dolphins 73By: Randy Campbell (OLD DOLFAN)


 After starting the 1973 season slowly, the 4-1 Miami Dolphins built up some serious momentum by defeating New England (44-23), the New York Jets (31-3) and the Cleveland Browns (17-9).  Meanwhile, the Buffalo Bills also had gotten off to a hot start by defeating the Patriots, Jets, Eagles and Colts.  A loss at San Diego was the only blemish on their 4-1 record.  The Buffalo Bills, one of the eight charter members of the American Football League, won the AFL Championship in both 1964 and 1965.  They were led by stars like QB Jack Kemp, Fullback Cookie Gilchrist and Linebacker Mike Stratton.  That 1965 title, however, is the last championship won by any major league Buffalo-area sports team.

The long 100-game rivalry between Buffalo and Miami has had some interesting twists and turns (currently, Miami leads 57-42-1).  The Dolphins played Buffalo twice during their inaugural season as an AFL expansion team.  The Bills slaughtered Miami that first year by scores of 58-24 and 29-0.  From 1967 through 1969 the two teams evenly split their six meetings.

Don Shula’s arrival in Miami in 1970 drastically changed the course of this increasingly intense rivalry.  In 1970, Shula’s young Dolphins crushed O. J. Simpson and his Bills team by scores of 33-14 and 45-7.  Beginning in 1971, Miami would win the next 18 games in this series!  Buffalo would go “0 for the ’70’s” versus the Dolphins as Miami ran off 20 CONSECUTIVE WINS over the frustrated Buffalo Bills and their equally frustrated fans!  This 20-game streak still stands as the longest of its kind in NFL history!  And every Buffalo fan KNOWS IT!!

On Oct. 22, 1972, the Miami Dolphins narrowly defeated Buffalo 24-23 in a nail-biter in the Orange Bowl.  A few weeks later, the Dolphins defeated the Bills 30-16 in Buffalo on their way to the NFL’s one and only Perfect Season!

This first 1973 meeting between these two teams took place in the historic Orange Bowl on a picture perfect 80 degree day.  It was, unquestionably, THE game of the day in the National Football League.

All eyes were on the most publicized player in the NFL.  By this time, Buffalo’s star running back, O. J. Simpson, had surpassed Joe Namath as the #1 star in the league.  In Buffalo’s opening day win over New England, Simpson rushed for an all-time record 250 yards in one game!  By the time Simpson rolled into the Orange Bowl he had already amassed 813 yards in just five games!  Simpson would go on to rush for 2003 yards in 1973, breaking Jim Brown’s old NFL record.  Although Simpson’s rushing records have since been broken, he remains the ONLY BACK IN NFL HISTORY to rush for over 2,000 yards in a 14-game regular season!

Miami’s defensive genius, coach Bill Arnsparger, believed the key to stopping Simpson was to “swarm him like a swarm of bees” so that he’d have no avenue of escape.  It was the finest form of gang tackling.

Simpson’s offensive linemen, known collectively as “The Electric Company” because electric companythey turned on “The Juice,” believed they had the strength and power to clear the way for Simpson’s assault on the NFL record books.  Linemen Reggie McKenzie, Mike Montler and Joe DeLamielleure believed they could control Miami’s defensive line and literally run the Dolphins right out of the Orange Bowl!  My buddy of over 40 years, Pasquale Fragnito, told me “that will happen when hell freezes over!”  How RIGHT he was!

Nearly 80,000 screaming Dolfans crammed the historic Orange Bowl to see a game that was hyped as if it was a Super Bowl!!  Emotions ran high.  Just before kickoff, the public address system played “the Miami Dolphins’ Fight Song.”  The place went absolutely nuts!!  Several banners hung from the upper deck.  One of them featured a doll of Simpson hanging from a hangman’s noose!  A fan behind me had one of those huge spongy hands with an extended MIDDLE finger saying “Buffalo is #1!!”  An unusually large contingent of Miami’s finest was present to maintain some semblance of order.


