by Randy Campbell (OLD DOLFAN), season ticket holder
From 1970 through 2001, the Miami Dolphins were one of the most successful franchises in the history of the National Football League. They played in the postseason on 22 occasions during those 32 seasons, reaching the Super Bowl five times. Their back-to-back Super Bowl victories following the 1972 and 1973 seasons, during which they compiled an NFL record of 32-2, stands as the historical high point of the franchise. During those 32 years the Dolphins won 335 games, lost 191 and tied 2 for a winning percentage of 63.6%. Best of all, only TWO of those 32 seasons were losing seasons.
Head Coach Nick Saban’s final season in Miami (2006) featured a 6-10 season. Saban left Miami for the top job at Alabama in early 2007. He was replaced by Charger’s offensive coordinator Cam Cameron. Cameron’s one year stint as head coach produced a disastrous 1-15 season. A disheartened Wayne Huizenga decided to sell the Dolphins to New York real estate mogul Steve Ross. (Note that Cameron had no prior head coaching experience, a theme of the Ross years.)
Ross’s first season as owner (2008) was a success. The release of quarterback Chad Pennington by the Jets gave director of football operations Bill Parcells a chance to bring the highly rated Pennington to Miami. And a season ending injury to Tom Brady during the first quarter of New England’s first game provided Miami another chance to succeed. They subsequently won the AFC Eastern Division before getting blown out by the Ravens in the playoffs. More dark clouds were on the horizon.
Next season, Pennington suffered a serious injury to his passing arm. His career was nearing an end. And Parcells, unhappy with the direction of the franchise, later walked out the door. Ross turned to GM Jeff Ireland to run the franchise while also relying on the advice of ex-Chiefs GM “King” Carl Peterson. What followed was a seven year run of failure. Seven years without a single winning season, an all-time record for the franchise. After going to the playoffs in 22 of their first 32 seasons in the NFL, the Dolphins failed to win a single playoff game for 15 consecutive seasons! And, under Steve Ross, Miami is 49-64 over the last seven seasons.
And you wonder why I’m NOT happy with Steve Ross?? Well, get ready all you Kool-Aid drinkers. Here come some of my reasons for not liking Ross’s stewardship of the franchise, along with a list of recommendations on how to fix the situation.
THE FRONT OFFICE: The Tuna, Bill Parcells, was a holdover VP of football operations from the Huizenga era. Ross decided to keep not only Parcells but also GM Jeff Ireland and head coach Tony Sparano. All of these choices were poor ones. It was Parcells who oversaw the firing of Cameron and the hiring of Ireland and Sparano. His decision to hire Ireland & Sparano will go down as two of the worst hires in Dolphin history. The fact that Ross approved all of these moves makes him culpable. The fact that Ross later extended the contracts and gave raises to Ireland and Sparano (before firing them) makes Ross look like a football idiot!!
Ross’s hiring of Mike Dee as Dolphins’ CEO in 2009 is another head scratcher. Dee, a former COO of the Boston Red Sox, came to Miami with NO FOOTBALL QUALIFICATIONS TO RUN A FOOTBALL FRANCHISE!! In 2013, Dee failed miserably to get $350 million in public tax money to upgrade Sun Baked Stadium. In the process, Dee pissed-off major Republican leaders in Tallahassee. His failure to get this upgrade funding ultimately defeated Miami’s bids to host Super Bowl 50 and/or SB 51. Currently, Dee is CEO of the San Diego Padres.
Two years ago, Ross hired ex-Buccaneers’ assistant GM Dennis Hickey to be the next GM of the Dolphins. The jury is still out on Hickey, who was recently fired by Ross. I believe his two drafts for Miami were better than most of Jeff Ireland’s drafts. But Hickey’s status became moot when fired Jets’ GM Mike Tannenbaum was hired by Ross to oversee football operations in 2015. “T-Baum was seen in a heated debate with Hickey during last year’s draft. Few doubted that T-Baum had the final say on who was selected, making Hickey’s status very shaky.
Ross’s choice of Tannenbaum is yet ANOTHER poor selection on his part. T-Baum’s last two years in New York were a disaster (details too nauseous to repeat here). Suffice it to say he was fired after the 2014 season. Ross’s fascination with PROVEN LOSERS absolutely mystifies me. And, remember, T-Baum is the guy who paid out hundreds of millions of Ross’s dollars to Suh, Tannehill, etc., in an effort to upgrade the Dolphins for 2015. The result? The 8-8 Dolphins of 2014 became the 6-10 Dolphins of 2015! FAILURE!!!
So here’s my verdict on Ross’s decisions to retain or hire the following FRONT OFFICE PEOPLE:
1) BILL PARCELLS; FAILURE.
2) MIKE DEE; FAILURE.
3) JEFF IRELAND; FAILURE.
4) DENNIS HICKEY; TO BE DETERMINED.
5) MIKE TANNENBAUM; FAILURE.
THE HEAD COACHES: More bad news on these retentions/attempted hires/hires by Steve Ross:
1)TONY SPARANO; FAILURE.
2) The HARBAUGH HIRE ESCAPADE; FAILURE.
3) The JEFF FISHER REJECTION; FAILURE.
4) TODD BOWLES: Coached Miami to a 2-1 record and was let go by Ross. Bowles was 10-6 in 2015 as HC of the Jets. Has NO CHANCE to get hired by Ross because he’s a proven WINNER BOTH IN MIAMI AND NEW YORK!!
5) JOE PHILBIN: FAILURE.
6) DAN CAMPBELL: FAILURE.
7) ADAM CASE: TO BE DETERMINED. WAS O/C of the 6-10 Chicago Bears in 20015. WHOOPEE!! Has NO HEAD COACHING EXPERIENCE AT ANY LEVEL. Sound familiar?
THE STADIUM UPGRADE:
After the embarrassing effort to get tax dollars failed, Ross announced he’d plunk down $400 million of his own money to upgrade Sun Baked Stadium. Many praised Ross for his efforts. But Ross is NOT doing this out of the goodness of his heart. He’s doing it to get a SUPER BOWL, and its benefits, in Sun Baked Stadium! Ross’s $400 million pales in comparison to the 1.3 billion spent to build Levi’s Stadium (home of Super Bowl 50). And it looks positively puny compared to the over $2 billion spent by the Kroenke family for the Rams’ new stadium in suburban Los Angeles.
The new seats in Ross’s stadium look nice, but the fact that ROSS REMOVED about 11,000 of them will be viewed negatively by those who award Super Bowls. Anyway, this Super Bowl talk is irrelevant to Dolphin fans. Miami has NO CHANCE of going to the Super Bowl as long as Ross owns the team and sticks with the current philosophies expressed in his past football decisions.
