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Randy says:
December 14, 2015 at 11:50 pm
I get that our defense didn’t play well, but we gotta put up more points against this putrid Giant’s defense. Sometimes, the offense just has to go out and win a game. 24 points against this defense? Not good enough.
ok yeah. but why? why isnt it a team loss. besides did anyone see much of miller in the second half. it is like ok, you did good enough not sit down. and i have no problem saying the o had their shot in the fourth. the d got them good field position. and then landry with a stupid penalty
mike
lol i just said that too. i didnt see him in the second half. i blame herd and her fantasy team.
Well night guys. At least its officially over now
son of a son of a shula says:
December 14, 2015 at 11:52 pm
Ok I’m not gonna play the rob cut and paste game night all
finally another who is abandoning the reply
Randy:
How about our D should not let the Giants putrid running game run the ball all over us? Yes we have to score more but we should also stop the other team too.
Ken,
I think Tanny had an okay game…not a great game. He didn’t lose the game for us, but he really didn’t make the plays to win either. For instance, the throw to Cameron wouldn’t have been a TD, so…good play if it worked, but it still wasn’t really a scoring chance. The throw he missed to Landry would probably have been a TD, there was nobody behind Landry. Points left on the field when the play is there to be made. He does that more often than not.
I think that is an unfair criticism. He missed the throw to Landry. Every QB misses some he shouldn’t have. He made a lot of throws tonight and Sims likely dropped what would have been a TD pass in the first half. Parker let him down. There were plays there he was making. Hard to blame for the 4th quarter where the Giants ate up the clock and the D couldn’t get the ball back.
Parker has a lot to learn too. OBJ is 100X the player Parker is, and he was 100X better immediately, right out of the box.
Ken
Our defense is just awful, pathetic, but I expect more from our offense, because we have the horses. We just don’t get it done.
wow, changed the channel and just saw a gruden commercial supporting the don shula breast cancer research. ok maybe i dont want the guy to die. good for you did something right
Ken,
Yep, the defense didn’t have a great game, but don’t you think the matchup of our offense against their defense is something we needed to exploit? Did we? The Giants offense is actually okay, so it wasn’t like our defense was giving up points to a horrible offense. But yes…both sides of the ball needed to play better. I won’t defend anybody on this team anymore! Lol
The D is putrid but at what point does this offense actually do their job? We are at the end of the year and this offense looks like shit. We have some talented guys out there but they aren’t getting it done. Tannehill HAS regressed and is there an answer next year? Can we find the answer with an owner that never is decisive when it comes to finding talent?
This team is nothing but disappointing. Landry needs someone to get in his face for this bullshit week after week. Tannehill needs to get his shit together and we need a secondary and LB corp worse than Dallas needs Romo.
Randy says:
December 14, 2015 at 11:55 pm
Ken,
I think Tanny had an okay game…not a great game. He didn’t lose the game for us, but he really didn’t make the plays to win either
but that is who he is. that is the majority of the qbs in the league. i still just dont get wanting an elite qb. the had one for years and didnt win anything. time to build a team. enough waiting for another elite qb. besides with one that doesnt mean the will win a sb
new age.
but, i mean you have too, wait i mean look at. ok what you said was spot on. cant argue any of that lol
hey, they still didnt fuck up a top ten pick. lol. not that they will get one right but who knows
Ken,
But, you point out the game changing plays that our WRs didn’t make and how they impacted the game. The same can be said for a QB who misses a throw. That was a huge miss, and it was a bigger game changing moment than any you brought up because those others weren’t really scoring opportunities.
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Anyway, another ugly team loss…nothing changed for me even if we’d won this game. I’m going to bed to cry a little. Night fellas.
Congratulations TO STEVE ROSS FOR HIS 7th Consecutive NON-WINNING SEASON of Dolphins football! – – This, of course, extends his previous record of 6 consecutive non-winning seasons!! I’m guessing this seals Campbell’s fate. Predict Campbell will end up on the staff of a WINNING franchise while CAMPBELL’s replacement will lead us to YET ANOTHER non-winning season!!!
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LIKED SEVERAL THINGS I saw tonight. Balanced Miami offense. But they could NOT overcome the dreaded 12 penalties for over 100 yards, something I said a few days ago they HAD to avoid!! – – Bottom line: T-BAUM spent hundreds of millions of Ross’s money and got a TEAM THAT WAS WORSE THAN LAST YEAR’S TEAM!!! – – AND, IF YOU BELIEVE THE REPORTS, ROSS IS GOING TO KEEP TANNENBAUM AROUND FOR MORE YEARS!!!!
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UN-FUCKING BELIEVABLE!! NO GOOD, SUCCESSFUL, COACH WILL COME HERE TO TAKE ORDERS FROM T-BAUM, JUST AS NO GOOD, SUCCESSFUL, COACH WOULD COME HERE TO TAKE ORDERS FROM IDIOT IRELAND!! HAS ANY OWNER SPENT MORE AND GOTTEN LESS OVER THE LAST 7 YEARS?? ROSS NEEDS TO CLEAN HOUSE, AND THAT INCLUDES KING CARL, T-BAUM, AND ALL HIS TOP ADVISORS!!
Did we sack Manning tonight? I don’t think so.
OV came real close, but I don’t believe so. That’s why he was 30-33, or whatever he really was. Not enough pressure.
