I can’t say I have a clear memory as to when I became a Dolphins’ fan; that is, I don’t remember a specific day or incident I could say marked the moment of the start of my perpetual heartbreak. It is clear I was a fan by the end of the 1976 season, because I remember being disappointed with the 6-8 record…
My family moved from Somers, NY (20 miles southeast of West Point) to Miami in June of 1972- I was six years old. My dad was not a fan of following any team (I think he was a Brooklyn Dodgers fan as a boy, but when they left town, he may have decided it was not worth getting invested), but he was athletic, and was always willing to toss a ball around with me (football, basketball, baseball, tennis…). I got a football uniform for Christmas that year, complete with pads and a helmet- Minnesota Vikings colors without any of the logos. I would put it on and run around like a crazy person, and my dad would “tackle” me. We had a neighbor who was big into watching the Dolphins on TV, and his wife would go crazy watching Mercury Morris running the ball. We could hear her screaming, “Run, you black son of a bitch!” (This was the 70’s, not a very “PC” time in the southern US; I remember mom being a little uncomfortable around this person, but I didn’t understand why, as I had no idea what my neighbor was saying or what it was in reference to- I was young!).
The Dolphins were “the team” of that era, if not nationally then at least locally, and since there was nothing competing for our attention (the next professional team did not arrive in South Florida until the mid 80’s), we were always hearing about Don Shula and Larry Czonka and Bob Griese, and other guys with names like Kuechenberg, Nottingham, Little, Den Herder, Scott, and they were spoken of like they were mythological heroes. People would report sightings of them around town, if you were lucky enough to see any one of them you were the coolest kid for the next few days. When the kids in my neighborhood would get together to play a game, I always wanted to be Paul Warfield or Duriel Harris or Nat Moore, even though I was neither the fastest nor tallest (my saving grace was I had really good hands and would catch just about anything thrown my way). As I got older I became more interested in things outside of the season, like who was on the team and who we drafted or who retired- I vaguely remember the return of Czonka in ’79, how he was welcomed back as the “Prodigal Son Returned”. At this point I could recite starting lineups on both sides of the ball, as well as backups and even most of the coaches.
I have only been to 2 games, but if I remember correctly the Dolphins won each. This was sometime between 1979 and 1982, which means both were at the Orange Bowl. I sat in the endzone for one game, and the north stands for the other. I went with friends of my dad each time, but he didn’t go. I don’t remember anything in particular about either game; I don’t have any memorabilia. I just remember being excited to actually go and see the Dolphins play.
Another poignant moment of my fanhood memory was the strike-shortened season where we made it to the Super Bowl. Mom and dad had separated and mom was broke most of the time, though she worked and went to school without complaining to us about dad or money problems. Somehow she scrounged up enough to order a pizza and get a 2 liter bottle of Coke, and she my youngest sister and I watched as the Dolphins found themselves on the wrong side of an aging John Riggins’ rushing explosion that led to MVP honors for the game. We lost, it sucked- but it was a good memory of time spent with family you find altogether too hard to duplicate as the years go by. Mom is 70 now, a life-long smoker, and has COPD. I don’t know how much longer she’ll be around, but I know she loves the Dolphins because of my sister and I. Just recently she said to me during a conversation about football, “I just hope to live to see the Dolphins win one more Super Bowl”.
The day I realized what being a fan could cost me, and the depths of depression one could descend to, was the playoff game against San Diego, January 2nd, 1982. The ups and downs of that game, the feeling we could do it, Winslow blocking the winning field goal, the overtime, Kellen Winslow dying on the field only to be resurrected (twice!), another blocked kick, the second overtime, Winslow being carried off the field… It’s possible I cried that day, I can’t remember. A guy I was in high school with and who was interning with a photographer for the Miami Herald was at that game, and I helped him develop film, including Winslow being held up by teammates. He told me about being there and the atmosphere of the place, and how hard it was to be there when San Diego won. I’ve had other moments of disappointment with the Dolphins, including the 2 Super Bowl losses in the 80’s, but that game, though we lost, was the single most galvanizing event for me as a fan, because I lived and died with each possession, each success or missed opportunity, and I really believe that not one member of the Dolphins team could have felt worse than I did when Benirschke made that kick. They fought, they bled, they played hard, and they never gave up, even when they were down 24-0 in the first quarter. Who wouldn’t be a fan of a team that represented its city so epically? How could you help it?
Thanks for letting me share my story of Dolphins fandom with you. I look forward to reading others’ recollections. We can always hope the return to glory is just around the corner.
Finsmob Unleashed 
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What a story. About your neighbor being a racist. Well back in the day I went to a practice and they were practicing closest side to the locker rooms. We were about 15-20 feet between the team and them praticing. Well to make a story short Mercury Morris was running away on a sweep and one of the Dolphins defensive players used the N word and said “come here you N” I believe it was Nick Bounicotti(sic). This was after the first SB so it would have been the perfect season. You have to understand their was only a couple black (7-12) players on most teams back then also. Racism was alive very much back then.
Great job Trypod telling a great story. Thanks for sharing it with us. 🙂
Lisa great job hiding the smiley face. kinda tricky to find this time.Is it still gonna highlight itself when Tim and Mike E comment?
TRULY, TRULY, OUTSTANDING, TRYPOD!!! – – To this day, the loss to San Diego in that memorable playoff game hurts worse than any other loss in Dolphins’ history. – – I just CAN’T bring myself to write a story about it, although Lord knows I’ve tried. IT JUST HURTS TOO MUCH!!!
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Far less well known is the fact that ONE YEAR LATER, almost to the day, San Diego played at Miami in the playoffs. “DREAM REMATCH” said the Miami Herald!! – – I could not sleep for two days prior to the game. Then, finally, it was kickoff time in the historic Orange Bowl!! -Fans in the stands were beserk BEFORE A SINGLE PLAY HAD BEEN PLAYED!! –We all hoped for another wild west shoot-out, with a different ending. BUT IT NEVER HAPPENED!! –Miami totally dominated the Chargers in a very lopsided game that was over by the third quarter. Even mediocre QB David Woodley had a huge day. –And Miami’s “Killer B’s” hounded, pummelled, and SACKED Dan Fouts into oblivion!!! – – But, somehow, it didn’t seem to be as satisfying as we all hoped it would be. To this day, there’s still an emptiness in my heart that can’t be replaced by a dozen wins over the Chargers. –And, to this day, the San Diego Chargers have never again defeated Miami in their home stadium!! –The Fins are, I believe, something like 6-0 or 7-0 over San Diego in south Florida since “The Greatest Playoff Game of All Time!”
