Hey Dolfans
The Dolphins took a beating on Sunday and need the sweet tender touch of Nurse Pokey.
Mike Pouncey, Rishard Matthews, Jelani Jenkins, Jordan Phillips, Earl Mitchell, CJ Mosley, Jarvis Landry everyone took some hits yesterday
But no more than you the Dolfan…
The jests fondled and groped each other to a big dominant victory.
It seems like all season we have seen some jaw dropping stat lines. This week it was rushing stats. How is this for you – Jests ran for 137 yards. Dolphins 12. Ouch
The jests finished the game with 38 points but most of them were through the air as Ryan Fitzpatrick threw for 4 TDs.
2 of those TDs were caught by “Stabby” himself. Good job Marshall – I will shank you!
The Jests gained 277 yards in the air, which is significantly less than the 351 yards the Dolphins gained in the air. But the Dolphins were trailing the entire day after failing to score with great field position on three consecutive drives to start the game.
What’s a matter feeling a little sick?
Well here is the good news. Jarvis Landry had another good day. Landry caught 13 passes for 165 yards and a TD. In a horrible season Landry continues to play hard and show he is the real deal. That’s 65 catches on the year for 651 Yards and 3 TDs. And that doesn’t even include his special teams impact or rushing yards.
There were some drops by the other receiver but rookie DeVante Parker finally made an impact and scroed a TD on a 33 yard catch with a lot of YAC. Parker finished the game with 80 yards.
Another rookie Jay Ajayi caught 4 passes for 52 yards.
On the bright side rookies like Parker, Ajayi, Douglas
, Phillips and even Good Ole Bobby McCain are seeing the field are getting some playing time and playing hard. And when you are 4-7 you need to look to the future…
Let’s keep nursing those baby Dolphins!
Oh…one more thing…bend over and get ready for the final 5 games of the season. Pokey is coming for you!
Finsmob Unleashed 
LOL, and co-parented by the granddaddy NY Giants.
Here’s an example of there being nothing in Try’s post on my screen.
Try this link, minus the “x” at the end:
That didn’t work- nevermind
Wyo, where’s Kevin Hogan on that draft list? He’s got some moxie.
In the 6-7 range
I didn’t go down that far! 😉
stangerx says:
November 30, 2015 at 1:53 pm (Edit)
And he is our QB next year no matter what people think. Real Q is whether he has brought in enough uncertainty to draft someone to develop with an eye to a future beyond him. And that might be tagged to rebuild or not.
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I don’t agree that he is our QB no matter what
Look at Seattle and the Matt Flynn situation
we can’t bring in any free agents bc of his contract (as well as the contract of others) but that is where it ends
Just can’t see us keeping his $18 mil in dead cap sitting on the bench. Only exception would be if we go QB of the future in the first or second and he works out gangbusters. But then I don’t see us going rebuild.
If you want to win and you think you have a better option
it really doesn’t matter
the salary cap is designed to make rookies cheap and vets, especially QBs , expensive
You can have a cheap rookie on the roster and a high priced vet
it doesn’t matter which one starts
it doesn’t affect the cap
eventually when you take the least amount of cap hit
you cut the vet if the rookie outplays him
we are stuck with any player based on a large contract
teams get out of big contracts all the time
Pig — but his cap hit is there whether he plays or not. And sure we could draft the next Brady in the lower rounds and if he is better he plays. I’m more concerned with what they bring in at QB for high value. I’d be shocked if they did.
randy,
i think it is a rumor, but i heard after the cheats lose last night a reported asked him the reason for the loss and i quote ‘we played fine good enough to win, but we lost because of the miami dolphins offensive line’
It was nice seeing the Denver OL pulling and trapping for Tillman & of course CJ Anderson to hit big runs that won them the game. Osweiler also got some time to wait for E. Sanders to get downfield. That WR is some talent for his size, he can go get a ball.
piggy,
Again, what are his strengths that a team can build around? He lacks in several basic QB skills. Toughness ain’t nearly enough. He puts up meaningless stats, but how does he help this team win games when it matters? He’s got a good arm, but that alone does not make a winning QB. Lots of QBs with great arms have been run out of the league because they couldn’t do the little things that win games. If we have to build a very good to great team around him for him to be successful, then how good is he, really?
LOL, do you even read the double talk you post and one dimensional slant you have? WOW.
I was just going to say why bother even posting this, he refutes anything anyone says about RT that is positive anyway. LOL
Randy — Tanny very well might be the worst QB ever for the Dolphins, the curse of the franchise for years to come.
Was thinking a guy who played on the OL might think that being tough is a positive though.
Tim Knight says:
November 30, 2015 at 1:15 pm (Edit)
Mobility, throws very well on the run even across his body, throws sharp zip line throws, can run well and is tough as nails and durable. I’ll wait for you to completely disagree with all of it. LOL
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Tim posted this the last time you asked ^
and I can’t really disagree with most of it
I think you are right about his weaknesses
I have concern that the weaknesses outweigh the strengths
but I do not have any concerns that Tanny has no strengths – I think that is a little farfetched for me
Kubiak is a real good coach that came back with more experience and even stood up to Peyton Manning. Kudos coach !
Y’all see that game winning TD run yesterday? Was it smashmouth or was it zone/pulling?
It’s about execution. Also, I think blaming Tannehill for this mess is symptomatic of confirmation bias for some, and the lack of knowledge of what’s really wrong for others. I personally don’t know how you can analyze a player on a bad team by ignoring stats, so when I look at the stats (3 TDs one INT?) I wonder how in the hell this mess is his fault.
