How good will Jaelan Phillips be?

If you’re a Dolphins fan, and you watched every game last season, it’s easy to forget how sparingly Jaelan Phillips played the first half, and how much he came on in the 2nd half of the season with that additional playing time. For comparison, in totality, Jaelan Phillips played 54% of snaps on defense. AVG (Andrew Van Ginkel) played 71% of the defensive snaps. DE Emmanuel Ogbah played 67% defensive snaps. Now that we’ve seen what Phillips is capable of, his time on the field will greatly increase, probably exceeding 75% of the defensive snaps. If not at age 23, when?

Once again, for comparison, Pro Bowl LB Micah Parsons who was beloved from many here on FMU played 84% of the defensive snaps last season. You’d have to think Phillips approaches that this season. With more playing time, more plays will happen, and Jaelan Phillips, and hopefully the Miami Dolphins defense will get an increase in production in their pass rush and rushing defense. Phillips was tied for 2nd on the team with 9 tackles for loss, and 3rd in QB hits with 16. He was 2nd on the team in sacks with 8.5, just a half sack away from being tied with DE Emmanuel Ogbah. Phillips showed the ability to play the run as well as rush the passer. He’s a very athletic, guy with a nice repertoire of pass rushing moves that he will keep refining. He definitely learned a lot last year, you could see the difference by the end of the season he was so much more effective.

This season, I don’t think it’s crazy to expect 12-15 sacks from Phillips if he plays all season and gets at least 75% snaps on defense. He’ll probably have more than 20 QB hits, and I’d expect close to 80 tackles. You want your best players on the field as much as possible, and I feel Phillips will be, already is one of our best. We did pick up Melvin Ingram who will share some snaps with Phillps, but Ingram is 33, and will have to be used strategically to keep him effective, and healthy. Although this only year 2 for Phillips, he came to the team with a good toolbox of pass rush moves, he has prototypical size and length at 6’5 266 and wide wingspan, crucial to getting to the QB. He’s certainly one guy to watch on this aggressive Dolphins defense. He should be among the leaders in a few defensive statistical categories this season, I can’t wait to see this kid shine!

#stangerstrong

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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1,118 Responses to How good will Jaelan Phillips be?

  1. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    How good will Jaelan Phillips be? I think very good, scary good. πŸ™‚

  2. Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

    Thank you, Mike E. and agree that he will/can be scary good…..we shall see.

  3. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    In an interview with Ogbah this offseason he said Phillips has a chance to be special. He’s a lot bigger, stronger and faster this year.

  4. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    Great write Mike E. And think we can all do the math on these. He was the greatest pass rushing force on the team last year.

    *** “Jaelan Phillips played 54% of snaps on defense”
    *** “Emmanuel Ogbah played 67% defensive snaps.”
    *** Phillips “was 2nd on the team in sacks with 8.5, just a half sack away from being tied with DE Emmanuel Ogbah.”

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      We’ve got a nice duo on the edges and depth with Van Ginkel and Ingram. Ogbah plays more DE but he’s still a force mostly on the left side. What I like about Phillips is he can play both sides equally well. He did that in college too. Van Ginkel plays both sides as well. Not sure about Ingram.

  5. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Stanger – Ogbah gets consistent pressure on the other side, which is so important to Phillips’ success. This way they have to slide help Ogbah’s way and can’t concentrate on stopping Phillips. It’s like when we had JT and Ogunleye.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Ogbah also batted down 12 passes last year and has 37 of them in his 6 year career. He’s kind of underrated because he doesn’t get double digit sacks but that guy is a force in both the run and pass game. He’s in his prime now and with the up and coming Phillips things could get scary for opponents.

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        He sure does bat down a lot of balls. Torn btwn there is an art to it and he doesn’t get enough up-pocket pressure at times. Maybe both.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Stanger, JT did that too when he lost on the on the pass rush. He would then keeps his eyes on the QB and get his hands up. It’s a good football instinct. Sometimes you get beat on the pass rush but you can still win the down.

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      JT and Ogunleye is a nice comparison. We all have to remember that Ogbah is more of a pure line guy. A real 3-4 DE. He plugs away at stopping the run and putting QB pressure on. Phillips and Van GInkel are different beasts. Not always there with the DL crew, but they join the party more often than not. Assuming Ingram will be the same.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Ogbah reminds me of former Giants DE Leonard Marshall. A 3-4 DE who plays both run and pass.

        Van Ginkel does a lot for us on defense. He doesn’t rack up big stats but he makes an impact in a lot of ways.

        QB hits:
        Ogbah 24
        Van Ginkel 20
        Phillips 16

  6. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Then you have this guy who plays on all downs and produces on a lot of levels. Hopefully we added another guy just like him in Channing Tindall. πŸ™‚
    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BakeJe00.htm

  7. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    The projection of our defense in a 3-4 base is looking like this. Not saying right away but eventually.
    LDE Ogbah
    NT Davis
    RDE Wilkins
    OLB Phillips
    OLB Van Ginkel
    ILB Baker
    ILB Tindall
    CB Howard
    CB Jones
    SS Jones
    FS Holland

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      LDE Ogbah 7
      NT Davis 3
      RDE Wilkins 4
      OLB Phillips 2
      OLB Van Ginkel 4
      ILB Baker 5
      ILB Tindall R
      CB Howard 7
      CB Jones 8
      SS Jones 3
      FS Holland 2

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        This core defense averages 4 years in experience not counting the other role players. We’re going to be a very good defense, just saying.

  8. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    June 26, 2022 at 12:44 pm
    Using abortion as casual birth control is part of the rights propaganda. Most abortions are not casual or easy for women. It’s emotional and psychologically challenging. I don’t understand how anyone thinks government can tell anyone what to do with their bodies. We own ourselves not the state.
    ———–
    I very much do NOT wish to prolong this whole debate, but what ya just said was WRONG, on every level. There is no government mandate (but see Covid vaccinations!) nor state mandates (yet see the 2020 elections!) to outlaw abortion but for a few like Missouri.

    It’s truly not that big of a deal, as the MSM continues to drum-up false accusations.

    From state to state, WE THE PEOPLE get to decide whether abortion should be a yay or nay. And if it’s SUCH a deal-breaker for so many, one can move to another state or LIKELY still be able to travel out of state to get abortions.

    It takes TWO to tango, so perhaps men should ‘MAN UP’ and take responsibility… use a condom! Get a vasectomy! Abstain from using your smaller brain! What brilliant ideas!

    It takes TWO to tango, so perhaps women should ‘WOMAN UP’ and take responsibility… y’all already know the options out there for y’all. What brilliant ideas!

    With FREEDOM comes RESPONSIBILITY! Problem is that our society has decayed to the point that everyone wants to play the victim card and act like irresponsible little children. But in this given situation, it took TWO (not one) to make a fucked up decision.

    Don’t want to be treated like a child with no freedom from their parents (nanny-state, Soviet-style?), then act like a responsible adult for crying out loud. The concept is so very easy to grasp, seriously.

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      “I very much do NOT wish to prolong this whole debate” as you pull up a post from 6 hours before. If you want to talk about it just do like you did in your long post. No problem with that at all.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Bullshit! Don’t you take my guns away and tell me what to do as a free citizen, “live free or die”, “don’t tread on me” and all that bullshit. Hypocrisy is rampant.

      I agree that men are irresponsible when it cums to pregnancy. Stop being so partisan and bias. Own it!

      Stop telling me about the media like I’m not aware of anything. I know what that bullshit is about.

      Oh sorry… I came in your daughter who was not ready to be a mother at whatever age. Now we have the Puritans chiming in. Let’s make women sluts and witches again.

      Sorry dude, you’re living in a primitive time.

