Game Day – Giants @ Dolphins

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  1. Al in MIA says:

    Ken,
    Applying a safety to the side of Beckham is how you double him off.
    One guy plays the low space, the other plays the high space.
    Of course, the offensive adjustment is to put Beckham in motion and in the slot so the LB gets roasted in the scheme LOL.

    • Ken says:

      Teams have been doing that and Beckham has been beating that coverage as well. I still think the best way to neutralize him is by pass rush. Don’t give Manning the time to hit him deep. We failed at that miserably. I am not saying don’t put the safety over him but success is far from guaranteed on that alone.

  2. Al in MIA says:

    I was disappointed with how the DC adjusted in the 2nd half.
    Once it became apparent that the Fins weren’t doing anything to disrupt Manning’s rythm, they should have just gone all out blitz without concern to a big play.

  3. getterdone says:

    Wake cut unless he really shows a fast recovery & restructures.
    Coples cut or major restructure.
    Cameron stays, we need a seam threat TE.
    Grimes restructure or cut.
    Jones STAYS! Probowler & best player on D.
    Pouncey restructure or cut. Centers shouldn’t cost that much.
    Albert stays 1 more year if he stays healthy remainder of 21015.
    Jennings buh bye.
    Misi stays 1 more year if he remains healthy in 2015.
    Dion FF buh bye & here’s your crack pipe. See ya!
    Mitchell stays need veteran DT.
    Brice McCain stays 1 more year, new DC might help him.
    Fox buh bye.
    Denney STAYS! He’s a steady Rock!
    Jamar Taylor buh bye. Yikes, look out, waterboy just blew by you.

  4. Ken says:

    Tim:
    I am not a huge OV fan. I think I would re-sign Miller over him as well and look to draft a DE early.

  5. Al in MIA says:

    I had flashbacks to 2 things during the MNF game:

    1: the 84 yard TD by OB was reminiscent of Wes Welker’s 99 yard TD in Miami 4 years ago. Reshad Jones 4 years ago tried to jump the route (instead of play ‘safety’) and wiffed on the INT attempt leaving 1 on 1 with the CB who was trailing on the play. Jones guessed wrong vs OB on MNF and it ended up going for 6 instead of maybe just a big gain.

    2: Eli’s brothers performance when the Colts beat Fins in Miami on a night game 27-23 despite only having the ball for 15 minutes 😦

  6. Al in MIA says:

    Ken,
    That may be so (OD performing through doubles) but Eli’s reads to OB over the top seem to have come in 1 on 1s. Miami was able to get lucky only once on the Offensive PI call. The 84 yard TD was a blown assignment by the S. That play probably still would have gone for 25 yards though if played properly.

    • Ken says:

      Not really debating, certainly a better strategy than what we did. My biggest gripe and much as you noted above was the absolute failure to mount any kind of pass rush. To me that is the key to disrupting the deep passing game.

  7. stangerx says:

    According to Hyde, the draft order right now. Goes against my grain, but losing is not necessarily all that bad a thing going forward.
    ———————————-

    1 -Tennessee (3-10, .473 strength of schedule)
    2 – Cleveland (3-10, .503)
    3 – San Diego (3-10, .521)
    4 – Baltimore (4-9, .479)
    5 – San Francisco (4-9, .544)
    6 – Dallas (4-9, .550)
    7 – Detroit (4-9, .567)
    8 – Miami (5-8, .468)
    9 – Jacksonville (5-8, .473)
    10 – Chicago (5-8, .537)
    11 – St. Louis (5-8, .538)
    12 – New Orleans (5-8, .544)

  8. getterdone says:

    Ken Cameron doesn’t blow. He’s made some nice plays for us. Stretch TE’s & RZ threats are hard to find and take a while to groom.
    He stayed healthy. Keep him until you groom someone worthy unlike Sims!

    Mitchell is solid. He doesn’t suck. He’s made plays, he’s eaten blockers. He’s looked down this year cause the Coyle install is bunk! …and Phillips needs several blows to remain effective in rotation…IMO.

    • Ken says:

      I disagree with you on both. Cameron has been almost invisible. Mitchell is one of the lowest rated DTs in PFF.

      • getterdone says:

        You’re not judging by what they can bring to the table, you’re judging by the results of 2 majorly flawed systems. Our coordinators sucked!

      • Ken says:

        I don’t know how you can say Mitchell has eaten up blockers. We are the 32nd run defense in the league. The only thing being eaten up is our D. Mitchell is horrible.

      • Try Pod says:

        That’s fair- you can’t adequately judge Mitchell or Cameron if you can’t judge Tannehill because the rest of the team sucks.

      • getterdone says:

        Have you seen our LB corp?
        Cameron & Mitchell have proved themselves elsewhere. Maybe it’s the Miami franchise that’s the issue here, No?