Have a great day, Dolfans!! – – The Old Dolfan will talk to you after work.
Great story Tripod
I hope you like the pics we added
Thanks Trypod for sharing your fan origins with us.God Bless your mom I hope she and all of us see one more Super Bowl.
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Awesome job Trypod I am stoked you shared your origins story with us. I hope more out there do the same.
Try,
That was a very touching, personal account of becoming a Dolphins fan. Thanks so much for sharing that with all of us. That was great man, I really enjoyed it.
Good job TP!
LOL. We got hit by a decent amount of ice last night, 2/10″, and that is now getting covered by up to 6″ of snow. I’d rather have 24″ of snow versus ice. By car was completely iced over this morning & my tires were frozen to the driveway.
Good stuff, TryPod. A very enjoyable read.
Good morning,
Thanks to you all for the kind words. Mike, thanks for fixing my error, thanks to admin for supplying pictures, as I wasn’t sure how to go about doing so. I really do hope once a week or so during the off-season, more of our fan origins will be published. As Mike and I recently discussed, at this point and during the passing of several years and blog formats, we are more friends than we are Dolphins fans who just talk about football, and as such we should know a little bit more about who we are as a collective. I was glad to do it- I hope more will do the same.
Totally agree with your sentiments above
It would be great if all of you guys that come here could write your fan origin story. We’d love to publish them here. It is a great way to learn a little more about each other.
BTW – It’s a touchy subject, so I’ll tread carefully, and it’s totally possible that Try Pod’s neighbor was racist, but to me, shouting “Run you black sonofabitch” is similar to if Paul Soliai recovered a fumble and had running room and someone shouted “Run you fat sonofabitch” I think it’s more a case of a non-PC statement than actual racism, but of course, it really matters from whom it’s coming from, the context, and to know what that person is all about.
Yeah, as you can imagine, I considered not putting that in, but I realized it was a part of my history of becoming a fan. Incidentally, I do not think the woman was any more racist than any other person. My thoughts on it are that at that time, people were less sensitive to these terms, and did not consider them particularly hurtful or racist, rightly or wrongly.
No doubt about it. The world was far less PC back then.
It wasn’t racist, and im not sure by that statement you could even say it was prejudice, the word black was in there but there doesn’t seem to be any hate directed towards him, so its not racism, and i don’t see anything indicating she thought of him or his race as “lesser” so id say not prejudice. Maybe other things about their lives would tell the real story, but that statement to me doesn’t do it.
You also have to take into context, this was ’72, 5 years removed from the peak of the civil rights movement, and a woman who if in her 30’s at this time probably spent 20 years of her life with near 0 exposure to blacks and the prejudices and racism they endured, and 20 years of indoctrination through upbringing. I dont think its right for that generation to be racist, or have prejudice, biut in perspective, how could you expect them not to be ya know?
Again, im not promoting or defending racism, but the real issue we have in the world today is continuing to extend the life of racism by labeling things that aren’t racism as racism, and not doing enough to expose and squash the things that really are.
I agree D – I think we’re on the same page.
D,
I can’t disagree with much of what you say, but consider if the person running the ball was white, she would likely not have said, “Run, you white sonofabitch!”. Again, I don’t think it displayed bigotry or racism necessarily, but I can see the underlying essence of both.
D — agree……especially that PC has gotten out of control.
Not kid appropriate, but still funny as shit:
@Dbolt48: Most undersold Will Ferrel scene of all time. https://t.co/GEDVxhd9AZ
Try — just a real great piece. Since your hands were so good too bad OJ McDuffie wasn’t around yet.
“I have only been to 2 games”……..I’m hoping there is a third in your future next year. Would be great to meet you.
Thanks! It is always possible I will attend another.
Never saw that before. LMAO!!!
You talking about the clip?
Yes D-Bolt. Very funny
And on the racist comment……gotta keep in mind how times have changed and that guy was talking about Mercury Morris.
Even if not all, some of the folks in my family were the nicest people but they would come out with stuff that would make me real uncomfortable. I’d be thinking “Uncle Charlie (great one actually) how the frick can you say that???”
Uncle Charlie had two kids, eight grandchildren, and now a bunch of great grand kids.” None of them say anything like that.
Try, enjoyed reading the history too, didnt mean to just replay about that one segment.
Dolphins working on Tannehill contract extension?
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/dave-hyde-blog/sfl-hyde5-are-dolphins-working-on-tannehill-extension-20150209-story.html?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+DaveHyde-blog+%28Dave+Hyde+|+Sun+Sentinel+blogs%29
“Impending free agent defensive tackle Jared Odrick could be a hot commodity, and the expectation is he’ll receive at least $6 million annually, reports the Palm Beach Post. A source told the paper it would be a surprise if the Dolphins don’t re-sign Odrick.”
Whether you think he is worth it or not, at his age the $6 mil per seems about right in terms of what he will get.
$6 mil a year? Let Odrick walk. Addition by subtraction imo
Buh-bye Odrick
But then you don’t you have to keep Starks or draft DT in the first. And Starks is set for $6 mil……but a renegotiation might be possible.
That’s why I don’t think he’ll be back.
If people focused on what racism really is as opposed to questionable comments people make in jest, society would get along a lot better. But like many things, racism has been bastardized to the point of over sensitivity. Except in certain genres where there are clear double standards. But let’s not harp on that. 🙂
Sexism or prejudice based on sex, is IMO, probably the most alive and undervalues “ism” still alive today. Think of how many times you go to a place like Lowes and see a woman working in one of the departments and think to yourself, she probably cant help you with your project, but if a man was there your would listen to his word as if it came from a professional. Just one little item i can think of in everyday life, but just trying to think of more i came up with several items withing just a couple minute thinking over it.
Stanger
What’s so bad about drafting a DT? We need to improve, not stay the same.
Nothing bad about it. Just would hate to see us locked into one position in the first.
Kendall Langford signed for 4 years and $22 mil. See him then and Odrick now as similar. But hey, Langford didn’t sign that with the Phins.
I think Odrick, like Langford, is better as a 3-4 DE rather than a 4-3 DT.
I agree with that…..which may be why another team will give him more cause he has greater value to them.
Langford was way overpaid too.
I don’t think we have to draft a DT at #14 because we let Odrick walk. We need an anchor type DT that isn’t demanding elite money to play in the rotation and there are options in FA that will be half the price of Odrick. I would keep Starks for another year and along with Mitchell we’ll have a 3 man rotation not counting the 4 young DTs we’ll have competing. Like I said before, I feel Fede can do some of the versatile things Odrick did. It’s not a dire situation, we had to get more stout than Odrick at DT anyway.
