Holy Doldrums…

Holy Doldrums…

By son of a son of a shula

“The Waiting is the hardest part”, that’s where we are right now. Training camp will begin in 13 days. Until then we ravenous fans have to continue to try and blend in with society. We have to act like we don’t want the summer weather to end, as if we just can’t get enough of the beach, that vacations are awesome. Wait – we do love those things but its football we yearn for.  We want football AND the beach – but the kids still go back to school!

Here is the training camp schedule. Is anyone going to make it to any practices?

Miami Dolphins 2015 Public Training Camp Schedule

All Practices at Doctors Hospital Training Facility – Davie, FL unless noted.

8 a.m. – Thursday, July 30
8 a.m. – Friday, July 31
8 a.m. – Saturday, Aug. 1
8 a.m. – Sunday, Aug. 2
8 a.m. – Tuesday, Aug. 4
8 a.m. – Wednesday, Aug. 5
8 a.m. – Thursday, Aug. 6
#7 p.m. – Friday, Aug. 7
3 p.m. – Sunday, Aug. 9
12:30 p.m. – Monday, Aug. 10
8 a.m. – Tuesday, Aug. 11
*1:15 p.m. – Saturday, Aug. 15
8 a.m. – Sunday, Aug. 16
8 a.m. – Monday, Aug. 17

# Ocean Bank Field at FIU Stadium – Miami, FL
* Finatic Only Member Day


Training Camp will lead directly into the Pre-season and we will begin to see the 2015 Dolphins start to take shape. All of the position battles we anticipate watching will soon be unfolding. Who will the Guards be? Who will the other Corner be? Who will be the nickel corner, the WLB, the 2nd back, the 3rd Tight End? All of these questions will soon be answered. Is there going to be a camp surprise, a guy who comes out of nowhere and makes the team? We will start to get glimpses of the D-Line rotation, which LB packages we’ll see, which Receiver packages in different situations. We’ll start to see if Tannehill develops chemistry with anyone. Is Landry still his go to guy? Maybe Parker becomes a favorite because he catches everything, maybe Jennings for his pure routes, can Stills get deep and is there a rookie or relative unknown poised to steal a spot in the group? Is Jay Ajayi a true steal from the draft? How nicely will Jordan Phillips fit in with a deep experienced group?

The Guard battle is above all others as the dawn of a new training camp nears. Thomas and Turner appear to be the front runners. So will they hold on? Does a rookie like Douglas take a job? How about a vet with some experience behind but nothing we see now to suspect as much. Can Linkenbach, McClendon or Walton come away with the job? For the players who were here last year, they enter year two in the Lazor system and that should give them a leg up and perhaps it does as we see Turner and Thomas in front as it stands. Practicing against the likes of Suh and the rest of that Dline should yield the best players that hopefully we haven’t seen in some time here. Whoever it is we don’t ask much – just total domination.

Hang in there Dolphans, just a couple of more grueling weeks of beaches, bar-b-ques, vacations and summer fun to endure before good ‘ol football starts up again.

Congratulations to Naples and his bride on 38 years together.

I want to thank our friend Bat for the following in regards to espn choosing Bruce over other possibly more deserving courage award nominees:

“My point is that those two were certainly more worthy of a “courage” award than a pathetic aging fop trying to capitalize on his deviations.”


My wish for this season: Please 2015 Dolphins don’t draw Bat’s ire

And Cav Kong, set that beautiful Dolphin watch to Suh time and it should do just fine next December.

Suh is here everything is different now!

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150 Responses to Holy Doldrums…

  1. Brian in NY says:

    Nice work Son! Let’s hope that Suh is eerthing we expect him to be and more. We need him to bring an attitude to this defense that hasn’t been seen in years. I am confident most of the position will work themselves out, but I am very concerned about the guard positons. IMO, virtually nothing from mini camps can be learned; the pads need to come on before we really know what shape we’re in. My fear is Mathis will be scooped up before we make our decision on him.

  2. The Flying Pig says:

    Good stuff Son
    Congrats to Naples once again

    LOL@Bat’s quote

    (Singing) The waiting is the hardest part…

  3. Tim Knight says:

    Good job, Son. But who cares about the ESPYS? Did you care last year and the year before and so on?

