Miami Dolphins – Where do we go from here?

There are so many moves the Miami Dolphins organization need to make, the most obvious one is hiring a new Head Coach, and having that Head Coach assemble an entire coaching staff. I liked Brian Flores. I liked his no nonsense personality, I liked his toughness. I didn’t like the staff he put together, and that includes revamping his staff last season. As the group Depeche Mode says, “Everything counts in large amounts”. Flores was the architect of a poor staff. I’m not picking on him because he’s gone, just stating the obvious. I can’t say whether his first season’s plan was just to work with guys familiar to him, or he simply had no NFL ties and took what he could get. In 2019, He brought both OC Chad O’Shea and DC Patrick Graham from the New England Patriots. In 2020, Flores tabbed long time NFL’er Chan Gailey, who was probably pretty sure he was never ever going to coach again, and named him OC. Not that Chan Gailey wasn’t qualified, but I’m sure Flores’ call was the ONLY call Chan Gailey received as far as NFL offers were concerned. Chan Gailey departs so in 2021, Flores has the brilliant idea of naming Co-OC’s (supposedly in order to keep any teams from stealing them away), so 2020 Tight Ends Coach George Godsey and 2020 Running Backs Coach Eric Studesville are promoted together to form the NFL’s first 2 headed Offensive Coordinator Duo. Sometimes having more is better, The Tucker had a center headlight in addition to the 2 common ones on either side of the front of the vehicle. The center headlight actually turned left when the car was turning left and right when the car was turning right. Ingenious! The Co-CO idea, not so much. The Dolphins offense was 22nd in the NFL scoring 20.1 PPG and if not for the defense setting up the offense so many times, it would have been considerably worse.

I’m going to recommend something I know many of you here won’t be in favor of. I can tell you, I’m not sure I’m in favor it myself. Hear me out though. You can build for now, or build for later. Instant gratification or long term success. Either can be satisfying. The problem with my recommendation is that one important step needs to happen before this can even be possible. Michigan Head Coach Jim Harbaugh needs to step down from his current post. If that happens, I think we should be the first, and most likely the last to offer him a Head Coaching position in the NFL. When you hire a guy from the college ranks, you get a guy who knows all the college players, what they’re capable of, who the right ones are for what they want to accomplish, on both sides of the ball. What you usually get is a guy who doesn’t know the NFL, and how to deal with NFL players. Not the case with Harbaugh, who has successfully run an NFL team, quite successfully I might add. From 2011-2014, Jim Harbaugh compiled a 44-19 record with the SF 49ers. He did that with 2 QB’s who were not considered upper echelon talents in Alex Smith and Colin Kaepernick. For some reference, Alex Smith was 19-31 in 5 seasons as the Niners QB. With Harbaugh, his first season was 13-3. His 2nd season was cut short due to injury but the Niners were 6-2-1 with Smith. So 19-2-1 for one and a half seasons after 19-31 in 5 without Harbaugh. We all know who took over after Alex Smith went down, my former crush Colin Kaepernick. No problem for Harbaugh. Kaepernick after taking over the helm went 5-2 and took the Niners to the playoffs. A huge upset 1st RD victory over the Green Bay Packers, 45-31 started an improbable run. The Niners then defeated the Atlanta Falcons 28-24 to earn a Super Bowl berth. The SF 49ers lost a thriller of a game, 34-31 to the Baltimore Ravens.

Still with me? My favorite MLB team the NY Mets made a very similar move recently. They decided to bring in a proven winner in Buck Showalter. Results have yet to be determined and if the bougy MLB Players Union doesn’t get it’s collective head out of its ass, we may not see a MLB season next year. The Mets have decided instead of hiring a young up and comer, they want to win NOW! Forget 3-5 years from now, NOW! They know Showalter knows exactly what he’s supposed to do in every and any situation, there’s nothing he hasn’t seen. The very same would go with Jim Harbaugh. I think it’s an extremely unique situation to be able to get a guy who is so in touch with the college game and all the players, yet has had tremendous NFL success as well. I say if Jim Harbaugh steps down as Michigan HC, Stephen Ross should fly one of his fucking planes as fast as they can fly and throw down some stacks of $$$$ to secure the best Head Coach for RIGHT NOW, the Dolphins can get. Personally, I think Harbaugh is a bit of a time bomb, and I have no idea how long he can last if he comes back to the NFL. My guess is it would be a similar gig to the Niners. He’d stay as long as they were winning. That’s not a terrible thing either. If for some reason he fails right off the bat, which I think is unlikely, he may try one more time. If he fails again I would think he’d step down and disappear and we’d probably want him to. I think if he does come back to the NFL, I think he’d be great for our team. Our defense would continue to flourish and he’d get Tua a run game if it killed him. Defense, running the ball, all the things we crave here. All that will make Tua better and more importantly, the Miami Dolphins better.

