When I was a young tadpole I knew nothing about Earth. We didn’t really care much for this side of the Universe. Until one day when I received a strange transmission. It was a commercial for the NFL’s Greatest hits on BETA! after I was finished laughing about the format of the video I began to watch the hitting. These guys were killing each other – it was amazing. I fell in love with Earth at that moment. Where else can you drive your shoulder into another lifeform until he hits the ground to demonstrate great technique?
You can imagine how disappointed I was when I came to this planet and learned that the game had changed to a Tom Brady-Friendly game, where defensive players were penalized if they did anything else but target another players knees on a hit. So when I was assigned to research how to destroy the Earth – I was overcome with joy! If there is no more violence in football, I’m going to make some violence of my own. But you know what, lately I’m having a crisis of conscious. You know why? Because Denzel Perryman will knock your head off that’s why! Now shut your bitchy human mouth and accept your pain! This guy can hit!!!
Perryman is a 6’0, 235 lbs Linebacker out of Miami, the real Miami not the one in Ohio. Undersized? I don’t think so, he has a great stout frame and he uses it to hammer away at ball carriers. Its something else to watch a guy with that U on his helmet wearing the number 52 and thumping people. Reminds me of Ray Lewis. Perryman has a long way to live up to Lewis’ career but if he stays healthy and physical he can be a pro bowl caliber Middle Linebacker.
So is it all just thumping ball carriers? In this day and age NFL scouts want their Inside Linebackers to cover. Perryman can do that too. He is a versatile Linebacker, not a 2 down guy. He should be able to run with most backs and tight ends in the NFL.
In four years in Miami, Perryman had 2 Interceptions and 4.5 sacks. But the real impressive stats are his 7 forces fumbles and 343 tackles. That’s a middle linebacker!!!
Perryman is expected to be drafted anywhere between the late first round to the late 2nd round. It will be interesting to see if his combine numbers cause him to fall. He is not exactly a great athlete with jaw dropping combine numbers.
But it’s not Perryman’s athleticism that is going to save the Earth. Its his hitting. If Perryman was an Alien Weapon of Destruction he would be the Great Hammer of the Alien Diety Haumea.
Watch Perryman hammer some guys in this clip!
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First again! BBL this evening. Nice work Piggy! Perryman is a guy I hope is there in the 2nd for us.
Me too
I want him to fall to is in the 2nd
Pig,
Nice write. Perryman is my favorite MLB in the draft. Drops people immediately on contact. Just like every MLB this year he needs to be kept clean to flourish. The Phins get a block eaters at DT he has pro bowl ability….day 1.
His technique is about as good as it gets
It’s not just the big bits
It’s the consistency
But yes, he must be kept clean
I would not mind trading down and picking up a DT like Phillips, Brown or Goldman and then getting Perryman and a big WR in the 2nd round
I’d prefer to land Dan Williams in FA but if we can’t, I agree.
@AdamSchefter: Veterans released so far: Reggie Bush, DeAngelo Williams, Jacoby Jones, AJ Hawk, Mathias Kiwanuka. More to come, too; maybe Haloti Ngata.
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Seriously NGata?
Go get him
Yes- Ngata is best fit out if those in that list for this team.
Thanks for the scouting, Wedge.
Pig,
I saw that as of last night you were still hung up on the Wallace money….look at it like this:
Your wife, I know you’re not married so play along, spends $650 on a German Shepard guard dog to protect your dwelling. Each day you come home from work to find piles of dog shit throughout your house on your expensive shag carpet. You tolerate him & the stains that will never come out of your shag carpet because he should ultimately protect you and your family. Then one day you come home to see your house has been ransacked and gutted. You go to your bedroom only to find the perp banging your wife with your German Shepard sleeping at the foot of the bed. You go to stop the perp only to have your German Shepard bite you in the nuts stopping you from intervening. After all is said and done do you just cut your losses or do you entrust your safety to the canine.
I forgot to mention that while your immobilized the Perp and your Shepard eat a game sandwich together also.😄
I don’t understand your analogy DBolt
Can you make Wallace a Pomeranian?
Sure….a turd recycler like a Pomeranian makes more sense😂😂😂
http://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/707998
DBolt
So let’s say we have to shoot the dog
Bc we know he is no good
And we need special bullets
And the bullets cost us so much money that we won’t pay able to pay our mortgage for a fee months
Do you shoot the dog?
If you need a special bullet that you can’t afford Id suggest you set the dog free in an unpopulated densely wooded area. I’d start saving your money for your testical transplant.
I don’t care of Wallace doesn’t see the field next year
I would just rather keep him in the roster as a safety bet of nothing more unless we get a decent return for him
Either a day 2 pick or 5m+ cap relief will do the trick
Safety net
Be careful as the organization might view this safety net as one with a massive hole in the bottom that doesn’t work. Unfortunately we can only speculate on behind doors issues and how bad things were or weren’t.
I was ok with that line of thinking after the initial report of the Hickey dinner. The fact that it’s out in the media & not by JLC and the Dolphins aren’t refuting it like last year speaks volumes. It seems to point to both parties admitting this relationship won’t work. This relationship was done in 2016 anyways…..both parties are just trying to find different suitors a year early.
The other positive is they must of drummed up some serious interest at the combine & that might lead to a higher draft pick than what was originally speculated
NICELY DONE, Mr. Piggy!! – – Noticed that Perryman’s #1 hit took place AFTER the runner had already gained about 10 yards and a first down. – – THAT will fit in perfectly with the Dolphins current defensive strategies! — Which gets me back to ANOTHER ISSUE. – – No matter how many solid players the Dolphins sign, those players WILL STILL BE STUCK WITH A COACHING STAFF THAT PRODUCES 7-9 OR 8-8 SEASONS!!! – – Some on this blog are OK with mediocrity. “Give the coaches more time, better players, and everything will be OK,” says the apologists. –Well we tried that with George Wilson AND IT DIDN’T WORK!! —We gave Sparano extra years and it got us an 0-7 start and an eventual firing 2 years too late in my view. –The Ireland apologists GOT their extra couple of years and WE GOT TWO MORE YEARS OF MOSTLY BAD PERSONNEL DECISIONS!! – – This “wait and see” approach sounds fine in principle. But in THE REAL WORLD OF DOLPHINS FOOTBALL, “WAIT AND SEE” has simply meant more shitty seasons!! –Even the greatest head coach in NFL history, Don Shula, fell prey to “another season” when he clearly stood by Tom Olivadotti way too long during some of Marino’s greatest seasons.