The game, essentially, would be over at halftime!  Starting from the Miami 25, Griese mixed passes to Jim Mandich and Paul Warfield with some tough running from Csonka and Morris.  From the 2, Griese found an open Jim Mandich for an easy touchdown!  The Orange Bowl erupted as the Dolphins took a 10-3 lead!

stanfillDefensive ends Bill Stanfill and Vern Den Herder continued to pursue Bills’ QB Joe Ferguson mercilessly.  Two sacks killed Buffalo’s next drive.  Griese maintained Miami’s momentum, driving his team 61 yards in seven plays down to the Buffalo 24.  Again, the confused Bills’ defense paid too much attention to Warfield while Jim Mandich ran down the seam in the zone wide open!  Griese’s perfect pass caught Mandich in stride for their second touchdown of the quarter!  The Dolphins had scored on three consecutive possessions to take a 17-3 lead.

Yet, again, the Dolphin defense stopped Simpson and the Bills, producing a 3-and-out.  Punter Spike Jones, a Georgia alum, kicked the ball away to a fellow Georgia alum, Miami’s Jake Scott.  Scott took the ball at his own 45 and bolted all the way to the Bills’ 33 yard line!  Mercury Morris scampered the final four yards of the drive and, unbelievably, Miami had a 24-3 lead as they trotted into the halftime locker room!  “If this had been a fight, they would have stopped it,” said the voice of the Dolphins, Rick Weaver.

The teams returned for the second half to a crowd that was less noisy and far less csonka1boisterous.  The Bills knew they absolutely had to get something going, and SOON!  But it was the Miami Dolphins who scored first in the second half.

 Griese and the coaching staff decided to emphasize the running game in the third quarter.  And Buffalo simply could not stop either Csonka or Morris in key situations.  Garo’s 47 yard field goal gave Miami an insurmountable 27-3 lead after three quarters.

Early in the final quarter, a bruised and battered O. J. Simpson was helped to the Buffalo sidelines.  He had gained only 55 yards.  Cat calls, hoots and various insults were shouted his way by celebrating Dolphin fans!  A meaningless 50 yard field goal by John Leypoldt made the final score 27-6, Miami.  The predicted shoot-out had ended in a blow-out!  The Miami Dolphins had taken complete control of the AFC East for the third consecutive season.

The statistics sheet told the story.  Buffalo had only 8 first downs to Miami’s 18.  The Bills rushed 32 times for ONLY 75 YARDS!!  Miami rushed for almost 190 yards plus another 127 yards passing.  The Bills completed only 6 of 18 passes for a paltry 60 yards.  However, Miami sacked Buffalo’s two quarterbacks NINE TIMES FOR 59 YARDS IN LOSSES!! Thus, Buffalo had 1 net yard passing and 76 total yards offense FOR THE WHOLE GAME!!

In the post game locker room, both Vern Den Herder (5 sacks) and Bill Stanfill (3 sacks) had HUGE smiles on their faces.  Defensive lineman Manny Fernandez said “Everything is fitting into place for us.  I don’t see any reason for us to lose another game!”

The 1973 Miami Dolphins were now 5-1.

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  1. wyoming85 says:

    Fins Win!
    Fins Win!

    Thanks again OD!!!!!!!!

  2. wyoming85 says:

    For the Draftnicks in the house! 🙂

    Luke Easterling ‏@LukeEasterling 8h8 hours ago
    ICYMI: my 275-player watch list for the 2016 #NFLDraft is now up at @draftbreakdown:

  3. olddolphan says:

    THANK YOU WYOMING!! – – And THANK YOU to all of you Dolfans who take the time to read this modest report concerning game #6 of “FOLLOWING PERFECTION!” –AN EXTRA tip of the hat is due to MISS GIGI, HERDFAN, and anyone else who helped with photos concerning this effort.
    MIAMI’s 20 game winning streak over Buffalo during the decade of the ’70’s almost defies belief. –And the fact that OJ Simpson was NEVER on a Bills’ team that defeated Miami – – EVER – – also defies belief. In 2003, Simpson ran over around and through some of the best defenses in the NFL on his way to destroying Jim Brown’s single season rushing record! – – Simpson was, by far, the #1 star in all of football. – – But Miami’s “No Name Defense” would have none of it!! The fact that Miami held Buffalo to 76 TOTAL YARDS OF OFFENSE IN THIS GAME says it all!! – – It is my firmly held belief that, for two seasons, the “No Name Defense” was the greatest defense in NFL history!!

