By: Randy Campbell (OLD DOLFAN)

dolphins 73

 GAME 11; Miami @ Dallas, Nov. 22, 1973 (Thursday)

 The NFL schedule maker arranged a real feast for football fans on Thanksgiving Day, Nov. 22, 1973. The defending Super Bowl VII champion Miami Dolphins were sent to Texas Stadium to play the Cowboys, who defeated Miami in Super Bowl VI. Before the game started, a moment of silence was observed to acknowledge the 10th anniversary of the death of President John F. Kennedy in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963.

The Dallas Cowboys were the NFL’s first modern era expansion team. In the late 1950’s, Lamar Hunt was rebuffed in his efforts to bring NFL football to Dallas. Washington Redskins owner George Preston Marshall enjoyed his status as the only professional football representative of the southern states. Repeatedly, Marshall blocked any potential applicant from getting a franchise in the deep south. So Hunt, and a group of extremely wealthy businessmen, formed the rival American Football League. It was announced that TWO AFL franchises would be located in Texas (the Dallas Texans, owned by Lamar Hunt, and Bud Adam’s Houston Oilers), beginning in 1960.

Two prominent Texas residents, Clint Murchison, Jr., and Bedford Wynne, applied for an NFL franchise for Dallas. Sensing opposition from the Redskins, Murchison and Wynne purchased the rights to the Redskins fight song, “Hail to the Redskins!” They informed Redskins’ management they would REFUSE PERMISSION for Washington to play the song at Redskins’ games unless Marshall supported the new Dallas NFL application. Marshall relented and, belatedly, Dallas was awarded an NFL franchise in 1960.

This franchise initially was known as the Dallas Steers and, then, the Dallas Rangers. Soon, the nickname was changed to Cowboys. The ownership group hired Texas (Tex) Schramm as general manager, Gil Brandt as director of player personnel and Tom Landry, formerly defensive coordinator of the New York Giants, as their head coach. Both Schramm and Landry have since been inducted into the NFL Hall of Fame.

By the end of 1971, the Dallas Cowboys were among the very best franchises in the National Football League. They narrowly lost Super Bowl V to the Baltimore Colts (who were quarterbacked to victory by back-up QB Earl Morrall, who replaced an injured Johnny Unitas in that game’s second quarter). Then, at Super Bowl VI, they easily defeated the Dolphins. By 1973, the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders had achieved iconic status. And the football team had become “America’s Team.”

Dallas was riding high as they came into this Thanksgiving Day showdown against Miami. In succession, they had crushed the Bengals (38-10), the Giants (23-10) and the Eagles (31-10). Quarterback Roger Staubach and his teammates were brimming with confidence. And why not? A total of FIVE future Hall of Famers were on this team!

But NO TEAM in the NFL was playing as well as the Miami Dolphins. Miami had won 8 consecutive games and 25 of their last 26 contests. Miami’s last two shutout destructions of Baltimore (44-0) and Buffalo (17-0) had observers saying “This may be the best defense in NFL history!”

Head coach Don Shula stressed to his team the importance of winning this game. A victory over the Cowboys would maintain Miami’s edge in the race for home field advantage in the AFC. While many called Dallas “America’s Team,” Shula wanted his team to be known as “America’s BEST Team.” He believed the Dolphins would prove it on the football field.

The players, for their part, also thought they had something to prove. Most of them were on the Super Bowl VI team that was drubbed by Dallas. There was this matter of pride. Their pride had carried them through the NFL’s one and only Perfect Season in 1972. This same pride would help them to prove they were the BEST team in 1973. To achieve this, they HAD to defeat Dallas in this nationally televised Thanksgiving Day game.

Csonka 1st QMiami had gotten off to a very fast start in their last two shutout victories. All-Pro safety Jake Scott made sure of a third straight Dolphins’ fast start when he intercepted Staubach’s first pass at the Dallas 38 and returned it to the Cowboys’ nine yard line! A Dallas penalty moved the ball inside the five. Two Csonka runs got the ball to the one. From there, Csonka bulled his way into the Cowboys’ end zone putting Miami ahead 7-0.