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My belief is that Great Coaches bring instant improvement. Vince Lombardi instantly turned around a moribund Green Bay franchise. Chuck Noll ended Pittsburgh’s 39 years of no playoffs and took Pittsburgh to 4 Super Bowl victories. Al Davis resuscitated a dead Raider franchise and turned them into an NFL powerhouse. Bud Grant did the same at Minnesota. NOW, however, if you are to believe Philbin’s defenders, 4 years are NOT enough. Is that REALLY SO??
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In Don Shula’s FIRST YEAR, Miami improved from 3 wins in ’69 to 10-4 in 1970 and a narrow playoff loss to Oakland. Shula’s 2nd, 3rd and 4th seasons all brought trips to the Super Bowl. –NO, I’m NOT holding Philbin up to the standards of Don Shula. But, apparently, asking for ONE winning season in 4 years is asking for too much according to some in this crowd.–Last year at this time EVERYONE, including Steve Ross, was in the “improve or you’re fired” camp. –Well, NO IMPROVEMENT got Philbin another year, so we know what Ross’s football word is worth, don’t we??
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As much as I HATE to admit it, all this talk about new players likely is a waste of time, based on Dolphins history. We are in for another season that fails to deliver a SINGLE PLAYOFF VICTORY —-our 15th consecutive season without a playoff win. While some say, “If you fire the staff, we’re in for 3-4 rebuilding seasons that will be even worse than what we’ve got now.” –To that, I say BULLSHIT!! –It’s all about GETTING THE RIGHT GUY!! –IF we’ve hired “The Right Guy,” you’ll see measureable improvement in ONE YEAR and MORE IMPROVEMENT THE SECOND YEAR —something that’s been sadly lacking during the Philbin years. I’m a “SHOW ME” kind of guy. -And all Philbin and Ross have shown me so far is mediocrity. Too bad some are just fine with that.
D-Bolt
That was easily the worst analogy I’ve ever seen. Wallace helped us win, simple as that.
15 games > 1 game
If they can’t fix the Wallace situation, I blame the organization as much as I blame Wallace.
agreed. btw who would trade anythihg for wallace. This is why philbin is not a good leader.
Right, it’s Philbin’s fault that Wallace is a Diva asshole.
That’s your opinion which is fine, but I find it spot on.
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As I said both parties have decided it won’t work.
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Once again I don’t hold the organization responsible for an individual’s personal actions. I hold them accountable for investing in a headcase when they knew his tendencies from Pittsburgh. Just like I don’t hold the Cowboys responsible for Dez Bryant physically abusing his mother, but I hold them accountable for drafting him and resigning him if they no of continuing actions
And stop with the 1 game thing. It’s been reported it has been an on-going issue.
I know we have beaten this dead horse, but all we clear is $2.5M of cap space, while giving us $9.6M of dead cap space if we cut Wallace. I’d love to know what led up to Wallace “quitting” the last game. Something must have been festering, and personally, I think we probably handled this poorly like everything else we do poorly.
I agree that something was festering. I think the thing that may have been handled poorly is they didn’t sit Wallace earlier when issues arose. The only thing I can think of is they were more concerned about trying to make the playoffs
D-Bolt
He never quit in Pittsburgh, and he never quit in MIA until the last game. He was the best WR in FA, and we overpaid to get him. We should have worked hard to fix this before it got that point. This never happened in Pittsburgh, ONLY in MIA. A lot of WR’s bitch, it’s how you handle it that matters most. Fact is he was a very productive player for us last year no matter what your opinion is of him. It’s on Philbin, and Lazor if Wallace gets cut for nothing.
And the fact is in 2 different stops he has been a proven malcontent. You say he QUIT only 1 time….fact is he quit.
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Now onto something we agree on, we should’ve never been in that situation. Let’s make sure moving forward were not in it anymore.
D-Bolt
It is ONE GAME. I don’t give a rats ass what complaints he made, he played hard in every other game. Actions speak louder than words.
Then your completely off on his effort in the other 15 games. There were plenty of non effort plays left on the field by him. I’ll give him credit for trying to be a little more physical.
Let’s move on from Wallace. It’s totally out of our hands anyway.
Agreed. Let’s find a young guy to pair with Landry!
From the draft
PiggyWedgeGreat job on the Perryman article. I wouldn’t mind Perryman here, we’ll see if it works out.
Damn it, we broke the Perryman article
Perryman in the 2nd would be solid.
Mike E, I don’t think the situation with Wallace is all about quitting in the Jets game. I think that was the last straw.
Hi Tim,
Pig has a German Shepherd he’d like to sell you😋. Just fucking around!
Back to Perryman, the other thing I like about him is hes a high effort player who is self accountable.
Tim
Either way, it was handled poorly, by both sides.
It’s done. They are parting and in the end its best for everyone n involved.
I’m not sure you can say that. What did the coaching staff do poorly, play Wallace enough so he could get 10 TDs? Why is everyone trying to give Wallace an out? What was the deal with Gibson saying they don’t even pay attention in meetings? That’s a lack of professional behavior. These aren’t 6th graders we’re talking about here.
The thing I do like is from most reports the team hasn’t given up on Matthews.
I haven’t seen anything recently about Matthews, where did you hear this?