  9. ocalahowie says:

    Tim
    Every time the Giants made a big play we could hear their fans on the TV not so much on our big plays. But then again it’s like that when the Jets, Patriots, Bills, Ravens are in town too.
    Not many of us original Fans left down there and most the younger crowd now is from Brasil and all those other Soccer countries

    • stangerx says:

      Howie — don’t see much Hispanic influence in the stadium, even if they tried with J-Lo…….but that may be part of the problem with winning the local market.

      Pretty sure most of the old-time fans still own their seats, but why would you ever sell them even if you never go to a game? With scalping legal and all the out-of-town fans wanting to come here they would just be giving away money.

  10. Al in MIA says:

    GDP,
    Cameron is useful but at that price? Not sure.
    He’s being paid a top 5 contract on average value (ranks 5th in average TE contract value).

  11. Al in MIA says:

    GDP,
    Cameron’s replacement in Cleveland (Gary Barnidge) did even better :/

    • getterdone says:

      LOL, Barnidge had 1 good year and is in his what 6th season?

      Even Campbell said we weren’t featuring the TE’s enough. Hard to when your OL is a sieve.

  12. Ken says:

    GDP:
    Cameron was a proven commodity several years and concussions ago. He is not the same player he was. Mitchell had a nice run with the Texans but he has done squat in 2 seasons for us now. Yes the coordinators blow but so does Mitchell. He is just not that good and he is not eating up blockers at all. The only guy on the DL doing that on the DL is Suh which is why Mitchell is even more disappointing because he is getting single blocked almost all the time and still makes no impact on the game.

    • getterdone says:

      Suh is hardly standing out either, maybe a play here & there. Mitchell has been battling a nagging injury too. But he was real solid for us last year.
      My whole point on both is that you can’t be too quick to just cut those 2 when there isn’t much behind them, especially @ TE.
      Yes we have Phillips @ DT, but he’s not going to be a guy that can grind a whole game….IMO. Francis was already cut, not much depth @ DT. So ya keep them both another year until you develop their replacements, hopefully thru the draft.

  13. getterdone says:

    Stanger,
    OD’s got a new gig now with his tix. He’s Mike Damone now.

    • stangerx says:

      GDP — that was perfect. And I think after seeing the money for his Giants tix coming in I may not be getting in his seats as often.

      But man has been a prince about it. Have to fight him to pay more than face even when I know they are going for twice that on the exchange.

      • getterdone says:

        LOL, thanks. The thought cracked me up too.

        Yes OD is quite the gentleman & great to his friends. Glad you got to know him and hang with him at several games.

  14. Tim Knight says:

    Ken, I don’t think Mitchell blows, I always see him competing at the LOS and chasing plays from behind when our LBs didn’t make the tackle.

    • Ken says:

      If he is chasing plays from behind that is a problem. His job is to occupy blockers. If he is chasing he is not occupying and that means he is getting lost in space. Danger Will Robinson.

      • Tim Knight says:

        DL do not always make the stop at the LOS. Many DL give up once the play is behind them. Mitchel never stops playing.

  15. getterdone says:

    Actually Barnidge is in his 7th season and had just 3 TD’s his previous 6 seasons. Maybe we should look for more 30+ yo TE’s that no one else wants. They’re ready to break out man. 😉

  16. Tim Knight says:

    Howie and Stanger, most of the young people ladies too we talked to at the tailgate and saw around our area were mainly Hispanic.

    • Tim Knight says:

      My brother-in-law traded me to another Dolphins group with one Giants fan who was Hispanic so there were no enemies within the groups. LOL

    • stangerx says:

      For sure a bunch of Hispanics come to the game……..but you have to realize how Latino heavy South Florida is. Huge areas of Miami (the only real big city down here) where Spanish is the first language. Interesting how you said “young” though. Might be the 2nd generation of Latinos (or maybe Latinas) are turning into to Phin Phans.

  17. getterdone says:

    Ken says:
    December 16, 2015 at 2:35 pm
    If he is chasing plays from behind that is a problem. His job is to occupy blockers. If he is chasing he is not occupying and that means he is getting lost in space. Danger Will Robinson.
    Reply

    Ken that doesn’t make sense. If he’s to be occupying blockers then it’s hard to come off & make the stop in the gap. That’s where the LB or S should be, filling the gap.

  18. Al in MIA says:

    I don’t think Mitchell blows either. In Texas he was a 3-4 NT; in Miami he hasn’t been as effective as I had hoped as a 4-3 DT shooting gaps but I feel his contract is at or below market value for his age/experience. As to his performance in the Giants game, he missed the 2nd half of the Giants game with a calf injury only playing the 1st half.

    I paid close attention to the Fins LB in this game; they failed as a unit. Misi got a couple nice stops but Sheppard and Jenkins struggled. I don’t get why they bother going with Jenkins when it’s obvious he’s not 100%. I’d rather roll with Vigil who’s 100% and take my chances that the volume of his plays will be better than an injured player.

