THE PORCINE ODDYSSEY #90: SUH-DENLY
I know there are a lot of opinions on whether the Dolphins should have signed Ndamukong Suh, especially given the price tag. So I wrote this little ditty to put it in perspective.
PIGGY BEGINS TO PLAY HIS GUITAR
(singing)
I used to think that free agency was just a fairy tale
After that Mike Wallace contract and after Wheeler and Ellerbee
But if I had to do it all again, I wouldn’t change a thing
‘Cause somehow Aponte found cap room to sign and Pay Suh’s fee
(singing)
SUH-denly, oinks have new meaning to me
There’s piggies up above
And players that can change the way you play D
You wake up and SUH-denly, you’re a dominant defense
(singing)
Suh, you’re everything a Dolfan could want and more
One thousand tackles are not enough to oink how much I hate Brady
And now you’ve come to this sunny shore
Never felt like this before, now go kill Brady
(singing)
SUH-denly, oinks have new meaning to me
There’s piggies up above
Tom Brady will need a nurse to help him pee
You wake up and SUH-denly, you’re a dominant defense
(singing)
Each day I squeal
That Tom Brady won’t play another game
(singing)
SUH-denly, oinks have new meaning to me
There’s piggies up above
potential damage to Brady’s organs makes me say Weeeeeeeeeeeeee
You wake up and SUH-denly, you’re a dominant defense
(singing)
SUH-denly, oinks have new meaning to me
There’s piggies up above
Suh, I want you end this cheaters career, pleeeeeeeeeeeeease
You wake up and SUH-denly, you’re a dominant defense
(singing)
There’s piggies up above
And Suh is gonna eat your liver
You wake up and Suh-denly, you’re a dominant defense
Finsmob Unleashed 
first——I remembered last night about a incident where the Bills players had to wear Dolphin helmets because they had their helmets stolen out of the OB locker room the night before game. I forget how many but it was a lot. The Dolphins gave them practice helmets and they put buffalo logostickers on helmet for game. Of course Shula knew nothing about it.
Bills owner helped Joe Robbie tremendously with financing JRS and Joe thanked him numerous times during the opening game ceremony with Chicago. I believe we played Buffalo that year in the pre-season. Troy Stratford cemented his position on the team with a kickoff return for td.
What a foolish foolish foolish salary cap mistake
Suh will be due an $8.5 million roster bonus on the fifth day of the league year in 2018. If he gets that,it’ll be a good bet he remains on the team that year and will be scheduled to make $16.95 million in base salary. His cap number in 2018 is scheduled at $22.085 million.
In 2019 his base salary is $18.95 million and his cap number is at $24.085 million.
In 2020 his base salary is $18.36 million and his cap number is at $18.36 million
Welcome to salary cap hell
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Damnit the whole thing didn’t post now it’s out of order
His base salary in 2015 will be $985,000 so the cap hit this year will be $6.085 million.
His base salary in 2016 will be $23,485,000. That plus the prorated signing bonus number of $5.1 million will make his ’16 cap hit a whopping $28.585 million.
This base salary in ’17 is $9.985 million so his cap hit is scheduled to be $15.085 million.
The base salaries this season,next season and in 2017 are fully guaranteed.
How the fuck you take a 28 million dollar cap hit in one year?????
It is too bad that when the front office get swept out the door we’re going to be stuck with this stupid contract
Next year big fat Suh Eats 18 percent of our salary cap
Next year
SUH – 18M
EVERYONE ELSE 125 M (2.4m Per player)
Might as well fire them all right now. Goodbye Tannenbum, Goodbye wiki, Goodbye Aponte Goodbye Philbin
Hickey not wiki. Fucking speech recognition
Even if the salary cap goes up 10 million dollars next year That is only an additional $200,000 per player to spend On non Suh players. I don’t care who you are or how you structure it That is not maintainable
Understand your concerns, Rock, but I will make 2 points:
1. It emphasises maximizing the draft
2. They’re banking on the continuing growth of the cap limit going forward (which is also troubling, as it somewhat double mortgages the future- but it hurts my head to thank about, and I don’t want to.