Surely anyone with a counteropinion can see what it is I’m missing, but I’m missing it for sure. Looks like a young QB with promise to me. He can’t throw the deep ball still, but until they have confidence in that sorry OL to protect him for 3 seconds they can’t even call a 9 route. Maybe with a few more reps that play can start to connect.
All in all I see a defense that I admittedly thought would be the best in the NFL with the highest paid DL in the NFL, getting embarrassed. Every. Single. Week.
Phins run D is setting NFL records in futility, yards allowed.]
That has a major impact on the offense and vice versa. The team was poorly coached with poor systems installed and ran with the playc alling.
Lots of problems all around. The team is struggling mightily. Tanny is an easy target. People say the same thing after any loss where he didn’t play well even when we were still in the hunt so nothing changes there. People who don’t like him always pounce during tough times. It’s like he’s never played well and we’re still waiting for that one game. LOL
all we’re saying that he’s average. That’s what his rating and his win loss tells us.
Average qb is still not a bad option but you need a really good team around him to win consistently.
Randy says:
November 30, 2015 at 1:54 pm
son,
If this kid’s name was Henne, people around here would be screaming for him to be cut….except for Howie. Lol
lmao, yeah that is it. it is only cause henne was a big meanie and tanny is such a nice guy no one wants him to be fired. and for the record, i had the same position on henne i do on tanny. the team sucks. why blame just the qb when the whole team sucks
stanger,
it will be his 5th year and i think moore will be out. so yeah they do need to draft a qb next year no matter how tanny is playing
Agree that Moore will be out. Also that someone with potential will be there. Also putting at 98% that absent injury Tanny is the QB for the 2016 Phins.
Tim,
You and I see very different QBs playing…that’s been established. There’s really no room for discussion because we just see different things. That’s fine.
You’ve been a known QB hater since I saw you first on here. That’s ok, so is Omar.
I hated Henne, but happen to like Tanny with his potential.
Now it’s up to the right coaching…ie…Right system.
How many times have you seen players cut by one team and go to another team and flourish.
System? Better surrounding personnel? Or they suddenly had a magic wand pass over them?
I’m tired of hearing of tanny’s potential. Its his 4th year. I think we know what tanny is.
You also put me in with others as if I’m saying the same things about RT when we don’t all say the same things. I’m not a Tanny homer, I just don’t see as much bad about him as some of you do. I think the OL still needs work and our offense doesn’t do anyone any favors. Not just the system but the way the plays are called. It’s been atrocious. I never liked this offense. If you remember when we hired Lazor, I said I hope he’s more Joe Gibbs than Chip Kelly and that wasn’t the case. Kelly’s offense stinks too.
jahn,
i dont know if he still cant throw the deep ball. he has done it better this year. problem is they call one every 3 games. it maybe the only area of his game he has improved upon this year. well that is unless you ask randy, he may have completed a deep ball yesterday but the wr had to slow down a half step and raise his right index finger to a 48.93 angle to catch the ball so it wasnt a perfect pass
Firing Bill Lazor now is like trying to put a band aid on a slashed carotid artery
yup. keeping lazor and trying to get a top 5 pick would have been better for the org going forward.
stanger,
i think the way tanny has played this year they should be drafting a qb in the later rounds. i cant see drafting anything but O line and linebackers for 4 or 5 rounds first
I could see them bringing in a guy like Kaep though. And think CB has to be in the upper round mix too.
*fart sound*
sounds like victory
Jahn
before you get into the other issues of the team I think you have to look at the 1st QTR Yesterday
3 opportunities with very good field position
the defense help cause that
the OL didn’t play bad on those series
and we could not score a point
There was bad playcalling on those 3 series
but there was also bad QB play – a lot of it
that INT was pretty bad
To me that sort of stuff shapes the game
and the stats at the end of the day don’t mean a lot
that’s the norm with this offense. They can’t do anything in the 1st quarter. It was an issue with philbin and still an issue.
The int was bad but what kind of team can’t overcome a solitary turnover? Are we that talentless that we can’t afford a single mistake? HOF QBs like Marino and Favre were picked all the time at a much higher rate than Tannehill is. Tannehill is at a 2-1 TD to int ratio yet despite that we are 4-7. It’s not just Tannehill. I get that he didn’t have a good 1st quarter and he should be called out about it. But anyone who thinks he is the only reason why we lost or why we are what we are is sadly mistaken. This team is not very good especially if it can’t afford a single mistake.
The argument is not that he is the only reason we lost
no one ever makes that argument
but everyone defending Tanny always makes that counter-argument
We don’t have to prove everyone else played well to criticize Tanny
It wasn;t just one mistake
it was one example of a mistake
it was 3 series without a score before the jests scored
And its consistent with what has occurred all season
we’ve been horrible in the 1st qtr all season in almost every game
and Tanny mistakes are a big reason why
by the end of the game there are sacks and an exceptionally low number of rushing attempts – but a large part of that is b/c we are trailing early
Better QB play puts the whole team in a better position
poor QB plays causes the whole thing to come apart
True, but the Jests do have a really good defense. Lets not forget that. But our coaches lacked in game planning to counter that. They called the same old plans that the Jests see on film & correctly game planned for.
The deep TD pass from Brady to Boldin last nite, that seem to seal the game, was short, Boldin had to slow up and comeback to the ball. He still made the catch and broke the tackle to score.
Boldin was wide open too
I don’t know why we never have guys that wide open
stangerx says:
November 30, 2015 at 2:12 pm (Edit)
Pig — but his cap hit is there whether he plays or not. And sure we could draft the next Brady in the lower rounds and if he is better he plays. I’m more concerned with what they bring in at QB for high value. I’d be shocked if they did.