    I think it was Sheppard coming in on a run blitz during Jennings longest run of the game; he basically tried to squeeze through one of the DT instead of driving into the gap and he was wiped out by his blocker and the hole was wide open.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Mitchell was already banged heading into the game. He was out last week. Jenkins has an ankle injury that won’t go away – he’s had it for weeks. He’s not moving 100% at all.

  19. Al in MIA says:

    The LB unit also fell for a couple play action passes.
    The LB unit really upsets me because they really have bad anticipation skills at times.
    Misi is the only one that looks like he’s got the good instincts you want (e.g. when a screen is coming his way, he doesn’t try and pussy foot through the scheme, he rams through without any regard to what the blockers are going to do). The other guys? They wait for something to happen before moving from their spots instead of moving first and forcing their guys to overcommit.

  20. Tim Knight says:

    Stanger, when I said young Hispanics we’re talking in their 20s. They all spoke English fine, no accents so they are definitely a new generation of football fans born in America.

  21. Al in MIA says:

    Tim,
    It’s frustrating to see the coaches keep Vigil on the sidelines. He made a couple bad mistakes vs the Cowboys when he got a good amount of snaps but now he’s not getting crap and the coaches keep going with Jenkins who’s struggling with an injury? pisses me off.
    It took the coaches 3 weeks to finally put Bobby McCain into meaningful snaps (due to benching Taylor) after he had a very solid start in place of Grimes in Philadelphia against PHL best WR.
    I feel they need to just roll with Vigil on the outside the rest of the way if Jenkins isn’t 100%.

  22. Al in MIA says:

    Tim,
    Yea, basically hispanics like me LOL 🙂

  23. getterdone says:

    Al, I’m sure Vigil and other youngin like Lippett etc will see a sizeable increase in snaps now that the season is in the dumpster.

  24. Randy says:

    MikeE,
    My point was, Wilson plays behind a pretty bad OL, and he still makes plays when called on to do so. All that other stuff about great defense, balanced attack is just excuses. When Wilson is running for his life under heavy pressure, he makes plays. I’m just tired of all the excuses for Tannehill. Sack up and make plays when they’re there to be made. And ya know what, it’s okay to make plays even when everything around you isn’t perfect. Tannehill just doesn’t do that consistently. Eli was playing behind a makeshift OL, but he still made plays…and he didn’t need a great defense or running game to do it.

  25. getterdone says:

    A little Christmas cheer for OD & Gigi. 😀

  26. Al in MIA says:

    Randy,
    It’s still a team game which is why the Vikings have the opposite record of Miami despite subpar QB play.
    If Miami had Seattle’s D against the Giants, the score would have been 24-17 Dolphins.

  27. Randy says:

    Just one excuse after another. Lol

  28. Randy says:

    Al,
    Yep, and if Wilson was our QB it would have been 35-31 Dolphins.

    • Al in MIA says:

      It would have been 42-17 Dolphins if Wilson were QB :/

    • Tim Knight says:

      The same guy with these stats in the NFC Championship game last year? His defense saved him from being the goat and shut the Packers down in the 2nd half.

      14-29 209 1TD 4INT sacked 5 times 44.3 QBR. Tannehill does that and I’m sure you give him props for throwing the game winning TD pass. LOL

  29. stangerx says:

    Al in MIA says:
    Tim,
    Yea, basically hispanics like me LOL 🙂
    ————————-
    LOL Al — you and the Pig are just the token hombre fríos on the board.

  30. Mike E. says:

    OV has had a pretty solid year, where no one else on this defense has really done anything. I’m sure it has a lot to do with it being a contract year, but he’s been a bright spot on this defense. He’s had a ton of QB hits and hurries.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I don’t think he’s worth that $8-10M per range. He doesn’t really change games. I’m tired of paying players who don’t do that. That said I’m not signing the checks.

  31. Mike E. says:

    C’mon people – One fucking question? Seriously?

    Ask Mike – NJ1Dolfan@yahoo.com

  32. sb7mvp says:

    Here’s my question: Why you asking for questions?

  33. Mike E. says:

    Randy

    Wilson very rarely is called on to do what you say he does. His defense always had his team in the game, so there’s rarely a situation where he has to put the team on his back or make plays. His team is 1000X better than the shit we have here, so the comparison is weak to me. That’s how i feel. Our coaches are a joke, our game plans are a joke, and that’s why we suck, not because Tannehill isn’t making plays.

  34. Al in MIA says:

    Randy,
    I don’t knock what your saying by any means; RT’s abysmal 4Q rating is nothing to hang your hat on but all I’m saying is if Rodgers or Brady were on this team, they would not be able to win more than 10 games and the Fins would never see the CONF title game let alone the SB.
    Denver & Seattle both addressed the positions AROUND the QB first then added the QB last in building their current franchises.
    The Fins have yet to put anything complete on D or O.