Ross’s alleged “Shade Devices” constructed over the stadium actually will NOT help most who are seated in the lower deck seats, including yours truly. Same old, same old, in the hot months of September and October. And speaking of those peak hurricane months, the next category 4 hurricane that hits Miami Gardens likely will do massive damage to Ross’s “Shade Devices.” I’m calling “BULLSHIT” on any claim that this stadium project is hurricane proof!!! Perhaps if Ross actually LIVED in south Florida (instead of New York), he would know better!! Conversely, Marlins’ Stadium, totally enclosed and air conditioned, is constructed so that it likely will withstand a category 4 hurricane (according to an analysis I saw on, I believe, either the Weather Channel or the National Geographic Channel). Ross SHOULD HAVE DONE what was done in Miami regarding the construction of the stadium. For an estimated cost of $700-$800 million (according to a Google article) Ross could have built a similar stadium that was NEW, AIR CONDITIONED, AND MUCH MORE RESISTANT TO HURRICANES!! Then he could expect the NFL to put SEVERAL FUTURE SUPER BOWLS in his edifice. Instead, he spent $400 million for an OLD< NOT AIR CONDITIONED, stadium that is far from hurricane proof! –STUPID!!!!
SEAT ASSIGNMENTS
One of the most hate-raising issues associated with Ross’s stewardship of the franchise is the issue of seat assignments. I was told I COULD NOT buy tickets between the goal lines on the Miami side, even though I’ve been a season ticket holder almost since forever last season. Nor would I be allowed to buy tickets on the visitor’s side between the 30’s, either. I found that people with 2-3 years as ticket holders were given preferential seating treatment and location over people like me and “MY BOYZ” who’ve been lifelong loyal season ticket buyers. The guy who got tickets one row in front of my brother-in-law (Jim) has had tix for just ONE YEAR! When Ross said he’d offer tickets according to how long we’ve been ticket holders HE LIED!!! Just tell the truth, Steve, if you can. It’s REALLY good for business.
Also, there’s the ultra-embarrassing story of Ross’s $1,000-$2,500 seat per game “LAZY BOY SEATS” located on the Miami side near the Dolphins’ bench between the 30 yard lines. THEY WERE MOSTLY EMPTY!! When Dolphin players turned and looked at the crowd, they saw EMPTY SEATS!! Boy, that will get you pumped-up for the 4th quarter, eh??Ross’s ticket agent told me “all those prime seats selling for $1,000 per game (and up) were sold out.” How come they were 75-90% vacant during every game I attended?? I’m calling “BULLSHIT” again!! Sell those seats next year to the highest bidders and put noisy Dolfans near the Dolphins bench as happened in prior years! Bring the THUNDER, not the SILENCE! Fill those seats!
PARKING
Finally, the parking issue. The price of my parking pass has TRIPLED SINCE 2008! It’s now $300 per season to park in the area where we’ve had our “MOBFESTS.” In this season’s opening game vs. Buffalo, my “PRIME” space was located more than a mile from the stadium underneath the Turnpike overpass way southeast of “Sun Baked.” In 2007, I remember a friend paying $5 to park there! –As for parking lot security, a major security issue at the Chiefs’ game in September of 2014 occurred. My wife will no longer attend games because of this near riot (featuring cars running into each other) inside the southeast corner of the fenced-in lot. NO SECURITY, I REPEAT, NO SECURITY ever arrived in that area despite verbal pleas to officers on the outside of the fence to restore order. We have yet to receive any apology/explanation from the Dolphins almost 18 months later despite two in-person complaints and several email complaints. ROSS JUST DOESN’T CARE!! – – So, be sure to “pack some heat” in your glove compartment if attending future games!!!!!!!
We’ve gone over some of the major problems with the Miami franchise under Ross’s stewardship. Now it’s time for—-
SUGGESTED SOLUTIONS
1) CHANGE ADVISERS; Ross has relied heavily on Carl Peterson and Jeff Ireland for advice during the years he’s owned the team. Thankfully, Ireland eventually was jettisoned (but only after he received a contract extension and a pay raise). An article in the SUN-SENTINEL in 2014 stated that Ross consulted with “King Carl” on every major football issue from 2008 to 2014. Eventually, though, Ross brought Mike Tannenbaum into his inner circle of advisers. This came AFTER he was fired by the Jets. “T-BAUM’s” impact on the franchise, so far, has been negative (witness last season’s 6-10 season). Time to CHANGE ADVISERS! I’d strongly suggest that Ross seek out the advice of the Hall-of-Famer himself, former Bills and Colts GM Bill Polian. His advice could be just what our franchise needs to return to its winning ways. And Ross should also ask Polian “Who else would you recommend I take advice from?” I’ll bet neither King Carl nor T-Baum will be on Polian’s list!! Do it, Steve!!
2) STOP HIRING HEAD COACHES WITH NO PRIOR HEAD COACHING EXPERIENCE!! –Cam Cameron, Tony Sparano, Joe Philbin, Dan Campbell and now Adam Gase. Need I say more?? Ross tried to hire guys who had prior HC experience (Harbaugh,Fisher). He botched both of them. KEEP TRYING, STEVE!! And consult with Polian on who to interview. (Perhaps Ross SHOULD let Polian do the interviews?)
3) Our new GM was promoted from within. If this appointment also fails, I’d favor bringing in someone who’s had success in a WINNING FRANCHISE. Hiring guys who’ve worked in a losing franchise IS NOT THE WAY TOO GO!
4) THE STADIUM UPGRADE. I already addressed this issue. PUT ME ON RECORD as favoring a retractable dome/fully air conditioned NEW STADIUM for the Dolphins. Ross’s patchwork approach will prove to be an inadequate failure when the next major hurricane passes over it! DON’T SAY I DIDN’T WARN YOU!!
5) ROSS NEEDS TO LIVE BY HIS WORD that those who’ve had season tickets the longest will get first shot on available seats. This absolutely WAS NOT DONE LAST SEASON!!
6) PARKING LOT SECURITY needs to be upgraded. Having NO SECURITY and TRIPLING parking rates in some areas over a 7 year period IS UNACCEPTABLE. This stunt is pure “King Carl,” going back to his days in Kansas City! FIX IT!!!
7) ONE LAST REQUEST: Put “fannies in the seats” between the 30 yard lines on the Dolphins side in the luxury seats. If prices need to be lowered, then LOWER THEM!! Perhaps giving them away to local high school football players might break the silence and “RESTORE THE ROAR” of the historic Orange Bowl!!
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WE ALL WANT A WINNER, STEVE!! – – GET TO WORK!!–The Old Dolfan,” Randy Campbell
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Piggy
Suh’s job is the same no matter what LB’s are playing behind him. Sure, better LB’s would have cleaned up more tackles behind him, but that doesn’t affect Suh’s stats or ratings at all.
Mike i really think Suh has a more “why we paid him like we did” year. I think the big issue with last year was way he was used and yet i do think he was effective in the role he was being asked to perform. He was eating up 2-3 blocks which should mean no one is there to handle the LB’ers but then the LB’ers sucked and what was the point of having Suh eat blocks? It was a bad defensive design all the way around.
