 8.5 instead of 6.5 yds per pass, that would give us a chance to average 25-28 ppg, which would win 10-12 games with a top 10 defense.
I believe in the current trend of setting up the run with the pass. You loosen up the LBs on 1st and 2nd down and then the RB can pop a 8-12 yarder with just a small crease.
LOL at Happy Hour on the blog.
I can tell we swept the patsies this year.
McDaniel, Pedersen or Harbaugh
Anyone else and it will be a setback
Harbaugh would be a mistake. He will be Saban 2.0
He’s won everywhere he’s been, I’ll take a chance on that mistake
But he leaves every where he has been in pretty short time. He has no commitment to any particular organization. Always looking for greener pastures
Also unless the Raiders win a SB he will be their next HC
Let him leave, everyone else does
The bottom line is Flores is gone and we have to hire a new HC. We can speculate all we want but that’s where we are now. Let’s hope we hire the right guy. That’s all I care about.
Problem is with Ross we can hire the right guy, but we still don’t make the playoffs
Not much anyone can do about that. All we can do is hope.
sb7mvp says:
January 12, 2022 at 2:59 pm (Edit)
Piggy,
It’s not the firing of Flores alone that makes the front office dysfuncitional, it’s the hiring and firing of Flores, Gase, Philbin and all the other guys we’ve been through in the last 2 decades. How can the revolving door of assistants be a sign of dysfunctionality for Flores, but it’s not when Ross and his subordinates do it?
****
That’s fine
But does that make us any different from any other team seeking a coach right now. A lot of teams that aren’t looking are just mid-cycle (the jets, the lions)
This is an nfl story that reaches beyond the Dolphins
Every team is looking to break the cycle, until they actually break it
But when you hire your guy. You expect them to build the foundation right away and then build off that, and that’s not what Flores did with the offense
If the Dolphins hire the right guy, they break that cycle
But I’m already convinced Flores was not that guy
Do we stick with him another year to force continuity, or do we make the move now?
I think that’s the real question at the end of the day
Yes the franchise is in a re-occurring nightmare but giving Flores another year wasn’t going to get us out of it
That’s just speculation
All he really needed to do was get a new OC and Oline coach that were competent
You are giving him a 4th bite at that 🍎
First bite Ross gave him a pass, 2nd one wasn’t too bad, third one he got too cocky and shit all over himself
Wtf is wrong with ham!
It’s too salty, fact content is too high, not Kosher, dirty animal…
That’s what she said
Laughing in the Ed McMann voice from Johnny Carson
You should be glad I am not consuming your kind….or kin
I agree with Steve and Bookman. I don’t eat ham.
Nothing. It is especially good when served on a cuban roll with roast pork, swiss cheese, mustard and pressed in a sandwich press. mmmmmmmmmmm
The fact that Ross commented about not bringing in Harbaugh leads me to believe he’s talked to him, by saying what he did he has an out this time around
To me, Ross was preemptively saying that he didn’t talk Harbaugh out of Michigan… but that Harbaugh wants to go back to the NFL… and that Ross LOVES Harbaugh (to be the next coach of our Phins).
Do NOT be surprised if it happens.
McDaniel intrigues me but I am worried he is not yet ready for the job. I love the offense in SF but he doesn’t call the plays. I would prefer he have some play calling experience before he becomes an HC
He has an interview with the Broncos.
I think Harbaugh is mentally unstable. He punched Jim Kelly for a comment. He got run off SF in almost the same way that Flores got run off from Miami.
Those are the exact same words I used a couple of days ago regarding Harbaugh: mentally unstable.
I spent a decade fantasizing about punching Jim Kelly in the 90s
I don’t think that problematic
LOL That’s true, me too.
Dilly Dilly
Except it was Thurman Thomas for me
^^^^^
To Naples above
Talked with Harbaugh in the 90s for about 30 minutes, he’s none of that😃
You folks are fricken crazy!
WTH is wrong with you guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don’t like ham??? WTF!!!!!!!!
Overrated…….. and I am tired of it being a focus meat at Christmas and Easter!!!
Didn’t say I didn’t eat it was just giving him the business, to go along with the why Flores was fired narrative
I don’t think play calling responsibility is important in a HC. There are only a few that keep that responsibility and not allow their coordinators to do it. I think organization, a clear vision of what you want to accomplish and strong leadership skills are the main requirements for a HC.
But I think it is important to have had the experience of it because even though he will unlikely call the plays ultimately he bears the responsibility for the play calls
I think understanding the strengths and weaknesses of your subordinates (and being able to identify those characteristics in others) is more important than having called plays, especially if he allows his coordinators to do so.