I’m open to other HC’s too, there are lots of ways to skin a cat. I actually don’t know how many ways there are and not sure why people think are so many ways to skin a cat, but there really are a lot of different avenues to explore in a Head Coach search. I’m sure Tom Garfinkel and Chris Grier are doing that as I type. Maybe it’s because I’m 58 now and my mortality is in the back of my mind. Who knows, maybe Mike McDaniel is the next Mike Tomlin. At 38 he’s a tad older than Tomlin was when he took over the Pittsburgh Steelers at the age of 35. To have continuity and longevity along with winning would be swell, but make no mistake about this my fellow Dolphins fans, the Miami Dolphins franchise is NOT the Pittsburgh Steelers franchise. The Steelers are steeped in tradition and their owner doesn’t flip-flop on their decisions. Since 1969, The Steelers had HC Chuck Knoll 1969-1991, Bill Cowher 1991-2006, then Mike Tomlin from 2007 – present. Not only do they have consistency, but they WIN. So do I crave the same? I would wait until we clean house of our current GM before heading out on that path, which is another strong reason I prefer Harbaugh. With Harbaugh at the helm, it’s gonna be his way or the HAR-way. If Chris Grier didn’t like Brian Flores, he’s gonna hate Harbaugh, because this would be his show, guaranteed. He won’t allow Grier to undermine him and his cachet dictates that he deserves as much. Unfortunately, Harbaugh may have no intentions of leaving his current post, but if he does . . .

To elaborate on some great news we got yesterday, I’d like to share that I also got to speak to Jon “Stanger” yesterday, and considering what that man has been through, I was absolutely shocked as to how great he sounded. As I’m typing now I’m literally getting goosebumps and tearing up because he literally sounded just like the old Stanger, and that’s not being kind, or overenthusiastic or wishful, that boy is BACK! Now he needs to get his body back to where his head is and he’ll be in better shape at the next Fest than he was at the last. He’s currently just dealing with atrophy from being in a bed so long, and I believe he will respond very well to rehab, both occupational and physical therapy. I have to give both Jon and his wife a lot of credit, they really clawed back from some tough odds. Maybe our Dolphins can do the same!

#stangerstrong

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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1,423 Responses to Miami Dolphins – Where do we go from here?

  1. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Does a young HC like Zac Taylor make you revisit the idea of a young 1st time HC?

  2. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    It’s kind of funny if you want Mike McDaniel as our HC, you’re basically hiring millennial dudes like this. LOL

  3. bookman11's avatar bookman11 says:

    GB is going to win the SB, I have a sick feeling

  4. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    Garropolo just made 2 excellent throws and came away with nothing

  5. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    Fucking Omar:
    “Most of the players I talk to privately acknowledge that there is some resentment built up because Tagovailoa was hyped up as this franchise’s savior, and ‘he’s no savior,’ as one Dolphins player puts it.”

    – Sun Sentinel’s Omar Kelly

  6. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Why these stupid coaches try that Joe high school try and get them to jump offsides move from their side of the field is beyond me, just punt the fn ball and pin them deep

  7. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    I haven’t been watching, did I miss anything?

  8. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Tannehill had a bad game but these guys are still assholes

  9. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Basically all it takes to be a sports writer now is bash the losing team and the losing QB and slob the knob of the winning QB

  10. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    Garropolo trying to do to much there

  11. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    When’s the last time you read Mando, Omar or Beasley and learned something?

  12. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Look at how tough it is to win in the playoffs.

  13. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Sure that was holding, but why don’t they call it earlier?

  14. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Wow!!!!

  15. sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

    crazy 40 seconds to end the half

  16. bookman11's avatar bookman11 says:

    Steve that was hilarious

  17. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Has Trey Lance played at all this season?

  18. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    They put an OL on motion? Is that legal?