  35. sb7mvp says:

    You guys should argue over the spelling of catsup. It would probably be a more fruitful discussion.

  36. Al in MIA says:

    Mike E,
    This year has been different for Wilson.
    He’s had to carry his team a little more with the injuries to the RB and he’s performed.
    Yes, it’s nice to know that the D keeps the margin of error larger than normal.

  37. stangerx says:

    Mike E. says:
    C’mon people – One fucking question? Seriously?
    Ask Mike – NJ1Dolfan@yahoo.com

    —————————————-

    Dude puts a lot of effort into helping you guys out…….all you need to do is send him a sentence or two.

  38. Al in MIA says:

    At this point, it’s time for Ross to open up the vault for this guy

    Read this the other day:
    http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/seattle-seahawks-offensive-coordinator-darrell-bevell-not-a-candidate-for-byu-head-coaching-job/

    IF ROSS CANT BEAT BYU FOR HIS SERVICES, SHAME ON HIM!

    • stangerx says:

      I’d be willing to roll the dice with Sean Payton.

      • Al in MIA says:

        He’s not available but if he were to be, I’d give him a look too.
        I just give Bevel and edge based on what concepts he employs in Seattle that may work in Miami. Bevel also has no Parcells ties :).
        If you remember, Bevel was OC of the Vikings prior to his time in Seattle. He was the OC for the Vikings NFC title run (Vikes scored 470 pts that year) that ended short in NOLA in what is now known as the bounty gate game lol.

      • stangerx says:

        Nice irony on that, and you certainly put Bevel on the radar. Least articles from before say Payton might available, even if for a pick. He’d be a nice turnkey guy if we went that route.

  39. getterdone says:

    The Darrell Bevell that called for the dumb pass over the middle at the goal line instead of giving the rock to Beast Mode who was trouncing the Pats D & he still had 1 time out remaining???

    Well, I’m sure he’s learned from that…..hopefully.

  40. getterdone says:

    Falcons went the Seahawks route too by making Dan Quinn their HC. It started nice, but not so fun in Atlanta now.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Outside of a few players, their roster stinks. Why can’t Matt Ryan carry that team either? I mean he’s been on winning teams before. LOL

      • Try Pod says:

        You could say that about a lot of teams- including ours. Is Ryan missing wide open receivers consistently? Has he taken a step (or three) backwards?

    • Al in MIA says:

      True, but Quinn was only a unit coordinator (DC) for 2 seasons (both in Seattle). I don’t know how much of scheming he was responsible for considering Pete Carroll was a successful DC himself throughout his career. Quinn never lasted more than 2 years at any job he ever held prior to Atlanta …Wouldn’t it be funny if he doesn’t make it past next year and that holds true? LOL.

      Quinn’s history from Wiki.

      As coach:

      William & Mary (NCAA) (DL) (1994)
      VMI (NCAA) (DL) (1995)
      Hofstra (NCAA) (DL) (1996–1999)
      Hofstra (NCAA) (DC/DL) (2000)
      San Francisco 49ers (DQC) (2001–2002)
      San Francisco 49ers (DL) (2003–2004)
      Miami Dolphins (DL) (2005–2006)
      New York Jets (DL) (2007–2008)
      Seattle Seahawks (AHC/DL) (2009–2010)
      Florida (NCAA) (DC/DL) (2011–2012)
      Seattle Seahawks (DC) (2013–2014)
      Atlanta Falcons (HC) (2015–present)

      —–
      Bevel at least showed he could OC good enough in Minnesota with a different staff (under Brad Childress).

  41. Mike E. says:

    SB

    It’s the way the article goes. It’s a question – answer format. If you want me to just write that the Dolphins suck, I can do that instead. It will be truthful.

  42. Al in MIA says:

    Mike E,
    My question will be posted right here:
    Where do the Dolphins team (coaches/player) go from here to end of season?

  43. getterdone says:

    Al, my guys for now are Shula or Chud, pair either with a standout DC & a solid GM and this thing can turn around, but will need 1-3 years.;)

  44. Al in MIA says:

    Stanger,
    I have a “I WOULD NEVER TRADE A PICK ABOVE ROUND 5 FOR A COACH” policy.
    My plan B for Miami if no decent candidate is available is to keep Campbell around until such candidate becomes available. If Campbell proves his worth by then, he stays, if he doesn’t then the candidate in question will replace him.
    There are very few guys I’d consider right now for Miami.
    Bevel, Payton, Shanahan and that’s about it almost…couple other guys maybe

  45. sb7mvp says:

    Mike,
    You were supposed to answer it in your column.

    • stangerx says:

      sb7 — just not how he wants it. He asks for Qs that others haven’t thrown out to the board. You can understand why……man puts a lot of work into the thing.