Barry Jackson article said Miami plans on keeping him this year especially at his salary.
Brian Hartline, whose current cap number for 2015 is $7.3 million, hasn’t been told what the Dolphins intend to do with him. Same with Brandon Gibson ($4.3 million). The Dolphins want to keep Rishard Matthews ($673,403 cap number).
Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2015/02/dolphins-making-lb-a-priority-inform-several-free-agents-theyre-wanted-back-lots-of-fins-heat-canes-.html#storylink=cpy
@flasportsbuzz: With report Wallace is being shopped, Dolphins again non-committal on his future today. Tannenbaum told WINZ he’s under contract “for now.”
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This statement reads like “I just finished up at an all you can eat Indian food buffet and my anus feels fine for now.”
LMAO!!!!
Tim
It’s far from everyone who is saying that the coaches are responsible. It’s actually the minority. All I can say is, it didn’t happen in Pittsburgh. Whatever whining and complaining he did, it never got to this point. Frankly, I think Philbin doesn’t relate and work with the players well, especially the difficult ones. There are a lot of headache players in the NFL, either you deal with them or you don’t, but when you sign a guy for a $60M contract, and he gets you 10 TD’s, you make sure you work things out.
Dbolt will tell you a different story when Wallace was in PIT. The difference there was Wallace was on a 4th round contract and once it was up they said see ya.
Honestly doesn’t matter now. He’s won’t be part of the team. The key is finding the right fits.
Tim – See ya is far from the truth. They certainly weren’t going to throw $60M his way, especially because they had Antonio Brown and Emmanuel Sanders too. Pittsburgh rarely pays guys anyway, they let everyone walk, including the aforementioned Emmanuel Sanders. It wasn’t like D-Bolt or you are portraying how it went down, but that’s fine. He was the biggest FA in that pool, and don’t forget, we’re the team that offered him that boatload of $$$
All I can say is I want my team on the same page with the same goals with players who take pride in doing their job.
I actually find this Wallace situation annoying and just want it to be decided one way or the other.
That’s OK, because I find it annoying that Philbin is still our HC. lol
Here – Read some facts, instead of bullshit hearsay
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000136168/article/mike-wallaces-future-with-steelers-looks-bleak
He pissed them off too. LOL
He pissed them off, but they offered him a $50M contract the year before. You guys made it seem like they didn’t want him. Just putting the facts out there that clearly show that wasn’t the case.
Mike,
Portraying what??? Steelers pulled there fucking offer when the dickball wanted more money than Fitz. My wife’s father in laws family have had suite tickets with the Steelers for decades and talk to the Rooney’s frequently before most home games. Shit changed once Ward left.
They offered him a $50M contract, which is far from a team that “couldn’t wait to get rid of him”.
They were done with him in 2012. Nobody said they didn’t offer him a contract, but he was looking for like $125 million and he scoffed at it. So they in turn have Brown the contract. They were done with him after his refusal and antics that followed.
All I know is it will suck if we cut Wallace, lose his production, and have $9.6M in dead cap space. Whatever happens, I’ll root for this team, but it will be disappointing to see that happen.
I’m more disappointed in Wallace than losing his production or taking a cap hit.
Any cap space used by someone not playing for your team. My outlook is to find a WR who fits this offense like a glove in this draft. I’ve always said draft 2WRs this year no matter what and bring quite a few UDFA’s in also.
D-Bolt
My best friend Scott is a Steelers fan. He wasn’t happy when they lost Wallace. He knows he’s a PITA, but he’s a good player, and that’s all most of us care about. He doesn’t beat women, or his kids, he’s just unhappy about the offense, which I really can’t blame him for. We didn’t use him in a way that played to his strengths. I could understand the frustration, although I don’t ever think it’s right for a player to bitch and moan, or more importantly, quit, but I think it’s a two-way street on the way they handled him. A lot of WR’s bitch in the NFL, it’s been that way for a long time, thus the “Diva WR” name.
Nope not disagreeing about talent. I can also understand being frustrated. My problems exist with lack of accountability, fucking off in meetings with Gibson, letting a teammate get abused by a gang of jets, then ultimately quitting. I don’t want that in a locker-room.
I’m quick to say I want Wallace gone, but don’t lose sight of the fact that I think Gibson can go fuck himself also for his shenanigans also.
“…letting a teammate get abused by a gang of jets…”
This was the most egregious thing he did IMO. I still want to punch him in the face for leaving his teammate out to dry like that.
Agreed on Gibson can go fuck himself too. He won’t be difficult to replace anyway.
I don’t want anyone reading anything into this but am I the only one who thinks dbolt’s avi says squirt when you first look at it? 😳
Now I do. LOL
LOL
Cue FFR’s appearance
That’s like an alarm that goes off in his head. He could be with a client and he’ll say excuse me, I’ve been summoned.
Mike E, did you buy a Wallace jersey? LOL
We get rid of lockeroom cancers every year
It hasn’t made us better
It’s not a good philosophy to have such little respect for talent
It’s also not good to foster what appears to be an irreparable situation
You think wanting only choir boys is a good philosophy? It isn’t where football is concerned. I want guys on my team who want the ball who want to win and who are vocal about it!!
If he hates the team and vice versa…Nope. No one said anything about choir boys are a must.
We aren’t fostering it
We are dealing with it
I don’t care if they get in Wallace’s face and bench him all season
But going through these motions of locker rooms cancers every year is just stupid
Wallace is not why we were 8-8
I think we can do better than Wallace
I encourage bringing in an early draft pick
But just waiving guys after the season is lost and making them some kind of scapegoat is silly
It doesn’t say Squirt?
Great piece Piggy!! Perryman is THE man and the best LB in this draft IMO. He reminds me of Ray Lewis minus any murdered people around him. He is a certifiable badass stud.
