Sorry Dolphins fans, this Free Agency thing has left me deflated and disappointed. To be fair, Free Agency isn’t over yet, but up to this point, I haven’t seen anything that to make me feel optimistic about our chances for the playoffs this season. It’s not about grabbing big names, if you know me, I’m not that provincial, but I’m very uninspired with what I’ve seen from Chris Grier and Co. as so far. We re-signed a bunch of players, and I’m thrilled we got a contract done with DE Emmanuel Ogbah. He was an absolute necessity, a huge part of our defense and having him along with Jaelan Phillips should be an even more dangerous combo this season as Phillips learns and grows. After Ogbah though, I feel like we almost got complacent. Plus, Ogbah was here already, we just managed to retain him. So where are the upgrades we desperately needed?
We got some feel good re-signs like Elandon Roberts, Sam Eguavoen, Brennan Scarlett and Duke Riley, but if I sure wouldn’t have minded instead of re-signing every single LB that was on our roster that maybe subtract 2 or 3 or 4 of those guys and get Bobby Wagner. Wagner would be an immediate upgrade over any and every LB we re-signed. I want to elevate, not levitate. It’s not like we had the best defensive unit in the NFL and just had to keep it intact. Far from it. We were a decent defense, better than average, although right in the middle of points allowed. At the moment, Bobby Wagner is still available. He’s such a quality individual, he would have to be one of the captains, a guy teammates would look up to. He would make our defense better, and while #55 Baker had a fine season again last year, he’d be ever better with Wagner, everyone would.
Time for the meat and potatoes. Ah yes, the O-line. So far we have Connor Williams, who is a a talented yet flawed player, not too unlike 4/5 of our O-line before he got here. He’s further along than our current crop perhaps with the exception of RG Robert Hunt. He did have a propensity for flags last season and that needs to be fixed. He’s a very good run blocker and fits what we want to do here. I still feel like Austin Jackson and Liam Eichenberg will be our LT and RT respectively. Unless of course we sign Terron Armstead, but I don’t see that happening. I still feel like we need an upgrade on the interior, specifically C. It’s possible that upgrade come via the draft in Tyler Linderbaum, but would be willing to trade up to get him?
We had a bunch of re-signs for position players too, Preston Williams returns for a show me season. Former Dolphins (and 49ers) RB Raheem Mostert also returns. We gave former Cardinals RB Chase Edmonds a nice 2 year contract. He does however scream RUNNING BACK BY COMMITTEE, and that’s fine, but we seem to pine for an upgrade every single season but it never seems to come. Besides that, I feel the need to point out that we have been just atrocious in our record of free agent running back signings, beyond awful really. Jordan Howard, Matt Breida (He was a trade), and Malcolm Brown. The production of those 3 probably doesn’t add up to what Myles Gaskin gave us last season. Now to the WR’s. Cedrick Wilson. He could be a decent player but upgrade? I mean big upgrade? Wilson played primarily on the slot but can play outside as well. He had two 100 yard games, but take into account that Dak Prescott threw for 4449 yards last season, not impressive. He was #4 in targets last year, behind Cee Dee Lamb, Amari Cooper, and Michael Gallup. He finished the season with 602 yards and 6 TD’s on 45 receptions. Not bad, but like most of the signings except Ogbah and Gesicki, is not bad what our anemic offense needs? It’s true that this draft is chock full of WR talent, and one of them will undoubtedly be available at #29, but then you kiss Tyler Linderbaum goodbye. My point is, unless we fix either the WR situation in FA, or the O-line in FA, it’s going to be difficult to expect both of those to be addressed properly via the draft with our current draft position. Do we trade away future assets, or players in order to do that? It’s possible.
We definitely upgraded our backup QB situation signing QB Teddy Bridgewater. I always liked Bridgewater, he’s a gamer. He’ll be a good guy for Tua to lean on. I like the FB signing of Alec Ingold although he is coming off an ACL tear November 16, 2021. He’s a team captain and a guy that will be a spark in the offense. We also signed former 49ers WR Trent Sherfield who is mostly a ST’s player. Remember, we lost WR Mack Hollins to the Raiders. If you’re looking for positives, OG Connor Williams is a very strong run blocker. FB Alec Ingold is also a strong run blocker but again, we need to add more talent on the O-line and in the RB corps. Chase Edmonds, Raheem Mostert, Myles Gaskin, Salvon Ahmed and Gerrid Doaks. Which one of these guys does the opposing defense worry about running the ball? I’d like one guy that the defense thinks about before the game “Man, I really hate tackling that due, he’s physical”. That guy isn’t on our roster.
If you subtract the re-signs, you have to be underwhelmed by what we’ve done. I like the Connor Williams signings and while I have a La’el Collins chiffon robe that has never been worn, I don’t think I’ll get that opportunity. He’s probably going to the Bengals to win. Speaking of winning, the Bills signed Von Miller to a monster 6 year contract. Think we need to fix the O-line? Let’s just play in fantasy land for a moment and say La’el Collins doesn’t feel the love ($$$) from the Bengals and we somehow snatch him up. My guess would be the O-line would be as such:
LT Austin Jackson
LG Connor Williams
C Michael Deiter (Or Tyler Linderbaum?)
RG Michael Hunt
RT La’el Collins
That wouldn’t be bad, especially if you sub Linderbaum for Deiter. Back to the defense for a second. Now that we have every single LB we had last season after re-signing THREE, how about getting Bobby Wagner?