Anthony Johnson is in the mix too. He’s a talented guy, hopefully he can stay healthy and show something.
He’s one of the 4 young DTs I mentioned.
Unless we dig into FA, would like to see either Starks or Odrick back. DT ain’t like RB no matter who we draft.
6 mil a year for Odrick is too much for us, he isnt as suited for our defense and although his play isnt shit, its also doesnt provide an impact that justifies those numbers. We could probably sign Williams or Knighton for just slightly more, with a greater impact where we need it most, run stoppage.
Starks is better than Odrick imo. Draft a DT is an option and Fede is waiting in the wings too
We can draft a guy but like Tim was saying, it doesnt have to be at R1P14 and i dont think it will be.
Agreed
I’d keep Odrick here. He plays a ton of snaps and he does it in multiple spots. His versatility and what is now becoming vet savvy is well worth keeping him here.
Otherwise what do you have, here’s you’re reward for being healthy the last 4 years and playing a ton of snaps ina couple of different defenses – now go fuck off.
We used a first round pick on the guy and he plays at a high level I see no reason to lose him.
He gets a ton but does not make a lot of plays
His production is in line with most at his position.
He was part of a DT unit that yielded tons of run yardage, i do like his versatility, but production wise, our defense didn’t get things done with a large part of the blame being on the DL, of which as you said he plays more snaps than anyone there. You have to consider those things and ask if the versatility to be used in special packages (of which that is only a small portion of the time) really outweighs the more higher percentage of playing out of position and getting dominated. Odrick isn’t a bad player i just don’t think for how we use him, or what guy we need int hat position, it will ever be more than decent production out of him. I think best for us and him would be for he to go to a system that utilizes him better and for us to get a more “fit” for our DL.
Anyone tired of Kayne West not liking the outcome of the Grammy Awards and basically showing his racist side every time a white artist wins over a black artist? By the way Kayne, your performance sucked ass as did your song as usual and the applause basically echoed that while other performances got huge ovations. Be lucky that you even get to do what you do for a living because you’re one of the most overrated talents in the biz!
I feel the same way and I didn’t even come close to watching the Grammies.
I normally don’t either but my wife was watching until she went to bed so I flipped back and forth to see if there were some good performances and there were. I seriously don’t get anything Kayne West does. Every time he performs it’s too long, boring and lacking in any kind of creativity whatsoever. He’s also a racist asshole so I hope they keep disappointing him. LOL
Kanye lives off the publicity he gets for his antics. At one time i would have said he was a moderately talented music producer, and probably a decent performer. He has revitalized some 80’s styles and put those back into music and i think definitely at one time was doing better things than his counter parts. I think though he took the easy way out by trying to stay in the limelight through something other than the quality of his music. Its sad because if he put as much effort toward music production as he does finding a way to snatch the spotlight back to himself, he probably would be one of the few people, in his industry, turning out decent stuff these days.
I don’t know the depth of his work and will never look into it, but what I’ve heard of him does nothing for me. I’m not a rap and hip hop guy but I’ve heard much better stuff than what he puts out. Pharrell Williams’ performance was very good and the tune had a cool groove to it. I could see Kayne’s face after every performance because they showed his reaction a lot, and it said that they were all blowing his crap away. LOL
I actually think when he was new he was pretty creative and his work was interesting
I don’t follow him though
I haven’t heard anything he has done lately
But the feedback I hear isn’t good
He defiantly gives me the impression of some one that has lost sight of making good music and focused on being a celebrity
But he was always bombastic in terms of what he said
And I don’t think that is staged
I think that is who he is
D,
Kanye hadn’t performed in 6 years until recently. He’s perfect for Kardashian because it’s all about the attention. Jay Z must get tired of him riding Beyonces ass like a second skirt.
I didn’t watch the Grammies
But he is just disrespectful
Trypod,
Great story! I’ll have to add mine soon it looks like.
I agree with Son and feel the exact opposite of most. Odrick was used all the time by the coaches and is good value at $6 mill. Starks is getting OLD! Why use an early pick on a guy that may never get better than Odrick? Why keep the old guy? Our best 2 FA guys are considered Odrick and Clay. Clay is a walking injury sheet and yet we want to keep that guy? Why? Odrick has provided immense value and if we want to upgrade, why not remove Starks and keep a young DL?
I also like that Odrick is willing to say what he feels. Isn’t that part of leadership? What has Starks really shown beside the “i wanna get paid’ attitude?
I tend to agree on keeping Odrick and dumping Starks
I think Starks is better
But I question whether he has much left
Odrick at 6M isn’t really that bad
new age, Kayne hadn’t performed in 6 years at the grammys but he’s performed at other events unless that 6 years ago went by really quickly. I could swear I’ve seen him on other shows.
Does anyone honestly think if we had Jim Hairball we would be further along as a team than we are right now?
Not necessarily the roster
But I think we might be a better team
Tim,
I’m sure you are right. I’m glad it feels like 6+ years since I’ve heard his mega-mouth.
LOL
Im not a rap person either, but like Piggy was saying, when he first broke onto the scene he was doing very creative stuff. The extent i know of him is limited to what i see in the media and hear in his music and i would agree with you what he turns out now is tired and he doesn’t seem to have any of what he had before left. His public image is shit, he is a complete asshat and enjoys the attention he gets from it. Completely and utterly self involved and it has only increased while his music quality has decreased. Today, he as was mentioned, is really just another Kardashian.
Maybe he can change his name to Kaynardashian. LOL
So Dave Hyde is reporting that his source is informing him that the Dolphins are working on a contract for Tannehill with the framework being 7yr $105 million. Team opt out option year 3 and player option years 6&7
Thats a decently fair contract.
Its pretty much what he would be getting next year on the 5th year extension but locking that number in for 7 years and im sure spreading the love in a very cap friendly way
Yep….It also allows the team to really prepare their cap management for the upcoming seasons.
Piggy:
I like Starks on a short term deal much better than Odrick on a long term one
If you can get Odrick on a Short term deal it’s worth it IMO
I really have no idea what kind of $ Odrick wants
But i can’t imagine it big $
And he is still young
I think we got the most out of Starks that he has to give
New Age that would be awesome if you contributed an origins story. Keep them coming guys
If I had to take Starks or Odrick….its Odrick. Starks can have 2game spurt that’s better than Odrick, but he then falls completely off the map. Odrick is the better player today. That being said we need a space eater more than either of those two.