VJ said there are some things he can do to keep that from happening with Suh being double and triple teamed but he’s not going to divulge it.
I think his point was if we had better LBs that’s how our defense improves because Suh is doing his part.
When I went to the Giants game in Miami I was sitting in one endzone and when that was the Giants side of the field, I saw Suh blast through their line a few times where he simply treated the RB like a rag doll. There were quite a few Suuuuuuuhhhhh….. chants which I was a part of. LOL
You mean like if Tannehill had better blocking, and more time to throw, he’d be a better QB? Like that???? Isn’t that just making excuses????
CAM RULES!!!!! lol
Mike,
You & Tim are both correct. NFL does educate these guys about the ramifications of social media usage & well, too many of these guys are dickheads. I have noticed a bad trend that the players on our team that say the dumbest things on Social Media are the ones who hang out the most with the Grimes clan.
D
Thankfully that scheme was scrapped along with the D-coordinator who brought it. We’ll see if VJ can make a beast out of Suh once again.
Mike E, I didn’t say anything would make Suh better. The point is he’s not the problem, talent at LB is. I also think DE is an issue. I like our DTs.
As for better blocking for Tannehill, that’s not an excuse, that’s an obvious issue. 😉
D-Bolt
I was focusing more on high schools and colleges, but yes, the NFL should also educate them, but if it was pounded into their head for 4 years of HS, and 4 years of college, maybe it would have already sunken in. Maybe . . .
Then there is that whole yeah yeah yeah whatever attitude.
No doubt Tim, This doesn’t pertain to me . . .
The entitled attitude that some of these players carry will prevent a message from sinking in. Same can be said for AJ Francis the know it all😂
I’m interested to see if VJ likes a more aggressive approach in coverage or a similar quarters coverage that we’ve been running, as do many teams, we’re not the only one. LOL
dbolt48 says:
February 17, 2016 at 11:45 am
The entitled attitude that some of these players carry will prevent a message from sinking in. Same can be said for AJ Francis the know it all
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lmfao, except I wouldn’t label AJ Francis as one with an ‘entitled’ attitude. He definitely has an opinion on many things and isn’t afraid to say it but he also goes out and works as an Uber driver which is something he doesn’t have to do given his NFL salary.
Entitled meaning people have pandered to him to the point he always thinks he’s right. You’re right about his 2nd career as an uber driver…..I think Hazel’s second career consists of eating cheese puffs😂
Ken,
If you are out there…Deadpool was great 🙂 (saw it last night)
These two articles might help us get a feel for what VJ will run being that he was in Cincy the last 2 seasons and these are the defensive schemes the Bengals were running.
First there is Mike Zimmer who had already moved on but the core of his defense remained in place under Paul Guenther who was his right-hand man and the Bengals DC the last 2 years when VJ served as DBs coach under him.
http://www.dailynorseman.com/2015/6/8/8750195/so-what-exactly-is-a-mike-zimmer-defense
Then there are some adjustments Paul Guenther made that VJ was around for.
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2014/07/22/guenther-wants-bengals-defense-confuse-opposition/13023201/
I’m sure VJ like Guenther will have some of his own preferences.
It’s funny some here were saying Deadpool wasn’t that violent though in the trailer I saw it was totally violent and funny as shit. A guy I work with saw it and he said it was totally violent and funny as shit. LOL
I was dying laughing…i was having flashbacks to Ryan Reynolds humor in the movie “Waiting”. I didn’t think it was violent in the sense of an action movie….same kind of killing you see in a bunch of other action films out there.
To me violent is like Hostel lol.
It seems that the slicing off of heads isn’t violent these days to many people. LOL
Just curious, but who in here will have a heart attack if the Fins draft OT Ronnie Stanley with the 8th overall pick? lmfao
If they kick Albert inside, I’d have no problem. I’d prefer to take care of the D, but Ronnie is a top talent in this draft.
I’d understand it but wouldn’t be overly excited about it. He’s also considered to need more polishing. I wonder if he’d kick inside at LG then replace Albert in a couple of years when his contract expires or if he gets hurt. I don’t think Albert wants to play guard, he had issues with that in KC.
I’m also leaning towards hoping we draft defense first 3 rounds. Preferably a DE, LB and CB in no particular order. I could see OL or even a TE in the top 3, maybe even a RB if we don’t re-sign Miller, but I think defense is the way to go. I’d focus on the OL in FA to add proven players – a starting guard and a better player than Fox to compete at tackle and add depth.
Rolo @RoloEdits 16h16 hours ago
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Confessions of a Finaholic!
I wanted Jimmy Johnson to do a Walker type trade with Marino!
Same here. I blame both Jimmy for taking the job knowing Marino was hands off and also Huizenga for putting those kind of restrictions on Jimmy.
I’m annoyed that I ordered an Italian sub instead of a luscious cheese steak for lunch that one day in 1996. 😉
Need a subscription to access the whole story but the synopsis presented includes OV of the Dolphins so here is the link.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/14790903/10-buyer-beware-nfl-free-agents-2016
https://twitter.com/MDC__Monica/status/699731278397100032
Tim,
I don’t even remember seeing heads sliced off (think it happened a few times)…just a bunch of people coming at Deadpool and him in a ninja like fashion using his 2 swords to slice their legs and jam it through their chests/stomach region. No different to me than that scene in Commando where Arnold’s character goes off on everyone in a compound lol. In fact, Deadpool references this scene in the movie by going “time to go Commando” on everyone.
Not saying it’s the most violent movie ever, but everything you just said is very violent. LOL
Tim,
Lmfao on the Jimmy Johns reference…
Fuck that place 🙂
I tried a roast beef and was not impressed.
About what time of year does the NFL schedule come out?
Right about the time when they release the schedule.
LOL
Cespedes
SteveCCNV,
I never saw Ted Hendricks play but my father used to talk about him all the time since he was from South Florida and went to UMiami. I just know him as “The Mad Stork”. lol.
Al in MIA says:
February 17, 2016 at 12:10 pm
Just curious, but who in here will have a heart attack if the Fins draft OT Ronnie Stanley with the 8th overall pick? lmfao
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I have my preferences for the pick both in players and what position id choose for our first pick, but as with any draft my main goal is we get quality players that contribute and help us get better. That said, Stanley i think would do that for us so id be ok with the pick.
Tom and Jerry are violent too if you want to get technical.
Speaking of draft picks…I don’t get the DeForest Buckner hype. I’m going to cry if Miami selects him.
It was like you didn’t read a thing he said. LOL
Sorry, my comment was not meant to be a reply….
