By: by Randy Campbell (OLD DOLFAN)

dolphins 73GAME #16; Oakland @ Miami, Dec. 30, 1973



The Oakland Raiders came into existence because Los Angeles Chargers’ owner Barron Hilton threatened to forfeit his franchise unless the fledgling American Football League placed a second team on the West Coast. Hilton, one of the wealthiest men in America, got his way. Subsequently, an Oakland limited partnership was created to run the proposed Oakland AFL franchise. Oakland would be the eighth, and final, charter member of the AFL thanks to Hilton’s demands.

The Raiders went 6-8 in the first year of the American Football League (1960). They split their home games between San Francisco’s Kezar Stadium (home of the NFL’s ’49ers) and brand new Candlestick Park (home of baseball’s Giants), also in San Francisco. The team lost about $500,000 that year and may have folded but for a $400,000 loan from Ralph Wilson, owner of the Buffalo Bills.Β  Bleak times continued as Oakland went 2-12 in 1961, drawing less than 50,000 fans for the ENTIRE SEASON!! In 1962, the team was moved to Frank Youell Field in Oakland (capacity 18,000). The team lost their first 13 games of the season and head coach Marty Feldman was fired. After the ’62 season, Oakland managing partner H. Wayne Valley hired former Chargers’ assistant Al Davis as head coach and general manager. It would be the turning point in the history of the franchise. The Raiders moved into brand new Oakland/Alameda County Coliseum in 1963 with 33 year old Davis firmly in control. Oakland went 10-4 that season and established themselves as a leading franchise in the AFL.

In 1966 Davis bought 10 per cent of the franchise for $18,000 and named himself as partner in charge of football operations. He hand selected John Rauch to be the next head coach for 1967. That year the Raiders crushed the Houston Oilers 40-7 in the AFL Championship Game, earning them a trip to Super Bowl II in the historic Orange Bowl. Oakland fell to the Packers 33-14 in what would be Vince Lombardi’s last game as head coach of Green Bay.

The following two years saw Oakland win the AFL Western Division crown, only to be defeated in the AFL Championship Games by the eventual Super Bowl winning teams, the Jets (1968) and the Chiefs (1969). By this time, future Hall of Famer John Madden had become Oakland’s head coach.

The AFL and the NFL merged in 1970. That year Oakland lost their third consecutive AFL/AFC title game to the team that eventually won the Super Bowl, the Baltimore Colts. Madden’s Raiders went 8-4-2 in ’71 but failed to make the playoffs.

Oakland’s 1972 team seemed headed for a playoff showdown with the undefeated Miami Dolphins. But, in one of the most controversial endings to ANY game, Oakland LOST 13-7 when Pittsburgh’s Franco Harris caught a deflected pass on fourth down and scored in a game forever known as the “Immaculate Reception.” It was the Steelers’ first playoff game in their 40 year history!!

The 1973 Oakland team that roared into the historic Orange Bowl on December 30 was loaded with future Hall of Famers and star players. Besides Al Davis and John Madden, the Raiders boasted future HOFers Fred Biletnikoff, Gene Upshaw, Art Shell, Jim Otto, George Blanda and Willie Brown. Star players like Ken Stabler, Darryle Lamonica, Jack (the Assassin”) Tatum, Otis Sistrunk and George Atkinson made the Raiders one of the most talented (and nasty) teams ever assembled! And they had just crushed their nemesis, the Pittsburgh Steelers, the week before in Oakland.

The Raiders-Dolphins rivalry had been a lopsided affair as of 1973. Miami’s first coach, George Wilson, NEVER defeated Oakland from 1966 through 1969, going 0-5-1 against them. His successor, Don Shula, broke through with a victory during the 1970 regular season. But Oakland got revenge, edging Miami in the 1970 playoffs.

The next meeting between these franchises occurred the second week of this 1973 season. That game saw Oakland break Miami’s 18 game winning streak when they edged the Dolphins 12-7 in a game played in Berkeley. Shula believed the absence of Paul Warfield may have been the difference between victory and defeat. This time, though, Warfield was healthy and raring to go. His devastating crack-back blocks would play a key role in Miami’s running game as these two teams squared off for a trip to Super Bowl VIII!

Miami’s players and coaches so badly wanted to avenge their earlier 12-7 loss to Oakland. Many secretly hoped they’d get the chance to do JUST THAT in the playoffs!! The football gods had granted their wish. And, just to throw more gasoline onto the playoff fire, Raider QB Ken (the Snake) Stabler said,”There’s no doubt WE are the best team in the American Football Conference!”