If we drafted a 330 pound guy and he was next to Odrick
I think I would feel comfortable at DT for a little while
And work in Mitchell as well
Just need those big bodies to take snaps off from Odrick & Mitchell.
Odrick has been an ironman for this team since his injury in his first season and his snap count is extremely high compared to the other DT’s on this team. Because of that it would make the most sense to bring him back and let Starks walk since Starks doesn’t play the number of snaps Odrick plays but I’d also like us to draft one of the top 3 or 4 DT’s out there to help shore up the line. Anthony and Kamal Johnson and DeAndre Coleman could add some much needed depth on the line and maybe spell Odrick for a bit to get his snap count down some. Maybe that’s one of the reasons why the D gets tired too. Both Odrick and Vernon have high snap counts. Shelby is used in there for Wake, Mitchell and Starks switch off but Odrick and Vernon play A LOT of snaps.
Yeah, I think Odrick played somewhere near 849 snaps this year. Starks and Mitchell were only in the 500 count.
Piggy, Starks’ durability is probably is what is hurting him later in his career. – he has played a ton of reps and it’s natural to start slowing down after 11 seasons. That’s why I would want to bring in a proven anchor who can handle double teams, cut back on Starks’ snaps and rotate him with the new guy and Mitchell and possibly Fede at DT on passing downs. That might improve his productivity later in the season.
I wouldn’t lock up Odrick at $6M per year on a 4 or 5 year deal which he is likely to get. I don’t think he makes enough of an impact.
If you have a 4-5 year deal at 6m by year 3 or 4 you can probably cut him with little salary cap casualty then
Yep. I’m not huge on locking Odrick up, but he’s my preference over Starks. As long as we get some really good space eaters to pair up and rotate with, then I’m content.
If we get a Tanny deal done now it’s a smart move
It’s really smart….Lock him up and get building around him the right way.
I don’t see Starks commanding a long term deal at this point while Odrick is going to want one
“Ah Christ, the purple dildo’s back.”
Huh?
Did you watch the YouTube link I posted earlier? If not, that’s wher you’ll find the answer.
Dbolt,
I would like a space eater with Odrick. Someone like Williams or Shelton teamed with him sounds great to me. I personally want White(WR) or Parker in the first but Shelton would be the best defensive pick IMO. I dont even like our options at 14 with any other defensive player. I just dont see a lot of elite on D this year early.
Brown, Phillips and Bennett are every bit the prospect Odrick was coming out of college and I wouldn’t mind seeing any of them playing for us.
Sad thing is Davis, when he’s tuned in, could be that guy we could really use. I just don’t trust players who play when they want to and take a lot of plays off.
If we went Shelton at 14, then I’m making sure I nab Breshad Perriman in the 2nd round for my big WR.
Perriman will probably still be there in the 3rd
That’s even better, but I’ve heard more “draft gurus” saying he is being looked as a 2nd round prospect. I think a lot will be answered at the combine. If he runs in the mid 4.4’s he’ll go in round 2. If not, then def. A chance of the 3rd.
Ken, Starks has one year left on his deal at $6M. I don’t think Odrick makes enough of an impact to sign him long-term at $6M per but that’s just me. He’s never developed into the player I thought he’d be. He’s solid and versatile, but like Langford before him, not special.
This kid is going to move into the 2nd rd after the Combine:
If he puts a low 4.5 on the clock then that is a possibility.
He was timed a 4.52. We’ll see what he can do.
Dbolt, here’s the snap count for players.
http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/player-defensive-snap-count-stats/2014/
Pro. Lou,
Yeah, those guys are probably as good as Odrick (or better) but will they eat space? Will they instantly be better than Odrick or will it take time? Is using s FA contract on Williams who will cost more than Odrick and a early pick on one of those guys a large upgrade?
Now if we can get a white or parker early, one of those guys in the 2nd or 3rd and also get Williams? Then, I definitely wouldn’t mind that. I just don’t see the benefit of Starks over Odrick in any scenario. Older guy that is breaking down vs the younger option who plays more.
I’m over posting on the wrong blog. LOL @ me. Nicely done Trypod, great write and read.
LOL @ you guys and your fear of the pc police. Why am I the only one for whom “try not to do things that come off as racist or sexist” works? Some of you act like victims because you have to consider the feelings of others. The concept of trying not to offend people isn’t offensive (to me at least!).
Regarding Wallace, from the other page:
Please either set me straight why I’m wrong, about this picture (from overthecap.com annotated by me) or lets collectively acknowledge, cutting Wallace SAVES the team money and SAVES the team cap space.
This isn’t an opinion on whether he should stay or go, I trust those in house to make that call, and I support it either way.
Well there you go!
What do you mean by “you guys”? I’m deeply offended by the separatist tones in your statement😝
You not liking that term really affects my life in a profoundly negative way. Stop the PC!!!!!!!! LOL…
I will in no way stop the PC!!!! I have to make my Penis Corrections throughout the day and will not stop….for anyone, unless my wife is going to make the corrections for me!
Tim:
Didn’t realize Starks had a year left. Makes the decision even easier imo
Thanks to our BFF Dawn he is completely cuttable. Other than $1 mil left from the signing bonus on the cap (which we pay no matter what), he might as well be a FA.
Son,
You beat me to it on Odrick. Versatile, solid in all phases, can get to the QB, good character, locker room guy, and one of our own. If you are going to overpay a bit do it on your own guys. You know what you’re getting and it sends the right message to the players. I hope we keep him for a fair price.
Might be cheaper to just extend Tannehill and then sign him next season, but I don’t have a problem with doing it now. He’s shown enough to make me feel comfortable with him as our QB for the next several years. I don’t see any reason he won’t keep improving. Still no clue where his ceiling is, but I don’t think he’s an elite guy. Good enough to win Superbowls with though and that’s about all you can ask for. Getting a Manning/Brady/Rogers/Luck is not an easy thing to do.
Piggy,
Wallace would still eat over 9 mill in dead money though. That’s basically the price of Wake for another year. I’m not going to say Wallace is a must have for next year but I can’t think of releasing him as anything over than wasting money and talent in a year Philbin needs both. I remember several articles about Coughlin having to change his ways to improve his team. I don’t think Philbin has the luxury of doing things differently than that. Unless he wants to compete with Sparano for OL jobs later. Getting rid of talent makes your team weaker.
Ugh, dont know why I saw Piggy instead of Jahn.
Because this is what Jahn wears when he goes surfing. LOL
The dead cap money does eat up cap space, but it DOES NOT eat up more cap space then his cap number would (the blue bar) if he stays on the team.