  19. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    I just realized Joe Burrow was sacked 9 times

    Wow

  20. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Perfect spot for Austin Jackson
    6th OL off the bench

    Please some one salvage this guys career

  21. sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

    kind of crazy that they’re bringing back the USFL and XFL.

  22. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    How much do you guys think it would cost to sign
    Terron Armstead, Brandon Scherff and Ryan Jensen this off-season?

  23. bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

    Did the Packers turn up the snow machine during the 49er’s series or is it just me?

  24. bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

    OK, the play worked before with the OT in motion but instead of following him you try to go up the gut.

  25. bookman11's avatar bookman11 says:

    Ironically, I think the cold weather and conditions limit and hinder the Packers. Jmo

  26. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    It’s officially okay to be upset with Grier now

  27. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    I couldn’t watch a game in that shit

  28. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    I think SF is going to win this game

  29. bookman11's avatar bookman11 says:

    This game is awesome

  30. bookman11's avatar bookman11 says:

    Snow, cold, FOOTBALL!

  31. bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

    What’s our pick going to be now?????

  32. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Me watching this game

  33. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    He’s gonna break his foot on the ball

  34. sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

    Just goes to show you, that having an elite QB isn’t enough.

  35. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    Fucking Grier

  36. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    There you have it.

  37. Brian in NY's avatar Brian in NY says:

    Wow. This weekend’s games couldn’t have gotten off to a better start.

  38. bookman11's avatar bookman11 says:

    Wow. Sorry about the draft pick, but I love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  39. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    So what does SF do with Garropolo in the off season?

  40. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    None of the QBs won the game today. It was all lead by defense.

  41. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Brian and BBM, not saying Burrow didn’t play tough and good enough to win. But all 4 teams today didn’t score 20 points. How about some love for defense and STs. 🙂

  42. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    So now the new nonsense is Tua is a not a “savoir”. LOL

    • bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

      We wouldn’t be going through any of this if they had listened to me and drafted QB Anthony Gordon.

      Speaking of, I wonder what he is doing these days??? lol

    • sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

      That’s old nonsense

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        It’s just nonsense period. Why do other QB’s get to work out their issues, but our QB is hated for being a winner. At 13-8, you can hate him all you want and explain away that the defense was the only reason Tua won, whatever. Josh Allen was 15-12 after 2 seasons and he didn’t look great by any means, he looked average, with shitty accuracy, but some great physical skills, great running ability, powerful arm. Tua doesn’t have the running ability, he doesn’t have the powerful arm either, but once we get him a better O-line, a RB and another receiver or two, which is not asking for something unreasonable, I think Tua will flourish as well. The Bills did that for Allen, they got better up front and brought him one of the leagues best WR’s in Stefon Diggs. That changed everything for that offense. Tua has a better head on his shoulders and understands the defense he’s seeing better than Allen did at this juncture. I think Allen’s running could eventually be his achilles heel because he runs a lot, and at some point he’s going to get himself hurt.

  43. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    I was having trouble with WordPress, said my login token expired. Anyone get that here before?

  44. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    OD- I see Jeff was able to help you, glad to see you’re back on!

    Thanks Twice! Thanks Twice!

    • randydolfan1947's avatar randydolfan1947 says:

      AMEN, AMEN!! Thanks, Mike E., for coming to the rescue!!
      HERD: You can ignore my pleas for help on the email I sent you!

  45. randydolfan1947's avatar randydolfan1947 says:

    FIRST, kudos to Jeff, who got me back on this site! YOU DA’ MAN!! Mike E. picked the RIGHT GUY to help me.
    _____________________
    SOMEWHERE Howard Schnellenberger is smiling!
    Star Niner’s LB Aziz Al-Shaiar had a solid performance in the ’49er’s shocking upset of GB.
    And the Bengals’ Trey Hendrickson did what he could in Cincy’s upset win over the Titans.
    If form holds, Devin Singletary should have a strong day today against the Chiefs.
    Maybe there’s something to Coach Schnellenberger’s statement that the Dolphins need to attract at least ONE former FAU star footballer to get back to the Super Bowl??
    ———————————
    The Tampa area airwaves are loaded with speculation that both Brady AND head coach Bruce Arians will call it a career after this season. Brady, for his part, has not responded directly to questions about his future. “Gotta prepare for the upcoming game,” is his standard response.
    ——————————–
    BUCS’ best two O-Linemen, Tackle Tristan Wirfs and Center Ryan Jensen are both playing on “Wobbly Ankles” according to today’s TAMPA BAY TIMES. tHIS IS not GOOD NEWS FOR BRADY!
    IF the Rams pull the upset, only an NFC Champioship Game between them and the 49ers stands between the Rams HOSTING THE UPCOMING SUPER BOWL IN “Sci-Fi” Stadium! TWO YEARS IN A ROW for the SB winner playing in their home stadium???

