from jetssuck
Q – What are the chances that we have a new offense for our players next year. Do you think they will cut Wake during the FA period to save 9 million as reported?
It’s still too early in the season to say that, because the team can catch fire offensively, and that would almost guarantee that Bill Lazor returns. I don’t think that’s likely, and therefore, I’d have to say yes, we’ll be starting over with a new offensive system. Most of us are fed up with Lazor’s system, but it’s not our decision. It’s obvious it took outsider(s) (Al Saunders) (Dan Campbell) to make Lazor add more plays under center, and add the I-formation with a FB. I personally think you can’t be an all-finesse offense, even though it’s passing league. Almost every playoff team has a solid run game, and the Seattle Seahawks relied heavily on the run game with Marshawn Lynch, and almost won consecutive SB’s. I think it’s best to have some balance in the offense, and it seems like if it were up to Lazor, he’d be a 80/20 pass/run offense.
I think it’s an excellent question regarding Cam Wake. As much talent as Cam Wake has, and as much desire that he has, he disappeared during those stretches when we needed just 1 win at the end of the season to make the playoffs. He didn’t do it once, he did it two consecutive years in a row. I think it’s also likely he’ll never be the same player, and we all know that Cam Wake needs to win with explosive quickness, and he’s not going to have that after the achilles injury. If he wants to stay here, it would have to be at a much lower salary, and a backup role. I think we will have to cut him, and then if he wants to stay here, re-sign him to a lower contract. If he’s not amenable to that, he will have played his last game in a Dolphins uniform last week.
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from Piggy
Q – Mike
Kenny Stills has 13 catches for 205 yards this season. Most of those catches are coming late in games.
Really most of that yardage is vs the jests and patriots when we are trailing by a large margin.
Do you think the entire offense would work more efficiently if they worked in Stills with some deeper plays early in the 1st half?
Oinks
Pigsgerald
It’s still relatively early in the season, but it seems like a major miscalculation by us giving up a 3rd RD pick for Stills. I know Rishard Matthews is playing well, but we had Jarvis Landry already, and we drafted “Bad Foot” with our #14 pick in the 1st RD. Did we really make en effort to include Stills in the offense, or is it Stills who didn’t pick it up? Either way, you don’t throw 3rd RD picks around like they’re nothing. Just a few names who were available in RD 3 at or after our pick, LB Jordan Hicks, DT Carl Davis (we could have gone O-line in the 2nd, and taken a project DT in Davis in the 3rd), LB Paul Dawson, and CB Steven Nelson. Anyway, I know that’s not answering your question, I’m just ranting. I’m just really surprised that Stills never really got an opportunity to start. When he did early in the year, it was Stills, Jennings and Landry, and it seemed Landry was the go to guy. Then Jennings got phased out, and Matthews stole the starting spot, and Stills has been afterthought all along. If I had to say why Stills and the deep ball aren’t more of a part of our offense, it’s because of 2 things, they don’t want Tannehill holding the ball too long with our porous pass blocking, and they don’t think throwing the ball deep is Tannehill’s strong point. I don’t think they want to take those chances early, but maybe they should.
Next season, when Rishard Matthews is most likely gone, we’ll probably be forced to figure out a way to get Stills more involved in the offense. By then, hopefully he’ll be starting opposite Bad Foot, and even more hopefully, Bad Foot isn’t Bad Foot anymore.
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from Tim
Q – Do you think we can fill the pass rush void left by Cam Wake, and if so who do you think can do it?
Thank you!
There was a void for much of the season when Cam Wake was in the lineup, but if you’re asking if anyone we have can replace the explosion Cam Wake with 4 sacks, the answer is NO! I hope Chris McCain gets a chance, but despite the fact that many of us became enamored with McCain early last season, it doesn’t appear as if our coaches share that same admiration. He’s a raw kid, we all knew that, but we wanted to see what he can do. He hasn’t been getting much time either at DE or LB, but you would think now would be the time to play him at DE, along with Derrick Shelby. I don’t think we have another guy on the roster that could play LE besides Fede, who’s Vernon’s backup at RE.
I think that was a painful loss for the Dolphins, and even more painful for Cam Wake. I do believe that was his last game as a Miami Dolphin. Maybe due to the dire circumstances of the season, where we need to win almost every game we play, we see McCain get his opportunities, and make the most of the them. It would be sweet to have his replacement on the roster, and not have to try and find it elsewhere. We need OL help, LB and CB help, so now you can just pile on DE help to the long list.
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from Wyo
Q — Do you think they activate Ajayi this week? And if so, whose roster spot will he take?
