We’ve talked about it for a long time, in fact, some of us started talking about it before we drafted last year, in the 2015 NFL draft. It never stops. The NFL Draft, the place where dreams are either realized, or crushed. There is always hope, always, because where else can you bring in new, young talent, and the potential to bring in 8 or more new faces to your team in one weekend. This only happens with the NFL, and then after the draft, even more excitement is generated by the signing of players who went undrafted. Sometimes, a player who was expected to be a mid round pick falls completely off the draft board, or in last year’s case, a possible top 10 pick, like La’el Collins, who due to bizarre circumstances with a murder case he had no part in yet was being questioned by police, had all 32 teams wipe him right off their draft boards.
Tomorrow will begin the madness that is the 2016 NFL Draft. The Miami Dolphins currently hold 8 picks, starting from the #13 pick, #42, #73, #107, #147, #186, #227, and finally #231. There is no guarantee that the Dolphins will use all those picks to get 8 players, they may trade up early in the 1st RD and use 2 or 3 picks to accomplish that. They may trade back later in the into the 1st RD, and gain a couple of picks. There are so many angles from which to look at either strategy, and a case can be made for both, without either of them being necessarily wrong or right. For instance, supposedly, this draft plateaus from approximately pick #15 to pick #50, meaning the talent at #50 is nearly equal to the talent at #15. We pick at #13, right around that imaginary line, so would trading back to pick up a couple of extra players in that range be smart? Sure. If all the supposed blue chippers are in the top 10, does it not make sense to trade up and get a superior talent and a player with a greater chance of making a big impact on our team right now? Sure.
Whatever we do tomorrow, partly because of past failures, such as the Dion Jordan trade up to #3 in 2013, or just because of personal preferences, some of us will be angry at some of the selections we make, and yet others will be ecstatic. That’s how it is. I have to give all you guys/girls lots of credit for your dedication to the sport, and especially the entire draft process. I know many of you tirelessly watch college football to find potential for the Miami Dolphins, and others, like myself, who don’t watch college ball, scour as many scouting reports, watch highlight reels, record and watch the entire week of Senior Bowl practices and the game itself, the same with the NFL combine. The funny thing is, even the best of the best here, who really put in max effort, most likely don’t put in a fraction of the time our scouting staff put in, and our coaches and our GM put in. Granted, that’s their job, we do it for (fun?). Still, we should all probably just chill out with the negative feelings (I know I will have them), because these guys really did put in the effort to make the team better, and hopefully, it actually works.
I’m going to give you my picks for each round, without trade ups or trade downs, because those are just too hard to predict, it requires a lot of cooperation and desire from another team or two, and therefore, I’ll just do it straight up. This draft is not who I want for our team, it’s how I expect it to happen.
RD 1 – Pick #13 RB Ohio State – Ezekiel Elliott
First of all, let’s put that myth that if he’s elite, he’ll be gone by pick #10 nonsense, and if he’s not, he’ll be there. Great NFL players are chosen all over the place, and these selections are made by a few parameters, GRADE, NEED (at a certain position) and VALUE. Every team will have different metrics on those, and many teams obviously have different needs for both position, and the type of players they want to fill those positions. For example, while Vernon Hargreaves may be rated very high on most boards, a team that prefers bigger CB’s may not have him on their board early at all. So back to Elliott. He would most definitely be our best RB if he were to join our team.
Much has been made of Adam Gase’s use of a “running back by committee”. I think it’s only fair to look at each situation, and why that may have been. In Denver 2013, first off, Gase had Peyton Manning., who threw the ball 659 times for nearly 5500 yards. The Broncos drafted Montee Ball, and added him to a stable with Knowshown Moreno, Ronnie Hillman, and and CJ Anderson. Moreno carried the ball 241 times, more than double the carries Montee Ball got at 120 carries. Is that really a RB by committee? In 2014, again, Manning put up astronomical numbers, 597 pass attempts, over 4700 yards. With Knowshown Moreno out of the picture, and Montee ball fat and out of shape, and fumbling often, Gase had little choice to try and find the hot hand. CJ Anderson rushed 179 times, for 849 yards, and Ronnie Hillman 106 times, for 434. Keep in mind, Ronnie Hillman was the better 3rd down back, and most of his action was on 3rd down, but again, the RB by committee aspect doesn’t necessarily show up, because the talent just simply wasn’t there to earn the bulk of the carries.
In Chicago, 2015, Adam Gase had 30 YO Matt Forte, rookie Jeremy Langford, and 2nd YR RB Ka’Deem Carey. Just for some background, Forte has never really been a bellcow RB, the most carries he had in his career was his rookie season when had a high of 316 carries. He never broke 300 again, and has been slowly diminishing in carries the last few years, from 289 in ’13, to 266 in ’14, and last year 218. Langford carried 148 times, and Carey 43. Clearly, Forte was his best guy, but at 30 YO, he didn’t overwork him, and for the most part, Chicago’s offense was a disappointment, despite Jay Cutler playing at his most efficient, with 21 TD’s and only 11 INT’s. They sorely missed Brandon Marshall last season, and when Alshon Jeffery got hurt, that was it for this offense.