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      I couldn’t give two shits about the espy’s but what Bat said I find funny as hell.
      I still love football but I hate the way espn covers it and they have ruined every other sport for me.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Not a fan of ESPN either and the only time I watch is if it’s a game I want to see.

  4. CavalierKong says:

    LOL, I’ve reset the watch to Suh time. I am ready for some football!

  5. stangerx says:

    Well Done Son!

    Was that Suh doing his best Fat Albert impression? 🙂

  6. Rockphin says:

    Watch out Ryan Timothy Tannehill III (RTIII) There is a new Hottest Dolphin’s player wife in town. (at least until the final cut down to 53)

  7. Tim Knight says:

    The ages of our possible starting defense.
    LDE Wake 33
    LDT Suh 28
    RDT Mitchell 27
    RDE Vernon 24
    SOLB McCain 23
    MLB Misi 28
    WOLB Jenkins 23
    LCB Grimes 31
    S R. Jones 27
    S Delmas 28
    RCB Taylor 24

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Just to add to this
      if Taylor gets beaten in camp it will probably be an even younger guy that does it

      • Tim Knight says:

        True but unless Taylor gets injured again I think he’ll win the job. He’s got more natural ability than the other corners.

  8. The Flying Pig says:


    Don’t forget about Tony Lippett or good ole’ Bobby McCain (Piggy plays a harmonica and stomps a trotter)

  9. D says:

    I have people i would like to make the team, and those i would like to see start but i really dont care if i get my feelings hurt as long as we field the best players. I dont care just because Taylor was a second round pick or Davis was a 3rd that either of them pan out any more than i do any/all of them panning out. At the end of the day if Lippett starts and is the best, or if its Bowman, or if its someone like Seamster, it really doesnt matter as long as he is the best option.

    We acquired every one of these guys, so it doesnt matter if they came as a draft pick, high or low rounds, UDFA pickup or even someones cut we picked up as a camp body, if they earned it and do a good job for us its a success. Likewise, if they dont then its a failure and it doesn’t matter whether or not they WERE a 2nd rounder, etc..

  10. stangerx says:

    Tim — and the offense is pretty darn young too. What a base we have to build on.

    I figure the sign when we are really ready to go for the ring will be when we bring in high-quality big name vets to fill holes for a year or two (and I’m not talking about the stop-gap types we’ve had to patch up the O-line in recent years).

  11. Tim Knight says:

    Stanger, our offense is much younger. Let’s just roll with this projected lineup for now. We know other guys will play too.

    WR Stills 23
    WR Landry 22
    LT Albert 30
    LT Thomas 25
    C Pouncey 25
    RG Turner 23
    RT James 23
    TE Cameron 26
    WR Jennings 31
    QB Tannehill 26
    RB Miller 24

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Don;t look now but you have 2 left tackles

    • stangerx says:

      And that is with Jennings and not Parker. We ain’t gonna have big money in years to come like before, but we might not need it. All those guys on O are good to roll for a while.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Right, Parker, Sims, Ajayi and Williams will see playing time too as well as some others.

  12. Rockphin says:

    Tim Knight says:
    July 17, 2015 at 2:31 pm

    I agree. I just like what Taylor has shown when he played in his 9 games last year.

    What is that? Allowing 68% of passes thrown into his coverage to be completed? The 91+ QBR that opposing QB’s had throwing into his area?

    I’m just busting balls. I HOPE Taylor locks down the Corner spot for years and plays at a high level. He has a lot to prove though.

    • stangerx says:

      He does have a lot to prove…….but then he’s got a bunch of guys with at least starter-caliber histories waiting to pick up the ball if he drops it.

  13. Rockphin says:

    That is a pretty freaking young offense. 25 year average. IF they can put it together we could be good for years with the same guys as a group. crossing fingers, but it’s hard to type like this…

  14. The Flying Pig says:

    I don’t really remember Peter Warrick doing anything in the pros

    So you guys?

    • Tim Knight says:

      He wasn’t that good at the next level but he had some productive years. He never lived up to his projection as the #4 pick.

  15. Rockphin says:

    They should bring back Les Brown……..or at least his girlfriend…..

  16. The Flying Pig says:

    I think we should have a special edition fest where all the hot girlfriends and wives of the players are invited

    I’m sure they would show up…don’t you guys think?

    • Rockphin says:

      Not sure I would want to be around the players wives and girlfriends in my typical game day state. Just asking for too much trouble. LOL Hell Caleb Sturgis could probably kick my ass…..Well, maybe.