I do think Ajayi is placed on the 53 man roster, and my guess is he takes Damien Williams spot. I think we try and put Williams on the PS, or maybe they even waive him outright. If they waive Gray, some team will pick him up immediately. Therefore, I think the best way to do it is to carry 3 RB’s, Miller, Gray and Ajayi. I think Ajayi can be better than Jonas Gray, and although he’s not a true power runner, he can be a difficult guy to bring down, and he fights for his yards. Ajayi is also a very good receiver out of the backfield, which makes him a good fit in our offense.
The only issue with putting Williams on the PS or waiving him is, Ajayi would have to be ready to play and step into the offense if needed. He’s been practicing for 2 weeks, so hopefully he’s absorbed enough to be comfortable knowing what what he’s doing out there. It’s usually not all that complicated for RB’s, but he needs to know protections and blocking assignments, and that’s where it can get confusing. Tannehill would appreciate it if he blocks the right guy, and keeps opposing defenders off of him.
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And now for the babe of the week . . .
Finsmob Unleashed 
Morning Update
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It’s chilly today…
I thought she was just pleased to see me?
Nice job Mike. I think the entire coaching staff is gone on Black Monday, or soon thereafter. Even though we are a mere one game out of a playoff spot, I don’t think that we will make it. We need to go at least 6-3 to make the playoffs IMO, and there has been nothing over the last few years to suggest we are capable of that.
There is one thing
“THE DAN FACTOR”
we can do this
HELL YEAH!!!
my wife told me she got a look at black friday ads for walmart and they are gonna have 42 tv’s under 100.00
42 inch
LMAO at BAD FOOT. Nice one Mike.
I also hope Lozar is shown the door at season’s end. We were sold a quick strike, high tempo offence that would wrong foot opponents and we ended up with a play-book full of predictable, cumbersome, slow-developing plays that gets Tanny on his ass most of the time. I don’t want to see RT in a new scheme, but with the exception of 2 games, this one aint working. If it doesn’t start producing on Sunday we have to press the rest button.
I was talking with a NE fan yesterday and we were discussing what make Bellichec so good. He said he doesn’t know but he said its documented. I thought about that yesterday and why couldn’t the other teams research everything the guy has said since his coaching days with the Giants. There must be millions of webpages of him saying stuff then hire a staff of 2-3 dedicated people just to tape every game and watch every play of Pats hundreds of times to figure it out. Then we can implement a passing game similar to theirs. We have the same capable players on offense but they have the scheme perfected. We would prepare our defense better with our offense performing same offense as Pats and we would have a advantage against the Pats since their only advantage is their precision passing attack.
We can copy that offense all we want but they trot out Brady to run it and we trot out Tanne-dummy.
I don’t think its only Brady. I believe the whole thing is the passing set up scheme with the 3 set bunched together. Tanny is very smart and he has the mental capacity to learn the basics during 1 yr and every year after improving. Lets not forget Brady has been working the same offense for many years.
Rebecca De
NipplesMornaySorry, but I need to VENT!! So I went to Winn Dixie to get some stuff. I noticed this lady was staring at me on the same aisle I was on. No biggie. I moved to the next aisle and here she comes again…STARING! So now I’m like, WTH. but finish up my shopping and head to the check out line. Of course this same lady was ahead of me…starts staring again. So I start playing with my phone so I don’t have to look at her. Finally she says “I want to apologize for staring at you, but you look just like my son who just passed away.” I felt really bad after that and gave her my condolences. She says “thank you…but I have a favor to ask. I understand if you don’t want to. Can you give me a hug and say ‘bye mama’ to me?” Inside I was like wth , but me being the softie that I am, I went ahead and did it. She smiles, thanks me, and leaves. The cashier rings up my stuff and the total comes out to $100.87. I knew something wasn’t right, because it should have been like $40.00 or so. The girl tells me that my total was included with my mom’s. I’m like, “What?!!!” she said, “Your mom said you were paying for her last few items along with your things. I told her that the woman was most definitely NOT my mom. She said, well I saw you hug her and heard you call her mama. I flew out of the store looking for this witch, ready to beat her tail, I see her loading up her car! She saw me and jumped into her car, I got to her as she was putting her leg in, and I started pulling her leg… JUST LIKE I’M PULLING YOURS!!! LOL
good one
You got me Son – I was just about to mail you all the money I have to help with your legal fees after you beat her to a pulp so that you could try to get off on a manslaughter charge.
I know this season is crummy, but fast forwarding to April fools already …… ?!?
UK, I actually copied that from a former Dolphin on Facebook. Shawn Wooden posted it, I doubt he wrote it because I think I’ve seen it before but nonetheless he had posted it.
It’s very believable, as you can see it coming so it sucks you in …..
(ffr will have a lot of fun with that later)
The BOTW is not all that- definitely no risky business on your part Mike E.
Try
I don’t know about not being all that, but she was sexy as all hell in that movie.