Goodnight! Sucks to be a Dolphins fan.
I REPEAT: MIAMI WILL NEVER WIN A PLAYOFF GAME AS LONG AS STEVE ROSS OWNS THE TEAM. —Good night, long (soon to be LONGER) suffering Dolphin fans.
FFR,
I think one problem with Tannehill is he was drafted too high for very average. He has extremely comparable stats to Fitzpatrick but wasn’t picked late in the draft. Carr was drafted in the 2nd and he’s tore the league up this year and it didn’t take five years to catch on. Tannehill is also playing comparable to Cousins and Hoyer but we sure didn’t draft that high for a Hoyer.
I am out. Everybody bitch at Tannehill. FWIW I don’t think he is beyond criticism but not in this game. I liked what I saw from him today. He audibled well, he moved in the pocket really well. His TD to Stills was a beautiful throw in stride. His lowest moment was missing Landry. But he had many good ones and was not helped out by some piss poor efforts by Sims, Parker and Williams in particular. If anything I take away from tonight’s game is that Tannehill is just fine. Fix some of the other problems especially in the secondary and run D and we can compete. Also find a play caller who will continue to run in the 2nd half. This is game is not on Tannehill but let the haters hate.
With that I am out.
TOTALLY AGREE, KEN. I think this offense can still improve. But as long as T-Baum’s making the BIG decisions, this franchise will lack the overall talent necessary to win in this league.
new age,
i was lectured over and over about ginn, that it wasnt his fault where he was drafted. so i do get that. but coming out of the draft we all knew tanny was a reach. but again i say. the fins had the best passing qb ever. and they still never won a sb. i get a lot of hopes on tanny. but i am tired of waiting or thinking it is just a qb. hell ever rodgers, manning or brady dont win a sb every year. it takes a team. i get tanny isnt going to be elite. i get that and he has flaws. so just build a team. they had marino. i dont think there is more proof then that that it takes a team to win a sb
and we can all say, no one knows but tanny had his hands held back for years. i give the coaches who did that know way more then me. maybe they saw in practice he couldnt be allowed to audible i dont know. wasnt there. but tonight when he had a chance the scored. i wont make that my basis for judgement it was just one play and who knows if he ever did or not. but going by what we all read he didnt have the option. he did it tonight and it worked i dont think any of us had seen that before
Is Suh still standing there watching the game?
Lol
FFR,
You are completely right and he’s here for the next few years anyways. I’d like to think we could build around him but not hopeful at this point.
A couple of thoughts as our season is now mercifully over:
1. As I mentioned a few weeks ago, Grimes has severely declined this season. It looks like he is close to done. He has been owned in way too many games this season.
2. The investment in Suh was a complete waste of money that may handicap us for years. It’s not his play that is a waste IMO, but the play of the defense overall. We need to get this defense to where it needs to be in the next year(not going to happen) or two to make that signing worth it. We could have signed JAG, and it would have made the same difference with the way the defense is playing; they are awful this season.
3. Tannehill is way too inconsistent this season. He made a few nice throws, but again couldn’t make them in crunch time when the game was on the line. He was missing high last night, and again he had a lot of short passes that got his completion percentage up. 236 yards at home against the NFL’s worst pass defense? Not acceptable.
Was a bitter loss. I feel bad for Campbell now. The players clearly love him and I think he has a lot of the great leadership qualities to be a good HC in this league.
But he’s an interim coach thrust into a bad spot that he didn’t create with a still flawed defensive system (no blitzes & soft coverages), questionable personnel on OL, LB,, DB, and Depth that just isn’t able to overcome injuries to key starters.
Sadly Campbell is likely done in Miami, and ‘maybe’ rightly so due to experience level & being able to attract a top supporting coaching staff for the long haul if/had he won the permanent job.
We’ve got 70% of salary cap invested in 2 players that are not making the impact their salaries imply they should be making.
70% is obviously wrong (it’s closer to 27% next year). The point is, 2 players eat up a 1/4 of the available money which leaves you .75 to pay the other 51 players. But how do you keep the Millers, the Jones’, the Landrys or attract the mortar players that fill the gaps?
Still can’t believe that Miller had 69 yards on 10 carries and 2 TD’s in the 1st half, and only gets 2 more carries the rest of the game. How does this happen OVER AND OVER again? No matter who the HC is, no matter the who the OC is, it’s the same ridiculous shit over and over again. Our defense is atrocious, and our offense is toothless in the hands of idiots. We run the ball so well, so we go 5 wide the rest of the game. BRILLIANT!
Agreed. Miller had a 7.4 YPC. Plus going empty backfield so often at the wrong time & game situation expecting our shoddy OL to give Tannehill any time. Blitzers came free too often…..or we’d dial up the bubble screen that other teams read & see coming by our crap formations.
I would like for the Dolphins to get Sean Payton, clean all the other crap out of the system, and be willing to commit to him for a complete 4 year cycle.
^ This, or someone like Payton. Gotta have some stability here with quality coaches.
Try
Not to be argumentative, but the QB is usually the guy that gets paid the big bucks. That’s not an aberration. Paying $27M for a DT, IS an aberration. He’s a very good player, but we can see that he alone doesn’t make this defense. Get a proper coach I here, and #17 can be better.
I agree. Tanny isn’t perfect, but he’s something that can surely be put in better situations.