  17. Tim Knight says:

    Rock, you know what’s funny about a QBR against a corner is that how do they figure in the QB not throwing his way when his guy is covered? Usually when a QB throws to a target he thinks he’s open so you would expect a high percentage of completed passes when a guy is targeted.

    The thing I like about Taylor is he’s aggressive and tackles well. He only allowed a 10.0 YPCA which for a corner is very good.

    • Rockphin says:

      I’m not sure how they figure it. I get your point though.

      Besides, as I said I was just busting balls. I am practicing my negative nelly antics. I have decided to join the HDS this season…..

  18. Rockphin says:

    Blah blah blah gum wrapper..

    Blah blah blah bazooka joe..

    Blah blah blah Tannehill can’t hit the deep pass…

  19. Rockphin says:

    We need to fire Hicky & Tannebaum (And especially Philben) and hire a new GM and give him power to pick his own coach…. Blah Blah Blah mediocrity… Blah

  20. Rockphin says:

    The stadium upgrades suck already…
    Ross needs to sell the team….
    Blah Blah Blah…GUM WRAPPER

  21. Rockphin says:

    Cue Cards Blah Blah Blah

  22. Rockphin says:


    Oh, wait….what would a member of the HDS say here?

  23. Tim Knight says:

    Carnival anal oil

  24. CavalierKong says:


    “Unfortunately the parachute had been through a rigorous pre-jump inspection and did deploy.”

  25. The Flying Pig says:

    Here is a photo of Rex Ryan celebrating after he landed


  26. The Flying Pig says:

    More rex celebrating

  27. Rockphin says:

    I am so glad Parcels recommended him for the Jest position and didn’t hire him for Miami!


    I cannot stand the guy!

  28. The Flying Pig says:

  29. D says:

    Bleacher Report ‏@BleacherReport Jul 16

    ESPN and Colin Cowherd to part ways http://ble.ac/1Hx3Lm4

  30. Rockphin says:

    RIP Bill Arnsparger

    architect of the no name defense

  31. D says:

    Bleacher Report ‏@BleacherReport 17h17 hours ago

    Marshawn Lynch stored chicken wings in his socks while coaching at his youth football camp http://ble.ac/1HC9XXy

    MMMMMM gonna save some of these for later….hmmm where will i…hmm…shit ill just stuff a couple of these down here and…

    later on…..

    Mmmmmm warm and juicy like i like em….little salty though….

  32. Tim Knight says:

    Rex Ryan stuffed a brontosaurus burger in his ass when he went sky diving. He ate it on the way to lunch.

  33. Rockphin says:

    I saw this morning the the NFL has officially started the narrative to get Brady’s suspension reduced without an outcry (or at least minimizing the outcry)

    In two different segments on of the ANALists said “Don’t you think that with Greg Hardy’s suspension being reduced to 4 games that Brady’s suspension should be reduced as well? I mean the heinous nature of Hard’s offense way out ways what Brady has been accused of…”

    Or something to that effect. BULL SHIT NFL! Hardy’s original punishment should have stood and Brady the fucking cheater should have gotten 6 games! (minimum) Belichich should have been suspended for the year (second offense caught cheating)

    • Tim Knight says:

      Ced’s a good dude.

    • stangerx says:

      It is a great story….and clearly he has a kind heart. While this seemed the exception though, try telling most people who say “can you help me get something to eat” sure lets go and get you something. Nine out of ten times the answer will be no thanks. I’m sure the exact reasons why differ.

      • D says:

        Ive done it before, hell ive given them money before, my philosophy is,if i feel its the right thing to do, then it doesn’t matter what they do with it. You dont help out when your heart tells you to, then your not doing the right thing. There of course are reason for safety sake i would never violate, i also wouldn’t expect my wife to feel as secure doing something liek that because she is more vulnerable than i am, having the kids with her normally, but he was definitely right that way too often, we approach things like that with cynicism and judgement and its at the cost of people in need.

      • stangerx says:

        I help out sometimes even if I am not sure if it is really the right thing to do. I liked the campaign one homeless organization had back in DC. They had contribution jars on most business counters that essentially said, “please give to us rather than the guys on the street……we’ll then take care of them in the right way.”