The example given does not support that
I have to keep it clean here, can’t post a pic of her with her dress around her ankles. lol
There is the whole train scene- I’m sure something from there would be “appropriate”
Good stuff Mike E
I only read my question and answer (because pigs are narcissists) but good answer
However – I want to point out to you that Stills is starting these days as a #3 WR
he’s just not targeted early
If its by design – I do;t get it at all
late in games Tanny and stills have found each other
Try
That’s also a great scene in the movie, when his dad’s Porsche 928 goes into Lake Michigan
I don’t think my intent was clearly stated- I was offering social commentary on the lack of risque babeage displayed by your picture choice- I have no problem with the movie or with Ms. DeMornay for that matter.
Son, I knew you were pulling our leg half way through because I know your humor. But good stuff.
Mike E, good stuff but remember we traded for Stills before we drafted Parker and nobody knew Matthews would do what he’s doing this year. Also the trade for Stills was to offset the Ellerbe contract.
I don’t have any regrets about trading for Stills FWIW
I don’t think he needs big numbers to be effective – or to start
but his skils allow us to open the filed up a little more – and my point was about using him early to create a little bit more cushion underneath
i think that will help the running game and the short passing game
I have no idea why he’s not more involved but he definitely adds some explosiveness to the offense – 15.8 YPCA and 4 catches over 20+.
I would think next year, Stills will be starting opposite Bad Foot, who better be Devante Parker next year. I doubt we re-sign Matthews, he’s in for a payday after the season he’s having.
Nice job Mike. I’m not sure that I think we’ll be starting with new coaches next year. It really depends on the rest of this year.
one thing about Campbell is that he needs to become more of an X’s and O guy to stick. He’s a great motivator but you have to be both to have success in this league. He needs to have more to do with the game plan each week. Not just rely on his coordinators.
No question Boulder. He really needs to learn all the aspects of being a Head Coach, time management, game management, personnel management etc.
LOL Try – With respect to Herd, I’ve tried to keep the pics less revealing.
Understood- I, as much as anyone get a little frustrated when people don’t respect our female audiences’ “sensibilities”; not sure the picture you chose actually promotes this idea, but… 😳
Hey, women have nipples, and as long as they’re under her shirt, I can’t help it if they’re showing. 😉
So do cats:
https://youtu.be/4-OwMoAsP38
My hope is we at least play competitively and win a handful of games so Campbell has a good chance to retain the HC job. He’ll be better next year with experience and an offseason to prepare as a HC. I think his demeanor is good and he will continue to resonate with players. The quick turn around his first two weeks said a lot. Last week was a bummer but it was bad timing on a short week in NE where they rarely lose. Would have liked to see a better performance but a loss like that is good for Campbell to keep him grounded.
If we keep campbell then I want an experience OC and DC. Maybe whisenhunt OC and Schwartz as DC.
But I really would like to see how the rest of this year plays out before giving the job to campbell. Winning 2 games is one thing. Winning consistently is another.
That’s why I said win a handful of games. As for coordinators, that would be up to Campbell if he’s retained because coaches hire people they have some connection too. But if he is retained as the HC that means we played pretty well so maybe new coordinators won’t be necessary.
I have nipples, Greg. Can you milk me?
Love that Dinero character
That was a good scene
I love the Owen Wilson character too. I whittled this gazebo out of drift wood, LOL.
Pamela Martha Fokker
LOL
It only took about 72 hours.
It’s an altar; or you might call it a HHH… Chupah?
LOL, I’m going to have to watch it this weekend
LOL at least he knows the problem with this team
Adam Beasley @AdamHBeasley
Lazor again with a joke: Our best third-down package is when we haven’t been in them.
Adam Beasley @AdamHBeasley
Lazor clearly has third downs on the brain. For the third time, he’s directed the conversation back to their struggles on that down.
Armando Salguero @ArmandoSalguero
DC Lou Anarumo says “Charles Clay in the first game took advantage of us” and defense has to be aware of him Sunday.
Omar Kelly @OmarKelly 9m9 minutes ago
“Chris has a knack for doing that (chasing quarterbacks) and hopefully we will see him do that on Sunday,” Lou Anarumo said.
Omar Kelly @OmarKelly 16m16 minutes ago
“As you saw in the first game if you let him get on the perimeter you are in trouble,” Lou Anarumo said of Bills QB Tyrod Taylor.
IT sounds like Chris McCain will be active against the bills. Taylor killed us the last game with his feet getting to the perimeter.
Because Wake is out.
Nice job Mike E. Who said sweaters are not sexy?
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 1m1 minute ago
MAJOR changes in Detroit: Lions have fired GM Martin Mayhew and president Tom Lewand, league sources told ESPN.
I think Stills is a matter of the offense working as it should. A receiver like Stills isn’t a feature guy, he’s a guy who burns you when you forget about him. He a guy you set up plays to. Crossing routes to Landry and Parker, couple plays to Cameron and then there is Still on a deep post. He’s likely to be the kind of guy you get a few plays a game where he has slipped behind the defenders and is open for big plays, and not so much a multi-target, 10 yards a pop, receiver.