Suh is solid at times, but not worthy of being the #1 paid defensive player in the NFL by far.
Over $100M for Suh’s entire contract. Last one that was like that, although different yielded the same results. FAIL!
That’s fine, but did we commit to the right QB? And yes, I get the argument that you have to commit to one, and you have what you have, and what else is there..
And in the context of my whole contention, which also includes how do you attract and keep talent when you have average play at the premier position but pay it like it’s elite? If you have elite talent, or at least the next level down, then you can attract those people or keep the ones you develop that might otherwise bolt specifically for a better contract.
I get angry with myself after these games that I waste my time on this team. The first half had so much promise, I thought we would come out on top. We need to upgrade at so many positions, I think it will take 4 years to do it.
Was Miller injured or something? I really don’t get that either. I was joking about the FF football thing because I really thought I was out of it and I would have been if they had kept playing him.
I think our coaches are injured. lol
Try
When you watch football, you hear things over and over. You look at Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Joe Flacco, they’ve had the same HC since they started. Tanny, despite the fact that I think Joe Philbin wasn’t a good HC improved each year here, until we neglected the O-line, and stubborn Lazor decided to impose a 15 carry per game maximum. I know most feel differently, but I don’t think it’s fair to judge Tanny on this season. we have no stability here, and that’s going to change again next season, hopefully for the better.
I don’t understand- what does fair have to do with anything? And on this season, that’s fair, but what about last season? Or the season before? Or the one before that? Or a combination of season? If we all got evaluated on a season by season basis, that would be great, but we don’t. Our history is collected and evaluated and a decision is made. And again, as a QB tanne is ok, but do you think players not in the organization want to work with him, or even those here? Are people going tosign here when they know he is the qb? So you now have to build through the draft. You develop talent (Landry, say). Do you get the sense Landry will want to stay here if Tanne is the qb because he’s the qb? Many seem to think Miller will want to bolt. Do you think if Miller felt ore comfortable with the offensive direction he might think twice?
Mike E, I agree. We looked good the 1st half and seemed on the way to a good game planned Win mixing the run in early.
We let the Jints back in the game on defense with the 2 min drill to end the half tied 17-17.
Then we had to kick to them to start the second half. But we actually got a good defensive stand & got off the field pitching a 3 & out.
Tanny then hits the beautiful pump fake deep 47 yard strike to put us up 24-17.
Sadly our defense then crumbled the rest of the way. Suh was standing around watching the game.
Jints spotty OL showed the NFL how to nullify him or they already saw it from many of our other previous opponents.
The lack of good blitzes also drive me insane, along with the CB’s giving too much cushion even after seeing Eli getting rid of the ball within 2 seconds most of the game.
Poor adjustments!
How is that we end up throwing the ball 41 times? WHY????? We haven’t won YET doing that, and yet, we do it over and over again. Manning threw 31 passes, completing 27 against our fucking joke of a team. We ran the ball down their throats the first half, and then packed it up, and put it on the bench so we can line up 5 (underwhelming WR’s except Landry) Parker is a disappointment.
GDP
I don’t know man, there were times 2 and 3 guys were blocking Suh, where the hell are the 3 other guys on the DL? Suh was on the field a lot, maybe he shouldn’t have been, but it seemed like we were shorthanded due to Mitchell and Mosely being out. Did Coples not ply last night? I didn’t see him
I didn’t see Coples. Now we really look bad having dumped Francis thinking we were deep at the time….SMH
Mike,
I think there was 7 dropped passes too, according to Mando. The empty backfield formations sooo piss me off. It tells the defense, hey, you can jam our receivers & blitz us throwing the timing off of the whole designed play….and they were right!
We played ourselves right into the Giants hands by doing that, did them a favor. It disgusts me to think about what I saw last night.
Yep. That’s why I kept saying over & over that the 2 systems on both sides of the ball are very flawed in Miami…and we see the results even when we execute it well on some plays and can get a lead on a opponent that has issues.
The systems we run keep putting the team into bad spots that other good coordinators can adjust to and begin to exploit over our very green coordinators that we had/have!
Try
Tannehill improved each and every season until this shitstorm. This season he’s taken a little step backward, not a huge one, just a little off from last season. The team is considerably worse than last year, so why should the QB be better?
It’s fine to see things differently- but I’m not the only one who sees it this way. I don’t think he makes people want to play here.
What gives you that impression? I honestly believe that there are quite a few HC’s that wouldn’t mind having Ryan Tannehill to work with. I don’t see your angle that players look at Ryan Tannehill as a negative.
I can’t explain it any better than I have. He is not a draw to other players. I don’t know that he is a draw to active coaches, just those that used to coach but will never come out of retirement to back up their assertion he is top notch-type. And when I say other people feel as I do, I’m not necessarily saying NFL-types, as they don’t confide in me- I mean others on this board, who are just as educated as those on the board who don’t see Tanne as a problem.
We had the lead 3 different times on the Jints. At some point your defense needs to help you stay out in front, impose it’s will. Giving up near 400 yards and over 30 points again just isn’t a winning formula for any team regardless of who their QB is.
Same with having 12 penalties for 123 lost yards in losses that seemed to come at the most inopportune times….again, not a winning formula regardless of who your QB is….smh!
How many times in the offseason did I say we need to fix the O-line? The same people killing Tannehill want to draft a QB, DE, LB, CB and neglect the O-line again, while Tannehill, or the next unlucky recipient of this shitty O-line gets hammered!