Morris 1st Q

Miami’s “No-Name” defense stuffed Dallas on their second possession. Marv Bateman’s punt backed the Dolphins up to the Miami 32. From there, Mercury Morris sprinted for a 12 yard gain. Two plays later Griese went back to pass. No one was open, so Griese scrambled for 21 yards for a first down at the Dallas 45.


The time was ripe for one future Hall of Famer, Paul Warfield, to test another future Hall of Famer, Dallas cornerback Mel Renfro. Griese and Warfield faked a quick-out sideline pattern. Renfro bit. Griese’s downfield pass was right on the money. Warfield left Renfro in his dust as he scored a 45 yard touchdown, putting Miami ahead 14-0 at the end of the first quarter.

Roger Staubach was determined to get Dallas right back in this game. He guided a Dallas drive that started from their 17 yard line.  Tough running by Walt Garrison and Calvin Hill got the Cowboys moving. Passes to Hill and Drew Pearson kept the drive alive. On fourth down and three yards to go from the Miami five, Landry decided to forego a short field goal. He told Staubach to go for it! Cowboy fans stood and applauded!

Miami appeared to stack the defense toward the middle of the field. Seeing this, Staubach checked-off to a Calvin Hill run around right end. Right after the audible, Lloyd Mumphord and Dick Anderson shifted to the exact area the run was designed to go. They occupied Dallas’ blockers, giving Jake Scott a clean shot at Hill. Scott crushed Hill, forcing him out of bounds for a SEVEN YARD LOSS!!  You could hear a pin drop as the Dolphins jogged off the field with a 14-0 halftime lead at Texas Stadium!


A scoreless third quarter was dominated by the two defenses. A desperate Dallas team finally mounted a successful drive in the fourth quarter. The long 94-yard drive ended when Walt Garrison scored on a one yard run, narrowing the gap to 14-7.

With 8:41 left on the clock Griese and the Dolphins offense went to work. First down followed first down. The clock kept running. With less than one minute left, Miami had the ball at the Dallas one yard line. They COULD have scored again. But head coach Don Shula let the clock run out. The Dolphins had defeated the Dallas Cowboys.

The star of the game, Jake Scott, celebrated in the post game locker room. Head coach Don Shula was also smiling. His running offense had run the ball 41 times for an average of 4 yards per carry (even with a couple of Griese kneel downs at the end.) Griese was 6 for 10 for 103 yards passing, including a key touchdown to Warfield. Once again, Griese was not sacked in this entire game. In fact, Griese had only been sacked 8 times in Miami’s first 11 games!!

Next up: a Monday Night Football date in the historic Orange Bowl with another NFL heavyweight, the talented Pittsburgh Steelers.

The 1973 Miami Dolphins were now 10-1.

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  1. wyoming85 says:

    Miami Dolphins Cheer ‏@MDCheer 1h1 hour ago
    Last year, Brianne took April of our 2015 swimsuit calendar. Find out tomorrow who Miss April 2016 will be!

  2. The Flying Pig says:

    I think PFF was saying those numbers over 8 are good numbers

  3. getterdone says:

    Andrew Abramson ✔ @AbramsonPBP
    Confirmed that Louis Delmas is out for the season. So what does that mean for the #Dolphins?
    Means we get a FS 2″ taller @ 210lb & almost 5 years younger.

    #GoAikens #35

  4. The Flying Pig says:

    I didn;t even know you can disable playback on other sites
    Why would anyone do that on youtube

  5. Tim Knight says:

    This is painting of Mike as a kid riding his pet dinosaur. Well done for so long ago. LOL

  6. Try Pod says:

    My wife did something silly recently, and before I could do myself, I looked at her and said, “ headless children trying on hats”. For some reason, she didn’t take you kindly to it.

  7. getterdone says:

    WOW, Miss April makes me hungry for some PIE!