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As for Mike Waalace he is our best WR and they are known to be diva-like. If we let him go just chalk in 7-9 or 8-8….again. Philbin is a joke as is our owner.
We were 8-8 with him, so how does he make anything better?
You honestly think our offense would be better without him?
I dont think our offense would be worse without him, we can draft a guy that replaces him.
Gigi and Piggy, quitting on your team has nothing to do with choir boys. It’s not about pouting or complaining, Wallace quit on his team and doesn’t pay attention in meetings. Do you want guys on your team like that?
Maybe he had reason to be pissed do we know 100% he “quit”?? I saw a lot of guys quit we have a losing mentality on this team that starts at the top.
I looked into it, and the post june 1 cuts doesn’t actually save us cap it just pushes part of the cap hit to next year (2016) instead of this one. If we are going to cut Wallace we would be better doing it before June 1, considering needing more cap space next year for our Tanny extension plans. We should really push to trade him with someone even if what we get in return is a 3rd rounder, otherwise cut him soon.
I’ve explained this stuff so well. I clearly suck at explaining. Trade/Cut is exactly the same outcome on the cap.
It’s as simple as this, we’re on the hook to spend a shit ton of money on a head case player for 3 years, but thanks to the graces of the CBA we can be off the hook for all of that money AND gain 28M of capspace over the next 3 years by cutting him. But no, because of a mere accounting phenomenon known as dead cap, people are tripping over quarters to pick up dimes.
LOL…
Philbin is not a winning coach nor is he a “players” coach. Also Lazor was a dud IMO as the offense struggled and we went entire games without even attempting to throw deep which is inexcusable to me. Losing Wallace would be terrible. Is he overpaid? Yes but so is Bucky Beaver #82 Hartline who did jack shit last yr worst $6 million dollar player we need to dump his sorry ass.
Also you guys fail to mention the fact that those we have “gotten rid of” werent that great. Dansby Burnett, both were decent players but i wouldnt, and yes Ellerbe and Wheeler didnt work out, but its not like these guys are superstar talent. Despite what Wallace WAS, he ISNT doing it for us, andhasnt, so what talent is really there. If a guy is a superstar for your team and the problems can be worked out, i agree you put some effort into it, but i cant find one example where this was the case with the people you are saying we have “gotten rid of”.
wouldt call them great i meant to say
If any of you think our offense would be better without Wallace who led the team with 10 TDs…..lololol yeah ok SMH.
Squeaky wheel…. Landry will catch more this year…
Put it this way, I’ll take Phillp Dorsett over him 10 out of 10x’s👍
That’s a big risk
But I wouldn’t mind Dorset
But you can draft Dorset and let him inset Wallace in TC or during the season
You don’t cut people to et better
You get better people
And those better people perform better
Yeah, I remember Omar saying this when JT and Porter left with their 20 sacks. We had MORE sacks the following year. Shake away.
You dis Hartline but he was a back to back 1k yard receiver, something Wallace has yet to do. Rookies caught more TD than Wallace last year and had 4-500 more yards to do it, multiple rookies exceed his yardage.
“…letting a teammate get abused by a gang of jets…”
I didn’t want to bring this up, but I think Wallace was secretly tight with Riff.
I thought he was just all in on male on male gang bangs 😂
Here we go. Wallace’s actions are Ross’ and Philbin’s fault. It always seems to come back to that. Other players on the team are professional yet the moment something goes wrong with one of them, don’t look at personal responsibility, blame the owner and the HC.
Of course they are. LMAO…you clearly haven’t been paying attention. If you have a big personality Philbin’s ascared. Ask Tannehill, Hartline, Wake, Odrick, Pouncey, Grimes, and Albert.
Well, Pittsburgh offered “the cancer” a 5 YR $50M contract the year before he was a FA, so they wanted him and his diva ways there. So did we, until we realized Philbin can’t handle him.
And he declined because he thought he deserved $125,000,000 and they quickly gave it to Brown.
You think Tomlin would have kept the guy after quitting on the team? I don’t. I think there’s zero percent chance in fact.
So the guy quits on his team in the last game of the year and acts like a malcontent all season during a career year statistically speaking. What’s he going to do when he doesn’t have a career year? Yeah, lets spend 37M on the guy rather then getting 28M in cap relief over the next 3 years. Makes perfect sense.
Glad you finally see it my way! 😉
37-(-28m)=???? That’s how much more money you’re spending then I would. 😉
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Landry can catch 50 more passes, and if he keeps averaging 9 YPC, he still wouldn’t match Wallace’s best year, so there’s that.
Which year are you selecting as his “best year” for this comparison? Seems strategic. Doesn’t matter. He’s not a team guy. This is the ultimate team sport. I would never ever keep a guy just because fans fear missing out on ESPN time, which is all Wallace has to offer these days, and not much of it.
Jahn – C’mon, other than RB’s, how many guys catch 84 passes and don’t break 1000 yards? I love Landry, but he can’t do what Wallace does.
I don’t really think it’s a valid comparison anyway to compare a slot reciever to speed guy, but if I could trade a Landry twin for Wallace right now, I’d do it in a heartbeat.
Gigi
I don’t think keeping or waiving Mike Wallace affects whether we are 8-8 or not
But I don’t think it makes us better
And that is what we need all of our efforts to be
At getting better
It feels like just finger pointing to me
Hey Wallace fell asleep in a meeting, that’s why we are 8-8
I’m sure our lockeroom will be harmonious without Wallace…
Why do people beleive that?
Get better Dolphins
Stop taking steps back
I agree 100% we can’t afford to stay status quo or get worse
I believe it most definitely makes us better. Which great coach in history keeps a guy who quits on his team? Great coaches recognize when a guy is half assing catches, quiting on his team and encouraging others to fuck off in meetings, he’s a PROBLEM, not a solution.
JMHO.
I see the WC is up and at em. Good morning!
Good morning!
Cheers Dbolt.