LDE Emmanuel Ogbah
NT Raekwon Davis
RE Christian Wilkins
WLB Andrew Van Ginkel
LILB Bobby Wagner
RILB Jerome Baker
SOLB Jaelan Phillips
CB Xavien Howard
CB Byron Jones
S Jevon Holland
S Brandon Jones
Doesn’t that look, and feel good? Seriously, give Bobby a nice front loaded contract and if his play declines after a couple of years, it won’t hurt at that time. It’s NOT about making a splash, that would legitimately be a big upgrade on defense. He’s such a smart, instinctive player and a high character, high motor individual. I would really like that.
Now for the bad? news . . . The WR corps.
DeVante Parker, Jaylen Waddle, Cedrick Wilson, Lynn Bowden Jr., Allen Hurns, Preston Williams, Trent Sherfield, River Cracraft, Cody Core and DeVonte Dedmon. Isaiah Ford is a Free Agent. Can you ever really expect DeVante Parker to play healthy for a full season? NO! I love to watch Parker when he’s healthy, he’s a game changer. Maybe that happens 5 or 6 games a season. Will Allen Hurns survive cutdowns? Probably not. Preston Williams is a DeVante Parker in clone healthwise, he can’t stay healthy either. In other words, it’s Waddle, Wilson and who????? I feel like our 1st and 2nd RD picks have to be used on C/WR/RB. But that’s THREE! We only have 2. Say we traded one of our future 1st RD picks from 2023, where we have two. We pick up Tyler Linderbaum at 29, then trade up to the next spot and take Jameson Williams and then with our next pick we take either Kenneth Walker or Breece Hall. Now you’re talking, right?! Don’t bet on it. There’s still a chance to improve this team, Free Agent C’s J.C. Tretter and Bradley Bozeman are available. Bobby Wagner is also out there. Make us smile, make us better!
#stangerstrong
GO DOLPHINS!!!!
Finsmob Unleashed 
Maybe, just maybe, with expectations low, we are high achievers this year. It’s usually completely the other way around.
Draft well and a couple more FAs and all’s well. I’m really pleased with what we’ve done in FA.
Besides the re-signs – Which signings are you happy about and why?
Son and everyone else — below are the home games next season. I’ll fight to the death against Packers, Steelers and Pats if they fall in the window, but all else seem doable. Even a lot of cold weather teams whose fans might be looking for sunshine. Which also means early on heat games should be all the more that.
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Buffalo Bills (AFC East division rival)
New England Patriots (AFC East division rival)
New York Jets (AFC East division rival)
Cleveland Browns (AFC North)
Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC North)
Green Bay Packers (NFC North)
Minnesota Vikings (NFC North)
Houston Texans (AFC South 3rd place)
Game dates aren’t out yet, right? Don’t we have to wait and see who we play and when?
Yes date is more important for me than the opponent
Yep — think schedule comes out in May, but we normally have 2-3 games that fall in the normal Fest window of Oct to 2nd game in Nov. And no London game this year.
Just talking about dates that might be a no go as far as ticket prices. Remember that one year you and someone else wanted the Steelers cause had friends that would come down? Reality set in right quick.
I really like the Connor Williams signing and the Cedrick Wilson signing. I am also glad that we are not pursuing our old of trying to get the big shiny object which has never worked for us. That said I still think more needs to be done to address the OL. Until we do that and or wait to see what we do in the draft our off season grade is incomplete
It’s not about shiny, it’s about upgrading talent and finding better players that fit what we want to do. If you think Cedrick Wilson is better than what we had last season, fine. I hope Connor Williams is, I do believe he will be. Do you expect Wilson to do more than he did last season? I’m not busting, I just want to see what you think he can do for us
Also curious, do you think Bobby Wagner would be a shiny, or a real upgrade?
I think Wilson is an ascending talent and is better than anyone on our roster from last year with exception of Waddle and Parker
I do think Wagner is a shiny upgrade
Man Mike E — you put in not just your normal good write but a lot of time into that one. I’m not nearly as down as you, but first impression is that you didn’t even talk about keeping Gesicki. Yeah was a tag instead of FA signing, but in a cap world isn’t that about the same thing?
Sorry — you did mention Gesicki in passing.
Not thrilled that we tagged him, I would have preferred a contract, Makes it seem like we’re not really sure we want to keep him. We made it clear with Ogbah we want him long term.
Ken is right. For me, Teddy B with that contract is a steal. Tua gets hurt and we just keep on truckin. LG Williams crucial to partner with Hunt. Wilson Jnr. promising slot guy to release Wassle to the outside. Edmonds and Mostert are an upgrade on Lindsay and Gaskin. Achmad will also suit the new scheme. OC is the key TBD. ILB to be found. OT, we can stay with the young guys and coach them up if no vets wanna come to us.
Teddy Bridgewater was a great sign, but on that same token, I hope he never plays, because that means Tua is healthy and playing well.
If I was to set the priorities
OT
ILB
C
I would rather go with Dieter at Center next year than Davis at RT!!!!!!!
The STUD we got back is OGBAH.Think carefully on this. There is no-one to replace him in FA. The draft DEs are going to go way too early for us and most of them are rushers who need to learn to run stuff. Again we got him on a great deal.
I made it clear we needed Ogbah, but he was here last year.
Wyo…
OC
OT
ILB
for me.
Dieter is good depth, Davis on the 1st bus outta town.