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Brady, Russell Wilson, Andy Dalton is a 2nd rounder
there are QBs to be had
I’m not saying its the move to make
I would rather focus on defense this offseason
but it can be done
a new coach might make that move – often new coaches bring new Qbs, so it would not be crazy
I don’t think Tanny’s contract makes switching QBs impossible
Nothing is impossible, but just don’t see it happening. Even if the new coach has a four-year plan or whatever, he has already has a capable QB that he has to pay big money too. If someone surprises then they do……but drafting QBs in any round is a crap shoot anyhow.
Jahn,
Exactly, everyone who was praising Tanny for playing well his first three years completely disregarded how well the team played around him and the positive impact they had on his performance. And confirmation bias? Is that like people who supported him refusing to acknowledge his limitations and that he has played badly because it goes against their opinion? It goes both ways, my friend! Drink up!
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You seem to miss all the plays he doesn’t make even when he has protection….and there are plenty. That’s just a convenient excuse for his supporters…just like it was Philbin’s fault. Lazor’s fault. His wr’s fault. His OL’s fault. But, it’s always ALL about how good Tanny is when people look at his stats.
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I’ve missed chatting with you. Lol
“It was a very hard loss. I don’t think I’ve ever been so visibly pissed off after a loss.”
Not from anyone on this board……that’s Tommy Boy.
So something good did happen yesterday.
We haven’t just lost to every AFC east rival. We’ve gotten blown out every game. I think the person picking the talent has to take some of the blame for this. Their number one goal is to compete in the division and we’re far from that.
Dolphins are the what browns and jax looked like a couple of years ago. bottom dwellers.
getterdone says:
November 30, 2015 at 2:19 pm
The deep TD pass from Brady to Boldin last nite, that seem to seal the game, was short, Boldin had to slow up and comeback to the ball.
no way, you just dont know how to watch a game. every qb hits the wr deep and in perfect stride so he can get into the endzone. it is the simplest part of the game. only tanny makes a wr adjust to the long ball. no other qb in the history of the game makes a wr adjust to the long ball
All this Tanny talk is well and good, but can we talk about the real issue that reared its ugly head in Sunday’s game?
Those outfits the Jest cheerleaders were wearing were god-awful. I get that it’s cold and they need to wear full body outfits, but what’s the deal with the dumpy bag-lady uniforms. Couldn’t they at least have been skintight? Smh, terrible.
BoulderPhinfan says:
November 30, 2015 at 2:18 pm
yup. keeping lazor and trying to get a top 5 pick would have been better for the org going forward.
i dont think getting a tip 5 pick is going to be a problem with or without lazor
stanger
When my QB can’t move in the pocket and constantly makes me look bad because he has no pocket awareness….I don’t care how tough he is because he’s bringing it on himself and making me look bad. Lol
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My point is, I don’t see his toughness winning games for us. Toughness is way down the list of traits I’d like my starting qb to have. It’s good, but there are much more important things.
That’s cool Randy, and wouldn’t argue with one bit of that. Just cause a guy is tough does not make him a good football player…..plenty of guys who were didn’t have what it took to stick in the league.
I just happen to get attached to players for more than just playing ability, and toughness is one of those character signs for me. Even if someone brings up a positive trait does not mean that the overall judgment is positive……it is only about that one trait.
The Flying Pig says:
November 30, 2015 at 2:21 pm (Edit)
Boldin was wide open too
I don’t know why we never have guys that wide open
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Our WRs are really not that dynamic with the exception of Landry is not a burner. Matthews is nice but he is not one to get huge separation. Jennings has lost a step. Parker flashed some ability yesterday but also also flashed some rookie mistakes too.
Parker is the type who can get that kind of separation due to his size/speed ration.
I disagree
its a good set of WRs and would not be a problem for most QBs or most OCs
but when you run WRs screens 10 times is limits what they can do
Landry, Matthews, Jennings, Stills and Parker is a pretty good set to work with
Boldin being that wide open was a coverage issue it wasn’t bc Boldin did something to get that wide open
the reason offenses cause coverage breakdowns is bc they give defenses so much to think about, they pick poorly and next thing you know there is a huge breakdown
but we do not do that
there is a real lack of diversity on our offense
Boulder, you can’t criticize the OL and Lazor’s offense and then say I’m tired of Tanny’s potential and I think we all know what Tannehill is. LOL
Well he was the same under sherman. He is what he is. Average.
Two weeks ago you were saying something completely different that’s why I said what I said. Now all of a sudden all those issues seem to be gone and the focus comes right back to Tannehill.
Cav:
My buddy and I were watching the game and we both turned to each other and WTF is up with those Jets cheerleaders uniforms?
LOL, good to know it wasn’t only me. I mean they don’t have to be falling out of their uniforms, but WTF were those things? lol
Ken says:
November 30, 2015 at 2:21 pm
The int was bad but what kind of team can’t overcome a solitary turnover?
i said yesterday that the dolphins d never over comes any adversity. say what you want about the int, but the jets gave up the ball at midfield and their def didnt fold. the fins give up a turnover deep in jets territory and the fins d gives up a long scoring drive.
the get a 3 and out against dallas deep in dallas territory and some bogus holding call, they give up a td drive.
talk about tanny being tough, that is something this defense isnt
ffr
The issue, for me, on that deep pass to Landry was that it cost us a TD. It was a completion, but if it had been an accurate pass, it probably would have been a TD. Tannehill costs this team points by not making throws that give his receivers a chance to score. It wasn’t a big deal for me because it was, ultimately, a completion, but it is an example of him costing us points….and he does it often.