  8. Tim Knight says:

    I believe Try posting links has put him in the “headless children trying on hats” category. LOL

  9. The Flying Pig says:

    Mike E’s first stereo

  10. D says:

    Try Pod says:
    August 19, 2015 at 1:38 pm
    My wife did something silly recently, and before I could do myself, I looked at her and said, “ headless children trying on hats”. For some reason, she didn’t take you kindly to it.
    Cant remember what it was about but the other day my wife was talking about something where you should be careful what ya as for cause ya might get more than i=you expected….and i quipped back “like a Rex Ryan foot massage” lol….. Luckily she is aware of his fetish, so i didnt have to explain further lol.

  11. The Flying Pig says:

    Omar probably thinks Red Fox plays on our OL

  12. D says:

    That kid is fucking 6’5 and 400lbs, there are clips of him running and its literally like someone throwing a bowling ball right down the middle of the pins….kids flying to the right and left of him and he plows through, its quite comical and a bit scary lol. Id be terrified as a parent of a kid on the opposing team.

  13. getterdone says:

    Remember Ali Larter famous for the ‘whipped cream bikini’ in Varsity Blues? 😛

  14. Tim Knight says:

    That big kid could seriously hurt some smaller kids.

    • stangerx says:

      He’s like the Fridge revisited. His future at the next level is probably at another position though except for goal line.

      Something to be said for being bigger. Had a game against a college team with my men’s club (and I for instance was like 30 lbs bigger than back in school). At one point somebody said…..yeah they are pretty fast but we can just run straight through all those little kids….why try to go around them? Exactly what we did, and it worked just fine.

  15. getterdone says:

    Adam Beasley @AdamHBeasley
    Bumped into an official who was working today’s practice at my hotel. Asked him if the field was bad. He said, “No. Freak injuries.”

    • Tim Knight says:

      It happens every day all across the league.

      • getterdone says:

        We’ll be fine….Delmas was getting torched deep a lil bit in camp as it was. I don’t think he has the knees for this game.
        He’ll be wonderful mentoring from the sidelines and locker room.

  16. The Flying Pig says:

    People were saying the grass was wet and uncut and may lead to injuries
    It is probably just freak injuries though

  17. Tim Knight says:

    GD, I’m not worried about the team because I like Aikens and Thomas and think they’ll prove to be good players. I’m bummed for Delmas, he’s a good dude and worked realyl hard to get back. But you’re right he’ll still be a good influence for the young guys. His career is likely over. Same knee twice in back to back years?

  18. D says:

    That kid with the right training would be a friggin sick NT, clogs up 0 and 1 holes at same time and his height would be make the QB have to step left or right (into the path of the DE), just to have a clear throwing lane. He could still run the ball occasionally like they are potentially going to do with Mitchell, but either way, its almost disturbing to see him in that still fram shot running at that tiny little guy, number 3. That kid’s parents probably had a hold your breath moment whent hat happened.

  19. BoulderPhinfan says:

    I bet we sign a veteran safety.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I hope we don’t. Thomas is in his 3rd year, Aikens his 2nd and we drafted a safety in Thompson this year. I went into this season thinking Aikens was going to be the other safety before we re-signed Delmas and even then because of his knee I though Aikens would still be a factor. I really hope the coaches give him the chance and he excels.

      R. Jones is also in his 6th season now so we have a vet back there.

  20. BoulderPhinfan says:

    out of the 2014 draft class. James, Landry, Turner, Aikens, McCain all starting and Damien Williams as the No 2 RB. Pretty crazy.

  21. finfanrob says:

    Adam Beasley @AdamHBeasley
    Bumped into an official who was working today’s practice at my hotel.

    the dolphins were practicing at a hotel? wtf, philbin you suck, make them practice on a football field.

  22. getterdone says:

    Louis Delmas is expected to miss the season after being diagnosed with a torn ACL in an initial test. So Walt Aikens gets his chance to prove he’s a starting NFL safety, alongside Reshad Jones.

    The front office is very high on Aikens, a fourth-round pick last May. Aikens had a couple of off-field issues last season but Dolphins defensive players, including Michael Thomas, have been complimentary about his improved maturity and increased attention to detail.