Pete Carmichael Jr. is a good example. They guys knows football, knows offense inside and out, builds the game plans week after week and has been successful as an OC for 10+ years at NO. Never called plays.
I don’t think he WANTS to be anything other than Peyton’s OC though.
I worry about McDaniel (the SF one) not being ready, but the Shanahan playbook is very tantalizing after playing out of the Brooklyn Middle School B team book the past 3 years.
LOL
Not sure Tua’s the answer, but for sure he isn’t the problem
Would think, if you wanted to be the next HC of the Fins you’d better be on board with Tua, or at least make Grier think you are
Piggy,
I’m just giving a different perspective or playing a little devil’s advocate and offering discussion. I’m not really disagreeing with what you are saying because I agree somewhat, but you can’t be surprised with people’s reactions to the news. It was a glacial pace, but we seemed to be headed in the right direction and the players still seemed to be on board. I understand firing him, but I would also understand keeping him around. He was getting it done to an extent.
Obviously management wanted someone else, but the expectation for the next guy is going to be high. There’s no reshaping the roster in their image. They’re gonna have to tweak what needs tweaking on the offense/ special teams and get someone to maintain the high level of defensive play. Understandbly fans don’t want to see another wasted 3-4 years of a coaching carousel.
nor does 110 year old Steven Ross.
nor do I (also a very old fan)
Interesting point
Makes me think why in the hell would you allow a 1st time coach and a Jr GM build it from scratch
You want that done, should’ve gone with experience
There are a lot of good players on our team for a new HC to work with. It’s not like we’re void of talent and we still have good draft capital and a very good cap situation moving forward. Part of being a good HC is working with what you have and not just being in love with your system over talent.
Right, but most coaches want to have their guys win or lose. Most coaches are going to want their own QB and system on offense and defense.
It’s not like we’ve been void of talent over the past 2 decades to where we couldn’t make it into the playoffs. Every new coach wanted to do things their way instead of looking at what they had, tailoring the schemes, and then gradually improving over time.
This roster is different from most after a HC firing. We have some very real talent. The roster is not in disarray here, nor is it a tired worn out one. We have had some very good recent drafts.
There are big holes at IL and RB
If you consider our FAs
With that said, let’s see what the new coach can do with yourins, and table the Flores firing verification tour for a year
Which is why I disagree with Florio and Simms (per usual).
Any guy should want to come to Miami to work with Tua, Waddle, Phillips, Wilkins, Holland, Howard, Gesicki, Smythe, Raekwon Davis, Van Ginkel, Baker, Ogbah, etc. and our coming draft picks.
That’s a really good nucleus.
Come to terms with it now ladies and gentlemen
Who decided the hierarchy of an NFL team should have GM above the coach?
To me that’s backwards, let the HC hire the guy he wants as GM, if he doesn’t get him the type of players he wants fire him, and HC should have final say
If that were the current structure I’d be ok with Grier staying
Head Coaches with a great track record get that power. But not coaches who haven’t proven anything. Shula was the biggest person in the building, the same with Belichick etc.
A GM is the one that oversees the entire structure of the football organization. He hires a coach that he believes has what it takes to coach players and win on the field. The GM deals with all the personnel issues to give the coach what he needs to succeed. The HC really doesn’t have time for that most of the time because they’re focused on the next opponent and how to win the next game. They always say they’re burning the midnight oil watching film etc. How can they also handle all of the other stuff that goes on? There isn’t enough time in a day.
It really is two different jobs. They work together for the common goal.
I know some HCs have that power, that’s not what I’m talking about
In general the HC should have final say, if you hire a Jr HC and want to initially remove final say, that’s one thing, but it shouldn’t be the norm
Didn’t say the HC should also be the GM, but he should have the power to veto
From what I understand, coaches usually have a lot of say in what players are gotten. It’s the only real way to hold bad coaches accountable for failure. While the HC can hire the GM, the GM should have some control over drafting, player acquisition, etc because it puts too much on the HC otherwise. The HC has to manage egos, find good coaches, make sure they are teaching properly, communicate their vision of the team and the weekly plan against the opponent, oversee everything on gameday including time outs. communicate with the GM on FAs and needs, etc, etc. It’s a lot of work.
The HC is really there to sell his vision to ownership and ensure it is implemented. No one asks the GM what his offensive philosophy is. No one cares. With all that management, HCs really shouldn’t take on things that are beyond their scope of responsibility. The worst GMs are usually coaches but everyone in Belichick’s tree thinks they are the next Belichick. Sorry, fellas, but you aren’t. Stay in your lane.