You can choose to not think about it if you want. But even if the cap goes up 20 million dollars next year Which I doubt, that only leaves us 2.78m per player average to spend on the rest of the team……. I know you said you don’t want to but think about that for a minute
It’s obvious you have not been reading any of my posts, which is your right, because if you had you would know I was one of those on here pointing out the cons of signing Suh. I am aware of most of the implications his signing has for this team going forward, including all of those you have mentioned, so your condescension is misplaced.
Good luck creating a roster With a 2.6 million dollar average
This has to be the stupidest Free agent mistake in the history of the franchise
Ok my solo rant is over For this morning
Well almost over, let’s see how excited everybody is about the signing the next several years when we cannot re-sign our own free agents or pay any new free agents to come there will be no second contracts with this salary cap situation don’t get attached to any players don’t buy any jerseys unless its a Suh jersey because we cannot afford to keep anybody else
Even if you maximize the draft With an impossibly high hit percentage rate say 5 starters per year ( which nobody in the history of the league has ever done in consecutive years) you cannot maintain a roster.
Rock
The salary cap is 143m
Just a year ago it was 133
And 2 years about 123
It’s going up at about 10m a year
By 2018 it will be about 170m a year
You won’t wince at a 20m cap hit
We take that big cap hit next year
But you do you contracts just like Suh
With a small cap hit in year 1
This is not a handcuffing cap hit
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NICE WORK, PIGGY. Rockphin has a legit worry on the cap hit issue, especially if Super-Suh gets injured and can’t perform up to his old self. But I think EVERY DOLFAN is thrilled to have this suhperstar on OUR roster. My biggest worry is NOT the cap hit. My biggest worry is “Do we have a coaching staff in place that can turn our talented roster into a TEAM OF PLAYOFF WINNERS?? –Philbin and his assistants STILL have to “SHOW ME!!” –So far, they have NOT.–HOPEFULLY, this is the year they DO “SHOW ME!!”
Rock
I just want to say this bud, maybe this will help put things in perspective for you.
When was the last time this team had the best player at their position? Forget special teams, likes kickers and punters, I mean the 22 positions on offense and defense. Suh is the BEST DT in the NFL. The best player at any position is expensive, but we have that guy, rather a few decent ones, we have the BEST. He’ll make everyone on that defense better.
we have a chance to become the best defense ever. If we draft to Coyle’s desire I believe we could become the best Defense ever with the development of Dion Jordan as DE/OLB.
Piggy
That was great man, really enjoyed this one!
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/weird-news/gator-n321701
http://www.terrierman.com/texasgator.JPG —picture is real
yrs ago I used to camp out (party)in the everglades with friends and when you go out of the cabin on the porch at night you could see all the small alligators below the porch and hear the horny males mating calls. You would occasionally hear alligators fighting
@AbramsonPBP: Tannenbaum on Charles Clay: “While he’s checking out his options we’re checking out ours.”
And the chess game continues . . . .
jetssuck
What does a horny male alligator’s mating call sound like?
Never mind – I got my phone so I could watch the video. I think that’s what Suh sounds like when he gets close to the QB. lol
Why haven’t the Bills made that anticipated offer to Clay yet?
Have they?
What is the offer?
@AbramsonPBP: Tannenbaum says he’s had “number of disagreements” with Hickey & Philbin, but that’s normal. They get in room & come out with best decision
So Jordan Cameron was in for a visit? Hopefully that visit included a series of CT scans of his head, and an MRI of his brain, to see if it’s not all scambled. Talented player, probably better than Clay actually, but he can’t stay on the field, and like I’ve said before, his next concussion is probably his last, and he’ll be out of football.
Like I said it could be like the case of Owne Saniels where he’s fine. A lot of these players who are out of the league after multiple concusions typically had concussion issues from HS & college, so there’s a good possibility he turns out fine. He took very limited hits in college also as he was a basketball player primarily.
But then again you never know.
LOL @ Piggy
@AbramsonPBP: Tannenbaum on Tannehill: His skill set is very good but his character is off-the-charts
@AbramsonPBP: Tannenbaum: “Ryan Tannehill is going to be a great quarterback or he’s going to die trying.”
@wbkeene: Especially if you don’t fix that OL “@AbramsonPBP: Tannenbaum: “Tannehill is going to be a great quarterback or he’s going to die trying.””
Ouch! lol
@AbramsonPBP: Tannenbaum said he’s been more concerned with upgrading 3-technique & run defense than ticket sales.
