The Wedge Scouting Report: Noah Spence, LB/DE

Blew up another planet and exterminated another entire species last week!

BOOM!

I’m a Superstar Intergalactic Agent.  One of the best!  A planet destroying award winner with an outstanding record of destroying lifeforms!

But things weren’t always so great for me…I’m ashamed to admit…that once days were dark for me…You see I used to be addicted to Hapkomah Dice.

Everyday I used to play the dice.  I don’t know what it was, I didn’t always win.  Actually I lost a lot – but the risk, the risk was a rush.  There’s nothing like those dice in your hands, right before you role WOW…I miss it.

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I used to dream about the dice…every morning…every night…for breakfast…for lunch…for dinner.

GIVE ME THE HAPKOMAH DICE

Um…I guess I developed kinda a problem

I guess you can say I was an addict.

And then…ROCK BOTTOM.  I was strung out.  I forgot to launch and missed a deadline to destroy an entire galaxy we were planning to eliminate for a millennium.

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Well no big deal…we blew up that galaxy a year later and I gave up the dice.

Sort of reminds me of Ohio State…no Eastern Kentucky pass rusher Noah Spence

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If you don’t know by now Noah Spence is one of many pass rushers available in the 2016 NFL draft.  And he was kicked out of Ohio State for positive drug tests.

Before he was kicked out of Ohio State, Spence was a starter for the Buckeyes in his very first year, not easy to do on that talented team.  In 2013 Noah Spence compiled 52 tackles, and 8 sacks in 12 starts.

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But 2014 was not so smooth for Spence.  He was suspended for his bowl game and the first two games on 2014.  Then he tested positive again a second time in 2014.

Spence’s problem was with ecstasy.  He openly admitted he had a problem and went into a drug treatment program.  Spence had to watch the Buckeyes make history and win the 2015 College Championship on TV like the rest of us.

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He didn’t come out in the 2015 draft through.  Spence transferred to little ole’ Eastern Kentucky.  What can I tell you about Eastern Kentucky?  Well I think its on the Eastern side of Kentucky and Noah Spence played there for a year.

And did he ever play.

In 2015 Noah Spence had 11.5 sacks and was a force on the field.

He bounced back!  Just like me!

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So why should an NFL team take a chance Spence?

Well if 6-3, 252 pounds with speed doesn’t excite you…then you should find your way to the next planet I destroy…because you are not alive.

But do you want to spend a high pick on a guy with that checkered history.  Spence is expected to go in the first two rounds of the NFL draft.

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So he is quite a risk.

Which also reminds me of dice…

If Noah Spence was a Alien Weapon of Destruction, he would be the deadly

Hapkomah Dice!

I hate you Hapkomah Dice…But I love you too.

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Check Out his highlights here.

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683 Responses to The Wedge Scouting Report: Noah Spence, LB/DE

  1. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    LB potentIal

  2. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    I probably gave Scooby the Seastrunk curse
    I better focus on other prospects or he is done for

  3. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    If we’re going to this Wide 9 defense I like us to target Bruce Irvin in FA who can play both DE and OLB. Then we could hone in on MLB and DB early in the draft.

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      If nothing more
      It’s much needed depth

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Exactly! A vet to compete and provide depth. Then either target a starting guard in FA as well or the draft to compete with our other young guards. I expect a couple of them to be better in 2016.

  4. olddolphan's avatar olddolphan says:

    PIGGY: REALLY appreciate the effort you put into these articles. If the major newspapers put this much effort into their sports pages, A LOT MORE PEOPLE would actually read the sports sections. But many/most just gloss over them, especially at this time of the year WHEN THEY COULD be providing expert analysis of draft picks, college baseball and the race for the final playoff spots in the National Hockey League. I’ve lived in TWO cities with NHL franchises (Columbus and Tampa). One gives OK to sometimes outstanding NHL coverage (the TWO papers in Tampa) while another (the Cowlumbus Dispatch, AKA “Columbus Disgrace” gives minimal and often blatantly incorrect information because, after all, the Blue Jackets AREN’T the Buckeyes, so poooooh on them!) The very THOUGHT that people could LIVE and EARN A LIVING in Columbus and NOT be an avid Buckeye fan has never occurred to those who run the only paper in central Ohio.
    ———-Well, when I was shoveling waist high snow in central Ohio during my 16-years in the Columbus area, I often DREAMED of winters with 70 degree weather and light balmy breezes. –Oh how I missed the crack of the bats in February, a sure sign that college baseball was beginning! –Fortunately, my hard work and dedication brought me the reward of returning to my beloved Florida with the job I always wanted! –I thought about this just a few minutes ago as my wife and I walked our dogs in PERFECT WEATHER and sunny bliss. “How lucky we are,” I said to my honey. MAY I NEVER AGAIN have to work in central Ohio!!

  5. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Matakevich looked pretty solid in the drills. Definitely athletic enough, and that paired with great instincts and excellent form tacking makes him a great prospect for us.