  4. The Flying Pig says:

    I guess OJ Simpson thinks of this game as the most shameful moment in his life
    ….oh wait a sec, that might not be right

    Good write up as usual OD. I knew the Dolphins would win this one…lol

    Everytime I see Jack Kemp’s name I am reminded that he has had a strong post football political career. I think he was 2nd int he 1988 Republican primary to George Bush Sr.

    Earl Morral also had a strong So Fla political career as I recall as well

    I don’t think football players do that so much anymore,,,I can;t think of one recently that has been successful in politics

  5. The Flying Pig says:

    Wasn’t Marty Shcottenheimer a LB on this Buffalo team?

  6. Tim Knight says:

    1 yard passing and 76 total for the game. LOL

    Now that’s dominance. Great stuff once again, OD.

  7. Tim Knight says:

    I always wondered why those Dolphin defenses were called the ‘No Name Defense’. They had plenty of stars on it and as a kid I would see posters of Manny Fernandez, Nick Buoniconti, Jake Scott, Dick Anderson etc.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      we still think of some of those guys as the greatest to ever play the position for the Dolphins

      But I think it was just the mentality
      the NFl was not in the spotlight is is now
      and Defensive players were not stars

      and they were a contrast to the 70s steelers who had players like Mean Joe Green making Coke commercials

      I’m not sure why the Steelers defensive players were stars and Dolphins were not, albeit I think Green, Lambert and Hamm were better than anyone on the Dolphins

      but still most of the guys you mentioned are borderline HOFers, they probably will never get into the HOF, but some of that is just that they are not well known names like the Steelers were

      Those defense were amazing though
      and maybe better than the Steel Curtain ever was

      • Tim Knight says:

        In 1976, the Steel Curtain allowed just 28 points in their last 9 games. That’s insane. LOL

  8. Ken says:

    Dolphins win! Yeah! Great job OD. And sorry for not being on yesterday but great job Manitoba.

  9. son of a son of a shula says:

    It wasn’t that there were no-names on the D necessarily but it was a perception. Tom Landry is the one who coined the name saying in an interview something to the effect that Miami had a bunch of no names on their Defense and it stuck.

  10. Al in MIA says:

    Saw this today and couldn’t help but think of some of us on here though I was more connected to the early 90s .. LOL

    • Tim Knight says:

      Do you mean they didn’t engage in sacrifices and turn the world into pure evil? LOL

      Metal was and still is about energy and fun, not what a bunch of ignorant pinheads tried to make it out to be. Now there are extreme metal bands that fit the description of Satanists and evil but that wasn’t mainstream metal. But there is evil in all walks of life including religious types. 😉

  11. Al in MIA says:


  12. Al in MIA says:

    Interesting comments from Jimmy in reference to his own experiences.
    I’m pretty sure he’s talking about Dan Marino in some sense when talking about having to make moves that are unpopular.
    He also admits that he had too much on his plate in Miami handling personnel and coaching duties.

  13. wyoming85 says:

    Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 9m9 minutes ago
    Chiefs LB Justin Houston’s new 6-year, $101 million deal also is second richest deal in NFL history behind only Ndamukong Suh’s.

  14. D says:

    We know these names, because its the all names defense now, especially to us as Dolphins fans. None of those guys were marquee names though until the first of their superbowl seasons, by time they got the name they were already recognized as a good unit.

    • Tim Knight says:

      That means we give up. LOL

    • Jahndoh30 says:

      Your daily dose of right winged propaganda.

      We stand for embracing civil rights, and protecting minority classes. You might stand for nothing, or see protecting minority classes as being spineless, but I submit that’s antithetical to exactly what the constitution and declaration of independence says.

  15. stangerx says:

    “After starting the 1973 season slowly, the 4-1 Miami Dolphins built up some serious momentum”……man OD can only imagine having a team where going 1-1 to start means slowly.

    Awesome insight and feel for then as always.

  16. stangerx says:

    It had already been reported Will Allen was in trouble, but it has gotten even worse.
    Former Miami Dolphins cornerback Will Allen committed 23 federal felonies and faces decades in prison, according to an indictment issued last week by the U.S. Attorney in Massachusetts.

    Already facing federal civil charges, Allen, 36, was arrested last month on criminal charges of defrauding investors. The indictment seeks to ring up Allen on 12 counts of wire fraud, six counts of aggravated identity theft, one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud and four counts of illegal monetary transactions.