Thus. it’s this simple, and we don’t need to address dead cap money at all: If he’s cut, we get MORE cap space to work with on the 2015 roster, not less.
To further clarify. When you cut a player, you no longer pay his salary, or count his cap number against your cap- you eat the dead cap space instead. Wallace’s dead cap number is LOWER then his cap number. Net: extra space on the cap if he were to be cut.
Is not the blue bar the one where we are paying to keep him? So, in other words we can pay to actually use his talents, or pay almost as much for another team to use his talents. I’d rather option 1 really.
One last thing, dead cap money is not real money, the team doesn’t pay it to anyone. it’s an accounting place holder, nothing more.
Jahn based on what I saw (and not including June designation re-arrange or a trade), Wallace’s price to us next year overall is under $3 mil. Hard to say he ain’t worth that.
Jahn, that is likely why Wallace reached out to Hickey to stay a Dolphin. He knows he’ll never get this kind of money again.
Odrick can get to the QB – Yeah, maybe if no one was blocking him, and the QB was slow. Odrick played a ton of snaps, and had one sack, for a guy who is supposed to be a penetrating DT. he can’t stop the run, he can’t get to the QB, so what exactly is he doing?
If you’re going to point out in the past that Odrick had 6 sacks, or 5 sacks, or 4.5 sacks, he got those as a 3-4 End. I wouldn’t pay $6M plus for a guy who stays on the field, but doesn’t do anything on it.
Mike E,
He had 4.5 last year and 5 the year before. This is under Coyle for most of his playing career so far. We can’t just get rid of both DT can we? Is he not better than an older Starks who played barely 60% of his snaps?
Tim, New Age, Jahn, and any I missed-
Thank you for the kind words. Feel free to write your own fan history so we can read it!
I did on the last blog a few years ago. I can go look for it in my files and have the admin here post it here. No reason to write it again, nothing has changed. LOL
professor lou says:
February 9, 2015 at 12:13 pm (Edit)
Does anyone honestly think if we had Jim Hairball we would be further along as a team than we are right now?
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Assuming we had the same players (Dolphins roster), oh hell yeah I do!
Well, of course you would.
Debatable, but I don’t think it’s as cut and dry and you think it may be.
Harbaugh finished 8-8 this season with a roster that arguably much better talent than that of the Fins.
“Is not the blue bar the one where we are paying to keep him? So, in other words we can pay to actually use his talents, or pay almost as much for another team to use his talents. I’d rather option 1 really.”
This is mistaken because it assumes we pay the number in the red space, but the fins don’t pay anything if he’s cut they merely take a charge against the cap. Dead cap money is not money that gets paid to anyone. It just decreases the cap. So your choice is: PAY 12.1 Million and have 12.1 Million of your cap space taken up, or PAY ZERO and have 9.6M of your cap space taken up.
We don’t care what the team pays, we just care what we have in cap space. I don’t think there’s a person on here that cares if we had $10B payroll. Like New Age said, he counts as $9M spent against the cap this season, whether he actually gets the money or not, right?
Jahn,
I understand but it is a limiter right? While it’s not real, it does impact real decisions right? The question is, “are we better with Wallace?” I think the question should be, “can Philbin coach well enough to save his job and can he handle the responsibilities of a basic manager?” I’ve managed several places and working with difficult people is part of the job. I’d hate to think Philbin gets paid what he does and can’t handle basic employee relations better than that for the next 11 months.
Of course it impacts the decision, but HOW it impacts it is exactly what I’m trying to show you. I can’t be any clearer. Pay the man AND decrease your 2015 capspace by 12.1 million or DON’T pay him AND decrease your capspace by 9.6M.
“Jahn based on what I saw (and not including June designation re-arrange or a trade), Wallace’s price to us next year overall is under $3 mil. Hard to say he ain’t worth that.”
Ok, so your choice is to PAY 3M, take a CAP HIT of 12.1M, or cut him and PAY 0, take a cap hit of 9.6M
What he’s worth isn’t what I’m trying to illuminate for you guys. I think a guy who’s willing to quit on his team is worth negative 1Billion dollars. 🙂
Whether taking the hit cause he is a cancer is a different subject……but I ain’t worried about Ross’ checking account. Only the team’s cap. 🙂
Then you have to decide what’s a bigger cap hit, 12.1 or 9.6. Even simpler.
But the $12.1 comes with Wallace playing. Maybe I don’t get your point.
Clearly not. Not sure how much clearer I can be. The team has more capspace if he’s gone. There is no financial disincentive to cutting him whatsoever.
YEAH, FUCK THAT TURD!!!!!!!!
Jahn
Nice wetsuit
LMAO!
And I want to be clear. Some of you are setting up Philbin to be the scapegoat once again if Wallace gets cut. I think that’s wrong. If Wallace gets cut it’s because he quit on his team in the ultimate team game and the current Dolphins believe he could do it again. If he stays it’s because he’s convinced them that he WON’T do it again. It’s all up to him.
I really don’t believe behavior like that should be cowtowed too just because the dude can run fast when he feels like it.
Jahn,
It is a worth question but I don’t want 10 million in space to be declared off limits just because Hickey has to play nursemaid between the coaching staff and their players.
That bothered me too. Not sure why the meeting was with Hickey and not Philbin. Bad sign…..but may be another time we didn’t get full info.
It’s 9.6 and I’ve given that exact number a dozen times now. But it’s 12.1 in cap space declared off limits if he stays. It’s SOOO simple.
Just say you want him to stay, but please stop insinuating it’s better financially if he does, because it’s not.
What exactly are you getting with the 9.6 Jahn. Tell me one thing to are getting with the 9.6. I can tell you exactly who we get with the 12.1. Apples to apples, I can guarantee more production from that 21.1 than the 9.6 100% of the time if Wallace is played. Any simpler?
You get a player WHO QUIT ON HIS FOOTBALL TEAM.
New Age – Like I said, Odrick got those sacks as a DE. He’s playing DT now, and he’s not making the same impact, more snaps, less sacks. He’s also a liability against the run. Starks has 1 more year on his contract, so play him this year, albeit a little less to keep him fresh. Draft a DT this year, and with Anthony Johnson, Fede, and the new draft pick, we’ll have a nucleus.
Mike E, not really because Starks isn’t worth much after his contract. So you draft a DT this year and then a DT next year to make the nucleus. I like that far less than drafting DT, keeping Odrick and keeping your nucleus this year for the forseeable future. I see no value in a 31 yr old who already has his snaps decreased from last year.