Problem with him working out that way has been two fold.
First, we havent really be able to get much going on offense outside of the Tenn and Houston games. Because we cant get anything going we cant get into deep setup plays like you would generally like to see with Stills.
Second problem is partially chemistry, and partially Tannehill. I have seen Stills behind defenders on plays and Tanny isnt reading it and hitting him. Tannehill is missing a lot of big play reads to both Still and Cameron. Again, this could be a trust thing, could be that Matthews and Landry both have his trust and there is chemistry there that isnt there with Jennings, Stills, and Cameron, or could be he Tanny is still not analyzing his reads well, maybe both.
Mike E. says:
November 5, 2015 at 10:21 am (Edit)
LOL Try – With respect to Herd, I’ve tried to keep the pics less revealing.
No problem…you guys can have it. I wouldn’t want to stop you from being able to see naked women here because there’s not any anywhere else on the internet for you to see. Have fun. Bye
😦
Herd I’d rather talk to you than look at naked pics!
(On this site anyway) 😉
Sound familiar?
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 58s59 seconds ago
Lions haven’t drafted a Pro-Bowl player in the past 5 drafts. No player they drafted in 2010-2011 is on their roster today.
Afternoon Update
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Herd, don’t leave. I’m sure we can all get by with T&A here.
^without 🙂
Doh!!!
That’s not helping…
Adam Beasley @AdamHBeasley 42m42 minutes ago
Ja’Wuan James, DeVante Parker and Jordan Kovacs are not participating in the portion of practice open to the media.
Mark richt out at GA- UM’s next coach?
Heard it rumored a lot, but its only because of his connection to previously playing there. I dunno how the university feels about him. I like the guy, but in a lot of circles i hear people say they feel he is a great winning record coach, but a horrible win when it matters coach.
Herd, if anyone here is offended that they cant see that here they need to grow up. The intent of this blog isnt to distribute naked pictures with one another. Guys are guys a lot of times and forget their manners, but truthfully your statement about there being plenty of other places to get it is spot on. I dont think we need that here, or at very least always try to keep out of the realm of pornography. Couple people have gotten out of line, but they corrected themselves and i am sure put the blame for being called out, on their actions and not yours. You are a part of this family and if we cant take each others feeling into account we arent doing right by one another. I think every here while occasionally making a comment in regards to not offending you isnt saying your a party pooper, they are saying we need to respect Herd. You do a lot for us and show us respect, and we owe you the same level of respect.
D posted that without wearing a bra.
i did, or panties…
So now we need new OC/DC? When are you folks gonna realize it’s about the players? We have a QB who can’t make big plays…or even see them. H leaves huge plays on the field every week and can’t get it done on th mine down. We have an OL that can’t stay healthy…and even when they are they aren’t that good. Our LBers are average at best, and I think they’re a liability. Our defensive backfield is just a mess. Grimes and Jones are consistently good but after that it’s a complete crapfest. Our DL is really the only + unit on this team. WRs are okay but nothing special outside of Landry.
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Taken as a whole and compared to their counterparts….I just don’t see a whole lot of above average talent on this team. Average talent w/o a QB that can rise above and steal games for us….means an average record. Fire all the coaches you want…it’s not gonna matter.
We do need a new OC, it doesnt change the validity of the rest of your post but id say in addition to needing better play out of some of our top players, we also need a guy who can utilize it better. Lazor is poop, plain and simple.
I’m starting to come around to this way of thinking- i.e., we need players. The people choosing the players probably deserve as much scrutiny as anyone- though I’m still not convinced the coaching staff maximizes the players abilities and mitigates their frailties.
To be fair to Hickey, he was handed a bad situation on the OL from day one. That alone made us have to use a lot of resources and money in one area in two offseasons. He did draft Landry over a lot of other guys people were high on and he nailed that pick. When you think about it, he’s spent much of the time turning over the roster from bad contracts. This team really isn’t ready for prime time and the offseason hype was just that.
I think its a combination problem, we dont utilize what we have well. You can see that from the Tenn and Houston games where we got great production out of our players, specifically the OL, when neither of those DL’s are slouches. We could definately upgrade a couple positions on that OL, but all in all its not a terrible unit.
Tannehill is regressing this year, im not sure why but where he was going end of last year and where he is going this year is opposite ways from one another, and i am beginning to be concerned that some of them that are dearly important to becoming great, are never going to develop. Im not a Tanny hater, i have ALWAYS pulled for him, and thought he was CERTAIN a stud in the making, but this year is changing my mind and making me one of the skeptics.