Stanger,
That was me, and I actually went to the Steelers game with my buddy, then flew down for the fest game against Buffalo the following week. Ajayi rushed for 200 towards in back to back games and I was there for both. Plus the Dolphins won them both! That was in 2016, and started our run to our last playoff appearance.
Two great games and props to you for the back to back. Hope you can make it this year.
But folks have to realize when it comes to the Fest and ticket prices, I’m a Walmart shopper. Plus those teams tend to be worse. Big drop in the energy post-game when we lose.
Also Mike E, I’m fine with our 5 WR’s being DeVante Parker, Jaylen Waddle, Cedrick Wilson, Preston Williams and Lynn Bowden Jr. Each of them has starter in them to me. Plus maybe a 6th mainly there for special teams. Also one of the things about using a full back is that you need less wideouts.
I actually omitted Bowden Jr. The problem with counting on these guys is Parker is almost a guarantee to either be hobbled or miss a half a dozen games. Add in another 8 games of the same for Preston Williams. Bowden Jr. didn’t even play last season. That’s a lot of hope and praying right there. lol
The just call me Tim. 🙂
Parker, Williams, and Bowden haven’t been able to stay on the field. Wilson has been a role player his entire career. How are they starters in your eyes?
Almost all of Wilson’s pretty good stats came in the 4 games he started last year. Gave him a bullet and why we gave him much as we did. So yeah starter in my eyes. We could argue about Preston and Bowden, but both are at least mighty fine back-ups who have flashed when on the field. And the new O should be a great fit for Bowden.
I’m on board with you Mike. Aside from Williams, we have just replaced guys who have produced for our team with guys who might produce for our team.
A successful offseason for me would have been to re-sign Ogbah, Gesicki, Smythe, Duke, Lindsay, Hollins, and Ford. Grab a difference maker at WR and LB in FA then 2-3 vets for the line at C, G, and T. We’ve taken half measures and are hoping that coaching is the huge difference. We need both coaching and talent.
Apparently, some feel Ced Wilson is a difference maker and that re-signing all our LB’s is good enough. I think Bobby Wagner would elevate our defense, even at 32. He had a 170 tackles last year, 93 solo. His 93 solo is more than any Dolphins defender COMBINED tackle number for some reference.
Also, I haven’t seen where we brought back Duke Johnson. Am I missing something?
In the past we threw money at guys who weren’t going to help our team because they were me-first guys looking for paydays or they weren’t worth the contract. Bobby Wagner will help this team. It’s not even comparable to contracts given to guys we’ve given in the past. It’s smart money.
Couldn’t agree more. Nothing shiny about Wagner, he’s just a great player on a unit that could use a great player. We have a lot of good players, and maybe one great one in X, so maybe it’s time to stop overrating what we actually have. there’s a reason X goes to the Pro Bowl alone every year!
SB – I think I whiffed on Duke Johnson. I was researching all our signings and I think I found an old link about us signing Duke
Actually, it was Duke Riley I saw for 1YR/$3M
Stanger – Yes, Steelers and Packers fans do a Hard Rock takeover so to speak. Has to be different teams for sure.
Mike,
Wilson Jr. very well could be a difference maker, but when I watched his film, I didn’t see much of a difference of what we had in Ford. Their measurables are even similar.
FORD
6’2, 201lbs, arms 32 3/4, hands 9/14 6.2 grade predraft
Forty 4.61, Bench 14, Vert 35.5 Broad jump 127, 3 cone 6.94, 20 shuttle 4.34
Cedrick Wilson Jr.
6.2, 197 lbs, Arms 31 1/2, Hands 9 3/4, 5.9 grade predraft
Forty 4.55, Bench 9, broad jump 127, 3 cone 6.89, 20 shuttle 4.23
Plus Ford is built Ford tough. Hopefully Cedrick entertains us.
Your Picks:
Round 2 Pick 11 (ATL): Breece Hall, RB, Iowa State (A)
Round 2 Pick 18: John Metchie, WR, Alabama (A)
Round 3 Pick 10 (ATL): Damone Clark, ILB/OLB, LSU (A+)
Round 3 Pick 37 (COMP): Boye Mafe, DE/OLB, Minnesota (A+)
Round 4 Pick 16: Dawand Jones, OT, Ohio State (A+)
Round 4 Pick 20: Alec Pierce, WR, Cincinnati (A+)
Round 5 Pick 8 (ATL): Matt Hankins, CB, Iowa (A+)
Round 5 Pick 15: Colin Newell, C/OG, Iowa State (A+)
Round 6 Pick 20: Matt Araiza, P, San Diego State (A+)
Round 7 Pick 3: Jeremiah Hall, FB/RB, Oklahoma (A+)
Seems folks think Ced runs a 4.2 forty. I’m not sure where we increased all that speed. Edmonds? Mostert? Where?
It’s ok!
We know you put on your curmudgeon suit this morning! 😉
He’s tall, gets open and still gets great YAC. Don’t care how fast he runs so long as does the same for us.
LOL @ Wyo – every day bud! 🙂
We replaced Phillip Lindsay’s 4.39 speed with Mostert’s 4.34, and replaced Duke Johnson’s 4.59 with Chase Edmond’s 4.55 (although Johnson ran a 4.47 at his pro day).
I am in wait and see mode on all of this (FA and Draft). No matter how we rate this, the proof is in the pudding. (Performance on the field) I hate FA and draft grades…etc.
I give this post a B. 😉
That’s funny!
It’s great that they support each other!
It is, I dig it!