Piggy
Agree with you on the 1st QTR. Offense stunk it up with three chances in opponents territory. We can blame Lazor for some things, but Tannehill has the ball, and makes poor decisions. He made plenty of them yesterday.
yup. Slow starts by offense has been an issue for 2 years now. Some is play call but a lot has to do with tanny.
when you factor in that Revis was out
ITS HUGE
and should not be underestimated
Revis’ replacement made the int on a horrible late throw by Tanny
That’s a backbreaking play and amateurish by our QB
You exploit the replacement – he doesn’t exploit you
then why did he wait so long to fire his ass?
Adam Beasley @AdamHBeasley
A big point of contention, I’m hearing, is that Campbell wanted Lazor to run the ball more and Lazor did not. Not at all surprising.
we ran the ball well in the Houston and Tenn games
so I think maybe the though was its fixed
Randy says:
November 30, 2015 at 2:20 pm
You seem to miss all the plays he doesn’t make even when he has protection….and there are plenty.
randy,
i want to watch a game on your tv. you tv has great oline play and it shows a much better angle of the game where you can see the whole field at the same time and all the plays that are missed. my tv is lame and shows an oline that cant open running lanes and just shows where the ball is on the field
*****paste whatever it was I said at this point 6 years ago when we all had the same argument about Henne*****
I’m going to switch sides though. So the points I pasted above, reverse it, I think the opposite this time.
Everyone was saying how good the WR group was in the offseason…some even said it was one of the best in the league….now they suck? Could it be the guy throwing them the ball? Maybe?
yes
see below
there is nothing wrong with the WR group
We may as well start blaming Mike Wallace again
this is the best set of Wrs we have had since the Marino days
or could it be that both are true? the WRS are average and the QB is average
No the WRs are good
if Tom Brady had these WRs he would be setting records
If a top 10 QB had these WRs we would be a top 10 offense
the skill positions are a strength
people just want to poo poo on everything bc of the record
that is not the way the NFl works
even bad teams have good parts
And we need to recognize those parts and build on them instead of just – lets blow it all up
God forbid you guys start insulting the WR group
Its taken me years of oinking to find a set of samurai I like
now we are going to switch them all out again
The offense is not failing to produce bc of the WRs, RBs or even the TEs
I think its mostly the playcalling, the QB and the OL
We all know they are the real reason we suck.
The Flying Pig says:
November 30, 2015 at 2:26 pm (Edit)
The argument is not that he is the only reason we lost
no one ever makes that argument
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I think there are several here who are making that argument. I am not saying you are one of them Piggy and FWIW I do think you are right that he did get off to a bad start yesterday and that was a factor. But I disagree with those who think the answer is replacing him. I think he has the talent to be a successful QB in this league. He does tend to start slow, Brett Favre was a notorious slow starter. I also think some of the problems with the slow starts is the design of this offense.
I can’t imagine they designed slow starts
but the playcalling is shit and leads to it
I don’t think anyone ever argue that Tanny is the sole reason we lost
the closest one to say that is Randy
and I don’t think he even goes that far
I’ve seen it all season when people talk about Tanny
the counterargument is – but _________ sucks too
and that is not a defense of Tanny at all
at the end of the day the team needs to know whether they have a franchise Qb or not
appearently this argument is the same arg the FO is having
I don’t think this answer is as east as it was for Chad Henne…lol
ffr
I have not once claimed our OL has played well. But, they played good enough to win yesterday. Our QB didn’t. Bad snaps yes but Tanny was getting time to throw, and no OL is gonna look good in the running game with 9 runs. Lazor sucks! Lol
Randy, I agree Tanny has areas of his game that need work. What QB doesn’t really? But he also has some skills to work with as well.
Remember how bad Steve Young sucked in Tampa, they couldn’t run him out of town quick enough.
A HC with a vision named Walsh saw the talent that he could use in his system and the rest is HOF history. 😉
As I’ve mentioned before, I think for many players, being in the wrong system can handcuff them. We see it all the time where a guy is cut or signed as a FA somewhere else and flourishes, and when it comes to bigger name FA’s, the opposite can be true.
They left the good system where they were good and end up sucking with the new team that thought they could make them special.
We see it here in Miami with most of our FA signings…LOL
‘We don’t have to prove everyone else played well to criticize Tanny’
true, but it just gets really lame and boring when alllllllll every one wants to do is bash the qb and ignore the rest of the flaws. i get it, tanny has flaws, dont know how else to spell that out, but would be nice to talk about some of the other flaws for once too. seems there has been bitching about the qb position on this team since marino left, cant we move on now
ffr — we have fired the HC, OC and DC this year.
And we can’t fire Ross.
Who else amongst the usual suspects is there to put in the crosshairs?
The Flying Pig says:
November 30, 2015 at 2:30 pm (Edit)
I disagree
its a good set of WRs and would not be a problem for most QBs or most OCs
but when you run WRs screens 10 times is limits what they can do
Landry, Matthews, Jennings, Stills and Parker is a pretty good set to work with
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Jennings is done. Matthews is a middle of the road talent. He has moments but he is not consistent and lacks the top end speed I think he needs for his game. Landry is a beast and very elusive and not a burner. Parker has the potential to be special or the potential to be Yatil Green. This group needs one true deep threat to emerge imo. That could be Parker but he needs to be on the field so he can develop.
Parker sold me yesterday. I see the future with him grabbing to dbs and Landry feasting on the rest.
Matthews is a big possession Wr and everyone should have one – speed is not essential for that
Not every needs speed, you really just need 1 speed guy to stretch the filed and we have that in stills and Parker is no slouch either
The players are getting separation
When the passes were on target as they were in the Texans game we saw Matthews get big YAC
but the passes have been off target
often behin receivers
the catch Jordan Cameron made yesterday was an obvious example
but there are a lot more where you see DBs able to make plays on the ball
more importantly the offense makes it easy to defend the receivers
everyone knows what we are doing
the wrs are fine
I would not touch that group
Jennings will probably be gone next year
Maybe Matthews too
but Parker, Stills and Landry is a good core to work with
Landry is our possession WR. Matthews really does not compliment Landry’s game. Parker can be that guy but we need him to be on the field more than he has been. Stills can be too but he dropped a couple yesterday.