Stephen Ross and Joe Philbin are responsible for global warming, the endangerment of the spotted owl, teen texting while driving, McDonald’s fries going to shit, terrorism of any kind, Jonathan Martin’s vagina, Pete Carroll not running Marshawn Lynch on the goal line in the SB, silly looking warts… I could go on and on.
He’s the Head Coach – He’s responsible for dealing with the players in his locker room. YES, he is. The other stuff, except for the spotted owl is not his fault.
He’s responsible for Wallace quitting on the field? What did you want him to do, shoot him? LOL
“Wallace, You’re fired.”
Dealt with. 🙂
Card carrying members of the Liberal cabal that will usher in the end times.
Tim
It’s not crazy to blame coaching for the results
I think you hold players accountable
But what did Philbin or any coach do about Wallace when/if he feel asleep in a meeting
Why are we hearing from Gibson after the season ended that this went on
What was done to discipline him when it went on?
If Wallace was a persistent problem (which I believe) during the season and last season why disciine in the 2nd half of the final game
Who go in his face when he fell asleep in the meeting
It’s too late to affect 2014 in the final game
Recognizing a cancer in the locker room (if that is what he is) after the season is over and partingm ways without getting any value in return is not how a succesful team operates
You must get better all the time
And if you see a problem you have to address it at the time
I don’t want to spend too much time in coaching
I would rather talk about compensation for Wallace in a bad situation
But talking about this now, after 2 years, is a failure to reconfiE or take steps to fix a problem earlier
We could have easily played Wallace less in favor of Hartline mid season right?
We didn’t
Now all of the sudden he is a cancer when it suits us
Either we failed to address it
It we are exaggerating it now
I tend to think it’s being exagerrated
And the real issue is $$$
We just flat out pay him too much
It’s a horrible contract and was from the get go
That’s not what people are doing though right now, they’re blaming the coaches for Wallace quitting on the team. Which is absurd.
D-Bolt
He declined, and wisely so, because he knew he would get more in FA, which he did. Can’t argue about that, it happened.
Then he followed it up with his childish antics. Do you want to hit rewind and play again😂
Ireland was desperate to make a splash, he needed a big name receiver to make it look like we were doing our best to take things to the next level, as with a lot of his decisions, it was a bad one period. When the home team is saying here, take what ill give ya, or hit the road, or better yet, even lets him land in the position where there will be a bidding war, they dont give a shit if he stays. Im sorry nothing about him being on our team says Pitt wanted to keep him.
Ireland made a foolish contract offer
Blame the Ginger Bastard former GM the alleged cap guru Aponte and ultimately Ross on Wallace and the cap issues this yr.
Aponte has nothing to do with the amount of the contract, she just has to make it work under the cap.
Well we overpaid badly for our WRs who were highest paid in the league…who gets blamed for that….nobody??
Im not saying Landry puts up big yardage numbers, but he is better for redzone than Wallace so his TD totals i expect to be higher than Wallaces.
If our offense allowed Wallace to get the ball deep more often, he could have had 15 TD’s last season.
So at the end of the year when this team collapses and gets criticized for quitting, nobody likes it. But when Wallace clearly quits, we have fans massaging his balls. Interesting!
It’s also interesting that without Wallace in the 2nd half we were outscored by the JETS 23-7.
So change the offense for one guy….yeah thats a good idea
We also scored 16, 13 and 13 with him down the stretch.
Lol. Ironic. Only the scapegoats get blame. The actual bad guys are ok so long as they’re a headache for the scapegoats.
It’s just differing opinions across The board
Don’t group those two different subjects together
No one likes to collapse
Some have a different point of view on Wallace
Aren’t you at least a little tired about hearing about lockeroom cancers every year ?
Every year Tim.
Getting rid of guys for the sake of changing things isn’t making us better
Culture change comes from weeding out guys who don’t fit the culture. Every great coach in history has engaged in it. It’s usually one of their strong suits.
Funny the team collapsed at the end of the year two years in a row when we had to win to make the playoffs…..blame goes from top down.
Mike, how can he control a guy who pisses and moans when he doesnt get his way…change his offense to only throw to Wallace? I woulda already benched him and prepped for next year without him by time he started that shit, but thats me, Philbin at least tried to integrate him more to make him more accessible and get him what he wanted, i mean he got the most targets by a lot on the team, what more did he need. If he didnt want to work with him, he coulda have on first complaint sat his ass and asked him how many catches he gets from the bench.
Jahn
Yes, very clearly, I blame Philbin for the way he handled Mike Wallace. This didn’t happen in Pittsburgh with Mike Tomlin.
Tomlin demoted him. You even posted the article where it says that. LOL
Yeah, co-starter, but whatever it was that he did, it worked, right? Wallace didn’t quit there. We’re just going to go in circles on this. You know where I stand, And I you.
I blame the asshole who quit. I feel my blame is more appropriately placed since, well, I believe the man who committed the actions is responsible for those actions.
Yes it did Mike, if you go back and read some of the fan blogs from Pittsburgh you will find that what happened here isnt a suprise to them. Wallace was known there for being a malcontent. I remember when we were looking for a WR and Jennings or Wallace was the debate, i researched it thuroughly and decided i wanted Jennings because Wallace had character concerns, being a malcontent. I brought it up and people that wanted Wallace kept telling me oh he just needs a change of scenery.
“Recognizing a cancer in the locker room (if that is what he is) after the season is over and partingm ways without getting any value in return is not how a succesful team operates”
Please. That’s exactly what a succesful team does. Look Piggy, nobody here would complain if we got compensation, but keeping a “cancer” because you don’t is absurd and defies all forms of logic. The label refers to diseased cells that spread in time if you don’t cut them out.
No Jahn
A succesful team recognizes it before it affects the season and they act on it before the season is lost
If all these things about Wallace are true. Why wait until now to act?