  46. Al in MIA says:

    Mike Shula is “Meh” for me.
    He’s in the Josh McDaniels scenario…benefiting from perfect scenario that won’t exist in Miami.

    • Tim Knight says:

      If his name wasn’t Shula he wouldn’t even be mentioned. The Panthers offense goes through Cam doing special things, it’s not a great offense. He’s a unique player. He can look bad, ordinary or super human. This year more the latter.

      • getterdone says:

        I call BS!
        Cam has praised Shula for his development as a pro QB.
        Shula was his QB coach, now OC. He got with Rivera and changed the offensive approach last year that suited Cam’s abilities more, plus helped improve Cam as a pocket passer as well.
        The run started last year and is now what 16 straight reg season wins.

        Mike Shula has put in the time and is now ready, regardless of his name…IMO.

  47. getterdone says:

    Mr. Hand, you have male, several males. Check em out. 😉

  48. Tim Knight says:

    GD, the Panthers run more then they pass and much of that is Cam himself running. Take him out and I don’t see a powerhouse offense.

    Let’s say Shula did have a lot to do with Cam’s progress, we’re talking HC here, not QB’s coach and OC.

  49. Al in MIA says:

    GDP,
    Rodgers praised Joe Philbin, JUST saying 🙂

    • getterdone says:

      Not like Cam has with Shula. I’ve seen numerous articles where Cam & others really credit Shula & like what he’s doing.
      Rodgers may have praised Phiblin for being a nice guy & picking up his discarded gum wrapper so McCarthy would get pissed.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Okay let me use the what is he suppose to say about Shula why he’s there and they’re 13-0? LOL

  50. getterdone says:

    Tim, c’mon, Cam was running as soon as he came to the NFL. But the rest of his game was very incomplete, even a bust label was briefly tossed around.
    He’s been developed nicely. Arrow points to Shula!
    Does Cam still run? Hell yeah, Why would Shula eliminate that athleticism part from his game. But now Cam has more game, can read defenses much better and he credits Shula several times over the last few years.

  51. Al in MIA says:

    This is a quote from Rodgers on Philbin leading up to last year’s Packers/Fins matchup

    “I owe a lot of my success to working under him. He helped me a lot over the years with different reminders.”

    • getterdone says:

      Reminders….LOL
      Remember to throw all gum wrappers into the bin.
      Remember to always try to go thru your progressions if you have time.
      Remember I think you can be great.
      Remember I don’t call the plays, McMike does.

  52. getterdone says:

    Why don’t you or anyone else think Shula is qualified? Cause you’re still holding him to his time as HC @ Bama many moons ago? lol

  53. Tim Knight says:

    GD, Shula would be a fan favorite in Miami and may be a good HC but I don’t want a first time NFL HC. I wouldn’t do it.

  54. Al in MIA says:

    GDP,
    I kindly disagree but arrow points to Cam living up to his talent and finally figuring it out behind one of the best NFL defenses around.

  55. sb7mvp says:

    Colin Hanks isn’t Tom Hanks

  56. Al in MIA says:

    I didn’t say he was qualified, i just said he is ‘meh’ in the sense that I feel that team is getting great line play on both sides of the ball which is allowing the ‘team’ to flourish.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Cam is also a unique specimen when things break down he will start taking the ball himself. You can do that when you’re 6-5 250 and can run.

      • Al in MIA says:

        GDP,
        FWIW, I think Mike Sherman as OC could have done the same thing in Carolina right now with that personnel.
        I just don’t see how you can give credit to Mike Shula while not explaining how Cam Newton’s numbers went down from YR 1 to YR 2 as a starter and then again from YR 3 to YR 4 as a starter.
        There was a big boost in YR 3 from YR 2 but that coincided with Ron Rivera hiring.
        Otherwise, you see a QB who’s numbers as a passer have fluctuated YR to YR.
        Ryan Tannehill has had a better plot from YR 1 to 4 than Cam as a passer.

    • getterdone says:

      Al, does help to have good healthy personnel for the coaches to work with as well.
      It’s like a perfect storm coming together of both players & coaching for an NFL team to make a championship run.

  57. getterdone says:

    Al, if Cam finally figured it out then I guess owners are wasting a lot of money on coaches. You don’t need them. 😉

  58. sb7mvp says:

    Cam Newton ain’t Fig Newton.

  59. getterdone says:

    Tim, I hear ya on looking for a proven NFL HC with previous experience….but not many out there really available or that jump out at ya.

  60. finfanrob says:

    Gigi (@Mrs2620) says:
    December 16, 2015 at 11:45 am

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/12/16/its-time-for-stephen-ross-to-move-to-miami-or-sell-the-team/

    I agree – hope he sells the team he is a total idiot

    fuck, and here this whole time i thought the path to success was and education and intelligence. the whole time all i had to do was be an idiot to become a billionaire

  61. Al in MIA says:

    Tim Knight says:
    December 16, 2015 at 4:52 pm

    Well we could always pick a first time HC go through the growing pains and then find out he’s not HC material. That would be 4 in a row like that.
    ———-
    The same logic that goes into player selection goes into coaching selection (don’t ignore red flags).
    Just because one type of guy burned you in the past doesn’t mean the next guy is going to do the same. The process in the coaching hire is what needs refinement.