My point is, I don’t believe that Gase has a strategy to use his running backs nearly equally. I think he had to in Denver, out of necessity, and in Chicago, he didn’t want to burn out his 30 year old star in Matt Forte. Gase did say he wants a stable of RB’s, and I think that’s the responsible thing to do, considering what can happen if there’s a severe drop off in talent from your starter to your reserves. make no mistake, if we draft Ezekiel Elliott, he will clearly be our best RB, and we will use him as such. He will make a huge impact in our offense.
RD 2 – Pick #42 CB Houston – William Jackson III
We have a definite need at CB, no question about it, and we get the best we can in the 2nd RD. Jackson gives another 6 foot CB who can play both press and zone coverage. A good fit for what we’re looking for, Jackson will certainly be given every opportunity to start opposite Byron Maxwell.
RD 3 – Pick #73 OG Stanford – Joshua Garnett
As much as we need a CB, we need to shore up the interior OL. We get the powerful OG Garnett from Stanford. Garnett also will be given every opportunity to start somewhere on the OL, most likely LG, to compete with vet Jermon Bushrod. That will leave a battle royale at RG, with Billy Turner, Jamil Douglas, and Kraig Urbik .
RD 4 – Pick #107 OLB Akron – Jatavis Brown
Excellent athletic player, with wheels (4.47 40). Driven, team oriented player, lunch pail type of guy. A little undersized at 5’11” 227, but a great guy to bring into the mix at OLB.
RD 5 – Pick #147 S Miami – Deon Bush
Bush is a physical player who likes to hit, and when he does, forces fumbles. Bush forced 5 fumbles in 2014. He can also go up and get the ball with his 39 1/2″vertical. Bush has only 4 INT’s in 4 years, along with 13 passes defensed. Could be a good player down the line.
RD 6 – Pick #186 CB Virginia – Maurice Canady
Canady brings another CB with size to the team. Not a physical player, but a player with talent that perhaps VJ can bring out.
RD 7 – Pick #227 DE Baylor – Shawn Oakman
Oakman is probably worth a flier in the 7th RD. he could easily end up off the team before the season, but maybe, the light goes on, and he becomes a player. I’d take tht chance this late in the game.
RD 7 – Pick #231 WR Illinois – Geronimo Allison
OK, so I really just want to scream Genonimo!!!!!! Do I take a chance and try to sign him after the draft? No way!!!
Finsmob Unleashed 
Tim
I could definitely see Apple being the pick. I won’t be excited about it, but I will certainly understand it.
Candy (ass) Apple sucks.
Okay this is from James Walker.
Morning take: The Dolphins have the No. 13 pick, which could be a tough spot depending on how the board plays out. They may have to make a trade up to increase their chances of landing an impact player.
So #13 is tough spot and no impact players will be there at #13, so I guess that means every team after us has no chance at an impact player either. It’s amazing how stupid you can sound when you’re trying to be dire towards the Dolphins without thinking things through. LOL
Different day same ole…From Walker. Go backs 2 months ago and he’s writing the same crap.
Eli Apple leaves me SMH. I would just about make the toilet before I chucked up. In fact, I will have a bucket sitting by the chair.
LMAO
I’d rather take no CBs in this draft, than to take Apple in the 1st.
GDP
Yessir, 8PM this evening EST
Apple has a lot of upside because he’s got all the tools including size at 6-1 200. He needs development but he fits our press scheme.
He can also make waffles. LOL
Yahoo Sports’ Charles Robinson reports the Saints like UCLA LB Myles Jack “quite a bit in spite of the knee concerns.”
This is great news for Jack, who has a realistic shot of being on the board when the Saints pick at No. 12.
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I think he’ll still be on the board when Miami picks after his declaration late yesterday. Supposedly a few teams ahead of the Phins took him off their board altogether.
Today is the day…..
I do feel Eli Apple is our guy…..
Happy Birthday to Bat’s wife, Linda!!!
Mike…I have Foxtel which is our main cable service and that supplies us with that bastion of crap known as ESPN. I usually have a draft tracker site open as well when the THs get to me I go look at that. Why they can’t have a civilized discussion is beyond me. Shouting over each other is what they excel at.
I can’t watch ESPN, it’s beyond annoying. I would put a golf club through my screen listening to Kiper, and I don’t even have any golf clubs. lol
LOL @ both of you and I agree.
Kiper barking and McShay just did a bong hit.
Tim, when I watched Apple play this past year, not much really jumped out at me as spectacular, infact at times I noticed mistakes & poor effort tackling.