Awesome, He is our BEST blocking TE.
I could see Cethan Carter released if they start clearing some cap money.
I love this.
Mike, everyone has their own opinions and feelings about our team. I didn’t expect us to sign big name guys even if maybe a wanted a few. But Ogbah was one of those and even though he was already on our team it makes it seem like we didn’t add any major additions. But if we had let him walk it would feel worse. I’m kind of just looking at what we did and seeing the plan. Not getting too high or two low.
I know many of us were looking for more vet OL help. Maybe we still do, but the draft is still in play and even though our OL was really young and struggled, I don’t think the team looks at it that way right or wrong. The draft is still going to be a big deal for us. Then a lot of it comes down to performance on the field and a big part of that is Tua. The coaches having his back is a big deal and I do think our offense will be better. I think we have a better structured coaching staff on offense that all come from the WCO principles so they’re on the same page. Flores changed his OC and OL coach every year which wasn’t much of a plan.
So that’s what I’m banking my optimism on.
I don’t mind optimism. I just ask what moves we made that make you feel optimistic and why because I want to try and see something I might be missing, besides just supporting the team. I’m not challenging anyone, I just want to see the other side’s viewpoint
Not sure about a reason for optimism rather than the way was to be expected, but most of the signings on O’s are guys who fit right into the San Fran O McDaniel ran before.
There we go.
That seems like a lot of money for him. I like him as a player, but is he worth $4 million? Apparently he is.
Cool that we re-signed Smythe. He does a lot of things at TE.
Tim – What are your thoughts on signing Bobby Wagner?
I’d love to have him but I don’t see him signing with us.
Another thing with what I said earlier is that part of FA is not losing a bunch of players. I think there is real value in keeping a team together, especially one that seems to like playing with each other. We’re building on what we started. We haven’t done that much in recent years. We always seemed to just add new and churn the roster and direction year after a year. That never worked.
The offense needed to change and it’s happening. I don’t think we’re done. Our RB room is better and I think Cedrick Wilson is an ascending player. I expect other young players like Waddle and maybe a guy like Bowden to get better too. Again, a lot of it will be about Tua taking his game to another level.
Mike,
In regards to Gesicki, I don’t think it a matter of whether or not we’d like to keep him long term. He’s been very vocal about being a “slot receiver”, which means he wants to be paid better than a TE. I’m sure they knew they couldn’t come to terms on a long term deal, but this gives us time to work one out. I think it will get done eventually.
That’s fair
Need good blocking TE’s in this system and Smythe is that. And showed a lot more as a passing option last year. Plus with him on the roster Gesicki is more likely to give us that home town discount if we want him long term.
Good points.
Some brutal numbers for last year’s guys except for Hunt and Dieter. Makes an argument for going T instead of C.
Bryan, I think 4 mil is a good price for Smythe. He proved he is a decent and reliable receiving TE. He is our best blocking TE, by far. I mean, we are paying Cethan Carter 2.5 mil.
Haha! I would think Carter get cut soon; he won’t cost us anything against the cap.
I don’t know what to think about Carter. He didn’t do much as a receiver since he’s been here. He is a good blocker and STs player but not sure if he’s a fit now.
If we needed money to sign Wagner, we can get relief by releasing Hurns, Rowe, Carter and Little. That’s over $10M this season
Exactly and you are able to keep Butler on the DL.
I think Carter and Little are gone for sure
Devante Adams blew up the WR market. Don’t forget the Raiders also gave up first and second rounders.
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“The top of the market for a new multiyear deal was $20 million per season, which we saw for Amari Cooper, Mike Williams and Chris Godwin. Adams has moved that all the way to $28.5 million per season.”
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Makes a case for:
1 — getting a quality WR high up in the draft, like we did with Waddle.
2– signing a mostly unproven one with a bullet for far less like we did with Cedrick Wilson, or
3 – keeping an injury prone one with proven talent like we have so far with Parker.
Stanger – One thing about having to pay great players is that you have great players! Seems like you’re saying better to have players you can’t count on and ones that don’t command high salaries. That’s why we miss the playoffs every year! lol
Just in case you’re not sure, I get your point and it’s valid, but I sure would like to have a lot of great players to have to pay because with great players having great seasons usually coincides with playoff berths.
We don’t have to pay anyone yet because many of our good players are on rookie deals. That’s how we’re built right now.
In my mind giving up #12 last draft and our first in this one in this one (#15) for Waddle was paying for at least potential greatness. And no sign he won’t be just that.
Yeah it’s about landing really good players, not just having picks. Teams are trading picks away like giving out candy these days.
We are up to 69 players on the roster. Not sure where our cap is after the Smythe signing.
We need to improve this roster. It’s as simple as that. We do not have the players on this roster to win a championship, IMO. I think we need better talent at WR, LB, OL, Edge and RB….and possibly even QB depending on how Tua develops. Now, that’s without taking into account the FAs we just signed. None of us know how they will perform here, so I’m not gonna take them into account right now. Still, I don’t think any FA we signed or kept is the sort of player who’s gonna be elite or a game changer. We have very average talent, for the most part.
Phillips could be that Edge guy this year. When you’re mostly built through the draft like we are, you have to give them some time to take the next steps. I mean we won 10 and 9 games as these young players develop. Shouldn’t they get better? I also don’t think RB is a big need anymore, especially in the scheme we run which is very RB friendly. That’s been its reputation forever. You don’t need elite to be productive.