  6. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    I heard an interview with Geoff Schwartz on Friday driving home. He obviously wasn’t happy when the Giants cut him, but he said he understands it’s a business, they have plans and a bright future, but he said I have plans and a bright future too, and he’s looking forward to finding his new home.

  7. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Mike, I don’t see Scooby like Zach. ZT moved better. Matakevich yes.

  8. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    I feel bad for Jaylon Smith. This must be very difficult for him.

    • olddolphan's avatar olddolphan says:

      Ya, Mike. He might have to rely on his Notre Dame diploma (if he got one), and earn a living in the real world like most of the rest of us. –As far as his injuries, the Vietnam vets I worked on in the Army got paid about a hundred bucks a month (maybe $150) and sustained injuries that, in many cases, were worse than Jaylon Smith’s injuries. While my heart goes out to him and his family, I DO have to remember that our veterans of the Vietnam era have too often slipped from the consciousness of some Americans (tho’ certainly NOT from YOUR consciousness!)
      ————
      Those of us who are mostly healthy need to be thankful. When I see my less-than-healthy wife volunteering for the local cancer hospital and the local hospice I am reminded that commitment to your fellow man in need is a beautiful thing.

  9. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    LB SCOOBY WRIGHT III

    BOTTOM LINE Scooby Wright probably won?t tear up the combine with eye-popping athletic numbers and his injury-plagued 2015 season put his name on the back­burner as far as draft discussions, but his instincts, production and overall competitive fire make him one of the safer second day bets in this draft. He could make a late move up the draft board for teams who value elite production.

    http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Scooby-Wright%20III?id=2555292

  10. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Charles RobinsonVerified account
    ‏@CharlesRobinson
    Exiting #NFL combine, #OleMiss DT Robert Nkemdiche is the leading candidate for a big name draft slide. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/leading-candidate-for-biggest-draft-fall–ole-miss–robert-nkemdiche-223051710.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma

  11. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    OD

    I don’t feel for Smith like I do for a service man who was injured or not injured. I wouldn’t even put them in the same sentence. On the other hand, we’re all given abilities, some people have musical talent, some people have scholastic talent, and others have athletic talent. He was an elite athlete and just as he was at the pinnacle of getting to where he wanted to be, the NFL draft, he was injured, and now can’t achieve what was most likely was a lifelong dream for him. In that regard, I do feel for him. He still will get drafted, but he was likely a top 5 draft pick, so the loss in $$$ is considerable. I hope he heals properly and eventually, gets back to where he was. That would be nice.

  12. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Smith has a pretty lucrative insurance policy

    So it’s not an economic thing

    I just feel bad bc he was such a dynamic player and could have made an impact in the nfl

  13. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    I’m watching the LB drills now

    Deion jones looked awesome

    I thought Blake Martinez didn’t look so good
    Sort of lumbering

  14. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Schoenbert looked good too

  15. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Vigil YUK

  16. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    I didn’t think scooby wright looked so bad

    But he does move his arms weird – he flaps them all around
    He looked good on the back peddle
    With wright I’m counting on the combine dropping him

  17. olddolphan's avatar olddolphan says:

    PROBABLY OLD NEWS but did you guys see that Joey Bosa’s time (4.88 in the 40) and vertical jump (a pedestrian 32 inches) was highlighted in ESPN’s report from the combine today? If BOSA drops to #8, I don’t think I’d take him.

  18. D's avatar D says:

    Ogbah def looked good. More importantly than his 49 time was his 10 yard split time. Which I think was 1.59. Think of 10 yard split as time it takes him to sack the QB if he breaks free on a speed rush. Short yardage speed is way more relevant to most the DL. Rarely are these guys ever going to reach top end speed so if the have a good 10 yard split and a so so 40 it matters more about the split

  19. 81Howie's avatar 81Howie says:

    And where are all the Black players getting these outrageous last names? They must be making them up themselves and than get it legalized at the courthouse.

  20. D's avatar D says:

    Bosa acted like a dick as well as kinda sucking on the skills assessment. He has talent and they are right his hand use is elite but he is not someone I care to draft. I have never included him in my mocks and I’m really not overly impressed with him.

  21. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Thanks Pig, I don’t know what all the hype is on Scooby he sucks. Plays slow, and like his hands are small and weak, misses a lot of tackles. He may make a lot of tackles, but his percentage of plays he makes compared to how many he should make are not good. One of the scouting reports said the D is setup to funnel the ball carrier to him. He takes good angles, that helps him get a lot of tackles down field.

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      He’s got good instincts

      And instincts matter
      He’s not a superstar on a bad defense

      on a good defense though, he is invaluable

      I think he is the kind of guy to thrive behind a good DL

      The thing about Scooby is there won;t be a lot of players like him left in the 3rd round
      and that is where he has value, 3rd round or later

      He can start in this league and will compliment a good defense

  22. D's avatar D says:

    Ogbah looked good, Bullard looked good, Tapper really looked explosive, though I still see him as more of amud rounds guy, maybe high as 3rd. I know they are saying Nkemdiche has flags and they are worried about him but I’d take him in a heartbeat if he falls to our second. I really liked Dodds interview, ID take him in thesecond as well. I think there is going to be one of these elite guys who fall to our second, I’m pretty excited to see who we take.