    “Walt has been doing a great job,” Jones said last week. “He has all the ability. Big, physical, can run well. He just needs to continue to work on his craft and get more in the playbook and learn the defense in and out. He can help us on defense.”

    And he will be needed to help more than anyone imagined a week ago.

    Michael Thomas becomes the No. 3 safety, with a potentially larger role if Aikens doesn’t seize the opportunity.

    Cedric Thompson and Jordan Kovacs are competing for the No. 4 job. And Don Jones, activated off PUP today, is still working his way back from a shoulder injury.

    Among veteran safeties who are unsigned: Thomas DeCoud, DeWan Landry, Quinton Carter, Bernard Pollard, Delano Howell, CJ Spillman and LaRon Landry (who is suspended for the first 10 games this season).

    The only guy I’d consider from that vet FA list is Thomas DeCoud, otherwise I think we’ll have good competition between Aikens, Thomas, Thompson, & Don Jones.

  23. BoulderPhinfan says:

    I thought last year one of the excuses for the defense going south was because Delmas injury.

    If they don’t bring in a vet, we better not use it as an excuse this year.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Not just him, we lost Thomas, Taylor, Davis, Finnegan and Aikens was suspended by the team for some misconduct for a game. That’s 6 DBs including Delmas. Like I said it wasn’t just a few injuries here and there throughout the team, it was a lot for one unit. The same at LB. I don’t view it as an excuse, I view it as losing talent.

  24. Tim Knight says:

    This is LaRon Landry now. Yeah he’s not juicing. LOL

  25. BoulderPhinfan says:

    Weddle is holding out of chargers camp because he wants a better deal

  26. getterdone says:

    Damn TS Danny is building into a Hurricane with Fla possibly in it’s sites.

  27. Tim Knight says:

    I saw this article and thought oh wow that guy is George Hamilton’s son. But he’s not. Don’t you think he looks like him?

  28. finfanrob says:

    getterdone says:
    August 19, 2015 at 2:26 pm

    I bet he never sniffs an NFL locker room.

    you dont know that. that kid has janitor written all over him

  29. getterdone says:

    Omar Kelly ✔ @OmarKelly
    At the end of practice I heard Panthers O-linemen telling Dolphins O-linemen they feel sorry for them because of Miami’s D-line. LOL

  30. wyoming85 says:


    Omar Kelly ‏@OmarKelly 24m24 minutes ago
    “@ternisse13: who was the last player on the team that played like that, who was that ferocious?”» maybe Joey Porter.

  31. ocalahowie says:

    Dont worry, It will go through the Caribbean, turn right when it hits the Bahamas or fizzle out when the wind sheer gets it as it approaches Andros Island…

  32. finfanrob says:


    dont worry, bush isnt in office anymore. that storm will miss

  33. wyoming85 says:

    Omar Kelly ‏@OmarKelly 25s26 seconds ago
    “@greasy1974: What was your biggest takeaway from todays scrimmage?”» the Dolphins O-line doesn’t suck. But I could be getting catfished.

  34. getterdone says:

    DEC Management @davidcanter
    Did Eric Weddle’s Agent Endorse a Trade to the Dolphins? «yes I did. Why wouldn’t I want my best friend here with me.

    • BoulderPhinfan says:

      he’s solid IMO.

      • Tim Knight says:

        He’s very good but we likely can’t afford him and likely don’t want to pay a safety that kind of money when we have young safeties we can go with.

      • getterdone says:

        He’s one of the top FS in the game. But signing him at a position of some depth we have, would really strain contract extensions in 2016 with Vernon, Miller, etc.

      • getterdone says:

        Ha, I look up after hitting post comment & Tim and I are on same page. He’ll also be 31 Jan. 4th.

  35. wyoming85 says:

    Never a truer statement made!

    Omar Kelly ‏@OmarKelly 26s26 seconds ago
    Keep moving…..nothing to see there.