  34. Rockphin says:

    I noticed that the s hedule makers finally screwed the Pats this year by giving them their bye in week 4. That is usually the exclusive domain of the Dolphins

  35. Ken says:

    Good job Son. Yes we are in the doldrums but once TC opens it should be fun and excitement once again.

  36. twicethethe says:

    As Rockphin mentioned above, RIP Bill Arnsparger. The architect of 2 of the 3 great defenses the Dolphins have ever had (No Name and Killer B’s; the only other one being Jimmy’s defense with Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor).

    Wait, that just got me thinking. So the Dolphins have really only ever had three great defenses?


  37. Try Pod says:

    I hope that our resident historian has a few thoughts he has time to put together on the passing of what history days is one of the great coaches in NFL lore.
    RIP Bill Arnsparger.

  38. wyoming85 says:


  39. wyoming85 says:

    WARNING “Daily Right wing agenda post”

    Katie Pavlich ‏@KatiePavlich 18h18 hours ago
    Weird, since they implemented gun free zones at U.S. military facilities there have been 20 shootings at those facilities.

  40. wyoming85 says:

    Professor Lou ‏@professor_lou 8m8 minutes ago
    Phins have this wr trying out. Obvious they want more size: Joe Southwick 42 yard TD Geraldo Boldewijn https://youtu.be/zyO63HHVRII via @YouTube

  41. Tim Knight says:

    Wyo, it takes a good man to admit his mistake. 🙂

  42. Mike E. says:


    Happy Anniversary! All the best to you and your wife, nice to see when people stay together like you have.

  43. Mike E. says:

    Vacation was fantastic, it really was a great week, but my good friend Rob passed away on Saturday before we went. The wake and funeral were Tuesday and Wednesday, so some of our group went to the wake, and others went to the funeral, and just a few went to both. His family came up to the mountains on Wednesday, and they managed to have a good time knowing full well that Rob truly wanted them to go all along. Rob was honored often during the week with stories and memories of him, and although I really do miss him, as did all the rest of the group, we all feel like he’ll always be with us with the countless great memories he left us with. Easily the funniest guy I’ve ever met, and a great person as well.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Sorry that Rob passed, bro. But also happy you all did it the right way.

      Looking forward to next week when my friends and I have our get together and celebrate all of our 50th birthdays, I will turn 50 next weekend. We will celebrate our friend Jim’s life who would have been 50 on July 14th. It’s going to be emotional – fun, sad, but good for all of us.

  44. wyoming85 says:

    Glad to hear you made a purse out of a sows ear Mike E!

    Got a chance to sit down and reminisce with some long lost friends the other day!

    Found out a bunch of mutual friends that had passed I didn’t’ know about! 😦

    But it was a good visit.

  45. wyoming85 says:

    Miami Dolphins ‏@MiamiDolphins 8m8 minutes ago
    An Impactful Encounter

    @cedjunior2 in his own words: http://oak.ctx.ly/r/3d97v

  46. stangerx says:

    Mike E — a cheers to Rob. Sounds like you guys have a real close knit extended group.

  47. Tim Knight says:

    Stanger, my friend Jim was a highly intelligent dude (lawyer, lol), great sense of humor and a great laugh. Infectious! We have a ton of great stories. Some of my friends knew him from when they were toddlers and some of us at the start of HS. We became a larger clan over the years. He’s the first of our of clan to pass on. 😦

    • stangerx says:

      Guess I just said that cause I remembered when my Mom passed. At her celebration everyone wanted to express their love of her to her son. I had like three stories set I told over and over. They were like script and I was glad I had them. I chose them beforehand as ones I thought best told what she was about.

      • Tim Knight says:

        We have a lot of stories and when we get together they pour out. From concerts and tripping to drunk and just downright silliness. LOL

      • stangerx says:

        LOL — you might want to edge to the high-brow ones…..unless the people you are talking to were tripping too.

  48. Tim Knight says:

    Just found out my good friend’s Mom passed away today. 😦

    • Tim Knight says:

      On Super Bowl Sunday’s she would make a turkey for sandwiches and amazing crumb cake. She was a wonderful woman. So sad right now. Alzheimer’s took her.

    • stangerx says:

      It’s tough……all you can do is be there as best you can.