      • Wyoming85's avatar Wyoming85 says:

        With all due respect!
        That’s got to be the worst ting I’ve ever seen you post?

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Okay… what don’t you like? I’m honest and I see a lot of hypocrisy. Freedom is only what makes you feel good, can’t handle others who see things in a different way?

        The Republicans just lost the next elections and socialist types will take over even if some Dems aren’t for it. Sorry conservatives, you fucked up!

        Vote Libertarian! Where’s Piggy? πŸ˜‰

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      Don’t want to be treated like a child with no freedom from their parents (nanny-state, Soviet-style?), then act like a responsible adult for crying out loud. The concept is so very easy to grasp, seriously.
      β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”
      But yet you support a SCOTUS decision that will give state government to do exactly that such as control what someone does with their body

  9. Wyoming85's avatar Wyoming85 says:

    Ok! You all talked me into this!

    First-It’s either a constitutional right, or it’s not!
    Is this a hard concept?????

    Second – railing against the Church / NRA ETC. is useless!
    They are just a group of individuals after all!

    Third – you don’t like your state laws Run, or Vote what you want it to be!

    4th – Move to a tribe that you want to live with!
    As Tim would say!

    I’ve eaten a TON of shit from politicians I don’t agree with too!
    Get over it!!!!!

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      I never say move to a tribe. I say be an individual with your own thoughts. Party planks are the problem.

      What is liberty? Freedom?

      I thought everyone cared about our children? Do you really?

      • Wyoming85's avatar Wyoming85 says:

        Why would I care about your children?
        That is your responsibility!

        The lack of personal responsibility is astounding in this day and age!!!!!!!

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Yikes! The conservatives talk about our children all the time. Stop telling us how it has to be. We raise our kids our way. I agree. You don’t see the hypocrisy? Some people get so offended by discussions they can’t deal with it.

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        The hypocrisy is forcing people to get vaccinated, then turn around and say my body my decision on abortion

        Half the states having abortion illegal doesn’t exactly scream taking away rights like the vaccine did

  10. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    As per usghe, there are definitely two sides to every issue. I personally don’t think there was any good reason to overturn Roe v Wade and leave laws up to individual states, which then can lead to people living in a certain state where a few days ago it was legal to have an abortion and now it is not. It’s easy for someone else to say you can move, or travel out of state, but I disagree. As far as abortion itself, I do think women should have the choice, regardless of reason to get an abortion, it’s their body and should be allowed to do as they please. My personal feeling is that there should be a limit as to what trimester the mother is in though. I don’t think there should be any abortion past the 2nd trimester unless the mother’s life is in imminent danger. Are there some women who aren’t responsible? Sure, and there are men that are also irresponsible. The woman ultimately should have the choice though, that’s how I feel. I saw a good meme today. Basically it said Viagra is government funded. If pregnancy is God’s will, well then so is a limp dick. LOL, hard (soft) to argue that one by the way.

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      How about the good reason, that the constitution doesn’t say anything about abortion, so federally they can’t tell states what to do?

      You seem to confuse how you think it should be, with the job of SCOTUS to abide by the constitution

    • Wyoming85's avatar Wyoming85 says:

      Viagra is not made for men!

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      God’s will. When do we get past that? I’m sorry, I’m tired of hearing that.

      I see St. Jude commercials where little kids get to suffer from the beginning of their life. Is that God’s will or plan? Does that make any sense to anyone?

      Not buying into that has nothing to do with communism and absolute atheism. It’s just not realistic. Is it okay to see things for what it is and not have to accept heaven and hell in the after life? Both of those exist on Earth.

      When we say RIP what does that mean? I think it means it’s the ultimate peace because you don’t think about anything anymore because your life expired.

      That’s why this timeline we’re on is important. We’re still alive.

      • Wyoming85's avatar Wyoming85 says:

        Well If you would like Mother Natures answer?

        Most wouldn’t agree with her!

        Strongest survive!
        Shitty mothers kids die!
        The weak get eaten!
        Shitty parents gene’s don’t get propagated!

        I could go on but what’s the point?

  11. Wyoming85's avatar Wyoming85 says:

    Tim Knight says:
    June 26, 2022 at 7:03 pm
    Yikes! The conservatives talk about our children all the time. Stop telling us how it has to be.
    ———————————————–
    What part of this discussion has to do with “them”
    This is just me!
    I’m not tribal, agnostic, even socially acceptable!
    “The Conservatives”??????? What the fuck is that??????
    Don’t talk to me about Hypocritical when you start a conversation that way!

    Believe me I’m not offended! Just a little drunk!

    which is is the only reason I even typed anything!

    Continue on with whatever you want!

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      I’m sure you’ve never heard Pelosi talk about doing it for the children, then do the opposite, Tim

  12. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    I do also believe that this decision could end up hurting the GOP when it comes to elections because there will be backlash and an overreaction to this decision. Hope I’m wrong, but that’s what I think is going to happen.

    • Wyoming85's avatar Wyoming85 says:

      The “loud” ones are on SM!

      Most of those who agree with it, don’t have a twitter account!

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      That’s what they’ll try to make it seem, but when you’ve fucked up the economy, inflation, border, energy, Afghanistan and everything else they’ve touched people notice what’s really important to them, at least the majority do

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        Of course, it will be a rally cry for the Democrats. Don’t let them take control of your body. That’s a strong issue. Believe me, the inflation issues and economy are awful, but that’s a pretty big issues for females, even some borderline conservatives and certainly almost all that are not. Why give them that opportunity?

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        I wouldn’t have overturned it either, for just that reason, but who am I to say they shouldn’t follow their oath, and they aren’t supposed to be political, even though not sure it’s even possible not to be

  13. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Steve – I’m not confused in the least pal. I know what was, and I know what is now. Do you? If you do, we have nothing in question. I never said abortion was in the constitution. It was however legal federally because of the Roe v Wade decision made in 1973. That’s all there is Steve

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      Which was wrongfully decided

      What is the job of SCOTUS? We know the liberals on the court don’t follow their oath

  14. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/warren-sapp-heard-colin-kaepernick-s-raiders-workout-was-a-disaster/ar-AAYTpsM?cvid=d0ee1b36dd0048b6bb1330f6410242fc

    A marginal starter in his last season who hasn’t thrown a meaningful pass in like 5 years didn’t look NFL ready? πŸ€”

  15. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Wyo – Thankfully I don’t have that issue, but men who can’t get an erection will have trouble with intercourse, am I wrong?

    • Wyoming85's avatar Wyoming85 says:

      do you really think men would pay 60$ a pop?
      Viagra is to make the wife happy!

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        Again, I don’t know the answer to this, but my guess is a limp biskit ain’t gonna get the job done for either party involved. lol

  16. New Age's avatar New Age says:

    The right to privacy and body autonomy arguments are incredibly weak after Covid It’s like people suddenly forgot what many tried to force upon others including the government. People were arrested for jogging on a beach without a flimsy cloth mask and fired from jobs for not getting a poorly tested set of vaccines which are now being pushed on children who are at a 0.0001% risk. Gotta make sure Pharma can’t be sued!

    A women’s right to murder her unborn is not more pressing than my need for data on a new set of vaccines that mainly enriched Big Pharma and definitely never stopped Covid from spreading or killing people.

    I can’t help but laugh about privacy after the Patriot Act which is still legal. What a farce.

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      ^

    • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

      This I totally agree with, but I feel this doesn’t apply to Roe v Wade, two totally different issues. One concerns ones own body, the other concerns the mother and the child. But man, I thought the whole COVID thing was a major fucking disgrace. Segregating people by vaccinated and non-vaccinated was beyond disgusting

      • New Age's avatar New Age says:

        Is her right to privacy greater than mine though? Why is the man responsible for ‘a clump of cells’ if she decides to keep it but she isn’t responsible if she doesn’t? It was always unequally applied and a terrible ruling. Nine old white men shouldn’t be the deciders on the abortion issue, and they should have never created the false narrative of ‘private health decision’ to promote abortion. Let the voters through their representatives decide and let the court rule of established law, not create their own.

    • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

      Doesn’t your argument cut both ways though? How can you say you should have full control what is put in your body and shouldn’t be forced into vaccines, then feel like women shouldn’t have the fundamental right to control their own bodies?

      • New Age's avatar New Age says:

        I have no problem with them having the right as long as they have the responsibility and it’s an honest conversation equally applied. Abortion is still available, and they can still get it. No one was fired for getting an abortion last I saw.

  17. Wyoming85's avatar Wyoming85 says:

    Mike E. says:
    June 26, 2022 at 7:29 pm
    Again, I don’t know the answer this, but my guess is a limp biskit ain’t gonna get the job done for either party involved. lol
    ———————————————————————–
    You doth protest to much!

    At our age everyone I know that takes the little blue pill, is at the request of their wife!
    Maybe I’m wrong about that to?
    WTF do I know??

  18. Wyoming85's avatar Wyoming85 says:

    Mike E. says:
    June 26, 2022 at 7:34 pm
    LOL! What about single men? I bet they do it so they get a 2nd date, no?
    —————————————-
    Don’t know any single men doing that?
    BUT
    I’m sure some vain idiot would spend that kind of money!

  19. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    New Age – OK, so would you trade this decision for a loss in the ’24 Presidential Election? Does this really mean that much to you, COVID issues aside? Forget the tit for tat here, was this Roe v Wade giving you a rash for the last 49 years? Did it bug you that much that you’ve been railing against it for 49 years and finally got what you want?

    • New Age's avatar New Age says:

      They’ve known for two months this would happen. It’s barely touched polling as an issue. In the real world, which we’ll see in the midterms, having food, job, and gas security is more important than a woman’s ability to kill her unborn.

      10 years ago, I was pro-abortion but then I saw clips like the ones I posted below. I can’t support that in any fashion. If people want abortion so badly, they will take four more years of Biden (or similar) incompetence and destruction of America? Then I’m all for that decision being made. I’ll be fine either way but I’m not compromising my values for women that want to use abortion as a contraceptive. Not at all.

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        OK, fair enough. As I’ve mentioned I feel there have to be limits on how far into the pregnancy an abortion can be done. I don’t think it’s right to take the place of contraception either but mistakes happen, and better to leave it at one mistake than 2. Not saying you’re wrong, just my feelings.

      • New Age's avatar New Age says:

        Mike,

        No one has ever had a problem with abortion if the woman’s life was at risk, incest etc but those are incredibly rare circumstances. It’s used as a contraceptive most of the time. Many of these women have ‘made a mistake’ quite a few times. The propaganda would have you believe different, but I have no problem in making them drive a bit further to have their abortion. That’s all this decision changed.

    • Wyoming85's avatar Wyoming85 says:

      These issues should never be tried to anything else!
      Your starting to sould like a Democrat now! πŸ™‚

  20. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    I’m not a big conspiracy guy but do you notice a lot of stuff being pushed on the people from our so-called elected government that we’re basically not into saying WTF?!!!!

    Everything is extreme. Think about it! We’re all in the same boat.

    • Wyoming85's avatar Wyoming85 says:

      Maybe the SC kick’s it if the Dem’s hadn’t all voted for “on demand, up to birth” abortions?

      Not that that should have any bearing!

  21. New Age's avatar New Age says:

    https://twitter.com/DambaBurgh/status/1540379623816663042?s=20&t=-EpenuhAp1Lop7ZSgdGaiw

    Utterly barbaric.

  22. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    stangerx says:
    June 26, 2022 at 6:17 pm
    β€œI very much do NOT wish to prolong this whole debate” as you pull up a post from 6 hours before…
    ————-
    LOL. Dude, was I supposed to stop kayaking the very moment Tim posted what he had six hours prior? How was I to know — as I was kayaking — that somebody made a statement here that I didn’t necessarily agree with?

    I got online AFTER I was done with recreation today. Didn’t realize I needed to post immediately after. C’mon, now… that’s weak sauce, man, and you know it. SMH

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      As I said — “If you want to talk about it just do like you did in your long post. No problem with that at all.” Was just poking fun at you for very much prolonging the debate as you said you didn’t want too.

  23. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    I see there aren’t too many people here who understand the Constitution. I see a few here that DO understand the Constitution!

    Mark Levin (a Constitutional scholar) is KILLING it tonight! What exactly is the problem, again? States could absolutely make abortion legal, even AFTER birth. Nothing will change in CA or NY. WTF are the liberals bitching about again?

  24. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    I recognize pre-programmed bots (those who get their news from ‘Pravda-West’: aka, the MSM) from independent thinkers.

    • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

      Should have said, POLITICAL pre-programmed bots.

      I still love each and every one of y’all, regardless.
      It’s OKAY to disagree!

  25. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    It’s the first one Mr. I see there aren’t too many people here who understand the Constitution.

    It’s the 1st one! The founding fathers wanted nothing to do with the Church of England in the new world.

    Keep preaching… preachers.

    You want to keep challenging me, I win every time because you can never produce God. It’s fantasy land.

    • Wyoming85's avatar Wyoming85 says:

      Are you saying that it’s “The Church” that mad abortion not be in the constitution?

      Because I think you have about 4 grievances going on and aren’t being specific?

      The Church along with the NRA did not vote anything!

      They are a group of like minded people!

      The people voted!

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. It’s the first one LOL

        There is nothing about restricting the freedom of women having an abortion.

        You know why that is, the founding fathers understood their hypocrisy and called it out going forward.

        I find it hilarious when religions decide God changed its mind today. LOL

        Is it a he or she?

        For those of you who can’t handle such opinions and want to call certain people out because it offends you, it’s best to be open-minded.

  26. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    “Live free or die”, “Don’t tread on me”. Anyone as a free American still feel the same way?

    It’s okay if hypocrites change their minds. Liberty is most important, or is it not?

  27. manitobafinfan's avatar manitobafinfan says:

    Lightning are starting to look tired ..

  28. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    I just don’t get how anyone that railed for two years against vaccine mandates, the loss of freedoms, rights being infringed upon, and the real world repercussions of people losing their jobs over not getting vaxxed, can then turn around and agree with states being able to determine women do not have the right to control their bodies.

    Either you agree the states can determine their own level of control over your body or you don’t. But if you were up in arms about the vax and not this, what is the reasoning behind that?

    I mean, I believe the state shouldn’t tell me to put this in my body even in the event of a public health emergency, yet I believe the state should be able to tell a woman she doesn’t get to choose this for her body. It just seems like an entirely inconsistent application of beliefs.

    It’s not in the constitution that the states can’t mandate vaccines, so what was all the complaining about? And what kills me, is the ‘vaccine mandates’ were still less of a requirement unless you were a government worker, etc, and it still gave those people more choices than abortion bans will give women, lol. It just seems like crazy hypocrisy to me.

    To me it seems about one side vs the other, red vs blue. Well the they did this, so I’m going to cheer when we get our tit for their tat.

    (And just so we’re clear here, I stated multiple times unequivocally on this board over the last two years, that I was against vaccine mandates. I feel I’m being consistent in my own thoughts- maybe someone will point out something I’m missing.)

    (And as a second postscript- I think most here understand the constitutional element of the case and the reasoning behind the decision. I haven’t seen anyone argue against that. I’m talking about real world application and repercussions. Women are losing a fundamental right they’ve had for 50 years, the end.)

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Exactly!