Omar fighting back against what Barry said
He doesn’t believe there was a power struggle and he doesn’t believe Grier backstabbing Flores by going to Ross
Not sure what to believe, except don’t take either side as fact
Barry bs Omar Barry wins every time in my book
vs^
You have the right to do that, but it sure puts things you say in perspective now
To you it doesn’t matter what Omar says, if Barry says the opposite…
I start out believing no one, then listen to what is said and form an opinion, if either could be true I’ll leave it at either could be wrong too
Grier didn’t back stab Flores, Flores alienated himself from a lot of people. Why would Flores being looking to fire a media dept. guy? That’s not his job. Do your job coaching the football team. Nothing else.
Where did Flores looking to fire a media guy come from?
It was in Jackson’s article.
I agree that our 2 biggest needs are RT and ILB. Draft or FA.
Also need RB. Although with Lindsay and Johnson on the roster, it is less of a hole.
And another speed deep WR would be nice.
If you want a OG, we can get one in FA probably.
ILB? Baker is a very good ILB. Roberts does his job. The defense really isn’t the problem. The offense needs more talent. We have to score more points. It’s that simple.
We give up too many rush yards in the middle. We let teams get first downs rushing up the gut, we let teams control the game late, and our rushing yards against is our weakest Defensive stat.
Baker excels at the Will. I think we need a Mike. He’s smallish and will wear out if asked to be an interior thumper long term. We need a Ray Lewis enforcer at MLB.
Looked where we were ranked against the run, .7 from being 10th. We were tied for 13th.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/view/defense/table/rushing/sort/rushingYardsPerGame/dir/asc
I see we have also asked for an interview with Kellen Moore. Does he call plays for Dallas and is he ready for the Big Chair?
I don’t think so. One of my least fav options.
Think so
And he does call the plays too
“Mom, get out of my room, I’m trying to call plays”
It’s nice they were recognized, but Phillips could’ve made it too, the fact that he didn’t, just means he was doing his job at the end of the season instead of chasing stats
true and he did recover that fumble, as he had beaten his man.
I think his slow start (maybe because of the team’s slow start) hurt his chances to be all rookie.
I’m not worried about him. I think he’s gonna get better and better.
Steve, I don’t think the GM vs. HC is the issue and specifically not what happened in Miami.
The owner hires a GM to run his football program. GM hires a HC to coach the players in practice and get them ready to play games because that is what he is, a coach. It’s two different jobs. Flores wasn’t hired to have full power and final say on everything. He should have taken his own advice that he gives his players, just do your job.
Do you think while he was trying to dig the team out of the 1-7 start he was the one finding Duke Johnson and Phillip Lindsay to help him along the way? That’s Grier’s job. To give his coach what he needs to be successful. In the offseason they can work together on personnel and they usually do. Does Grier go down on the field and tell Flores to stop blitzing so much or to run more etc.? I doubt it. The HC should focus on his job which is coaching the players on the field. That in itself is a full time job.
In any situation, if your GM and HC can’t work together that’s a problem. That’s when the owner has to step in. It’s his team. If you were the owner, wouldn’t you?
It’s also a problem that Ross isn’t actually around. He spends most of his time in NY.
He’s got people like Bruce Beal (rumored to be the next owner), Tom Garfinkel (vice chairman, president and CEO of the Miami Dolphins and Hard Rock Stadium) and GM Chris Grier running operations. They report to Ross who is 81. Ross doesn’t need to be a field general. However you feel about it, Ross doesn’t like dissension within his business. I did not think Flores was like that, but that’s why he got fired. Tried to go too high too soon. There were lots of other people higher up the ladder than him and he lost that power push.
Flores getting fired is more about him than anyone else. Maybe the Bears or some other team will give him the power he seeks. If he gets it, good for him. Now it’s all on him.
I get that, but if I was an owner I would want to be around more. Not necessarily to be a field general, but to keep an eye on things. This isn’t the first time there has been dissension among the ranks here.
Brian, there are plenty of top people around the building knowing what’s going on. That’s why Flores was fired. Ross got the intel. It’s pretty easy to communicate these days without being there. He is 81 years old.
This had to be a 2021 thing or he would have been gone last year. Maybe it started last year and got too much this year and the powers that be said enough. Coach the team, the rest is not your job. Like I said earlier why was he lobbying for a media person to be fired? That’s not your job. What does that have to do with winning your division first?