I was sitting in the reply field cause I was going to say something like “Humpty Dumpty” was the original violent story 😛
Mike
Trying to make that Tannehill vs Suh argument is really getting tired
Suh played well
Tannehill didn’t
It’s not a double standard
It’s a difference of opinion
My point About Tannehill is even if you fix the OL he has proven to have shortcomings
But if you get better players behind Suh, the defense is better. I don’t need for Suh to play better – I need our defense to play better
I need Tannehill to play better, it’s not just the OL IMO
It’s really a matter of opinion
But when you keep calling it a double standard and making newton comparisons, you are not really addressing the point
Suh and Tannys play are really just a matter of opinion
But you are not going to change anyone’s opinion by changing the argument
I’m not saying Suh is a better player with better lbs
He already a great player and has had a great career
I’m saying the defense is better with better linebackers
Particularly bc Suh is so good
Big difference in arguments
I’m really not interested in arguing how good Tannehill is
So spare the responses
My point is not about Tannehill
My point is about building our defense around a very good player
Rather than building our offense around a player we don’t know will play better with better parts around him
Al in MIA says:
February 17, 2016 at 1:29 pm
Speaking of draft picks…I don’t get the DeForest Buckner hype. I’m going to cry if Miami selects him.
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I dont either, i think its just his freakish size/athletic combination that have him projected so high. I think he winds up being one of those guys who falls a good bit come draft day.
All the guy tries to do is bullrush and when he’s chasing his awareness is BLEH. I saw him get chipped by a RB near him and he wasn’t even expecting it coming across the line.
Piggy,
All this talk about finding the next best edge rusher….
I’ve watched alot of clips from different guys available this year…
Emmanuel Ogbah is the one special one that stands out to me…
I’ve heard some good things about him
I’m not sure an edge rusher will be treated a a priority
But we will see
We have a lot of DEs to work with in 2016
The problem is they all have question marks
So maybe DE will be a priory
But maybe not
(Piggy shrugs)
I’m not saying I have a problem with the violence in Deadpool. I love the mix of it with comedy. I can’t wait for it to come to cable.
I don’t mean to be a dick but hope it’s that kind of year for them 🙂
Who is Brindza?
Piggy,
Weren’t we ranked around 25th in the league in sacks?
Al,
I thought the “Commando” reference in Deadpool was because he had no underwear on. Lol
It was LOL…I’m just being an idiot.
Al, everything I’ve read about DeForest Buckner is he’s very powerful and moves well for a guy his size. He’s also considered technically sound. Maybe the Jets will draft him and move Muhammad Wilkerson to CB. LOL
LOL
I thought Suh was playing really strange to start the year. He was screwing up on the most basic of technique things. Looking back on it, I think he was doing it to get Coyle and/or Philbin fired. But, after the first 6 games or so, he started playing like he typically does. That said, you can easily neutralize an interior pass rusher if you really want to. And, if you’re not worried about a team’s edge rushers, you can definitely shIft your focus to an interior guy w/o having to worry that the guys you’re freeing up on the edge will hurt you. So, it’s not the lbers behind him that make a difference….it’s the edge rushers. Ours were easily negated for most of the season.
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Get a really good edge rusher, and Suh can be a monster inside. I’d also like to see them slide him out to DE sometimes. I think he is very effective one-on-one against RTs. Plus, it makes teams adjust their protections.
Our LBs did a poor job in run defense much of the time. Suh did play some DE last season. I agree that our DEs are an issue.
Al in MIA says:
February 17, 2016 at 1:48 pm
All the guy tries to do is bullrush and when he’s chasing his awareness is BLEH. I saw him get chipped by a RB near him and he wasn’t even expecting it coming across the line.
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He also plays tall which is bad for guys in the trenches. He constantly got beaten on leverage battles when there was a OL that knew what they were doing.
Yep. I noticed too that while standing tall, he didn’t bother extending his arms and routinely let the big OL guys get into his chest.
Piggy
LMAO – And is that final?
For your sake, for the next 15 seconds, I won’t say anything about Suh or Tannehill. Or Cam for that matter, but just 15 seconds.
Tim,
The LB were not very instinctual either…they often produced ‘tackles’ but did so staying back. I’d rather have the gambler coming up to the LOS and choosing a lane and forcing the ball handler to change his direction away from what the blocking scheme on the given play.
Yeah no doubt. That’s why at times they got run over. They were taking on a back with a full head a steam from a stationary position. LOL
Yes
I agree
Aggressiveness
Instincts
A certain degree of ferocity
I don’t think the lbs were horrible per se
But they were horrible
By being very conservative they managed to be average
If they were more aggressive…uh oh…
It’s really just a lack of talent at LB
OK – 15 seconds are up
If you’re going to use PFF, they also said OV was one of the top rated 4-3 DE’s. That being the case, it’s not the DE play that was the problem.
However, PFF does note that OV’s 2nd half of season was different than 1st half and that he was a monster down the stretch in terms of their data. You consider a lukewarm 1st half of season with Wake on the field then consider a strong 2nd half of season with Wake on the sideline and you basically have only 1 pressure cooker on 1 side of the line.
They actually rated Shelby’s play pretty high as well, he just didn’t produce a lot of sacks.
So far from what I’ve seen, give me Dodd or Ogbah at DE in this upcoming draft…STUDS! They do the little things with their hand/arm technique against OT to get around them
I think Spence looks like the best speed rusher but he has red flags.
Tim,
While I’m not, particularly, a fan of Tbaum’s volume of work in NY, he did do well drafting front 7 on defenses and selecting some interior OL.
Those are major weaknesses on the Dolphins today and I’m hoping that is where he tries to use his strength in this year’s draft.
I know everyone thinks Mr. T is the GM, but he’s not. He isn’t going to be involved in bringing in personnel other than the top guys in FA and probably the top 2 rounds. Grier is the guy who will do most of the leg work and specifically putting our draft board together and filling most of the roster working with Gase. Mr. T will oversee what they’re doing and evaluate it.
Mr. T had the opportunity to make himself the lead personnel guy and not hire a GM. But what he does and what the GM does is too much for one person. He’s said this.
I think he hired Grier because they share the same philosophy.
PFF has all of these defenders of ours kicking ass yet we were one of the worst statistical defenses in the league. Something doesn’t add up
It adds up to PFF’s ratings are pfffffft. They don’t really mean a whole lot. I suppose they have a purpose, just like other opinions, and statistics.
Randy
we were tied for 25th with Dallas
We had 31 sacks
The top team Denver had 52
But getting over 40 was top 10
The worst team had 19
The bottom 5 were under 30 to give you some perspective
We could have been better at rushing the laser no doubt
I thought at times we brought pressure and didn’t get the sack though
I guess velvety team can say that
OV probably had more QB pressures than any other DE in the NFL. Unfortunately, he didn’t always get to the QB in time, and a few times, he was penalized for late hits.
I fully endorse giving him positive credit for late hits on Brady
Which team do you consider “velvety”?