I agree completely….lol
I miss the days of the Jets always being in cap hell. They really fixed their shit since all of T-baum’s shit has come off the books. They have the least amount of dead money in the NFL. Dolphins are second. They still have 31 mil of cap space (top 51) with the most players singed in the NFL at 78 under contract for 2022. In comparison, we are 4th with 69. They have already had a good free agency and on top of that they have 9 picks in rounds 1-5.
1st Rd #4, #10
2nd Rd #35, #38
3rd Rd #69
4th Rd #111, #117
5th Rd #146, #163
I also hated the sites 3 round mock for them:
4 Kayvon Thibodeaux EDGE | Oregon
10 Derek Stingley Jr. CB | LSU
35 Jahan Dotson WR | Penn State
38 Christian Harris LB | Alabama
69 Damone Clark LB | LSU
They are rebuilding the right way. We didn’t and now we are trying to piece it together.
It took them at a lot longer than the Tannenbaum era. They’ve had 3 GMs since he was there.
The Jets are following the same plan we’ve been doing since 2019.
I love Dotson to the jets😜
Tim,
Phillips might be that guy, but we don’t know that yet. Without counting Edmonds, our RB talent is completely forgettable. We’ll see how they do this year. Getting this new system…or at least what we think they’ll do….installed and running smoothly is not going to be an easy or quick process because it is based on proper technique and coordinated execution that usually takes a lot of practice time to get right. Not so much for the RBs but for everybody else.
Phillips showed me plenty to believe he’s on his way.
We signed RB Raheem Mostert who knows the system. I know there is a lot of work to be done on offense, but it has to start. I’m not saying we’re championship ready but I do think we can be a good team.
BY BY Backer
Wow now he goes to the Browns.
Including
Only Cleveland
Lol…yep
Sorry he stayed in the AFC. Before was all but certain he was going to the Saints or Falcons.
All I can say is I hope he sucks balls for the Browns. Actually, I would hope he sucks balls wherever he went, nothing personal against the Browns. Now Florio can’t talk about the Dolphins needing to get Watson anymore.
Now Florio will just say we should have and we made a mistake. But who cares what he says, he’s annoying as fuck.
Holy fuckin ouch!!
Damn! Is Mike Tanenbaum with Cleveland now? lol
So I keep checking to see if Lael or amrstead have signed anywhere bc Dolphins are freaking out like we messed up free agency
And they are still free agents right?
At this time yes.
The Browns signed both of them. They only have 3 players on their roster now though, Watson, Armstead and Collins. lol
The browns are going to regret that
Yeah it’s about landing really good players, not just having picks. Teams are trading picks away like giving out candy these days.
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Some are, some aren’t as much. Grier tries to get too cute with that shit, IMO. Look where it has gotten us this year as far as draft position. Only 3 of 8 picks this draft are our own. Yeah, we have 8 picks, but only 2 in the top 100. The other 6 are in the bottom 150ish.
Next draft, we are set up very well with 4 picks in the top 50 or 5 picks in the top 81. Watch this coming draft how they fuck that up also. I am not talking about the Waddle deal. They didn’t have to trade up for Eich or Long.
Okay we’ll see. For me this all comes down to coach McD being what he’s projected to be. Also Tua has to be the guy, our QB. If those two fail, then we’ll be starting over in a few years.
Schefter also reported that Watson is getting a “full-time and specialized team-paid” massage therapist in the deal.
So you get accused of sexual misconduct involving 22 women and sit out a year of playing even though you are eligible to play and now you get a raise.
Right? I hope he’s suspended for 2 years. How bout Chris Cuomo suing for $125M for wrongful firing? Talk about assholes getting money for nothing
It’s shit like this that keeps me employed
LOL @ Hulk – True dat!
Heard Watson got his chicks for free too
We live in a crazy world.
Charles Robinson@CharlesRobinson
Source says the #Texans will be acquiring three first round picks and two additional picks – on day two or three – from the #Browns for Deshaun Watson. Five total picks, including three first rounders.
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Maybe this is what Armstead was waiting for?
To go where? Cleveland just blew a whole lot of cap.
And it’s Cleveland
The Browns have a good OL, not sure they’re in the market for Armstead.
I was thinking that if he’s not going to NO that Armstead might bail now?
Maybe he likes Naw’leans gumbo, crawfish ettofee and oyster Po’boys. I sure do.
But New Orleans is in cap hell and still don’t have a QB worthy of him protecting. All depends on what he is looking for.
Sign Gesicki to, say a 4 yr deal, and we can save 5m+ depending on signing bonus
1m salary + 1/4 of his signing bonus
BBM, we can also use next year’s draft to make trades in this year’s draft. But when I brought that up most here said nah. Why? Because that will screw up everyone’s mock draft simulations in 2023? LOL
I mentioned that in this article as well. I want to be better NOW daddy! LOL
I know. I felt like I helped you write the article. 😉
I think it’s retarded to give away next year’s picks, unless we’re going for a QB or we’re 1 player away from an SB
You’re not giving them away, you’re targeting a prospect that’s high on your board that you feel makes you a better team this year. I’m not saying trade them all. But it could help us land two immediate impact players. But I guess we can just keep looking to the future.
“Why should we help them? They can row home. Or use a sail.”
— Norwegian oil supplier Sven Holmlund on a Russian oligarch’s super yacht stranded in his port cause no one will refuel it.
LOL
👍👍
We have lots of fringe WRs on the roster, that you could make a case for any one of them making it, should be a competitive camp
We can also draft another one. When thinking about WRs you have to count Gesicki in that because he’s a “receiver”.