D,
I’m not a fan of how Lazor calls a game, but it’s really not all that different than a lot of other offenses in the NFL. It comes down to execution. Our players are not executing the plays that are being called. I won’t be upset if Lazor goes, but I don’t think his gameplans are all that strange or poor. Good players should be able to make this offense work. The only thing he’s done that truly makes me shake my head is the lack of commitment to the running game. People used to think it was because our OL sucked….but it appears that’s just Lazor.
I’ve been saying for years that Tanny is terrible on the mine down.
That’s the most important down. If you screw up you blow the fuck up! LOL
LOL, fire in the hole!
When it comes to Tannehill, I REALLY want to believe but every week he leaves big plays on the field and more importantly, he never seems to play his best during the high-pressure points of the game, 3rd downs and 4th quarters.
I can’t recall the last time we were in a close game in the 4th and Tanny played lights out, or even just good.
GB, DEN and MIN last year.
If memory serves he had a good game UNTIL the 4th quarter against both GB and Denver. As a matter of fact his INT in the 4th against Denver cost us a chance to win the game. I don’t remember how the Minny game played out.
Tanny also played one of the best games he’s ever played and set an all-time record this year. He’s up and down just like the rest of the team. That’s the one thing I feel he needs to improve on is consistency. But the offense also kills themselves. We make a play and there is a penalty. We’re in the game in the big spot and we give up a sack.
The main issue with this team is they don’t play complimentary football often enough.
Cav,
Shit, the money down…3rd down. I’m gonna have to start reading my own posts. Maybe putting mines on the field is the key to motivating these players. Lol
Lol
It was perfectly clear what you meant, bro. I was just clowning around. Since ffr isn’t here, I figure somebody has to make stupid jokes.
Herd
I think we can all survive with things as they are. I assume you’re not offended by my retro BOTW photos, but if you are, I can dispense with that as well. I’d rather have you here than post a photo any day of the week. Now if you want to excuse yourself from our FF league, that’s another story. 😀
I see more wrong with Lazor than you Randy, but i agree with you on the players as well. Its a bad combination to have, a weak OC, with no way to get the most of of the talent he has, and talent that isnt as good as it needs to be.
Cav:
Week 15 last season vs Minnesota
Yeah, that game has been brought up before as the one excellent 4th quarter he’s had, and Tim also mentioned it above.
He’s in his 4th year and no matter how you count ’em it’s on 1 hand the number of good 4th quarters he’s played. It’s worrisome if he’s supposed to be the guy.
How about Pats and Steelers in 2013
Falcons in 2013
Once in 4 years?
Lazor has been Tannehill’s best friend becuause this offense lets him complete tons of passes. The problem is, they’re usually 7 yard passes….and rarely lead to big plays. Sure, Tannehill’s stats look good, but does he do the most crucial thing…score? Can he make plays when it matters and win games? Besides, passing stats and records in today’s NFL are meaningless because of how the rules favor offenses and passing. You need to be able to score…and probably 27-30 points a game nowadays to be a true contender unless you have a world class defense.
Most of Brady’s passes are dinks and dunks. BTW Tannehill has one of the best ratings on deep passes this year
Brady seems to choose the right receiver rather consistently
That’s also a fallacy. He also throws some really nice 15-20 yard passes. Very few QBs throw the ball over 30 yards more than a handful of times.
Cav
I know! And now lunch is over…you can bust someone else’s balls. Lol
Back to depositions. Peace
Kong, we scored two TDs in the 4th against GB and the pick in the DEN game wasn’t the issue, it was our defense couldn’t make a stop. RT kept us in it punch for punch. I’m not saying he was amazing but you asked if he’s ever played well in a close game and in the 4th qtr. He definitely has.
I think if you can remember a specific incident it kinda says it all, no? It’s not like you have lots of choices to recall. But if I am reading this correctly, it’s once a season, if we’re being generous, no?
The problem with the dink and dunk philosophy is you have to be really good on 3rd down because you’ll need to make a lot of them. You also have to be smart on when to take your shots. Brady is money on 3rd down (best in the league this year) so it works for them. Our offense is horrible on 3rd down.
Brady’s receivers also come through in the clutch over and over and they pick up YAC.
You don’t think it’s because he knows which receiver to throw it to?
dink and dunk opens up for Brady b/c he is willing to take shots downfield
that opens up the underneath stuff
IMO we have a lack of willingness to take those same shots, until we are trailing
He rarely throws down the field and when he does he misses a lot. The Pats receivers are reliable, he has the best TE in the game and they get away with a lot of pick plays.
Yeah — Gronk is a rare game-changer……specially in the short-to mid game.
It also opens for them cause of Brady’s ability to read a bunch of receivers at once and they change the game plan almost week by week to tailor to the opponent/slash their own weaknesses. Don’t think Tanny can do the first and not sure if he is polished enough to adapt to the second.