Mike E. says:
February 17, 2016 at 3:37 pm
Piggy
LMAO – And is that final?
lol. and i get criticized for pointing out the major items in a discussion where as he just says ‘that is final’. got to admit i like his way better
D / GDP
Got thoughts on VT’s Corey Marshall? He seemed to line up often inside (at RT) but he seems to be quick off the snap in shooting gaps. He’s listed at 262 over at nfldraftscout but he has a little Aaron Donald in him…If only he could gain 20-25 lbs.
Well, if you guys go by PFF’s standards, Suh was good, OV was good, Shelby was good, but Phillips was horrible and Mitchell wasn’t that good…….
I guess all our problems on Defense were Phillips’ and Mitchell’s fault??? LOL At lease we know where the issue was now……. 😉
I don’t think Mitchell was good
I disagree with Phillips
And I think our LBs were bad
Our other safety was bad
And our CBs were so so
Mike
You can use PFF or any other experts opinion as a reference
And you can shoot down any of their opinions too
But the fact is some thought Suh played well
Including me
And I don’t hear much clamoring from anyone that Tannehill is a top 5 or even top 10 qb from anyone not a Dolfan
More importantly
I’m done arguing with people about how good Tannehill is
Bc that turns into an argument about everyone else on the team
But now the latest series of arguments has the mere mention of Suh or Newton or anyone else turns into an argument as to why some one should judge Tannehill EVER
If I tell you Sparky “the beast” Parker could have won the parcheesee title if his seat didn’t swivel so much at the championship
I full expect a barrage of replies about how that means we should not judge Tannehill either bc his OL was so bad
Appearently not only can we never discuss what are perceived flaws about Tannehill without a reply – but we can discuss anyone at all without it turning to a conversation about why Tannehill should not be judged
Suh, Newton and the great parcheesee players have nothing to do with Tannehill – but I’m going to hear how discussing their flaws or what you think caused them problems = never discussing Tannehill’s flaws EVER
INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW!!
Which team is Velvety in your opinion Piggy and what makes them so velvety?
I said velvety somewhere?
I’m velvety! Something you say while standing at the urinal. LOL
Based on PFF, you would think OV is right there with Von Miller.
Tim,
I’m aware that it’s a collaborative effort and that Grier by title is the personnel guy when it comes to drafting but I can’t help but think Tbaum will throw his weight around (not in the literal sense) in the war room when it comes time to pick; giving Grier the evil look as if to say “I hope you take my advice and consider it cause if you are wrong well you know, your ass is going to be canned by me down the road (if the owner doesn’t can me first)” LOL.
It may give Tbaum a certain level of comfort that Grier’s father was part of the Parcells circle of trust. I know Grier was probably a runner up when Hickey was ultimately hired (Grier was interviewed at the time for the position).
Yeah, he’ll oversee it but also let them do their jobs. I don’t think TBaum is working feverishly at night studying 4th and 5th rd corner prospects, know what I mean? Grier is doing that.
Oh I see
I meant every team
But I guess you can make an argument that the Packers are velvety
I want to us become a more physical team, not some velvety team.
Unfortunately you have to really watch a lot of games and watch the entire game to see Bullard at DE but i think he is also a really good 4-3 DE prospect. I would also like the flexibility to move him around on the DL front as he can play 5 and 3 tech at the DL spot, whichmeans you could do some neat stuff moving Suh in on nose and sliding Bullard down to 5, or even flipping Bullard and Suh and have Suh on the outside rushing on some downs. Really would make it hell for the OL and OC’s to scheme Suh out of games.
Tim,
I’m going down the list of OLB prospects in this draft and see Villenova has a guy named DON CHERRY to LB…I’m like WTF
So velvety.
Our new helmets
What do you think?
VELVETY !
To go along with our new uniforms and route combinations.
you can’t help yourself
I found the entire video that clip comes from once. Its on a whole other planet of scary lol.
I think Bullard Lawson and Dodd all one pretty equivalent levels to me. Im not a fan of Ogbah, Tunsil shut him down in the Sugar Bowl. I mean i know Tunsil is a fucking great LT, but Ogbah didnt even look competative that game. He also looked really tame vs TCU and a LT i think is decent but not great in Halapoulivaati Vaitai.
Piggy, there is great humor in thinking about the differences of opinions from people when seeing the fancy three. LOL
Appearently not only can we never discuss what are perceived flaws about Tannehill without a reply –
Technically, you cannot DISCUSS ANYTHING without at least one reply. Otherwise it is a oration not a discussion….But go ahead and orate. LOL
D, yeah it’s a clip from an aerobic competition. Yeehaw!!!
Tim won 2nd place and he is still pissed about it!
LOL
The Flying Pig says:
February 17, 2016 at 4:00 pm
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We could have been better at rushing the laser no doubt
I thought at times we brought pressure and didn’t get the sack though
I guess velvety team can say that
LOL I was just bustin balls trying to be funny and failed.
That happens when you rush the laser. LOL
OH GOD! Please make Tim stop posting the dancers!
Tim, I don’t get the reference. “Rush the laser” HUH?
You posted it in the re-post of Piggy’s post.
I don’t know why my iPhone changes passer to laser and every to velvety
but I’m replacing it
LOL I didn’t even SEE piggy wrote laser. My mind read passer. Both when I read it and when I cut and pasted it. Wow.
By the way…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….CAM NEWTON SUCKS!
Nogtih all.
Piggy
I wish we sacked Laser earlier actually. Maybe we could have made the playoffs. Probably not, but maybe . . .
I’ll try my best not to turn everything anyone says about Cam or Suh into a Tannehill argument. Can’t promise anything though, it’s a hot button topic for me.
Tim,
I agree that our lb play was not good, but I was talking more about our ability to get to the QB. For sure our run defense struggled mostly due to poor lb play.
What is considered a “pressure”? Is that when a guy gets a hit on the QB no matter what….or is it when they cause the QB to throw an incomplete pass? Sometimes, a QB holds the ball until the last second where it may look like the defender is getting pressure, but it’s really just the QB getting rid of the ball at the last minute. I think pressures are way overrated unless they actually lead to an incompletion, and you can prove it was the pressure that caused it. Who really knows that for sure on every throw? If a guy gets to the QB but he gets the ball away anyway and the pressure itself doesn’t cause an incompletion…what difference does it make? Seems awfully subjective.
PFF is completely subjective Randy, so it doesn’t really matter.
Yeah I agree. I think much of what PFF does is subjective.
You know when a team or pass rusher is applying pressure. Usually when the QB doesn’t have time to set and just gets rid of it usually an incomplete or he takes a sack.
Like you, I think Vernon is a good player but I do not see an elite DE in him. Now is he about ready to take off and go to another level? Maybe, but I haven’t seen that level of play to make me think that.
Randy,
The best illustration of where OV really ranked was his average time to pressure. His average time was nearly 3sec from the time the ball was snapped to the QB which is actually not great. It means a good portion of his pressure were pretty damn late on average.