@AbramsonPBP: Tannenbaum says it’s “100 percent” about best player available in the draft.
Try Pod says:
March 12, 2015 at 8:10 am
It’s obvious you have not been reading any of my posts, which is your right, because if you had you would know I was one of those on here pointing out the cons of signing Suh. I am aware of most of the implications his signing has for this team going forward, including all of those you have mentioned, so your condescension is misplaced.
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I haven’t been on much of late because I am slammed at work and going through a divorce. Hit an run mostly, So I probably have missed a lot of your posts. I was not being condescending to you at all, or at least that was not my intention.
How are you Rock?
profoundly unhappy and angry with life. My best friend and the only person I truly care for has shut me out emotionally and has “moved” on without any rational reason or explanation or even knowing exactly why herself (or is lying about that). I am alone and lonely to the point where I cannot even stand going home. I hate my job and do not have any immediate options there either.
Come on Rock
Sing along with us
(singing)
You wake up and SUH-denly….you’re a dominant defense
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For those that think Suhs signing is only about money go listen to the interviews. Smart articulate guy, has an engineering degree when most athletes go sociology or comm degrees, basket weaving. He is very true to his family who seem like awesome true american dream type people. I liked him as a player before watching those interviews but I’m only more convinced in our signing after getting a glimpse of him as a person.
That endorsement by Warren buffet rings big with me too. Buffet is a master businessman and they make a living off spotting not just the right companies to invest in but the right people to bank on. I don’t at all think just because buffet is from Nebraska and Suh played for Nebraska, Buffet would have taken the time to mail Ross with a character reference was Suh not a really dependable and hardworking person who was a good enough human specimen to get his endorsement.
Im very impressed at this point and I think any intelligent strong charactered person such as he us, would choose a place to invest himself in just based on the few extra millions he could get. At some point the quality of life came into it and he felt strongly that the Dolphins offered that along with the money he was looking for.
I’ll say too if you aren’t impressed with the passion Ross has for our team. You are blind and likely not Hunan. Sorry piggy. The guys nay not know all the ins and outscof football, I’d guess he has never played the sport, but he lives it, and he love our team. Hate him cause he is rich hate him because of the council he keeps but don’t deny that he loves the team because that shit is in your face evident.
And Suh will eat your liver!!!!
We some people are more Schezuan. LOL
LOL @ basket weaving
Also, I think Ross clearly cares about this franchise
and I will say what I’ve ben sating for years
I don’t get the Ross negativity
Huzienga had the poo poo touch
Ross is a different animal (probably a pig)
I like Ross as an owner, we are lucky to have him
The wrath of OD will be upon you.
Look at the 7th pic down
Look at Suh’s tenacity as he is sacking the eagles QB (Vick?)
Look at the angle of his body!
That’s a football player!
He has a non-stop motor to go along with elite ability. That’s a rare combination.
Also
After watching a ton of Suh highlights
I am sure the happiest person outsie of Miami about Suh’s signing is Jay Cutler
He used to kill that guy!
Nice job piggy. Thanks for the laugh.
BTW suh had one of his worst games against the pats last year. Lets hope he can change that.
What makes you think he had a bad game?
they lost 34-9 and he had 0 sacks against marsha. Belicheat took him out.
It sounds like DeMarco Murray is going to end up in Philly.
piggy,
Huzienga went to playoffs as an owner a few times. Ross hasn’t sniffed it yet. So to me Huzienga was a better owner.
Huzienga is why we are where we are. Despite having a ready made team, and DAN FREAKIN MARINO, when he took over, look at what his actions led us to. Ross is making up for the shit Huzienga did to the Phins.
give me a break Huzienga is not the reason we are where we are. Ross has been the owner for the last 7 years. That’s plenty of time to put a winner on the field.
Bullshit
Huzienga bought a playoff team
and a team that was annually winning
then set us on a course of Wanny, Cam Cameron, Nick Saban and Parcells
Take a look at the drafts from that era
Take a look at what we did to better the team
Don’t shit on the kitchen floor, sell the house, then blame the new owner for having shit on the kitchen floor when he tries to clean it up
Ross bought a frnachise that Huzienga significanly downgraded
Huzienga shit all over the Marlins too, so this isn;t unique to the Dolphins
he’s been owner for 7 years with 0 playoffs. Ross has done NOTHING so far. zilch. nada.