    • New Age's avatar New Age says:

      Which right is that? To have abortion at a local place? You rail against ‘fundamental’ rights but there was never a right until the people who interpreted rules decided to make them. That’s not the SCOTUS’s job. Abortions are still on the table, so they didn’t lose anything except convenience. Lots of medical workers lost far more. Lots of military were released for a much weaker argument than the one they held.

      To talk about hypocrisy, there are dozens of ways to prevent a pregnancy. What were the dozens of ways to prevent the government from forcing jabs in select fields of work? Again, who has been fired over getting an abortion? Give me some examples? I already showed where women were pushing for at term abortions in NY. No one has unlimited rights as Covid visibly has shown. Murder has never been a right. The outrage over this ‘right of privacy!’ is the true hypocrisy. Murder of children is ok, as long as we frame it properly. Not for me.

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        “Which right is that?”
        The right for a woman to decide what to do with her body when she is pregnant. There was a baseline fundamental right for women the last 50 years, now there isn’t; it’s entirely controlled by the states. I think no base level right is wrong (why I keep using the word fundamental). I don’t think the government on any level should have that amount of control over a person’s body.

        And it shouldn’t be up to you to tell them they can just go about not getting pregnant. It’s entirely irrelevant that is your solution to abortion. The question is about a woman’s bodily rights once she is pregnant.

        “Abortions are still on the table…”
        Yes, if you’re in a state that won’t ban you from crossing state lines like Missouri is proposing. Oh, but they can just move, right? So why didn’t everyone yelling about their rights being infringed upon with vax mandates move to South Dakota or Montana? How is this different? Why is one an attack on freedom and democracy and the other isn’t? Because people are hypocrites and think since they have a moral judgement that agrees with what is happening it’s somehow different.

        Give you some examples? You know we’re talking about something that happened a couple of days ago, so why would you even pose that question? Or are you really making the statement there won’t be any real world consequences for people and families? You think a woman having to uproot her own and potentially her family’s entire existence and move to another state to protect her own body isn’t at least equivalent to choosing not to get vaxxed and having to get new employment?

        Murder of children. Right there is probably the real root of most of the hypocrisy surrounding this. You’re bringing your own moral viewpoint and judgement into it. We’re talking about a governmental function and how much the state should or shouldn’t be allowed to control your body. If you believe things like life upon conception on a moral level, then live that life, don’t get an abortion, and pass that on to your kids. You shouldn’t get to make that choice for other people.

        And if you feel you do get to make that choice for other people, then be consistent and when other people and the state then decide to force vax and mask mandates on you for the greater good, then be consistent and don’t call it an infringement on your rights and a taking away your freedom because based on your own words and beliefs it was never your right to begin with.

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        I forget who it was that said this, might have been Steve, that the red and blue lines on abortion are backwards. The more I think about the arguments I see from either side, the more I agree.

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        And one last thing before I call it a night, since I don’t believe I’ve actually stated what my personal beliefs on abortion are.

        I only believe it should be used in the case of rape or if there is danger to the mother. I really don’t like the idea of terminating for other reasons. The thought of ‘just deciding’ to terminate a pregnancy and a potential child is horrifying to me. I probably wouldn’t have my oldest daughter if I held a looser belief. My beliefs don’t make me feel that other people shouldn’t be able to make their own choice though.

  29. manitobafinfan's avatar manitobafinfan says:

    Avs win πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

  30. Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

    Oh my….well I’m caught up…lol

    The hypocrisy reeks….best I can do without calling people out…..lol

  31. Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

    I agree with CK….

  32. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    New Age says:
    June 27, 2022 at 12:53 am (Edit)
    Which right is that? To have abortion at a local place? You rail against β€˜fundamental’ rights but there was never a right until the people who interpreted rules decided to make them. That’s not the SCOTUS’s job
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    Actually that is exactly the job of SCOTUS. It was created by the founding fathers to interpret the constitution and resolve constitutional disputes

    • New Age's avatar New Age says:

      Except abortion or the right to privacy weren’t ever there. I know plenty of left leaning lawyers who have always thought the ruling was overactive lawmaking from the interpretation side. They liked the result but had no compunction saying it was terrible judging. This could easily have been put into law, but never was. Why is that?

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        The right was there but not specifically articulated. That was the idea of the penumbral rights. A specific example of this as to the right to privacy can be found in the 4th amendment. That amendment protects against warrantless search and seizures. That amendment is clearly predicated upon the founding fathers belief that we have a right to privacy. It would otherwise make no sense to have the 4th amendment. To limit the constitution to such a narrow reading is disservice to the founding fathers. They understand that the constitution was going to be subject to interpretation which is expressly why they created SCOTUS

  33. New Age's avatar New Age says:

    Kong,

    Good stuff and you make good arguments. That’s why I like talking to you (yep the only reason lol πŸ˜‰ ). I don’t think I have that right, but I think society does. It’s just like murder, assault, theft, etc. Societies have a right, and I think obligation, to put forth laws that help the society they are in or are trying to create. I am a statist because I think most decisions should stay at that level. It’s the largest grouping feasible to give people the highest level of freedom of choice possible. The federal government should primarily be used for defense and border protection. The things needed to maintain the whole. That’s about it for me and my core governmental beliefs. When you talk about freedom enforced on a national level, created by judges instead of lawmakers just 50 years ago, it makes my eyebrow raise, you know? Why didn’t the lawmakers do this? What do the states think? Is this what these judges were created for? I don’t think so. Become a lawmaker.

    I say murder because at the root of it, that’s what it is. I think we need to get back to honest descriptions instead of looking to appease the lowest common denominator. It’s good when people hear ugly things sometimes. Making up new words to appease is really just a form of evasion and mendacity.

    Personally, I’m very much against travel restrictions but if they had to move, isn’t that better for them? Our excuse for illegals, who travel thousands of miles with nothing or dump their poor kids on a smuggler, is that they are trying to improve their lives. How is that any different than an American doing the same thing? How are we put out more than an extremely poor Latino? We aren’t. It’s just a move. If you want it enough, you can easily do that in 21st century America. It’s a convenience thing which isn’t a right.

    With rights, they change do they not? They sure seem to as evidenced by the Patriot Act and Friday’s ruling. Isn’t part of my argument that women who pushed hard for vax mandates don’t want similar restriction put on themselves? I’ve talked to plenty who were pro mandate but not my abortions!! Said on Friday! So, should I fight for unequal application for a right that I don’t believe is a constitutional one? Is it consistent with laws used for judging someone who kills a pregnant woman? Do men get equal application of this law when used for child support? No, it is unequally applied. It is a mishmash made up in 1973.

    All states and communities have some differing laws because they believe differently. People are different and universal law, especially one created by 9 old white men, doesn’t seem like the best version to me…and many others. Let the voters decide. That’s the core of our Republic, isn’t it? I don’t have a problem with a person using a right, but I do have one with creating one whole cloth from the judge’s seat. From that precedent comes tyranny. Let society decide this, not me, you or even a large group of women. Vote it in.

    • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

      New Age – I don’t think there’s going to be one right answer that fits all. My biggest issue is that abortions were federally legal for 49 + years and now in my opinion we’ve gone backward and left it up to the states. I’m a conservative (mostly), and I live in the mostly liberal state of New Jersey. I can deal with most of the nonsense, thankfully we didn’t segregate vaxxed and non-vaxxed like NY did, but I was expecting it. No laws that have passed in NJ despite having Democrats in power the majority of the time has made my state unlivable for me. I don’t agree with many of things our Governor Phil Murphy does but nothing has been life changing. I think you’re simplifying this as an inconvenience when in reality it’s a whole lot more.

      • New Age's avatar New Age says:

        It can be a lot more for sure. But abortion was legal in NY in 1972. Even with all the people against it, NY provided options for young women even then. It’s a lot more supported today and more states will make a version legal. Even some Republicans in Congress say they are willing to legislate for 15 weeks. Going to get an abortion shouldn’t be as easy as driving up to your local PP on an afternoon you asked off. Maybe in some states but not everywhere.