    Deion Jones is just a football player period. I’d be really happy for us to take he or Brothers.

  23. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    Jason Cole reports free agent CB Janoris Jenkins recently rejected a five-year, $45 million offer from the Rams.
    Jenkins has since fired his agent and is switching to the same representation that negotiated Darrelle Revis’ contract. By rule, Jenkins isn’t allowed to hire an agent within five days of canning his previous one, so the Rams are now going to be up against the wall and will probably have to compete with other teams for Jenkins. The $9 million annually the Rams offered Jenkins would have made him one of the 13 highest-paid corners in annual average, but, of course, we have no idea what the guaranteed money was in the Rams’ offer. Jenkins is coming off easily his best season and is probably seeking upwards of $10 million per year.

  24. rgs322's avatar rgs322 says:

    …not much has changed for me. The guys I liked coming in are still the ones I like right now for the Phins.

    Spriggs, Garnett, and Tretola on the OL
    Bullard, Kaufusi, and Sheldon Day on the DL
    Jack, Ragland, Brothers, and Deion Jones at LB

    Tomorrow it’s Ramsey(FS), Hargreaves, William Jackson, and Eric Murray at DB.

    Also, I really like Elliott, but I doubt we’ll take a RB that early.

  25. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Thanks Wyoming, on the Scooby link.

  26. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Tim Knight says:

    February 28, 2016 at 2:48 pm

    He’s ready to make a tackle.

    That’s why he’ll be a 3-4 rd pick. Speed for LBs does mean something. The same for edge rushers, DBs and offensive skill players. They run a lot, how could it not mean anything? The 40 shows how well a guy can move his body in a pure sprint. It doesn’t measure instincts and toughness etc., but we all know that though.
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    I thought we had this discussion on speed and most disagreed with me when I said it matters. Scooby sits back and plays read and react, then tries to get to the ball, but mostly is too slow to make a play. His style needs speed that he doesn’t have, he’ll never make it in the NFL.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      I do think it has merit in extreme cases meaning really fast or really slow. I thought Scooby looked bad in drills and ran a slow 4.91.

  27. sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

    Dolphins facebook page has had like 3 Scooby-Doo wright to Zach comparisons today alone.

  28. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    8: R1P8
    CB JALEN RAMSEY
    FLORIDA ST
    42: R2P11
    OLB SU’A CRAVENS
    USC
    73: R3P10
    OLB JOSHUA PERRY
    OHIO STATE
    108: R4P9
    G JOSHUA GARNETT
    STANFORD
    147: R5P8
    CB D.J. WHITE
    GEORGIA TECH
    189: R6P11
    OLB JOE SCHOBERT
    WISCONSIN
    225: R7P6
    RB KEITH MARSHALL
    GEORGIA
    229: R7P10
    QB JACOBY BRISSETT
    NORTH CAROLINA ST

    In this draft Ramsey plays safety and cravens plays LB

  29. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    DB’s start working out in just 8 minutes. This should be very interesting. We could easily be going DB with our 1st pick.

  30. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    I know some fans don’t like Darron Lee’s complete game yet thinking he isn’t polished but man that guy is quick and athletic. He was really impressive in drills.

    • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

      Uh-oh – Tim’s got himself some combine love. lol

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Well I liked Lee before the combine and had a few fans tell me no way in the 1st round.

        I do think the combine drills do expose athleticism or lack thereof, it’s just not the end all. For example Scooby Wright really struggled, but he was productive on the field. I thought he looked really bad in drills and ran a slow 40 at 4.91.

  31. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Eli Apple is a good prospect
    DJ White is one of my favorite day 3 targets
    The CB from Houston is also good

    Jeremy Cash is my favorite safety after Ramsey

    Some names to look for today

  32. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Tim

    Matakevich did OK in the drills, and I think he’s probably going to be a very good pro, albeit likely a 2-down LB

  33. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Walter has us taking Hargreaves, Apple, then Sheldon Day, and then Sebastian Tretola. I know a bunch of people would be very happy with that draft.

  34. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Hargreaves ran a 4.52. Not fantastic, but good enough.

  35. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Mike, Day at 6-0 286 and 5.07 40 doesn’t scream DE to me.

  36. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    WTF – Alexander and Ramsey aren’t running?

  37. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Hate the “playing it safe” angle. I understand it, but I don’t like it.

  38. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Hargreaves did better on his second run, 4.43

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Wow that was quite a difference. He must have made a mistake on the 1st run.

    • D's avatar D says:

      Hargreaves is plenty fast. He wore Amari Cooper like a glove matched one on one and not many people can say they were able to do that. In fact cooper outside of one TD that he out hands’d Hargreaves and fought him off for the TD did cooper score on him that game.