But as you say, he fits a mold and can develop. But I just want a more sure thing over fitting a mold by an inch or by 10 lbs….lol
Instead of Apple @ #13, I’d be inclined to take WJ3 there or hope for Artie Burns in the 2nd, or if they feel that good about Burns, then take him @ #13….there’s no rules here, only ‘rights’ 🙂
Jackson has flaws too. All of the corners do.
I’ll root for whoever we pick. 🙂
An Apple a day keeps the TD’s away . . . .
Maycock has us taking Shaq Lawson
Ideally we can trade back pick up an extra 3rd round pick and take Jaylon Smith with that extra pick…
The guy that can’t raise his foot or even swing it out sideways. He’s got drop foot. Not sure it’s forever, but it’s a scary proposition right now that he’ll ever be 100%.
Feel bad for the kid.
That is why an extra pick would be a nice risk to take imo…
FU Blog @ announcement of Miami’s 1st pick
That’s about right…..
Guys who do this sort of thing are fucking moronic. You take it out on your TV? LOL
How about going into the kitchen and grab a few dishes and smash them. It’s cheaper than replacing your HD flat screen.
If you notice the screen is already broken before he breaks it more.
He threw something at it.
Maybe banging your head against the wall is the answer, because that’s where the problem lies anyway
LMAO!!! Absolutely!
I toss a rolled up pair of socks at my TV.
That’s way cheaper and less insane. LOL
That’s the soft approach. You still get the aggression out by winding up and hurling it as hard as you can, throwing your shoulder out of socket, but the Tele is still ok. 🙂
LOL, like throwing a wiffle ball.
Wow Tunsil is being sued by his stepfather for domestic abuse. The rumor is he defended his Mom and Stepdad is looking for a payday. SMH
Unbelievable, and pathetic
http://www.clarionledger.com/story/sports/college/ole-miss/2016/04/27/former-ole-miss-tackle-laremy-tunsil-being-sued-stepfather/83589304/
Latest headline: Zuckerberg Makes $4 Billion in an Afternoon…
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…and us sots will sit here & moan n groan about who the Dolphins pick….lol smh
Mike, it will suck if Ragland falls to the Jets.
Sure will, or the Bills.
Watching him pound our RBs into the ground because he’s a sloth with snail shoes. LOL
I see us as a possible trade partner with the Titans if say Stanley, Conklin, or maybe even Taylor are still on the board @ #13….or they may trade further up to make sure they get their OT.
Who is Taylor?
LMAO @ Tim “snail shoes”
LOL
Some crazy shit here.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock-draft
Miami Dolphins @MiamiDolphins 22m22 minutes ago
We have waived DB Damarr Aultman, WRs Tyler Davis and Robert Herron and DT Robert Thomas II. We have also released LB Terrell Manning.
Funny how most of CBS thinks we’re trading up for Zeke.
Doh!
serious idiot
Tim, Taylor Decker, he’s the huge OT that is said to be a 1st round pick.
Oh so now we refer to them by first name? LOL
Armando Salguero @ArmandoSalguero 27s28 seconds ago
Billy Turner, Kraig Urbik, Billy Turner currently vying for two starting jobs.
Yeah, and the 2 guys we draft too. lol
I guess we cloned Billy Turner. LOL
Also Bushrod, Douglas, some long-shots already on the roster, draftees and UDFAs, and possible vets who get cut.
Interesting story.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/04/28/a-vietnam-veteran-and-a-1960s-radical-met-on-a-bus-headed-for-khe-sanh-heres-what-happened/
Armando Salguero @ArmandoSalguero 4m4 minutes ago
Remember that Jermon Bushrod is still rehabbing and he expects to figure at OG when healthy. Jamil Douglas taking second-team snaps so far.
It’s April, Armando. LOL
It’s April 28th, Draft Day – 90% of the sheet they say now means nothing
Douglas isn’t getting cut. He’s going into year 2 of his rookie contract. He’s a cheap addition to hold & see if he develops further. I suspect he will. He’s very strong, just needs to get technique down.
Who said he’s getting cut? I wonder if he’ll continue to work at center as well?
I’m hearing that all 3 tackles could go top 10 which will shake things up a bit.
Decker may be the only OT that makes it past top 10.
Yep!
Tim wasn’t saying he’ll get cut. He was saying whoever we draft and then vets that are cut by other teams will all be in the mix
And for the 2nd time for no reason. LOL
MMQB’s Peter King was told there is “no way” Alabama C Ryan Kelly slips out of the top 20.
The Colts at No. 18 are a popular mock destination for Kelly, and it makes a lot of sense. Indy has to do a better job both protecting Andrew Luck and getting interior push in the running game, and Kelly could help in both regards.
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Damn, I was hoping maybe we could land him in 2nd depending on who we got in the 1st.
I’ve heard too many teams are high on him for that to happen.
Chris Perkins @chrisperk 44m44 minutes ago
#Dolphins waive WRs Damarr Aultman, Tyler Davis, Robert Herron, DT Robert Thomas, LB Terrell Manning.