Here’s an example of how Lazor is clueless. After we stop the Jets on 4th down and have good field position, instead of lining up under center and running a play-action pass down the field on 1st down which would be the play to run there, he goes to small ball as usual against a defensive front that eats up that shit.
1st down short pass to Stills for 5 yards.
2nd down outside run to Miller out of shotgun -1
3rd down incomplete pass.
4th down punt
Ever see that before? I have.
That sort of stuff catches up with you. You have to take advantage of game opportunities and we don’t do that.
I said the same thing during the game.
Randy:
I can’t see how you can say the OL played well enough to win yesterday. We only ran the ball 9 times because it was readily apparent that to continue to run would be pointless. We had to abandon it because we got no push on the Jets DL what so ever. All runs except 1 were in 1st half so it wasn’t like we didn’t try. It was just that our OL was that pathetic that it became pointless to keep doing it. So the OL essentially forced our hand to be one dimensional yesterday.
Randy says:
November 30, 2015 at 2:36 pm
ffr
I have not once claimed our OL has played well. But, they played good enough to win yesterday.
lol, yep good enough to win. those 12 yards rushing or whatever it was were what any team needs to win. why is it hard to see, the OL QB WR’s and the entire def didnt not play well enough to win yesterday. but you just want to point out the qb play then say you just dont just blame it on him.
because QB is the one that takes the blame and the glory.
stangerx says:
November 30, 2015 at 2:40 pm
ffr — we have fired the HC, OC and DC this year.
And we can’t fire Ross.
Who else amongst the usual suspects is there to put in the crosshairs?
sooooooo your point is to lest just bash the qb some more. ok, have fun with that. i will go back to talking about NLC’s
We should all pitch in to fly a banner over the Fins stadium which reads:
Fire Lazor again!!
We should fly one over about Tannehill which has the various opinions
it would set a world record for banner length
The Flying Pig says:
November 30, 2015 at 2:40 pm (Edit)
I can’t imagine they designed slow starts
but the playcalling is shit and leads to it
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It’s not that I think the slow starts are by design but I think the offense is poorly conceived that the slow starts are a result of bad play calling. Such as the example that Tim pointed out above. We get good field position and instead of lining up under center and go play action we line up in the gun and throw a 5 yard pass. It’s shit like that Lazor does all the time. Or at least I can now say did all the time.
I’ve walked away from the TV so many times saying what does it matter I’ll come back and we’ll be punting anyway. Bingo, that’s what we did. I’m so sick of it.
“The argument is not that he is the only reason we lost
no one ever makes that argument
but everyone defending Tanny always makes that counter-argument”
Piggy, fans here do question RT as the future after basically every loss. So people do make that argument all the time. I see it all the time and it’s one of the reasons I stopped blogging after games like that. I might as well just read posts from any loss any year, it’s the same thing.
The argument is never
Tanny is the reason we lost
Questioning Tanny as the franchise Qb is not an argument that he is the sole reason we lost
its just questioning Tanny as the future of the team
people make that the argument when they respond b/c people try to change the subject when Tanny is criticized to something else worthy of criticism
but its not the same thing as questioning Tanny as the future of this team
its just criticism
and he certainly desveres criticism
You don’t have to criticize every member of the team before you get to the QB
I don’t get why people make it seem that way
Look at what the topic is here today off a loss and Tannehill has been in a slump the last couple of weeks. Now we question his entire body of work and every element of his game. No that’s not happening.
So I say look around, there’s a lot of bad stuff going on it’s not just him. You can’t kill Lazor and the OL and then ignore those two things as you evaluate RT.
“The argument is not that he is the only reason we lost
no one ever makes that argument
but everyone defending Tanny always makes that counter-argument”
These are the kinds of blanket statements that end up with everyone being pigeonholed in their opinions. All I have to say in response is, we’re here talking about the QB. Whether the defenders started it by defending him (seems unlikely) or the critics started it by criticizing him is wholly irrelevant.
LOL, I just replied to the same exact statement right above you.
Lol..saw that.
I watch these things develop and see them each week
I’ve never seen anyone say we have a great OL
people play a game of hide target when Tanny’s name is mentioned
it becomes instant redirection mode most of the time
It’s been said that others teams claim we have / run about 3 basic pass plays….that folks makes it easy to defend, thus makes the WR’s & QB look amateurish against NFL quality defenses.
Now ya add not running the ball on top of all that and you get a LAME ASS Offense that can’t score.
and now taylor wants to simplify it more. LOL
We’ll bubble screen them to death on first down from shotgun with an empty backfield. Yeah, that’s the ticket, yeah!
The Flying Pig says:
November 30, 2015 at 2:30 pm (Edit)
I disagree
its a good set of WRs and would not be a problem for most QBs or most OCs
piggy,
i think it is just they have had such poor wrs the last few years anything looks good compared to what was here. i think there is lot of improvement. any team would love to have landry. the rest are just an improvement over what was here. parker is still a question mark so i am not judging him as a player. like i said yesterday, i think a wasted draft pick cause of his lack of playing time, but i dont know about his ability as a player.