    If convicted, Allen faces up to 20 years on each charge of wire fraud and shorter sentences for the other felonies.

    The FBI says most of the fraudulent proceeds went to Allen.

  17. Tim Knight says:

    Stanger, gambling debts make sense. Another poor choice.

  18. stangerx says:

    “How can a 22-year-old first-round draft pick afford a 51-carat platinum and diamond bracelet valued at $120,000, a 13-carat bracelet worth $11,000, a gold Rolex watch worth $9,000 and two diamond earrings worth $10,000? Not to mention a new Mercedes-Benz, the keys of which were also taken?”

    That the New York Times on Will Allen getting robbed at gunpoint outside his apartment at 4:40 a.m. by masked men before he’d even signed his draft contract. Seems he was pushing the envelope from the start.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I don’t get paying that kind of money for jewelry. Even if I had the money I wouldn’t spend it on that kind of stuff.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I don’t even own a watch
        not even a cheap one

        I think some guys think it attracts women to them
        it does…whores…

  19. Tim Knight says:

    LOL @ Piggy

    I’ve never been a watch wearer and I’ve never been into bling.

  20. Rockphin says:

    SMH @ Piggy…whores? That is demeanin. LOL

    I happen to where a very understated, very expensive watch. Tag

    I wear it more for business than to impress women (the future ex saved for over a year to buy it for me) but the business circles I run in it always seems to be a subject of conversation around the conference table.

  21. Rockphin says:

    The watches we are wearing not MY watch nessesserily.

  22. CavalierKong says:

    I have me a pretty sweet Dolphins watch that the wife bought for me. Damn thing always stops working in December.

  23. herdfan says:

    Sorry guys, I meant to add the link to the box scores for the game to the end of the article and I forgot when I got home yesterday. I just added it. This week has been a prime example of Murphy’s Law in action.

  24. The Flying Pig says:

    I generally like watches
    I’m just not huge on jewlery

    And what we are talking about is nowhere near what some athletes are doing which is just showy and intended to imply that they will make it rain…lol

  25. The Flying Pig says:

    lol @ Kong

  26. olddolphan says:

    HERDFAN: AGAIN, thanks for all your help, including the box scores. These numbers strongly suggest that the 1973 Dolphins had the best defense, statistically, in the Super Bowl era. Miami yielded only 150 points in the 14 game regular season (10.7 points per game). And that 14-game schedule included Dallas at Dallas, Pittsburgh in the Orange Bowl and Oakland at Oakland and San Francisco in the Orange Bowl. While some have challenged Miami’s schedule during the ’72 Perfect Season, NO ONE has challenged Miami’s out of division schedule in the 1973 season.

    • herdfan says:

      No problem…I’ve enjoyed reading your articles and now I’m enjoying looking at all the old pics out there in cyberspace and finding some to add to your vivid retelling of the games.

  27. manitobafinfan says:

    Well Done as usual OD… Love the way history comes alive..

    Ken: Thanks for the belated kudos..

    Now i gotta poop scoop, cut grass, trim the hedges before it rains and make supper..


  28. olddolphan says:

    One last note on this particular Bills # Dolphins game. Miami absolutely dominated this game despite the fact that the Dolphins had FIVE TURNOVERS IN THIS GAME!!!!! (Buffalo had only two). One of Miami’s giveaways occurred early in the first quarter. It set up Leypoldt’s 11-yard FG, which was Buffalo’s ONLY score until later in the 4th quarter. WHAT A DEFENSE!!
    Heading out to Baltimore VERY early tomorrow for another convention. Talk to you guys on Sunday.

  29. The Flying Pig says:

  30. wyoming85 says:

    Jahn I hope you know I’m just being an ASS!

    But I will Talk to anyone one the “Minority Issue”

    Just remember I work in the construction field that has ALL minorities giving me example every day of their real intentions!

    Not the TV version!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  31. wyoming85 says:

    Oh and that wasn’t directed at you Jahn!
    It was for all the politicians out there!

  32. wyoming85 says:

    Maybe I should have said the ” Leave me the fuck alone I didn’t ask for your help wing”

  33. wyoming85 says:

    Later Haters!