Yeah, we know. 🙂
Hey some of us work for a living ya know! 😉
What work are ya doing Wyoming? Spackling walls?
I already posted that and nobody said boo. LOL
Tim, I’m sure Douglas will get some work @ C, but I’d like to see him developed as our LG. Urbik is the more experienced OC/OG, he might turn out to be a good low cost FA signing.
Agreed.
I’ve heard the Jags are really high on Floyd. This draft could be really unpredictable.
Floyd is really skinny, I’m a little leery of that. Not necessarily because of Dion FF, but some guys have trouble putting on weight, and he will get pushed around in the NFL if he can’t.
Wyo working.
Wearing his Dolphins colors proudly!
LOL, I noticed it after I clicked.
What!?! its draft day and there is no poll for who our day 1 pick will be!
Best wait till Piggy gets here, I’m poll challenged.
Ah ha! The reason I don’t see polls is a Firefox thing, I can see it with Safari.
Maybe your Firefox settings Tim. I have Firefox at home, and I have no problem seeing our polls, just problems creating them. lol
It probably is but I’m not sure what that setting would be. Any ideas peeps?
https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtl1/v/t1.0-9/13043638_1273450966003234_7160733600845390239_n.jpg?oh=a11cbef006f4882034cd6a658ae6a0b2&oe=57A06F1D
Tim
Not sure bud, I’m at work, and we use IE from 20 years ago. All the pictures you people post show up as stick figures. I can look when I get home
I just looked around and I’m not sure what would not allow it.
Former NFL executive Greg Gabriel claims the “feeling” around the NFL is the Cowboys will select Ohio State RB Ezekiel Elliott.
“The head coach is pushing hard for that pick,” Gabriel claims. We think it sounds more like a Jerry Jones pick, selecting the splash player who will post production despite last year’s average running backs look at least adequate behind the Cowboys’ line. All along it has been assumed the Cowboys’ top prospect is Jalen Ramsey, but the Cowboys have been known to pull an audible on draft day despite what the board tells them.
We can only hope!
These voluntary workouts mean nothing
It’s more of a let’s see where everyone’s at, meet the new coaches etc. Other than that not much gets accomplished. Gase said they water things down quite a bit so guys don’t get tangled up etc.
Tim
It might have something to do with your javascript settings. I would guess that’s the problem, because I would think the polls are a javascript function. I’m no expert though, and I could be way off.
See if you can allow javascript functions on this site. Maybe it will work, who knows?
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 24m24 minutes ago
Cowboys’ G Ronald Leary signed his RFA second-round tender in hopes to facilitate trade this weekend, per source.
New Poll up for you demanding fuckfaces
Can I be a pig and ask for a poll of who we WANT to be picked?
Nice poll Piggy, Shaq Lawson or another OL. lol
in case you thought Shaq Lawson was a guard….
ProfessorLou @UolRosseforp · 1m1 minute ago
Happy Dion Jordan apply for reinstatement day!!!
He has some former team mates on this team that just might get him back and on track along with better coaching and proper use…..who knows what can happen it is not too late.
rumors are heating up that a booger problem won’t even be there at #13. We’ll have to move up to get it.
problem = probably. lame joke anyway.
Mayock does his one and only Mock
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/mock-drafts/mike-mayock/326209
Has us with — SHAQ LAWSON DE CLEMSON
And if that has been posted before……then it has.
Mike E. says:
April 28, 2016 at 10:22 am (Edit)
Maycock has us taking Shaq Lawson
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I didn’t post the whole draft though, so no beer necessary. 🙂
Lets set the rules…….beers on such are at least more like the five-second rule, or maybe five minute. Two hours before at least don’t count. 🙂
See a booger got more votes than Zeke! 🙂
The booger got eaten by Cruz.
LOL
Dion FF will party like it’s 2014 if he gets reinstated today.
I posted your version of the a poll Mike
So new poll up
who do you WANT to draft
But you sir, are no pig!
Woohoo
Time to celebrate Jordan reinstatement day!
Who wants one!
CELEBRATION!!!!
Thanks Piggy – I’m guessing I should take that as a slap, yes?
No take it as if he is saying you are a technology retard….
🙂
Markeyh
One of your posts from yesterday (with a lot of links) didn’t go through because of the links
But I approved it today
feel free to repost it if you want
Some times when posts with a lot of links are posted
Its gets caught by our spam guard and an administrator has to physically approve it
I didn’t catch it until today
No problem I noticed it and just condensed it…..thanks
Those comments Jack made about himself made me pretty much not want to take a shot on him in the first. If you quote someone, they better have said it or you will get a nice big fucking lawsuit, so i cant see someone publishing an article with direct quotes and it not be what he said. I wouldnt risk my first round pick on a guy who says that his knee really is in that condition and that he might only have 3 years….but thats a decent career in the NFL…WTF. The one person supposed to be most positive about his situation is him, thats just pretty scary.