        That’s why I like the state aspect. What fits for NY doesn’t fit for OK or maybe FL. We’re all different and we all don’t get our way all the time. No one who supported life got their way the last 50 years. Is that what America stands for? Is that freedom? Now, women will still have choice but maybe some are more difficult. I don’t see that as a bad thing.

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      It’s my body, I should have the right to do with it as I choose…

      Yes, you should, but we aren’t talking about your body, we’re inevitable talking about a babies body

      What if Roe v Wade case was about SCOTUS deciding abortion was illegal and for the last 50 or so years abortion was illegal in all states?

      Putting things in perspective, I think the decision on Friday would’ve been viewed differently in this instance, if you are someone, that believes either ruling was unjust what would be the difference?

    • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

      Much respect to you, New Age. I enjoy talking with you as well.

  34. pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

    What I think New Age is saying….From the Wall Street Journal

    “The fury of the left’s reaction isn’t merely about guns and abortion. It reflects their grief at having lost the Court as the vehicle for achieving policy goals they can’t get through legislatures. The cultural victories they achieved by judicial fiat will now have to be won by persuading voters. We understand their frustration, but they ought to try democracy for a change. They might even win the debate over abortion.” (https://www.wsj.com/articles/lie-senate-justice-gorsuch-kavanaugh-collins-manchin-aoc-meet-the-press-abortion-dobbs-roe-casey-ginsburg-11656277455?mod=hp_opin_pos_1)

  35. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    https://phinphanatic.com/2022/06/27/miami-dolphins-embarrassing-moments-brian-flores-era/

    I figure rehashing old wounds is better than reading the BS on this board this weekend. Enjoy the pain again. LOL

    • pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

      I know man…all these pro-choice posters….jeez!

      • Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

        You are ignorant to assume which side I fall on. Even if it was tongue in cheek.

      • pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

        Lol…I’m not assuming which side you’re on….just poking at you for a reaction. Personally, I am pro-choice with limitations, but anti Roe vs. Wade and obviously pro gun.

  36. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    I found it ironic that for years conservatives have decried an activist court and Judges and it in the last week it is clear that SCOTUS has become just that except with a conservative agenda. In the last week the court has issued 3 opinions that have clearly disregarded previous precedents. It has mandated the government must help fund private religious schools, it struck down New York’s statute placing regulations on its concealed carry law and has overturned Roe v Wade. That is an activist court. It is following an agenda not precedent

    • pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

      Or maybe they are resetting the court to do what it is supposed to do – determine the constitutionality of laws, rather than legislate.

      Ken – You seem more upset that they have overturned bad precedent set by the court when it was a liberal majority than over the content of what they over-turned.

      β€œThe cultural victories they achieved by judicial fiat will now have to be won by persuading voters.”

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        I am more upset that we have no right to privacy and the danger that creates

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        And SCOTUS can’t have it both ways a state can regulate a concealed carry law but they can regulate a woman’s body. Oh and that whole thing about separation of Church and state. That is in the constitution. At least it was. This court is not just determining the constitutionality of laws. It is issuing decisions based on an agenda and the decisions are not even intellectually consistent with one another

      • pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

        I think the the 4th, 5th and 9th cover privacy pretty well. Throwing privacy in on Roe was part of the stretch to codify Roe.

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        Phish if you believe privacy is a right in the constitution then the Court correctly decided Roe either it is or isn’t. Your example of where the right to privacy can be inferred in 3 different amendments is the very basis of the court’s decision in Rowe. You have articulated my position perfectly

    • pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

      The right to bear arms is a specific, enumerated right. Privacy is not. It is inferred. All of the amendments cited as justifications used to make Roe precedent were stretches by an activist court that wanted to write law through judicial fiat. This court just set the scale back to zero. If Congress wants a federal law permitting abortion, they should write and pass one. And it should be one that passes Constitutional muster. Until they do, it’s up the individual states. This has nothing to do with privacy.

      Congress doesn’t want to do that though. They need wedge issues to stir up their bases. This is a great one.

  37. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    New Age says:
    June 27, 2022 at 8:20 am (Edit)
    Kong,

    I am a statist because I think most decisions should stay at that level. It’s the largest grouping feasible to give people the highest level of freedom of choice possible. The federal government should primarily be used for defense and border protection. The things needed to maintain the whole.
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    Interesting take but that is historically not the purpose behind our constitution. We created a federal government to resolve disputes between states and to regulate interstate commerce. A standing military and border security is not even referenced in the constitution and I don’t believe it is even referenced in the Federalist Papers. Border security and defense was left to the individual states hence the need for a β€œwell regulated militia”

    • New Age's avatar New Age says:

      Good points. Those are exceptions I am in favor of because I don’t think the states can handle these duties today. Of course, others have different exceptions they favor for this reason or others which is ok. We can always disagree lol.

  38. Wyoming85's avatar Wyoming85 says:

    3rd maybe?

  39. bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

    I just got back from our annual scalloping trip. Great time! Of course, this was all over the news and we discussed it.

    One of the guys with us was born after about 7 months in the womb. He was 8 weeks premature. He is 6’1 and a great athlete. Played 5 years minor league baseball pitching and made it to AAA until he shredded his arm. He is now VP at a bank.

    Hypocrisy?

    What I am getting at is a woman who drowns her baby the day after it is born would be tried for murder but if a woman aborts her baby just weeks before it’s due, it’s ok even though that baby was already a “person” and would have developed into somebody.

    Yeah, it’s the woman’s body and she has rights. What about the “person” in the belly? When do their rights begin? Their hearts start to beat around 5 weeks and brains begin to function around 8 weeks. IMO, if the heart is beating and brain is functioning, that “PERSON” has rights also.

    Everyone is so caught up on women’s rights but no one seems to be bringing up the rights of the little boy in the womb who just can’t wait to get out in the world and suck his first titty and throw a baseball ball.

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      Late term abortions were legal only for the protection for the mother’s life and that was only in a handful of states.

      • bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

        I understand. Why abort that person with a beating heart and functioning brain when the premature survival rate at just 26 weeks is almost 90%. That increasingly goes up along with decreasing risk of long-term health issues every couple of days. One or 2 weeks in the womb makes a massive difference.

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        It is a hard choice and who’s choice is it? However the scenario is one that is such a small number of cases. That is just a small of fraction of all abortion cases. The specific law in question was addressed to earlier stage abortions

  40. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    Sooo, the court struck down NY’s law restricting conceal carry. Woop woop, the court just ruled that states cannot abridge the right to carry arms. How you feel about convicted murderer’s allowed to bring their fire arms through security and onto planes? (Can’t bring those box cutters still) but they can’t stop me for strapping up for my plane ride cross state boarders now either.

    According to this court’s reasoning I can come strapped into court, school, the airport, the bar, anywhere I want and NOONE can tell me otherwise. Even if I was a convicted mentally disturbed felon.

    “The constitutional right to bear arms in public for self-defense is not ‘a second-class right, subject to an entirely different body of rules than the other Bill of Rights guarantees,'” Thomas wrote.

    Well Mr. Thomas, if that is the case then NO OTHER LAW written by a state (or the Fed) can restrict the right. Including felony disqualification, any red flag laws, basically ANY law or ordinance that restricts anyone from having a gun.

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      Exactly. The decisions are intellectually inconsistent

    • Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

      even the need to be licensed was thrown out by this decision. The state has no right to license who can carry any longer after this decision. They struck down the “provision” in the law, but at the same time they invalidated EVERY law on the subject.