Stills was an ascending player with the Saints last year
Jennings is probably over the hill
Matthews is the same type of players a lot of teams have
Parker is not on the field bc of what the others have done
the two arguments sort of fly int he face of one another – don’t they
If Parker was necessary as a draft pick, the WRs are fine
if not, then we needed to spend a pick on him
The Flying Pig says:
November 30, 2015 at 2:47 pm
We should fly one over about Tannehill which has the various opinions
it would set a world record for banner length
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lol, the plane wouldn’t be able to get off the ground. It would have to be a C-5 Galaxy.
Thanks for the tips on pictures, Tim. 🙂
I can probably carry a few of the vowels if necessary
LOL…crazy looking plane. What?.. because a giant door on either side wouldn’t work as well?
I have been in thaqt plane numerous times. It is humongous. It fits so much inside, plus it has space for more than 150 troops in the upper deck. It is awesome.
What games has he been watching? Our defense is way worst than our offense.
“Lou [Anarumo] hadn’t called a game either and he’s done a pretty good job,” Campbell said.
They both complement each other well. Together we score less than the opponent. LOL
I think what he’s saying is he’s calling the defense fine, no pass rush with 4 man, poor coverage and missed tackles by players is not on the defense called. That’s execution and performance.
Boulder, I think what Zac means by simplifying it, is hopefully running the ball a lot more & snaps from under center as well without a bunch of per snap movement every play.
BoulderPhinfan says:
November 30, 2015 at 2:49 pm
because QB is the one that takes the blame and the glory.
not here, not me. i have stated it over and over i dont get it. i even make comments when someone says ‘brady wont a SB’ i always ask something sarcastic like oh yeah how many tackles did he make on def. so that holds no water here. i actually think most on here are way smarter then that at least i hope so
I still haven’t seen one post that says “Get rid of Tanne and all the teams’ troubles will go away”, and that seems to be the argument the defenders are ascribing to the “anti-Tanne” faction.
What I couldn’t understand yesterday was when it was clear that Douglas was struggling to snap the ball out of the gun and it was affecting the timing of the passing game then why didn’t Campbell and Lazor change up to more plays under center in an effort to help out our back up OC. I couldn’t figure that out for the life of me.
Because Lazor’s offense requires that for every play we run from under center, we get to call one less running play so….
Another example of his arrogant stubborness.
Ken,
Well, that’s why I haven’t gone overboard in praise for the OL. Lol
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I bet I’m harder on the OL in my own mind than anyone here! Did they play great…no. Did they play pretty good…no. But, against possibly the league’s toughest front, they held their own for the most part. Yes, Douglas had snap issues, granted. With all that said, there were still plays to be made…especially in the first half…by our skill positions, and they weren’t made. You don’t think it’s frustrating for OL when they protect, and the QB throws a horrible INT? Also, no OL is gonna have success in the running game only running it 9 times. Lazor has screwed our OL from day one with his scheme, but all we ever hear is how bad he’s been for Tannehill. It’s been just as terrible on the OL. Again though, I expect players to execute, and our team….everyone….has not been executing.
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And, just for the record…again. I do not, nor have I ever felt, this was all on Tannehill. I just think he should shoulder more blame than most around here throw his way.
Here’s my deal with the offensive playcalling, coaching and the QB, in a nutshell. Tannehill MUST be given audible powers. Without that power Osweiller likely doesn’t lead Denver to the win last night.
Whether he is capable of handling it or not, he MUST be given it so we can see. Give the kid the rope, let him climb to great heights with it, or hang himself. Stop spoon feeding a 4th year QB.
Okay
gotta go guys
nice oinking with you
Come up with a banner we can all agree on about Tanney and I will fly it over the stadium myself …lol
I remember last year, when Philbin was non-committal as to who his starting QB was for a game, and that seemed to spark Tannehill and his play afterwards was much better. I wonder if he needs another kick in the pants.
There does seem to be a lack of urgency with him that is troubling for many of the TanneKills, including me!
ken for you
Campbell said Tannehill might play more under center, instead of the shotgun, if Pouncey is sidelined Sunday
Our WR’s are good enough to win with, we just need to get them the ball downfield more often. Like i said earlier, Landry had 13 receptions, and I’d bet if you charted where he caught most of them, they’d be between 5 and 10 yards past the LOS
“sooooooo your point is to lest just bash the qb some more. ok, have fun with that. i will go back to talking about NLC’s”
ffr — actually my point was that it was predictable. Ya got be an established name in a key role to be the “you are all to blame” guy. Maybe the best defensive move is to bring back Ireland on a short-term contract.
Randy:
Fair enough on your 2:56 p.m. post. I got no argument with that.
Try Pod says:
November 30, 2015 at 2:55 pm
I still haven’t seen one post that says “Get rid of Tanne and all the teams’ troubles will go away”, and that seems to be the argument the defenders are ascribing to the “anti-Tanne” faction.
and i still havent seen one post that says ‘tanny isnt the problem’ so why are those who admit he is part of the problem not just the only problem labeled tanny defenders
i have no idea this group always wants to make it into haves and have nots. no matter the topic they always want to make sides.
from pft.
“The contract given to Tannehill earlier this year speaks volumes about the front office’s view of Tannehill. The failure of the current coaching staff to trust him to try to win games instead of to not lose them says plenty about whether the current coaching staff will be coaching him next year.
And so for 2016 the big question becomes whether there’s a potential head coach who genuinely wants to coach Tannehill, and who has a compelling plan for getting the most out of him. The biggest challenge for the coaching staff could be figuring out how to distinguish the candidates who truly want Tannehill from those who simply want the job and who’ll say whatever they have to say to get it.”
Totally agree with Jahn about giving Tannehill audible responsibilities. If he can’t handle it then that is a valid criticism of him but he needs to have that ability.