It sounds to me like Flores tried to bite off more than he could chew. He should have just coached. He’s a good coach. Win big and then we’ll talk about how big you are in the building.
I mean Jim Harbaugh had the 49ers as a top team and went to a Super Bowl against his brother and lost. Got fired a couple of years later because he grated on people. What was firing Doug Pederson all about in Philly? He won you your first Super Bowl you silly cunts!!! LOL
Naples, Phillips missed most of the offseason with a leg injury. So he was getting his reps on the fly in games. We watched him progress as the season went on and I think we have a really good player in him.
totally agree, as I said above
I was saying I don’t think it was because of the team’s slow start, it was because of his own slow start due to injury, he didn’t get the reps to get game ready. We all saw him being fed a few responsibilities along the way until he could handle all the things we needed him to do. He progressed really quickly. I see big things from him in the future.
I wonder if he’s draft eligible???
Looks like Phelon
Shhh….That’s my cousin!
I don’t get it?
We still have the same personnel concerns today that we had all season. Whoever the new HC is, we still need to upgrade OL, RB and WR. We need more proven vets on the OL, a jolt of new talent in the RB room and more speed at WR. Nobody on this team breaks a big play and takes it to the house. Waddle can do that but he was quickly the player opponents said, don’t let him beat us. Nobody else scares us.
Now let’s talk about Tua. What QB would thrive with the offense we put out there this year? Some more plays and points here or there. Maybe a little better than Tua. Okay. It’s still not good enough. We all watched it.
Our defense can compete with anyone if the offense does it’s part. Sometimes you have to win 38-35. We’re not good enough for that yet. The defense keeps teams under 20 points a bunch and when we do score 30+ it’s because the defense/STs chipped in.
Load up on offense and give Tua every chance to prove himself. If he fails in his 3rd season, we have two 1st rd picks in 2023. The draft capital and cap situation we have is pretty damn good. But let’s bash on Grier. He’s made his mistakes too but who doesn’t? My biggest problem with his 2021 season was too young on the OL at the same time. Okay he fucked up! Can he correct it? We shall see.
Tim, you are correct.
it is true that our rush yards given up improved. I thought when I last saw it, that it was much worse than that.
It seems that our pass yards against got worse.
but
I still think we need an upgrade from Roberts, although Riley had a really good PFF rating against NE.
Miami’s top 5 PFF grades versus NE
Sieler 89.6, Riley 82.5, Holland 79.1, Howard 75.9, van Ginkel 74.6
We need to become a good offense. With our playmaking defense if we scored 20+ regularly on offense, we’d probably be an 11-6 team at worst.
Roberts is a thumper, but he has a tendency to hit the wrong hole and miss the play.
If we only corrected that. LOL
I think it was Roberts who let Harris through on the long run for the TD.
I like his hitting, but he’s not huge at 6’1 238.
btw
You all probably already know this, but …
Miami’s top 5 PFF grades for the season:
Sieler 84.8, Holland 84.6, Wilkins 83.3, Waddle 78.3, Ogbah 77
I am beginning to possibly understand why Caldwell didn’t stay longer than a week ….
Roberts is like an old school LB. He’s great if the play is right in front of him. He’s not great going sideline to sideline or chasing down plays. I’d like an upgrade if possible. It’s more of a luxury want than a need want though.
He comes off the field quite a bit in certain situations when we go heavy DB. Sometimes the other team makes a play.
I feel like sometimes fans want perfect players in all phases. Never gonna happen. 😉
Yeah, I said it’s a luxury want. It’s definitely not a must have.
Devin Lloyd just declared for the draft!
So there’s one
On offense we need another player that makes opponents not focus on just Waddle. To me that will be another WR and/or a special RB. We have to open up the field. We always seem bottled up.
I agree, but let’s not ignore what Gesicki has done to clear out under-routes for Waddle by stretching the seam.
Again, agreed. Let’s get that grinder RB AND another complement for Waddle at the WR position… while getting this O-Line right.
To me Waddle and Gesicki were our our best playmakers on offense. But it was surrounded by a handful of other guys playing for their careers. Parker is next up and he has lost a step, but he can still make some plays – when he plays.
Hollins is what we all know he is, an excellent football player who can play a big WR role when you need him. He’s an Ace STs player and he will block on run plays.
We need more talent on offense. Is there anyone who thinks the Dolphins have really good RBs?
No and you really don’t need really good RBs, just adequate ones
Not interested
I don’t like doing this but man all season long I saw the same stuff.