80,000 frenzied, fanatic, fans jammed into the 75,000 seat Orange Bowl on game day. I was one of them! Me and “My Boyz” had had a belly full of the “Bad Boy” Raiders and their idiotic fans who, thankfully, were only able to buy a small number of tickets to this contest. The old stadium nearly exploded as the white clad Dolphins ran onto the field!! Some of us were already hoarse even though the game hadn’t even started!!

It was a perfect 74 degree day at kickoff. Where else to play this game other than the historic Orange Bowl?? It was, in so many ways, PERFECT!! I turned to my brother-in-law Jim and said “The Raiders have NEVER seen anything like this! –We’ll remember this game for the rest of our lives!”

The Dolphins won the toss and elected to receive. In their prior playoff win over Cincinnati, Miami won the toss and SCORED on their very first drive. Quarterback Bob Griese was hoping his offense could do the same thing against Oakland.Β  Griese took turns handing off to Csonka, then Morris, then Kiick. Guard Bob Kuechenberg, playing with a thick cast on his broken arm, was having a field day wielding his “weapon” and abusing Raider defensive linemen! “Oakland’s defense talks a lot,” said Kooch. “The best way to shut them up is to beat them down, physically.” Kuechenberg did just that, bludgeoning several Raiders, one of whom (Sistrunk?) sported a bloody face in the first quarter.

Miami’s initial drive bogged down at the Oakland 38. It was third down and 11 yards to go. Griese dropped back, saw nobody open, and ran up the middle of the field for 27 yards and a first down at the 11! A massive roar came from the Dolphin faithful. From the 11, Larry Csonka burst through a nice hole and SCORED THE FIRST TOUCHDOWN OF THE GAME! The Orange Bowl erupted as Miami took a 7-0 lead.Β  Griese’s key run on the first drive was a product of long hours watching game film. Griese noticed that, on third and long situations, Oakland often brought in a fifth defensive back and removed a linebacker. This nickel back would cover the tight end while the other DB’s double covered the wide receivers. Griese saw that when the tight end went deep and the receivers veered to the sidelines, there was no one left to cover the middle of the field. This knowledge would pay more dividends to Griese later in the game.

The rest of the first quarter and the first part of the second quarter produced plenty of big hits but no scoring. Then, nidway through the second quarter, the Dolphins mounted another long drive.

Moving exclusively on the ground, Griese again made use of all three of his primary running backs. This 15 play, eight minute drive. ended when Larry Csonka scored on a two yard dive making the score 14-0, Miami, at halftime! A bruised and battered Oakland defense was getting little help from the Oakland offense. Miami’s “No-Name Defense” had stuffed Oakland in the first two quarters.

A fired-up Oakland offense moved the ball deep into Miami territory early in the second half. George Blanda’s 21 yard field goal gave the Raiders some life and some hope. But Miami responded with a drive of their own. Garo Yepremian’s 42 yard field goal attempt was PERFECT! Miami was cruising with a 17-3 lead.

But the cruise soon hit a major bump. Quaterback Ken Stabler began to hit receivers Fred Biletnikoff and Mike Siani. A pass to running back Clarence Davis got Oakland their offense in high gear. From the Miami 25, a mix-up in the Miami secondary left Siani open for a 25 yard TD reception! Blanda’s conversion narrowed the gap to 17-10 entering the fourth quarter.

Shula told Griese “We’ve GOT to regain the momentum. Go out there and SCORE!” With the game on the line, Miami began their next drive from their 18 yard line. More runs and a rare passing play got the ball near midfield. Then, on third and seven from the Raiders’ 45, Griese went backinto the huddle and CALLED HIS OWN NUMBER!

Just as before, Oakland left the center of the field uncovered. And, just as before, Bob Griese ran the quarterback draw to perfection! His 17 yard gain to the Oakland 28 was HUGE! A few plays later, Yepremian drilled a 27 yard field goal, giving the Dolphins a safer 20-10 lead midway through the final quarter.

A desperate Ken Stabler moved the Raiders up to their own 45. It was fourth down and one yard to go! Head coach John Madden knew time was running out. His team had to go for it! Everyone in the historic Orange Bowl was standing. The noise was deafening!! Then, fullback Marv Hubbard was CRUSHED by a head-on collision with Miami safety Dick Anderson! The ball squirted loose behind the line of scrimmage! Stabler fell on it but was unable to get up and advance the ball. Miami took over on downs. Out came the white hankies as Dolfans celebrated this huge play by their All-Pro safety!