So you want to draft a fringe WR and you think Gesicki is a fringe WR
Tim – Did you say you wanted to trade one of our future picks to add a 3rd pick in the either the 1st or 2nd RD? We must really be in sync!
I don’t remember exactly what I said but I’ll try to duplicate it. Let’s say we want Tyler Linderbaum to be our Center but do not think he’ll be there at #29. We trade our 3rd and maybe a mid round pick to move up into the teens. Then we trade back into the 1st with our 2nd and one of our 1st round picks next year to land a WR we really like.
I know people get nuts about trading picks, but it’s about adding players, not just having picks with a # attached to it. We would still have a 1st next year. Do we want to wait until our young players all become FAs and we have to replace a bunch of them, or would we like to start adding to it and win now? That’s the benefit of accumulating draft picks, it gives you lots of options to get better.
Gotcha – I totally agree. I’m past the point of being afraid to use picks. If we can get 3 special players in rounds 1 and 2 that we want by giving up a future pick, I won’t care.
Right, that’s where I’m at.
TIm, if we were to trade a 2023 second round pick for a 2022 3rd, I would be for that. I just don’t like giving up multiple picks to move up for a player who would have probably been there at the original pick, like Eich and Long.
See my response to Mike E. above. It really isn’t that painful.
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Terron Armstead, La’el Collins, Trent Brown, Duane Brown, Eric Fisher remain unsigned
Free Agency isn’t over yet, but up to this point, I haven’t seen anything that to make me feel optimistic about our chances for the playoffs this season.
Why didn’t Tampa win the SB again this year? They had all the same players
Players are important, but chemistry and cohesion are as well
The last 3 years we started with our feet stuck in the mud, so why not try building on what we had, without taking a step back?
Thing is, we’re really not building on what we had, we’re changing the entire offense. The defense will likely be very similar, but it’s not like there’s any continuity.
Not really, but changes needed to be made on offense.
How would there be no continuity on defense? It’s mostly the same players.
Tim, I was talking about the offense. I can see how I worded it you would think I meant the defense but I meant no continuity on offense
Tua’s future list!
if I sure wouldn’t have minded instead of re-signing every single LB that was on our roster that maybe subtract 2 or 3 or 4 of those guys and get Bobby Wagner. Wagner would be an immediate upgrade over any and every LB we re-signed. I want to elevate, not levitate.
What do those signings have to do with Wagner, he can’t take the place of 4 guys? Maybe he doesn’t want to play for us
OK, we wouldn’t have signed Elandon Roberts if we got Wagner. Depth you can get after, find someone special for a change. It’s definitely possible he doesn’t want to play for us but we have to ask first to find out.
Maybe we reached out to Wagner and he said no and that’s why we re-signed 4 LBs the next couple of days. At least we know them and they know the system.
And we can still sign him, but it won’t be front loaded, that would be insane
Not bad, but like most of the signings except Ogbah and Gesicki, is not bad what our anemic offense needs?
Yes, as long as we get the OL fixed the receivers we have are good enough
Now if Jameson is there at 29 I’m running to the podium
OK, we’ll talk after week 8, when Parker has missed 3 or 4 games and played hurt in 2 or 3 others, and teams double Waddle and shut him down. I think our receiving corps has a lot more questions than answers. Not sure how you can confidently feel different. Hope is one thing, but realistic is another.
Because they moved the ball pretty good at times despite the OL, so having a better running game and more time to throw would make the WRs better, hence as long as we get the OL fixed
. Chase Edmonds, Raheem Mostert, Myles Gaskin, Salvon Ahmed and Gerrid Doaks. Which one of these guys does the opposing defense worry about running the ball?
Mostert can be that guy, but we don’t need that guy, we just need to run when we need to, including run to score in close, keep D honest and pick up short 1st downs
All true if the O-line is good to excellent. If it’s average or below average, sometimes a very good player can still be effective, even when the O-line isn’t its best. Now I can’t say if Kenneth Walker or Breece Hall will be that player, but we don’t have that player right now.
Tim,
People only get upset when we trade picks for players who didn’t deserve the resources used.
Right if it doesn’t work out it sucks! But it’s about players, not just picks. Having lots of picks gives fans a sense of fantasy as we see with the mock draft simulators.
Ken says:
March 18, 2022 at 4:11 pm
So you get accused of sexual misconduct involving 22 women and sit out a year of playing even though you are eligible to play and now you get a raise.
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He’s going to Cleveland without any wide receivers. Sounds like a fitting punishment to me.
🤣 so true
That Cleveland deal is really special. Really special. Watson will probably be suspended for 6-8 games. So they are paying him $230 million for about 4.5 years. He’s 29-29 as a starter. Cleveland just lost OBJ and Landry (but added Cooper). They play in an decent division so he could make them great. I don’t know how with the AFC West being so loaded though. I also hope he gets injured and he really has zero reason to play if he has a minor injury and they haven’t been winning. Just a dumb deal but it’s Cleveland.
Mike, there will be some continuity on offense because we still have a bunch of guys from last year. We needed some new blood and we’re not done yet. The entire system is going to change so there will definitely be some growing pains, but we had that last season all year long. None of us wanted that same offense again.