  36. BoulderPhinfan says:

    idiot. never say never

    Omar Kelly ‏@OmarKelly 9m9 minutes ago
    “@Joe_Dolfan: So you are willing to lose some of our young talent to sign an aging lineman?”» Miami isn’t re-signing OV. Pipe dreaming.

  37. getterdone says:

    Omar Kelly ✔ @OmarKelly
    RT @skuczynski17 could you see Zach Vigil work his way into the starting lineup ? > No. He’s decent….not a starter.
    Yet another guy Nomar will eat his words on….SMH

  38. BoulderPhinfan says:

    I doubt the chargers trade weddle anyway.

  39. wyoming85 says:

    Man that’s a lot of scratch per start!

    SportsCenter ‏@SportsCenter 3h3 hours ago
    Jets officially sign veteran QB Matt Flynn. He’s made more than $18 million in career despite only 7 starts.

    • getterdone says:

      That one silly meaningless game at season’s end when GB was sitting Rodgers for the playoffs, Flynn started and threw 6 TD’s.
      That signed his paycheck right there, from then on teams had hope he could repeat those type of performances….LOL

  40. ocalahowie says:

    Yep GDP
    Could also plow straight through with 145mph winds.
    Personally, I stopped tracking them after about 2007 but I do still keep my eye on the cone.
    Living up here I’m not as worried from the Atlantic but we are only about 30 miles in from the Gulf
    So if one turns right just north of Tampa

    • getterdone says:

      Agreed, yet oddly enough, when most of those storms enter the Gulf, they seem to make a beeline towards Nawleans or SE Texas.

  41. ocalahowie says:

    Mostly the Low’s that form along old cold fronts head off to the North and East

  42. ocalahowie says:

    Heading down to Orlando to see the wifes old friend from High School who is down visiting from NJ
    Gotta Go!

  43. D says:

    getterdone says:
    August 19, 2015 at 2:26 pm
    I bet he never sniffs an NFL locker room.
    Oh i agree with that , but there will be a college that takes a chance on him and sees what they can get. Thats almost guaranteed.

    • D says:

      His size alone will get him college offers, pro though is elite of elite, he would have a slim to none chance as do most college athletes.

  44. D says:

    wyoming85 says:
    August 19, 2015 at 4:20 pm
    Man that’s a lot of scratch per start!

    SportsCenter ‏@SportsCenter 3h3 hours ago
    Jets officially sign veteran QB Matt Flynn. He’s made more than $18 million in career despite only 7 starts.
    Could make a similar argument about Matt Moore though.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Moore’s actually played solid in multiple games. He never got paid like that either.

      • D says:

        Moore was a 5 mil a year backup for past couple years and didnt see the field but ever so little. I think if you did his money to snaps it would be really really high too, thats not to say i dont think Moore > Flynn, because i do, i just think sometimes if a person is a solid backup, he makes money without any production. Flynn also has benefit of two teams originally signing him to starter money before relegating him to backup role, so that explains a lot of his money without snaps.

    • Ken says:

      Flynn has done a respectable job as a backup. Despite some of us here, myself included, clamoring for him one upon a time, he does not appear to be starter material.

  45. Ken says:

    Matt Flynn may actually be the best QB on the Jets roster.

    • D says:

      I think Fitzpatrick is probably the best QB, he just isnt going to consistantly produce wins. He looks the part of a starting QB at time, but others….not so much. Flynn is wildly inconsistent, but might occasionally have a good game, i think Fitz probably most relaibale one they have though. Fitz is actually someone id say would be comparable to Moore as a vet backup. Id feel comfortable with him as my 2nd guy.

  46. D says:

    getterdone says:
    August 19, 2015 at 4:02 pm
    ….especially ones that can seal the edge in run support like Vernon….IMO.
    I see Vernon as a very complete DE, not overly deficient in either pass rush or run support, but also not overly dominating in either as well. Good solid balanced DE, and there is something to be said about that. Can we do better, year, but definately could be a lot lot worse.