    • Wyoming85's avatar Wyoming85 says:

      Unless I missed something?
      United States federal law states that anyone convicted of a felony can’t possess a firearm.

      • Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

        The court just set precedence in their decision that struck down the NY law that the 2nd amendment cannot be abridged. Therefor ALL OTHER gun control laws are up for the same debate.

        The ruling behind the court overturning the NY law was that a state cannot limit the right. Well that applies to ALL LAWS governing the restriction of fire arms. If NY cannot pass a law restricting where I can carry than NOONE can. Including all subsequent laws.

    • pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

      Oh please…Histrionics.

      • Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

        No, it’s not.

      • Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

        the point being that the Federal law that prevents convicts from owning a gun is unconstitutional as well. The 2nd amendment does not carve out any legal restrictions and by their ruling the SCOTUS just invalidated ALL laws that do. (unintentionally or not)

      • pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

        Chicken Little. You just don’t like guns.

  41. Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

    I have watched people be born and I have watched people die.

    Life begins with the first breath and ends with the last. Why is it so important to hear that first cry?

    If an organism cannot exist outside the womb because it hasn’t developed the physiological functions and processes to survive, then is it really viable. A beating heart with a few nerve cells are clumps of tissue matter.

    KISS, and the second S refers to me as I am a follower of the philosophy.

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      For the same reason you guys post first on every articleπŸ€ͺ

    • New Age's avatar New Age says:

      Then we need to change a lot of things in health care. A beating heart is a sign of life. The ability to show pain. Breathing can be automated now so that’s out as a sign of life. In the end, we are all just clumps of tissue so it’s very important to know our rights as clumps of cells and which people who can’t survive on their own need cared for. Do the mentally ill not deserve life? Most cannot take care of themselves and are unviable as independent units of life. Many elderly can no longer care for themselves. Is it time for termination? These are not that far off from the unborn in needs in many circumstances, but people have been fooled into thinking the unborn are not little humans. That is exactly what they are, and they deserve the same rights.

      Not caring for the most defenseless of humans is a flaw in our modern way of thinking. that can lead to other selfish decisions. Are we better as a society of people caring for each other or just looking out for #1?

      • Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

        Bestowing personhood on an innervated piece of muscle is NOT a sign of life…..it is a physiological normal function of a clump of tissue. Hyperbole is giving that clump of tissue personhood.

        Then, comparing it to the invalid and infirmed is also hyperbole and an apples to oranges comparison…..another look-over-there comment and completely irrelevant.

        Faith or belief that life or personhood starts at conception is rooted in religious dogma which has no place in embryonic or fetal development…..you have no science to back up your contention…..only a story to tell. The immaculate conception is another story I’ve never understood.

        Whereas, watching life become animated with the first breath and seeing a person die with their last breath tells me all I need to know about when personhood begins and ends. These are observable facts.

  42. bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

    Wyoming, was wondering what type of artificial baits you use for trout and reds?

    I bought a collection of Yo-Zuri suspending minnow swim baits because we were fishing the grass flats at Keaton beach. I slayed the speckled trout but only caught one red. It’s crazy that we are 1 to 1.5 miles off shore in the gulf of mexico and it’s only 5′ deep there. I even had some luck with artificial shrimp on a popping cork (closest bait shop for anything live is 14 miles away). I just put a little shrimp flavor pro-cure on them. Caught a nice 20″ flounder on that. I can’t seem to find the mullet flavor pro-cure anywhere. I may have to order that online or drive to Bass Pro in Alabama.

    Just wanted to pick the brain of an expert.

    • Wyoming85's avatar Wyoming85 says:

      For trout I use a silver spoon. Actually I’ve caught trout on just about every “bass” lure. If it’s Reds I’ll throw my cast net for mullet. Frozen Mullet work well if it’s early and the mullet are scarce.
      All I ever catch on shrimp are hard heads!
      I am no means an expert!

  43. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Pretty good group of starters on both O and D

    I’d put Tua 4th and Jackson 11th though

  44. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    pheloniusphish says:
    June 27, 2022 at 10:52 am (Edit)
    The right to bear arms is a specific, enumerated right. Privacy is not. It is inferred. All of the amendments cited as justifications used to make Roe precedent were stretches by an activist court that wanted to write law through judicial fiat. This court just set the scale back to zero. If Congress wants a federal law permitting abortion.
    β€”β€”β€”β€”-
    This court is not trying set the scale back to zero. The court has issued 3 decisions that are intellectually inconsistent with one another and all have ignored prior precedent and in some circumstances the clear language of the constitution. This court is being just as activist as the Warren court was. Spin it any way you want but this is an activist court but one with a conservative agenda as opposed to the Warren court that had a liberal agenda

    • Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

      queue the “well that is ok, pendulum, etc)

    • pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

      If deferring to the Constitution is conservatism activism, I’ll take it over liberal activism that defers to the cultural whims of the left. All day, every day.

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        But they clearly didn’t defer to the constitution, especially in the case involving religious education. They are deferring to an agenda

  45. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    pheloniusphish says:
    June 27, 2022 at 11:42 am
    Chicken Little. You just don’t like guns.

    You don’t know this, but I have a pretty nice collection. So you are wrong again….as usual.

  46. bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

    According to this court’s reasoning I can come strapped into court, school, the airport, the bar, anywhere I want and NOONE can tell me otherwise.
    ———————————–
    Here in FL, if you are under the influence and concealed carrying, you will be arrested licensed or not. I have bonded a good number of people for that, especially on DUI arrests. They go to the bar and leave their gun in the car then drive home, get pulled over for DUI. Most officers I know will charge them for both, however it can be beat in court as I believe the way the law is worded (stupid) that if it is not in their hand, it is ok. Drunk with loaded gun in hand, bad. Drunk with loaded gun on seat next to you, that’s ok. That needs to change, IMO.

    …and I am for gun rights 100%.

    Rule at our hunt camp is your guns are unloaded and secured before you pop your first beer. Also, if you have more than 3 drinks/beers in the middle of the day, you’re not going back out for the evening hunt. If you have 2 or 3, you can go out 2 hours after your last drink. If you only have 1 you can go right back out. Besides, who wants to be up in a tree stand and have to pee every 30 minutes. lol

  47. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    I have a pretty sweet pellet gun and, I’m really proud of this, I have a cat-a-pult…

  48. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    I told my buddy I bought a nice pellet gun. He said “For shooting rats or squirrels?”

    I said “No dipshit, for shooting pellets. I also have a cat-a-pult…” ba dum tss

  49. bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

    Wyoming, my experience is that trout will hit almost anything especially reflective. It’s hard to catch bait where we are at. No creeks. Just man-made canals and grass flats. Many oysters and coral rock to get hung on. Would have to use about a 4′ cast net. I do catch pin fish off the dock and use them.

  50. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Can’t stop laughing at Rock’s post, refer to my avi

    That’s great Rock!

    Not the content, the humor and timing

  51. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    steveccnv says:
    June 27, 2022 at 12:01 pm (Edit)
    Come on Ken the comic relief was hysterical🀣
    β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”
    It’s all good until someone gets butthurt. Although Rock and Phish are pretty good about not getting butthurt

  52. Wyoming85's avatar Wyoming85 says:

    The Scotus ruled on a NY restriction to the CC permit that required need to get it.

    Basically saying if you qualify for the other stipulations, it is unconstitutional to ask why you want the permit.

    Did I miss something??

  53. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    I’m going to start working on getting some training camp passes, will be in Miami first few days of Aug, scheduled to changed based on pass availability

    Anyone know how to get passes?

  54. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    I know tickets are free. Last year we got them through Ticketmaster (for no charge)

  55. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    When it comes to abortion, why do so many people use the most extreme cases?

    • pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

      Because of the rabid entitled fringe who want free abortion on demand at any point of the pregnancy on one side and the rabid fundamentalists who don’t want it under any circumstance on the other.