  46. herdfan's avatar herdfan says:

    OD, I’m so sorry I didn’t see you were having issues. My email is overrun with spam, I have to know to look or I’ll miss it. If you want the old one back I can look at it. I don’t know you get anything from that so unless you want it you can roll with the new one.

    I haven’t seen this login token thing. We haven’t changed anything that I know of so it must be WordPress. 🤷🏼‍♀️

  47. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    In response to BBM above:
    Burrow had great numbers but I actually don’t think he played that great yesterday. Don’t get me wrong he is an excellent QB but yesterday was not a great game. They managed only 19 points of which 6 was a direct result of Tannehill giving them a short field. So really only 13 points from sustained drives. Much of that is he took 9 sacks primarily because he holds the ball so long. He still is an excellent QB and he did make a key pass to set up the winning FG but I don’t think yesterday was a great game by him

    • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

      Same argument we heard about Tua in most of his games this year

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        I think there is a difference in that Tua took less than 20 sacks all year. He has a lightning fast release compared to Burrow. I do think it can be said you have to risk those sacks to take the down field shots because some of them will pay off and for whatever reason we didn’t do enough if that

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        Saints game most recently. We scored 20, and all they could talk about after the game was Tua and the offense only scored 13 of that, Tua didn’t play that great, etc.

        What it didn’t take into account was being on the road, the quality of defense, how we kept the Saints having to drive long fields, the shyte oline, etc. A lot of the same things could be said about the Cincy/ Tenn game.

        With Burrow, he has a shyte oline, and they mentioned in the game how on some plays he didn’t have outlets because all pass catchers were in routes, so they were boom or bust type plays and he had to hold the ball to let plays develop. They kept the Titans having to drive long fields, etc.

        He made the plays he had to. I think people would be killing anyone that was saying the same things about Tua if we’d played yesterday’s game and won in the same fashion.

        “He went into Tennessee, put up big numbers and got a win. What more do you want?!”

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        LOL, my response was coming before you responded. But yeah, Tua has a different skill set, so he doesn’t take the sacks. The Bengals basically didn’t seem to care about the sacks. It worked yesterday, but they are going to get their QB killed.

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        Plus, since the Titans went for 2 and missed it, Cincy knew they had that game wrapped up in the 1st half 🤣🤣

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        Don’t get me wrong Cav. I am not knocking Burrow I just don’t think yesterday was a special performance but you are right he did enough to win and that should be good enough and it is very analogous to Tua against the Saints

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        I hear ya, Bro, and don’t disagree. The similarities to our games and Tua arguments just struck me.

  48. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    I know Doggy can’t get on the site

  49. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    Wow, just saw this. So we know the Packers special teams basically lost the game for them with a fg blocked and a punt blocked. Well apparently they also only had 10 men on the field for the game’s final fg…and they were coming off of a time out, lol.

    Not sure who their special teams coach is, but he’d be gone this offseason if I was HC.

  50. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    My only regret about GB losing is I don’t see SF being able to beat Tampa at Tampa and I fear that may open the door to another SB for Brady

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      Tampa has t; get past the rams forst

    • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

      My worst fear is Bills vs Cincy and Tampa vs Niners, because I won’t have anyone to root for…well, not my worst fear; that would be things with too many legs, like centipedes, crawling all over me, but it’s a fear that’s pretty up there.

      Really pulling for the Rams and KC today.

  51. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    I won’t be surprised if the Rams beat the Bucs.

  52. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    It has to be sort of frustrating for Packers fans. I mean, as Dolphins fans, we’d take that in a heartbeat, no question. But Favre and Rodgers back-to-back, and they only have 2 SBs between them.

  53. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    So we’re going to be selecting no earlier than R1P29… GREAT! Thank you, Chris Grier!!! I mean it!!! Fuck you very much!!! LOL

  54. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    Disappointing end to that drive

  55. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    Ken, yeah I see them as chokers too. Hoping they turn that around today.

  56. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    Suh with a stupid penalty. Where have I seen that before

  57. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    TD Rams nice!