Try, I have to agree with Mike E here.
How could other coaches or players not want a QB like Tanny that can run, has a strong arm, passes for around 4,000 yards annually with a 2+:1 TD/Int ration, and who gets drilled into the ground time & time again, yet gets up and keeps grinding with them?
2+:1 TD/Int ‘ratio” not ration ^^^ lol
I never expected you to say otherwise- talk about anti-climactic! LOL
Try
I need clarification. Are you saying that prospective WR’s aren’t drooling over Tannehill, or that they won’t to come here?
He’s saying that & HC candidates as well, and even players on our team that are coming up as FA, that they’ll bolt cause of Tanny. I don’t get it unless everybody thinks they’ll end up on the Pats or Packers. 😯
I’m saying that, looking at the landscape of teams and their qbs, do you think an offensive (or defensive) player looks at the Dolphins and says, “I’d like to play there”. Doesn’t mean they wont play here, but he does not draw them. All things equal, of the average/mediocre qb’s, if money is the same do you think a player chooses Miami because Tanne is here? Does Flacco draw people? Ryan? Luck? I think your qb at least needs to be a reason you’d like to play some place or choose to stay. I know other teams are in the same boat, but I don’t care about other teams.
And I don’t want to belabor the point. I expect the ‘shills (Tim, GDP, Ken, etc.) will see your opinion and that the ‘kills (Pig, Bat, Randy, etc.) will be more open to mine, even if it is a little bitter because of last night’s performance. It’ll get us nowhere and we’ll still be in this position this time next year, unless he is hurt, in which case we will go from mediocre to more-than-likely less than mediocre.
In support of your point, the NFL play is much worse than in years past, so in that respect I am holding Tanne to an unrealistic standard. I just don’t understand how one can play like this when the rules are enforced in such a way as to make you as successful as you can possibly be- if this were ten or more years ago, he’d be broken by now.
We also don’t have a dynamic receiver on this team. Landry, when healthy is close, but nobody else make things happen out there. Maybe in time Parker will become that, but no one on our team is even near the talent of OBJ
Parker was that big bodied leaper & possession WR we really needed, so I see drafting him….but man he’s off to a sloooooow start as being anything worthy of a #1 WR.
FALSE START, #63 on the offense, 5 YARD PENALTY, REPLAY 1st DOWN. How many fucking times did we hear that last night??? Yeah, this O-line is trash. Jason Fox held JPP on every play, the officials just got tired of calling it.
I also saw Thomas chasing his matchup deep into our backfield over and over, or standing around on running plays not in his direction.
Turner also isn’t disciplined either….UGH!
It’s TIM’S fault! lol
Try, LOL @ me all you want. I never said Tanny is an elite QB. Only about 3-4 truly are in the NFL right now. He does have things in his game that needs improvement, no doubt.
But get real with the nobody wants to play with Tannehill. That’s plain silly! Especially when you look around the league at other struggling teams with & without proven/good QB’s.
I was LOL’ing at your statement, not you personally. I was not the least but surprised by it- i expected you felt that way.
You’re calling people who don’t share your opinion of Tannehill ‘shills.
Because any time someone says anything that could be the least bit critical of him, there is a group that comes out and defends him by pointing out all the other problems on the team as a way of deflecting. If that is not the definition of a Shill, I don’t know what is.
And I’m not calling people who don’t share my opinion “‘shills”, I’m calling those who feel compelled to defend him anytime something critical is said about him ‘shills. But I get your point. I will not assign individuals to a group based on my perspective anymore- i know better than that.
What players have refused to come here because of Tannehill? Last I checked we have gotten the top FAs the last several years
It’s a silly debate really and I’m sure borne out of utter disappointment of the field team in general. I’m highly disappointed as well.
Sucks being meaningless for the next 3 weeks while watching other teams with something to play for….OUCH!
That is not what I said- I said he is not a draw, not that people don’t come here. I don’t get it, but some people actually like to live in Miami.
Try > “Does Flacco draw people? Ryan? Luck?”
Yeah, when they had good teams & coaching around them that made them attractive.
Now look at them, meh, not so much.
I don’t understand- you are saying one bad season and people don’t want to play with them, but then also say that because Tanne has several average seasons that does not make people less likely to want to play with him?
No, I didn’t say 1 bad season and people don’t want to play with a certain QB. Just pointing out that like Tannehill, other QB’s can have bad teams around them & coaching that begins to fail.
Other coaching candidates & players can clearly see Tannehill isn’t the reason that the Phins are missing the playoffs.
If he was hurt all the time, or had more INT’s than TD’s & could never pass for more than 3000 yds then ya might have an argument.
Stats don’t mean anything if you don’t consistently win. Aren’t his stats currently comparable to Cam’s? Yet given the choice, I think most would prefer Cam the player (not the ass-monkey that comes with him) over Tanne.
Cam has really improved under Shula, so yes, it’s easy to say we’d want him here, along with his running game, defense, & HC Rivera, who was nearly ran out of town until they promoted Shula to coordinator & improved the personnel where they were weak.
You’re giving Shula the credit? Isn’t it possible Cam would have gotten here if he had not had Shula?
Nevermind- this is a new path I don’t have the desire to go down at this point. And it is not related to what we we talking about.