Jahn, I agree on how to challenge Tannehill. Also I want to see him in an offense that takes advantage of his mobility more, not running, but utilizing his ability to move An offense that commits to the run and more play under center before making a final determination on him. If he can’t get it going then you move on. It’s not going to be easy to find a good QB though because it’s not easy to find them.
And, just for the record…again. I do not, nor have I ever felt, this was all on Tannehill. I just think he should shoulder more blame than most around here throw his way.
randy,
can i ask why? cause he is the qb or cause you think he is playing worse then other areas of failure?
Remember in the offseason when I questioned if we could replace Wallace’s TD production? I was told not to worry because we now had the players at WR who fit this system and fit better with Tannehill. This isn’t about me being right. It’s about expectations. Fans have all these expectations and are given hope in the offseason. Then, when they aren’t met during the season, fans wonder what the hell happened. Well, maybe it was because the expectations were unrealistic in the first place. Teams do a great job of promoting hope February thru August…and fans are more than happy to buy into it. It’s what fans do. We all wanna hope we’re gonna be good, and teams feed into that.
Well Matthews was on pace to beat all of Wallace’s numbers early on but since his step-bros death he seems to have fallen off and then got injured yesterday.
But we really have replaced Wallace’s TD production. Tannehill is actually throwing TDs at a higher rate than last year. So we have not lost out on Wallace’s TD production. We are not running for any TDs this year. But Tannehill’s TD numbers are actually slightly ahead of last year’s pace.
Thanks Boulder for the post on playing under center more. It’s about freaking time. I am not saying abandon the shot gun but mix it up more, especially when your backup center is rolling the ball your QB.
Too bad Tom, you have no idea how visibly upset fans all across the league have been pissed off when your team gets BS calls that fuck other teams. So STFU and deal with it asshole. He’s such an arrogant whiny prick.
http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/brady-i-don-t-think-i-ve-ever-been-so-visibly-pissed?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo
agreed. that’s what I said earlier
ffr
Because I’ve watched him leave plays on the field for years…..with or without the other players doing their job. I also don’t see a leader…a guy who makes players around him better…or goes out and makes plays to win….not just rack up stats in a loss. This team isn’t always losing because of him, but we aren’t winning because of him ether.
i have no idea this group always wants to make it into haves and have nots. no matter the topic they always want to make sides.
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LOL..it makes for lively debate!
That was the basis of my Hulk rant last week. We spend more time arguing with our selves and getting pissed off at one another.
So, Teflon QB gets another reprieve because everyone around him gets fired for some reason? Lol
Many here were calling for the firing of the coaching staff last year and it had nothing to do with RT. But now it’s about him and not the other 52? No that doesn’t happen here. LOL
Or more likely because he has enough talent to make it so that he is not easily replaced. Fact of the matter is there really isn’t a great QB in this draft and the FA and or trade market for QBs doesn’t look that enticing either unless you really think Kaep is a better deal. Right now for better or worse you have a QB with a 2-1 TD to int ratio and he is likely going to get at least 1 more year to show he is the guy.
Randy says:
November 30, 2015 at 3:23 pm
So, Teflon QB gets another reprieve because everyone around him gets fired for some reason? Lol
its your comments like that that make you lose face with everyone.
and ok, i get your 3:15 post. i just hate the comment that he gets blamed more cause he gets the credit when they win. but you at least have your reasons even if they are wrong LOL
“Sometimes we’re getting [the calls] and sometimes we don’t,” Brady said.
i think that comment right there is proof the cheats know they have the refs in their back pocket. i dont think i have ever heard another player say that sometimes they get calls. they may say sometimes they get the breaks but to openly say sometimes they get the calls. ‘the calls’ no dick head, they are penalties. not ‘calls’ they are just calls for your team cause, not sometimes, 99% of the time the refs are making it a ‘call’ cause it isnt a penalty it is some ‘call’ they make in favor of your team
TanneKill: “Tanne poor pocket.. bad deep ball.. poor placement…” etc.
TanneShill: “But o line.. play calling.. different regime…” etc.
If the argument is that the ‘kills only seem to want to talk about what Tanne does poorly without discussing any mitigating circumstances, then I understand the ‘shills point (though I don’t agree with it, as the ‘kills I know of will also talk about the other issues, albeit with not as much fervor or frequency).
I think we can all agree that we are stuck with Tannehill for good or ill through next year; but I do not think it is a bad idea to bring someone in who makes him feel as if his seat is “hot”, potentially challenging him for the starters’ spot next year or thereafter ( I know- easier said than done).
Fair comment imo. I am all for drafting a QB in the mid rounds next year. I don’t see drafting somebody too high because I don’t think it is a great class but a mid round guy who we can develop for a year or 2 and/or replacement for Matt Moore makes sense to me.
A rookie mid rd pick is likely to have a lot of flaws and won’t be ready to play if ever. It’s hard to hit on those guys in any role.
We need to have somebody to develop who can eventually take over the Matt Moore role. You can’t keep paying a back up QB a high salary especially when you pay a DT what we pay Suh.
ffr
Lol. I lose face with everyone? Really? Like that matters around here. Everybody here thinks they know what they think they know. I trust what I know about football…whether or not anybody here agrees with me….just like everyone else here. I don’t worry about losing face. My track record speaks for itself….for good or bad. It is what it is. But yes….sometimes I go a little overboard to get people going…sue me!
We lined up under center a few times yesterday, did we run it once from under center because I know we passed out of it and ran mostly out of shotgun which was only 12 times. Even if we did a couple of times, isn’t that weird?
“We have to find a way to become a more physical offense. We need more of a physical presence. How ever we establish that, that’s what I’m looking for. I don’t think we scare anybody in the AFC East and that bothers me. We need to find a way, even if it is two yards and a cloud of dust. … I am a more run-oriented person.”