It’s similar to Clowney.
He’s factually accurate
I wouldn’t overstate the importance of one statement
I once said “sdjflksdjflkdj;kfdjakj;kjk” and I didn’t really mean it
If he is factually accurate you want to use our first round pick on a guy who is out of the league in 3 years?
I’m leaning Shaq Lawson. If we have a fierce pass rush and can set the edge, then life will be easier for our LB’s & secondary.
Id take Lawson as a backup to Hargreaves. Again, the depth of the draft at DE means if we go CB/DE instead of DE/CB we will be winding up with higher combined player rating and that should equate to having to better selections. Hell even DE in the 3rd will be a guy who at very least is a this year rotational guy, if not a split time guy.
Who voted for the white horse from History of the World part 1?
Jordan was eligible to apply for reinstatement 60 days prior to today. Nobody knows if he did. If he did, we should know quickly enough if he’s reinstated. So, he didn’t need to wait until today to apply. Interesting.
Would be ridiculous if he sat on it
He’s been busy partying. Still has a couple thousand left.
Why isn’t Bobby Boucher on the draft poll? I thought he displayed 1st round talent after watching his film.
Consensus number 1 overall, we dont have a shot at him.
apologies if this got posted before…
http://playmakermentality.com/10-draft-prospects-10-scouting-reports
That was awesome
LOL
D
I mean don’t assume he will be out of the league in 3 years bc he said it
assume his PR skills suck….lol
he’s factually accurate in saying most NFL careers don’t last long
I’m sure Chris Borland said all the right things before he retired early and it didn’t make a difference.
I don’t really think guys come into the draft planning when they retire or not
But who knows, they probably get all kinds of advice and I’m sure their are people around them talking about a short career vs the risk of concussions and injury
Its a different world today
Players and young players are evaluating risks
He probably should not have spoken so freely about it
Jaylon Smith for instance insured himself when he decided to stay in Notre Dame for another year
and that’s a really smart move
Ifo also insured himself and he collects even if he doesn’t play
These guys are humans
They are all thinking what Jack said
They might not say it to GMs and teams – but they know injury is a serious risk
Those examples though Piggy are of two other guys who were 1st round predictions, one that wound up being taken in the 7th and another one that likely gets taken middle to late as well. Comparing them to him really says, dont draft me in the 1st, take me where the risk meets the reward. I hope we dont take him at this point i think we need some homerun picks this year and if he doesn’t pan out, its back to the head scratching and bitchfest about drafting broken players.
Tim Knight says:
April 28, 2016 at 10:39 am
Wow Tunsil is being sued by his stepfather for domestic abuse. The rumor is he defended his Mom and Stepdad is looking for a payday. SMH
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yeah i reported that a while back when people were saying Tunsil had some off field stuff. I went to a site that tracks player arrests and he actually was issues a citation for it but everything was dropped. His step-dad beat the crap out of his mom and he went and gave him some big man beat down.
Yeah his stepdad is a piece of shit.
sb7mvp, funny stuff from Caleb.
Truth is no matter what they do today many of us will love the pick….JMHO
Hope so. It might have to grow on some of us though.
Best thing is who ever the pick is, they better get on the field right away and show some long term starter capabilities.
LOL @ Fiorina being named running mate with Cruz…where are they running to? smh
Their goal is to stop Trump he has about 50% of the delegates he need so they want to stop him from getting 100% of what he needs and force a showdown at the convention…get your popcorn ready 🙂
It’s nuts that the ‘establishment’ GOP is so dead set against Trump. That’s a great sign for america…IMO.
BTW, Trump has broken all records, now has more GOP votes than Romney did by far. Yet the crooked cabal wants him gone so he doesn’t break up their lil shell game they’ve been running for a long time…..lol
DE’s are very good and deep in this draft IMO
They are to a point, maybe 1st thru 2nd, possibly early 3rd depending what type of defense you run.
I can see some late round players that would fit well on our roster to develop and play behind our veteran D-Line.
Yeah, but we seem to already have enough of that with Fede, Moore, McCain, maybe if Jordan is back.
I want a young stud that’ll be the man by 2017, but play significant snaps this year!
Shaq Lawson is only 21, he’s got nowhere to go but up. I like Dodd & Ogbah too.
…Oops, forgot Laing. Would be great if he becomes the next Wake. 🙂
Rather we address more pressing needs early like CB, RB. OT/OG
I do have them taking @ #42 Shilique Calhoun http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/shilique-calhoun?id=2555294
https://www.nfl.com/now?icampaign=nflnow-hp_traffic_driver NFL Now has the draft coverage on the internet.
Please post that later around 8pm, thanks.