  58. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    Woohoo Rams!!

  59. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Boom!!!

  60. bookman11's avatar bookman11 says:

    Plays like that look unfamiliar to me as a Dolphins fan.

  61. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    My COVID test finally came back… positive. It’s the Omicron variant, and it’s not so bad, y’all. Now if someone has preexisting ailments, it could be worse than it’s been for me, but seriously, it’s essentially the common cold.

    I’m doing fine, just under the weather a lil’ bit.

  62. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    Friendly reminder that Fournette is a 2022 FA.

  63. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    Poor Tommy has bloody lip

  64. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    M – Glad you’re feeling alright. Symptoms are and levels of discomfort are all over the place. My wife who has 2 shots and the booster had it like a flu for close to 2 weeks, she’s in her 50’s. A coworker with just 2 shots, no booster at 40 years old had a sniffle or two, that’s it. My workplace had 10 people out a couple of weeks ago, same time my wife got it. It was a surprise I didn’t catch it.

  65. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    Pretty hilarious Brady gets his first unsportsmanlike penalty ever the game after he talked about it in the press how he gets away with yelling at the refs and taunting his opponents more than other people. Certainly not a coincidence, lol.

  66. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    Woohoo!!

  67. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    Make NO mistake! I agree with Bookman that a penalty should have been called for roughing the passer on Lady*.

    However, I LOVE IT that he got a bloody lip and his first-ever unsportsmanlike conduct flag!!!
    HELL YEAH!!!

  68. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    And then the bloodied my lip…sniffle…and then they knocked me down again…and they got in the waaaaay…and they took my ball when I was trying to throw it to my guuuuy…

  69. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    BYE-BYE, LADY*!!!

  70. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    Bucs ball

  71. herdfan's avatar herdfan says:

    So rumors are TB might retire. I think if they went all the way he might. Go out on top. I don’t think he’ll like a game like this to be his last.

  72. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    The choke starts

  73. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    That constant replay of Tom Lady* shouting at the referee…

    Lady* (channeling his inner Chris Tucker): DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE BLOOD COMING OUT OF MY MOUTH!!!
    😆

  74. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Poor Tommy got a boo-boo. He’s gotten enough calls over the years, enough for all 32 other starters in the NFL combined. He deserves a good smack in the mouth! lol

  75. bookman11's avatar bookman11 says:

    I guess I must be in a major minority: Brady never bothered me, I have respect for his greatness and longevity. I hated when we lost to his teams, but I hated Jim Kelly for that also. I can’t wish injury on a person.

    • bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

      I respect his talent and what he has done but I won’t turn a blind eye to his crybaby attitude over his career either.

      It’s a bloody lip bookman. IMO, that shit is funny right there! It’s football

      • bookman11's avatar bookman11 says:

        I get that. It was more of a comment about ANY injury, not the bloody lip. I am sure he will recovery 😃

  76. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Nice throw by Stafford

  77. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Bookman, the hate started with the tuck rule. They made up a fucking rule because he fumbled. They totally jobbed the Raiders. It’s possible his entire career would have gone differently if the Raiders won that game, and they rightfully should have

  78. bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

    I think, with what Brady said, this was the refs way of saying, “It’s football, STFU and play football”.

  79. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    I just reflexively expect a flag on any good return. Glad there wasn’t

  80. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    Yes! Big TD Rams. Bucs need a drive here or this may be over early in the 4th

  81. bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

    Rams brought in some key FA’s to make their team a win now force

  82. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    They also made a rule for Brady after he got from a low hit. Plenty of other QBs took those hits without any rule changes

  83. bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

    I understand that Brady was probably more pissed about the bloody lip than not getting the penalty. He knows Gisele won’t kiss him now until the scab is gone.

  84. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Rams v 49rs feels like the 80s

  85. bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

    I hate prevent defense. Especially doing it as early as 3rd qtr.

  86. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    I’m really enjoying watching that pocket collapse on Brady all day long, lol.

  87. bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

    Y’all ready for pick #31 or #32? 49er’s own the Rams this year beating them both times

  88. manitobafinfan's avatar manitobafinfan says:

    o shit

  89. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    WTF Kupp?????????????????????????

  90. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    Here comes the choke

  91. manitobafinfan's avatar manitobafinfan says:

    Damn

  92. bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

    What was that Ken said earlier about the Rams???

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