All QBs read multiple receivers because they know the play. It seems like we’re acting like RT has trouble completing a pass and this always starts after we lose. Nobody was saying this after 18-19 283 4 TD. LOL
Some do it better than others though…..and Brady is a master.
Great Ask Mike….Mike. And yeah Wake is going to be a problem next year. All he’s got left is his pro-ration on the salary bonus. All the guaranteed money is gone. Hope we keep him in the fold, but harsh as it is he’s damaged goods now. He’s cut man walking.
So if he stays…..gonna have to be a redo for a show me contract.
I’d be surprised if he’s ready to play when the season starts. I think he’s finished here, as sad as that might be
I doubt it too…..we aren’t talking about Marino and his achilles……different position. Might depend on where he wants to retire versus how big his ego is on taking a paycut.
Look, I don’t think Tanne is great- he’s average- but I also don’t think the coaches have done everything they can to maximize his talents.
agreed.
Agreed.
You guys remember a lot more Tanny good 4th quarters than I do. I don’t have time (nor inclination) to look at stats for those games to see if Tanny actually played well in the 4th of those games, so I’ll just concede the point.
I know he has his moments, but I have series doubts he’s the guy. My overall feeling is he doesn’t play well under the spotlight or in big moments.
“My overall feeling is he doesn’t play well under the spotlight or in big moments.”
The problem is neither does the entire team.
That’s totally valid. Maybe Tanny can be better if the team gets better. I have my doubts.
Try, the routes the Pats run are simple for Brady. People say oh he wins with anyone but the reality is they always have very reliable receivers and RBs all the time. So anyone is always good for them. Edelman is very good and Gronk is the best.
I think you minimize the Brady effect. Welker, Edelman, Amendola. They are the same guy. They basically just get a quick guy and Brady maximizes his talent. Welker wasn’t great when he was a Dolphin and he wasn’t great when he became a Bronco. He was a n average undersized receiver.
I agree. Brady makes these guys better not the other way around.
You just made the point. Those receivers are the same and they’re all good. It’s not like they have no talent and Brady makes them good. Belichick went after Welker because they couldn’t cover him.
I don’t think Brady is as impressive as many people think he is. They have a great foundation in NE and the system never changes. He does his job very well, but he doesn’t amaze me with his ability, it’s the system and he’s consistent. They remind me of the great Devils teams, there are personnel changes but the results remain the same because everyone does their job.
My point is they are average receivers and Brady makes them good/excellent receivers. Brady makes the entire offense better.
randy,
while I think tanny can improve, he is what he is, and he’s our QB for the foreseeable future. So the next best thing is to put him in a scheme that he can thrive.
I actually think tanny would do well in the seattle ground and pound type offense. Make the running game the focus of the offense.
lol. so you go thru all the trouble to protect women, then they get pissed off you went thru all the trouble to protect them.
I think Tim is totally underselling Brady. He makes EVERYONE look and play better. It seems that you can plug just about anyone in in that offense with him, and they will succeed. Dion Lewis is also killing at as a Patriot, and he couldn’t make the team in CLE and PHI. Gronk is a big reason why the offense works also, but Brady never gets rattled, he knows what the defense is doing. If you hit him a lot, it makes him a little less effective, but he’s never surprised by any formation you put up against him, he knows how to dissect it.
Yeah — much bitter respect for Brady. Mind is still there and a great football one……..the watch is on for his body though. When teams know he can’t throw deep it will be different.
“bitter respect” – well put, lol
tim,
come on, they are talking again about how tanny sucks. tell them that is old news and boring and not to talk about it anymore.
‘he wasn’t great when he became a Bronco.’
that isnt entirely true. besides he was with them at the tail end of his career. i am sure most players in their last two years are so have lower stats.
He went from 118 catches and 1350 yards in 2012 with NE, to 73 and 778 in 2013 with Denver. Right around the same numbers he had when he was with us when he was in his 4th year in the league. He was average with us, he was average with the Broncos. He was stellar with the Pets.
Welker got hurt and also scored more TDs with DEN on less passes than with NE.
Guys I don’t want to get into an ongoing debate about Brady but I have always felt the situation he’s in is a huge part of his success and I’m not the only person who feels this way. The receivers Brady has are handpicked for what they do and fit exactly into what they like to do. They like small and quick over tall and fast and I’m surprised more teams don’t do the same. Edelman is not average, he’s extremely quick. The year he was drafted his 3 cone at his pro day was faster than every player at the combine. He was targeted for a reason. There’s a system in place and they keep replacing parts with the right parts.
you can say that about a lot of QBs including rodgers and manning.