Mando is so fixated on this idea that we must draft a CB in the first
I would prefer a CB int he 1st as well
but the draft doesn’t work like that
its not 1 position or bust
that’s not a good approach to the draft
I am really hoping VH3 falls to us
and I’m a huge fan of Alexander but people will call him a reach at #13 – you won’t hear any negative oinks about taking him at 13 from me
I like WJ3 better than Alexander!
But WTF do I know? 😉
for our system i agree with this.
Piggy Alexander and VH3 are probably on similar levels as far as how well they would be in the system that best fits them. I think VH3 is a good cover corner, but he is more press-zone, really physical and aggressive, great timing jumping routes from zone, just for what we are planning to do, he’s about perfect.Its not always about how big a dude is, but how skilled he plays that style, i dont think we can do better than him.
Alexander though in a more man cover system, off man system, is going to be pretty close to same fit. So for me, when not having Alexander ranked as high as a few of the other guys, its isnt so much about how good he is but more so about how well he fits us.
A guy like Artie Burns could be just as good as VH3, WJ3, & Alexander, then there’s Apple, Fuller, Sean Davis, Jalen Mills….
GDP i know ya love burns, but he isnt as good as VH3 or WJ3. The kid is pretty damn raw. I like him about on the same level as Eli Apple.
Ok, if you say so….
Then why isnt he even considered in any mock out there in the first round….
I was speaking in context of the ongoing convo of this particular thread about not necessarily needing to draft a CB in the 1st. I’m ok with one in the 2nd or 3rd.
BTW, I’ve seen several mocks have Burns going in the back half of the 1st round to playoff teams.
Biggest smokescreen is Dallas taking *Ezekiel Elliott at 4
I dont think so, with their OL, brutal, they could put a cardboard cutout back there for QB and still get shit done behind their OL and with talented RB.
They have both McFadden & Morris why would they waste a pick on another RB?
I like quite a few prospects in this draft so there is a good chance I’ll like our 1st rd pick. I may not love it or like how we got it if we trade up or down, but it would take a real bizarre pick to piss me off, like a QB or a K or a big time reach.
Lol and with the 13th pick, the Miami Dolphins take….. Conner Cook…..
That would have me go into the kitchen, grab a few dishes, go outside and smash them on my patio. LOL
One mock had Miami taking a K with our 3rd round pick…(smh)
Armando still speaking from his perch like he’s a GM – giving the team direction. LOL
We may very well go CB but it doesn’t have to be 1st rd.
I know you may not like how Mando said it but I think he is right. We go into the season with this crop of CBs and it will be a long season. That’s why I think Hargreaves is our pick.
It’s the way he says stuff. You can get corners in other rounds too. I’m not sold that Hargreaves is the guy or that he’ll be there.
Markeyh, Calhoun worries me unless he’s in the 3rd rd or beyond. Heck even that NFL profile link you had wasn’t that glowing of him, at least not in our base 4-3…IMO.
That’s M13’s guy.
So, I’d tell him the same thing…lol
So GDP you advocate drafting Burns at 13?
Up above I was speaking in context of the ongoing convo of that particular thread about not necessarily needing to draft a CB in the 1st. I’m ok with one in the 2nd or 3rd.
BTW, I’ve seen several mocks have Burns going in the back half of the 1st round to playoff teams.
If Grier & Tbomb felt he was their target if they missed on WJ3 earlier, then so beit, I wouldn’t be overly upset with him @ #13 if they think he can come out and play for the starting role opposite Maxwell, which I think he can, even if he’s taken in the 2nd rd by us. but he could be gone by then too….
Thats different than him being as good as those guys. I am not saying he isnt good enough to take, but im not taking him over VH3 or WJ3 and you seem to indicate he’s just as good, its just not true.
D
I AM a technology retard, and I’m also old. Bad combo
Tell me the truth….you are secretly afraid all this new-fangled technology is all going to turn into robot spiders and start spraying people with acid arent you….
No, I just don’t follow instructions well. Like an ADD issue
SQUIRREL!….wait not thats Tim.
I think if we go CB in the first it will be because the right guy was there. If the right guy is there (and in this case i think thats VH3, or WJ3) they make the selection to take a CB, otheriwse i think they will grab a stud player, potentially an OL or DE, with an outside chance it winds up being a LB.
So many directions we can go. This team has so many holes
I’m going to throw my remote at GDP if we take Artie Burns at #13
Im going to be pissed if we take him when we could have had WJ3 or VH3, no matter when the selection is made.
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I hope he slips to #42. That would be outstanding!
I agree let him slip to 42…..
VJ3 is off my board even if he were at 13 he is to small IMO….that is why I have Eli Apple as my 13th pick
VH3 that is….
I have heard a number of people saying we will take Apple.
If its true they truly prize size, then yeah that makes more sense, VH3 though plays more aggressive. He plays bigger than he is, and im not sure a couple inches in height really should outweigh play skill. I dont think they are as hung up on size and some of us are.