A few minutes later, Larry Csonka scored his THIRD TOUCHDOWN from the Oakland two yard line! The Miami Dolphins had defeated the Oakland Raiders 27-10 in a bruising display of brute power running! But the biggest runs were NOT by a bruising runner. “Griese’s two runs broke our backs,” said Oakland linebacker Phil Villapiano.


On the day, Miami ran the ball 53 times for 266 yards (a 5.0 average) and those three touchdowns by Larry Csonka. Csonka ran for 117 yards; Morris got 86 yards on just 14 carries; Kiick got 12 yards. But Griese’s 44 yards on two key carries may have been the most important carries of the game! (Griese had a third carry in the game which lost 5 yards. Still, his 39 yards net rushing exceeded his 34 yards net passing — 27 of which were to Warfield!)

Miami’s victory meant that they would be the FIRST TEAM IN HISTORY TO MAKE IT TO THREE STRAIGHT SUPER BOWLS! And a win vs. the Minnesota Vikings in Super Bowl VIII would put Shula’s Dolphins next to Lombardi’s Packers as the only teams to win CONSECUTIVE SUPER BOWLS up to that point!

Me and “MY BOYZ” had plenty to celebrate! Our team had sent the “Bad Ass Raiders” back to Oakland with their tails between their legs! It was PARTY TIME! The Miami Dolphins were going to the SUPER BOWL!!

The 1973 Miami Dolphins were now 14-2.

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  1. finfanrob says:


    at this point i would be happy with a very well played loss. as long as they look like there is some improvement over the past

  2. stangerx says:

    Maybe we should have a skeetball tourney. πŸ™‚

  3. ocalahowie says:

    New Page Update
    GDP 27-17 MIA
    N/A 27-17 BUF
    Howie 35-10 BUF
    Piggy 20-17 MIA
    Try 24-13 BUF
    Bold 27-10 BUF
    MikeE 17-6 MIA
    Real 33-13 BUF
    AL 31-13 MIA
    Stang 21-10 MIA
    Gigi28-15 BUF
    Cav 24-13 MIA
    UK 20-17 MIA
    Rock 34-17 BUF
    Herd 24-20 MIA
    Ken 23-14 MIA
    GO PHINS!!!

  4. BoulderPhinfan says:

    I agree with venting. We all put so much emotional energy into this team all through the off season. We get all this build up that finally this team is gonna be different. Then we watch them play without any passion. Not the type of passion that we have. We lose to a team that we’re suppose to beat. Every one of us thought we were going to beat jax (Except howie).

    After all of that we’re not allowed to vent for 2 days after a terrible loss like that? The loss happened sunday afternoon and its only tuesday. I’m sure by thursday even the really negative people like myself will be more optimistic πŸ™‚

    • Try Pod says:

      That has been my experience. But I do understand that there are those who do not go “dark” after a loss, so coming here could be hard for someone who is primarily an optimist.

  5. Tim Knight says:

    Try, I’d rather discuss hope and solutions than it’s over after 2 games. But that’s just me. Everyone has a right to say what they want, I just don’t have to engage in it. That’s all.

    • Try Pod says:

      This is true, Tim. But it’s not because the “negative” are here to bring you down.

    • Try Pod says:

      The other thing is, we would all like to discuss “hope and solutions”, but I don’t blame anyone for finding that harder and harder to do after the last 13 years of a 7-9 season average.

    • olddolphan says:

      TIM; IF you even think for a moment that most of these criticisms are just based on the first 2 games you, Jahndoh, and the rest of the Philbin defenders could NOT be more wrong if you tried. –My dislike over Philbin’s tactics and strategies are based on watching him, his coaches, and his team perform over the last 50, I SAY FIFTY, games in which he has been the head coach. I won’t bother going over the litany of errors committed by the leadership of the Dolphins over the last several seasons. OTHERS have done a fine job of doing that. What it comes down to is this: PHILBIN IS NOT, I REPEAT, IS NOT going to get this franchise to a Super Bowl EVER, given what I’ve observed over the last 50 games. WE’VE already WASTED 2 years giving him chance after chance during the 2014 season and the 2015 season. We’ve spent hundreds of millions of ROSS’s money, signed high profile free agents and draft choices, and all we have to show for it is a 24-26 record. MOST would say the talent level of this franchise, taken as a whole, is BETTER than it was when Philbin took over. But the product on the field IS NOT BETTER. The logical conclusion, as HERDFAN alluded to earlier today, is that the coaching staff has failed to “coach ’em up” to a better record. In the words of the notorious Bill Parcells, “You are what your record says you are!”
      I’m NOT satisfied with non-winning records (which are all Philbin has accomplished). I don’t think zero playoff wins is acceptable. YOU and others certainly have the right to disagree. NO ONE is trying to censure anyone. But the concept that Philbin’s critics are basing their displeasure on just two games is utter nonsense. And it’s NOT the truth. –The TRUTH IS PHILBIN’S a failure NOW, just like he was after the 6-10 2013 season.
      SOME (MOST??) of the blame lies at Ross’s doorstep. It was Steve Ross who totally botched the attempted hiring of Jim Harbaugh. It was Steve Ross who told Todd Bowles he had NOT “made the cut” when Bowles and Jeff Fisher were interviewd for the job of Miami head coach. ROSS, thinking he’d sign Fisher, politely told Bowles to look elsewhere after leading Miami to a 2-1 record as interim coach. When Fisher told Ross “No Thanks, I won’t work under Jeff Ireland,” he was too late to try to get back Bowles, who had taken a job with another team. TRUTH IS BOWLES would have been a better choice than either Fisher or Philbin. So Ross hired Philbin, then, brought in Tannenbaum to help run the team. Tannenbaum, who failed with the Jets, is also not working any semi-miracles in Miami, either, to the surprise of virtually nobody. Some day the odds say Ross will pick the RIGHT GUY for GM and the RIGHT GUY for head coach. But, so far, he’s failed. Possibly the best choice Ross has made is the selection of Dennis Hickey. But his power has been very limited since T-Baum arrived.
      WHAT WOULD MAKE ME HAPPY? -Terminating Philbin during, or at the end, of the regular season. I’d also like to see T-Baum get the axe, based on NOT 2 GAMES but, instead, his last 2 seasons in New York plus his first 2 seasons in Miami. THIS IS NOT, I REPEAT, IS NOT, a knee-jerk reaction based on 2 GAMES. It is a reaction based on 4 years of failing to live up to the proud standards of this once-great franchise. If Steve Ross either can NOT or will NOT make these changes, I’d urge him to SELL THE FRANCHISE to someone who REALLY WANTS TO WIN GAMES and has the know-how to do it!
      GOOOO-O-O-O FINS!!!!!!!!!

      • Tim Knight says:

        And there you have it. I’m right and your wrong. Yeah that never happens. LOL

        For the record I haven’t said that the coaches are not the problem this year. All I said while watching the actual players who play the game with this loaded team we have are not doing their job. Talent wins. Not playcalls.

  6. finfanrob says:

    Tim Knight says:
    September 22, 2015 at 7:04 pm

    No, just that it is negative and it’s not my thing.

    who you kidding, you’re a eunuch, you dont have a thing

  7. finfanrob says:

    or here is an idea, dont try to define some one for their idea about the team. if you want to engage them in conversation do so, but why does someone have to define others based on their opinion

    • Try Pod says:

      Ideally, that would be great, but humans need to have boxes of organization to make sense of things. I personally don’t feel like I am more negative than neutral, in my assessment, I can see that someone with less tendency to look at the “half-empty” side might feel I am very negative.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I’m not targeting anyone personally. I just don’t enjoy it and I don’t blog to get pissed off. Some of my posts get challenged at every turn if I’m not on the gloom and doom train. If I’m optimistic about the team, I’m a homer or sunshine and lollipops. If I criticize the players more than the coaches, that gets challenged as well. It works both ways.

      To me, players play the game and unless the coaches do something outrageously bad, I don’t put it on them if the game is competitive which we have been. We’ve had some issues on the field that to me come down to performance and that’s why I question whether we’re as good as we thought we might be. It could absolutely be a combo of both but when I see lack of execution with players being beaten by their opponents physically, I look to them.

      • Try Pod says:

        That is a fair argument in my humble opinion- players or coaches. I think in most sports, coaching is not as important as it is in football, if for no other reason than the number of players involved, the particular positional groups, alignments, packages, nature of the game… When things aren’t working but you have reason to believe the talent is there, I think it reasonable to question the coaching.

  8. olddolphan says:

    TIM: REPLY for you about 4 spots up the page.