Rodgers is off the charts talented. He can make throws neither Brady or Manning can make. Listen you’re not going to change my mind and I’m not trying to change yours. I’ve always felt this way and I don’t care if people agree or not but I do know quite a few people who feel the same way.
stangerx says:
November 5, 2015 at 2:24 pm
Yeah — much bitter respect for Brady.
i have no respect for him. he is a cheater end of story
By the way I’m not bitter about Brady, I’ve always felt this way about him. I hate the fucking Pats. LOL
tim,
i dont think that is up for debate. a lot of people have said brady is a system qb. just like manning has his system, rodgers has his. the only big difference is manning and rodgers didnt need to cheat
All three of them have had stability in their careers but physically Brady is the weakest of the three.
You don’t have to respect the person to respect the player.
OJ was one of the best RBs I ever watched.
finfanrob says:
November 5, 2015 at 2:15 pm (Edit)
lol. so you go thru all the trouble to protect women, then they get pissed off you went thru all the trouble to protect them.
Reply
Protect me? No. It’s more like blaming me every fucking week. ‘We can’t post naked pics because of Herd’. It pretty much sums it up. What the fuck ever. Just like a man to blame a woman for everything. I wasn’t even here and didn’t do a thing. But you’ve got no problem blaming me.
Herd — you are the bestest. 🙂
I think you’re misconstruing respect with blame. I didn’t think I had to explain myself, what I said was crystal clear.
And what you said was as reasonable as it comes.
Tim
Brady always throws those short slants and crossing routes with precision, and always leads the receiver and gives him an opportunity to make YAC. His thows are always on time, he’s got that down better than anyone. They’re not always perfect spirals, or thrown hard, but the timing is impeccable, that’s why he rarely throws INT’s.
He throws more screens and curls than slants and crossing routes.
I see an awful lot of crossing routes, I don’t know how you can say that. Almost every pass is almost a pick play.
I don’t think comparing Tanne to dilfer is a stretch- I think if dilfer would have played when qb’s by rule are max-protected, he could have done as well as Tanne- though I think dilfer had a better arm. If Tanne were to play when dilfer did. His completion % would be way lower.
When Brady had Moss he threw deep, with Gronk and Hernandez, he attacks the seams and the mid-range passes, with the little quick guys, he throws underneath. I think they have adapted to what the league offers. It’s easier to find a Welker or an Edelman than it is to find a Moss so over the years they’ve built their scheme to match. The two constants are Brady and Belicheat and Brady is the one on the field.
I’m tired of seemingly extolling Brady’s ability, lol. Fuck that douchey cheater.
I’ll talk to ya’ll later.
Let me know when you guys are done sucking Brady’s cock. LOL
When you take your Tanne doll out of your ass! lol
I’m not a big Tanny homer. I point out his short comings all the time. I also think he’s not in the best system for him.
Protect me? No. It’s more like blaming me every fucking week.
no, and thus my point. they were taking a positive stance and just saying they didnt want to post offensive pics and now they are in trouble for it.
and to boot, you know it is more then just you, it has been said over and over people read this site at work and they like it kept clean so no one gets in trouble at work.
Mike E. says:
November 5, 2015 at 2:41 pm (Edit)
I think you’re misconstruing respect with blame. I didn’t think I had to explain myself, what I said was crystal clear.
Call it what you want If it were respect I wouldn’t see complaints all the time about it and how it’s because of me.
I can’t speak for anyone else, but you have my complete respect. I know what some people want to see, and I won’t do it out of respect to you. I don’t think mentioning that is showing any less respect.
kong,
i believe with the pats wes was brady’s number 1 wr, he was number 2 on the broncos, i think. and i wont waste a second looking it up lol
Yeah the Broncos had Sanders, the Thomas’ and Welker who did have 10 TDs.
“I see an awful lot of crossing routes, I don’t know how you can say that. Almost every pass is almost a pick play.”
Mike E, those are screens/picks to clear out the underneath guy. That’s not a traditional crossing route.
Call it what you want, but 2 receivers are crossing paths, with intent to lose one of the DB’s. When you say screen, I think of a pass behind the LOS
A lot of them are bubble screens.
Agree- there are rubs and pick routes going on every play; wether they are traditional crossing patterns or not, I think the level of accuracy and skill to be successful is the same- maybe even more so.
The plays I’m talking about are not bubble screens, they’re 5-10 past the LOS, and in the middle of the field, which shortens the distance of the throw.
stangerx
16 minutes ago
You don’t have to respect the person to respect the player.
when the person is cheating to help himself as a player you do. i could careless if he cheats on his taxes or his wife with the things he does in goodell’s basement. he cheated at football to make himself a better player, how anyone can respect that is beyond me
I don’t think anyone respects his cheating. But people respect his talent as a QB.
Look, I apologize for my part in this- I was just making a stupid comment about how the BOTW has changed since its inception, something I’ve done numerous times. In truth, I really don’t care if there is ever a BOTW again, I just like giving Mike a hard time. I also have seen and heard things that I think are inappropriate knowing the makeup of this group and the various locations they may be accessing the site, and I have said so- sometimes to “boos”, sometimes with agreeing statements from others. I don’t think any intention was made to alienate anyone, although I think it’s hard not to feel that way when you’re unique among a group of people.