That wasn’t from PFF as it was used by another person to give perspective to their pressures they listed as to why you don’t pay OV huge buckaroos.
It was sacks not pressures, my bad, but still not big money worth:
@OscarHazell: @NFLFilmStudy @Dbolt48 Was’nt pressure tho was sacks think only 2 sacks under 3 seconds and were vs Ravens w James Hurst at LT
Compare that to Von Miller’s one second. That’s the difference.
I have always thought that pressures were different from hurries, though im not finding a lot of supporting information for that belief.
I always heard that a hit obviously was a pressure where they got to the QB but the QB got the ball away avoiding the sack but still being hit.
The other two were more dependent on if it was a pocket collapse or just a single player breaking through. So a pressure might be considered a DT pushing the OL back into the QB making him move out of the pocket to throw it, where as a hurry would be the DT shedding his OL and coming clean at the QB who throws to avoid the hit. Neither of the two though have any bearing on the result of the play be it completion, incompletion or int. I do think though i feel about the same as you Randy about it, i think it should only be credited to the player in the case of incomplete or int.
PFF has one of the most subjective scoring systems out there and i fully believe it has bias dependant on how the player is perceived as to how bad a score they give as it lends legitimacy to their scoring if people generally agree with their scores.
MikeE,
Yeah, I’ve just never really known what exactly is considered as a pressure. Because if it doesn’t directly lead to an incompletion…what good are they other than putting hits on QBs?
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Tim,
I think we’ve seen enough of OV to know that he cannot win one-on-one battles with LTs on a consistent basis. I think he’s an 8-10 sack a year guy…that’s not a bad thing…but it’s nothing special either. He might have a 15 sack year in there, but I don’t think he can do that year in and year out. He’s a good tackler. He’s good at pursuing plays from the backside. He’s ok at setting the edge but not great. I’d actually rather put him at LDE and see how he would do against RTs if we’re gonna keep him. He simply doesn’t consistently impact a game like the upper echelon edge rushers do.
Thanks for the info, fellas.
Randy
I agree he’s not an elite pass rusher, but he is still pretty young, I think he’s 25, so he may have better football ahead of him. I think pressures by themselves can’t be as valuable as sacks obviously, but it’s certainly good to be on the QB a lot, it can change the way the QB plays the game, if they constantly feel hurried.
I think Randy is right though, if we invest in him anywhere near the tune he is asking for he needs to be moved to LDE where i also agree he will play better.
I probably just let OV go
I think he is bound to get overpaid this offseason
I like trying to keep players
but at some level – you have to make the tough decisions
He’s going to be paid like an elite pass rusher
and he’s not
but he’s pretty good
so its a pretty tough decision
I can’t disagree with this. I’d stay in it with OV until it gets silly, and then I’d let him go. If we can get him for around $7-8M per, I’d keep him, but if it goes way past that, I’d wave goodbye.
Maybe even $9M per.
when you say silly do you mean Silly like Tim’s dancing spandex gif
we have to bail it way before that
That is the silly dangerzone!
LOL – Maybe like that. What do you think is appropriate for OV?
Its a market thing and he hit the market on a big upswing and at a perfect time. I dont know that he would get the 15mil per kinda pay day that he is rumored to be looking for but i think he could very likely see 12 just due to market. A lot could change though before the first day of FA. There are going to be players cut that are going to change that dynamic.
I still think though if we are going to keep him its going to be at or north of 10mil per. Even in Chris Long or Mario Williams get cut, you are still looking at a pretty thin market and Vernon is a young, player, on an upswing who is going to be more enticing to teams looking to lock down a starting DE for next few years, than aging vets.
The think he has most against him is the depth of the draft class, but again proven NFL talent vs whats is at best a educated deduction of who will and wont pan out.
Face it Vernon is going to get a big pay day, question is will it be from us and is it going to be somewhat resonable. I think it will be an overpay no matter who, but again thats the nature of free agency, you have players that find themselves on the right and wrong side of the ever changing market, and he’s just lucky this year its the right side for him.
Mike
I kinda think its its appropriate to let him go
But If I were going to put a cap on it, it would be around 7.5M or something
Mike i think its going to be right at or just north of 10, and part of me is thinking could be as much as 12 unless some other thing that arent currently exposed dont pop up.
In no way do i think he will get the 15mil he is said to be seeking.
15M? WTF!
Yeah he basically said they he is looking to get about what the tag number was going to be this year and thats around 15mil.
Don’t be surprised, I bet he gets min. of 4 yrs $60 mil, because that’s what the market is.
Jared Odrick is getting almost 9, Vinny Curry is getting 9.25 and he has no where near the production as Vernon. Greg Hardy is getting over 11mil per AFTER the HUGE off field issues and with around same production as Vernon outside of one beastly year. Not at all outside the realm of possibility that Vernon gets 10-12
D
If that’s the case, I’m guessing we’re drafting a couple of DE’s. lol
Likely, i dont think we can afford him even at 10 personally.
Comparing Vernon to Hardy.
Hardy has 239 tackles and 40 sacks in 6 years. 11,311,000 per year.
Olivier Vernon’s numbers if projected over the same number of years is 294 tackles and 43.5 sacks.
It’s bad enough to use stats, but to use projected stats…
How do you compare a 6 year guy to a 4 year without using averages to project the other 2 years?
Compare 4 yrs.
Or the last 3 yrs, kind of inaccurate to use OVs rookie yr.
Mike, Hartline got $7 mil, about 4 yrs ago, if you think OV goes for anything close to $7 mil you haven’t been checking the market.
For $12 mil I’d take Mario Williams over OV all day long, plus OV isn’t the best run DE.
Buffalo is in such a bad place, even though i think it would be a huge hit to their defense to cut him, they may have no choice. As i mentioned a few days ago, id be all in on that signing as well over paying OV. Now if im supremely confidant in a draft pick or two i think i re-sign Shelby, draft a guy early and go that route.
They saying Mario doesn’t fit in the Rexie D, so I don’t think they keep him.
steveccnv says:
February 17, 2016 at 6:53 pm
Don’t be surprised, I bet he gets min. of 4 yrs $60 mil, because that’s what the market is.
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It wouldnt surprise me but it also puts him in north of what Quinn gets paid and i think any negotiations would come with that comparison. Vernon has not shown to be anywhere near as disruptive as Quinn, so i think if i were negotiating as a team i would put him back into the neighborhood her belongs in. Im thinking 10-12, with at least some team willing do do 12.
It doesn’t work that way, the next guy coming up always gets more.
Steve, if the next guy is comparable, then yeah next guy up makes more as things dont get cheaper, they just keep getting more expensive, but if they arent comparable people dont buy for retardedly over priced just because its next guy up, they find alternate ways of getting somewhat as good. Just like with us, if we cant find a guy or get OV for what we feel we can afford, we take the alternate route and draft a guy, teams do it all the time.