That’s has to enter the discussion at some point
Every great coach in history has fired guys who don’t put the team first. Yes.
and to answer the question you want entered into the discussion, you wait til now because it came to head in week 17 last year, and it makes financial sense.
Gigi, blame the GM Ireland for the bad contracts, he’s the one who decided to target those types of players and contracts.
Mike, you were one of the guys, i think, behind trading Marshall….Wallace is Marshall minus the mental disorder.
jahndoh says:
February 26, 2015 at 11:50 am (Edit)
That’s not what people are doing though right now, they’re blaming the coaches for Wallace quitting on the team. Which is absurd.
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I agree that’s absurd
But I can only speak for myself
The other absurd thing is to say Wallace has been a lockeroom cancer
But it was only addressed in the final game of a list season by the coaches – or even after he took himself out in the offseason and then be okay with that
This to me is about $$$
And the fact that Wallace was never really that good to begin with
And out GM made a horrible contract
D
I’m not a psychologist or a Head Coach, but this didn’t happen in Pittsburgh with Mike Tomlin. They worked together. What can I tell ya, that’s the way it is.
Just going off of what Tim said, but didn’t you tell us via posting an article that he did have problems in Pittsburgh? At any rate, it seems widely known. I’ve read Steeler fan blogs in the last month that have fans saying “we told you so Dolphins”, so clearly his problems pre-date Joe Philbin.
Wallace was always Wallace, but Tomlin was able to handle him. He’s always been a diva PITA, but he didn’t quit on Tomlin
To Piggy’s point, I completely agree. This should have been hadled behind closed doors, maybe they could have said Wallace tweaked his hammy or something. Instead, they let this blow up to the point where we can’t even get value if we tried to trade him.
So it’s pretty clear here, some here don’t mind players who quit and some don’t like it at all. All the other stuff is just going in circles. It’s pretty cut and dry.
Tim
You are selling the counterargument short
If Wallace was quitting all season
Then we could have acted all season on it
And did not
At the end of the season, pointing out a goat (again) is not winning football to me
I want to see confrontation in the season
Adversity sometimes makes teams stronger
But no like this
At the end of the season “Wallace is bad for the lockeroom ”
Address it during the season or before the season of true
Not paying attention in meetings is quitting all season.
reply to your comment from above…..
D says:
February 26, 2015 at 11:57 am
Yes it did Mike, if you go back and read some of the fan blogs from Pittsburgh you will find that what happened here isnt a suprise to them. Wallace was known there for being a malcontent. I remember when we were looking for a WR and Jennings or Wallace was the debate, i researched it thuroughly and decided i wanted Jennings because Wallace had character concerns, being a malcontent. I brought it up and people that wanted Wallace kept telling me oh he just needs a change of scenery.
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IMO, there are some things you guys are saying correct. First, it was a bad contract, i know it, you know it, hell even owner of Ravens knows it lol, but still it is what it is we cant undo that part, we can undo the part where we pay him 28mil more dollars to play for us, we can cut into some of that bad contract by setting it right NOW. Lots of guys are bing cut right now because they arent justifying their pay, Wallace is one of those guys.
12.1+13.7+13.7= added emphasis for your point.
Yeah ok that Wallace was a malcontent in Pittsburgh….he left to get $$$!
http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=9321253&src=desktop
http://stillcurtain.com/2013/06/01/wallace-burns-down-clemente-bridge-on-way-out-of-pittsburgh-insults-city-former-teammates/
http://sportingmaniac.com/pittsburgh-steelers-losers-in-free-agency-can-they-win-in-the-2013-nfl-draft/
Wow just took time to read that article…Wallace said Wallace wasnt a malcontent…and he got an endorsement by Plaxico Burress lol.
Shit that’s funny
Gotta run have a great day!
I never said Wallace was a locker room cancer, or a big ego Philbin can’t handle etc. I said he quit on the team because he did.
Philbin tolerated him more than some would have. It wasnt like the last game was the only report of him openly criticizing his coaches and Tanny for not getting him the ball more. He did it several times during the season.
Like I said before, the Jets game was the final straw.
Mike E, how do you know they didn’t try to handle it behind closed doors? If that happened you wouldn’t know because it was handled behind closed doors. So that’s just speculation in the attempt to continue massaging Wallace’s balls. LOL
OK, keep massging Philbin’s balls. The excuse this year will be we had to draft a rookie WR, so it’s not fair to judge him this year.
This has nothing to do with Philbin. This is about Mike Wallace. But people who don’t like Philbin blame him for everything which is weak. These are grown men and professionals, not HS kids. Come on man! I know your view of society isn’t to excuse individual behavior and blame everyone but the person responsible, but that’s what you’re doing here.
If the relationship isn’t working you don’t force it.
Also the team lost 4 of the last 6 games including last game of the year to the lowly Jets and gave up 39, 28, 41 and 37 points the last 4 games…it’s all Wallace’s fault lol.
Who blamed Wallace for those results or the team’s record?
Non sequitur. Complete changing of topics. I’ve been very outspoken about the defensive collapse this year. To the point where I even admitted that I’d have been ok with a DC change. But that’s a different topic, so I can have a different take on it. Works out well that way.
The more things change the more they stay the same. On one single page I’ve seen the two most commonly used fallacies on this and all predecessor blogs: Supporting the coach means you like mediocrity, and anything that doesn’t condemn a given scapegoat is an “excuse”.
Second verse same as the first.
Yep! It’s amazing to me where people look for blame.
Fuck it . Get me Dorsett as my speed WR and partner him up with any of the following: Parker, Strong, Agholor, Perriman, Hardy, Smelter….and I’ll be happy.
Also keep in mind that Branden Albert says he wants Mike Wallace back
That’s good for him. They should have some nice vacations together in the future😋 I have no issue with players who like Mike just like I don’t have any issues with players who hate him.
I don’t have any problem with players that hate him, that’s between them.