Lou – Of course it’s debatable, but looking at what Harbaugh did with an underachieving team in SF, and the heights he brought them to, it’s hard not to think he could do better than Joe, who has shown nothing but average to less that average.
BTW – Did you catch my reply about Philbin hiring Coyle and Sherman last night?
I read that a long time ago. It doesn’t say anywhere HE hired Coyle.
Lou – You can’t be serious. It most certainly DOES say that.
The Miami Dolphins named Mike Sherman their offensive coordinator and Kevin Coyle their defensive coordinator on Friday.
The two veteran NFL coaches became new coach Joe Philbin’s first hires. Both were Philbin’s long-time friends, and first choices.
“They are exactly what I am looking for in terms of leadership, character, and teaching ability,” Philbin said. “They are both very passionate about the game of football and the players they coach, and that enthusiasm is evident in the meeting rooms and on the field….I can’t wait to get started to work with them.”
Harbaugh finished 8-8 this past season. Same think as Philbin. More talent on his team. Easily.
I think Hairball walked into the right situation at the right time. Had 3 good years because he had the nucleus of players to win. But, 8-8 is 8-8 whether it’s he or Philbin.
OK, so I can pay someone $12M to catch 10 TD’s, OR, I can just lose $9.6M dollars. Real tough decision there.
So I can pay a malcontent 12M to quit on his team or not have that cancer in my locker room? Real tough decision there.
Wow. If he was a cancer, he would have been cut already, there would be no tough decision. He played hard for 15 games last year, I know, because I watched them. He fucked up, and made a mistake in the last game, which IMO, all of his teammates save for Landry looked like they were sleepwalking. You’ve exaggerated your point significantly.
Not exaggeration. Corollary.
If he’s going to be a problem child only playing when he gets his way….yes $9.6 million is worth him not being on the team.
Dont’ go there Dbolt! It’s not 9.6!!!! It’s 2.5 MORE cap room if he’s gone.
Whatever Mike says, he quit on the team. He QUIT on the team. HE QUIT ON HIS TEAM.
Make excuses and coddle because you like his 10 TDs, but I’ve seen this team replace 20 sacks, and I’ll see it replace 10 TDs.
I was staying neutral because I really do defer to Hickey/Phiblin/Tannenbaum on whether he stays or go, but this discussion has unearthed the real reason some want to keep him: They hate Philbin and they’re choosing sides.
“We don’t care what the team pays, we just care what we have in cap space. I don’t think there’s a person on here that cares if we had $10B payroll. Like New Age said, he counts as $9M spent against the cap this season, whether he actually gets the money or not, right?”
I’m starting to feel like I’m on an episode of punked. He’s 12.1M in cap space if he stays, he’s 9.6m in cap space if he goes. Every single one of you arguing with me has made it clear you want him to stay. My only point is to please decouple that argument with anything having to do with cap space, because the team has MORE cap space if he gets cut then if he stays.
See my post right above this.
See my reply. I want you guys to own your argument and stop pretending it has anything to do with cap space or real money. The team is better off in both departments if he gets cut.
If what you are saying is you think the team better off without him……then point understood. IF that the case, would be nice to trade him and not have to pay the three mil left on his guaranteed though.
“the team has MORE cap space if he gets cut then if he stays.” Maybe we are talking two different things cause that is absolute truth to me. My only point was if he stays he will be lining up at WR for a bit over two mil in cost versus the cap.
I’m not setting Philbin up for anything. He’s set himself up the last 3 years.
Yeah ok.
I won’t cry if we cut Wallace. I really liked him right up to the point when he quit on the team. Hard to excuse that imo
Jahn,
I get a guy who wasn’t used to his fullest potential still get 10 TDs. I get a unique threat that has to be game planned against. I get a guy who was defended by his teammate even after he quit. OIf he was the only player that had issues with this coaching staff, then I might be more concerned. There was a lot of second guessing and after seeing another 8-8, I’m not on Joe’s bandwagon.
Once again, Wallace is difficult to work with. Philbin needs to find a way. He isn’t getting millions of dollars to keep the bubblegum off the field. He needs to show his worth not his limitations.
You get a guy who quit on his team. it’s clear this has nothing to do with money or cap space, but that’s all my original post addressed.
I 100% want Wallace on our team. I have not hid behind anything, I want him on our team. We’re a better football team with him on it. What I certainly do not want to do is lose Wallace, and $9.6M against the cap. That’s a LOSE – LOSE
You gain 2.5 in cap space. I started this with a very analytical post about the cap implications. That’s still what I’m focusing on. I’ll leave the emotional stuff and coach bashing to you.
You gain $2.5M, but you lose the player, or you can say you spent $9.6M and got nothing for it. Also a fact.
You can say it, but that doesn’t make it a fact, because nobody spends the 9.6.
I second this. Wallace was overpaid but he’s still very talented. It’s one more year and he did play hard almost all season which can’t be said for some.
I don’t hate Philbin but I have no sympathy. He’s getting paid to coach what he has on the field. He gets a TON of leeway on who we get and who teaches them to play. This team is average and people aren’t asking for his newborn child. They are asking for leadership and management from the guy hired to provide it. He needs to get his ass together, get enough balls to talk to Wallace himself, and fix the problem. Leadership, my ass. Seen better from inexperienced kids than this long term coach in managing personalities.
No Jahn – YOU called him a team cancer, Branden Albert wants Wallace back. I see a HUGE hole in your accusation bud. Correlate that!
Barry Jackson wrote:
### Count Branden Albert among Dolphins players who won’t be happy if Mike Wallace is jettisoned. “Mike Wallace better stay in Miami – that’s my guy,” Albert tweeted.
I was channeling Dbolt as a corollary to your oversimplification of “what you get”. it was the other side of the argument. Corollary.
On that part, I don’t know enough to judge. Hoping they can work it out, but not sure what else to do. If Philbin doesn’t want him back, then I’ll just have to trust in Joe, especially cause it makes no sense btwn the lines.
Mike,
A cancer doesn’t mean he can’t have friends who want him on the team. Rather it can affect the team in other ways. Fucking off in meetings with Brandon Gibson, which can trickle down to younger players believing this type of behavior is tolerable…and it’s not.
I’m calling BS on the Philbin can’t handle players with big egos or different personalities argument. I think Philbin just doesn’t tolerate those who put themselves above the team.
Agreed.