    Let’s analyze this since the Shula era ended:

    Jimmy Johnson’s time in Miami was his 2nd HC job (first with Dallas)
    Quit after 4 years but left a very good defense in place even if offense was BLAH

    Dave Wannstedt’s time in Miami was his 2nd HC job (first with Chicago)
    Was recommended by JJ and that seemed good enough for the owner (stupid to just go with what the outgoing coach recommended)

    Nick Saban’s time in Miami was his 1st NFL HC job
    He was given GM & coaching duties; made crappy draft picks then quit on the team

    Cam Cameron’s time in Miami was his 1st NFL HC job
    Hired fresh off a playoff choke vs NE; red flag ignored. Happened to him in Baltimore except Harbaugh didn’t wait for him to choke in the playoffs and fired him in December. BAL won the SB that year.

    Tony Sparano’s time in Miami was his 1st NFL HC job
    Hand picked by Parcells without any competitive process in place. FAIL

    Joe Philbin’s time in Miami was his 1st NFL HC job
    There was a process to hire Philbin but a key component in hiring any 1st TIME COACH is their abilities as a signal caller on DEFENSE or OFFENSE (skin in the game; decisions in real time on scheme and chance)

    For every ‘experienced’ 2nd time or 3rd time coach you can point out to me, I can find you a successful 1st time coach still sitting on his first time full HC job hire.

    Let’s go through this again (I’ve done this many times)

    Experienced NFL head coaches who are on their 2nd or 3rd HC jobs (*=SB winner):
    *Bill Belichick, *Tom Coughlin, *Pete Carroll, Jeff Fisher, Andy Reid, Lovie Smith, Rex Ryan, John Fox, Jim Caldwell, Gary Kubiak, & Jack Del Rio

    1st time NFL head coaches still on their 1st HC job:
    *Sean Payton, *John Harbaugh, *Mike Tomlin, *Mike McCarthy, Marvin Lewis, Ron Rivera, Bruce Arians, Chuck Pagano, Mike Zimmer, Todd Bowles, Chip Kelly, Jason Garrett, Gus Bradley, Dan Quinn, Bill O’Brien, Jay Gruden, Mike Pettine, Jim Tomsula.

    Guys who are currently serving as INTERIM: Mike Mularkey (previously a HC); Dan Campbell (1st time). Of the current 1st time NFL coaches who had HC experience on an interim basis only -> Todd Bowles (interim after Sparano firing), Bruce Arians (9-3 as HC before allowing Pagano to coach rest of season), Jason Garrett (hired full time from interim status).

    • Tim Knight says:

      Jimmy Johnson was proven when we got him though. All I’m saying is we haven’t hit on the 1st time coach. How about trying a guy who has proven to be competent. That’s all.

      • Tim Knight says:

        As bad as it got under Wannstedt he was a HC in CHI before us and he did keep getting the team into the playoffs his first 2 years and that was with Jay Fiedler – a tough as nails QB but not a highly skilled guy as a thrower.

      • getterdone says:

        Mancampbell is competent. If you say he’s mot you better run faster than Mike E. 😉

  62. ocalahowie says:

    Stang
    I hear you on the Hispanics
    We’ve got a very large Cuban population and they have been here since Castro in the 50’s
    Plenty of them where my friends growing up but for some reason they just arent into Football.
    One kid, Bernie was but they were more like American people and Jewish living in our Jewish neighborhood, and Henry’s dad too.
    One guy did sit in front of me with his buddy when I had my seats but I really would only see 3 or 4 at every game and us long time originals have mostly moved away to places like Orlando and South Carolina

    • stangerx says:

      Yeah — the Latinos can choose to come to the game or not……it is there money. Still doesn’t change the mix at the stadium though, but Tim had a point that there are many more younger guys there than older one. So maybe the assimilation thing is kicking in.

  63. finfanrob says:

    i think the coach search should be based on one factor. we all no that no matter who they get is going to suck and be a failure so the search should be based on the hotness of his wife. give us something to look at.

  64. finfanrob says:

    if people are worried about fan support at the stadium, there is an old ancient chinese secret how to get fan support at home. it is a secret but i will go ahead and say it. fucking win. i know, shocking huh. but it goes with ever team and every sport, put a winner on the field and the fans will support it at home.