VH3 is like Brent Grimes size he will get abused unless we use him in the slot and his speed did not impress me to be in the slot.
The people who say we go with Apple have VH3 already off the board by our pick. It was on NFL Radio and I don’t remember who the panel was that was talking about it.
I don’t think you select a CB in the first if there is another player you think helps your defense more or helps your team more
I think that point of view is judgment on paper and not the way the game is played
I don’t love our cbs
But this idea of take a CB in the 1st or else
Is amateurish on Mandos part IMO
And I want to take a CB at 13
I just think plugging in roster spots with names you think are good football players is is not the way the game works
Problem is for us I see so many holes that we can go in a number of directions in round 1 and Mando’s comment be equally applicable to LB, OL or CB. or RB
CB is probably he biggest hole on paper
We can rationalize young guys at OG
We can get a RB mid rounds
You can argue we upgraded at LB already (I wouldn’t)
So I think CB is the biggest need
But I think you go to the draft with your biggest needs (plural) in mind and hope the bpa fits one of those needs
Not look at 1 position and say we must draft that position in the first
That’s a great way to get the worst player in round 1
I think they can do both take a CB who happens to rank close to where we are drafting. That is BPA + Position of need fulfilled. Win/Win
The BPA may be a CB
So it’s possible
I personally have VH3 and Alexander as top 10 talent
But I don’t have the next couple of guys (Jackson and apple) as top 20
SB
That playmakers post a little while ago was great! Thanks!
I do t care about VH3 size
I don’t care what system we want to play or that we want lengthy cbs
Vh3 is the best CB in this draft
And Alexander is really a close 2nd
The difference between those 2 guys and the next tier IMO is pretty dramatic
I would probably go Jackson 3rd best but I don’t really like smaller school, lesser conference guys so early in the draft
Eli Apple?
Well he’s got the height
But I think his skills are significantly less than VH3 and Alexander
The idea that we might draft a guy for our current system bothers me
I would rather draft on pure talent
The way this team has been the last few years
We change systems like the wind changes directions
We want big CBA this year…I guess we do
But last offseason it didn’t matter
It would be silly to draft a taller CB just bc he’s taller and we want taller cbs in the first round
You can draft for a system later in the draft
You can do it in free agency
But in the 1st round – draft for talent
Just my .02
After seeing our pro bowl CB small but talented get abused last year by Brandon Marshall and others we need to build a defense to stop our opponents top WR’s and like it our not VH3 at 5′-10″ at best is just not that guy IMO.
There are smaller cbs in this league who have been very good consistently and there are bigger cbs who are always in the verge of being cut
If the CB is talented
He just is
And that’s the guy that is better for us
VH3 and Alexander are both under 6’0
But they can play CB in the NFL
Grimes was wrestling with Father Time
Not just size
Actually that’s not true at all. I listen to NFL Radio a lot, especially Bill Polian, who I respect a lot, and he said when you have parameters, such as height, weight, 40 times, 10 second splits, whatever it may be, you stick to them through and through. He said, and he quotes Bill Parcells on this, “Once you make an exception to your rules, you have a team full of exceptions”.
Of course, we have no idea what Gase or Greer’s parameters are, but you can bet they will stick to them if they have any
would that team be a team full of exceptional talent?
I don’t really know what GMs to behind the scenes
but I know that many GMs have missed and drafted busts based on self imposed parameters
if you walk away from the draft with the best talent….how is that not a success
D, I said Burns could turn out to be as good as VH3 & WJ3. Burns played on a bad team with a huge coaching shakeup, yet still managed to show some nice skills. His size is better than VH3 (whom I still like) & he’s better more physical than Apple or WJ3(whom I like also)…IMO.
I’m looking for fit, not so much who’s got the best 40 or best mock grades.
Cute, but it’s all Trump with a record amount of GOP votes, way more than Romney ever had and Romney was the nominee.
2016
the year we confirmed all hope in humanity is lost
Sign design by piggy
LOL is that real or photo shopped?
Least from what I read there is some guy who made those signs and is putting them up……so by all reports real.
Piggy
All that being said, I agree you wouldn’t take a less talented prospect that fits your position of need , you’d move on to a better prospect that does meet your criteria at a different position.
Artie Burns;
Don’t let Burns’ track background fool you, he’s a legitimate NFL prospect with the upside to warrant early-round consideration and clear determination to succeed. He’s at his best in press man coverage, using his length, aggression and speed to harass wideouts on the perimeter and has the ball skills to punish quarterbacks who challenge him.
Oh & he ran a 4.46 & 4.42 & led the ACC with 6 INT’s for those keeping score at home.
Piggy:
I agree when we have so many holes go BPA because BPA is likely to be an area of need. I do think 13 is about the right window for VH3 and or Alexander. It may be high for Apple but I do like Apple, just don’t think he is BPA at 13.
I think Apple benefitted from a great Buckeye defense around him. The front 7 pressure makes a secondary’s job much more easier.