Rock will love this. $28m cap hit next year.
“His base salary in 2016 will be $23,485,000. That plus the prorated signing bonus number of $5.1 million will make his ’16 cap hit a whopping $28.585 million.”
I posted that above along with all the other years of his contract his. It is crippling.
Piggy
The leg whip sack of Cutler was particularly violent. It sure seemed like he didn’t like Cutler.
Who does…..
Of all people, it seemed like Brandon Marshall did, although that seemed to sour last year too.
The thing that I like about Suh is the non stop aggression. For years we’ve watched this team not swarm to the ball. We’d see one guy wrap up a ball carrier and the other defenders just stop and watch as the ball carrier gains an extra 4 or 5yds until they finally fall. That won’t happen with Suh, dude will run the length of the field to nail someone. This defense needs to feed on that aggression and quit the passive play.
Seems to have a real on off switch for a characteristic that is really necessary in football, especially in the trenches. Nice as can be, quiet, reserved and soft spoken off the field but on it, a very pissed off bear of a human being.
Ross even said it himself yesterday. That he’s done nothing yet because they haven’t won anything yet with him as owner.
Thats called drive dude. Thats what pushes him to make these kind of signings, to push for advanced analytics and science to help the team lead the way not fall behind. He is owning the fact he doesnt feel satisfied with what he has given us so far, you guys really need to cut the dude some slack.
“I was not being condescending to you at all, or at least that was not my intention.”
I hadn’t been awake long and probably over-reacted. Cheers.
Grumpy! 🙂
Oh wait, not grumpy, it was cranky, right?
Is winter over, are you an optimistic fan again?
I will be 49 soon, so I am getting closer to that magical “get off my lawn” stage.
LOL
Im convinced some of you like to be disappointed lol…. Dont do anything, not trying hard enough, make a bold move, omg he set us back 100years. Sheesh,
I just want to be in the playoffs. I don’t care how we get there. The packers and the steelers don’t make a splashes every year but they get in the show every year. The only thing Ross knows is to spend money. I admire him for that but we know in the NFL you can’t just spend money. It takes a lot more than just money,.
The steeler spend almost all their cap money each year
Rothlisberger had a 18M cap # for 2014 by himself
Lawrence Timmons has over 12M
The difference between Packers and Steelers is that they re-sign their guys for this money b/c they draft well
We haven;t drafted well
So we bring in outside guys
Spending money in the NFL works
The temas with the lowest spending are usually losing teams
The teams in the postseason have spent a lot
This idea that spending is a bad thing int he nfl is a myth
You just have to spend the right way ont he right players
ideally, you draft players, liek the Steelers ansd packers have, and know who they are, and keep them
But are the Dolphisn in position to do that?
No
They simply did not draft well
So then what do you do?
Of course you have to bring in outside free agents
Do not buy into this silly fanatasy that spending int he NFL does not work
Some people sim ply have a lot of animosiyt about free agency
some pople hate to see young athl;etes paid as much as they receive
but spending does work
You just have to do it right
Not aimed at anyone in particular but every fan base has those who are like Randy Quaid from Major League II
Boulder
You blame Suh for that 34-9 loss
Scoring 9 points might have a little something to do with that loss….lol
Belicheat didn;t take him out
The Patrtriots ran the ball far less against than against anyone else
belicheat avoided Suh
The Cheats ran the ball 20 times in that game
Brady threw the ball 53 times
and this is a cheats team that ran the ball a lot in 2014
They actively avoided running at the Lions b/c of Suh
He made that team one dimensional
The rest of the Lions team failed not Suh
Belicheat game planned around Suh and it worked
But suggesting that Suh had a bad game is simply false
here is the box score
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2014112306/2014/REG12/lions@patriots#menu=gameinfo%7CcontentId%3A0ap3000000434866&tab=recap
Most of the time when you cause a team to become one dimensional, the results will be much better
I hope we can force Brady to throw the ball 53 times next season
Chances are we will have better results
I’m not saying anything different. Belicheat neutralized suh in that game. Which is what you’re saying.
Then its not a bad performance by Suh, its a great performance by Belichick.