  39. Al in MIA's avatar Al in MIA says:

    Here are my thoughts on Ragland…
    When it comes to first RDers, I’m looking first for special talents that can be the best at their position in the NFL or have the abilities to be the best at their position. This is a tough criteria and often, the draft does not possess someone who can excel at a certain position and then it’s off to the next best thing available to meet BPA. I like Ragland but I don’t think he could ever be a top 5 MLB in the NFL based on his skills set and that’s why I’m passing on him. He’s not even as good as CJ Mosley was when he left Bama (I wasn’t fond of Mosley either) so I’m definitely skeptical about taking him over any CB or OLB or OL i see available in RD 1 for the 2016 draft. MLB is a huge need for Miami but if the elite talent is not there, you have to go with the elite talent at another position.

  40. Al in MIA's avatar Al in MIA says:

    Tim Knight says:
    February 29, 2016 at 9:55 am

    Mike, Day at 6-0 286 and 5.07 40 doesn’t scream DE to me.
    Reply
    ——-
    Agreed. That is DT at best stuff (if you can gain 10 more pounds)

    • D's avatar D says:

      He was running the coverage drills and looked pretty athletic for a DT. What was his 10 yard split time? If he was low 1.7’s he is good enough to play DE.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        He’s not exactly a prototype DE body type and there are plenty that are.

      • D's avatar D says:

        I get that, im just saying 40 time of 5.08 doesnt say much to his ability, more about that 10 yard split time. I dont get the feel he would be a good DE either. Im not a fan of him , but he is a pretty solid 2nd or 3rd round selection.

  41. Al in MIA's avatar Al in MIA says:

    Tim,
    I know you don’t like to qualify alot of the top end OLB as MLB candidates but all that aside, the OLB group in this draft looks very good 🙂

    • D's avatar D says:

      OLB is about athleticism, MLB has a component that is intinctual and cerebral. I thinkt here are tons of OLB that can play ILB/MLB but it really depends on the kid. If he is really football smart and can read plays well, and has good instincts for the what gap a RB might choose then i think you can consider them for MLB. As small as Jones is, he could play MLB, i think Jack probably could as well. The other thing you have to consider is are you wasting a premium OLB prospect putting them in the middle. Id hate to know we took a gy out of a natural position where he is a stud and tried to force him into a spot where he might be more limited. Fans cant do that well, but the scouts and coaches know if the guy is someone they can play there.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Yeah there are a lot of good defenders in this draft. It’s pretty deep into the mid rounds.

  42. Al in MIA's avatar Al in MIA says:

    D,
    Joey is a good talent no doubt, wins on technique when you see him on film (not speed and necessarily pure power). I like his talents for the NFL DE position, however, I see his interviews on non-football subjects and I see that meathead mentality and dickhead attitude (comes from his family no doubt). I wish he would talk crap about Chris Long sometime that way someone could fire back and say “at least Long’s family didn’t suck dick in the NFL”

  43. D's avatar D says:

    I wouldnt take Ragland at 8, not over a CB. OLB would really depend on who it is, other than Jack im not taking any other LB over Ragland, and i dont think Jack lasts until our pick. That said i disagree that he isnt potentially a top 5 ILB. I think he is going to be a stud, but i also think he will have to mature in some areas to be complete. I still think the guy will get there because he is a professional in all sense of the words when it comes to developing and putting his best on the field and his physical traits arent ones that no matter how hard he tries he wont be able to overcome them.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      If you feel Ragland could be your MLB for years to come and would be willing to take him a little further down in the 1st, unless you have other prospects graded much higher than him at #8, why not take him at #8?

  44. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    Wow, my later round guy DB Sean Davis who I had targeted @ FS ran a 4.46. That’s great for the big guy. He’ll likely move up most teams boards.

  45. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Al
    I agree with you about Ragland
    He is a good player
    He’s not special
    I kind of feel the same way about Bosa

    I’m getting to the point where I want to trade down
    If we had 3 picks in the top 60 or so, we can probably build a pretty good defense

    I think Myles Jack and Jalen Ramsey may be special players
    but they may be gone by 8

    Jalen Smith is another one – but his injury took a good player off the board.

    Ragland is solid, I don’t want to badmouth him – but I don’t see a great player in Ragland

    • D's avatar D says:

      There is going to be plenty of talent well into the 3rd round on the defensive side, i would make sure though that we draft the weaker groups first. CB has some good talent, but outside the 1st round guys it drops off pretty steep, ILB is also like that, FS is also pretty shallow after the top tier guys. OLB DE DL is a pretty stacked group.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      How many great players will be there when we pick? I’m pretty sure Ramsey and Mack will not be there. This draft seems more deep than special. Ragland outperformed every ILB in the drills.

  46. jetsssuck's avatar jetsssuck says:

    D says:
    February 29, 2016 at 10:41 am

    Hargreaves is plenty fast. He wore Amari Cooper like a glove matched one on one and not many people can say they were able to do that. In fact cooper outside of one TD that he out hands’d Hargreaves and fought him off for the TD did cooper score on him that game.
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    The guy is a all-pro in his 2-3 season. I have never seen a cb on a goal line play play outs9ide shoulder then break up the pass easilly when it was thrown as down and inside slant. The guy recovered without even leaving his feet and this was a do or die play in overtime. If you get the chance to see the Utube highlight against U Miami you will understand why he is a top rated CB.