That’s why I’m on board with a stud DE early.
Can’t have too many stud DEs imo.
We have a top 10 defensive front and we NEED a CB more than anything they went after 6′-1″ Maxwell for a reason in the trade. They have a height they are looking for at the CB spot and I can almost assure you any CB taken will be tall 6′ or better IMO.
I personally would prefer Burns to Apple, but neither at pick 13.
If you miss or don’t want to take VH3 or Alexander
then maybe the 2nd round is where you get your CB
Screw it. If they’re stupid enough to trade back up into the top 10 after trading out of it(you know, that top 10 that wasn’t a big deal when we gave up #8) then blow your wad and trade all the way up to number 3 and take whomever you want after the top 2 QBs are gone! I mean, they say you never go full idiot(changed the word)…but I say if you’re gonna think like an idiot…go all the way. Go full on idiot!
I agree with you trade up for Ramsey if they are trading up…..
Is it too late to trade for Richie Incognito?
All hope in humanity is lost?
Piggy, you take this Trumping too serious. You rather one of the crooks or longtime establishment lying hacks to win? Then you’ll likely get your all humanity lost scenario in short order….the other candidates on both sides of the aisle are just a continuation of Bush & BO 2.0’s…just sayin.
No matter the Democrats will win it again, I can’t believe after 7 years of Obama they had no serious contenders to stand up and go for the office and now Donald Trump will represent them and get creamed in the general….JMO
I’m not a Trump fan, but to think he’ll make America worse compared to the jerks and idiots who run things now, I’m not buying that.
My guess is Grier and Tannenbaum are very similar to Parcells with prototypes for prospects.
Piggy
Polian went into great detail, citing specific situations. It really was extremely interesting to me, hearing it directly from the source you know is accurate, that if a WR ran a 4.6 or higher, they were off the board. Same for CB’s. Then there were the DE’s, they had to be really fast, they wanted smaller faster players in Indy, and they wouldn’t take a big slow guy no matter how talented. They stuck to their criteria very strictly. Once again, we don’t know what Gase and Grier’s parameters are, but my guess is we’ll have a better idea after this draft, and the next one.
pay attention to the free agent signings let 6′-2 Olivier walk and sign 6′-5″ Williams and Branch…..they are preaching Bigger, stronger They signed CB 6′-1″ Byron Maxwell it is obvious to me. I could be wrong but so far that is the direction they are going.
but Williams is just better than Olivier IMO
Maybe we are going big
I’m not a huge fan f strict parameters
remember this shit as kids
fuck that!
Markeyh, what do you think of Sean Davis? I really been touting the cat over here for awhile. He’s gone from like a 5th rd prospect pre-combines to now a 2nd or 3rd.
He’s in the mold of Ramsey, can play both CB & FS. Hits like a truck, can track the ball well.
Her would be a nice pickup in the 3rd if we pass on CB in the 1st
BTW
CBS who I respect in terms of rankings
has this raking at CB
Hargreaves (10)
Jackson (19)
Apple (20)
Alexander (28)
and then its
Fuller (53)
Sean Davis (60) – GDP will hate this, this guy shot up the boards
Burns (66)
Howard (75)
Mills (91)
Redmond (100)
Fuller is off a lot of radars but he would not be a horrible ick in the 2nd
Redmond is not a bad pick int he 3rd round
one of my favorite prospects is DJ White (136)
and Zack Sanchez (138) is right behind him
I like Alexander a lot more than most
Pig,
I’m actually higher on a lot of the small school guys at CB this year. Dieondre Hall, Harlan Miller, James Bradberry etc. I also like a player like Eric Murray from Minn.
Cannady, Calhoun….plenty of guys who are available later.
Calhoun is an undersized DE in a 4-3 so he needs to pack on some weight. He only goes 251 right now.
Are you calling Minn a small school?
I don’t think of a Big 10 school as a small school
I’m fine with smaller schools late
but if you are talking about immediate production
there is usually a connection with big school, big conference and big competition and an immediate impact in the NFL
a few of the better rafting teams in the NFL have stayed away from small schools
There are always good players at smaller schools but they are a little riskier
the jump from college to the NFL is tough enough
from and small school in a lesser known conference its a bigger jump
I’m not saying small school prospects suck
but the odds are tougher to beat
Murray was a seperate sentence than the small school guys. What I’m getting at is, IMHO, after VH, WJ, perhaps MA everyone is more of a developmental prospect and I would pick up higher ranked players at other positions vs reaching as there’s talent that you can get later at CB to develop.
Randy, we traded down to add two players. Trading back up has nothing to do with the other. It’s not like they said oh shit, we fucked up and now we’re trying to correct it. It’s about adding players you want, not how you did it or with what picks etc.
Also
Mackenzie Alexander is made of Toots Super Glue
Except his hands😆
they are made of Toots QB repellant
“Don’t even try to throw it this way”