  49. wyoming85 says:

    NFL ‏@NFL 16h16 hours ago
    Top 10 Players in 2015 (via @AdamSchein):

    10. @RSherman_25
    9. @RobGronkowski
    FULL: http://bit.ly/1MgsUpg

  50. Mike E. says:


    Sorry about your friends mom. The reality of mortality seems to be at an all time high for me right now. One of the kids from our group got engaged up in the mountains on Friday, and despite the fact that they have been going out for 2+ years, they were in no rush to get engaged, but the recent news that the future groom’s mom was diagnosed with stage 4 pancreatic cancer, they sped up the process so she could be there for it. The nice thing is that our group is really like one big family, and we all pull together tight for each other. I love those people, and I’m so glad I could be a part of that group.

  51. wyoming85 says:

    Miami Dolphins ‏@MiamiDolphins · 21m21 minutes ago
    “The sky is the limit for us.”

    @KSTiLLS in studio: http://oak.ctx.ly/r/3daek

  52. herdfan says:

    Tim so sorry to hear of the passing of your friend’s mother to Alzheimer’s. One of the cruelest diseases ever, IMO. Without knowing the circumstances, the truth is the disease takes people long before they actually leave this world. I hope the family finds comfort that their mother is no longer ‘lost’ in that horrible disease and is at peace.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      They don’t look much different to me

      I liked the unis the last few years
      I don’t like orange and green together
      I like the solid greens or whites or green and white or orange and white

  53. Try Pod says:

    I just read that 20 members of congress have stock in aircraft manufacturing defense-industry companies. Does that seem like a conflict of interest to anyone else?

    • Try Pod says:

      I don’t mind them owning stocks- my thought is they should not possess the stock while the have the ability to influence its value to their own benefit. But what do I know, I’m just a dumb moderate/centrist.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        It would be a conflict in most industries
        I think it s pretty common in politics

      • Try Pod says:

        It likely is. I read we are looking to replace the current stealth bomber, and have a $55bil contract on the table.

  54. The Flying Pig says:

    Morning Trypod

  55. wyoming85 says:

    Brown Sugar?

    The Flying Pig says:

    July 19, 2015 at 9:47 am

    Heading to the beach to make a little bacon

    Don’t worry I will be wearing sun screen

    • Try Pod says:

      I think we all kinda knew they were not “big city” folks from the beginning. It was quite obvious they were only in Miami because that’s where his job was. The second the season was over he was on his way to his lake house in Georgia. What’s news to me is the level to which he made the players despise him, if you know what I mean. Saban had to be the most powerful man in the setting; when players can tell him to go screw himself and he can’t stop them, he loses his sense of authority- that’s why Alabama is a perfect place for him. He is the BMOC there.

  56. stangerx says:

    After seeing this — Tim will want to enter a surfing competition in South Africa. 🙂

  57. olddolphan says:

    JUST BACK from another convention, this time in Baltimore. My streak of 4 conventions in 5 weekends is OVER! And it’s GREAT to be back in Tampa Bay.
    WAS truly saddened by the passing of the greatest defensive coordinator of all time, Bill Arnsparger!! The Don of Miami said it best: “If there’s a Hall of Fame for assistant coaches, Arnsparger should be the first man in it!” “Arns” was a truly innovative coach. Kind of the Sid Gillman of defense. YOU folks who don’t know much about Gillman should Google his name and read the Wichipedia history of the greatest offensive innovator this side of Paul Brown. –Arnsparger ran defensive allignments like No ONE before him. Players who played for him said they had NEVER seen anything like it. And talk about PREPARATION, Arnsparger, whose nickname was “one more reel” (of game film) was the best prepared coach in NFL history. NO ONE STUDIED MORE GAME FILM!! His work ethic rivaled, and may have EXCEEDED, the work ethic of Don Shula!! And his dedication “caught on” with his players. He did NOT win because he had extraordinary talent. He won because his unit was THE BEST PREPARED UNIT IN PRO FOOTBALL, PERIOD!!! The Shula/Arsparger teams were the BEST prepared, BEST motivated and BEST CONDITONED teams of 1972 and 1973. Put that team in the insane asylum known as the historic Orange Bowl and you’ve got an unbeatable football team, LITERALLY!! –From 1971 to 1974 the Miami Dolphins won 34 CONSECUTIVE HOME GAMES. – – I REPEAT, 34 CONSECUTIVE WINS IN THE HISTORIC ORANGE BOWL!!!!!
    HOW GREAT WAS THAT???????????
    Rest in peace, Bill Arnsparger. May your legend live forever!!