  47. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    I agree with Al on Bosa. His game tape is very good and he looks the part. I also agree his personality kind of sucks. He seemed so bored to be there.

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      I think he said he got up at 5AM , so cut him some slack on the personality

      He looks powerful on tape – no necessarily quick or fast
      But he is right about his hand technique being very good
      I think he thrives on that

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        I said he looks good on tape. He plays faster than he times as well. But he wasn’t the only one who had to get up early. I just thought he came off as kind of jerk. Then again I don’t really care if all the players on my team are nice guys.

  48. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    Sean Davis would be our Gronk eraser!

    • getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

      He also did 21 reps on the bench. 6’1 201 with 4.46 speed.

    • D's avatar D says:

      No one has found a Gronk eraser so far, not sure Sean Davis is going to come in and be that guy. He’s talented for sure and laid one of the best hits i have seen in a while on second play of the Senior Bowl, still thats quite a statement there.

  49. D's avatar D says:

    Tim Knight says:
    February 29, 2016 at 10:53 am
    If you feel Ragland could be your MLB for years to come and would be willing to take him a little further down in the 1st, unless you have other prospects graded much higher than him at #8, why not take him at #8?
    —————————————
    Because i feel certain you can get him deeper and pick up some extra picks that we could really use. Its about value for me, its about needs out-weighing the risk of not staying put and taking him then.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      You need a trade partner. What prospect is a team trading up for? Being that this draft is deeper than special, I’m not sure we’ll see much of that. I’m also asking the question based on what our FO might think. I’m not sure the CBs are clearly better values though I do like a few of them.

      • D's avatar D says:

        Im not trading the pick personally, unless Hargreaves, Ramsey, Tunsil and Jack are all gone, maybe even Stanley though him being on the board probably really pushes for a trade back, Conklin is also really rising in the draft and might would garner some interest from teams that wants to make sure they got him. I think also you still have the FS position with a guy like Darian Thompson or Keanu Neal who might entice people to trade up to get due to how thin that draft class is.

        There are always things that push people to trade, sometimes its depth of a position group, sometimes its a specific player and his talent and how much a team is just enamored with them, who knows what going to be there or not be there.

        If you are asking me if id select him given all the previous players listed are gone and i got no bites from trade partners, then i probably do, or take a guy like Lawson, Bullard, or Nkemdiche for a DE prospect.

  50. D's avatar D says:

    A guy i keep in the back of my mind as a later round pick, Jonathan Jones from Auburn ran a 4.33, much better than i thought. He’s a smaller dude, but might be a good guy to think about for a developmental pickup.

  51. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    I’d be careful about Gronk erasers. Not sure 6-1 200 is big enough to be that. More like a 6-3 220 S/LB who can really run and is tough.

    • D's avatar D says:

      Id be careful because a lot of very good players have tried and none have been successful. I dont mean to put a Pat on a pedestal but the guy is uncommonly good and extremely difficult to match up against.

  52. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    D, Sean Davis besides a bunch of tackles, most of which are bone jarring, he was among the college leaders with 5 forced fumbles to go with his 3 INT’s in 2015. He’s built like Laron Landry with 4.46 speed. He could really become a very good NFL player.

    • D's avatar D says:

      I dont doubt he will become a good player, we both like the guy, we are on the same side there, but i dont think Gronk eraser is something you can claim for him.

  53. D's avatar D says:

    Tim i had a reply for you above, im pulling an OD.

  54. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    D, you watch a lot of UF too. What do you think of McCalister?
    If he can get past the character Issues & manage to keep some weight on, I think he could develop nicely. He’s very quick & athletic.

    • D's avatar D says:

      I like him, i think he has really good instincts for rushing the passer. I agree, he’s a really thin build and will need to put on some weight but yeah he’s talented no doubt. I think his character issues will get cleaned up, the are mostly maturity issues not as much drug related, though maturity problems can manifest themselves in almost any kind of way. He’d be worth a mid round selection just because of upside. He could turn out to be a Dion Jordan though so i wouldnt risk a high level investment.

  55. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    D, I also like Lawson, Bullard and Nkemdiche.

  56. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    LMAO @ you guys. You take an off the cuff quip (Gronk eraser) and perform surgery on it.
    I like Sean Davis abilities. He’d be a good late/mid round pick, and he fits what we need in the secondary. Grier even said it. They want to get more physical. Physical is how you have to play guys like Gronk. Hopefully we have a LB or two that can pick him up too, depending where they’re at on the field. Guys like Hewitt, Vigil, & a draft pick like Jack or Lee, etc.

  57. Al in MIA's avatar Al in MIA says:

    D,
    How many dominant DE you read about at 6-0? the arm length is at a major disadvantage for sure. at 5.07 sec 40 time you aren’t going to have a fast 10 yard split ….NFL OT will feast on him … You do have a history of shorter DT winning the gap battles in 4-3 formations (Aaron Donald). In fact some HOFers like Sapp .. AT DE? you dont even hear much about Pro Bowl 6-0 DE let alone HOF

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      That’s what I’m saying.