LT Eichenberg C
LG Austin Jackson D
C (4 different guys) C-
RG Robert Hunt C
RT Jesse Davis D
It was bad.
On WQAM, The two fucknuts, Joe Rose and Zach Krants were just gobbling on Justin Herbert’s nads this morning, and most morning’s really. They seem to blame Tua for everything, and then someone on the text line brings up that both teams and their QB’s will be home dutring the playoffs and that Tua is 13-8 as a starter and Herbert is 15-17. The third guy on the show “Hollywood” something says after that text that it’s not Herbert’s fault that his team is bad. These statements kinda kill me. Is it Tua’s fault that his O-line sucks and is the absolute worst in football? Brissett was sacked 19 times in 4.5 games and Tua was sacked 20 in 13 games. How many times would Brissett have been sacked if he played the whole season? How many wins would the Dolphins have? These are the things that drive me fucking crazy! Tua did about as well as anyone could do under the conditions. No fucking run game most of the season until Duke got there, and hardly ever the same receivers in the game, every other week another guy was out. Rose and Krantz make all the excuses for Herbert because he throws a great deep ball, but he has a much better O-line, receivers and RB’s. I hate Joe Rose, he’s a total doucher, you’d think he’d know better. Or maybe he just likes stirring shit up for his show, who knows?
I truly believe if Tua was healthy for the starts he missed we would have won at least one of those games and that is the difference between being in the playoffs and not
They contradict themselves. I find that funny.
My favorite is Tua can’t throw deep even though the OL is bad and won’t allow that to happen. LOL
LOL
He can’t throw the deep ball, because of his weak arm, he doesn’t throw many, because the OL doesn’t give him enough time
How is that a contradiction?
He gets out of the pocket at times and chooses to throw a higher percentage med range pass, instead of the deep ball
I actually get excited, when he gets out of the pocket, because good things usually happen
They’re all over Herbert, because he’s dangerous, the same way Allen is
How many times did you think the Chargers were done and he kept bringing them back, he did it plenty against KC both games, didn’t see any other of his games
Tua may have the better career, but man I’d like to have Herbert
Neither QB has made the playoffs.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.palmbeachpost.com/amp/5717813002
Tim Knight says:
January 12, 2022 at 5:33 pm
Steve, I don’t think the GM vs. HC is the issue and specifically not what happened in Miami.
Was just making a general statement, find the hierarchy odd that’s all
Steve, Tua threw deep at Alabama. The field is no different. It’s not about his arm. The plays aren’t there in Miami in the NFL. When Brissett played the moment he got the snap he rolled out to trying to make a play. The blocking is sub par.
People say what about when Fitz was playing? Yeah what about it? He ran more than he should have. Our offense becomes sandlot because of a jail break defense coming after us. No QB can play well doing that. Maybe Mahomes or Rodgers, that’s about it. Brady is a different thing all together. The stars seem to align for him when it has to. LOL
When I watch football games, if a QB has no time it’s usually a tough day.
The last paragraph I agree with and have said as much, Tua is much better than avg with no time
To continue from last night’s post regarding Herbert and Tua. Herbert has 2 WR’s that have put up over 1000 yards receiving in their careers BEFORE he arrived (Allen, Williams). Dolphins have 1 but he was out every other game and when he was in, he was maybe healthy for half of those. The Chargers have a top 10 O-line. All these things factor in to the QB’s success. Chargers Top 10 O-line, Dolphins Worst in the NFL. Chargers RB’s averaged 4.2 YPC for 1464 yards. Dolphins RB’s for 1335 averaging 3.6 YPC. We all know Herbert has a stronger arm, maybe one of the best in the NFL, but there are other skills that make a Qb a good QB, and I think Tua has a lot of the intangibles. Joe Rose played football, you’d think he know better that just to look at what Herbert has done and what Tua has done without comparing the quality of the O-line, receivers and RB’s too.
He played most of the season with a revolving door of receivers such as Albert Wilson, Isaiah Ford, Mack Hollins, and Preston Williams. Not one of those receivers would crack the lineup for the Chargers and none of our RB’s would either. You want to compare, make it a fair assessment Joe Rose, or STFU!
Herbert passes the eye test, wowing a lot, that’s what they’re reacting to, not that you don’t know that
Steve – no question, but Joe Rose isn’t a guy who never played pro football like me and you, he’s been there, and should know better than to just look at the eye candy.
The problem with talking about QBs is that most people have an Elite or bust mentality. There’s no room for the solid franchise guy in the discussion. There are plenty of busts. There are only few elites or they wouldn’t be elite.