He didn;t neutralize him
he planeed around him and took adavatge of the other weak points of the Lions
You said he had a bad game – he didnt
Their offense had a bad game
their secondary had a bad game
He didn;t exploite Suh
He avoided him
Ross became an involved owner in 2011 when he went after Harbaugh. Before that he stayed behind the scenes with Parcells running the show. As he learned more about the game he’s been trying to rebuild this organization.
Ross as an owner- I’m not as high on Ross as Piggy, but no where as angry as OD. But I do question his structure, as I have repeatedly, and I question the whole Orange Carpet” BS that I think turned a lot of people off, including many of the diehards. I also won’t give him a pass because of what Huizenga left him, though I am no fan of his, either.
I had completely forgotten about the Harbaugh/Sparano debacle in the above, which also does not help to endear him to the fan base, though I did like that he ess willing to try and get the “best available guy”.
Its not a pass its saying if you walk into team thats already in good shape, your are going to have success, you walk into a team thats in complete disarray, its going to take time to get shit straight and moving in the right direction again. As Tim pointed out, he has slowly gotten an idea of how things go and gotten more and more involved as an owner, he is now kind of understand how things work and is starting to move pieces around and get things in order to build what we all want. With where Huzienga left us, that was no small task, and if he didnt love and care about making the Phins winners again, he could have sold and moved the fuck on from this headache, and instead he chose to delve deeper.
All of that is fine, but he is still an absentee owner, or at best an owner-by-proxy, and I can not think of a successful team in the nfl that has an owner that does not spend more time at the home office than they do at their other endeavors.
Slight subject change but none the less important….Has Clay been offered yet?
Supposedly the offer is supposed to be made today, but Cleveland is in the mix. If Jordan Cameron checks out medically, I would expect he signs today or Clay breaks off negotiations to comeback. Either way Id expect resolution sometime today.
There are professors at the University of California who want the U.S. flag banned because it contributes to racism. I’m not even sure what to say. SMH
How so? Did they elaborate?
There are 3 K’s on the flag, not all together mind you….but there are three so obviously racist. Im just joking i dont know what its about.
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/03/11/watch-megyn-kellys-glorious-response-to-professors-who-want-to-ban-the-u-s-flag/
D
I’m optimistic. I like the Suh signing (Say that 3 times fast!) You know I don’t think Philbin is a good HC, but maybe he’ll learn how to be one. That’s all I can hope for. Sometimes, people get better at their jobs, so that’s what I hope happens.
Ross had the right guy in mind with Harbaugh, just went about getting him the wrong way. Rookie mistake.
D
I haven’t seen anything regarding Clay yet
I wish people wouldn’t look at money spent and say “that was bad”
I wish they would look att he product purchased
I guess some people go to the grocery store
look at their bill afterwards and say “all this food tastes like shit because I spent so much”
but the reality is the only thing that makes the food taste like shit is shitty food
not the costs of it
Judge the Suh signing by the product, not the price tag
Piggy – I think most people complaining about Suh aren’t complaining about Suh the player, just the price tag and they’re complaining about not being able to get any other players. Kinda like telling your brother who lives in a $3000 a month apartment in Manhattan, and bought a Ferrari F40, and now can’t afford to eat that he made a mistake. lol
I tried to explain this and erased it all, but it did seem to me Piggy presumes a certain level of production that he can not know because of what Suh did previously, which came under different conditions. I know that is how all players are evaluated, but to dismiss the effect of that cost to the production of the overall endeavor.. respectfully Piggy. I just don’t get the sense you consider it even worth thinking about.
..or at least, you seem very certain his presence on the team mitigates this enough to make it a non-factor- and that still doesn’t really say what I’m trying to express.
Looks like Jets have their old secondary back. They sound like they are about to re-sign Cromartie.
I heard he might play safety.
Probably wouldnt be a bad idea, aging vet, lost a step, good size.
If it wasnt for the Alabama hat id think OD just had one helluva day 😛
http://prod.images.dolphins.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/DOLPHINS/assets/images/imported/MIA/photos/clubimages/2015/02-February/temp022115-MarinoFriends-jw6005–nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg?width=620&height=465
Why does Marino look like he’s making “gay hands”? lol
Ever notice Henne always looked like he was serving hors-d’oeuvres? LOL
Flick of the wrist…..
He reminds me of “Handyboy” from “Linving Color”.
In Living Color- The Adventures of Handi-Man: https://youtu.be/sEaTFKG4IHs
The Marino post, not MarkeyH’s boy.