    • D's avatar D says:

      I wasnt saying he could play DE, gotta go back and read my reply to Tim, i was just saying the 40 time wasnt the stat you should be looking at for a persons ability at DE. I said he didnt look like a DE to me. I actually asked what his split time is, i dont even know what it is, i was just saying thats a better thing to use if you are questioning if a guy can play that position or not.

  58. D's avatar D says:

    Id draft Sean Davis as a FS though, i wouldnt be looking to move him to CB.

    • getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

      Exactly. I pegged him @ FS for the NFL right away….and in a pinch he could play some CB since he has exp there as well.

  59. D's avatar D says:

    Dodd and Ogbah both looked good to me as well. There are a lot of pass rushers that look good and thats a really good thing for us.

  60. D's avatar D says:

    I loves how much time they spent talking up how many Ohio State players were at combine and them most of them kinda looked pretty bleh. That Thomas guy looked really bad. Bosa looked pretty bad. I didnt think Braxton Miller looked particularly good. Adolphus Washington didnt look that good. Elliot was probably the best one i saw.

  61. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Ramsey is in the 2nd group and will run the 40 in the afternoon.

  62. D's avatar D says:

    I didnt think Demarcus Robinson wowed me in the 40 but he looked pretty good in the position drills, and there is a video out there of him doing back-flips at the combine, retarded hops, got all kinda air under him. Ill see if i can find it and post it.

  63. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    D, I guess me & you can give up on the thought of FA Jenoris Jenkins or Trumaine Johnson….lol
    Trumaine is getting tagged or resigned & Jenkins turned down a 5yr $45M deal by the Rams. Word is that he’s seeking $12M per.
    That’s why you try to keep building through the draft as much as possible…lol

  64. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    Patriots signed Tom Brady to a two-year extension through 2019.
    Brady was scheduled to be an unrestricted free agent in 2018. The deal locks Brady up through his age-42 season and will likely lower his scheduled $15 million cap hit.

  65. D's avatar D says:

    Franchise tag for Vernon will be 15.7 mil. No thanks.

  66. D's avatar D says:

    getterdone says:
    February 29, 2016 at 11:58 am
    He’ll get top money since Johnson & Norman will be retained by their teams.
    —————————–
    You are probably right you will likely get someone to overpay, but im not sure he gets 12mil per. Just have to see how it turns out. Either way, that decision really sets my 1st round decision if we dont go big in FA. Im actually more favoring the draft anyways. Jenkins in FA was just another option for us imo, not the preferred one.

  67. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Jalen Ramsey measured in at 6-1 209 and just ran a 4.46 40. Also had a 41.5″ vertical and 11.3 broad.

  68. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Jaylon Smith did get measured and he came in a lot smaller than projected. 6-2 223.

  69. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    I would love a trade down in this draft but we are at that part of the draft where the top few will be gone and then you have a bunch of prospects with similar grades. That probably translates to a lack of trading partners

  70. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Ken, the only chance we have to trade down is if we move down quite a bit to a team who is really high on a player. But it won’t be cheap so I’m not expecting it.

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      I just don’t see anyone at 8 that people will be chomping at the bit to get at. Most teams will have 2-3 guys rated in the same range at that number. Our only hope is that one of the top 2 QBs falls a bit and some one wants to move up to grab one.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        I tend to agree. That’s why I said it has to team who is really high on a guy and feel they have to move mow. I’m not expecting it.

  71. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    Ken, I believe a trade down opportunity may be there with Chicago, Philly, & possibly the Lions.

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      Anything is possible but most teams after the first 4-5 guys are probably in a spot where there are 2-3 possible targets so they can just take a pass and if they miss out on one guy there is most likely someone else they equally value.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Philly doesn’t have a 2nd rd pick though.

  72. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    The Miami Herald’s Armando Salguero reports the Dolphins and impending free agent DE Olivier Vernon are not close to a deal.
    The two sides are still meeting, but Salguero reports nothing is “imminent.” The standoff means the Dolphins will have to decide whether or not to use the franchise tag on Vernon by the Tuesday afternoon deadline. The tag would cost $15.7 million.

  73. D's avatar D says:

    Your score is: 7614 (GRADE: A)

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 8: Vernon Hargreaves III, CB, Florida (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 11: Jonathan Bullard, DE/DT, Florida (A+)
    Round 3 Pick 10: Deion Jones, OLB, LSU (A)
    Round 4 Pick 9: Kenyan Drake, RB, Alabama (A-)
    Round 5 Pick 8: Charles Tapper, DE, Oklahoma (A+)
    Round 6 Pick 11: Demarcus Robinson, WR, Florida (B-)
    Round 7 Pick 6: Avery Young, OT, Auburn (B)
    Round 7 Pick 10: Charone Peake, WR, Clemson (A+)

    🙂

  74. D's avatar D says:

    Ronnie Stanley dropping to us would definitely make some want to trade up, though im doubting he makes it past Baltimore. Lack of WR depth makes someone like Laquon Treadwell a pressure pick, so that might would cause someone to want to trade up. CB is think group but we need CB so its unlikely we would trade knowing the tradee wants CB. There are a few options out there but its slim from my perspective. QB dropping would for sure be one as well. Other point could be a person in love with a certain guy who is still on the board, ie Atlanta i hear really likes Leonard Floyd so they might be interested in moving up to get Floyd so some other team doesnt take him.