  56. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Bears Brian Urlacher has one response on Dolphins star: β€˜How the Fβ€” is Zach Thomas not in Hall of Fame?’ He said this on the Pat McAfee show!

  57. pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

    Ken – Rock and I can take each other. He has a safe word to use if I get too mean.

  58. pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

    Ken – Regarding the religious freedom ruling, I saw it as ending discrimination against religion. The second part of “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,… is ” or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;. Seems to me the government disqualifying an organization from government grants fell squarely in the latter and was wrong.

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      But now the effect of the ruling will mandate the funding of private religious schools. Keeping the government from funding private religious education is different than discrimination against religion.

      • pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

        How so. Gov doesn’t fund private secular schools (hence private). Why would they fund religious ones. offering grants isn’t funding and denying an entity otherwise qualified simply because they are religious based is discriminating against religion. 1st Amendment says you can’t do that.

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        The effect of the ruling is that the government will have to fund them or else it will be a deemed a discriminatory practice which is inconsistent with the constitution and 2 centuries worth of precedent

  59. pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

    Rock – LMTs are nice. Land Rover makes a nice truck. Is the custom rail and amipoint pro red dot sight what they are calling the adventure pack these days?
    https://www.landroverusa.com/sdlmedia/637868384369106781BA.jpg?v=1#desktop_Hero_Carousel_1600x900

  60. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    I was just reading an article how / which Dolphins should be signed to extensions this offseason and I learned something new. I had never heard about Proven Performance Bonuses in the NFL. I think it is very cool for the players, but I can see how it would complicate a teams control of it’s salary cap.

    https://overthecap.com/proven-performance-escalator

    Who knew? (not me)

    What brought me to look it up was an article that said Van Ginkel had a base contract of 4 year 2.8 mil but would receive 2.5 this year because of escalators. I was like that’s cool, except it is a 78% increase in his total contract amount (FOR ONLY ONE YEAR) How does a team account for that when keeping a tally?

    • pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

      Maybe it doesn’t count towards the cap since it is not controlled by the team? Article doesn’t say.

  61. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    My safe word is SPATCHCOCK

  62. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    For one thing it counts towards a later year’s cap

    He likely had something in his contract that said, if he reached a certain goal his contract the following year will be 2.5m, so that amount plus his original signing bonus probation will be his 2022 cap hit

    Every team knows what bonuses kick in the next year, it’s just part of the capologist’s job

    Sites like OverTheCap also keep track as does the NFL

    • Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

      It is in EVERY rookie contract for 2nd – 7th round picks according to the article I just read.

      • Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

        and it only counts for the 4th year of their contracts.

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        That’s cool for both sides, gives non-first rounders a chance to make some extra cash and the team a little reprieve from guys squawking about outperforming their rookie contract

  63. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    It may lead to some teams sitting guys for “no reason” just so they don’t reach the escalators built into the contract. Putting a guy on IR when he could be back in 3-4 weeks for example.

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      Then you run into what Flores is accusing Ross of, could happen, but don’t think coaches have time for that peddly behavior or player might file a complaint

  64. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    Even if New Hampshire is a key primary state, this poll was only in one state. Same time illustrates the point have made before — If Trump gets the Pres Nom the GOP will be giving up points.

    In this case he is giving up 9 points to DeSantis. That’s Yuge.
    ————————-

    “Biden beat Trump by 8 percentage points in 2020, with the poll showing Biden with a nearly identical lead in the case of a 2024 rematch. But the poll showed DeSantis edging Biden by a 47 to 46 percent margin, with 97 percent of Trump voters supporting DeSantis in that hypothetical election.”

    • pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

      My Gov is going to kick some serious ass in 2024. Get used to saying President DeSantis.

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        Forward that one on to Trump. We’ve seen to what extent he is willing to go to in order to win an election.

      • pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

        Trump is so 2000-late. He’s a has been. Time for some young blood.

  65. Wyoming85's avatar Wyoming85 says:

    Bummer

  66. herdfan's avatar herdfan says:

    Do people post football stuff on a political blog? Just asking.

  67. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    To “Spatchcock” something is to remove the spine. Basically to make something spineless….

  68. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    I will say, there is nothing quite as funny as going to a hot topic political blog and dropping some random Dolphins news in the middle of a heated discussion…

  69. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    Props to this blog community for not taking personal shots at one another as some real hard-core political decisions are being handed down from SCOTUS. I appreciate the intensity of these debates while being civil.

    stangerx says:
    June 27, 2022 at 3:16 pm
    It’s the dead season and Supreme Court rocked the world last week. A Perfect Storm.
    ———–
    Stanger, I couldn’t have said it any better, my dude.

    Please continue being respectful, all! Great job, gang! πŸ˜€
    That’s not a joke, either. I’m impressed!

  70. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    Stanger,

    Sorry for being a bit chippy with you yesterday. I understood what ya meant, man, just didn’t like the way you conveyed it regarding ‘6 hours later’. It’s good. πŸ˜‰

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      It’s all cool — maybe I’m too big a fan of playful banter centered on ironic juxtapositions.

      • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

        Clearly, I didn’t take it as playful banter in the moment… that’s on ME, not you, hence telling ya I’m sorry. You’re alright with me, Bro! πŸ™‚

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        Hence my semi-apology. And of course we’re cool.

  71. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    RIP, Marlin Briscoe. 😦

  72. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    pheloniusphish says:
    June 27, 2022 at 3:21 pm
    Maybe it doesn’t count towards the cap since it is not controlled by the team? Article doesn’t say.

    Reply

    You mean, like it is paid out of some communal fund that the teams pay into?

    Now I have to re-google it.

    (is that even a thing? Regoogle?)

    • pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

      I may be conflating it with the bonuses they hand out every year to certain players for playing time. Dunno if they’re the same.

  73. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    Via Barry…

  74. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    “β€œThe police observed the whole videotape, and charged him with second degree assault,” Giuliani said. He was irate, having just heard the charge was downgraded to a misdemeanor.

    β€œI could have fallen down … Elderly people die most often from falling down,” Giuliani said.”

    See the vicious attack for yourself.

  75. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    We’re missing two great ones on this blog as of late: D and Elephant Rider. I hope they are both alright.

  76. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    So who is Baker Mayfield going to play for this year?
    A) Seahawks
    B) Panthers
    C) Browns (that ship has probably sailed, even though Watson could be suspended all season)
    D) Other

  77. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    pheloniusphish says:
    June 27, 2022 at 3:21 pm
    Maybe it doesn’t count towards the cap since it is not controlled by the team? Article doesn’t say.

    Reply

    After further review, this money comes out of a separate pool specifically for the purpose and DOES NOT get allocated to the salary cap for each team.

    Good catch!

  78. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    Well fuck it then!

    I tried to link the tweets but they must be spamier than other tweets I am allowed to post.

  79. Wyoming85's avatar Wyoming85 says:

    Me wondering if I should respond to that post???????

  80. Wyoming85's avatar Wyoming85 says:

    It is now!
    —————————————–
    Rockphin says:
    June 27, 2022 at 4:35 pm
    ahhhh, my bad. I tried β€œsensical” stuff, which appears not to be a word….

    LOL
    —————
    nonΒ·senΒ·siΒ·cal
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    adjective
    1.
    having no meaning; making no sense.
    “a nonsensical argument”

  81. sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

    that guliani video reminds me of the time someone full speed dropkicked Arnold Schwarzenegger

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      LOL — “I only realized I was drop kicked when I saw the vid…. thought it was just crowd jostling.” Rudy crying about old people falling down and dying from a pat on the back sure ain’t the Terminator.