Kevin Nogle retweeted
Andrew Abramson @AbramsonPBP 51m51 minutes ago
Mike Tannenbaum confirmed that Charles Clay is visiting #Browns in addition to #Bills
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Guess thats good that the Bills didn’t offer enough to keep him from visiting the Browns. Bad in the fact now we have more competition.
Michigan Pro day today, lets see if Funchess runs a better 40.
NM its a new tweet, but looks like the Pro Day was yesterday,
LOL and again a correction…it is today…fucking misleading articles.
Try
If Suh brings the defense up to a championship level, I don’t think anyone will be complaining. If the rest of the defense still looks like shit at the end of the season, heads are gonna roll. I think Suh changes the dynamic of the defense big time, but in the next couple of years, we’re going to see how difficult it will be to pick up other players outside of the draft.
I guess I’m just trying to say no matter what he brings to the team, there is a cost, and that cost may likely be worth it, but it’s also possible that cost may keep us from making changes/additions that also contribute to the overall success. Maybe we get 2 more wins, become a playoff team, and can’t afford to get that next piece that gets us to the championship game…
I’d be happy if this move gets us into the playoffs.
.. or replace a piece that gets broken, and needs to be subbed for.. etc.
if tanny dies trying i call dibbs on lauren.
LOL @ Tim – It could also look like he’s saying “What, I have to check it down, the coverage was too tight, what do you want me to do?”
NFLTradeRumors.co @nfltrade_rumors 59s59 seconds ago
Report: Buccaneers Will Attempt To Trade S Dashon Goldson http://bit.ly/1xgHDVU
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Want to add some more nasty to the team? lol.
I wouldn’t mind the player but wouldn’t want that contract.
Mike E. says:
March 12, 2015 at 10:35 am
How so? Did they elaborate?
cause it is not red black and blue?
Jim Kielbaso @JimKielbaso · 23m 23 minutes ago
Unofficial: Several scouts had Funchess under 4.5 on his 40 at the Michigan NFL Pro Day
Dammit ffr beat me on dibs for Lauren
Good article about Gerod Holliman
http://mmqb.si.com/2015/03/12/nfl-draft-stats-gerod-holliman-louisville/
i am reading the book Unbroken. the story of Louis Zamperini. in the book as a young boy his family moved from the east coast to the west for health reasons. the book reference the city they moved to as trying to block them and make it illegal cause they were Italian. the city was pissed.
just think as little as back in the 1920’s you were discriminated against cause you were Italian. but that is never taught in today’s school. only if you were black were you ever discriminated against
Italians, Irish and Jews need not apply.
LOL @ FFR – should have known
We have to start drafting better and I think we started that last year.
lol @ son
i was reading that and thinking. hhhmmmmm if tanny is going to ‘die’ trying and i got dibs. welllll…….then i think i am taking up the randy fight here and saying what a flaming failure tanny is and is the worst pocket passer in the history of the game.
good article
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/3/12/8199125/ndamukong-suh-was-never-going-back-to-detroit
wtf now when one refresh’s there is no more bob tanny and dan. oh well. at least now we all know what the contract was for. 1 mil to sign suh and 40 mil per roll on the back of his head
Try
Let’s get good first, make the playoffs. We’ll worry about staying there once we’re there. Sound good?
Well, he must o’ thought that is quite a joke
And it got a lot of laughs from a’ lots of folk,
It seems I had to fight my whole life through.
Some gal would giggle and I’d get red
And some guy’d laugh and I’d bust his head,
I tell ya, life ain’t easy for a boy named “Suh.”
Love that ballad lol.
I agree with Rock….Tannenbaum scares me and he is in charge. All of you who made fun of him when he was the the stej are now applauding him. Answer this: what happens if Suh gets injured? I could not log on my pc with caligigi so used my Twitter acct.
more importantly is what if tanny gets injured because of lack of protection.
Mike E. I have heard from a lot of evaluators that they feel that if Holliman and Tartt were combined it would be the best safety prospect that has come out in a LONG time and that both of them are adequate in the areas they are weakest. I wouldnt mind either on our team, and i have been pimping Tartt since early early on. I think the best “fusion” of the two is Cody Prewitt though, so there are three guys at our around rounds 2-3 that can be start right away guys i think. We could use Aikens is kind of the Jimmy Wilson role, and let him play both S and CB in certain packages.