  75. D's avatar D says:

    I dont think we tag Vernon, we lose all leverage working out a deal with him if we drop a guaranteed 15.7 mil on him. I also dont think we want to get hit with that high of a cap penalty. He’s good, he impressed in year 4, but he certainly isnt someone you want to pay what could be a 1 year 15.7 mil rental on. Either work out a deal or move on.

    • getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

      I almost keep seeing him more as a 3-4 OLB. Regardless, I don’t want him @ anything over $10M. We can get by in this draft with a solid DE & even sign 1 in FA that comes much cheaper…IMO.

  76. D's avatar D says:

    Speaking of trading down, what are you looking for in compensation, do you only trade back with someone willing to part with a 2nd, do you trade back if the person you find only offers a third, do you take a really small trade back for like a 4th or 5th? What would you set your targets on and what would you compromise to.

    • D's avatar D says:

      Lions for sure could be looking to pick up Laquon Treadwell. Id think its pretty much a pressure pick situation for them. Im sure the Giants would really be invloved if Stanley slipped. Rams for sure if a top QB fell. Colts for Stanley as well.

    • getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

      That’s all dependent on how far back you’re willing to go & the compensation for that position.
      I’ve been looking at short moves with teams like Chicago, Philly, maybe Oakland. It could even happen with say the Giants or TB.

  77. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Good draft D

    I just have a feeling Tapper will shoot up draft boards after the combine
    And I prefer 1 more LB😜

  78. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    D, yeah Stanley, Treadwell, a coveted Dt or DE, or QB could trigger a trade scenario.
    Personally, if Stanley is there @ #8, i’d be tempted to just take him for ourselves. He could turn out to be better in the long run than Tunsil…IMO.

  79. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    If we tag Vernon. Hulk will be very angry.

  80. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Tim Knight says:
    February 29, 2016 at 10:59 am (Edit)
    How many great players will be there when we pick? I’m pretty sure Ramsey and Mack will not be there. This draft seems more deep than special. Ragland outperformed every ILB in the drills.

    *****
    There are less than a handful of great players
    I think Maybe Tunsil, Ramsey and Jack are it

    Like I said about Ragland
    He’s solid
    But not great
    I would rather have 2 solid players than 1

    That’s why if the opt presents itself, I trade down

    I think I like Hargreaves, Alexander, Lee, Ngemckhi, and Lawson all more than Ragland

    But I do think Ragland is solid
    The reality is it’s a little odd for a safety and an OLB to be the best players in the draft
    So maybe one of them falls to 8

    If not I might trade down or even “reach” for a player I prefer
    Maybe sae LB for 2nd or 3rd round

  81. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    If I don’t get my dream of Jack and Scooby
    Than a combo of Darron Lee and Deion Jones might work

    Piggy wants LBs
    Do not deny the pork!

  82. D's avatar D says:

    Your score is: 7735 (GRADE: A)

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 8: Vernon Hargreaves III, CB, Florida (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 11: Emmanuel Ogbah, DE, Oklahoma State (A)
    Round 3 Pick 10: Deion Jones, OLB, LSU (A)
    Round 4 Pick 9: Spencer Drango, OG/OT, Baylor (A-)
    Round 5 Pick 8: Jerell Adams, TE, South Carolina (B)
    Round 6 Pick 11: Kelvin Taylor, RB, Florida (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 6: Charone Peake, WR, Clemson (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 10: Demarcus Robinson, WR, Florida (A)

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      Just 1 LB?!?!

      😑

    • D's avatar D says:

      Have a hard time passing on Demarcus Robinson just because of the upside. Charone Peake i think is going to be an awesome WR, good size/speed and seems pretty solid all the way around. As a replacement for Matthews either of those guys are improvements on Matthews. Its possible we take a couple WR’s in this draft in lower rounds, we have a set 3, but i have a feeling we keep 6 again. Even if its 5 though im sure we get a couple to round out the last two spots, one to compete with Hazel and the other to replace Jennings.

    • getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

      Decent looking draft sans 2 WR’s late, but both have talent. I like TE Adams in the 5th, Drango in the 4th. I’d be shocked if Ogbah is there in the 2nd.

  83. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    possible trade up & down scenarios will become a little more clear after the 1st week or so of FA.

  84. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

  85. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    If you guys want my seal of approval on your drafts
    Pictured below
    You MUST draft at least 2 Linebackers!

  86. D's avatar D says:

    Here ya go Piggy
    Hargreaves, Tunsil and Ramsey off the board when i picked.