  34. Tim Knight says:

    Wyo, I think some people just need a declaration of pure civil rights sometimes. Like Jahn and myself. Because I sometimes have my doubts too. Let the humor be known and don’t make it look like a mockery of a pretty cool agenda to liberate people. Other than that are we suppose to support some sort of Fascism as long as wink-wink and buddy-buddy is all cool? When does that nonsense end?

    For the record, absolute dissension towards your world view is Fascism when you become defensive. What else could it be? LOL

  35. olddolphan says:

    UP AND AT ‘EM!! It’s 4:27 AM and I’m heading out the door to the airport!! —PIGGY, you said for me to “have fun” in Baltimore a few spaces up the page. ACTUALLY, I’m the President of F.U.N.!! – – I’ll explain when I get back.
    NOW get your lazy asses out of bed and get to WORK!!

  36. wyoming85 says:

    I wasn’t being defensive! I was drunk!!!!!!!!!

    It did sound a little defensive this morning!

    For whatever it’s worth I will always find humor in someone telling me what to do to defend someone else’s civil rights!

    I love Irony 😉

  37. The Flying Pig says:

    Morning everyone
    Its almost Friday!

  38. The Flying Pig says:

    Dez Bryant and Demaryius Thomas signed some big big contracts
    WRs are getting expensive!!!

    • Tim Knight says:

      That’s why I love where we’re at at WR. I agree with you on the Samurai, you need to keep adding good talent at the position so you don’t have to rely on paying a WR that kind of money. There are plenty of good WRs if you target them.

  39. Tim Knight says:

    Piggy, if we all porked forever not much else would get done but lots of people would be having fun. 🙂

  40. Tim Knight says:

    Sorry but I found this funny.

    Omar Kelly ‏@OmarKelly 25m25 minutes ago
    Fixing our health care system will spark America’s financial resurgence IMO. Those fighting against it should be viewed as communists.

    • wyoming85 says:


    • stangerx says:

      Why am I not surprised that Omar’s all-knowingness extends beyond his area of supposed expertise?

      Guess he can’t tag on “You aren’t in the offices of the Senate Health Care Committee every day like I am” on to that.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      he should stay out of politics

      If he wants to share his opinion, he should create a different twitter account “thebraided coconut@thebraidedcoconut”…lol
      but he should not do this stuff as Omar Kelly IMO
      it would probably turn off some of his regular followers
      its already takes a ton of effort to ignore politics on twitter – people can;t resist forcing it into every situation

      I wonder what he means by “fixing healthcare”

      its really an innocuous statement that should not offend anyone when you think about it
      b/c he does not say how to fix healthcare
      and everyone should want it to run right

      we just all have different philosophies on how that is done

      personally I think having a public option would be good
      sure it would be a tax burden, but it would put more money in individuals pockets b/c they wouldn’t have to pay for it
      and those kind of things would be beneficial financially IMO
      but there is nothing currently in place for a public option

  41. stangerx says:

    According to Evan Mathis: “Exactly what my options are aren’t as clear as they will be in a week or two. I haven’t missed anything.There’s no rush at all.”

    Dude is playing it cool and at this point don’t blame him. He really has nothing to lose by waiting, least till camp starts…….and maybe not till after (a key injury could make his bank).

  42. The Flying Pig says:

  43. Tim Knight says:

    I posted that tweet from Omar on healthcare because I have no idea what he meant by any of it? Financial resurgence? If you fight it you’re a communist? Does he even know what he’s talking about? LOL

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I think he is just saying bombastic things to get a reaction at this point

      we know he does it with sports

      but I guess he is willing to do it about politics too like Anne Coulter or something

  44. Rockphin says:

    I am starting to think there should be some sort of breathalyzer attachment for this blog. A lot of drunk posting goes on.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      You mean you have to be above a certain level to post?

      I agree

      drunk posts are the best!

      • stangerx says:

        LOL — would hate to see the day any of us have to blow in a tube in order to post……..that would be the end of the place. 🙂

  45. The Flying Pig says:

    What did you guys think of Caitlyn Jenner getting the courage award last night from ESPN?

    • Tim Knight says:

      Don’t really care but I do think the sensationalism is going to another level where every step she takes will be discussed. Kind of like Kim Kardashian being on the cover of RSM. When will it end?