I’ve watched Herbert play. He makes a lot of poor decisions and throws that Tua gets crucified for. His stats might say otherwise, but he’s not light years ahead of Tua. He’s got more natual physical talent and he’s surrounded by better talent and offensive coaching. He gets his team in holes and has to crawl out of them. Then people want to look at his stat line.
That being said, I wanted Herbert over Tua, but Herbert isn’t on our team. How would he have looked on this team anyway? We only have Tua and there’s no better alternative right now, so you support Tua and let him be the guy until the opportunity comes to grab someone else. Let him be the Alex Smith (although I think Tua is better) until you can grab a Mahomes. It’s a team sport. Don’t sabotage the most important position on the team when he’s good enough to get you wins now despite having so little help on offense.
Yeah I agree
Just stick it out with your guys. If you found a solid qb who’s not Peyton Manning that’s a luxury. Maybe later you find that Peyton Manning
Generally speaking there’s been too much turnover on this team. I would like to see a lot more players play out their contracts without having to prove they are HOFers or otherwise extendable
What if at best a Tua is a game manager? Let him manage and keep bringing in more talent around a stable roster
The upside for Herbert is unlimited, for Tua there’s some limitations
Does it really matter, if you throw a shitty inc pass on 2nd down, if you can make up for it on 3rd or 4th
Nobody has unlimited upside. Both have limitations, just in different areas. Besides, the upside wasn’t the point of my post. It was about supporting the guy we have and building a team. Does it really matter if you have a guy who can throw over 30 TDs a season if you can’t make it into the playoffs?
Daboll will be very busy coaching 2 teams
LOL, I was thinking the same thing
They’re just throwing shit at the wall
Oh you scheduled your first interview with Daboll, he’s now the favorite, because you must think the most of him to be first scheduled
Devin Lloyd just declared for the draft!
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Wyoming, I am not sure where I am with Lloyd. He is projected to run a 4.7 which, IMO is kind of slow for an OLB. All the sites I have read up on question his athletic ability.
The good stuff is he has an explosive burst when rushing and hear that his football IQ and smarts makes up what he lacks physically.
One site said he has the highest football IQ of any LB in the coming draft.
He converted from playing Safety and even WR to LB. You think he would be faster. I just don’t see him as a 1st round pick where he is projected. But this is a weak draft class.
Can’t make it at WR running 4.7, unless you’ve got some great intangibles
This whole Tua vs Herbert discussion put forward by our beat writers is stupid. At the point when they were drafted there was no clear choice. The way I recall it Herbert had better physical skills but people thought there was bigger bust potential with him coming out of the PAC-12 and some accuracy issues to boot. I personally thought Herbert had the highest ceiling of the 3 top QBs. Herbert was more ready than just about everyone thought. He is the better QB and yes we should have drafted him. That said it doesn’t mean Tua was a bad pick and or will not be a good QB. Tua is doing just fine. He is winning more than he is losing and he has the least tools to work with. I am tired of the comparisons. Tua is fine and he is our QB
I think Herbert has gotten overhyped. I’ve watched him about 4 times, and he has looked like any other young QB, but he has been able to cover up inefficiencies with a good arm. Still, he tends to stare down receivers and take first reads just as much as any young QB. He gets bailed out often.
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They played the Vikes, so I went into kind of a deep dive on him and heard a lot from the local media/football guys. There are plenty of warts. I don’t think he’s head and shoulders above any of the handful of top young QBs. Tua isn’t as physically talented, but I think he has a better mind for seeing the game.
At this stage Herbert can carry a team on his back, Tua not so much
15-17 in two seasons says otherwise.
Where has he carried them to?
Didn’t say he’s carried the Chargers, said he CAN carry
You can make excuses for Tua no OL, RBs, WRs, well the same can be said for Herbert with a bad D
That’s pretty similar to what I’ve said.
sb7mvp says:
January 13, 2022 at 8:05 am
The problem with talking about QBs is that most people have an Elite or bust mentality. There’s no room for the solid franchise guy in the discussion. There are plenty of busts. There are only few elites or they wouldn’t be elite.
I’ve watched Herbert play. He makes a lot of poor decisions and throws that Tua gets crucified for. His stats might say otherwise, but he’s not light years ahead of Tua. He’s got more natual physical talent and he’s surrounded by better talent and offensive coaching. He gets his team in holes and has to crawl out of them. Then people want to look at his stat line.