Exactly so that’s something else to keep in mind. Either way start planning your mocks with needing multiple WRs😎
Man I’m glad we come up with this new fresh subject matter to discuss.
I’d hate to talk the same old shit everyday!
😉
Where the hells today’s mock?
Patience Padawon Patience!
😉
Jahn
So it’s the defensive coordinators fault, not the Head Coach. What about the offense? OK, talk about being selective.
In other words, it’s always ssomeone elses fault, not Philbin’s. Too funny.
I blame the lack of depth in talent which was clearly the main reason. Looking to blame a specific person all the time doesn’t solve the problem.
LMAO! I was just going to say you forgot the injuries, and there’s Tim right on time! I can’t wait to see what this years excuse is! It’s so exciting!
Mike E. says:
February 26, 2015 at 12:29 pm
Also keep in mind that Branden Albert says he wants Mike Wallace back
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Musta missed something, does Albert say you stays or goes now…? I think hispaycheck changes his tune as soon as Wallace swings the door on the way out. Not worried about that but i mean, stay healthy for a year and maybe he can influence some people.
C’mon now. I never said Albert has the power to anything of the sort, just that he said he wants Mike back. That means it’s not ALL the players, there might just be a couple.
Mike E, the timeline with the defensive collapse is right in line with multiple players going down and put on IR. So what you’re saying is we didn’t lose any players, we didn’t sign corners off the street and start them? None of that happened?
We went from a top 5 defense the first 10 games to shit because Coyle forgot what he was doing and Philbin told the players don’t worry about making the playoffs, just have fun.
To me it’s not an excuse, it’s a reason. We’re not that good. A lot of people overrated this team’s roster, specifically the depth and it showed for all to see. But it’s okay if you want to look elsewhere, this way you can focus on blaming one specific person or maybe two, it’s easier that way.
What about the offense? We got completely outscored in the 2nd half of the Ravens game
Do you think we’re loaded on offense, specifically the OL?
Our scoring going up also has to be looked at a little closer. We blew out a bunch of bad teams and struggled quite a bit against good defenses, especially up front. Until the OL gets fixed it will happen again.
Mike E. says:
February 26, 2015 at 12:36 pm
LMAO! I was just going to say you forgot the injuries, and there’s Tim right on time! I can’t wait to see what this years excuse is! It’s so exciting!
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Mike i dont think anyone here sets up for excuses. I think sometimes there are things that happen that affect a teams outcome, and sometimes its just strength of schedule thats noones fault. Still though like anything i expect progress this yea. Progress was made last year offensively, and early on defensively, next year i expect to see more consistency in how we start and end a game and how we finish the season, i will make no excuses if those two things do not improve. Consequently, improving in those areas will likely also get us past the hump and in the playoffs.
“sometimes there are things that happen that affect a teams outcome”
Like what?
Like you were saying with the injuries, but also just bad matchups, strength vs weakness, poor performaces by players, things completely outside a coaches control.
You know what – Maybe when Mike says to Joe “That’s it, I’m not playing anymore!”, Joe should have said “You get your fucking ass on that field and you play hard for your teammates, or this is the last game you ever see in a Miami Dolphins uniform!” What about that?
Maybe thats what was said….. and then Wallace said no thanks im going to grab some pine.
Seriously though, is he going to grab him by the scruff of the neck and take him out there?
Just for Dbolt
14: R1P14 WR DEVANTE PARKER LOUISVILLE
47: R2P15 ILB PAUL DAWSON TCU
78: R3P14 S GEROD HOLLIMAN LOUISVILLE
111: R4P15 DT GRADY JARRETT CLEMSON
142: R5P14 G ALI MARPET HOBART
175: R6P15 CB ERIC ROWE UTAH
207: R7P15 RB KARLOS WILLIAMS FLORIDA ST
Thanks
I think I found the answers to our WR position:
VIEW EACH TEAM’S DRAFT
14: R1P14
WR AMARI COOPER
ALABAMA
47: R2P15
WR JUSTIN HARDY
EAST CAROLINA
78: R3P14
WR NELSON AGHOLOR
USC
111: R4P15
WR DEANDRE SMELTER
GEORGIA TECH
142: R5P14
WR PHILLIP DORSETT
MIAMI (FL)
175: R6P15
WR KASEN WILLIAMS
WASHINGTON
207: R7P15
WR CHRIS CONLEY
GEORGIA
Jags to cut Will Blackmon — M13 is very excited right now.
NM he likes the other Blackmon…
Pair him up with Colt Brennan and watch out!
I was thinking Justin.
Mike E. says:
February 26, 2015 at 12:41 pm
C’mon now. I never said Albert has the power to anything of the sort, just that he said he wants Mike back. That means it’s not ALL the players, there might just be a couple.
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Ok i think i missed the point you were making. I thought you were saying we need to keep him because Albert wants him to stay lol.
Colt Breenan with backup Case Keenum, WR 1 Justin Blackmon and WR 2 Cordarrell Patterson…..oh shit its an offense int he making.
Oh i forgot, Dri Archer for slot.
LMAO @ D-Bolt! Nice draft! Is there a draft a new HC option? 😉
That draft would probably draft a new HC by default.
And GM.
I’m the GM in that game so I decide I’ll be the head coach also.
D, I was asking a sarcastic question at 12:44. 😉
LOL i was wondering….probably woulda picked thatup with body language in play but no smiley….so its your fault… 🙂
Wyo
Why just for D-Bolt, I like every player you took in that draft
He was missing my mocks!
So I did one for him!
If it was for Tim I would have added a Varga! 😉
Damn, i think i remember enough of M13’s man crush players i might be able to go create a franchise in Madden and draft enough of those guys to make a full team. Hmmm
And just so you know Mike E….. i have a franchise going right now and im 13-1 in my season with JOE PHILBIN as the coach…so yeah proof he’s a winner and its the team holding him back!