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I’m really annoyed by the Kardashian clan in general
        and I’m skeptical about Jenner b/c of her affiliation with those attention whores who I think lack any substance

        But I think its ESPN choice to go with Jenner if they want to and I guess I can try to look at Jenner without some of the disdain I have for the Kardashians….I actually tried and it does not work…lol

        I have a bigger problem with some of the reactions than ESPN’s choice. I think people suggesting its a product of liberal media or whatever is idiot speak. Whether you accept people like Jenner or not is not a all a political issue, its a cultural issue. People who insist on inserting politics into everything usually lack political sophistication and are generally assholes. Part of my problem with contemporary politics is the inability of some people to understand the purpose of legislation and the distinction between the world around us and whether something is the topic of legislative debate or not. Some people just group whatever they don’t like into opposing political; points of views – and its really hurts serious political debate IMO.

    • Try Pod says:

      ESPN has awards?!

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I honestly think the ESPYS are a dumb concept to begin with

        They kinda represent everything I hate about ESPN. I just want sports to be about the games and the winning and the losing if games not a bunch of other stuff

      • Tim Knight says:

        Yes they’re Chris Berman turds.

  46. naplesfan2010 says:

    Hey all you rabid Dolphins Fans — just 2 weeks till TC and I can hardly wait.
    Long time no see … I took some time off to celebrate my 38th wedding anniversary. What a great life it’s been!!!

    I thank all of you who gave me ideas about what to do and see in Montreal. I did almost all of it, except the 24/7 strip clubs.

    I did love the U2 concert. The music and singing were awesome, but the technology of the show was simply spectacular.

    My wife thoroughly enjoyed the whole time we were there. We walked over 20 miles a day looking at old buildings and art galleries and drinking fine French wine.

    The weather was cool and crisp and a perfectly refreshing break from 90 degrees and 90% humidity down here on the beach.

    Go Dolphins !!

    • Try Pod says:

      38 yrs? Congratulations!

    • stangerx says:

      That’s awesome Naples. 38-years is something in this day and age.

      What did you like most in Montreal. Have thought about taking a get out of the hot Florida summer trip there some time. Was thinking of combining with Quebec City.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Congrats on 38 years of marriage. So how many rude French Canadians did you run into? LOL

    • The Flying Pig says:

      congratulations on 38 years

      I can’t even make 38 weeks with a lady….lol

  47. bat says:

    Piggy … A complete travesty. Passing over a young girl fighting cancer and a double amputee veteran to honor that walking freak show. Everything about Jenners fabulous metamorphosis has been planned and calculated to maximize publicity and attention. … Disgraceful, but I’d expect nothing less from ABC/ESPN.

  48. Tim Knight says:

    Piggy, I agree with your 11:53 post. I recently joined Facebook to keep in touch with some old friends I recently re-connected with and it’s amazing how many people interject politics into every facet of life. It’s fucking annoying. Live your life and stop drawing lines in the sand. It’s pretty pathetic.

    So if you support Caitlyn Jenner you vote Democratic and if you don’t you vote Republican? Can there be anything more retarded than that? LOL

    • The Flying Pig says:

      People don;t really like to think things through anymore

      BTW – I blame the two party system (even though its not a formal system)
      Two parties set up to oppose one another on issues is an advesarial process which is bound to cause people to attack the other side, instead of encouraging vision and problem solving….but I am like a broken record on this anti two party system stuff

      • Tim Knight says:

        Totally agree. The blue and red stats were purposely created to do just that. We’re a fucking country, way to go in dividing us. Asinine!

  49. bat says:

    Piggy ..Not sure ..Didn’t watch the whole crapfest ..My point is that those two were certainly more worthy of a “courage” award than a pathetic aging fop trying to capitalize on his deviations.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I saw a speech from Devon Still on behalf of his daughter and one from an army veteran who lost her arm in the “highlights”

      I think ESPN gives out multiple “non-sports” awards, so I think other people received awarsds

      I don;t have a problem with the underlying substance of what is going on with Caitlyn – but I do agree with you about that family. They calculate everything for attention an they have thrived finacially on it. I noticed a few people calling Jenner’s speech her first public appearance. Which is true but overlooks the fact that we are only talking about since June and that in the time that passed which is probably less than a month, a “private”interview was very publicly broadcast and she did a Vanity Fair cover. So Catilyn has definately not been hiding from the spotlight which is what first public appearance infers

  50. Tim Knight says:

    I don’t think I’ve ever watched the ESPYS. Maybe saw clips of it, but I don’t think I ever sat down and said hey the ESPYS are on. Don’t care who wins what.