  47. naplesfan2010 says:

    Lazaro Montecruz · Novelist at Self-Employed
    All Bellicheat needs to know is that the Natural Disasters – Suhnami & EarthWake – are coming for Brady!
    Like · Reply · 6 · 8 hrs
    Rick Reich
    Lazaro Montecruz Hey don’t forget Oliver “The Hurricane” Vernon, because well, he was a hurricane. Earl “The Avalanche” Mitchell, he coming down hill baby……Fast!!! Brent “the Bizzard ” Grimes, he’ll freeze out your best reciever. Jamar ” the tornado” Taylor, he’ll run circles around your second best reciever. Chris “storm” McCain, when he gets to the ball… shit is gonna hit the fan! Jelani ” Wild Fire” Jenkins, will burn you up! Rashad “Thunder” Jones, will thump ya! Louis “Lighting” Delmas ,(Hope he’s not hurt to bad) will strike out of nowhere. And last but not least Koa “the typhoon” Misi. I like to call them…..”THE FORCES OF NATURE” #FEARTHEFINS

  48. naplesfan2010 says:

    Martin signed by NE. Lynch signed by NYJ. Are the interested in the players or the playbook???

    • D says:

      Neither really know the playbook to be honest, part of why they are ex-dolphins is they couldn’t pick it up. I wouldnt fear the whole iformation poaching conspiracy, because even if its true, its not a severe advantage.

    • Tim Knight says:

      If this was that big of a deal teams would be afraid to cut players but they don’t seem to care. We’re not the only team who releases players and they get picked up by division rivals.

      • BoulderPhinfan says:

        I doubt that’s why they were signed. If they were signed only for that reason then I feel bad for the jets and the pats.

  49. D says:

    Ken says:
    August 19, 2015 at 4:53 pm
    Flynn has done a respectable job as a backup. Despite some of us here, myself included, clamoring for him one upon a time, he does not appear to be starter material.
    Argument wasnt about the quality of Moore, at least not from my side, the argument i was having was that how much money he has made per snap taken is probably inline with Flynn’s numbers. Moore imo is a more dependable backup than Flynn would be, and im not attempting to make any counter arguments in regards to that.

    • Ken says:

      I get ya. Hard to place a value on a good back up. You hope they never have to take a snap but if they do you want somebody who can compete and not necessarily cost you a game. I think Moore does that and I think Flynn does that. You just don’t want to count on either of them for 16 games. If I had to I would take Moore over Flynn.

  50. Tim Knight says:

    D, oh I gotcha on Moore – per snap.

  51. CavalierKong says:

    getterdone says:
    August 19, 2015 at 3:25 pm
    Omar Kelly ✔ @OmarKelly
    At the end of practice I heard Panthers O-linemen telling Dolphins O-linemen they feel sorry for them because of Miami’s D-line. LOL
    That is pretty awesome/

  52. Ken says:

    D says:
    August 19, 2015 at 5:08 pm (Edit)

    I think Fitzpatrick is probably the best QB, he just isnt going to consistantly produce wins. He looks the part of a starting QB at time, but others….not so much. Flynn is wildly inconsistent, but might occasionally have a good game, i think Fitz probably most relaibale one they have though. Fitz is actually someone id say would be comparable to Moore as a vet backup. Id feel comfortable with him as my 2nd guy.
    I think Fitzpatrick is in the same type of category as both Moore and Flynn. Very solid back up QB. You can put him for a handful of games and he will be competitive but you can’t count on him over 16 games on a consistent basis.

  53. The Flying Pig says:

    Benjamin has a torn ACL and is out for the year
    Feel bad for the Panthers

    • Ken says:

      Wow, that is terrible news. No more scrimmages. 2 players gone for the year after today. SMH.

      • Tim Knight says:

        That can happen anywhere. Both injuries were non-contact. It happens like that a lot. Revis blew his knee reacting to a DT cut.

  54. naplesfan2010 says:

    I hear Wake INT’d Cam for a TD … but uhhh no fight ensued.

  55. naplesfan2010 says:

    I said I hate intersquad scrimmages when the news first came out that we would do it this year, because it ramps up the injury list every GD time.