That being said, I wanted Herbert over Tua, but Herbert isn’t on our team. How would he have looked on this team anyway? We only have Tua and there’s no better alternative right now, so you support Tua and let him be the guy until the opportunity comes to grab someone else. Let him be the Alex Smith (although I think Tua is better) until you can grab a Mahomes. It’s a team sport. Don’t sabotage the most important position on the team when he’s good enough to get you wins now despite having so little help on offense.
Thanks sb7mvp, this was a great post. I, for one, was one that was regretting that we did not draft Herbert, but you are right, Tua is our QB and we should build around him and his skill set until he proves himself, or something better comes along. I will stop comparing him to Herbert moving forward and divert my energy on paying attention to what we are doing to improve the coaching and talent on offense surrounding our QB
Thanks Bookman. I guess the over the top discussions spurned by media outlets just gets to me. I like listening to voices of reason and guys who can see both the pros and cons, while being grounded in reality. I would like our front office to take a practical approach to this team instead of chasing the next big thing.
Beer 🍺 for SB7
If we had Herbert we hear all the negative things said about him, that we really don’t now, comes with the grass is greener…
Tua just needs a little help
Herbert is more dynamic, like Marino, but with that comes bad games or avg games more frequently
Tua showed how consistent he can be during the winning streak
Do you want the QB that gives you a chance any game against the best teams or the QB that’s going to put you in position to win every week, but may need a little help
One guy who interests me at ILB is Channing Tindall, UGA, 6’2 230, 4.44 projected.
Though, I am not sure what it is with him. His first 3 years he didn’t crack the starting LB unit and didn’t start every game as a Senior. He did start vs Alabama in the championship. With that said, UGA has the best LB group in the country but still leaves me that question. Is it his football IQ? I don’t know. He is projected to be drafted late 2nd to 3rd round. He had 67 tackles with 5.5 sacks and 1 FF this season.
And make no mistake, one man’s trash definitely is another man’s treasure. The Bears moved quickly to bring in Flores for an interview, and I suspect he will garner more significant interest in short order.
When the other guys at the party are lining up to dance with your ex, maybe the problem was you and not her.
The bears actually have interviews set up witH Daboll, Pederson, leftwich, Quinn, Todd Bowles, bills dc, Colts dc, Packers oc, and Flores
They scheduled a bunch of interviews. Let’s not assume Flores is going to get that job.
And FYI – it’s the only interview he has lined up
Other guys at the party wanting to dance with your ex might mean she’s a ho.
Speak for yourself😉
steveccnv says:
January 13, 2022 at 10:05 am (Edit)
At this stage Herbert can carry a team on his back, Tua not so much
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Not sure what that means or what you base that on. The only thing you can say right now is Herbert is more physically talented but that doesn’t mean about carrying a team. For example Jeff George was one of the most physically gifted QBs of his time. Joe Montana was not. One carried his team the other did not.
I don’t hear any chatter about the Chargers wanting to replace Herbert, why do you think that is?
Quit the naive game Ken
Different question and I agree Herbert is the better QB but right now Tua or Herbert have carried their teams anywhere. Just because someone passes the eye candy test doesn’t make them the better QB. And you call me naive
Just because someone passes the eye candy test doesn’t make them the better QB.
Quit the BS Ken, you admitted in your same post Herbert is the better QB now
I think you missed the point of my post
I like Tua, and think he’s got a decent shot at winning an SB, he’s very skilled in a lot of areas, not ready to give up on him
With that said, let’s not pretend right now we’d rather have him over Herbert
Funny shit
Miami rated second best team for a new coach.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/nfl-coaches-fired-7-best-job-openings
We do have lots of experience in hiring new coaches. We do it all the time. 😂
Thank goodness it’s warm in Miami. Herd may not approve this message? 🤔😉😂
Was afraid this was going to be a cheats favorite weather game
Will Mac Jones throw only 3 passes again?
ESPN should have a lot of fun fielding the phone call from every angry mother of a high school football player bc she can’t get her son out of the bathroom before a cold weather game.
Great suggestion Bart.
He’s like a different player this year
He wasn’t horrible before but clearly he has benefited from the change to a hybrid type of player
Between him and Deebo, it’s like a new position
LOL, this guy is a breath of fresh air! Not sure I want him to become our next HC, but he’s extremely charismatic.
Who the hell is CeeFlashPee??????? I hate when twitter users dispense with peoples real fn names!!
Cordarelle Patterson. One of M13’s long time man crushes
Yessir!