As for the OL I think the new coaches may see potential in some of our young guys that fit how we’re going to play. It’s hard for many of us to have faith in it, but they see stuff we don’t see. Nobody on this blog is breaking down the snaps of every OL on this team with a professional eye. The coaches have done that because they’re paid to do it. They might have said what were they trying to do on these plays? Yeah we won’t be doing stuff like that.
Turn those frowns upside down, Buckaroos! Miami is going to have a perfect season encore this year!
I’m against trading away top future picks (1st and 2nds) in this draft. First cause we ain’t there yet (so my picks up top would be BPA at areas of need now and for next season). Second. we still don’t know about Tua for sure yet.
We are building a solid base, but if Tua doesn’t work out gonna need all the draft trading stock we can muster. Tua blows it up this season in the new O…. then we can start spending like drunken sailors.
My sentiments as well
We ain’t there yet because building through the draft for the most part takes a few years. We’ve been doing that. We act like we’ve been going 4-12 and 5-12 the last 2 years. We’ve knocked on playoffs door the last too seasons. Why not try to get through it instead of more “well we have picks next year” that will surely be the one. You can’t rebuild forever.
The entire organization is behind Tua now. That has not been the case since he’s been here. Keeping picks for just in case he fails does not mean you find that guy either. How about using them to give him the best chance to succeed.
The Browns just traded for Watson. They don’t have multiple 1st round picks in any year, they traded away 3 years of them. We could do the same thing if Tua fails.
Cause I want to over time build a team than can at least compete for the playoffs every year like the Pats and Steelers have done in the past. I prize that goal over throwing all caution to the wind with an uncertain QB and what looks like a fringe playoff roster for next season.
And building that organization doesn’t stop you from going all in when the window presents. But that window is not here yet.
Why not if you add more players that makes us better now? We’ve done what you’re hoping for. We have a bunch of manageable contracts. Lots of young players on rookie contracts. But the longer we wait, then we have to start replacing core players when they become FAs.
For instance, we have to decide whether or not to pick up Wilkins 5th year option this year. I would. It happens fast.
If anything this board proves that almost none of us would be the same type of GM as far as team strategy. Already explained why not above…. mainly comes down to uncertainty about Tua and what we will need if he is not the QB to make us elite.
Don’t mess with Piggy:
https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/pigs-fend-off-bear-attack-in-new-milford/2743745/
Damn right
If we signed Collins or Armstead, the free agency period is extaclybehatbi want
I don’t want to sign skill positions during free agency
Cleveland has a far more talented overall team than we do. They can afford to give away high draft picks. They really might be just a good QB away from competing for a championship. We are not.
No one should be giving up what they did and commuting to salary cap after he narrowly escaped a criminal charge and was a malcontent in Houston
I wouldn’t give up 1 first rounder for him
It has nothing to do with talent or not
And I would say they just jumped ahead of us in the playoff spot race, albeit at a high cost for their future in both cap and picks. One reason was hoping Watson would go to the NFC as up until yesterday predicted.
They are a QB and multiple skill receivers away from being a contender
Who is saying for us to do that now? That’s not at all what I proposed.
Besides, there isn’t anybody in this draft who we could go get that is gonna somehow transform us into a contender. Really that is only QBs, and there aren’t any of those sorts of guys in this draft…at least nobody seems to think there is a QB like that in this draft. You never know.
Who is suggesting trading for a QB?
So making some deals to add some really good prospects that could make us a much better team now can’t happen, but next year for sure?
I don’t think there’s a QB that would transform us but I think there are a couple of skill players that you can make the focal point of an offense
Walker and Burks are my two guys
Generally I don’t think it’s a great draft
But I do think there a a couple of players that can be difference makers
Mike, I’m glad at least you got what I was saying. Others are acting like I said trade entire drafts for players. LOL
Who is acting like that? And don’t think everyone was talking about what you said. I at least was not before you replied.
Read the comments.
Stanger, if the team doesn’t believe in Tua he shouldn’t be here. You can what if forever.
I don’t fully believe in a lot of players on the roster and QB is by far the most important. Again, we have different takes and that is natural.
Oh my, I suggested trading a 3rd and a mid round pick to move up from #29, then traded a 1st next year to get back into the 1st for another prospect this year. Somehow that means we’ll have no draft next year. Not sure how anyone sees it like that.
I sure don’t, but then again wasn’t talking about what you said. Was clear just don’t want to trade future 1sts and 2nds and by that meant after all the wheeling and dealing is done.
I didn’t trade a future 2nd, it was this year’s 2nd packaged with a 1st next year to get another 1st this year, late in the first.
Let me ask you this. Where do you think our 1st round picks will be in next year’s draft? It’s ours and the 49ers.
And that is all the more reason I was not replying to what you said….. so why bring it up again? And our picks next year will probably be mid-to– to late. But who knows maybe we trade our first or 2nd to some team and have three.
Tim,
Come on. If I’m talking directly to you, I’ll put your name on it. I would think you know that about me after 25 years. Sometimes I come in here at the end of the day, read 100 posts and try to respond to a theme or topic that was discussed in multiple posts, so I just comment without a name on it.
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Piggy just posted a reply to one of my posts, and I have no idea what it has to do with what I said! Lol It’s the world of blogging.
This draft does have a lot of quality players at a lot of positions. I don’t know why people are acting like it doesn’t. I’m not suggesting trading the farm to move into the top 5.
That said, what I proposed is how aggressive I’d be. The team hasn’t done it. At least not yet. But it wouldn’t shock me.