  56. jetsssuck says:

    No decision on Brady. Gotta wonder if they don’t reach settlement 31st if NE backup going to have enough time to prepare for season opener. Brady has made concesations and NFL has not made any. Judge says NFL’s case is weak.

  57. olddolphan says:

    MY THANKS to YOUNG STANGER for his kind remarks on how the Dallas Cowboys held the “Redskins Fight Song” hostage until George Preston Marshall allowed another NFL team into the southern states. It certainly added some extra spice to the Redskins-Cowboys rivalry.
    Very glad so many of you enjoyed the article.
    I got something today I hope I’m going to enjoy; my Dolphins’ season tickets!! –YOUNG STANGER, are you getting ready for the home opener against Buffalo??

  58. jetsssuck says:

    ny to wpb $222 round trip—–
    10/23 returns 10/26

  59. Tim Knight says:

    Aikens will have a lot of practice and playing time with the 1s with 3 PS games left. Go Walt!

  60. BoulderPhinfan says:

    flynn had one good game with the packers and he’s made 18 mil. Now that’s return on investment.

  61. wyoming85 says:

    I’ve been a big proponent of drafting or UDFA QB to develop to loose Moore’s money!

    Maybe next year! 😦

  62. The Flying Pig says:

    Anyone see Rock since his morning post

    Was he really pissed about something or just being a smart ass?

  63. wyoming85 says:

    Feel bad for the Panthers?
    Fuck that!!!!!!!!!!!!
    We lost our FS today!

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I don’t like losing players
      But I don’t view Delmas is the top tier of our most valuable players

      Injuries happen
      I’m almost breathing easier that it happens now so we can move on and get some young guy more experience

  64. The Flying Pig says:

    Here is what the panthers are missing

  65. wyoming85 says:

    Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter · 2h2 hours ago
    Cardinals’ LG MIke Iupati is likely to undergo arthroscopic knee surgery this week that would sideline him 6-8 weeks, per source.

  66. finfanrob says:

    Tim Knight says:
    August 19, 2015 at 7:12 pm

    Aikens will have a lot of practice and playing time with the 1s with 3 PS games left. Go Walt!

    whats the big deal. who cares. according to 99.99999% of people here we have suh on defense. i didnt think anybody else mattered

  67. finfanrob says:

    ken, piggy or stanger (or anyone else)

    hate to sound uninformed but i am. and you guys might have said on here before but i am so busy avoiding the ask mike articles i might have missed it. but why is this shady thing in court. i mean isnt the nfl a private organization and the players organization agreed to a CBA? or is it just another case of ‘dont blame me, i am suing you now’

    • BoulderPhinfan says:

      I was wondering about that myself. If the CBA is signed doesn’t that mean the CBA is the law when it comes to NFL?

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Fed ct still has jurisdiction even in the existence of a CBA

      However generally, my take is, courts will not disturb decisions made under a CBA

      In the AP case, the players union sued the nfl in court to undo the decision made by the NFL

      Think of it as an appeal

      The fed court found the ap suspension inrproper bc essentially the nfl punished him twice and there was no grounds for that in the NFL

      So the court has to find soemthing like that IMO to disturb a decision reached by the NFL

      I thought ap was exception and not the trend
      But that might be wrong

  68. finfanrob says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    August 19, 2015 at 8:32 pm

    Fed ct still has jurisdiction even in the existence of a CBA

    still doesnt make sense. the agreement says goodell has the authority. why now do the courts get to old overrule a private agreement

  69. Tim Knight says:

    Piggy, I guess missed Rock’s comments.

  70. getterdone says:

    Omar Kelly ✔ @OmarKelly
    The South Carolina local news just teased a profile on how Dolphins fans took over the Panthers practice vs. Miami.