  51. stangerx says:

    bat — think all you have to know about to figure out why they did is that if those more deserving of the award got it we wouldn’t be talking about it right now. I’m sure they got a ratings boost.

  52. bat says:

    Tim … I don’t care about the idiotic Espys either. I just loathe the idea of honoring a sideshow attraction as “courageous” ..Couldn’t they find a fire eater, a lizard man or a three headed baby to give it to ? …

  53. naplesfan2010 says:

    The people in Montreal were 99% excellent. Very friendly, helpful, fun to talk to, and stylin all night long!! The only fat people we saw was this one grumpy couple from Mississippi in a bistro insulting the croissants and whining about not finding any fast food joints.

    We did meet one 20-something female who was that I-am-young-and-you-are-not kind of snooty, but hey I AM old sooo … wtf can I say?

    I had the last laugh on her though, since my wife was 100 times better looking when she was that age and is STILL better looking today than that chunky hipster poseur … to use the French spelling.

    • The Flying Pig says:


      I might be taking a weekend trip to Montreal this summer
      its really not a long drive from NYC

    • stangerx says:

      Naples — don’t think you have to check the passport to figure out what many good-looking girls in their early-to-mid twenties are like. And those are the ones who can’t deal with what comes down the road.

  54. bat says:

    Piggy … I was thinking of Lauren Hill, not Devon Still.

  55. The Flying Pig says:

    I would not have known the ESPYs were on unless I starting hearing about it on twitter
    I don’t really liek any award shows
    but the ESPYs has gotta to be the worst one

  56. bat says:

    Piggy … I think the award including the word “courage” is what sticks in my craw. Nothing courageous about it. How has he been hurt or diminished by revealing his oddity? If anything it has been nothing but a boon to him. Had he done it while he was at the height of his popularity and competing regularly, that would have been courageous. This is just pathetic.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      If he did it in the 70s
      before he was part of than Kardashian clan,
      and did not make sure the world new he was doing it over the last month
      I think I would have so much more respect for him

      I just don;t trust that family

      maybe by courage they mean his nightly removal of duck tape from his tucked areas?

  57. Tim Knight says:

    LMAO!!!! @ he sneezes to cut his steak

  58. The Flying Pig says:

    Right now I’m into driving wherever b/c I am loving my car

    I’m single but not so young

  59. Tim Knight says:

    I heard French girls like to say oui a lot.

  60. Tim Knight says:

    Piggy, I get it. Take the top off and go for a nice summer drive. You should dress like this so nobody notices you. LOL

    • Tim Knight says:

      It’s all about dense populations.

    • The Flying Pig says:


      I have no reason to question that Lubbock Texas is probably as easier drive than NYC…lol

      But I drove to work (midtown NYC) from my apt (Upper East Side NYC) today and it wasn;t really a bad drive

      I think NYC is a difficult drive when you are dealing with bridges and tunnels
      A lot of people commute some pretty far distances too

  61. The Flying Pig says:

    I basically only drive in Manhattan on Thursdays with the exception of looking for parking)
    So I’m not an authority

    There is usually traffic
    but sometimes
    the flow of some streets is not so bad

    • Tim Knight says:

      I’ve driven in the city when it’s not too bad. Some of the main highways in the other boros are worse than Manhattan.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        The Grand Central and the LIE can be crazy when the other highways intersect with them

        One of the worst drives can be to LaGuardia or JFK

  62. Tim Knight says:

    The Cross Bronx Expressway is the worst road in the world. You’ll be driving and all of a sudden there’s in axle in your lane. All it takes is for one car to stall and the whole thing stops. It’s the road from hell. LOL

  63. Rockphin says:

    I had to come home to meet the air conditioning guy at my house so I’m sitting here watching reruns of hard knocks Miami and Les Brown’s girlfriend was smoking hot

  64. D says:

    Im with Bat on this one too. Something someone does for themselves, to the sex they feel they identify with, to me is not courage. Courage, the kind that through competitive comparison should win an award should really have done something big and shown courage sacrificing for others.