Was Bush really a me first guy? Dansby? Did he jettison the Cards season last year? Was Odrick a locker room cancer when he went off on Philbin?Did Philbin even have a clue what the OL was doing last year? I think he has one way of doing things and if you aren’t on board, you are taken off the train. Is that putting team first, or your own ego? Most of these guys just want to win so I don’t buy the locker room cancer garbage.
Bush was a me first guy. He was the ring leader at the end of the 2012 season who wasn’t preparing for the Pats, but was walking around the locker room more concerned about his New Years party….that’s why he was gone. Dansby was gone because he didn’t know when to shut up…..ever. He went to Arizona for a year and they let him walk right to Cleveland the next year.
Odrick had his outburst on the sideline and we’re hearing the team is probably bringing him back.
Starks flip the sideline the bird in Cleveland in 2013 & everyone was positive he wouldn’t be back cause Joe can’t handle those types of players. Guess who was designed for 2014…..Starks.
This is why I don’t buy the Philbin can’t tolerate egos arguments.
Jahn,
Admit you want Wallace gone. That getting rid of him and wasting 9.6 in cap space is worth losing talent. I admit I want wallace because of his talent and the loss of cap space. Sure, we can save a few million but can we replace that kind of talent with 2,5 million? No, or Wallace would have never received his contract or one similar(which he would have). Wallace would be gone today if Hickey thought he was easily replaceable. This discussion would have been moot…but wallace isn’t easily replaceable. That’s our argument.
Not going to lie just because you insist on it. I want what’s best for the team, and I trust the decision makers to make that call. If it’s Wallace staying, great, I support it. If it’s him going, great I support it.
I’ve said that in no uncertain terms and never wavered from it. The cap implications of him staying or going are analytical. They have nothing whatsoever to do with what I want.
So the impassioned HE QUIT ON HIS TEAM was just hyperbole? Just a winning argument style by chance? We all want what’s best for the team, thank you. Just because we disagree doesn’t make any argument more valid. I just hate to waste monetary resources because Hickey has to placate both camps. It would waste resources to cut Wallace.
Stanger, I’m only going to say it one more time, because I’m tired of repeating myself. I think the team is better off FINANCIALLY. If he gets cut. Whether that financial gain is mitigated by his presence is for others to decide.
Then I simply agree…….to the point of $2.5 mil. Not sure why a simple factual point has become so heated.
Lou – 8-8, but you conveniently left 13-3, 11-4, and 8 playoff games. When a Philbin led team reaches anywhere near those heights, I’ll relent.
Two completely different situations. Harbaugh had a team in place to work with. Philbin walked into a Jeff Ireland clusterfuck.
The cap doesn’t know or care where the money is spent or not spent. If Wallace doesn’t play for this team, $9.6M counts against our cap this season if he’s cut. FACT!
If he does 12.1M counts against the cap. FACT!!!!!!
LOL!
well guys i’m cleared for vacation by the va. Friday we leave for 8 days without grandkids or kids or any electronic devices.
For the second time in 3 months visiting the VA in Miami they didn’t have security at the entrance. Usually you have to show your ID to enter building. Well someone left a backpack in the stairwell and the va called the police but they didn’t evacuate the building or the 6th floor. Mark my words its only a matter of time before something horrible happens at the Miami VA because of lackadaisical security.
Have a great vacation!
Awesome JS……where you going?
we made a promise to each other not to tell anyone but it’s in malaga, spain which I have visited several times in the military.
Really cool………Bueno time for you.
Funny how this blog is slowly turning into some of the same old debates simultaneously. LOL
Go shovel my sidewalk 😄
how is wallace not easily replaceable. havent you guys been paying attention to alllllllllllll the mock drafts. all we have to do is trade 2018’s 7th round pick for a early first rounder this year and take a wr. see, simple as that.
Lol!
D-Bolt
So Philbin doesn’t tolerate players who are selfish, and care about themselves more than the team, huh? How’s that working for him so far? We should be in the Superbowl already with all the great character guys we have here.
What I’ve seen is this team tank 2 years in a row with the playoffs on the line. Character my ass!
Nope but seems to work the Pats along w/…..Goodell……. BOOM
FFRob
If I’m making that trade for the 2018 draft pick then I’m trading down with it, acquiring multiple first round and 2nd round picks and getting back 3 2018 first round picks
First Pick says I can do it
“Fucking off in meetings with Brandon Gibson, which can trickle down to younger players believing this type of behavior is tolerable…and it’s not.”
Apparently it has too because Matthews has been in the dog house for similar behavior. What kind of BS was Gibson getting at by saying that? What was the reason for not only saying it but doing it? Maybe that’s why you had some costly drops, Brandon. You can go fuck off elsewhere too.
Like I said 1 Fuckwad is suspended for fucking off and 2 more can’t line up correctly to end the season…..Yeah, there’s not a problem there.
It will be interesting to see if Gibson and Matthews are even here when the season starts. My guess is we have two new guys replacing them, possibly one vet and one rookie. I’d still like to see Hickey pick up two guys in the draft. Gibson and Matthews have really had no impact on the success of the offense and can easily be replaced. Even Hartline’s numbers can be replaced. he can’t score. Expected more from him. Disappointed to say the least but he also seems like a screw off.
I’ll take Randall Cobb. He should have been a Fin to begin with but Ireland screwed the pooch on that one. Who did we take again? Oh, I know, it was Daniel Thomas; 2 picks before Cobb! Fucking Ireland.
newage, the Cards let Dansby walk after one year, he was a Brown last year. He’s been on 3 teams in 3 years.
Go shovel my sidewalk! 🙂
Silly Tim says:
February 9, 2015 at 2:04 pm
out
Funny how this blog is slowly turning into some of the same old debates simultaneously. LOL
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y don’t u tell us about your vacation and what was cool about the places u visited
I did that already the other day. It was more relaxing then anything spectacular.
y don’t u post it again so every1 can read it. I don’t get 2 come on here everyday like some people.
Wallace, Philbin, Odrick, Philbin, Odrick, Wallace…Purple Dildo!
Purple Dildo better stay is ll I’m saying. Or maybe that’s what Miko is saying…I get confused.
Fact: I started with an analytical discussion about cap implications and it’s turned into emotional spew about the coach. Fact: Cutting my losses. Find another whipping boy.
If it’s of any comfort Jahn, I understand exactly what you were getting at.
Thanks Lou. Appreciated.
That’s why I posted what I did.