  9. finfanrob says:


    why do you always think i am talking about you.

  10. finfanrob says:


    and to answer you. i didnt think you were targeting anyone. i was just saying we would all be better off if we didnt have to categorize what kind of fan one is.

    as far as you being challenged, well how is one suppose to respond to something one says. basically any type of disagreement is a challenge to what is said unless it is total agreement

  11. finfanrob says:


    to me i dont care if it is the coaches or the players, just fix the damn thing and start winning

  12. finfanrob says:

    Tim Knight says:
    September 22, 2015 at 7:39 pm

    Because you did.

    oh come on dorker, you know i was just repeating what you said earlier to me.

  13. Tim Knight says:

    I’ve watched the Mets be a bad team for 4-5 years and listened to fans on the radio call for Terry Collins head all along. When they finally gave him major league hitters, they started winning. What did he all of a sudden remember how to manage? Talent wins or you wouldn’t look for it.

  14. finfanrob says:


    the cubs have sucked for years and they hired a good coach this year and are now playoff bound.

    there are example each way out there. it is a combination of both, got to have talent and good coaching. and imo, the fins have talent but poor coaching. why i am ready for a change

  15. finfanrob says:


    that is how i feel about nba coaches. in the nba is you dont have great players you dont win no matter how great the coach

  16. BoulderPhinfan says:

    here is something optimistic πŸ™‚

    Miami Dolphins βœ” @MiamiDolphins
    Jarvis Landry’s 16 catches are the most ever by a player on our team in the first two weeks of a season.

    • BoulderPhinfan says:

      BTW I think Landry is going to the pro bowl this year.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Not surprised. He’s the real deal. He’ll get the most out of his ability because he’s self motivated and in control of his craft at a high level. I expect him to get better and better.

      We all know Suh can be dominant, I’m hoping he’s just off to a slow start with the rest of the group.

  17. Tim Knight says:

    In football yes coaching can be big but to me that’s in key times in a game, not the overall play of the day in a competitive game.

    When we start seeing skill players break runs and score TDs and pass rushers get sacks and DBs get picks, then you’ll know you’re talented. Coaches can’t make that shit happen.

    By the way baseball is one of the most strategic games in crunch time so yes managing does matter. Pitching matchups, double switches, how to play the infield etc.

    There are certain execuions that have to happen on the field to make any team successful and coaches don’t control these guys with joysticks.

    • Try Pod says:

      Way over thought in most cases, though. I truly believe that is a myth baseball people have been promoting to add to the “mystique” of the game.

  18. getterdone says:

    Knock knock… it safe to come in here? 😯

  19. finfanrob says:

    BoulderPhinfan says:
    September 22, 2015 at 7:58 pm

    BTW I think Landry is going to the pro bowl this year.

    sure would be nice if he has to miss it cause they are in the SB

  20. getterdone says:

    I have a thought

  21. finfanrob says:

    getterdone says:
    September 22, 2015 at 8:13 pm

    I have a thought

    take a number

  22. ocalahowie says:

    I got us down for the loss this week too along with 3 others. I read today some of you fearing the Jets game.
    Dont worry, we have that one in the bag and the one in NJ also
    GO PHINS!!!

  23. BoulderPhinfan says:

    watching the replay of the game is difficult. We lost because of the penalties plain and simple.

    • Tim Knight says:

      18 is kind of a big number especially since we’ve been one of the least penalized teams under the Philbin era. Vernon’s penalty was a rogue dumb play that basically ended the game.

  24. getterdone says:

    The coaches won’t admit this, but it’s likely that to start the season & with 2 previously thought easier type opponents, that the coaches might try something new, something that they’re not quite as good at, to get a gauge what their team can and can’t do.

    Now that we’re going into the 3rd game and a ‘crucial’ division game at that….I see the professional coaching staff now go to what they know is their bread n butter strengths.

    I look to see some renewed plays, formations, and energy come Sunday.

    ….you think the Jills are pissed off? Meet Mr. Suhtanny & Co.

  25. The Flying Pig says:

    Landry is on pace for 128 catches

  26. getterdone says:

    Miami Dolphins βœ” @MiamiDolphins
    Tannehill is the first QB in team history with at least 3 TD passes and 0 INTs in the first two games of a season.
    Whaaaat? We can’t have this….bring back Cleo Lemon.