I’m looking forward to seeing Aikens and Thomas compete.
Also, our defense was terrible last year – we need LBs, CB & Safeties and oh yeah, our offense was impotent so where are the playmakers/scorers? We need a solid OL – Tannehill has yet to have one.
quick comment due to spring cleaning 😦 : If Bills go above 7 mil for Clay, move on. Clay had big plays but I think we might be too emotionally attached in that we exaggerate his value in light of actual production. Sims and Chandler (from Bills) provide some big targets at a more affordable price. I’m not gonna agonize Clay if Bills offer ridiculous contract… he’s good, but he’s not elite. “Good” has a price limit, imo.
I agree. I think giving tanny better protection is more important than clay. Tanny can make an avg catch passing TE great if he has time.
I agree
Tommy Flatballs and the Patsies still have no penalty, just a gift wrapped Super Bowl.
BoulderPhinfan says:
March 12, 2015 at 9:58 am
Nice job piggy. Thanks for the laugh.
BTW suh had one of his worst games against the pats last year. Lets hope he can change that.
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I saw that game from start to finish and the Patriots dominated by going spread and abusing the Lions secondary and LB cover schemes. They were going with quick hitters often which neutralizes the pass rushers of course. That was their plan all along to just throttle the Lions defensive weakness -> coverages.
Oh and Pro Football Focus gave Suh a pretty good grade in that game 😛
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/11/24/refo-lions-patriots-week-12/
My point was that just because we signed suh doesn’t mean we’re gonna beat the pats twice every year. Belicheatl knows very well how to nuetralize a player.
The pats will keep winning this division until marsh retires and it doesn’t matter who we bring in.
D
Reshad likes to and can play in the box. He’s a hitter, and Holliman can roam around in the outfield and make plays. I think that can work.
Michael Thomas might be all we need with Aikens and Don Jones.
Maybe, but I really like Holliman. I doubt we draft him, because we don’t usually get the guys I want, but I think he’s worth a 3rd RD or 4th RD pick
Gigi, what happens if anyone gets injured?
If Tannehill gets injured, you can likely kiss the season goodbye, and we saw what happened when Albert got injured.
We have NO depth on this team and I do not think spending so much money on one guy is the answer. No doubt Ross will and has paid whatever he can to try and help but let me point this out – the Patsies are notoriously cheap and just won the Super Bowl — great coaching and Tom Brady won not $$$ spent on top FA(s).
It’s like that for all teams.
i dont like the suh signing cause it seldom works. very few times does giving someone that much money do they still have the same hunger and desire.
as far as the injury, that has nothing to do with how much you pay someone. if suh signed for five dollars he could still get injured.
I have my concerns about the cap implications going forward, but it’s got absolutely NOTHING to do with the idea that he’s going to tank now that he got paid. The signs aren’t there. Coming off a small contract? No. He made 25M coming out of college. Did he tank getting paid coming out of college? No. He excelled in spite of getting paid. Did he come from a background where money ruins people? No. He came from a background where money comes along with success, and success was always the goal.
Was he a one year/contract year wonder? No. He’s impressed every single year in the league. He’s a future HOFer if his health holds up, and btw, he’s got a damn good track record for staying healthy. Guys like that don’t tank because they got paid.
Injury is always possible, and that is the only thing that scares me.
I love the Suh signing and if we were to draft Shaq Thompson the patsies would have to face the Suh-Shaq Redemption.
LOL
We could draft CB Josh Shaw too Son. lol
FFR: True about injuries — my point was you cannot predict anything we signed some big FA in the past few years who never played a down in the reg. season or at all cause they got injured. Why spend so much on one guy? Yeah he is a great player but we have many needs – just my opinion.
great Player is the key here. He truely is a great. We didn’t just get Joe Blow decent NFL player we got the top of the top a real difference maker, this is different. Trust.
Son
Good point on the Patriots not getting penalized. NFL is hoping we all forget about it now that the combine happened and Free Agency is in full swing.
Rock;
I share your concerns and voiced my opinion about that the other day. I also am excited to see Suh play. He is the best at his position and it was a position of need. The question will be how do we fill other positions of need and what is the realistic chance that the young talent such as Turner and Jordan and our young corners are realistic and viable candidates to start and contribute at a high level.