I’m still frustrated over last night’s loss. WTF is wrong with the water in Miami? Is there some rule that says we can’t run the damned ball? Miller averages 7.4 a carry and gets 12 attempts the entire game, and is non-existent in the 2nd half?!
And will somebody slap some sense into Landry. I don’t care how much talent you have, how many stupid, critical penalties ado you have to get before you figure it out?
Landry & OV have cost us close games with personal fouls / unnecessary roughness call.
Yeah, OV has had a couple of bad ones too. Was it the JAX game that he got one at the end to seal it for the opponent? I wonder where we rank against the NFL on personal fouls called. Probably not as bad as BUFF, but I’d bet somewhere near the bottom.
You have to respect Miller. This has been going on for some time now, and I haven’t heard or read one thing about Miller being a sourpuss, or having a bad attitude. Compare that to Landry who bitches about his touches during/after a win. It wouldn’t surprise me if Miller bolts this team after this year regardless of our offer.
It’s maddening. He’s really developed into what could be an elite RB in the NFL.
His core is the 3 main elements I look for. Vision, balance, speed…plus has been durable.
He’s also improved on his blocking & receiving skills. Would be ashame to let a homegrown drafted player like that leave.
He also doesn’t fumble the ball. Just the one against BALT, I believe.
You’re a good guy GDP- I think your heart is in the right place even when I don’t agree with you. I can’t say that about everyone, including myself most times. I appreciate your level-headedness.
Thanks, we’re all human. I have my ups & downs, my wrongs & rights.
BTW, yes I give credit to Mike Shula on Cam. Seen many articles where Cam gives credit to Shula over and over. He was his QB coach, and now OC since 2013 when they’ve turned things around.
Cam says Shula is putting him into the right situations and using him in the way where he can get the most out of him & the offense.
Good coaching can do that for a talented athletic player that responds to that coach.
Lol, I’m not sure why I’m so ticked off. I thought I wanted us to lose out and get a better draft pick, but I was entirely invested in the game last night. SMH, I don’t even know my own mind when it comes to this team.
It’s frustrating to know we’re starting over yet again next year. New staff, questions all over the team.
Are we really “starting over’, or will we continue to perpetuate mediocrity?
Hard to say. We’ve started over a few times and here we are again….sucks.
Lol, when you put it like that….that is a fair question.
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To answer your query, I’d say there are about 100 other reasons that would deter some player for wanting to play here before Ryan Tannehill’s name came up. No stability, coaching carousel, no heart, no defense, bad salary cap, perceived poor ownership, etc etc etc. I don’t believe in any way, shape or form is Tannehill a deterrent, but that’s me. I see other teams with far less talent at the QB position signing free agents. BTW, draft picks HAVE to play for your team. 🙂
I tried to cover that, by mentioning the talent you develop. Eventually, they have to be resigned, and if they don’t buy into the qb…
I really think a talented person, when given options on where to take their talents, particulalry if they are an offensive weapon, will have the qb they will be playing for amongst their first thoughts…
I think with Landry and the penalties, it’s frustration. Just think about it. You work hard, you not only do your job but you are very good at it, and the company you work for is too stupid to do the right things and the bottom line suffers. Are you frustrated?
Hopefully he gets it figured out, because he’s too far too talented to keep doing this and hurting his team.
Herd
He’s compounding the issue though. His mistakes added to the teams mistakes really hurt the team. He has to keep himself under control in that regard.
A consummate professional puts team first / company first over individualism & frustration.
One should think, how can I improve this team / company even more and what can I not do that hurts that team or company.
I get it that everyone is frustrated with last night’s loss but I am really not. I saw exactly what I expected last night. We would move the ball vs. Giants D but in the end we had no answer defensively for Beckham. That game went almost exactly the way I anticipated it. There was no way we can stop Manning or Beckham with our putrid D. We moved the ball on O. We put up 24 and we should had more but for drops and fumbles and a missed throw or 2 but we are never going to win when we let the Giants run the ball like they did and when you let a QB like Eli have all day to carve you up.
C’mon Ken/Hulk! Get angry! How can you not be pissed that Miller had 70 yards and 2 TD’s in the first half, and then just 2 carries in the 2nd half? It’s not that we didn’t score enough points, it’s fucking WHY we didn’t. I’m out of my mind that no matter who is in charge of play calling here decides to stop running the football at any given point of a game. Por que?
I completely get the disappointment over not properly utilizing Miller yet again. The play calling in the 2nd half was horrid but as Hulk would say that no help us cover Beckham.
Landry has maturity issues, no doubt. Hopefully he’ll identify a mentor that can help him overcome his selfishness, because it can affect his ability to reach his potential.
His mentor should be his buddy on the Jints.
Maybe- or maybe he needs a new voice, one outside his personal ‘echo-chamber”…
True….I guess old man Jennings wasn’t that guy.
Mike E. says:
December 15, 2015 at 9:42 am (Edit)
We also don’t have a dynamic receiver on this team. Landry, when healthy is close, but nobody else make things happen out there. Maybe in time Parker will become that, but no one on our team is even near the talent of OBJ
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Very good post Mike E. I think there is an over estimation of the level of talent we have at WR.. No doubt Landry is a tremendous talent but after him we have pieces with potential but not much else. Parker can be a stud but he must improve his route running which was terrible last night. Matthews is serviceable but nothing special. Stills has been a slight disappointment but has made some big plays here and there. Our TEs have been a major disappointment imo. Cameron is not the player he was in Cleveland and Sims has not developed the way I thought he would.