    Your score is: 7362 (GRADE: A)

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 8: Darron Lee, OLB/ILB, Ohio State (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 11: Emmanuel Ogbah, DE, Oklahoma State (A)
    Round 3 Pick 10: Deion Jones, OLB, LSU (A)
    Round 4 Pick 9: Keanu Neal, FS, Florida (B)
    Round 5 Pick 8: Cyrus Jones, CB, Alabama (A-)
    Round 6 Pick 11: D.J. Pettway, DE, Alabama (B-)
    Round 7 Pick 6: Charone Peake, WR, Clemson (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 10: Daniel Lasco, RB, California (A+)

  87. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    The Chicago Tribune passes along “word on the street” from the Combine that free agent CB Sean Smith is seeking $8 million to $10 million per year.
    Many top free agents will be able to hit their monetary goals in a year where so many teams are flush with salary cap room. Smith is a 28-year-old press-man cornerback with rare size (6’4/214). He finished last season as a top-20 cornerback in PFF’s coverage grades and will get paid handsomely.
    ____________________________
    I’d rather pay Jenoris Jenkins that….lol

  88. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    New regime, ya never know what players they may like that were here before. Other teams have done it. But, I too wouldn’t want SS back at that price. He has become a solid player, but that’s a lot of coin for what he does….IMO.

    I rather draft a taller type CB in Rashard Robinson, James Bradberry, or Deiondre Hall. Even a Justin Simmons, TJ Green.

  89. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Darron Lee

    Weaknesses Smallish linebacker. Play strength doesn’t come close to matching puffed up listed weight. Balance issues at point of attack could plague him over his NFL career. Has the body type of a big safety. Tape shows few authoritative tackles. Involved in too many arm and shoestring tackles. Comes flying in and fails to come to balance at times. Charged with 21 missed and five broken tackles over the last two seasons. Always at size disadvantage and will have to learn to slip more blocks. Can get better at finding targets in zone coverage.
    ***********************************

    Is this what we really need, another LB who misses tackles?

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      I’ve read so many different opinions on him. I watched highlights of him making a bunch of big hits and plays so he either sucks 90% of the time and there are only 30+ impressive plays in his entire career, or some are overly negative about him. I really don’t know. I didn’t watch enough college ball.

  90. finfanrob's avatar finfanrob says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    February 29, 2016 at 1:53 pm

    If you guys want my seal of approval on your drafts
    Pictured below
    You MUST draft at least 2 Linebackers!

    yeah but it is your your squeal of approval most are after

  91. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    I have to say, I think I’d rather have Reggie Ragland than Darron Lee at #8, but I’d take Jack, Hargreaves or Ramsey over Ragland.

  92. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    BTW – Hargreaves official time ended up 4.50

  93. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    I am not blown away by Hargreaves as a prospect. I have seen him get beat in coverage a few times and I don’t watch that much FSU.

  94. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Another school shooting in Ohio. 😦

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      But we continue to bury our heads in the sand about reasonable gun control.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Not sure how other than banning it altogether you can avoid this sort of thing. Maybe people need to be more proactive noticing a person’s change in behavior and doing something about it rather than letting it build up and then exploding. The guy who shot those black people in the church in Charleston, his friend knew he was gearing up for that sort of thing.

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        Probably can’t stop every incident but universal background checks, banning assault weaponry and limits on magazine capacity would eliminate many and or reduce the carnage.

  95. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    I’m not for banning guns, because all that does is take guns out of the hands of the average citizen, while the criminals obtain their guns illegally anyway. I do however think that certain types of guns should be banned, like any high capacity magazine. Why any normal citizen needs a 50 + magazine of bullets, I have no idea. That needs to be stopped.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Gun owners will say why can’t I as a law abiding citizen have a gun like that and shoot it for leisure at a range. I would argue there are lots of firepower you can’t own for leisure. The idea to form a militia is outdated because no militia made up of citizenry is defeating our tyrannical military.

  96. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    BTW – I don’t own a gun, but I do have an RPG launcher. I love it! lol

  97. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Ken, well this shooting was 4 people and I don’t believe anyone has died. I have no idea about the firearms used, but a simple revolver could do that. I guess the first order is all schools need more security with armed law enforcement and security checks. Can’t do that everywhere in public but at least in schools.

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      The idea of armed school security shows how far this country has buried it’s head in the head in the sand on gun control. Children should go to school where it’s a safe and effective environment to learn. The idea of armed guards at public schools and lock down drills demonstrates the need for gun control. We are making schools to be prisons for students not places of learning.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        I agree, but criminals or mentally disturbed people can still get their hands on guns and do that if they enter without going through a check through. Many drugs are illegal yet people still acquire them regularly. Thinking more control will stop it is naive to me. You either protect the schools like a fort, or I don’t know how else you can prevent it.

  98. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    Mike E. says:
    February 29, 2016 at 3:53 pm
    BTW – I don’t own a gun, but I do have an RPG launcher. I love it! lol
    Reply

    Mike E of New Jersey just popped up on the NSA, DHS, & FBI radar. Have fun with your governmental colonoscopy Mike! LOL

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