LMAO
LOL @ Wyo
Did Varga participate at the combine?
Yes but only did bench,
His hands are ginormous.
Was he ascared to run or something?
10 5/8ths…….
He was probably scared he’d trip over his fingers.
Sorry Tim I wasn’t talking about TYLER VARGA!
I was speaking Spanish!
🙂
D
You know why your Madden team is succesful? Because you’re calling all the plays, and making the substitutions, not Joe! 🙂
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/tyler-varga?id=2552578
Wyo- I gotcha! I would be pretty happy with that draft. Only bad thing is Dawson would be late for meetings all the time because he’s so slow. lol
LOL
He needs no meetings he has already watched the tape!
Hey D – Does Wallace bitch and whine in Madden too?
Now that is funny!
No, but he runs off the field after the snap.
Silly Tim says:
February 26, 2015 at 12:04 pm (Edit)
Not paying attention in meetings is quitting all season.
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Of course it is
It’s a shitty attitude
If it’s true
If is is true, why wait until the season is lost to discipline him?
Doesn’t the reveal another problem to me
We can’t keep doing this year after year
Find another goat and everything I’ll be better
It won’t
Sometimes you have to deal with shortcomings
And some times the best course is simply to get better
It doesn’t matter what happens with Wallace
Either we add a better WR this offseason or we don’t
If we don’t – then we aren’t better bc we parted ways with Wallace
That logic is just insane to me
It’s possible the coaches weren’t aware that Gibson and Wallace didn’t really pay attention in meetings until Gibson let the cat out of the bag. The way Gibson said it was kind of like, “we don’t really even pay attention in meetings.” Maybe the coaches just thought the two of them were kind of stupid.
Tim
If you believe that how can you have any faith at all in these coaches?
I don’t get that thinking at all
If the coaches can indemnify problems like this, they are a problem and should not be the coaches
And for clarity, I don’t think that is what happened
But if it Did…we are in horrible shape
The NFL reinstated Adrian Peterson. To celebrate he went to Chuck E. Cheese with a whip.
I’m not sure I’d blame anyone for that. Have you ever been to one of those?
LOL, no I’ve never been to one. I’ve driven past them.
I went to a Chuck E. Cheese once. My son’s friend had a birthday party there when my son was about 3 or 4, so I had to stay there the whole time.
Jahn
So it’s the defensive coordinators fault, not the Head Coach. What about the offense? OK, talk about being selective.
In other words, it’s always ssomeone elses fault, not Philbin’s. Too funny.
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You know what, I choose my words because I mean them. I don’t need your “other words”.
I never said Philbin can never be blamed for anything. He’s an honorable man, and probably works harder then both of us combined to try and be better at his job. I’ve no doubt he owns his responsibility. There are more courses of action to correct mistakes then firing/rehiring.
Me saying “I’d have been ok with a DC change” doesn’t mean I wanted him fired. It means I’d have understood it. I didn’t want Philbin fired, though if it happened, I’d probably have understood it. I really shouldn’t have to defend my position with such exactitude, and I won’t if you don’t try and restate what I’ve said to make it sound like I’m stupid or something. Thanks. I’m out to do some actual work.
Silly Tim says:
February 26, 2015 at 1:37 pm
The NFL reinstated Adrian Peterson. To celebrate he went to Chuck E. Cheese with a whip.
no they didnt. the courts reinstated him. the nfl said they will look into it. or so they reported on the radio station i have on
Maybe you’re listening to Mars radio.
Mike E. says:
February 26, 2015 at 1:24 pm
Hey D – Does Wallace bitch and whine in Madden too?
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No i drafted my own franchise so i didn’t have to live with the same mistake our 2014 team did. 🙂
herdfan says:
February 26, 2015 at 1:40 pm
I’m not sure I’d blame anyone for that. Have you ever been to one of those?
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they should change their name from “Where a kid can be a kid” to “where little brats run around and act like the animals their parents didn’t take the time to train them not to be”.
i meant slogan
Piggy, you have said all along it’s about finances to you, yet you have also offered up multiple times “why wait until the end of the season?”.
Simple. Finances! He can be cut with a cap savings as of 2015 league year. Before would’ve cost considerable space against the cap.
Maybe if you cut him
But you can bench him
The difference between midsession and now is not financial Jahn
That is wishful thinking on your part
Either they backed off discipline him, they didn’t recognize it, or they are exaggerating it now
At the end of the day, this is probably about $$$
If Wallace was willing to take a substantial pay cut, I bet one cares about all the other stuff – that is just my guess
I’m not buying this locker rom cancer stuff
I think everyone knows what he is: overpaid
This is funny:
@flasportsbuzz: As Will Manso noted,Beasley 1st Heat player to have 3 different stints with team.Has become Heat’s version of ex-Fin Ray Feinga,only better
Piggy i think it really depends on the shortcoming. If you can work around it and its not something that rubs off on others, sure, but i think the fact they didnt do something about it all season says exactly that they were trying to get it resolved before they came to a point where it became necessary to address it. that’s was a significant event to cap off the subject. I think they felt now that he made a public spectacle of it, they needed had to take a stronger action, and it was obvious the lighter method of handling it wasn’t working. Again, its not public knowledge everything that has transpired, but understanding business operations, you generally have “paper trail” steps you do before you reach a big move like termination. I cant believe they would be so drastically different.
Wallace could have been turning people off all season but the focus was trying to win games so they put up with it. When he quit in the Jets game that had no impact on anything as far as making the playoffs etc., Philbin had enough and benched him. I doubt it was just that one instance.
If that’s true that a huge failure by Philbin
Too little too late
I don’t know why you cannot see that
I don’t think you have to have a paper trail to bench a guy D
I’m actually positive you don’t
It’s the norm in this profession
They could have flat out cut him if they wanted too ( which would have been financially dumb, but paper trail has nothing to do with that)