No QB they draft this next draft is gonna get the practice reps to be a serious contender as a starter…unless Tannehill completely fails early on. I don’t see us picking a QB until the mid to late rounds, if at all….especially given we’re hearing the FO loves Tannehill. This team has way too many holes to fill. If that’s the case, how realistic is it for a mid to late round QB to step in and play? Most of those guys are big question marks and/or projects. I just don’t see it unless Tannehill really sucks.
A mid to late round pick is not unrealistic for a back up QB. Especially considering that Tannehill has been very durable and we are unlikely going to be in a serious position to contend next year anyways.
Ken, Moore only makes $2.5M per. That’s not really a lot. I think we’d be better off signing a QB like a younger Moore who has some playing experience and ability.
Compare with that rookie minimum for a mid round pick and we just cleared almost 2 million dollars in cap space.
I’m taking into account competence as well.
I think backup QB is the one position you don’t skimp on. Pay a little extra because they have more value than any other backup on the team. They could be the difference between keeping your team afloat or going under if your starter goes down.
If you are in a position to contend I agree. But when you are in rebuild mode no point in paying a back up QB big dollars. I would rather draft somebody mid round and develop them. This way you can save some money and you can develop a guy for future trade value.
Len,
My bad…yes, as a backup, I thought folks were talking about a replacement for Tannehill. Tough to find starting QBs after the first couple rounds.
Oops…now I’ve pissed off Len too. Lol
Ken, you know with our luck we’ll be on pace for a good season next year, Tanny will be playing really well, he’ll go down and 5th round Buster McGoo will come in and kill the entire season. LOL
If any team’s starting QB goes down for an extended period of time their season is likely over. The Colts this year are an anomaly because their division is so bad. In reality all you can ask for out of a back up QB is to give you 2-3 starts where he will play competitive ball. To expect anything more out of a back up QB is not realistic. I also don’t see us realistically competing next year so I would rather develop somebody and use those 2 million dollars to fill another hole on this team.
That’s true.
Just because it’s hard to “hit on a qb” does not mean you don’t try. Wasn’t it Ron Wolf who would spend a late round pick nearly every year when with the packers? And that was when qb’s had to be tough and competent. Now with modern rules and a continuing emphasis on protecting qb’s, it should be (relatively) easier to find competent.
*just competent
So who is this Len guy that Randy is talking to? LOL.
Try Pod:
That’s a bingo on Ron Wolf. He believes in drafting QBs in mid to late rounds with a high rate of frequency. He has developed a number of guys that way that have either been valuable backups or have gone on to pay trade dividends as well. I think we should do the same.
Very few teams keep 3 QBs these days though. Things have changed a bit since Wolf was in the league.
Welcome to the blog, Len!
What do you think of Tanny?
CavalierKong says:
November 30, 2015 at 2:51 pm
The Flying Pig says:
November 30, 2015 at 2:47 pm
We should fly one over about Tannehill which has the various opinions
it would set a world record for banner length
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lol, the plane wouldn’t be able to get off the ground. It would have to be a C-5 Galaxy.
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my buddies little brother is with a squadron in michigan that provides support to afganistan/iraq. they drop supplies which includes fuel pods 8-9000 gallons parachuted to small bases instead of driving to isolated forward operating bases(fob)I think they have a website facebook website that I think is called airborne mobility command it has many cool pics.
http://www.amc.af.mil/
ken,
so, according to campbell if pouncey plays we’re not gonna run it from under center as much??
I’m not saying we should be under center all the time but 30 percent of snaps should be from under center regardless of who plays center. We take a way play action passing and that’s how you get chunk yardage.
This team never gets it right. With henne we were never in shotgun. Now we’re never under center. Its one extreme or another. WTF.
LOL
randy, this FO has said they love the QB from memphis. I think he has a 1st round grade.
He’s going to Cleveland. Definitely top five.
Who said this and where?
Earl Morrall
What is the middle ages?
LMFAO!
Tim
Mike T said it while taking a bubble bath last Wednesday morning
LMAO!!!!!
Was it at the facility or Bill Parcells’ house?
Jahndoh30 says:
November 30, 2015 at 2:54 pm
LOL…crazy looking plane. What?.. because a giant door on either side wouldn’t work as well?
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LOL, Jahn, that’s because that transport plane carries Tanks & Choppers, etc.. Hard for those to come thru the side and make a turn. 😉
Lol. Sorry, Len….wherever you are.
Tim Knight says:
November 30, 2015 at 4:58 pm (Edit)
Very few teams keep 3 QBs these days though. Things have changed a bit since Wolf was in the league.
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Wolf very rarely kept an experienced back up. He would keep a guy like Matt Flynn on the roster and when he had to use him a handful of times he got enough to warrant the investment in him.
Look at Washington with Kirk Cousins. Drafted one guy to start and one guy to be the back up in the same draft. Now it in a little different order than what was originally intended.
I guess.
Do any of you even look at Tanny as a leader? Cause he isn’t one…he has no fire in his eyes and reminds me way more of the robot Chad Henne. His stats get padded in garbage time. Is it his fault we suck? No but he is part of the problem….this team lacks talent and depth all over and has no leader (s).
Same thing used to be said about Eli Manning. Not that I am saying Tannhill is Eli but not sure if that is a fair criticism or not. Some of it is perception some of it could be real.
Tim
At his house. Hickey, ManCampbell and Armando were all in the tub together. It was a group bathing session, like the Turkish Bath houses.
LOL
Turkish bath houses just seem so creepy. I’m not a fan of hanging around with others during the bathing phase. Hey dude, does my ass look clean? No thanks. LOL