You hear vets all the time crying about a guy not as good that just got a new contract for more than they’re making. OV isn’t as good as Quinn, but he’s in the ballpark, he was hurt early in the yr, then really came on when healthy. Sure it was a contract yr, but that’s how it works (what have you done for me lately).
OV will be in Jax next yr.
You guys must be doing a lot of wishful thinking.
steveccnv says:
February 17, 2016 at 7:06 pm
Compare 4 yrs.
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they still come out pretty comparable. The projection didnt really change much there, averages are usually pretty decent at keeping things pretty close
I wasn’t debating the numbers just that it was a projection. I’m not comparing you to Omar, because this isn’t one of those projections, but it was a projection none the less. The start of every season assholes like Omar always do their projections of the WR that has 30 catches after 3 games and 500 yrds, or the QB that has thrown for 1100 yards after 3 games.
We are actually agreeing for the most part, both of us are saying he’s getting paid and both of us are saying he wont be here next year because we cant match what another team will spend. We differ by 3ish mil projection, thats it.
Yes, you were the voice of reason when I came on today. Mike and Piggy haven’t gotten over the sticker shock yet. 2 weeks ago, before I started getting info on OV I was thinking in the lines of what Mike and Piggy are saying, but it may have been more wishful thinking than anything else.
D says:
February 17, 2016 at 5:47 pm
PFF has one of the most subjective scoring systems out there and i fully believe it has bias dependant on how the player is perceived as to how bad a score they give as it lends legitimacy to their scoring if people generally agree with their scores.
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There’s no eye test in stats, therefore…
i always thought the difference between pressure and hurry was.
you hurry to open the porn site you have pressure to get done before the wife comes home.
That’s the issue, what the market is for DEs and not what we’d like to pay OV. It all comes down to what other teams view his value at. I’m sure our team has a number for him and if it’s succeeded by another team(s) we let him walk.
Vernon is not explosive like Wake, he’s more effort and he’s pretty strong but he doesn’t have an elite first step to consistently beat NFL caliber LTs.
Steve, D
If we were in a different place with our cap, I’d say we should go for it, but we have to pay Tannehill and Suh, and that’s gonna make it tough to pay OV too.
I don’t think he deserves to be paid like a top DE in any scenario. He’s never made a pro bowl or been all-pro and his production has been solid not spectacular.
That’s it, hometown discount or walk. We’d all like him back, but in no way do we pay him in excess of $10 mil, someone will though. The longer he stays on the market the better chance we’ll have.
I think it was Randy above talking about he effect of the pressures, I agree with what was said, unless it affected the play what good is it. After the season was over they talked about how great his stats were, but he didn’t pass the eye test for me. If someone has to show you the stats to try to change your mind, that player isn’t worth it.
VIEW EACH TEAM’S DRAFT
8: R1P8
OLB MYLES JACK
UCLA
42: R2P11
DE SHILIQUE CALHOUN
MICHIGAN STATE
73: R3P10
OLB SCOOBY WRIGHT
ARIZONA
108: R4P9
CB HARLAN MILLER
SOUTHEASTERN LOUISIANA
147: R5P8
S SEAN DAVIS
MARYLAND
189: R6P11
CB JAMES BRADBERRY
SAMFORD
225: R7P6
DE ALEX MCCALISTER
FLORIDA
229: R7P10
G PARKER EHINGER
All D, as it should be, get an RB and an OL in FA.
Steve, Vernon doesn’t change games. Wake has. Guys like Miller do. He’s solid but not in that league.
PIGGY: READ your comments regarding “maybe I didn’t get the response I was expecting.” –THAT’s TRUE! – – The response was quite a bit more favorable to my critique of Steve Ross than I anticipated. Seems as though MANY on this site have/do live in a part of the country where the owner of a local team is perceived as a mistake-prone billionaire who can’t make good decisions regarding his franchise to save his life!! I agree, Mike, that Dolan, for all his money, is another sports blunder waiting to happen. And it shows in his team’s performance!! – – Dan Snyder, another gazillionaire, has owned the foreskins for lo’ these many years and has yet to SNIFF a Super Bowl!! (THERE’s your lead-in, FFR!!) Jerry Jones mistakenly thought he was qualified to be both the OWNER of “AMERICA’S TEAM” and the General Manager, too!! After Jimmy Johnson took Dallas to 3 Super Bowl victories in 4 years, jealous Jerry Jones wanted all the glory for himself, so he booted Coach Hair Spray!! – – To nobody’s surprise, GM JERRY is O for the last 20+ Super Bowls, thus proving that a non-football savvy owner can even screw up “America’s Team!” Now I know most of you could give us several more examples of owners messing up thei own pro franchise. The list is LONG AND SORDID (ANOTHER lead-in for FFR!!) But the point is THIS: Bad, ineffective, ownership can turn a once great franchise sour FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME! –And, refreshingly, most on this site seem to understand that. ROSS’s tenure has brought us 7 straight years of THE DOOFUS BRIGADE!! And, if Ross doesn’t change his approach and philosophies, we may very well see 7 more years of the DOOFUS BRIGADE. But, by that time, Ross will be well into his 80’s and likely will have sold this now losing franchise for a massive profit, thereby proving to himself that he was truly a visionary successful owner.
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ONE last point. The Pittsburgh Steelers (winners of an NFL best SIX SUPER BOWLS) are now regarded by some as the standard by which all other franchises are judged. Year in and year out, it seems the Steelers are among the NFL’s better franchises. Yet, during their first 39 years of existence, the Steelers NEVER PLAYED IN A PLAYOFF GAME!!!!! And this was during an era when the NFL had, for most of that time, 12 or fewer franchises, not the 32 franchises it now has! -So don’t ever think that management can’t screw up a franchise, even one as great as the Steelers! Joe Robbie who, like Ross, was NOT a football expert, DID have the quality to pick THE RIGHT PEOPLE to be his first two GM’s (Joe Thomas and Bobby Beathard). And Robbie DID MAKE the best head coaching choice in NFL history when he took Don Shula (a proven winner in Baltimore) and brought him to Miami. Maybe, some day, Ross will find his own Joe Thomas and Don Shula. We can only hope.
OD, when you really look at how it all went down, Ross took over the reins as owner and voice of the team in 2011 when he courted Harbaugh with Ireland at his side. Parcells had been the team czar until he left in 2010. The courting of Harbaugh didn’t pan out and Sparano remained HC. After a poor season at 3-10 Sparano was fired in-season. Philbin was hired in 2012 and after going 7-9, 8-8, 8-8 and 1-3, he was fired in-season this past season and here we are now with Gase. So it’s clear Ross isn’t content with mediocrity or being a bad team. Gase is only the 2nd HC he’s hired. So his track record of failure is a lot shorter than you make it out to be.