    • stangerx says:

      OD — thanks for that tribute to Arnsparger. He was a special one, I knew that but back in those days I don’t think I could appreciate what a difference he made.

  58. Ken says:

    Just a quick drive by to say hi during these doldrums. RIP Bill Arnsparger. He was no Tom Olivadotti.

  59. Ken says:

    My hot tub arrived yesterday. I feel much more relaxed today.

  60. Tim Knight says:

    Thanks, Herd. My friend’s Mom’s passing was unexpected. Based on what he told me about her consition I don’t think he thought she would be passing this soon.

  61. stangerx says:

    The truth emerges on the Saban bolt……almost makes me hate him less.

    The bottom line is that Saban’s wife, Terry, was ready for her husband to return to college football. She met directly with the Alabama A.D., who had come to Miami in the hopes of taking home a new head coach, while Mr. Saban was meeting with former Dolphins owner Wayne Huizenga about Saban’s future.

    “Terry and Moore hit it off right away,sensing a mutual interest. She served him lunch while the two talked about her husband. She made it clear to Moore that Saban was miserable in the NFL and dearly missed coaching in college. She also made it clear that she wanted out.”

    “In the NFL, the coach’s wife had no real role in the community. On a college campus — particularly at a place like Alabama — the coach’s wife was a figure of prominence, a queen bee.”

    “As Moore was leaving, Terry pulled him aside and told him they they had to find a way to get her husband on the plane to Tuscaloosa the next day.”

  62. wyoming85 says:

    By now the story of Miami Dolphins rookie Cedric Thompson helping a homeless man is somewhat old news. It first appeared on the internet two maybe three days ago. I had this tagged for a feel good Sunday morning article so screw it. Old news or not, it’s still a great story.


    • The Flying Pig says:

      In the way back at the ocean the grateful Great White yelled to the humans at the shore

      “Thanks humans, I will eat you last”

  63. D says:

    Saban is a control freak. College players for the most part have to do as instructed especially in a highly competitive program or the coach can pretty much destroy their chances getting their pay day in the NFL. In the NFL some of the players are thought to be more important than the coach and they are a lot less controllable. Saban left because he couldn’t handle that and his success as a coach depended highly on it. Spurrier is much the same way and failed just about as predictably.

    • Tim Knight says:

      He also couldn’t recruit the same way in the NFL but yes he couldn’t treat 30 year old players like kids either. Harbaugh was kind of the same way even though he had a very successful run in SF. One of his players Alex Boone said he’s a good coach but it got to the point where you wanted to punch him in the face.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I would think Harbaugh is a little more tolerable

        He seems kind of rah rah rah – go get em
        Saban is more like “fuck you, do what I say”

  64. Tim Knight says:

    Training Camp starts in 11 days. Just 14 practices until we go into a game week type practice schedule after the 1st PS game. This will be upon us before we know it.

  65. olddolphan says:

    ONE MORE NOTE on the passing of the incomparable defensive mastermind, Bill Arnsparger.–His 1972 defense was a major part of the one and only PERFECT SEASON. –His 1973 defense WAS EVEN BETTER, giving up only 150 points for the entire regular season, a 10.7 points per game average which is STILL A RECORD in the Super Bowl era!! – – When Artnsparger left to accept the head coaching job with the Giants, Miami’s defense suffered. When he eventually returned, his “Killer B’s” defense took Miami to TWO MORE SUPER BOWLS!! –Indeed, Bill Arnsparger was Miami’s defensive coordinator FOR ALL 5 OF MIAMI’S SUPER BOWL APPEARANCES!!

  66. The Flying Pig says:

    That shark/surfer video is crazy

    That guy is one lucky bastard

    No, not bc he escaped a shark attack unharmed

    Bc he surfs for a living

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I think I would have swapped Manning and Favre

      I think Manning might be #1
      I’m a little surprised how low he is in the list

      • Try Pod says:

        I don’t know- Montana wins because of rings I guess, I always thought Marino was better than elway, but I expect I have a bias, and elway was a more complete qb than Marino, because he could run effectively. Manning.. He piled up a lot of stats, but.. Your are saying you would choose him before all the other qbs for your team? He fits one type of offense in my estimation, the other three or 4 on the list ahead of him could work in other styles, perhaps?

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