Rock,
Suh’s deal is basically a 3 year deal.
Obviously the risk is inherent in the players health.
If Suh gets injured within this 3 year time from this can be potentially disastrous (I say disastrous because if the Fins don’t draft successfully then the only other way to get productive players is to buy them in FA).
If the Fins feel they need to cut Suh after 2017, they can take the remaining pro-rated signing bonus hit right away at a $10.2 mill charge for the 2018 cap year or split it into two cap years via post June 1st cut ($5.1 mill hit in 2018 then $5.1 mill hit in 2019).
As for the individual cap year hits; I’m not too concerned how they do it. Everyone else getting a high priced contract will just have their specific year cap hit rolled into some other year.
Rookie salaries are pretty miniscule so no need to worry about the impact of those on the cap.
Remember, the cap will continue to grow which creates more room naturally and the CBA mandates spending so teams have to either spend it on average players (see Jags) or just split their roster payments into high priced high end players and cheap rookies who can ball.
Mike E. says:
March 12, 2015 at 11:42 am
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Reshad likes to and can play in the box. He’s a hitter, and Holliman can roam around in the outfield and make plays. I think that can work.
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If we were a scheme that played one shallow one deep like that i would agree with ya, but our scheme is both safeties playing same role. We need hybrid guys, but having said that i dont think Holliman is a liability there, just needs to improve some, same as Tartt with his coverage, he isnt a liability but he could do with a little refinement. Prewitt is the one that probably could use a little refinement in both areas but offers the best overall combination of skills and probably would plug more naturally into that spot. The reason we didn’t chase Jarius Byrd and instead went for Delmas, is because our defense is set up to have interchangeable safeties.
Gotcha – That makes sense.
gigi
if you think the pats won with great coaching and brady and not that they have the commish in their back pocket then i think you are smoking too much of that legal stuff out there.
never in the history of the league, or hell any league has a team had constant turnover and continues to win no name players. the only way that happens is if they are getting an advantage some place else. it is no coincidence every SB they have won comes with a cheating scandal
Ken,
I don’t have a problem with spending; it has to happen but I do care about where the money is spent. To me, DT is the foundation of any defense and if you can get the top talent there or top 3, then so be it. Yes, I prefer something cheap (draft) but the team has talent that is on the cusp of peaking (Vernon / Tannehill) or already peaking (Wake) and the Fins obviously don’t want to wait to develop a DT.
Addition of suh will sell more tickets. That’s probably one of the big reasons he was brought here.
I think that may be somewhat intended collateral…however, I think the primary reason they signed him is because the chance to get an HOF player in his prime is incredibly rare in this league.
Blog moved fast, but there’s a response for you above FFR regarding the chances Suh tanks after he gets paid. I did mention Haynesworth back when Suh was just an idea, but in retrospect, Haynesworth was a contract year wonder and he never had the pedigree or proven reputation for staying healthy and playing hard that Suh has.
I understand the injury, but for oyu guys who were gung ho for Albert but worry about Suh (who has no history of injury) really confuse me. There is quaite a bit of money tied up in Albert too. It does suck to lose sucha talented player to injury, and thats despite the inherent cost associated with them, but i think this is unwarranted fear at this point as there is no more likelihood he will get injured as there is someone like Watt and almost universally on here people agree his contract was a good one.
to use piggy’s analogy
signing suh is like buying a $300 tenderloin for dinner and spending $30 on salad and potatoes. if you ruin the tenderloin cooking it, dinner will suck however there will be some other cheap ass stuff your guest can fill up on.
FFR: The stuff out here is wayyyyyy better then in FLA so yeah maybe my brain is getting a little toasted. 😛
LOL, enjoy!
What stuff?
jahn
i didnt say suh isnt a great player. as a matter of fact i dont think anyone on here has ever questioned if he was a great player or not. i think most of the questions center around it is a big gamble one way or another to spend that much money on one player.
some worry about injury, my worry is about his commitment. i read you response and have no comment back, everything you said is true and a valid point. but i still worry about it. cause there is a history of it happening all over sports.
Fair enough. I just think that there are clues, and in every instance you can point to them, but there are none of those with Suh. Like I said, I have my own worry, but it’s about injury, and not commitment. Only time will tell.