NOT SAYING Ross is/is not content with mediocrity. I’m saying he consistently makes poor choices. I’m surprised you can’t tell the difference.
Also, Ross bought controlling interest inj the team in February of 2008, not in 2011. He was the one who discussed Miami’s win over the Jets to clinch the AFC East on the last weekend of the season–and celebrated it in the Dolphins’ locker. Huizenga was nowhere to be seen in the locker (because he only owned 45% of the team).–So, in my mind, Ross’s rule began in the 2008 season, not 2011. But, hell, I’m wondering if Ross has 7 more bad years will people still say “It’s Wayne’s fault,” even though NO major football decision has been made by Huizenga since February of 2008. Losers ALWAYS look to blame someone else for their failures, it seems.
I’m well aware of his mistakes and he’s admitted to them. But it’s been a much shorter period of time (5 years) than you make it out to be to make your criticism of him be more damaging. I can tell the difference just fine.
I’ve always said he’s learning on the job. But he tries and gives the team every resource to get better. He’s not cheap or overly controlling. He hired Mike Tannenbaum last year like him or not, to oversee what he Ross is not qualified to do. If you remember when Parcells walked away in early 2010, Ireland became more prominent as did Ross’ adviser Carl Peterson. In 2011 Ireland started to get a bloated ego because he had the support of Carl Peterson because he gave him his first opportunity as a scout with KC in 1997. Then in 2012 Ireland attempted to be the all powerful one which didn’t sit well with new HC Joe Philbin or other front office personnel including Dawn Aponte. That’s when all that crap started. In early 2014 Ireland was fired and Ross hired Hickey as GM.
Now it’s Tannenbaum, Grier and Gase, Ross’ own trifecta. It’s the first time he’s hired all three phases to work together from the outside. Let’s hope this is the right mix.
OD
Like I said
you’ve seen more football then most of us
but I really do think the franchise begun an ugly decline under wayne huzienga
its really hard to evaluate owners
the only think we have is franchise success
and certainly Ross has had very little
So maybe he is the catalyst to the whole thing
but I really didn’t care much for Huzienga not just with the Dolphins but with the marlins either
I remember during the Wansteadt/Huzienga years a few dolfans suggesting the mistakes made that would follow us for years – an I think they were right about
Huzienga is the guy that parted ways with Shula and took the tame Robbie off the stadium
I really think those were 2 of the biggest slaps in the face of the franchise
our history is behind us now – and sometimes it seems far away from us
but I think Huzienga really pushed us there
again, I think its hard to evaluate an owner
but when everything goes wrong – it makes sense to look to the top
and I think you make a good point about where we are with Ross
but I cannot forget what Ross bought into which was a bad situation in my opinion
So I am kind of undecided on Ross
as opposed to where I was a year ago with him which was a more positive view of Ross
I think in general a lot of people don’t want to think about ownership b/c its out of our control
and that is more consistent with the feedback you got
not that you are wrong
or that they are happy with the franchise under ross
Ross’ tenure holding the reins is not a long period of time either despite perception and that’s what it is, perception. It’s 5 seasons and he handed it over to Tannenbaum last year because he’s not a football guy. You can fill an article with pork to make it seem richer lol, but what I said in my recent post is the timeline. There is no debating it. That’s how it happened.
I had never heard Ross speak on behalf of the team as a controlling owner until 2011 during the Harbaugh fiasco. Remember the round table with him, Ireland and the uncomfortable Sparano? That’s when he became hands on owner. That’s when we found out for the first time who Ross was as an active football team owner. A guy looking for answers and trying to go after big fish.
I think he is trying real hard
And failing
And it drives me crazy
He’s right at that point going from new owner to not so new
I do t really look at what Ross did per se as wrong
It just ends up not working…lol
DBolt
are you a fan of Calhoun
I kind of like him
but Wyoming insisted on blowing that up by showing clips of him being dominated….lol
Calhoune as a 2nd round option is very interesting
and I love the Jack/Wright combo at LB
Those 2 would cause havoc behind our DTs
I think he needs some added weight, but he can bend the edge, use his hands well, and closes like a beast. Needs to be more consistent in anchoring down and setting the edge. He’s more well refined as a player than OV coming out and may already be better using his hands to disengage from blockers than OV right now. He’s next on my list if Dodd’s not available.
He reminds me a little of wake
I’m not sure why
But he does
I don’t think it will be a seemless transition to the pros for him
But he might be worth being patient for
Piggy
I actually like Calhoun!
I just think he is better suited as a 3-4 OLB!
I just really like Spriggs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Okay
I think from what I saw if Calhoun he played a lot with his hand in the ground
But yeah – he’s light
And spriggs did push him around in the tape you posted
It wasn’t pretty for calhoune
wow did any of you guys see that cam newton press conference after the SB. what a poor loser
Fuck off!
I REALLY don’t want to hear that shit!!!!!!!!!! 😉
Who is cam newton?
OD, Parcells was running the team from late 2007 thru early 2010. You can think what you want but Ross was not an active owner until that 2011 offseason – meaning after the 2010 season. Just because he celebrated in the locker room in 2009 after making the playoffs in the 08 season, that means he was as active as he is now? That’s not how it was. He was just beginning to experience life as the 95% owner. He didn’t really get his feet wet for another 2 years.
Why are we debating history? It is what it is. Okay I’ll give you 6 years he’s been in control. At the end of the day he’s hired two HCs and two GMs during his reign. He inherited everything else.
lol @ wyoming
ok sorry how about this for a topic then……..did you hear that ross is the worst owner ever in the history of sports. it is proven fact that he is worst then an roman emperor who loved watching sword fights amongest his teammates. i am sure ross would try it too if he could just now a days there are sexual harassment laws
Good Lord I would almost rather talk about the Greatness of Trump!
Or Hillary’s attributes?
The Flying Pig says:
February 17, 2016 at 9:43 pm
Who is cam newton?
lol piggy. he is this very black qb who some one like ross would never hire due to his membership in the KKK
lol wyoming
i hear himarys attribute is bigger then trumps. but that might of just been that
Hillary Trump Stump porno i was watching
Piggy, Ross has hired two HCs and two GMs along with his own football czar in 5 years. He inherited everything else. Why is this so hard for people to accept? His reign is 5 years. By the tone of bloggers you would think it’s a decade or more. It’s not. LOL
For the record, his first football czar has one year under his belt and his 2nd GM and HC just got started. Wow… it’s been so long, so much suffering. He has nothing to do with the past beyond 2011. He wasn’t an active owner yet. What did he do in 2010, say I want to build a winner? LOL
My stance on this also has nothing to do with my opinion of Ross. It’s his timeline. I’m just laying it out how it went down.
tim
ross has not won shit as the owner. not only that he keeps causing traffic jams on I-95. so he just sucks. he needs to sell the team to me for $16.34 and then and only then will he be a good owner. he is still responsible for the traffic jams but at least not the dolphins