  82. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    pheloniusphish says:
    June 27, 2022 at 4:13 pm
    My Gov is going to kick some serious ass in 2024. Get used to saying President DeSantis.
    ——————
    Fingers crossed he runs and wins the primary. I may actually be able to stomach voting in a presidential election for the first time since 2012

  83. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    Was that an atomic Groot?

  84. Wyoming85's avatar Wyoming85 says:

    Posts lives matter

  85. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Here’s a CBS article, that has a title that’s 9 months old posing as new

    https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/dolphins-eric-rowe-trending-toward-depth-role/

    And why do we need 4.5m in cap space, I’d rather have Rowe

  86. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    Lazy writers and lazy writing bother me. This is just a BS statement.

    It is no secret that the position of a backup quarterback is an important one for the Miami Dolphins. Starter Tua Tagovailoa has an almost-infamous injury history, and counting on him to be available for all 17 games would be foolish by the front office.

  87. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    There are some who believe that Bridgewater is the most talented quarterback on the roster and even a few more who believe that he’ll be the full-time starter at some point during the season.

    Yah, douche bags and idiots.

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      No one on the Fins believes Teddy is more talented, notice how it was worded by the writer- generalized?

      Some refers to the hackstream sports media HSM

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      Bridgewater has had 3 opportunities at being the starting QB. What he has shown is that he is a very good backup QB

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        If you think Tua has a weak arm…Teddy anyone? Yet we don’t hear about his arm

        These guys are so busy giving Tua the business they seem to lose track of reality, like a political writer

  88. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    Omar keeps re-tweeting the link to his weeks old bullshit article about how Tua must come out of his shell to lead the team. Sigh, I hate this part of summer. Fuckwit just keeps pushing the narrative (lazily without even writing something a little different.)

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      Omar do what he do, should we expect anything different?

      They say Tua wasn’t real vocal, but I think that was from Flo being an asshole, and only what the media saw, during offseason workouts the last 2 years he was vocal and a leader

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        Pretty hard to be a vocal leader when the coach is an overbearing disciplinarian and isn’t in your corner.

  89. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    My son and I have tested positive for Covid. I have very mild symptoms. My son has a little bit more symptoms than I but still not too bad. He was as a summer camp counselor and that is where we think it came from. I am crossing my fingers that it remains mild

  90. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Something else that gets me is how Tua was just a game manager, it was the D that won the games

    It’s fine to have that opinion, but you’d also have to include, where was the D in the 7 game losing streak?

    Haters will be haters…like Ryan Clark getting on Hill for his comment about Tua/Mahomes, then saying MacHones (like the way that sounds) is going to win an SB in NE

  91. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    I have had 4 people in my office come down with Covid in the last 2 weeks. I was in close proximity to each of them in that time. So far I have not had any symptoms. The fist time I caught it it was horrible, I should have gone to the hospital, but I was alone and delirious. (that was the original variant that “wasn’t in the country yet”) the second time I got it (post vaccine / prebooster) it was like a moderate cold.

    I hope you and the boy’s symptoms stay mind Ken. Be well!

  92. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    There’s an article ranking our starters on O and D, Roberts was 11 on D, but he’s not on the field that much, mostly a run stuffer and on O it’s Jackson and Eichenberg at the bottom

    The rest of the roster is very good, with several guys (about 14) that should be close to PB status, if the team is successful

  93. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    This is PFF’s ranking of our ILB unit. I know from discussions on here last week some of you disagree. I tend to agree that we are closer to the bottom of the league than the top.

    25. MIAMI DOLPHINS
    Elandon Roberts and Jerome Baker are average linebackers who have just one 70.0-plus season grade among their 10 combined years in the NFL. The scheme plays a part in them making some plays. There is hope that Channing Tindall, Miami’s rookie linebacker out of Georgia, can find his way on the field.

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      I like Baker a lot. Roberts to me is JAG

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      We talked about this article, and I think Ken even had the same response

      Tindall is the key from making this unit closer to the too than the bottom

      The problem I have with it is, they’re so stuck in PFF rankings, that they don’t have a clue what they’re dealing with at a team level

      This D is modeled after Belicheat’s, where notoriety doesn’t come in the form of individual stats, because it’s schemed to spread the wealth

      Roberts surely is the weak link, but he’s just a role player, not a full time starter so to speak

  94. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    WAY TO EARLY mock draft

    TEAM PICKS
    20: R1 P20 LB Trenton Simpson – Clemson
    25: R1 P25 CB Cam Smith – South Carolina
    52: R2 P20 RB Bijan Robinson – Texas
    78: R3 P14 C John Michael Schmitz – Minnesota
    84: R3 P20 S DeMarcco Hellams – Alabama
    156: R5 P20 G Kyler Schott – Iowa
    180: R6 P4 WR Jalen Cropper – Fresno State
    236: R7 P20 P Bryce Baringer – Michigan State

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      Don’t know any of these guys, but the positions and when they’re picked seem right on

      A mock by national sports media would’ve had us trading up for a QB

      • Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

        yeah, I just used the consensus big board at this point. I don’t know any of them except Cam Smith and Bijan Robinson.

  95. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/deshaun-watson-discipline-decision-nfl-recommends-browns-qb-serve-suspension-of-at-least-a-year-per-report/

    I read an interesting article the other day that a year long suspension actually helps the Browns (assuming it was lifted the next year and not indefinite) because it would give them around 80 mil in cap space due to Watson not accruing a league year and them only having to pay him a small number next year. I guess they have to pay him this year even if suspended, but if he doesn’t accrue the played season, he basically owes them a year.

    An 11 game suspension would be the worst case scenario for them (other than indefinite) because Watson would accrue the year and they’d have to pay his normal contract numbers next year and wouldn’t have that space to surround him with FA talent.

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      His contract this year is only 1m, setup that way so his fine would be minimal, and why he signed with Clev

      How does the not accruing a league year affect anything?

      Are you saying the 1m gets pushed to next year?

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        lol, I didn’t know that was what I was saying, but yeah that must be it. I forgot this year he was getting the 1 mil, so that must be what the article meant. Since he doesn’t accrue the year, next year becomes the first year and the1 mil from his contract and it leaves the Browns with 80 mil in space.

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        I’m not buying what this guy that wrote the article is selling

        The team would then use the copious amounts of rollover cap they have saved to bring in premier talent from free agency. 2023

        If his 1m salary counts or doesn’t this year, the roll over is only 1m different

        Just seems odd, that a league year would affect his contract, so if he’s suspended for 12 games he doesn’t get credit for a league year, is what they’re saying, but if suspended the entire year his 1m salary goes into effect in 2023

        I don’t know the fine details of how the NFL has this setup, it just doesn’t make any sense for it to work like this guy is saying

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        VGK traded with Montreal for a player on LTIR, that’s not expected to ever play again, giving VGK some added cap money

        They can’t seem to explain that one, so it makes sense either

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        Don’t really care other than him being suspended week 10 against us

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        I’m not sure what doesn’t make sense in regards to the league year. We know if a player holds out and misses a certain amount of time, they don’t accrue a year and their contract gets pushed out as if that year didn’t happen. I could see it being the same for a yearlong suspension.

        To me, if the league year idea is correct, then instead of Watson being a 55 mil cap hit next year in year two of his contract, he’d only be 10 mil cap hit in year one of his contract.

        I would assume it’s the base salary and signing bonus in total, so the rollover would be 10 mil and the Browns would save 45 mil next year that they had tied up in Watson. Plus doesn’t the money you roll over gain a bonus of 10 percent or something? Or did I just make that up? lol

  96. pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

    Ken – My house has been “Rona central this week. My wife first, then me, then my son. Fairly Mild – as New Age said Day 3 was the worse. then it just kind of lingers a few days. I’m on Day 5 and other than an occasional cough and a little congestion, I feel fine.

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