Ken,
I think Amari Cooper is a #1 WR, and he’s got a shot to have a great year with Watson. They have a really good RB and FB. They have a pretty respectable OL. Njoku is a pretty good TE. They have a good overall defense that is certainly good enough to win a championship.
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I would say their depth at the skill positions may not be stellar, but their starters are pretty damn good.
I forgot about Cooper. Nojoku is nothing special. Their defense but I don’t necessarily think anything better than ours
Why does Tim want to trade all our picks for a QB? I don’t get that thinking at all.
Maybe I just misunderstood what he was trying to say because he used the word ‘too’ instead of ‘two’ and didn’t give us a correction…🤪
I saw that “too” and it annoyed me. LOL
LOL
I only hinted at it the other night with my OCD comment, but one of the biggest reasons I post corrections is because certain mistakes annoy the hell out of me when I make them…
Rodgers: “Oh yeah! Got me the most guaranteed money ever. Because I’m Rodgers, oh yeah, I’m Rodgers.”
Watson: ” 🤣 “
Hold my beer
LOL
I honestly almost used that as Watson’s reply
How cool is it the first two comments on this article were from the UK and AU?
Very cool!
I do a Zoom with friends every week about music and we review albums, all kinds of music. We have a friend from Italy who talks about loving prog rock and jazz fusion just like many of us did growing up as teens. He turned us on to Italian prog rock and jazz fusion he knew about from the 70’s but none of us knew about them in the USA. They fit right into what we were listening to back in the day. I love the world connection.
Outside of the OL because we’re all wondering how they’re going to pan out.
QB Tua, Bridgewater
RB Edmonds/Mostert
TE Gesicki/Smythe and Co.
WR Waddle, C. Wilson, Parker and we’ll see. (Draft)
Is that bad?
We kept all the players we wanted to keep
If we sign an OT I think it was a perfect free agency
I don’t know how I feel about signing Edmunds and Mostert instead of drafting a RB, but I don’t know that we aren’t going to draft a RB
I don’t know what people expected, but I was hoping to keep our guys like ogbah and gesicki and we did that
And improve our OL
And we signed a good OG and still have a good shot at an apt
It’s kind of what a lot of us wanted
Agreed. I do think we will draft a RB. Edmonds is a 2 year deal and Mostert 1 year. Gaskin in his 4th season before becoming a FA next year is no slouch.
Keeping Ogbah and Gesicki kind of became lack luster to fans because it wasn’t anything new. But if let them walk, we know it would have been a shit storm. LOL
Randy, it’s all good. We agree on a lot of football even though it may not seem like that at times. You’re a tough cookie when it comes to talent, you don’t think anyone is that good. You and Stanger would still be building this team in 2025. LOL
I banking one Lael Collins experiencing Cincinnati weather right before he experiences Miami weather
If he doesn’t sign today before leaving Cincy, I like our chances.
I don’t think he can sign until after June 1
Doesn’t it seem like if we sign a top OT the demeanor on this blog will become this?
Tim,
Hey, we’re all just fans…and fans are fanatical. Some of us more than others. I think we kinda feel we’re level headed fans on this blog, but we’re probably just like every fan base…we tend to believe our own players and teams are better than they really are. That’s fine. It’s what fans do. We can be hopeful. But again…some are just more hopeful and positive than others.
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But, it is not true that I don’t think anybody is good! Just like it’s maybe not true that you think everybody is great! Lol
LOL
I am the Emperor of hopeful and positive.
Ken, this article says Collins is designated a post June 1st cut by the Cowboys, but he can still sign with any team during FA.
“The veteran tackle was released on Thursday with the Cowboys designating him a post-June 1 cut, meaning they will save up to $10 million on the salary cap. That money won’t be available to the Cowboys until June, but it allows Collins to sign with another team here in the frenzy of free agency.”
https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/la-el-collins-released-designated-post-june-1-cut
Thank you for the explanation. I knew there was something about him being a June 1 cut
Ken, why can’t Collins sign until June?
He said he didn’t think he Tunsil could sign until June 1st, but that’s wrong
Tunsil?
Don’t know where Tunsil came from La’el
My Friday video before nap. Some new Jelly Roll.
The NFL salary cap being what it is, there are a few additional twists. A player can be cut as soon as the new league year begins in March and still be designated a June 1 cut, thus saving some cap space in the current year while pushing some of the hit into the following year. Teams are limited to the early (pre-June 1) designation of no more than two players per year as June 1 cuts. This is done to accommodate players who would prefer to be available in free agency immediately rather than wait until June 1 when many teams are close to out of funds for free agency.
I don’t believe we have to have another RB or LB to be a good team. It would be nice but I don’t think that’s a need at this time. We need to score more points. Is a rookie RB the key to that? I don’t think so. Another guy to help solidify the OL and a WR with speed could change things though.
We don’t need a boat load of players, we need to add a couple more impact players. That can be blocking and another guy who creates mismatches as a receiver. That’s what I think we need to take the next step. More blocking and another guy that calls the dogs off on Waddle. He should not be a Landry type WR, he’s so much more explosive than that.
Another playmaking WR could totally open up our offense. You can’t cover everyone. It’s two players.
At the end of the day, a lot of this is on Tua. If he plays well, we’ll be in the mix. If not it’s 8-10 wins and missing the playoffs again. Go for it now!!!!
Does anyone else think it’s funny that Watson will be handing the ball off to Chubb?
LOL
So where does Baker go?
Indy?
Saints?
I wouldn’t want him on my team.
The bench
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KC gets JuJu