Thanks Ken – Stills reminds me a little of Ted Ginn. He can get open for a big play occasionally, but he’s not a dynamic guy who’s always involved in the game, and can turn a short catch into a big play.
Mike/Ken,
You could spread that across the entire offense, with the exception of Landry and Miller to a lesser extent. How many people on our line start on other teams, or to be more fair, what percentage of teams considers any of our linemen an upgrade to what they have? I won’t mention the qb, as it causes problems around here… though I expect he would be a starteer on 8-10 other teams- probably lol
Ken
Running the ball keeps the ball away from the Giants, and also helps us score. A WIN/WIN. On the other hand, you’re right, it doesn’t help us cover OBJ. I think Campbell should suit up at TE, show Cameron how it’s done. Cameron is a HUGE disappointment. He never seems to make the catch on those tough throws. Never!
We scored 17 1st half points running the ball, and 7 2nd half points with the 5 wide drill my QB scheme. can you tell how angry the hand is? I have a joy buzzer strapped on to it right now. lol
Totally agree on Cameron. I get it would have been a tough catch on that play but you expect your big bodied TE to come down with those. On a 3rd and 20 it was a hell of a throw. We needed Cameron to step up and make the play on that one.
I applauded the play to go for the 1st down & thus TD on that drive rather than a lil dump off to get a few yards for a closer FG down by 7 late.
Ken & Mike, you also have to look at how our lack of running & use of formations has hurt our passing game / receivers. Defenses can set coverages better on our guys than on other teams.
Plus pinning their ears back & rushing Tanny to hurry his throws as well, especially when there is that damn empty backfield with a crappy interior OL.
Try Pod says:
December 15, 2015 at 11:23 am (Edit)
Mike/Ken,
You could spread that across the entire offense, with the exception of Landry and Miller to a lesser extent. How many people on our line start on other teams, or to be more fair, what percentage of teams considers any of our linemen an upgrade to what they have? I won’t mention the qb, as it causes problems around here… though I expect he would be a starteer on 8-10 other teams- probably lol
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Probably so, especially on the OL. Thomas is horrible and Turner is still very raw, especially in pass protection. Fox is just horrible but to be fair he is a back up. Only Albert and Pouncey are legit and I still think Pouncey is overrated. The differences is I think everyone recognizes that our OL has issues. I think everyone thinks our WRs are very talented. I don’t think they are as talented as people think they are. Much like how you feel about our QB.
Should be an lol at the end of that post.
I have always agreed with you on Pouncey- going back 3 years, now I think. I believe he’d be better as a pulling guard.
Pouncey is way overrated, and I think he’d get pushed around at G. Ask Randy, he’ll tell ya! lol
On offense, Lamar Miller, Jarvis Landry, Mike Pouncey and Branden Albert would have starting jobs with at least 1/2 of the NFL. On defense, Suh, Reshad Jones, OV and Grimes (only because there are so many CB needy teams)
Not sure about Grimes any more. He has clearly lost a step.
Grimes is not the same, but NE just signed a guy off the street, so I’m sure they would take Brent Grimes.
Not sure I see Pouncey and Albert starting on 1/2 the teams, but some percentage of teams would start them, no doubt. I think Albert more likely than Pouncey.
Not sure of OV, as I see Suh as the biggest reason for his current success, and Grimes… ok, I guess.
Going to get lunch. BBL
Enjoy- stay away from the radiated fruits and vegetables… lol
Too late!
Er, I meant IRradiated…
Try
Not important if we nitpick on a guy here and there, just look how short the list is. That’s why we suck every year.
Didn’t mean to nit-pick- I was making a similar list as you were posting yours, so I kinda responded to it in that mindset…
Darr, Franks and Denney could also likely start for a lot of teams
I agree! lol
Mike E — must have been a tough night for you more than anything. After Miller’s first half you must have been going, “We can do this.” How many points you lose by?
7. I should have had it easy, if they gave him 5-10 carries or a few short passes.
And one time were FF dreams matched up with on the field smart strategy. Crusher.
And maybe he comes back and serves the team well — but I am done counting Jamar Taylor. We have to bring in another corner……especially give how Grimes, while still good, is not the Mighty Mite he once was.
Stanger
You have to be a Darr fan, right? That guy rocks! he was fantastic last night. If we had a defense, we could have seized the opportunities he afforded us.
He’s good, but he outkicks his coverage a lot, has a flat projectory on his deep kicks and before last night didn’t show the inside the 20 touch. Plus I’m still in mourning.
LMAO! Too soon? 🙂
LOLed @ Gruden calling Jamar Taylor Jamar Fletcher. Can’t blame him, they’re both busts, and they both played shit at CB for the Dolphins
All I know is I’m tired of watching this team do the same thing over and over and just keep losing. It’s not any one player or unit. Rot starts at the top. This whole franchise is just embarrassing. I used to tell people I was a dolphin fan, proudly. Not so much anymore. I talked to a buddy at work this morning about the game. He just shook his head and kept asking how the hell we lost to that team at home. I had no answer but to say we suck. That’s really all there is to say anymore.