  71. The Flying Pig says:

    FFRob and Boulder

    Don’t be surprised if at the end of the day the court says they decline to disturb the findings of the NFL bc of the CBA

    I think asking the court, generally, to undo a ruling made pursuant to a private contract is the exception

    But we are only 1 year removed from the AP ruling

    Right now in this case the only thing ruled on is that by should be the forum not Minnesota

    Other than that, it’s just settlement conferences
    and it clear to me the court doesn’t want to rule on anything bc of the sensitivity of the issues

    When we get closer to the season, if there is no settlement or ruling by the court kicking them out of court, Brady will have a choice, move for injunctive releif to stop the suspension or just begin to be suspended

    If they move, it will force the court’s hand to push past this settlement conference stuff and make a ruling in whether the court can undo to decision or not

    So don’t assume just bc the fed ct is hearing settlement conferences, they’ve said we are going to disturb a rulings made pursuant to a private conference

  72. jetsssuck says:

    Freedom of association is primarily manifested through the right to join a trade union, free speech or debating societies, political parties, or any other club or association such as religious groups, fraternities, or sport clubs.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      If the NFL was a govt agency
      And the nfl suppressed unions
      Then there might be a 1st amendment violation

      But a breach of the first amendment is not hhe federal question that gets them to federal court

      Im mentioning this but at the end of the day it may be meaningless
      Bc most federal labor laws adopt these ideas and those apply to the private sector and will get some one to fed court
      I do to think that is what is going in here though, not sure

      There is also antitrust laws that might give the court jurisdiction. I don’t know anything about antitrust so I won’t even touch it

      The thing is
      The question FFRob and boulder are asking is not a question of a party’s standing to be in federal court

      If the court elects not to disturb a decision issues pursuant to a CBA, they can do that, even if a federal question (like 1st amendment breach or labor law violation) exists

  73. finfanrob says:


    thanks. that is now as clear as mud.

    and from what i gathered, just more mumbo jumbo bs of wasting the courts and taxpayers time and money.

    • getterdone says:

      Ding fries are done.

    • The Flying Pig says:


      Frankly I’m a little confused about the procedural posture

      I would rather the court just say, this doesn’t belong here, dismissed
      Than try to do this pushing the parties to settle dance

      • Try Pod says:

        The question I have, in light of your opinion, is why is it being portrayed through the media that the nfl is losing/Brady is winning?

  74. The Flying Pig says:

    Either bc I’m really wrong
    Of bc the court is pressuring he parties to settle
    And pressuring the NFL to budge

    And the NFL may not be budging bc they know, they have the upper hand
    Having the judge disturb the finding is a major hurdle to get over for Brady, people are right to question why it is being entertained

    My guess is – the judge doesn’t want to write a decision on the subject
    Maybe he vacations in cape cod…lol

    • The Flying Pig says:

      The average sport journalist doesn’t know judges like an attorney knows judges

      They don’t know the mind games
      The ridiculous tendency to punt
      And the posturing

      They are just reporting what is said

      And the judge isn’t going to say “how did I get this fucking mess”

      • Try Pod says:

        That’s kinda the answer I was looking for- the journalist(s) are not properly reading the situation.

  75. jetsssuck says:

    Brady may have a case against goodell for malice at the end of this. Imagine if he gets divorce and loses half his wealth to his famous wife.

    • BoulderPhinfan says:

      how is goodell responsible for that? deflategate actually deflated brady and he became impotent so his wife left him?

      • jetsssuck says:

        how could he become impotent with a wife like his. LOL

        “Defamation” is a catch-all term for any statement that hurts someone’s reputation.

  76. BoulderPhinfan says:

    a lot of tax payer money gets wasted when really rich people are involved with the courts. They have money and attorneys to be in court all day every day.

  77. naplesfan2010 says:
    Spoiler alert: read the blurb at the bottom of Vernon Davis’s page @ #11 which leads to the guy at #10. yeah you know who it is!! Ranked higher than Vernon f’n Davis!!!
    btw Clay is 9th … oh well … we’ll see if he can put up numbers without Tannehill throwing to him.

  78. Tim Knight says:

    Just remember we were #2 in pass defense with Delmas the first 10 games and fell to #6 without him. But we got run on a lot the last 6 games so it skews the numbers but it says a lot.

    Go Walt Aikens. He’s a good prospect, embrace him.

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