  65. ocalahowie says:

    Although he was born in NJ my wifes little brother is a pretty big Fan. He’s been here since he was like 13 and his father doesnt watch sports at all. He is like 33-35 now.
    Perhaps it was me taking him to some games when he was young and even sending him my TIX when I couldnt make it down 🙂

  66. Tim Knight says:

    GD, I like Campbell and think he could do it if he can have an offseason to hire his own staff and start fresh. I just don’t think that’s gonna happen. I would not be opposed to it. If we go outside I want an experienced HC. If we go first time HC I’d continue with Campbell.

  67. ocalahowie says:

    Oh I almost forgot
    There is still Football to be played
    and the next game is right around the corner
    DOLPHINS-CHARGERS
    GO PHINS!!!

  68. finfanrob says:

    tim,

    thats where i disagree. i dont have to support the team, the team needs to earn my support. if the team wants me to spend money on them, they better make sure they earn my $$$$$

    • olddolphan says:

      FFR–Your $$$$$ will remain in your pocket as long as ROSS owns the team (see below).

    • Tim Knight says:

      If you go to the game though, don’t be a sap. I think that’s lame so there! LOL

      By the way it was a close game all night and still very little rooting from the fans. We know the Dolphins aren’t good this year but in the moment of a competitive game root the team on. If not what’s the point of going, to be annoyed?

      • olddolphan says:

        TIM; I DO root for the Dolphins when I go to the games (ask Young Stanger if you don’t believe me). The lack of passion for the FINS is squarely the fault of Ross’s horrendous decisions. He has sapped the life blood out of this franchise. WHAT A DIFFERENCE between the intensity of the Orange Bowl and Sun-Baked Stadium, which has become a mausoleum during the reign of Ross!

  69. olddolphan says:

    YOUNG STANGER: -Thanks for the kind words earlier today. And thanks for relaying my question(s) to Mike E. –Hope he can use them. Mike is a tremendous asset to this board!
    ————-
    REGARDING Miami’s next coach. One big factor that has barely been mentioned is the fact that SEVERAL BIG NAMES (Harbaugh,Fisher, perhaps others) have flat-out refused to work for Ross IF IT MEANS taking orders from some God-damned DOOFUS like Ireland, Tannenbaum or, God forbid, King Carl!! IF Ross REALLY WANTS TO GET THE BEST GUY FOR THE JOB, he should immediately jettison the “DOOFUS BRIGADE” and allow prospective candidates to choose their own GM. ROSS’s REFUSAL to get rid of the proven FAILURES ON HIS STAFF OF ADVISORS is a MAJOR IMPEDIMENT TO PROGRESS!! –IF Ross believes Sean Peyton or some other Super Bowl winning coach is going to take orders from a “DOOFUS”, well, Ross is sadly mistaken if he believes that!! AND I BELIEVE ROSS DOES BELIEVE THAT T-BAUM SHOULD HAVE THE FINAL SAY ON FOOTBALL MATTERS!!
    ———–
    ANOTHER OF ROSS’s “Better Ideas” has fallen FLAT ON ITS FACE. –The “high-priced” seats on the Dolphins’ side in the lower deck between the 30’s was 75-90% EMPTY during most of the home games this season!! THESE ARE the $1,000-$5,000 per ticket per game seats that Ross’s people were SOLD OUT for EVERY GAME!! – – As GDP might say, “I’m calling BULLSHIT on Ross on that one!! When the Dolphin players look behind their bench into the stands, THEY SEE EMPTY SEATS BETWEEN THE 30’S!!! INDEED, the Ravens’ game that YS and I attended featured no more than about 60% of all the seats occupied, NOT COUNTING THE HIGH-PRICED SEATS DOWNSTAIRS WHICH WERE MOSTLY VACANT!! I will bet anybody on this blog that A MAJORITY OF THE SEATS WILL BE VACANT AT KICKOFF OF THE COLTS’ GAME Dec. 27!!!–Meanwhile, my Brother-in-Law, who’s had tix IN HIS NAME since 1966 (year one) is sitting way upstairs one row BEHIND a man who has had seasons tix for ONLY 2 YEARS!!!!! – – ROSS IS A GODDAMNED LIAR when he says seats were assigned in the order in which you’ve had season tickets (number of years).
    ————–
    IF you get the impression that I TRULY DESPISE STEVE ROSS –YOU ARE RIGHT!!– – – Ross tried, unsuccessfully, to buy the JETS when they came up for sale. But Woody Johnson outbid Ross for the Jets (Lucky for Jets’ Fans). Finally, I’d have to say it makes NO DIFFERENCE whether Ross spends most of his time in NY or in Miami. He is a horrible owner, irrespective of his place of residence. His record here proves it!
    ————-
    The Dolphins will NEVER get to the Super Bowl as long as Ross owns the franchise. ANYBODY want to bet me on that?????

  70. finfanrob says:

    OD,

    just so i have this right. ross is a horrible owner, the worst ever. i will never get it cause well i just wont, but yet i dont spend a penny on the team but you buy season tickets. lol.