I read a lot of comments on twitter and here about “parting ways with this guy” and “this guy is done” and “we need to replace this guy”
I think doing the same thing over and over again would be just that
Seems like we make the team over every year
I said it last offseason (mostly when talking about Mike Wallace)
we should out a lot more effort into bringing guys in then leading guys out
Just let the new players compete with the old players and let the cream rise to the top
Instead we part ways with ___________ and bring in ____________
and we have the same problems all over again b/c we didn’t know who _______ really was
I don’t want to blow the team up
I just want to see a system in place
even when we have had the same coaches we make so many changes we don’t really make much progress
I’ve seen a couple of still pics and replays of that 3rd and long pass attempt to Cameron
I don’t have any expectation that a receiver makes that catch
I n general I think the smart play was a dump off to set up the FG
but beyond that although the throw looked good – it wasn’t so good
it was a little late and Cameron was actually more likely to make the catch a little earlier – the late throw allowed the safety to make the catch a little tougher
even worse was the fact that Devante Parker was actually pretty wide open on that play
he was a little to the right of Cameron if you happen to see the play again
and that was a first down
Tanny basically went for the big gamble on that play
And it was a good throw
but at the end of the day – it was a very hard catch to make instead of something easier
An earlier throw, a throw to parker or a throw underneath
These are some of the nuances of the position in my mind that separate the good, average and bad qbs
Sometimes I just don’t think Tanny is very heady about his play
By now I would have expected him to act a little more like a vet
And so that is my biggest grievance with Tanny
I actually think he is going to be good – but his learning curve seems really slow
Put me as one who wants a CB, LB, DE in the first. We don’t win by drafting another 1st round OL unless it’s a OT to eventually replace Albert. The guy could fill in at OG but I don’t want another 1st wasted with all the needs we have. Every other team seems to find OGs without a full OL full of 1st rounders.Maybe our 4th rounder blossoms or maybe we actually get a better OL coach this time around.
I also disagree about our WR talent.Matthews was extremely solid, Parker, Stills, and Landry are plenty compared to what we’ve had before and what some teams have. We need to quit expecting to have pro bowlers everywhere just to get our offense moving. If we need pro bowlers just to have a real offense…then we have been with the wrong coaches and system for way too long.
I see our leftovers finding uses with other teams. We have talent but no good coaching and leadership to maximize it.
I agree
The OL looked good in the first half
and faded near the end of the game
which is a trend IMO
They aren’t really bad – we put them in bad spots
Piggy
I see receivers all over the league making big catches for their teams. We haven’t seen it here. Cameron should have caught it. Don’t care about late, who else was open, the ball was there to be caught, and he didn’t make the play. Simple as that.
Completely disagree
you put receivers in position to make plays
and far less talented guys make plays bc of the throw
That’s asking a lot from a TE to make that catch
the safety was draped all over him
Its really not as simple as getting the hands on the ball
there are receivers that make that catch
but we should not rely on it
Guys on dropping passes by Tanny so often because the receivers have issues
guys are doing bc the throws are late, or off target or both
the throws are consistently the problem
That throw should have been there (if he goes to Cameron) a few seconds earlier to find the whole int he secondary
instead Cameron has to make a catch and fight the safety off
Yeah, like every pass in the NFL is right on the money. That’s why these guys are in the NFL. QB’s throw the ball up for grabs all the time. Just because a throw is late, or a little off target, doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be caught. That was quite catchable. This is the NFL, not a backyard scrimmage with a bunch of piggies.
We have plenty of guys that would start on other teams
or at least be productive
of there they are in the system for some time
teams get a lot of productivity out of guys that are not great talent
John Jerry was starting for the Giants last night….lol
No team is talented across the board
Name these players. I thought hard about my list. Go ahead, so I can tear it up
If you want me to name players
you completely miss the point
teams are made of their guys
those guys produce in those systems
There are a handful of players on any team that will be successful if they are moved
Different conversation Piggy- guys that would start as opposed to guys who would play.
And yes, John Jerry is on the field for the Giants, but my assumption when I said this was that a starter mesant someone on the field starting day 1, not due to injury.
They aren’t really bad – we put them in bad spots
yeah, it is called on a football field
^ THIS!!!!!!
Randy says:
December 15, 2015 at 12:51 pm
All I know is I’m tired of watching this team do the same thing over and over and just keep losing. It’s not any one player or unit. Rot starts at the top. This whole franchise is just embarrassing. I used to tell people I was a dolphin fan, proudly. Not so much anymore.
that is exactly how i have felt for a few years now. the whole team sucks. i use to be able to make fun of buc fan and say i was a dolphin fan. not anymore, they are as bad a the bucs
Piggy,
I agree. I’ve seen late throws all year by Tannehill. He has to start getting better at his anticipation. I don’t think he’s ever lead a WR until this year(on the deep throw). I don’t know what the issue is but he needs to keep working at it.
I think the primary problem is coaching. We draft some decent players but the coaching has been bad for a long time. I’m all for Shula, Hue, or another long time coach who calls the offense(or defense). I want a guy with connections to talented coaches so that we can start getting the best out of our talented players.