    Jenner didn’t change himself for the betterment of others, he changed himself for him. He wanted to look like the woman he felt like he was (though still keeping the sausage so he can still please women…wtf) and accomplished that. He never was going to feel the danger of OMG i might die for this decision, and even more so wasn’t risking death or suffering for others. He did it and knew he was going to be welcomed with open arms by a society that feels obligated and in some ways forced to do so. Hell he already had a fucking reality show lined up ensuring he would also be financially secure and prosperous in doing so. There was nothing to fear so there is no courage necessary to make that decision.

    I really dont care, all awards shows like this are bullshit, they are political and the selections are made by pompous asshats who believe they know best for the public. Still i feel its a slap in the face to a bunch of other potential candidates who could easily been considered deserving for this award.

  65. D says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    July 16, 2015 at 1:09 pm
    I basically only drive in Manhattan on Thursdays with the exception of looking for parking)
    So I’m not an authority

    There is usually traffic
    but sometimes
    the flow of some streets is not so bad
    When i first read it i though you had said you drive into Manhattan on Thursdays with an erection…..

    TBH, until i realized otherwise i was really anxious to see what the rest of the post said, now not so much….traffic is boring. Can you make up on the fly what you would have said if it had been erection…

  66. Tim Knight says:

    When Piggy gets pulled over for indecent exposure he explains it’s simply his parking package.

  67. Ken says:

    What’s up FUers and F Bruce Jenner and his dumb award. And he is Bruce Jenner. That is who he is no matter what mutiliation he has done to his body. I don’t care if some one is gay or not but I still don’t get the transgender thing and I don’t get how what Jenner did was all that courageous. To me it seemed just like some spoiled, confused adult who had enough money to have a partial sex change operation.

  68. Ken says:

    Speaking of driving issues. The other day in West Haven Connecticut on I-95 which is the same road as the cross bronx that Tim described. This guy stops his car in the middle of the road and sits on the hood – Nude. Stopping traffic in both directions. Talk about a parking package.

  69. The Flying Pig says:


    Driving with erections is Tuesday not Thursday
    I feel stupid having to point his out to you…
    I thought everyone knew that

  70. naplesfan2010 says:

    stangerx says:
    July 16, 2015 at 12:42 pm

    Naples — don’t think you have to check the passport to figure out what many good-looking girls in their early-to-mid twenties are like. And those are the ones who can’t deal with what comes down the road.
    Honestly Stanger I have read that four times and I still do not understand what you are telling me.
    When in Montreal, I became aware of how chic everyone and everything is there. (Of course I am used to the Ultra Conservative and / or geriatric set here in Naples.) So I just thought I would pass along the tip to Piggy that there would be lots of potential action for him there. I have not been in the dating scene for ahem 39 years, so i don’t really know anything about it.

    • Ken says:

      Congratulations on 38 years. I wouldn’t have thought you were 38 years old not to mentioned married for 38 years.

    • stangerx says:

      Naples — I just meant that most good looking girls that age are full of themselves cause guys of all ages (least the vultures) kiss their butts…….doesn’t matter where they are from.

  71. naplesfan2010 says:

    Ken hint the Beatles wrote a song about me this year.
    Tim F U bro

  72. naplesfan2010 says:

    My uncle Paul who is the fourth smartest man in history, just sent me this:

    The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

  73. naplesfan2010 says:

    well if you have to ask, then you must not be …. n/m

  74. The Flying Pig says:

    I don’t understand how wearing pants or not affects traffic

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      I know, right? I mean they said it was a guy not a girl, right?
      So why would anybody even give it a second glance and
      risk permanent trauma on top of the nausea?

  75. naplesfan2010 says:

    The 3 guys ahead of my Uncle Paul are Sir Isaac Newton, Ralph W. Emerson, and Kate Upton’s photographer.

  76. naplesfan2010 says:


    Girls are mean. Everybody knows that. You just have to learn how to work with that. It’s like nurturing gators.

  77. manitobafinfan says:

    Fox Sports Pre Season Power Rankings have us at 8.. Bring the respect Bitches…

  78. herdfan says:

    naplesfan2010 says:
    July 16, 2015 at 4:43 pm (Edit)


    Girls are mean. Everybody knows that. You just have to learn how to work with that. It’s like nurturing gators.

    What??? Not all girls are mean!!! Why I’ll kick your ass for that! 🙂

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