    • olddolphan says:

      My love of the Fins vastly predates Ross. And it will postdate Ross, too!! –As far as horrible owners in Tampa Bay, well, I’m a “305” kind of guy. I have virtually NO interest in the YUCS or the RAYS. But I have enjoyed my time at Lightning games, perhaps partly due to my Canadian background.

  71. finfanrob says:

    tim,

    when i do go to games i do stand up and cheer. every single time out when the cheerleaders are performing i think i am the only one standing up and cheering them on.

  72. finfanrob says:

    OD,

    and obviously just busting balls there. if you think ross is horrible then ok. but i was around for a few horrible owners in the tampa market with the bucs, rays and lightening. i cant complain about ross. he may make poor decisions but at least he is trying

  73. Tim Knight says:

    LOL @ OD on the the “DOOFUS BRIGADE”

    I really don’t even know what Ross should do at this point. It’s not like we have no talent and nobody knows how to coach. But I’m starting to think many of you were right that we have too many chefs in the kitchen from different places assembled by Ross and that’s now how football operations work. If Tannenbaum is the football czar let him pick his people or move on and start over. I think it starts there. This is the offseason to make those choices.

    I won’t have a problem with Tannenbaum and Campbell or some new HC he believes in. But there needs to be a connection and right now it’s not like that. Ireland, Philbin, Hickey and Tannenbaum were never hired together. Ireland was there when Philbin was hired and Ross made that call. That was never a good match. Then Hickey and Tannenbaum in that order but the power is reversed.

    Maybe Ross did make a mistake but remember this team was bad when he inherited it and he’s only been an active owner for 5-6 years (2010-2015). He’s not responsible for the years from 2003 until 2009 when the team went downhill and never found stability. Like we all say, 2008 was an aberration.

    Now’s the time for him to correct all of that though and figure out a way how to build a winner. That said it doesn’t mean that Tannenbaum doesn’t think Hickey is a good personnel man. That can work too. But the entire org was disconnected during the ride. Too many outside changes. No plan from day one and building on a vision from the top other than just saying we want to win.

    • olddolphan says:

      This is the 7th consecutive NON-WINNING SEASON for Ross (breaking the old record of 6 which he set last season). In Robbie’s 6th year of ownership, his team went to the Super Bowl. In his 7th year the Dolphins achieved football immortality with THE PERFECT SEASON!! –DON’T EXPECT PERFECTION IN YEAR 7. But a winning season would be nice.

      • olddolphan says:

        Gotta walk the Greyhound and call it a night in the next half hour or so. Y’all have a great evening and a better tomorrow. And remember this: we are one day closer to THE END of the Ross regime! – – YIPPEE!!!

      • Tim Knight says:

        Yes but not his team the day he bought in, then he became majority owner in 09 but Parcells was still the football czar into 2010.

        I always get the feeling Ross is blamed for like 10 years of losing when he really just got started the last 5 years. He’s hired one HC in Philbin. That’s where we are in 2015. I don’t care about the past from that standpoint, it makes no sense.

  74. finfanrob says:

    olddolphan says:
    December 16, 2015 at 8:58 pm

    My love of the Fins vastly predates Ross. And it will postdate Ross, too!! –As far as horrible owners in Tampa Bay, well, I’m a “305” kind of guy.

    well i do. and contrary to what you think, ross is far from a horrible owner. i have seen horrible owners. at least ross will make changes and investments in the team to try and make him winners. so all i can say is careful what you wish for, there are far worse owners out there.

  75. Tim Knight says:

    OD, about cheering for the team I was replying to FFR, not you. I was talking about the passion of the fans that night. I felt it was lame. I was standing by myself in section 302 up a ways waving my arms up in the air and yelling DEFENSE… DEFENSE… DEFENSE!!!! I got a lackluster response. No debating it, that’s what happened. The crowd was a dud on important downs. It was what it was.

  76. finfanrob says:

    Tim Knight says:
    December 16, 2015 at 9:36 pm

    OD, about cheering for the team I was replying to FFR, not you. I was talking about the passion of the fans that night.

    i say to each their own. i dont stand up and scream when at a game. i will cheer at times but i am not one to yell. i actually find those that do foolish. so to each their own.

  77. finfanrob says:

    tim,

    let me explain a bit more the ‘foolish’ comment. those that cheer every first down or sack like it is a game winner. jumping up and down slapping hands with everything in site i dont get. it is one play, i didnt go to a game for one play i went for a win, i will be happy to slap hands after they win

  78. Tim Knight says:

    FFR, “The crowd was a dud on important downs.” That was my issue.

    That was my experience. My brother-in-law saw it. He said, dude a 3rd of the crowd are Giants fans! I guess so, there were a lot of them. The Giants were also 5-7 heading into that game – I know division still an option, but what’s going on in Miami? There’s a negative vibe in our locker room. Almost impossible to shake when you lose again. It sucks.

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