LOL!! Rock, it is simple, can’t you just look at the logo, determine it is the Falcons, then then deduce that he is wearing 84, then look up an Atlanta Falcon’s roster and see who wears #84…sheesh..so easy……
Too Funny Bookman! A simpler way is to click on the @ address and it will take you to twitter where his page has his whole name shown. I just wasn’t twitter savvy enough to realize that until after I posted. I should have known because he has been MF’s man crush since his college days.
I knew who he was, but not because of his Twitter “name”, I thought your comment was hilarious
Probably doesn’t mean anything
But here it is
Have they scheduled an interview with Pederson?
Come on Doug Pederson!
and coming around the corner it’s Brian Daboll, followed by Mike McDaniel then Doug Pederson….Wait there’s some movement happening … it seems the equipment manager of the Saskatchewan Roughriders has moved up in the pack and is threatening the lead, their nose and nose folks and it’s a photo finish!!
Congratulations to Jean Petqua Motsif the new head coach of the Miami Dolphins and incredible burst at the end put him over the the top!
What a great position he was put in
The Flying Pig says:
January 13, 2022 at 3:20 pm
He’s like a different player this year
He wasn’t horrible before but clearly he has benefited from the change to a hybrid type of player
Between him and Deebo, it’s like a new position
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I think Atlanta was the first team to realize that Cordarrelle was, in fact, an Offensive Weapon (OW). Meaning, he wasn’t a traditional (or steady) WR or traditional RB, but he has so much talent that he could be utilized in a myriad of ways.
That was my hope for Dri Archer, but he chose to step away from the game instead.
Sometimes it just takes a little creativity
+100000000000000000000
Think about how long it took for a team to use him this way. When I first saw him rushing I was like who is this #84 running the ball. It caught me totally off guard.
Anyone seen any of Mike McDonald interviews? wow he’s sharp.
Also these guys call him a genius.
I want this guy to be our next HC.
oops I owe you a beer.
I actually wouldn’t mind even if it may seem somewhat early in his career. He seems to really understand the game. It’s not just the running game and the offense, to be a good offensive coach you need to understand defense too. That’s how you attack on offense, knowing what the defense is doing.
Not sure if this accurate or not:
Some of these stories are really unbelievable
What does it say?
Basically that his staff said he wasn’t communicating with them at all since thanksgiving
How is that even possible?
I joked about Flores going to Houston right after he was fired, but the GM is Nick Caserio who was with New England for two decades.
2 interviews are scheduled for Sunday
If there are any get Watson proponents left….
https://www.yahoo.com/news/open-letter-jilly-anais-deshaun-095834465.html
And more rumor reporting…
https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/nfl-rumors-did-brian-flores-tell-tua-tagovailoa-hed-rather-have-mac-jones
Ugh! I’m really tired of Tua getting so much crap from everywhere. Can the guy develop like other young QBs without all the nonsense. He’s so bad he helped the team go 8-1 down the stretch. He beat the Pats and Jones twice too.
This is 100% correct
Keep your eye on this situation
Good that keeps Watson from coming to Miami.
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I predicted this the other talking to one of my friends
This is embarsssing
I don’t trust Lombardi. He’s a huge Tua detractor in his own right. He was on the Joe Rose show on WQAM spewing his Tua hate all the time because Joe Rose hates Tua
Mike, Mike, Mike, you are just blinded by Joe Rose hate. You are looking at thing thru Rose colored glasses. 🤪
Listen to his show and let me know what you think.
I am sure you are right. I trust your judgment. I was really being….as Tim would call it….silly. Lol
I am usually pretty much aligned with your thoughts on Tua
I’m rewatching Patriots2, and getting all pissed off again that they called for a review of the spot when he was literally half a yard short, lol.
The bias is so so obvious I’m amazed they didn’t just give them the 1st down.
I know this was talked about earlier, but I just can’t believe how lame the walk back is…
Lombardi:
“I remember I said there was commentary between the head coach and Tua during the season and I wouldn’t reveal what the conversation was. Well, the conversation was, ‘Hey, if I’d have (known) you were going to be this bad, I would have picked Mac Jones.’
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“I misspoke on the pod–and those were my words for Flores, not his.”
Sniff, sniff, sniff …………… Bullsheeeeeeiiiiiitttttt
https://www.phillyvoice.com/collecting-receipts-mike-lombardi-said-dumb-stuff-about-another-eagles-head-coaching-hire-nick-sirianni/
lol
He has a history of really bad takes
Anyone who can pull the Bus down like this (as if he were a charging bull) deserves to get in. Make it so! LONG overdue.
Then and now.
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If Calvin Munson isn’t a Dolphin next year, we riot.
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