Try — stuff happens Fifty-some people come here…..it’s like a drunken college party — can’t always predict what goes down. 🙂
‘I know what some people want to see, and I won’t do it out of respect to you.’
mike, yes every man appreciates an attractive woman. but i think you are way wrong about what most people want to see. i am the resident perv here and i couldnt careless if there is evenr another picture of a woman on here. i think most feel the same, dont care if they are there or no.
i come here for a bit of football talk, to bust balls and laugh. if want to see hot women i will just look over to my sofa.
Tim
If that’s not a Tanny doll in your ass, what is it then? lol
There really is no way I can answer that. LOL
LOL!
You could have said your prostate check was still ongoing…
ffr,
slowly raising my hand to mike e’s question
You can basically have another tab open of anything your heart desires. I don’t think anyone here posts things to disrespect anyone.
Problem for some is it only leaves one hand to type ✊🏻
LOL Rob! OK, so what is it?
Mike E, I’m not denying the Pats set up their routes well and Brady executes. I’m just not that impressed with him physically. He’s a very good fit for them, they built this system around him 12 years ago.
I don’t think Brady has 3/4 of the phyiscal talent Tannehill has. On the other hand, I don’t think Tannehill has 3/4 of the understanding of what he sees on the field, and how to exploit it.
He hasn’t been doing it anywhere near as long either.
you mean you think tanny is prettier than brady? I beg to differ 🙂
Whoa, Herd going all Ndamukable Suhman with the F bombs….lol
Damn you guys, leave the lady alone!
no, and thus my point. they were taking a positive stance and just saying they didnt want to post offensive pics and now they are in trouble for it.
BULLSHIT FFR
That wasn’t your point at all. You make a snarky comment about women as you usually do and then try to make it into something else. I’m not that stupid.
mike
my best guess is it is a family of squirrels or a red herring
BULLSHIT FFR
That wasn’t your point at all. You make a snarky comment about women as you usually do and then try to make it into something else. I’m not that stupid.
well yeah, my snarky comment was just that. they were trying to be defensive of you and then it backfired on them. so i am not making anything else about it. they were being nice and they went and pissed you off.
Rob
Are the squirrels alive or dead?
Try Pod says:
November 5, 2015 at 3:10 pm
Problem for some is it only leaves one hand to type ✊🏻
only a problem for amateurs
Mike E. says:
November 5, 2015 at 3:17 pm
Rob
Are the squirrels alive or dead?
well mike, cant help you there. i really didnt want to get that close to tims ass to find out.
Dude 1: Hey dude, what’s that in your ass?
Dude 2: Is there really a good answer?
Dude 1: No!
Dude 2: That’s what I thought.
LOL — but there is one good answer…….colonpokey. 🙂
BoulderPhinfan says:
November 5, 2015 at 3:08 pm
I don’t think anyone respects his cheating. But people respect his talent as a QB.
well in that case then barry bonds deserves all the respect in the world as the home run king.
Tim
How did it get in there? Did you boot it in there with a shoe
LOL
Bryan Perez @BryanPerez_DB 46m46 minutes ago
There goes the #Lions team bus. Cc: @JeffRisdon @PFF_Josh
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That worked well?
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Shiot — I watched it and then it still came back after I pruned it down to same as yours…..serves me right for trying to be tech.
“Matt Darr now leads the NFL with a 50.0-yard gross average and his 42.4 net average is eighth-best.”
Kid has a leg. Still needs to learn how to do the inside 20 kick though.
this picture is crazy from a dam.
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12191000_10206767651523912_5295993894606014770_n.jpg?oh=858622fddb2baad45af6926e9627ddaf&oe=56CD0A28
Goats and sheep amaze me how they get around on cliffs and this crazy pic.
how does an animal with hoofs do that?
different angle. amazing
It seems almost impossible.
We need to run the ball effectively.
Omar Kelly @OmarKelly 2h2 hours ago
“When you get behind by two scores, and you put yourself in third & ridiculous, it’s difficult to produce,” Dan Campbell on Ryan Tannehill.
LOL @ third & ridiculous
James Walker ✔ @JamesWalkerNFL
#Dolphins interim HC Dan Campbell said defense won practice for the third straight time this week. He said he’s not concerned about the O.
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Hmm, I just hope it’s a sing the defense is improving and not the offense regressing.
^^sign^^
BoulderPhinfan says:
November 5, 2015 at 3:52 pm
how does an animal with hoofs do that?
what they dont show you is the 5,785 sheep that fell to their death doing that.
LMAO — sorta like how some ex-Phins QBs went down.