“Funny how this blog is slowly turning into some of the same old debates simultaneously. LOL”
Yeah I saw that. At least it’s about the Fins though. To an extent it’s inevitable that we rehash some of those old debates.
professor lou says:
February 8, 2015 at 6:59 pm
Here we go again:
Total 1st downs: Mia: 361, NE: 361
Toatl yds: Mia: 5601, NE: 5848 (247)
Yds Rush: Mia: 1872, NE: 1727
Yds Pass: Mia: 3729, NE: 4121 (392)
Sacks (def): Mia: 39, NE: 40
Ints. Mia: 14, NE: 16
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Nice comparison on stats Lou…the thing is this team was actually very close to 11 wins.
We just got to make a few more big plays here and there on both sides of the ball, and give up a few less big plays here and there.
Good to see the FO wanting to take care of my boy Tanny now…as I’ve said many times…keep building around this kid on both sides of the ball and we should get to where we want to go, coaching be damned! 😉
yes, we were. if we get a full time starting cb opposite Grimes and a full time starting S opposite Jones we solved a big portion of the issue. Not having to bring in bodies for 1 or 2 yrs to fill in the gap would be a huge help.
‘If it’s of any comfort Jahn, I understand exactly what you were getting at.’
for the record, me too. i understood it perfectly, jahn said, blah blHB BLAB BLAB BLAH, blah blah blog alob, blab blah blaod blog blab. or basically i am right and you are wrong so nanny nanny boo boo.
ffr — you do miss David a bunch don’t you? 🙂
Unfortunately, Jahn was spot on about the cap. The worth of Wallace is subjective.
Jahn,
It’s just a waste of resources and I would hate that. I like Parker and White in the first and they probably could produce very similar stats to Wallace without the headache. At the same time, the team needs to get over the 8-8 hump. Can we fix enough issues with a loss of Wallace and 9.6 million? I guess Hickey is trying to figure it out but I still doubt he ould have met with Wallace if cutting him is the best decision going forward. I trust Hickey just like you do.
Right with you on that. My big Q is if Wallace is worth $2.5 mil next year. Hoping they work it out.
I dont think he is but I also am wanting his replacement in this draft. Let someone else deal with him after he’s a cheap cut.
2.5M extra space by cutting him.
You still need to have a vet presence at wr. Landry having just one season under his belt and a rookie wr is a difficult way to go into the season. Hartline would provide the vet leadership but I’m not so sure we’re ever going to see the numbers from him so keeping him around would just be for the leadership and lack of production. he may provide some numbers in terms of yards but his ability to score is questionable.
As far as Gibson and Matthews are concerned I really think we should just cut our loses with both and move on. So, now we’re back to square one with the receiving corp.
That’s my argument against certain cuts. This is the year to save Philbins job. You don’t want to start over in a lot of places if you are trying to get there. Losing DL, WR, OL, DB, etc isn’t easily replaceable. We have some leeway with older vets but we want the best 90. We aren’t getting most of that from the draft or FA. We just don’t have the resources to do that.
Unfortunately, with any rookie you don’t know what kind of personality you’re really getting. We don’t know if someone like White would come and in and not be an even bigger headache than what Wallace is. I agree, we do it right and we can replace Wallace’s production but there’s no guarantee we get rid of the headache. For that reason, I’d rather NOT take a top rated receiver but take two guys from rd 2 on who are going to work really hard.
I wouldn’t mind getting guys like GB does in the 2nd. That probably means they aren’t the same style of threat as Wallace though and need some time to get rolling. At some point though, you want elite guys early. Guys like Suh, Bryant, Earl Thomas, Watts, etc are foundation points for your team.
Lou, I don’t know anyone who’s ever accused Hartline of being a screw off. I can’t contest your “he can’t score” statement, but I’m pretty sure he’s a model citizen and really hard worker.
Yeah, I was wondering the same thing.
yeah, you’re right.
I don’t think 2.5M is a lot if incentive to part ways with a guy
You are saving that 2.5 to spend elsewhere
but you just spent over 9M without filling a roster spot
The $$$ don;t work for me int hat scenario
You can spend 9M of our salary cap to save 2.5 and then you still need to bring in a guy to fill the spot
I don;t understand cutting Wallace
trading him though, if we can get another drafter pick which would probably lead to drafting a WR early, then it makes more sense depsite the wasted $$$$
Truth is, given his cotnract there is no ideal scenario for Mike Wallace
I never argued the qualitative part of this discussion, “Is saving 2.5m in cap space worth cutting Mike Wallace” I merely sought to debunk the constant repetition that there are negative financial ramifications to cutting him this year. 2.5 million extra in cap space isn’t a negative financial ramifications.
I think, and always have, the qualitative is something that only the team can decide. Not the fans. It’s a very sticky wicket when you’re talking about a player who has shown once already he’ll remove himself from a game if he doesn’t like how it’s going.
In fairness to the other side of the argument, he’s also shown he can be very productive when he’s not removing himself from the field of play.
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shitboy didnt bother me. it was you bozo’s who kept responding to him and orob and their insistent troll babble that i could comprehend why you all did. 🙂
Lol!
i admit i dont pay attention to enough of the detail but am i missing the ‘quit on his team’ thing. from all i saw or heard is it was one play and at that just the tail end of the play. did wallace do something more that i missed? was he a problem before?
i’d be willing to bet if you looked at all game film that more then just wallace quit on a play during the season. so not sure if that is all he did or i am missing out on other problems he is creating
Jets game he said he wasn’t playing anymore after Tannehill threw a TD to Clay. Philbin obliged and told him to stay on the bench the . Per Armando Wallace threatened the same thing vs the Pats in game 2, if they didn’t feature him.
Has nothing to do with that particular play. But that was the tipoff that something bigger (later reported by Armando) was happening.
Maybe Hickey was discussing the idea of being traded with Wallace. You know, the best way to handle guys like that sometimes is to just let them know that you’re not above losing them and you’ll just bring in someone else who WANTS to play there more.
I doubt we would just CUT Wallace outright and at least not try and get something for him. I’d rather see that happen regardless of what kind of cap hit we took from letting him go.
The cap hit isn;t so bad if there is a high enough pick, especially considering we never gave up a pick to get him
Its not a really bad trade for another team either
We take the 2015 cap hi
in 2016 the cap hit is much smaller
It’s not a cap HIT, it’s cap Relief! Traded or cut, 2.5M of cap relief. When someone says 9.6 without mentioning that, it’s like if I had a choice between a 1M and 3.5M check and after accepting the 3.5M check they say, Jahndoh wasted a million dollars!
Maybe he was saying “Listen, your attitude can suck at times. We are paying you a shitload of money; start acting like a professional.”
Would be nice.
“I’m taking my ball and going home.”
“Fuck you. We paid for those balls.”