The Flying Pig says:
December 15, 2015 at 1:13 pm (Edit)
I agree
The OL looked good in the first half
and faded near the end of the game
which is a trend IMO
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Yeah, because we ran the ball in the 1st half, and then expected them to protect the QB with 5 wide sets the rest of the game. You have to have balance. It’s a freaking joke!
well they do that every week
but that is not a problem with the personell on the OL
that a problem with the play calling and coaching in general
Last night abandoning the run was more inexplicable then ever bc we weren’t trailing and we were successful
The Flying Pig says:
December 15, 2015 at 1:20 pm
We have plenty of guys that would start on other teams
or at least be productive
of there they are in the system for some time
teams get a lot of productivity out of guys that are not great talent
John Jerry was starting for the Giants last night….lol
No team is talented across the board
soooooo, if i am reading this correct. it is ok to be ‘not great’ as long as you play any position but the qb. everybody else can have flaws or make some mistakes but a teams qb needs to be near perfect.
“soooooo, if i am reading this correct.”
you are not
Piggy
John Jerry started here. He’s not a bad player. he didn’t fit here when we switched to the ZBS. He’s probably better than Dallas Thomas or Billy Turner
Now you say he is not a bad player
Go back in time 3 years ago and argue that John Jerry is not a bad player
see what kind of response you get
Regardless, are Dallas Thomas or Billy Turner any good? They haven’t been
mike
at times it looks like the dolphin offense is out there practicing. like ‘ok, now we know we can run the ball. lets stop that and practice our 5 wide sets till we get that right’
Mike E. says:
December 15, 2015 at 1:27 pm (Edit)
Yeah, like every pass in the NFL is right on the money. That’s why these guys are in the NFL. QB’s throw the ball up for grabs all the time. Just because a throw is late, or a little off target, doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be caught. That was quite catchable. This is the NFL, not a backyard scrimmage with a bunch of piggies.
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QB’s throw it up all the time
I agree
guys make those catches all the time as well
But on 3rd and long needing a score, when you have an underneath guy to set up a FG , an open WR – you don’t put the ball up for grabs for the TE
That’s a stupid throw by Tanny
And that is the most important part of that play
not that Cameron did not make a 50/50 catch
but when Cameron gets his hands on it and doesn’t make a catch
all anyone can talk about is how Cameron should have made the catch
It was a bad decision to make that throw and then it was not executed very well at all bc it was so late instead of hitting the reiciver in a better spot
But on 3rd and long needing a score, when you have an underneath guy to set up a FG , an open WR – you don’t put the ball up for grabs for the TE
That’s a stupid throw by Tanny
And that is the most important part of that play
not that Cameron did not make a 50/50 catch
go back to last week and read how many times people bitch about the drop off pass on 3rd and long.
its a different situation
you are setting up a FG
and every team does that
When we throw underneath to a receiver (usually not a back)
its in hopes of the receiver picking up the first – its not setting up a FG. The strategy is much different
In this scenario we just got a penalty moved back 10 yards (out of FG range)
and had a chance to get those yards back or a few yards to set up a FG
Coughlin actually took the penalty and gave us another play but pushed us out of FG position – probably relying on the bad decision
The Flying Pig says:
December 15, 2015 at 1:42 pm
“soooooo, if i am reading this correct.”
you are not
ok, good to know. i will let you go on be confusing
please do, rather than paraphrase for an agenda
It’s all a fucking carousel. We complain about Tanny that he’s Hennehill, and yet complain when he throws the ball to his TE who’s 6’5″ 260 against a 5’11 safety who hasn’t stopped anyone all season long. I get it,
See you guys later
Later Piggy – I’m pissed off. Sorry I’m so fucking sandpaper abrasive right now
The Flying Pig says:
December 15, 2015 at 1:51 pm
please do, rather than paraphrase for an agenda
lmfao. cause what you are spouting isnt for an agenda.
and all you had to do was point out how i was reading it wrong, not be a jerk about it. but hey, you dont have an agenda. to fucking funny
The Flying Pig says:
December 15, 2015 at 1:49 pm
its a different situation
you are setting up a FG
and every team does that
think you missed my point. no matter what the qb does, some bitch some dont.
mike e today
Exactly. lol
Last night also made me realize it’s time to get back to those uniforms, or something closely resembling those uniforms. I hate our pussy uni’s and I hate our pussy team too!
I’m gonna dust off this old idea one more time, and before anyone gives me any lip, remember, NOTHING IS FUCKING WORKING WITH THIS ORGANIZATION FOR MANY YEARS. It’s time to try something radical.
Ax everybody and give Marino the reigns. It worked in Denver, it might not work here, and yeah, Marino might not be cut out to run a football team, but every option at this point is an unknown, and everything we’ve tried has failed. Sometimes you gotta take a chance. I like Marino’s football chops and he commands respect. He might fail as a GM but I think it’s time to give him the reigns.
PS. the fins played just well enough (with Miller and Landry production) to ruin my Fantasy team when I had the highest points, best record (by 2 games. 11-1) and had won the weekly high point award 5 times……and I could’ve dealt with that if they had won, but ffs. Last night crushed me!
LOL…FML
Don’t argue boys. The fins fucked this up, not anybody here. Hugs all around. 😛
Let’s not get crazy
Hey Jahn – I have no problem having Marino involved. He’s a winner and a fierce competitor.
Jahn,
“what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.”
..and it’s so dumb, it just might work!
jahn
so basically the fins are so bad you are now comparing marino’s chops to elways. we all know elways chops win
Quote from “Billy Madison”. Just busting on Jahn.
We know it…
Yeah, it’s a bit contentious in here, no doubt. We’ll vent, commiserate and move on- eventually…