  27. son of a son of a shula says:

    It wasn’t the coaches who didn’t see no one covering Landry on that last offensive play.
    It wasn’t the coaches who got burned deep (by like 15 yards)
    It wasn’t the coaches who gave the jags an extra yard and a half so the kicker could hit the crossbar instead of being short
    It is our Defense that has only given up 3 second half points.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Defense 33 pts allowed 16.5 PG
      Offense 30 pts scored 15.0 PG
      STs TD

      Where are the playmakers? Tannehill played a good game. Can someone else make a play after a catch or on a run or with a pick, get a big sack, force a fumble etc. That’s how teams win.

  28. finfanrob says:

    getterdone says:
    September 22, 2015 at 8:46 pm

    Miami Dolphins βœ” @MiamiDolphins
    Tannehill is the first QB in team history with at least 3 TD passes and 0 INTs in the first two games of a season.
    Whaaaat? We can’t have this….bring back Cleo Lemon.

    yeah but look how horrible he is on defense. look at all the yards he gives up

  29. ocalahowie says:

    Dont worry about it Boulder, Check your list, Weve also got the road Bills game and that final game at home VS the Patriots
    But will 10-6 with 2 Div losses be enough for the wildcard cause the Patsies are going 13-3
    However I must have made an error on that Skins game I guess were still never getting past the Texans instead πŸ˜‰

  30. son of a son of a shula says:

    There are waaaaay too many penalties being called. Its hard to watch the games.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I hate the DB holding calls
      They needs to stop with that call already
      You hold a team on 3rd down
      And all of the sudden there is a flag on something that had no effect in the play

    • Tim Knight says:

      Totally agreed. I find myself watching less other games because I don’t care enough and they ruin it.

  31. ocalahowie says:

    Alright GDP probably not
    14-2 sounds more realistic 😦

  32. Ken says:

    If talent wins then why are there coaches? I am not trying to be a ball buster but you have to acknowledge that it is a combination. You have to have talent but you need to be well coached. I look at the Miami roster and I believe we have good talent. There are some holes but every team has holes. So if we have talent why are we not winning? Why are we playing so poorly? I see poor schemes on offensive such as a lack of commitment to the run which makes our offense one dimensional and a pretty vanilla defense. I chalk that up to coaching.

  33. getterdone says:

    Cowboys acquired QB Matt Cassel from the Bills in exchange for a 2017 fifth-round pick.

  34. The Flying Pig says:

    Stoneburner TD

    Nice to see him get involved

  35. The Flying Pig says:

    Also I hope they keep Stoneburner when a Sims is ready

    Let go 3 TEs on the roster!!

    • Ken says:

      I would like for one of them to take the Clay H back role where we can line one of them up in the backfield situationally I just don’t think any of those 3 have that skill set like Clay did.

  36. The Flying Pig says:

    FYI if you thought Taykor was beat you were wrong

  37. Try Pod says:

    This is the same fat guy who said drug addicts just don’t have self control:–election.html

  38. getterdone says:

    Bleacher Report’s Mike Freeman reports Jimmy Graham is “pissed off” and “hates” his role with the Seahawks.
    According to Freeman, “several” Seahawks players have informed him of this and it’s a “fact.” Graham allegedly “hates what’s happening in Seattle” where he’s “barely looked at in the passing game.” Through two games, Graham has just 10 targets, which is 15th among tight ends.

  39. bat says:

    Trade Suh for Graham

  40. Ken says:

    Clay was not a good in line blocker but I thought he was effective in the H-back role and had some impact blocking in the run game.

  41. ocalahowie says:

    Tell you what
    Tanny my not be able to throw the deep-deep ball and most of the longer passes he just plain sucks. But getting between the defenders over the middle he is a master.
    Or as we used to call it

  42. wyoming85 says:

    Tim I don’t even know why you try!

    I’ll give it to you though you are a trooper!

    I’ll wait for a productive conversation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  43. Ken says:

    Alright. Busy day tomorrow and supposed to start trial on Thursday so I am off to get some rest. Peace to you all.

  44. BoulderPhinfan says:

    Well we can say that vernon penalty was the worst one. But on the first Jax drive that went for a TD we stop them on third and eight. The call offside on Suh. So they get 3rd and 2 and convert it then bortles throws a 40 yard pass to robinson and after that they get a TD.

    Yes vernon penalty was bad but I think there were a lot of penalties in this game that changed the game. It seems like the refs were out to get us.

  45. Tim Knight says:

    Can I get a Go Sam, Go!?

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